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Sarah (00:00):
It's an awful looking sun. It's like. Hey, maniacs.

Mark (00:19):
Hey, mystery maniacs.

Sarah (00:21):
Hey, do I sound different? No. Why? Because I'm
50 now.

Mark (00:26):
Sarah had a birthday yesterday.

Sarah (00:29):
May. It's official, I'm over the hill.

Mark (00:34):
No you're not. I wasn't like this when I turned 50. A
decade ago.

Sarah (00:42):
Because dudes get better as they get older. That's how it
works. Mystery Maniacs is acomedy recap podcast of Mystery
TV. Each week we pick an episodeof a show and talk about the
loonies, the mayhem, the murder,and everything else we love. I'm
Sarah.

Mark (00:59):
And I'm Mark. And this week we're covering Brokenwood
Mysteries Dead and Buried seasonsix episode four. The last
season with only four episodes.

Sarah (01:09):
Yeah.

Mark (01:09):
All the rest of the seasons have six episodes.

Sarah (01:13):
And it's the return of Trudy.

Mark (01:14):
The return of Trudy after three years. So this is a
spoiler podcast. We're gonnatalk about who did it and when
and all that good stuff. We havelots to talk about. And if you
let your kids go visit thewomen's prison to see the
passion play, they can listen tothe podcast.

Sarah (01:32):
That's probably pretty accurate. Yeah. Before we dive
in

Mark (01:37):
Oh my gosh.

Sarah (01:38):
There's some exciting TV stuff going So

Mark (01:41):
much to talk about. First of all, Agatha has been AI'd.

Sarah (01:45):
Agatha Christie has been AI'd by the BBC and And the
Christie estate.

Mark (01:50):
The Christie estate. They have launched a educational
program on their platform foreducation called Maestro. It's
about how to write mysteries.

Sarah (02:01):
But it's taught by AI Agatha Christie.

Mark (02:04):
And it's so there's an actress and that actress must
have had a green screen mask onand then they put Agatha
Christie's face on her.

Sarah (02:15):
But they generated the content based on all the things
that Christie said about writingduring her lifetime.

Mark (02:21):
Yes.

Sarah (02:22):
I nah.

Mark (02:24):
If this is not prohibitively expensive, I think
I may take this just to see howweird it is.

Sarah (02:30):
You know, I was thinking about this the other day and
take or leave AI, people havestrong opinions about it,
whatever. But I was thinkingabout this the other day, stuff
like this kind of like, it kindof creeps me out, puts me off.
It's like, okay, that's too fareven for me and I'm kind of into
AI stuff. But then I wasthinking, you know, there are so

(02:51):
many shows that we really likethe first season of and there
was never another season. And ifyou could just hit a button and
it would generate a secondseason of that

Mark (03:02):
show No.

Sarah (03:03):
I might give it a shot.

Mark (03:04):
No. No. I'm sorry. No.

Sarah (03:07):
If it was if it worked, if it was well done, I might
give it a shot.

Mark (03:11):
No. It's not creating anything new. I'm sorry. It's
all derivative.

Sarah (03:17):
I know.

Mark (03:18):
Which makes an education course make sense.

Sarah (03:20):
Yeah. Because it's not novel content. Right?

Mark (03:23):
I am okay with this because the estate is involved.
Okay?

Sarah (03:27):
Yeah.

Mark (03:28):
If the estate was not involved, I would not be

Sarah (03:31):
It wouldn't be happening.

Mark (03:32):
I am definitely not okay with this with anybody who's
living.

Sarah (03:35):
Oh, so they can't do it with Stephen King?
No. No. Nobody wants AI Stephen He's
strange enough looking as it is.

Mark (03:44):
AI Stephen King is right out. In other news But I think
it's interesting.

Sarah (03:50):
There's a couple of shows that are coming out in the next
month that we are super excitedabout. The first one is
department q. It's on Netflix.It's coming out at the May.
Department q is based on aseries of books by UC Adler
Olsen with the detective KarlMolk.
They're Scandinavian, the booksare, but the TV show is set in

(04:13):
in The UK.

Mark (04:15):
Starring Matthew Good.

Sarah (04:16):
And I'm super excited. Now they did do like made for TV
kind of movies of the books.Yes. Actually set

Mark (04:25):
in Which are really good. Books are fantastic.

Sarah (04:28):
They're so good. They're they're not cozies but the
characters are so fun and

Mark (04:36):
The plots are so intricate.

Sarah (04:38):
Yeah. But they do have dark kind of intricate plots. I
mean, they're Scandinavian. Butthey're not heavy noir. They do
have a sense of humor.
Yes. And the other show we'reexcited about that's coming out
in the next month is ArtDetective. And that's coming out
the June on Acorn.

Mark (04:55):
And on Netflix. Moore stars it.

Sarah (04:58):
Who was the vampire in the oh, what is it? Blood Again
or

Mark (05:04):
No. Twice the HBO vampire

Sarah (05:08):
Southern vampire Yeah. Whatever that is called, people
will know what we're talkingabout or they won't. And it's
about an art detective who getskinda stuck solving more major
True Blood. True Blood. That wasit.
He was the vampire in TrueBlood. So it looks it looks
super good. We also learnedrecently that they're remaking

(05:29):
Bergerac.

Mark (05:30):
No. They've remade it. Season one's already out.

Sarah (05:32):
Oh, it's already out.

Mark (05:33):
But we don't have season one and they've renewed it for
season

Sarah (05:36):
And Shakespeare and Hathaway season five is in
production right now.

Mark (05:42):
Yes. It was cancelled, but then it has been renewed. It's
come back from the dead. And Ihope they make lots of jokes
about that. But this is not thebiggest piece of midsummer news
we got this week, which was afamiliar face will be playing
Barnaby on stage.

Sarah (06:01):
Yeah, Daniel Casey.

Mark (06:02):
Yeah. So what do you think

Sarah (06:04):
about And stage play. Oh, think it's gonna be great.

Mark (06:07):
I think it's exactly what they needed.

Sarah (06:10):
Yeah.

Mark (06:10):
I don't know He'll be a great draw. Do the audience
participation things that wesuggest.

Sarah (06:17):
Should we write them and say, okay, we've got an idea.
Have you seen Rocky Horror? It'skinda like that. Again,

Mark (06:28):
if you are going to go see this in The UK, we want you. We
need, we've had offers ofcourse.

Sarah (06:40):
We already got a few people who bought tickets
already.

Mark (06:43):
They bought tickets already. If you're willing to
come on the show, we're willingto have you and talk about

Sarah (06:49):
what
you

Mark (06:49):
We

Sarah (06:49):
want to hear
all about it.

Mark (06:52):
Absolutely. We want to hear every single thing about
it.

Sarah (06:55):
Did you have to wear a pawn show?

Mark (06:57):
And if you wear your maniac shirt, extra points.

Sarah (07:01):
To the show? Yep.
If you wear one that you already have, we'll send you
another one. How about that? Ofyour choice. Yeah. Oh, I forgot
to tell you.
So now that this semester haswound down, I have a little bit
of breathing room. And one ofthe things I've been doing when

(07:21):
I have a little bit of time atwork while I'm waiting for a
meeting or something is I'mworking on a new two new
designs.

Mark (07:28):
Okay.

Sarah (07:28):
Excellent. For t shirts, broken wood ones. One is a
lineup of Mike and Sims andBreen and the other sergeant,
the other detective constable.What's his name? The new one.

Mark (07:41):
I don't know.

Sarah (07:42):
Anyway, standing next to each other, and they're just
generic figures, but they looklike them. It's hard to
describe. They don't have facialfeatures. It's like that. And
the other one is Frodo leaningout his truck, and it has all
the things that like Frodo dogcrossed out, ice cream Frodo ice
cream crossed out.

(08:02):
And now because of seasoneleven, one of the things that
they've been doing is puttingfunny messages on the front of
the truck.

Mark (08:11):
If you are not watching the front of Frodo's truck, you
are missing out.

Sarah (08:14):
You're missing out. So I'm gonna add those to it too.
So hopefully by the end of themonth, I'll have those up on the
shop and people can grab them

Mark (08:23):
as

Sarah (08:23):
sticker or

Mark (08:23):
a t shirt. And that also reminds us that we're doing
minis for season eleven. Yes.Including one we released last
week called My Dear Sweet Frodo.And there's a reason it's fro
dough.

Sarah (08:37):
Oh, thought you like hiccuped in the middle. Was
getting ready to say do want todo that one again? No. But
that's what you meant.

Mark (08:42):
My dear sweet fro dough. Dough. And They've been

Sarah (08:46):
hitting it out of the park with season eleven.

Mark (08:48):
Yep. And this week's episode is entitled, strangely
enough, whatever happened toginger ranger. Yeah. And that'll
be released today so you'll haveit in your queue already.

Sarah (09:01):
If you're listening to this, it's already out.

Mark (09:04):
Yes. Alright. And there's three more episodes including
the Odes family reunion orsomething. Oh, it's gonna be so
good.

Sarah (09:13):
And then last, before we dive in, I just have to mention
this. So one of our longtimelisteners, Miriam, emailed us to
say that her four year oldnephew Yep. Listened to our
episode with her where Imentioned Bobbert.

Mark (09:31):
Yes.

Sarah (09:32):
And apparently, he got quite into saying Bobbert, and
she sent us a little video ofhim saying Bobbert, Bobbert,
Bobbert, Bobbert.

Mark (09:39):
It's very cute. I played it for Mo Yep.

Sarah (09:43):
Who is my co co Bobbert conspirator here in the house.
We were laughing. There weremany high fives. We were like,
one more infected with theBobbert. Thank you so much for
sharing it with us.
It
was so cute.
Had toast using toast.

Mark (10:02):
Okay. Original air date, the 12/01/2019, written by Katie
Wolf. This is definitely awomen's story and a women's
point of view. How would youknow? Because it deals with
things that are

Sarah (10:17):
women. I agree. I was just poking at you.
And Like, would you know it if you saw it?
How would you recognize it?

Mark (10:24):
Written by Tim Baum. The first thing I want to talk about
is this prison needs a new sign.Because wow, the piece of
cardboard they have printed on,stick it on the side of the road
is not good enough.

Sarah (10:41):
Let's just talk about the fact that it's Brokenwood
Women's Prison. Okay? Thisshould not exist. Brokenwood is

Mark (10:50):
None of these people should be here.

Sarah (10:52):
Okay. Wait though. Brokenwood is a little place.
That's the whole point. Right?
Yes. Mike went from the bigsmoke to the little town.

Mark (11:00):
It's three hours away and it makes your hair go a
different way.

Sarah (11:04):
And decided to stay there. So I was like, is this is
this actually a jail? Like, wehave federal prisons and state
prisons in The United States.And county prisons. And well we
have county jails.

Mark (11:17):
County jails. Right. Sorry.

Sarah (11:18):
And they're different sizes. Right? But if you are a
murderer, you are in federalprison. Yes. More than likely.
But in New Zealand, all of NewZealand, both islands, there are
three women's prisons.

Mark (11:33):
Three? Okay so Brokenwood No,

Sarah (11:36):
no, Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch and between
Which

Mark (11:39):
are the three largest cities.

Sarah (11:41):
Between the three of them in March of twenty twenty five,
how many women do you think werein prison in New Zealand? Three
prisons.

Mark (11:48):
Let's go four and fifty, a 50 each.

Sarah (11:51):
781.

Mark (11:53):
That's fantastic. It's so small. I think that's

Sarah (11:58):
And this prison in Brokenwood though we only meet
six inmates probably has 50

Mark (12:04):
Yes.

Sarah (12:05):
By the size of it. Yes. I think they try to excuse it by
saying it's a privately runprison. I don't know what that's
supposed to mean Because NewZealand doesn't have the
equivalent of state and federalprisons. It's just federal.
Yeah. It's all federal.

Mark (12:21):
When you have a centralized government who works
efficiently, what do you know?

Sarah (12:25):
What do you know?

Mark (12:26):
What do you know?

Sarah (12:28):
This superintendent with her four inch heels. Yes,
Angela. Angela Lafferty. I'm allabout like rehabilitation and
treating people like people andnot like just the crime. Yeah.
But she's a little much. LikeI'm sure any prison

(12:51):
superintendent probably getsmore than their fair steps in
during the day. Can you reallydo it in four inch heels all
day? Would you want to?

Mark (12:59):
I I don't know. And what does she do all day with six
people in the

Sarah (13:04):
We have to assume there are others.

Mark (13:06):
I got it. So so her office is an oasis.

Sarah (13:12):
Yeah. It's something.

Mark (13:14):
So I don't know if I've ever told you this story before
but when I was, I probably was14, 15. Because it was before I
was working on a regular basisand I was doing a lot of odd
jobs Mhmm. In the summer to getmoney to do stuff. And this
couple up at the lake asked meif I'm a little

Sarah (13:33):
worried about where this is going. They

Mark (13:38):
asked me if I could go home with them for a week Oh,
this is worse. Paint the outsideof their house.

Sarah (13:44):
And your parents said, yes he can. Yes. They sent you
on your way, right?

Mark (13:47):
Of course they did.

Sarah (13:49):
We've never met you. We don't know you or where you live
or your phone number No, theybut please take our child
because that's what your parents

Mark (13:55):
were They had a permanent campsite up the lake.

Sarah (13:58):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mark (13:59):
But this is long like

Sarah (14:01):
But they only knew their lake personas. Yeah. They had no
idea what they were like backhome.

Mark (14:07):
So their entire living room had these Hawaiian
pictures, floor to ceiling Likewallpaper or

Sarah (14:18):
wallpaper. Okay.

Mark (14:19):
On every wall of their living room. With a tiki bar.
Wow. And like the little beadedcurtains between every room. Did
you stay with them?
I stayed with them. Thankgoodness I brought a lot of
books because after I was donepainting and ate every day, I

(14:39):
went to my room and read. Atleast you had a room.

Sarah (14:42):
They didn't make you sleep in the Hawaii room.

Mark (14:44):
No. No. But it was

Sarah (14:46):
You can't have a mural wallpaper like that, like one of
those photo murals. You can'thave that on more than one wall.

Mark (14:53):
They had it on every it was just so weird. And they
drank out of tiki cups everynight and oh.

Sarah (15:00):
You know what? They had their thing. They weren't
hurting anybody. They weren'thappy.

Mark (15:03):
It was it was just so not Carl and Matata. But

Sarah (15:07):
that's alright. Yes. It could have been a lot worse.

Mark (15:09):
They could

Sarah (15:12):
have had one of those conversation pits in their
living room.

Mark (15:14):
Oh my gosh.

Sarah (15:16):
So Corina Doyle
is dead. Dead.
Bloody. And surrounded by people who Mike has put into
prison.

Mark (15:26):
Well three people who Mike has put into prison.

Sarah (15:30):
Trudy, Raylene and Miss White. Yes. So Trudy Brenda.

Mark (15:36):
Is Ray's sister, still in the

Sarah (15:39):
show. She who poisoned her neighbor with honey and then
strung him up like a scarecrow.

Mark (15:45):
Incredibly relevant in series 11.

Sarah (15:49):
Mhmm.

Mark (15:50):
Raelene killed the

Sarah (15:53):
country singer. Favorite musician.

Mark (15:54):
Yes. She's crazy. She's Looney McTooney.

Sarah (16:00):
She not only killed Holly, but she killed another
member of the band by stabbinghim with a pair of scissors, or
their manager with a pair ofscissors. Yeah. And kind of
like, he he he, that was fun.Her name is Yvette Parsons, the
actress, and she's so good atbeing a maniac.

Mark (16:19):
Remember she kinda escapes at the end and is kinda running
away and

Sarah (16:25):
then the third one is Brenda White who was involved in
the Clue party and killed missScarlet.

Mark (16:31):
When I always With a pair of scissors. Wait a

Sarah (16:34):
minute. Did did Raelene and Brenda both kill somebody
with a pair of scissors? KnowBrenda did. Think Raelene killed
She kills Holly with the amp.Yeah.
And then she stabs the other guyI Yeah.

Mark (16:47):
I always forget that Brenda White was in love with
the weird poet guy. Mhmm. Ialways forget that that Clue
episode is the weird poetepisode too.

Sarah (16:56):
Yeah. So It's it's a weird mix.

Mark (16:58):
So they're all Looney McTooney?

Sarah (17:00):
Yes. But it's like ghosts from Mike's past. All of the
crazy ladies he's ever knownthat aren't that he didn't
marry.

Mark (17:07):
There's a Murdoch like this Yeah. Where Julia gets
trapped inside the women'sprison.

Sarah (17:11):
Yeah in the dungeon of crazies. Of crazies that Where's
my baby? Yeah. And they want herbecause of course
they hate
Murdoch. So yeah, it's those women and then and Corina
dies not from being stabbed witha pencil, though that's what
it's made to look like. Yes. Andthere's so much blood because

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she gets stabbed basically inthe heart.

Mark (17:35):
Yes.

Sarah (17:36):
Right?

Mark (17:36):
And I like I like that Gina, the way she shows that the
pencil couldn't stab a person.Yeah. And anyone who's done
anything with a pencil knowsthis.

Sarah (17:50):
Yeah. But you but if you hadn't, you'd think it's totally
possible. Right? But she bringsin the beef roast and has them
all try to stab it to prove. Andthat's what you'd have to do in
court too.
Right? If they said, oh, but shekilled herself with a pencil.
Like, she couldn't have. Breenis like, oh,

Mark (18:09):
yellow power ranger.

Sarah (18:10):
There's no light in your pencil. I cannot do her accent.
I keep trying. I can't do it.

Mark (18:17):
No. So who says my pleasure dome?

Sarah (18:19):
Oh, that's that's Angela Lafferty, the superintendent.
She says, welcome to my PleasureDome. Yeah. Do you know what
that's a reference to?

Mark (18:28):
Yes. It's a reference to Kubla Khan and Written by?
Coleridge.

Sarah (18:33):
Yes. Good job. English major go.

Mark (18:36):
Yes.

Sarah (18:39):
But there's a lot of other things called Pleasure
Dome scents.

Mark (18:42):
Well,

Sarah (18:43):
yeah. Like a Frankie Goes to Hollywood It's

Mark (18:45):
a fantastic Frankie Goes to Hollywood

Sarah (18:47):
And several sticky nightclubs.

Mark (18:51):
Yeah. So

Sarah (18:55):
you've got those prisoners, the superintendent,
and two guards, Denise andCasey, who were on night duty
when Corina died.

Mark (19:04):
Denise looks like a bad ex girlfriend. A specific one.

Sarah (19:09):
Yes. Not just in general. No. I'm so sorry. So the two of
them

Mark (19:15):
are on duty. Imagine her with a Boston accent.

Sarah (19:19):
Raelene sends up the alarm screaming like she always
does. And they find Corina deadin her cell.

Mark (19:27):
Yes. I have a note, Raelene is intense.

Sarah (19:30):
Okay there's blood coming in her door, I would get worked
up too.

Mark (19:35):
Yes. So we also find out that there was a transfer from
City Women's Prison. Why wouldyou get transferred here? I
don't know. I don't know.
Well she gets transferred herebecause she's part of the crime
family that everybody

Sarah (19:51):
The Doyles. The Doyles. That Corina was married into.
Yeah. Man she killed him with anaxe.
Yeah. Dug a pretty deep hole forhim too.

Mark (20:01):
Like so She must have been stronger than she looks

Sarah (20:04):
if she hauled his ass out there in the middle of the woods
and dug that hole.

Mark (20:08):
She is a victim of spousal abuse and though she murdered
somebody it should have beenunderstood that she was fighting
for her survival. And I thinkthey imply that.

Sarah (20:20):
Yeah. Yeah. Well and she didn't get a life sentence. No.
But I think I would have gone toprison just to get away from his
family.
God they're

Mark (20:28):
They're horrible people. And the Doyles and the actors
who play the Doyles come in,their part and leave perfectly.

Sarah (20:37):
Oh yeah, but they're full on. Yeah. The mom is leather
pants, leather jacket attitude.It's instant coffee but we drink
it from this China, it makes ittaste better.

Mark (20:45):
They're big city criminals in the big city of Auckland.

Sarah (20:51):
I didn't know why you were making that face.

Mark (20:53):
Because I gotta get ready for the big city criminals.

Sarah (20:57):
That's a pirate accent, I think. You were working up to it
and making a face into the micand I'm like, what is he about
to do? So they they have alittle flashback because Mike
also arrested First

Mark (21:10):
of all, the music from the psychedelic Furs episode of
season eleven should have beenused in this episode during the
flashback.

Sarah (21:19):
You just gave one of our Watch Like a Maniacs away.

Mark (21:22):
I think people got it. Okay. Because wow.

Sarah (21:26):
Hughes Hughes' facial hair is dark. They like stick a
mustache on him.

Mark (21:31):
Hughes is like fresh from the porno set.

Sarah (21:34):
It's only supposed to be seven years ago. No. It's not
like 1985.

Mark (21:39):
But Mike's geeky evil twin. Urkel Mike. Urkel Mike.
I'll I'll put a spit cover on myhair and comb it over.

Sarah (21:50):
Brush it real hard to the side. And then in 2020, he gave
up the part.

Mark (21:56):
Like they must have came out to do that part and Tim Baum
must have been like laughing hisass off.

Sarah (22:06):
I was just thinking when I saw it and what we've got a
screenshot, we've got ascreenshot of Mike with this
hair, the flashback hair. I wasjust thinking if I wanted to
make you look ten years younger,I would not part your hair like
that.

Mark (22:22):
I'm a party boy now.

Sarah (22:24):
I would start by putting some Just For Men into your
beard though. Yes. Which wouldmake you look like a pirate. If
your beard was just black.

Mark (22:32):
I unfortunately have hockey beard right now. Yeah.
Not unfortunately. My team isdoing well. I'm surprised your
hair hasn't grabbed the Your

Sarah (22:42):
beard hasn't tried to take it yet.

Mark (22:45):
Oh, if we make it to round three, we might have to have a
sub podcast about just the hairon my hair.

Sarah (22:51):
Have to braid your mustache just to get it away
from your mouth. I'm gonna haveto cornrow your face.

Mark (22:59):
I cannot believe how funny they look in the flashback.

Sarah (23:04):
They they do look funny.

Mark (23:05):
They totally are goofing on it. Yeah. They totally know
they're looking funny.

Sarah (23:10):
Yeah. So Corina confesses but she won't tell them where
she's buried her husband's body,Where the body is and where the
weapon is. Because she wants tokeep something for herself. And
if I were her, I wouldn't telljust to spite his horrible
family because they neverprotected her, they never stuck

(23:31):
up for her. Yeah.
They knew what was happening andit serves them right. Yeah. But
she does tell Trudy.

Mark (23:40):
Yes. So Trudis is, Trudy is really the main character of
this episode. Mhmm. And she is awoman in a powerless position
who is taken advantage of. Yes.
Absolutely. Yes. And so doesanything she can to survive and
get out. Yes. She is a killer?

Sarah (24:02):
No. She just poisoned, accidentally poisoned her
neighbor and then accidentallytrussed him up and wrapped wire
around his Oopsie. She didn'tmean to do it. But yeah, I mean
when Karina takes her into herconfidence, she's got some
ammunition.

Mark (24:22):
Yeah.

Sarah (24:22):
Right? So, and we'll talk more about this. So this is a
spoiler podcast, we've told youthat, you know that by now. So
Denise, the short dark hairedprison guard is the killer. So
Trudy must have told Denise thatKarina told her where the body
was?
Yes. Why would Trudy have toldDenise that?

Mark (24:43):
No. I don't I don't know. I think she

Sarah (24:47):
because Denise wants to kill Karina because Trudy knows
where the body Yeah.

Mark (24:51):
Because she says she has the golden ticket.

Sarah (24:53):
Yeah. It's not good ammunition unless Karina's Yeah.

Mark (24:56):
Trudy uses that information to give to Denise.

Sarah (24:59):
Denise is just trying to get Trudy out. Yeah. And knows
that that information will gether out.

Mark (25:05):
Yes.

Sarah (25:06):
I don't know why Trudy would tell and Karina certainly
wouldn't tell Denise

Mark (25:10):
No. No. Where the body was. Because she says she you
have the golden ticket. Yeah.
So But I doubt that Trudy tellsher the location. She may tell
her that I know where the bodyis now

Sarah (25:21):
Yeah.

Mark (25:21):
But she doesn't

Sarah (25:22):
And maybe Trudy told her that because Trudy wanted to use
that ammunition and just told aguard because she was the
nearest kind of official person,hey I know this. Yeah. Do you
think you can talk to thesuperintendent?

Mark (25:34):
But Denise has the weirdness.

Sarah (25:37):
Yeah. She has all the wrong motives.

Mark (25:40):
So This is a little bit aggressive lesbianism.

Sarah (25:44):
Oh yeah. It's a

Mark (25:45):
That's kind of

Sarah (25:46):
Between Denise and Raylene

Mark (25:49):
Yeah.

Sarah (25:49):
Lesbians are not painted in a pretty picture. No. And
apparently in New Zealand thereis prison slang, a phrase that
is gay for the stay.

Mark (26:01):
Gay for the stay.

Sarah (26:02):
Which means you're heterosexual when you're out of
prison but when you're in prisonyou're a bit more open minded I
guess. Yes. But Raeleen is justcrazy minded.

Mark (26:12):
She's just crazy crazy.

Sarah (26:13):
And Denise is obviously crazy too. Yes. We get all of
these pieces of informationabout life in prison that only
feature this handful ofprisoners.

Mark (26:23):
Along with, and I think this is the whole reason that we
get the prison for hire thing,is there's no CCTV of this.
Yeah. So there has to be anexplanation of why there's no
CCTV.

Sarah (26:34):
Yeah and that it's a private prison and they're So
now

Mark (26:36):
it's a private prison and they're doing money

Sarah (26:39):
to And Angela is like, that would invade their privacy.
Yeah. Like Whatever. That's anexcuse.

Mark (26:44):
It's totally a red herring.

Sarah (26:45):
Yeah. But we get missus m's knitting class.

Mark (26:49):
Okay. So this is summer

Sarah (26:52):
camp with death. It's summer camp where you can never
leave.

Mark (26:58):
Yes.

Sarah (26:59):
Mrs. M has done salsa dancing, knitting, embroidery or
sewing of some sort. What elsehas she done?

Mark (27:07):
The greatest passion play

Sarah (27:09):
of Yes, that's true. The Christmas play.

Mark (27:12):
It is the most fantastic nativity play

Sarah (27:15):
of all time. The baby Jesus's head gets ripped off.
Raelene's like, I just thoughtabout all the suffering that
Jesus has later.

Mark (27:27):
The innkeeper raps.

Sarah (27:29):
Yes. Oh, they all do it. It's all rhyming. It's

Mark (27:31):
all rhyming. Much like like and that that is like so
there is a great scene in themovie Rushmore in which a play
of Apocalypse Now was performedat a high school.

Sarah (27:49):
It's kind of like when you guys when you were teaching
in the high school and you guyson the thing.

Mark (27:56):
And they do the same thing they do here. They just show you
enough of it to make you go, Iwanna see everything.

Sarah (28:04):
I wanna see all

Mark (28:05):
of All of it. But if they did show you all of it, it
wouldn't work.

Sarah (28:09):
It wouldn't work.

Mark (28:10):
But they show you the best part.

Sarah (28:12):
You're like, if the rest of it is like this, it's very
good.

Mark (28:15):
So I have a question for you. Mhmm. So missus m is doing
this out of the goodness of herheart, which like I just love
miss m.

Sarah (28:22):
Yeah.

Mark (28:22):
She's fantastic.

Sarah (28:23):
Yep.

Mark (28:24):
She's helping women in need. Mhmm. Okay? And not just
throwing them in a hole andforgetting them.

Sarah (28:31):
Mhmm. Right? But her choice of things to teach are
kind of dubious.

Mark (28:35):
What could be worse? Because like the knitting class
is pretty bad.

Sarah (28:41):
It's handing people stakes basically. Shives.

Mark (28:45):
There's a macrame reference here.

Sarah (28:47):
Don't get me started. They're like, is it a knitting
needle? No. Is it this? No.
Is it that? No. Is it a macramehook? Nobody does macrame
anymore. I'm not offended bythat.
Okay. Macrame doesn't use hooks.You're tying knots in big fat
card. There's no hooks.

Mark (29:05):
The question I have is why is macrame out of favor? That's
what you wanna talk about. Yes.Because it was so huge in the
seventies.

Sarah (29:15):
That's why it's out of favor.

Mark (29:17):
It was

Sarah (29:17):
it was it was so big. Unbelievably huge. It was so
big. And I would argue that it'sactually coming back. Oh.
Just like a lot of the thingsfrom that era, the late
seventies, early eighties arecoming back into fashion.

Mark (29:31):
Everyone had a Macrame Yes. Which obviously, you put
your heaviest plant in thisstupid thing of rope

Sarah (29:40):
Yes.

Mark (29:40):
And it fell in the middle of the night without without
exception.

Sarah (29:45):
Just look at Pinterest. How many macrame projects there
are on Pinterest. You will beshocked.

Mark (29:51):
And then there were like macrame dresses

Sarah (29:54):
Yes.

Mark (29:54):
And clothing. And I'm like, oh, this is it is

Sarah (29:58):
It just makes you feel old. That's why you don't

Mark (30:00):
like It's everything I hate about the seventies. There
are a lot of great things in theseventies. The Ramones, Star
Wars, Close Encounters, all thatgreat stuff. MacRamay was not
one of them.

Sarah (30:12):
So if they let missus M teach knitting and sewing which
involves needles and scissors,what ideas would they have
rejected?

Mark (30:22):
Maybe skeet shooting? Whittling? We're all out of
we're all out of clay pigeons.We'll just throw guards.

Sarah (30:32):
Yeah. Whittling? Like give them knives? Oh, Roxy could
come in and teach jujitsu. Yes.
Because we learned at the endthat she's at a jujitsu
tournament.

Mark (30:43):
Bomb practical bombing. Yes.

Sarah (30:48):
A whole class on the Anarchist's Cookbook.

Mark (30:52):
A whole class on escapeology and famous escapes.
Yes. Mrs. M, what are youteaching these girls? Corina's a
pretty good dead body for Gina.

Sarah (31:07):
Yeah. Gina says, Vishlock, Vashlock, VushkaVo.

Mark (31:11):
Yes.

Sarah (31:12):
Meaning eeny, meeny, miney, moe.

Mark (31:14):
So eeny meeny miny moe is a kid's rhyme.

Sarah (31:17):
Okay. Before you go on, say the whole rhyme. Okay. As
you know it, as you would havesaid it as a kid.

Mark (31:23):
As a kid. Eeny meeny miny moe. Catch a blank by the toe.
Now I was taught a horrificword. Okay.

Sarah (31:34):
Okay. We can imagine.

Mark (31:35):
Yep. If he hollers, let him go. Eeny miny miny moe.
That's interesting. Okay.
So it was male Yeah. And it wasa horrible

Sarah (31:46):
racial It was a racial slur.

Mark (31:47):
Yeah. And I was taught that.

Sarah (31:49):
What I learned was eeny miny miny moe, catch a tiger by
toe. If it hollers, make him pay$50 every day. My mother told me
to pick the very best one andyou are not it.

Mark (32:02):
Yes. So that's the girl's equivalent. Because that

Sarah (32:07):
Oh, we want him to pay.

Mark (32:08):
Is that right? No. No. But that's the the the girls
clapping rhymes.

Sarah (32:14):
Right? No. That's what we did when we played like Duck
Duck Goose.

Mark (32:17):
Oh, okay.

Sarah (32:18):
You said it as you walked around. Okay. And when and you
said, and you are not it, andyou tag that person Yeah.
They're it. Okay.
They're not the best one,they're it.

Mark (32:28):
Okay.

Sarah (32:28):
And then they would chase you around the circle or
whatever. You're playing. Ilooked this up because I wanted
to know if vishlak vashlakvushkovo was actually the
Russian version.

Mark (32:39):
Yes.

Sarah (32:39):
It's not. I don't know where they got that. Vushka
means dumpling by the way.That's the only of those words
that is even remotely a Russianword. Unless somebody knows
better, I couldn't find it.
But then I fell upon all ofthese threads of people talking
about what's your version ofeeny meeny miny moe? Yes. And I
did see the one that you'retalking about which was

(33:00):
definitely about catchingescaped slaves.

Mark (33:05):
Yes. It's totally escaped slaves. I remember when that
dawned on me as a kid. Yeah. Iwas like

Sarah (33:11):
Wow, not saying that

Mark (33:12):
anymore. Never saying that

Sarah (33:13):
But wow, there's just in The US, there's this huge
variety of you catch a tiger byits toe or you catch a turtle by
its toe or you catch your mamaby her toe.

Mark (33:28):
It's always two syllables.

Sarah (33:30):
There's all the end and what you do when you catch it.
Like if you holler, let it go.Or if he hollers, make him pay.
I think from what I could telland again, limited research. Let
me know if I'm wrong.
The version that I said, if hehollers, make him pay $50 every
day. My mother told me to pickthat very best one and you are

(33:51):
not it. Maybe specific to theMidwest where I grew up.

Mark (33:56):
Oh, I think so.

Sarah (33:57):
And I'd love to know if people have had different
versions as kids from otherareas of country and the world.
I'd love to know what you weretaught. They say that because
Gina has all of these possibleweapons and Yes. Like it it
could be any of them. Right?

Mark (34:13):
But she figures out that it's not It's

Sarah (34:15):
not the pencil for sure. No. And then she and she narrows
it down which means she get toshow she gets to show up in her
flower jeans.

Mark (34:24):
Yeah.

Sarah (34:26):
She pulls it off. Yeah. She looks great. Yep. She can
pull it off.
But it's an excuse to wear herheels to demonstrate how it was
done.

Mark (34:35):
And they come in at the most inappropriate time.

Sarah (34:38):
What what did you think about bringing putting Sims up
to talking to Gina and making itsound like the request they had
for her was from Mike and thathe was thinking about inviting
her for dinner.

Mark (34:50):
Got it.

Sarah (34:51):
Are manipulating Gina? Are they being mean? Or does her
kind of insubordination to themor her unwillingness to
cooperate with them get her whatshe deserves?

Mark (35:02):
Okay. Sims has to stick up for herself and Gina is being
unreasonable with Sims.

Sarah (35:08):
You think she's okay to have done that? No. She should
have said, it's unacceptablethat you'll work with him but
you won't work with me. Tell mewhat I'm asking you.

Mark (35:19):
What should happen is the pathologist should call her out
on it. And she should say, I hadto because you won't accept me.
And they have a realconversation. Okay, that's the
real world.

Sarah (35:32):
Gina should say, why did you lie to me about coming here
for dinner? And she's like,because I had to. Yes. Okay,
that's the real world

Mark (35:39):
boring That's real world boring version.

Sarah (35:41):
Okay.

Mark (35:42):
Okay? This is a fun thing in a television show where the
whole subplot of Gina lovingMike is played for fun. I have
no problem with it.

Sarah (35:52):
But sometimes I feel sorry for Gina.

Mark (35:54):
I do too, but she puts herself in these positions.

Sarah (35:58):
Like she's the butt of their jokes and that's not nice.

Mark (36:02):
No, but she's also like she sticks up for herself. Yeah.
A plus.

Sarah (36:10):
But she might also go home and be sad and lonely.

Mark (36:13):
We don't see Gina's home life.

Sarah (36:15):
No. Not yet anyway. No. Not in eleven seasons. No.
Who knows? Season twelve may beGina season.

Mark (36:21):
We find out that Trudy's husband

Sarah (36:25):
Has left her.

Mark (36:26):
Has left her.

Sarah (36:27):
Did you think that's what was gonna happen between them?

Mark (36:30):
I forget. I meant to listen to our after the show to
see what happens.

Sarah (36:34):
Our impression was that they legitimately cared about
each other. And then she wantedhim to move away from the farm
but he was never going to but itwas killing him.

Mark (36:44):
Yep. So

Sarah (36:44):
They really cared about each other. But I guess, you
know, the actor moved on so itbecame inconvenient for him to
have a wife in prison. Yes. SoRay is the only one who comes to
visit. Which means she can puthim up to catching a fish and
burying it.

Mark (36:59):
There's a

Sarah (37:00):
whole I love that Trudy is so manipulative that she can
plant fake evidence while injail.

Mark (37:08):
And the best part of that flashback, so so they they go to
find the dead body. It's a fish.

Sarah (37:16):
Yes.

Mark (37:16):
It's a fish that Jared goes, duh.

Sarah (37:20):
He knows all about it already.

Mark (37:21):
He knows all about it already. And he goes, that fish,
if it was buried years ago,would have been rotten.

Sarah (37:26):
Yes. Obviously.

Mark (37:29):
And then he goes, you should ask the fishermen. And
then there's this awesome shotof Ray fishing. Yeah. And you
know exactly what happened.

Sarah (37:38):
She's like, and he he's carrying off his big fish. He's
like, Gina will be happy aboutthis. And we know Gina is in
prison, so it's not like he'staking it home to cook it.

Mark (37:47):
That day filming, they were like, Ray, look the
happiest you've ever looked inyour life.

Sarah (37:53):
You two just get to stand on the beach and fish.

Mark (37:55):
Yep. And Ray is just like, yep, okay.

Sarah (37:58):
I wonder if you can actually catch fish that big
from the beach.

Mark (38:02):
That would be impressive.

Sarah (38:03):
That's amazing if

Mark (38:04):
you It's it's another like, well at first you're like,
oh yeah Jared's in this episode.

Sarah (38:11):
Yeah. He's in it for three minutes.

Mark (38:14):
Yes.

Sarah (38:14):
He gets to go fishing and have wine at Mike's and

Mark (38:17):
that's That is it.

Sarah (38:18):
It's not bad. That's not a bad gig. Yeah because so
Brenda thinks that she's got themap to where Jaden is buried and
it's gonna get her out of jail.But it turns out that Trudy has
completely fabricated it.

Mark (38:31):
It's all in my mind.

Sarah (38:33):
Because Trudy has it committed to memory she actually
knows where the body is and isable to take them there.

Mark (38:39):
So before we get to that whole series bit at the end, I
wanna talk about the sun thatappears to be eating people.

Sarah (38:47):
Yes. So in the visitors room in the prison where they do

Mark (38:52):
their There's a lot of bad art.

Sarah (38:54):
Yeah. Well, it's prison art. It's summer camp remember?

Mark (38:57):
Yes, sorry. It's summer

Sarah (38:59):
camp. One of the things that's in there, and we've got a
shot of it, we'll put it in theshow notes, Overbrain Shoulder
is a mural of a son thatincludes a son with big sharp
teeth. Incredibly big sharpteeth. Like right at the horizon
as if it's eating the ocean.

Mark (39:16):
Now we're joking, but just look at any scene that happens
in that room and replace theinmates with children and you
have summer camp.

Sarah (39:26):
Yes. You have summer camp.

Mark (39:28):
Including Mrs. M.

Sarah (39:29):
Or a residential school for problematic kids

Mark (39:32):
Yes.

Sarah (39:33):
At the worst.

Mark (39:33):
All of the

Sarah (39:34):
same. So it it's an awful looking sun. It's like, and Mark
and I were both like, what theheck is that about? Yes. Why did
they let them paint that on thewall?
Turns out it's a Maori legend

Mark (39:47):
Yes.

Sarah (39:47):
About how the Maoris slowed the sun. Oh. And in all
of the art related to thatlegend, the sun has great big
freaking teeth. I don't knowwhy, but the Maori warriors tie
it down with ropes Oh. And slowit down.

Mark (40:06):
So they're swimming to it to tie it down.

Sarah (40:09):
We'll put a link to a YouTube video Yep. Of an author
reading a children's book aboutit. In the illustrations in the
book, they're not they're not inthe water. They're on the land.
But they they throw ropes out toit because, the problem they're
solving is that the sun risesand sets so fast that they have
no time to fish or farm or Oh,okay.

(40:31):
Do all the things. So they needto slow it down. Why it has big
teeth? I do not know. It isdefinitely a reference to that
legend.
It's gotta be.

Mark (40:39):
It also reminded me of, and this could be a reference to
the legend too, punk singer fromthe eighties, Henry Rollins has
a giant skull on his back thathas a face on it that's smiling.

Sarah (40:54):
A skull?

Mark (40:54):
No. No. A son. Sorry. A giant sun on his back.

Sarah (40:58):
Yeah. Well, the the face that's on the sun in the
painting and in the book thatwe'll link to the YouTube video
about, those are Maori facialtattoos. Yeah. Like that's
that's the markings on the face.

Mark (41:11):
It wouldn't surprise me if Rollins is is referencing that.

Sarah (41:14):
Yeah. But those big teeth, I don't know. I don't
know where those come from. SoRaelene confesses. Yes.
She says that she stole theheels from the dress up box for
the passion play and that sheunlocked her door with a crochet
hook, which is a real thingunlike a macrame hook. Because

(41:37):
she likes being in prison. Shedoesn't wanna go. Yep. She's a
Nancy no mates.
This is the best thing she'sever had.

Mark (41:44):
It's it's institutionalizing in thirty
seconds of an incredibly complexninety minute show.

Sarah (41:53):
I tell you what, that scene of them doing yoga with
Frodo's not girlfriend? Yes. Shegropes Karina. That is not Not
acceptable.

Mark (42:03):
It's totally not acceptable. And were you like,
why are they talking? Oh, she'sthe yoga instructor.

Sarah (42:10):
Yeah.

Mark (42:10):
You're like, why are they talking to to Frodo's not
girlfriend?

Sarah (42:14):
Now you've done much more yoga than I have. Yes. Is Buddha
by the pool an actual pose?
No. Okay.

Mark (42:21):
Not that I've ever done.

Sarah (42:23):
Because that's the pose they're doing is Buddha by the
pool. No.

Mark (42:28):
They do they do do actual yoga moves,

Sarah (42:33):
but I

Mark (42:34):
don't recall one

Sarah (42:35):
They do downward dog and stuff, but then when they lie on
their side and put their leg upin the air, she says
it's booted by the pool.
So Raelene confesses, but when they have her reenact
getting out of her cell with thehook, she can't. Yeah. Can't.
Work. A crochet hook is notgonna unlock that door.

Mark (42:53):
And Mike's radar is off. He's like

Sarah (42:56):
whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop. And she's hiding the
stilettos in her mattress cover.That would make that
uncomfortable mattress evenworse, would think. Yes. If
there were a couple of shoes inthere.
What's Mrs. M doing with a pairof red stiletto heels

Mark (43:11):
Oh I have a note that says where did Mrs. M get those
stilettos?

Sarah (43:16):
And they're size forty which is the same size that I
wear before you say anything inUK sizes, which is a US Size Ten
in women's. So they're not likepetite shoes. They're big shoes.
I love when Breen has to go geta pair. They're not for me.

(43:39):
Okay. Okay.

Mark (43:41):
There's a moment here where Raelene does a fantastic
bit of acting where she'sthinking.

Sarah (43:49):
Oh, her eyes. They like ping pong back and forth when
she's freaking out.

Mark (43:53):
Yep. She's a good Yvette Parsons is a good actress. So
you found out something abouther that I did not know.

Sarah (44:01):
I thought she was so good at being crazy in the first
episode that she was in.

Mark (44:04):
She was fantastic. Like in the flashbacks she is

Sarah (44:07):
We we missed absolutely maniacal.

Mark (44:09):
We missed this in the first episode.

Sarah (44:13):
So when I saw her again, well first of all, I'm obsessed
with her hair. She's got thebest curls. I wish I had curls
like that. Mine are not likethat. But I was like, well,
she's such a she's so good at atplaying this character.
I didn't look that far into whatshe'd done. She's just been in a
bunch of New Zealand stuff. Likeshe's done Power Ranger
voiceovers. Like like everybodyelse. But she did go to England

(44:36):
early in her career like rightafter college I guess.
In the eighties. In the eightiesshe went to England for quite a
while before she went back toNew Zealand. And while she was
there she played keyboard in aband called Dead Can Dance.

Mark (44:49):
Yes. So that's a big Which quite

Sarah (44:52):
shocked you because

Mark (44:52):
you were like,

Sarah (44:53):
yeah I've heard of that band.

Mark (44:55):
Yeah. And she wasn't a member of the band, I think she
probably toured with them.

Sarah (45:00):
But she played keyboard for him. That's I bet she was
fantastic.

Mark (45:03):
She absolutely you can't lock into that gig.

Sarah (45:08):
Can we talk about Mike's dream?

Mark (45:10):
Mike's dream fantastically twin peaksy.

Sarah (45:13):
He realizes Raelene's confession

Mark (45:15):
isn't Oh my god. So fantastically twin peaksy.

Sarah (45:20):
I love when Raelene's unlocking the door with the fish
then she's got the lipstick allover

Mark (45:25):
her face. It is how they did those scenes without
laughing.

Sarah (45:33):
Oh they must have been laughing.
They must have been cracking up. I have a feeling
that Yvette Parsons is quitefunny. Yes. Think that she was
probably cracking everybody upall the time. Yep.
But he so Breen buys the redshoes Yes. And Mike takes him to
the prison and plays Cinderellawith Raelene. He says, try these
on. And she puts them on withher prison tube socks. Yes.

(45:58):
And she can't her feetimmediately fall over. And I was
like that's me in heels. That'swhat my feet do. She says I fall
off of them like that's whathappens to me.

Mark (46:10):
It must be so incredibly hard to do. I cannot imagine.

Sarah (46:14):
Women who can do it, people who can do it. There's a
lot of drag queens who way workheels that I just don't know how
they

Mark (46:22):
learn to do I worked in a club, a nightclub where I saw a
lot of women with high heels on.You can derive from that what
you wish. You DJ'd for a summerin a strip club. Yes. I saw the
damage high heels did to women'sfeet.

Sarah (46:37):
Oh yeah.

Mark (46:38):
Just unbelievable.

Sarah (46:40):
Yeah. It's really bad. Like Their feet They

Mark (46:43):
can't walk properly without those

Sarah (46:45):
Their feet, their hips, their backs. Their knees, all
kinds of damage. But Raelenecan't, she can't walk in them.

Mark (46:53):
Now we know it's not Raelene.

Sarah (46:56):
Well, she can't, she's so bad at walking in them that it's
not even plausible that she hadthem on long enough to stand on
Carina.

Mark (47:05):
Yes. Because that that is how Carina is murdered. She is
told to lie on the floor sosomebody with authority told
her. Right. Immediately, Raelenewould have been like lie on the
floor and Carina would have beenlike, no.

Sarah (47:18):
Yeah.

Mark (47:18):
Lie on the floor.

Sarah (47:20):
Pillow on her face.

Mark (47:21):
Pillow was put on her face and a sharpened shoe is driven
into her chest.

Sarah (47:27):
She just steps on her chest with her weight on her
heel. That was absolutely worth.

Mark (47:32):
This is one of the most horrific Brokenwood deaths.

Sarah (47:35):
Do you think when Baum was writing this that he had a
big beef roast and he tried it?

Mark (47:41):
Yeah. I totally think he did.

Sarah (47:45):
Like he tried stabbing with pencils. Yep. He tried
standing on it in a in astiletto. You'd almost have to.
You can't make that big of apoint of the pencil not being
possible just to find out that astiletto wouldn't be possible.
Yeah. But they must be not justany kind of stiletto heel
because cheap shoes are cheapshoes.

Mark (48:05):
Yeah and they're going to break.

Sarah (48:06):
And those heels would break. Yeah. You know.

Mark (48:09):
So Mrs. M had fancy stiletto.

Sarah (48:12):
They're like Jimmy Choos or something.

Mark (48:15):
Mrs. M's Jimmy Choos.

Sarah (48:17):
And and

Mark (48:18):
now the name of the episode.

Sarah (48:20):
And the tip is sharpened. Yeah. Makes it even crazier.

Mark (48:24):
I I just imagine Denise like with one of those old timey
big sharpening stones moving herleg up. Yeah. You have to pedal?
She's like and like sparksshooting off of So

Sarah (48:40):
Raelene can't walk in the heels, but we're supposed to
believe that Denise can.

Mark (48:44):
Yeah. I well, Denise puts it on to stab her and that's it.

Sarah (48:50):
Yeah.

Mark (48:50):
And she leans against the wall in the reenactment.

Sarah (48:53):
Okay. Then then she could probably do it.

Mark (48:55):
Yeah. So we find out Denise and Trudy ish helped with
this.

Sarah (49:01):
No. Trudy just knew it was happening.

Mark (49:03):
Well, and so they arrest Trudy but they can't hold her
because she didn't do anything.No. Poor Ray is like

Sarah (49:10):
But she's

Mark (49:10):
not Trudy's out. Oh no. Yes she is.

Sarah (49:13):
Yeah. I feel bad for Trudy in that scene, in the
reenactment of the murder.

Mark (49:18):
Trudy is a powerless individual Yeah. Who is taken
advantage of and abused.

Sarah (49:25):
Absolutely.

Mark (49:25):
Even if Trudy knows what's going on and is manipulating
her, she still has no power inthe situation.

Sarah (49:33):
What could she do?

Mark (49:34):
She has no power in the situation. No. None. So again,
that is a story that I would sayis told from a woman's
perspective and we understandthat powerlessness that a male
creator would have a toughertime telling this.

Sarah (49:51):
But just like Corina had no choice but to kill her
husband, Trudy has no choice butto keep her mouth shut. Yep.
What's she gonna do? Report onDenise? Who's gonna believe her?
Nobody.

Mark (50:04):
Turns the corner and goes full freakasoid at the end. Oh
man,

Sarah (50:09):
does she? I can pull some strings and we can get a cell
together.

Mark (50:12):
Hold my hand my love. No. Trudy's like, you see the
powerlessness and the abuse andthe trauma that Trudy has
undergone in that scene.

Sarah (50:23):
Yeah. I I really like when they put Trudy in the back
of the car to drive her home.Yeah. How much she is just so
relieved to be out in the sunand in the air Yeah. And away
because wow, that would be sosmothering to have somebody
wielding that kind of power overyou all the time.
I mean prison's bad enough butthat Yep. So then they get to go

(50:46):
to to Mike's house for dinner.

Mark (50:47):
For the worst dinner party ever. Who brings a roast to a
dinner party? An uncooked roast.

Sarah (50:54):
It's cooked. It's got rosemary

Mark (50:56):
sticks in Oh, it does.

Sarah (50:57):
Yeah. It's cooked. She she she made it. But who brings
an uncovered? What did she do?
Put it in the in the passengerseat of the car?

Mark (51:05):
Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab,

Sarah (51:09):
corners slow so the roast doesn't slide around.

Mark (51:12):
So Roxy's a jujitsu. Mhmm. Okay? We Roxy is now the
character that never shows upfor anything.

Sarah (51:19):
No. Jared's man in

Mark (51:20):
the I think the next scene we get to see the next season we
get to see Roxy, I think. I'mnot sure.

Sarah (51:27):
We'll see. Yeah. And Gina brings the stabbed meat. Yes.
And Mike's She's

Mark (51:33):
all dressed up.

Sarah (51:34):
See again I feel bad. Yep. How many pairs of heels
does she have?

Mark (51:38):
Yeah I do not.

Sarah (51:39):
How do you walk on grass

Mark (51:40):
in those I do not like that's a tough one.

Sarah (51:44):
She's wearing a jumpsuit. Yep. I can't see a jumpsuit like
that and go how do you go pee inthat? Yeah. It's got a belt over
it, you gotta take the belt off.

Mark (51:53):
You gotta get undressed and

Sarah (51:55):
go to the bathroom. Gotta out of that thing to go to the
bathroom. But Mike isn't eventhere. He's at the funeral for
Karina because he feels bad.

Mark (52:02):
Mike is all about Mike's got a little savior complex
going on, and he always has. Hehad it in the first season, and
that comes back. I think thatcharacter comes back later on.

Sarah (52:16):
Do you think that if it had been up to him, she wouldn't
have gone to prison? I didn'tget that sense. I don't think he
feels bad that she went toprison.

Mark (52:24):
I think they tried to do everything they could to help
her.

Sarah (52:27):
She got a fifteen year sentence. Yeah. And she was
probably gonna get out in ten.Yeah. Like ten years for killing
your husband with an axe and notturning over his body, that's
nothing.

Mark (52:37):
Yeah. Nothing. Especially when he deserved it. Exactly.
Well, okay.
No one deserves to be killed.

Sarah (52:44):
No. But when he was an abuser and everybody knew

Mark (52:48):
But I feel that her life was in danger?

Sarah (52:50):
Yeah. It was basically self defense.

Mark (52:51):
Self defense.

Sarah (52:53):
Yeah. Wow. On that note Wow. That's dead and buried.
Karina is the best dead body.
She does a good job. Not gonnagive it to Jaden, her her ex, or
dead husband, because we don'treally see much of him.

Mark (53:05):
So missus White stays in prison. Mhmm.

Sarah (53:07):
And Brenda and Raylene are still still there. Yes.
Raylene stays in prison. Alongwith Polly forever backward
tattoo forehead woman. That isso funny.

Mark (53:19):
There's two other inmates who are there just to be joked
about.

Sarah (53:23):
Yes. Shaz and Miranda or no, Nancy. Yeah. Shaz is Jonesy.

Mark (53:31):
Shaz is the Doyle. Like she's just there to cause
problems. Yeah. Like the peoplewho run prisons are not stupid.
No.
Like they would know, they wouldgo, No, we're not taking her. Or
if we're taking her, she's goingnowhere near this other person.

Sarah (53:49):
So Shaz is the forehead one. Yeah. And then there's
Jonesy who's the read my lips,Your lips aren't moving.
Exactly. And then does the birdand the double bird at Sims in
the interview room.
She's funny.

Mark (54:02):
I'm just mean to Sims.

Sarah (54:05):
So that's Dead and Buried. And that is the end of
season six.

Mark (54:09):
Yes. So this is like there's a real turning point. So
season six means now thatthey're out of government money.

Sarah (54:19):
Mhmm.

Mark (54:20):
Right? They have to make money on their own. And they
make a real big push herebecause the seasons after this,
they're all are all six seasons.

Sarah (54:31):
Mhmm.

Mark (54:32):
Six episode seasons. Mhmm. I don't think there's any change
in the quality of the work evento set season eleven.

Sarah (54:40):
No. If anything, it it continues to get better.

Mark (54:43):
Yeah. That we've seen in Murdoch. And I would say we've
seen in Father Brown. Yeah.There's a decline of quality
there.

Sarah (54:51):
Well, and that is not just a change in production
funding and stuff, but it's alsolike, okay, you've you've you've
run out of ideas. Yes. Let it
let it go. Yeah.
And then they start to jump the shark a bit as they try
to push and dig for plots thatthey just they just shouldn't.
Yeah. But this no. This justgets better. Broken wood just

(55:12):
gets better.
Which is why we're gonna keepgoing with season seven episode
one next week.

Mark (55:17):
Yes. Season one season seven episode one, The Garat and
the Winkelbrahn, which is theantiques roadshow And we're like
we're famous for this. We'relike, okay, if this show that
we're watching, watching, thisBritish reality show

Sarah (55:34):
Somebody needs to get murdered

Mark (55:35):
in this Someone needs to get murdered in this show, like
come how come dine with usdidn't have a murder is kind of
amazing.

Sarah (55:44):
How somebody hasn't made a mystery like Broken Wood or
Murdoch that's set during afilming of Come Dine With Me,
they're just missing anopportunity. Heck, we're so bad
about this that I'm if I've gotfive minutes and I just wanna
goof around, I love to look atRightmove which is The UK Zillow

(56:04):
basically. Yeah. And I sort itjust by houses that are over
like 10,000,000 and have morethan 10 acres of land or
whatever.

Mark (56:11):
We can't afford a 10,000,000.

Sarah (56:12):
No no no no. But those are the those are

Mark (56:14):
the The YouTube money is not No.

Sarah (56:17):
Those are the old crazier houses and I'm constantly
sending you links going, how hasthere not been a murder mystery
set in this house? This houseneeds a body, you know.

Mark (56:27):
And somebody posted a cartoon and I totally agree with
it. If we were to go to England,say we went to England for three
months and stayed in a cottageand went around and saw
everybody and did live episodesand it was fantastic and we were
on Midsummer Murders and all ourdreams came true, we would be
like there wasn't a real murder.

Sarah (56:46):
Yeah. We went on a cruise but nobody died.

Mark (56:49):
Wow, we're never going on

Sarah (56:50):
a cruise. There was no mystery to solve. How
disappointing was that?

Mark (56:54):
And all those okay. All your little mystery nights, I
figured them out in like fiveminutes.

Sarah (57:01):
Yeah. They're murder mystery games.

Mark (57:03):
We tend to figure those out pretty quickly.

Sarah (57:06):
Unfortunately. We know a lot of and I'm sure a lot of our
listeners would too. They'rejust they're used to the tropes.
They understand them. So It'stough, know.

Mark (57:17):
You miss If

Sarah (57:17):
you the

Mark (57:18):
newsletter, we had a newsletter go out this week
which included our May scheduleas well as a lovely picture of
Olive stealing Sarah's seat.

Sarah (57:29):
Olive who is a dog.

Mark (57:31):
Yes. So I did get a note. I did get a note on YouTube,
which was this desperate womanwho said, oh my gosh, Olive is a
dog. To which I responded, youmust be so confused.

Sarah (57:50):
If you didn't know she was
a dog, you'd think we were so weird.

Mark (57:56):
I now wanna listen to those episodes.

Sarah (57:58):
And imagine Olive being a child and and and understand it
in that way. All the crazythings we've said.

Mark (58:05):
Did you leave the baby outside?

Sarah (58:09):
Olive won't stop peeing on the deck.

Mark (58:13):
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social medias.

Sarah (58:24):
Send us your eeny meeny miny mo version.

Mark (58:26):
Send us your

Sarah (58:26):
eeny meeny mo. Tell us where you're from and what you
learned as a I wanna know. I'mcurious. If you get if you have
access to season eleven like wedo

Mark (58:34):
Yes.

Sarah (58:35):
Listen to the minis. Absolutely.

Mark (58:37):
And we're gonna cover all six episodes and those will be
released through May.

Sarah (58:41):
I can't believe some of the stuff that we've noticed in
those episodes. They're reallyfun.

Mark (58:46):
Keep supporting Leafs. Go Leafs go and we will talk to you
in a week with the Garrot andthe Winklebran.

Sarah (58:54):
Bye, Maniacs.

Mark (58:55):
Bye, Maniacs. Thanks for joining us on the mystery
maniacs podcast. If you enjoyedour crazy podcast today, don't
miss out on future episodes.Follow us on social media for
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peeks. Subscribe, like, andshare to spread the word.
Bye, maniacs. And forget thelast part I was gonna say.

Sarah (59:17):
You're old now.

Mark (59:19):
Yes.

Sarah (59:21):
You wanna do that again?

Mark (59:23):
Yes.

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