Outside The Circle Of Law | Brokenwood | "Something Nasty in the Market" | Mystery Maniacs Podcast EP240 - Mystery Maniacs

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Sarah (00:00):
It's a Venn diagram Yes. Where one circle is inside the

(00:05):
other circle.

Mark (00:06):
So so now Johnny freely admits that sometimes he does
things that may be outside thecircle of law.

Sarah (00:14):
Yes. And he gets away with it by just closing his
eyes.

Mark (00:18):
Yes.

Sarah (00:34):
Hey, maniacs.

Mark (00:35):
Hey, mystery maniacs. Mystery maniacs is a comedy
recap podcast dedicated toMystery TV. Each week we dig
into an episode of the showincluding the murders, the
mayhem, the loonies, andeverything else we love.

Sarah (00:49):
This week, Broken Woods season seven episode four,
something nasty in the market.I'm Mark. I'm Sarah. You you
like us little song. I'm Mark.
I was waiting for the next line.

Mark (01:04):
If you let your kids go to the market by themselves, I
guess they can listen to thepodcast.

Sarah (01:08):
Just don't let them get forked. Forked?

Mark (01:10):
Boy, we've watched a lot of television lately.

Sarah (01:13):
We have. There's been a lot of good stuff.

Mark (01:16):
There has been a lot of good stuff and there's a lot of
horrible stuff in the world thatwe don't want to watch.

Sarah (01:20):
That's true. We've finished apartment q. We won't
give anything away except totell you that if you are in love
with the books, it does enddifferently, but it's good.

Mark (01:29):
I give it a solid nine and

Sarah (01:31):
a half out of 10. Same.

Mark (01:32):
Because I like the original ending. Yep. But they
do good here.

Sarah (01:36):
Yep. It works. It absolutely works.

Mark (01:38):
It does. Speaking of endings, I Jack Wright.

Sarah (01:44):
It's called I, comma, Jack Wright on BritBox.

Mark (01:47):
It's on BritBox.

Sarah (01:48):
Don't watch it. It's it

Mark (01:50):
is the lost of mystery television. Yes. So I've I've
told you this story before butI'll tell it again. 22 episodes
of Lost, the first season ofLost. We were presented at the
end of the first season withLost with a ladder.
Mhmm. And I said, I'm out.Because they're just screwing

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with us or they're making it upas they go along.

Sarah (02:13):
Yeah. I I think iJack Wright is worse.

Mark (02:16):
I agree.

Sarah (02:17):
It it follows the structure that you expect from,
like, a limited run show thatwill resolve at the end, and it
doesn't.

Mark (02:27):
It doesn't We're

Sarah (02:28):
not gonna give anything away except to say, at the end
of it, they do not solve themurder. It is to be continued.

Mark (02:35):
There is a spoiler laden discussion on the subreddit.

Sarah (02:40):
On the Midsommar Maniac subreddit. Mystery Maniac
subreddit.

Mark (02:43):
Which you can join and mark as spoilers.

Sarah (02:46):
Yes. So But it I recommend it if there is a
season two. If season two comesout, by all means, watch season
one. But until then, spareyourself.

Mark (02:58):
I gotta see a really good season two episode one or else
I'm the latter out again.

Sarah (03:03):
You're gonna be like, ah, they're still not gonna solve
it.

Mark (03:06):
Yep. Now like It's also a show where

Sarah (03:09):
you don't like any of the characters. You're not rooting
for anybody.

Mark (03:13):
Any of the characters. There's a difference here. When
I went into Twin Peaks, it'sDavid Lynch. I knew there was a
murder mystery, but I knew therewas a very good chance that it
was gonna be solved in a weirdway or not solved at all.

Sarah (03:28):
Well, and I would say the same thing about Lost. It
presented itself as this weirdkind of Lynch y sort of strange
show with twists that you didn'texpect. I, Jack Wright,
presented itself as a typicalBritish murder mystery. Yeah.
With a limited cast ofcharacters who could have done
it, detectives to solve themystery, and you expect them to

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at least resolve some of thethreads.
Not only did they not do thatThey

Mark (03:56):
added threads in the last five minutes at

Sarah (03:58):
the They sprayed the threads they had. Yep. And then
they macrame some more in andthen tie dyed them and spread
them all around. Yeah. It wasreally frustrating.
Death Valley, not frustrating.We've been watching that. We've
watched a few more episodes ofit now.

Mark (04:16):
It is a wonderful new cozy.

Sarah (04:18):
It's fun. It's cute.

Mark (04:19):
It's cute.

Sarah (04:20):
It's not serious. No. It's not gritty.

Mark (04:23):
And boy, is it full of Midsummer people.

Sarah (04:26):
Oh, it's absolutely Midsummer, Midsummer, Midsummer.
And then kind of different showthat we've started watching
because I have read the booksAnd Danish recommended to us
like

Mark (04:37):
a thousand times.

Sarah (04:39):
Is Murderbot. It's on Apple TV. It's a sci fi sort of.
I mean, it's set in the future.

Mark (04:44):
Yes.

Sarah (04:45):
But the sci fi part of it really isn't what's important.
Yes. It's far funnier than youexpect it to be. It doesn't look
like a funny show.

Mark (04:53):
Yes. And it's called Murderbot.

Sarah (04:55):
And it's called Murderbot. But it's very clever.
Yes. I I really like it.

Mark (04:59):
I would agree.

Sarah (05:00):
Somebody's got not only Father's Day coming up but a
birthday this week.

Mark (05:04):
Yes. So this episode drops on the June 16 and then our next
episode will drop the June 30and in between those events
Birthday boy. Is my birthday.

Sarah (05:18):
Your birthday, it's your birthday.

Mark (05:20):
Yes. I turned 60,000,000.

Sarah (05:24):
No, you don't. Okay.

Mark (05:25):
I've been turning 60. 75 quadrillion.

Sarah (05:28):
He's impossible people. You can't buy him anything. He's
already got it or doesn't wantit or can't tell you what it is.
Or the only thing that he wantsis super expensive or impossible
to find. He's impossible.

Mark (05:40):
Sorry. Impossible. I want I want you all to have a
wonderful birthday of mybirthday.

Sarah (05:46):
Yeah. Last year, we didn't have power.

Mark (05:49):
Yes. Last We

Sarah (05:50):
ate sandwiches in the dark.

Mark (05:52):
If you remember, last year, we had a power outage for
five days.

Sarah (05:56):
Five days.

Mark (05:57):
Were five days without power.

Sarah (05:59):
And it started on your birthday.

Mark (06:00):
And to tell you Happy birthday. To tell you the truth,
by the yeah. Because remember,we ordered Indian food.

Sarah (06:06):
Yeah.

Mark (06:06):
And by the end of those five days, we were a bedraggled
household.

Sarah (06:11):
We were stinky and combative. Yes. And hot. Very
hot.

Mark (06:17):
Sarah called me at work and said the power is back on. I
drove home and the power was offagain. Yeah. That was cruel. And
everybody was like, don't tellMark the power off.

Sarah (06:25):
Yeah. I can tell the power's He's gonna be able to
tell. This year should bebetter. Hopefully. Hopefully.
Okay. Are you ready to talkabout something nasty?

Mark (06:36):
Oh, boy. Lots to talk about here. So originally aired
date, the 04/19/2021, directedby Jeffrey Cawthorn and written
by Fiona Samuel who also wrotethe book episode. She has
written the two Petra episodesand those two only. Sarah, I am
a vain and selfish man.

Sarah (06:58):
Okay.

Mark (06:59):
Do you know why I'm a vain and selfish man?

Sarah (07:01):
I don't think you are either of those things. I But
why do you say?

Mark (07:04):
I am indeed both of those things because I take a perverse
sense and joy in proving IMDbtrivia notes incorrect.

Sarah (07:16):
That makes you pedantic. Not vain.

Mark (07:21):
No, those people are just bad.

Sarah (07:23):
They take the time to add a trivia point to the episode
notes on IMDb

Mark (07:30):
Yes.

Sarah (07:30):
Which means you have to create an account Yes. And then
you have to add it, andsomebody's gotta approve it

Mark (07:35):
Yes.

Sarah (07:36):
And you enjoy proving them wrong? Yes. And what is
wrong?

Mark (07:39):
The note says the episode title is in reference to
something nasty in thewoodshedding 1942 mystery
detective novel by AnthonyGilbert. Gilbert, pen name of
British author Lucy BeatriceMaylson, has sometimes become
popular saying indicating theremight be something hidden nearby
hidden danger nearby. That novelwas indeed written in 1942.

(08:04):
Mhmm. But what did we makereference to this particular
phrase in the previous episode?

Sarah (08:10):
We made reference to Cold Comfort Farm.

Mark (08:12):
Cold Comfort Farm, a comic novel by English author Stella
Gibbonson, published in 1932.Oh. Boom, baby. I do not believe
that Cold Comfort Farm is thesource of this phrase, but I
believe it was in the vernacularfor decades before the novel in

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1942.

Sarah (08:36):
You mean one decade?

Mark (08:37):
At least decade. At least one decade.

Sarah (08:40):
So there's something nasty at the market and the
market that we're referring tois the Brokenwood Market. With
Farmers Market?

Mark (08:47):
It's a farmers market. There is our favorite and only
artisanal cheese maker. Dylan.Dylan. Dylan McCracken.
Micah's so grumpy.

Sarah (08:57):
I would think that he would like a farmers market.

Mark (08:59):
I would think so too. Frodo's here.

Sarah (09:02):
Of course he is. And so is Timmy Time Toilets.

Mark (09:07):
Yes. So Timmy Time Toilets, though Timmy Time does
not make an appearance. Histoilets do.

Sarah (09:15):
Last seen in the steampunk episode.

Mark (09:17):
And his fantastic mascot of a loo roll with eyes and a
giant smile.

Sarah (09:24):
He's a happy little toilet paper.

Mark (09:25):
He's very happy toilet paper.

Sarah (09:28):
At least this time they don't have bike wheels strapped
to him. No. Speaking of Frodo, Ihappen to notice that the latte
bucket price has gone down

Mark (09:36):
Oh, has?

Sarah (09:36):
To $4.20.

Mark (09:38):
Oh. That's much cheaper.

Sarah (09:40):
It was $20 before he stuck a Ford in front of it.

Mark (09:43):
There is a baker. There's also chutney

Sarah (09:48):
Uh-huh.

Mark (09:49):
And there's the butcher.

Sarah (09:51):
Pete's Mighty Meats.

Mark (09:53):
Pete's Mighty Meats. Last seen Pete was in the Christmas
episode.

Sarah (09:58):
Mhmm. He of the sausage. So the whole plot is around the
death of Sophie Granger. Chef,cookbook writer, lifestyle
entrepreneur. Yeah.
Are there any lifestyleentrepreneurs that you follow?

Mark (10:15):
I guess the maker lifestyle. I guess the guy the
maker people that I follow aresort of in that. And then I I
watch an enormous amount ofnarrowboat people, which I
probably shouldn't. I have theweirdest collection of eclectic

(10:36):
taste. People who make stuff,drive narrowboats, or talk about
hockey.

Sarah (10:41):
Yeah. That's pretty much the or or comics, I guess. Yeah.
I don't know. This kind of likelifestyle, like, it started with
kinda Martha Stewart, I guess.
I think there were people beforeher, but she's kind of the
biggest one of my era. And now,I guess she's not Princess
Meghan anymore. Meghan Marklehas her lifestyle I find

(11:01):
lifestyle people

Mark (11:03):
Yes.

Sarah (11:04):
Really annoying.

Mark (11:05):
I can absolutely understand and they do it they
make her look incredibly Oh,type A. She's horrible. She is a
horrible person.

Sarah (11:16):
Not only is she super uptight, controlling, vicious,
but she's inauthentic. She stoleall the recipes that she's
famous and she's incredibly badto her kids.

Mark (11:30):
No wonder she gets forked, and not just wanting to do it
with the artisanal cheese maker.

Sarah (11:37):
I mean, say what you want to about Martha. She went to
prison and all that, but I thinkshe actually lives the lifestyle
that she was promoting. Like sheactually likes to throw parties
and make people happy and havecompany. Yeah. You know?
This woman's just thief. She'spretending to be all those
things. And I find itinteresting that Sims says,

(11:58):
well, she self published all ofher books, so she's falling in I

Mark (12:01):
have a note that says self publishing doesn't work like

Sarah (12:04):
doesn't pay.

Mark (12:05):
As a self publisher of comic books, that's not how

Sarah (12:08):
that works. I think what they were trying to imply is
that she kept all the profits,you know, like Yeah.

Mark (12:13):
That's not how publishing works.

Sarah (12:15):
How publishing really works.

Mark (12:18):
Also, the world's most stupid human being shows up.

Sarah (12:23):
Who

Mark (12:23):
is? Frodo's cousin. Johnny Odes. Johnny Odes.

Sarah (12:29):
Petra is there because Dylan is there. Yes. She's not
Petra McCracken. No. She leftWillie in the car.
Yeah. That's bad. No. Why didn'tyou leave Willie at home?

Mark (12:42):
Mike should have went and opened up the car

Sarah (12:45):
Free Willy. And

Mark (12:46):
freed Willie.

Sarah (12:49):
I don't care what Sophie likes, whether there can be dogs
there or not.

Mark (12:53):
Like, I understand that you don't want to have a dog if
you don't have to in this scene.Because animals are a whole
different

Sarah (13:01):
I get it too. Leave him at home. Don't advocate for
leaving a dog in the car.

Mark (13:06):
Can understand that, right? But you just say, oh,
he's around here somewhere.

Sarah (13:10):
Or he's at home. He was asleep on, you know, on the
couch when we left.

Mark (13:15):
Yeah.

Sarah (13:16):
Talk about leaving him in the car. Just don't

Mark (13:19):
leave a dog in the car.

Sarah (13:20):
And then there's Cressida. Yes. She of the
horrible bad wig.

Mark (13:25):
Cressida's wig is bad. It apparently leaks in the shower
or like what like it leavesdregs in the shower. I don't
know what you would call

Sarah (13:38):
I think they made her wear the bad wig only so they
could say that she has grayhair. Yeah. So they could say
that she looks older thanSophie, and like, why is Rory
having an affair with an olderwoman? She's not older. Her hair
is just gray.
Oh, and I found these gray hairsand they can't be mine. Like she
could have been a bleach blondeor a ginger. She could have had

(14:02):
bright red hair. Yeah. Orwhatever hair that actress has.

Mark (14:06):
Yes.

Sarah (14:07):
That wig

Mark (14:08):
is so because it's not that red hair.

Sarah (14:10):
It's just horrific. It's so it was distracting.

Mark (14:13):
I have a note that says gray haired wigs don't work like
that.

Sarah (14:17):
Well, it's straight wigs don't work

Mark (14:20):
like that.

Sarah (14:20):
Yeah. Like, was, like, sticking I'm sorry. We're going
on about it. She makes chutney.Yes.
Do you like chutney?

Mark (14:26):
I like tamarind chutney on Papa Don's. Yeah. I realize that
in the the podcast about food byJames A. Castor and what's his
name?

Sarah (14:41):
Gamble. Gamble. Gamble.

Mark (14:43):
Asked the question It's called

Sarah (14:44):
off menu. Papa Dums are bread. Papa Dums are bread.

Mark (14:46):
I am solidly in the Papa Dons category. Papa Dons and and
tamarind chutney is a joy inlife. Yes. But I'm not really a
chutney person other than that.

Sarah (14:59):
Because it's cooked fruit.

Mark (15:00):
It is cooked fruit.

Sarah (15:01):
Well, mean and it almost always includes some kind of
fruit.

Mark (15:06):
Yes.

Sarah (15:06):
Know. Though it can include all kinds of other
things.

Mark (15:09):
I do like raw cold fruit. That is what I like.

Sarah (15:12):
Dear listeners, Mark is a man of mysteries and
dichotomies. He's complex. Andone of the ways that he is
complex is his hatred of pie. Donot like pie. Now when we met
and he said he didn't like pie,he said it was because crust.

(15:34):
He does

Mark (15:34):
not like I don't like the crust.

Sarah (15:36):
Pie crust.

Mark (15:36):
No. I do not like pie crust.

Sarah (15:38):
Years later, it became I don't just dislike pie crust, I
dislike warm cooked fruit.

Mark (15:44):
I dislike warm fruit. Yes.

Sarah (15:47):
So I said, well, how about room temperature cobbler?

Mark (15:52):
By the way

Sarah (15:53):
No crust, just crumble on top. Would you eat that?

Mark (15:56):
This is a hobby of everyone in my life, trying to
figure out what I would eat.

Sarah (16:01):
When it comes to pie, fruit pie related

Mark (16:05):
Yes.

Sarah (16:05):
But I've also seen you eat an empanada. A warm
empanada.

Mark (16:12):
I didn't enjoy it. It had a lot of caramel sauce.

Sarah (16:16):
You say that now. You woofed it down. It had cinnamon
sugar on it. It was fried, andyou ate it.

Mark (16:21):
But it didn't have pie crust.

Sarah (16:24):
The biggest so there's there's two

Mark (16:27):
I blame Madonna in this, Madonna being my mother, not
Madonna the singer.

Sarah (16:31):
There's two chutneys outside of India and Indian food
that are a big deal. I'll saythey're colonial chutneys
because they're British

Mark (16:41):
Yes.

Sarah (16:41):
And definitely came out of British colonial India.

Mark (16:46):
Yes.

Sarah (16:46):
Right? But they're still around. Yes. One is called
Branston pickle Yes. Which hasnothing to do with pickles.

Mark (16:53):
Okay. I don't like pickles. I

Sarah (16:57):
know. He's not really a picky eater. He'll basically eat
an onion whole and raw, but,know, God forbid, it's a pickle.
Branston pickle is almost likebrown sauce. Like, it's very
raisiny.

Mark (17:15):
Raisiny.

Sarah (17:16):
Okay. But it has tamarind and a lot of vinegar.

Mark (17:20):
Like A1?

Sarah (17:21):
Yeah. I think A1 is basically like really finely
blended sauce made out ofBranston pickle more or Then

Mark (17:32):
I would try that. Because I like

Sarah (17:34):
But it's chunky. It's chunky I like the A1.

Mark (17:37):
I would have it on a hamburger. If somebody said, you
should try this on a hamburger,I would try it.

Sarah (17:43):
Then there's major gray chutney.

Mark (17:45):
Okay.

Sarah (17:45):
Which is mango, raisin, vinegar, lime, onion, tamarind,
very similar. Yes. Cool or warm?It's it's chutney. It's a
condiment.
Room temperature. Okay. I guess.You probably keep it in the
fridge.

Mark (18:00):
Yeah. Would try that. That's probably what the red
chutney like material that comeswith our Indian food is supposed
to be like?

Sarah (18:08):
It's probably more authentic than major gray. I
think major gray is the BritishBritishification of that.

Mark (18:15):
They stole our chutney.

Sarah (18:16):
I found a couple of others that I would definitely
try.

Mark (18:18):
Okay.

Sarah (18:19):
Apple and cider brandy chutney.

Mark (18:22):
Oh, would totally try that.

Sarah (18:24):
No, you wouldn't. It's cooked apples.

Mark (18:28):
If it was cool. I don't like

Sarah (18:31):
soft, like super soft fruit. Okay. But chutney is like
it's by definition, it's likecooked down and reduced. That's
what makes it a chutney.

Mark (18:41):
I know.

Sarah (18:42):
Sour cherry and cardamom. Oh. That sounds good. One I
found that I would not eat iscalled chapta chutney. Okay.
And it is an authentic Indianchutney made from red ants. No.
No? No. Thank you.

Mark (18:59):
My communist mother sisters are not want something
I'd like to eat. Not

Sarah (19:03):
aunts. Ants. Around here, we have pawpaws and we have
persimmons. Yes. And I wonder ifanybody makes chutney out of I
don't one of those.

Mark (19:12):
So the chutney they talk about

Sarah (19:14):
In Indiana, people will wrestle you to the ground to hop
a fence to steal paw paws fromsomebody's yard. I've never had
one. I don't under they tastekind of like a mango crust with
a banana. They're very tropicalfor Indiana.

Mark (19:28):
Almost twenty five years and they haven't had

Sarah (19:30):
They grow they grow all the way up into Ontario.

Mark (19:32):
Yeah. Never had one. The chutney here is not a tamarind
chutney. Tamarillo. Tamarillowhich we were wondering if it
was the same thing.
No. It is not. Tamarillo isknown in New Zealand as a tree
tomato.

Sarah (19:48):
It looks like a cross between a tomato and a peach.

Mark (19:51):
Yeah. Kind of.

Sarah (19:52):
And I wonder

Mark (19:53):
what it tastes like. Doesn't

Sarah (19:54):
taste like either.

Mark (19:56):
Our New Zealand listeners, please tell us.

Sarah (19:58):
What does a tamarillo

Mark (19:59):
taste like? Taste look like? What

Sarah (20:01):
does it taste? I think this chutney would taste like a
cooked salsa. Yeah. I think so.That's what I'm what I'm
thinking.

Mark (20:08):
I do love a good salsa.

Sarah (20:09):
There's a joke about Sims being bribed Yes. With chutney.
Could I bribe you with anycondiment?

Mark (20:15):
Maple syrup.

Sarah (20:17):
Yeah, that's true. You do just about anything for me.

Mark (20:19):
Proper maple syrup.

Sarah (20:20):
You're so Canadian. Yes. You're so stereotypical. As long
as it's not on a pie. Who would

Mark (20:26):
put maple syrup on a pie?

Sarah (20:29):
Oh, I can imagine like a sugar cream pie made with maple
syrup would be so good. No. I'mhungry.

Mark (20:35):
No. I'm also hungry, but not for pie. I wish I could have
some of that artisanal cheese,but since I cannot come within
50 yards of dairy now.

Sarah (20:46):
I know. I'm I'm gonna put some cheese on the grocery list
this week and eat it behind yourback. Sharp cheddar. Oh.

Mark (20:53):
My favorite.

Sarah (20:56):
There's perfectly good nondairy cheeses out there now,
and you can try all of them.

Mark (21:01):
Yes. So she stumbles out with a fork in her back.

Sarah (21:05):
Now Not just stumbles out. She pushes open giant barn
double doors Yes. Stands theredramatically, and then falls
forward with a pitchfork in herback.

Mark (21:16):
I'm going to say we got through the discussion of Cold
Comfort Farm without me talkingmuch about this but I'm going to
say that this is not a barn.

Sarah (21:26):
Why not?

Mark (21:26):
It is a hobby barn because no animals have ever been in
this barn and it's not full ofdirt.

Sarah (21:34):
Like Now wait

Mark (21:35):
a super nice. Like you could live in this barn. You
could eat off the rafters.

Sarah (21:40):
Okay. I'll give you that the rafters in this barn are way
too nice. The beam that falls onher Yes. Is like the kind of
beam that it's an investmentbeam

Mark (21:52):
Yes.

Sarah (21:53):
That you would buy to go as a feature in your new vaulted
living room. Yes. Right? It'svery nice. Okay?
It's also made of foam. It'shard to make that kind of thing
look too rough. But I'm going todisagree with you on the rest of
it. There doesn't have to beanimals in the barn for it to be
a barn because you can be agrain farmer and have a barn.

Mark (22:13):
You could,

Sarah (22:14):
but still The outside of it is rough. There's gaps in the
woodwork. There's sun shining inwhere there shouldn't be.
There's hay. It's a dirt a hobbybarn.
Dirt floor.

Mark (22:26):
No. It's a hobby barn.

Sarah (22:27):
Okay. You can call it a hobby barn if you want. Because
we're talking about Sophie beingdead, we may as well talk about
how she dies. We've it's aspoiler podcast, everybody knows
it, okay? She's been pitchforkedin the back.
Yes. It has missed her spine,Gina says. So it's a three
pronged pitchfork, which meansit's slightly off center. Yes.
So two of the tines arestraddling her spine.

(22:50):
Now, we have seen many a deathby pitchfork,

Mark (22:52):
Yes.

Sarah (22:53):
Including Orlando Bloom in Midsummer. The

Mark (22:56):
most famous pitchforking.

Sarah (22:58):
He gets pitchforked in the front. Yes. Right? He's
standing still facing the personand they pitchfork him in the
gut.

Mark (23:05):
Oh my gosh. I remember when we covered that episode of
Midsommar, I did think that'sDark Autumn, I think the name of
that episode. I rememberthinking we went over that
murder very pedantically. Iremember thinking, we're really
going over this in minutedetail. It was like, two hundred

(23:28):
and forty episodes later.

Sarah (23:31):
I think it would be much harder to pitchfork somebody in
the back. Because you're muchless squishy on your back.

Mark (23:38):
I think it would be near impossible.

Sarah (23:41):
Especially if she's not like against like if she was
against a wall and you did it,like face facing a wall Yes. I
think you could do it.

Mark (23:50):
Well, this was the problem that we had with Orlando Bloom.
Why did he just not back up?

Sarah (23:55):
Yeah. Or get knocked backwards. Yes. Like, you think
it would knock you backwardsbefore it would impale you.

Mark (24:00):
And if she had fallen down and he had jabbed it into her

Sarah (24:04):
Staked her?

Mark (24:05):
On the ground, it would have been different. But she
wouldn't have got up

Sarah (24:08):
from that. No. But she is moving away from him. So the
momentum is with her to fallforward if the pitchfork hits
her. Yes.
Not go through her. I don'tthink it would work. I don't
think I'm just saying it rightthere. Plus she's a bad corpse.
She's clearly breathing.

Mark (24:26):
Yes. She is clearly breathing. But the body bag is
fantastic with the pointedstitches.

Sarah (24:31):
Yes. Gina cuts it off. You'd have to. Or you'd have to
put her in with the zipperaround the handle and it would
just be sticking out and thenyou wouldn't be able to preserve
the forensic

Mark (24:44):
The other problem I have with this, and this is like the
half of the episode, They keepsaying this could be an
accident. How could this be anaccident?

Sarah (24:54):
Well, one reason they're saying it is because they don't
wanna tell people who weren'tthere about the details, and you
don't wanna presume anything.You don't wanna be like,
definitely murder, because youknow, until they rule it out as
being basically impossible, shecouldn't have. But then Cressida

(25:14):
and Rosie, the donut lady, we'venot mentioned yet, are talking
and Rosie's like, well, we can'tgo in the barn. It's a crime
scene?

Mark (25:22):
Yeah. Well, It's a crime scene.

Sarah (25:24):
She didn't do it to herself. Even if

Mark (25:26):
it was an accident, it would still be a crime scene.

Sarah (25:30):
Yeah. So the big the the beautiful beam has fallen. That
doesn't kill her.

Mark (25:37):
Mike is suddenly afraid of heights. He's sometimes afraid
of heights and sometimes not.

Sarah (25:41):
I'm not going up there. Especially with the ramshackle
way those railings are puttogether. They're like two by
fours that are just overlappingwith a few nails.

Mark (25:51):
Again. Uh-uh.

Sarah (25:52):
No. That is not solid building construction.

Mark (25:55):
Again. Hobby barn? Hobby barn. Hobby barn. Real barns
don't have railings.

Sarah (26:01):
A real barn just lets you fall.

Mark (26:03):
Yes. I cannot believe the things I did as a child on her
in our barn. Didn't Oh, Did you35 feet in the air walking along
a a one foot wide beam all theway

Sarah (26:17):
over That's rickety and crappy and might break.

Mark (26:19):
Yeah.

Sarah (26:20):
Did you dance on it on one foot?

Mark (26:22):
Nope. I did not do that.

Sarah (26:24):
I love Mike has Gina on speaker, and he's walking with
Chalmers. Yeah. And she's like,I need you. I need you right
now, Mike. I want you here.
I am dancing on one foot. Yes.And Chalmers is trying not to
lose

Mark (26:37):
it. Yes.

Sarah (26:39):
But then the worst thing, the most I think disturbing bit
of this episode gets revealed.The reason why Gina is so worked
up is that she has taken offSophie's clothes and found that
her body is marked up like ananimal to be butchered.

Mark (26:57):
And they go to find her children and talk to

Sarah (27:01):
them. Mhmm.

Mark (27:02):
And that produces the worst part of the episode for
me.

Sarah (27:06):
Hazel and Arlo.

Mark (27:07):
Hazel has headphones on and Arlo is playing music. Can
there not be a worse scenarioever?

Sarah (27:15):
That's what bothers you?

Mark (27:17):
Oh my gosh. I was like

Sarah (27:19):
Well, at I was like, wait a minute,

Mark (27:21):
this stupid Your headphones got in my music.

Sarah (27:23):
Why does she have headphones on if she's also
listening to I

Mark (27:27):
have that note, and then I'm like, oh, Arlo's listening
me.

Sarah (27:30):
I think it's wonderful because they're each able to
listen to their music withoutarguing about it. Now, could he
have headphones on or they haveheadphones on too? Yes. Yes,
they could both have headphoneson, But then no one would hear
the door, ever.

Mark (27:47):
And poor Sims is like, can I talk to your dad? So she calls
the dad and says you need tocome home right now.

Sarah (27:55):
Mhmm.

Mark (27:56):
And suddenly with his magic motorcycle and we'll get
to how magic it is later on, heteleports home. The Ducati?

Sarah (28:04):
Yes. Well I think there's supposed to be a very
uncomfortable like twentyminutes while Sims

Mark (28:10):
just Can you imagine that twenty minutes?

Sarah (28:13):
Wow. It would be the longest time of your life.

Mark (28:16):
And meanwhile, Mike's texting pictures of writing on
the body.

Sarah (28:22):
Check out this Chuck.

Mark (28:24):
They keep making a reference to American Gothic
here, the painting. It's himthat has the pitchfork, not
Yeah.

Sarah (28:34):
Yeah. She doesn't hold anything, does she? She just
stands She

Mark (28:37):
just stands there.

Sarah (28:38):
Yeah, when Sims calls him, he is at the Duduck Inn
ordering a macchiato.

Mark (28:44):
Yep. And he has to explain to the

Sarah (28:46):
More than their fancy coffees. If they have an
espresso machine,

Mark (28:52):
they know what a macchiato If

Sarah (28:54):
they don't, they don't. Yeah. He's not getting a
macchiato. Because it means theydon't have an espresso machine.
Why is it called the doo doockin?
Is that like the is it like adoo stop in? I don't know. Do
they have a short door andthey're making fun of it?

Mark (29:15):
When we get to the the the reveal of the stupidity of
Johnny Oates, this whole plotrevolves around Johnny Oates
being as stupid in his innercircle as he is in the outer
circle. The circle of law. So

Sarah (29:35):
Yeah. Because Rory's there ordering his macchiato
basically to build an alibi.

Mark (29:40):
Yes. And I'd also like to say that Mike would be removed
from this case immediatelybecause his ex wife is a
suspect.

Sarah (29:47):
But she's not.

Mark (29:49):
Well, we don't know. Pete's there. Pete should be
selling not beef, but Peteshould be selling red herring.

Sarah (29:59):
He's just grumpy old dude.

Mark (30:01):
He's just grumpy old dude.

Sarah (30:02):
Before him, it was Trudy's husband who was grumpy
old dude. Yep. Now he's gone,and it's just Pete.

Mark (30:10):
Pete's So I have a problem. The problem I

Sarah (30:14):
have is Is it your pie problem? No. Pete shows

Mark (30:18):
the cops the map of where he was supposed to be and where
he was supposed to park. We'venot And he's upset about this.

Sarah (30:27):
We try not to just summarize the episode. Yeah. But
in case it's been a while sinceyou've seen it, the reason why
there's a map is that Sophie haspurchased the barn, the farm,
and the farmer's market, and allthe land from Cressida.

Mark (30:40):
And changed everything

Sarah (30:41):
to So Sophie is now in charge of the market and gets to
make all the rules, includingwhere Pete has to sell his meat,
which is right next to TimmyTime on her poorly drawn map.
For a control freak like that,you think she would have used
like like Visio. Like CAD orsomething to draw At

Mark (31:00):
least PowerPoint. Yeah. It should have a scale on it.

Sarah (31:03):
It's a hand drawn map.

Mark (31:04):
It's a very badly made map. I'll put a picture of it in
the show notes.

Sarah (31:08):
And did that bother you?

Mark (31:09):
It did. She's down to the minute planner.

Sarah (31:12):
Yeah, literally. And I don't know. She's all uptight
about the schedule for everybodybringing in their dishes that
she can arrange them for thephotographer who's supposed to

Mark (31:20):
show me Who never shows.

Sarah (31:22):
They say he couldn't get in either. That's what they say.
But he's gonna appear at 08:45and just take photos? Just I'm
here.

Mark (31:31):
I think he found a dog in a car in the parking lot and
rescued the dog.

Sarah (31:36):
Rescued Willie. He freed Willie. Yeah. We've talked about
Cressida's bad hair. Yes.
Can we talk about her movingtechnique?

Mark (31:42):
Oh, these people don't understand how you move.

Sarah (31:46):
Well, the way Cressida moves is to pack individual
boxes and put them in herdriveway. Yes. While dressed as
C. B. Nix.

Mark (31:54):
Yes. Not what you wear to get dressed

Sarah (31:58):
To move.

Mark (31:59):
To move.

Sarah (32:00):
Plus, there is no indication inside the house that
anything is being moved. No. No.I don't know where these boxes
came from, but they're not fromthe living space. Her kitchen is
okay.
I do. Petra's kitchen is muchnicer. I like Petra's kitchen
better.

Mark (32:16):
Petra's kitchen is much nicer.

Sarah (32:18):
It's very white.

Mark (32:20):
The problem with Petra's Petra's kitchen is not only does
it stink of artisanal cheese, italso stinks of red herring.

Sarah (32:28):
Well, there's something about the interview with Dylan
and Petra I don't understand.Yes. So when Mike goes to talk
to them Yes. He's at theirrestaurant. Yes.
And at I didn't quite understandthat. I'm like, why do they have
so many tables that you can sitat in their house? Yes. And I'm
like, Okay, no, no, we've gotbookings. Okay, it's a
restaurant.
Okay. And then Petra's like, wecan't keep talking to you. We're

(32:52):
all booked up, right? So they'revery busy. Okay.
So Mike and Sims leave, and theystop outside to have a
conversation. Petra comes out

Mark (33:03):
And goes, why are you still here? He's like, you just
left.

Sarah (33:07):
But then Mike and Petra go off to Petra's house and have
a conversation and a glass ofwine and some I thought she was
super busy.

Mark (33:13):
It's so weird.

Sarah (33:15):
I don't get that. Yeah. But I love how big her kitchen
island is.

Mark (33:18):
She has a beautiful island. It's just

Sarah (33:22):
I want it. It looks like it's got a slate top. It's so
nice.

Mark (33:26):
You have to understand that we're thinking of doing
renovations in the next eighteento twenty four months. So we're
looking at a lot of houses. Andin addition, our house is laid
out in such an improper way thatwe have to essentially go
through 15 doorways to get thedog out in the morning.

Sarah (33:45):
And our kitchen is like a Gordian knot

Mark (33:47):
in the middle

Sarah (33:48):
of our house. So Dylan is the one who brought the
pitchfork to the barn because hehas a collection of farm
implements. Yeah. So there's,again, no way it's sharp enough
to impale somebody on. Tetanus,yes.
Impalement,

Mark (34:04):
no. Also, hobby pitchfork. Everything is hobby about these
people.

Sarah (34:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What did you think about Sophie and
Rory's house while we're talkingabout houses?

Mark (34:16):
Sophie and Rory's house is incredibly beautiful and like no
self published book ever paidfor a house like that and bought
a Ducati.

Sarah (34:27):
I don't know, wasn't Twilight self published the one?
It might. Still. Yeah, they'redoing all right for themselves.
He says, we didn't have lifeinsurance.
Rory does because we have nodebt. Yeah. Like, oh, so you've
got two kids who are nearlycollege age, a Ducati. This
house, seemingly, I would assumeSophie's got some kind of

(34:49):
vehicle and her own business,and you have no debt. Yep.
Oh, must be nice.

Mark (34:54):
Well, know, self publishing.

Sarah (34:56):
Plus, don't think he works. Think it's just her
business.

Mark (35:00):
Well, what he does is try not to knock off his
girlfriend's wig. That she's notwearing.

Sarah (35:09):
Yes. His girlfriend who is a thief, she steals the red
recipe book. Rosie's red recipebook.

Mark (35:16):
Okay. So this recipe book was originally the baker's mom's
Rosie donuts book.

Sarah (35:22):
Yeah.

Mark (35:23):
Yeah. And then is stolen by Sophie. Sophie. And then
while she's laying there dead,Cressida sneaks in and takes the
book back. Yeah.
And hides it like

Sarah (35:38):
okay. You're in a

Mark (35:39):
room, you don't shove things

Sarah (35:40):
in a No. Well, was on the table Yeah. Where she just put
the stolen item from the crimescene.

Mark (35:47):
Now one thing that we haven't mentioned about Rosie is
she kinda looks like anotherperson in the episode. Who? Did
you notice that? No. She lookslike Mrs.
M because she's Mrs. M's actualdaughter.

Sarah (36:00):
Oh. Donut Rosie is Mrs. Marlowe's the actresses are
related?

Mark (36:05):
The actresses are mother and daughter. I have

Sarah (36:08):
to look at them again to see the resemblance because it
didn't hit me but Rosie's inlike Mrs. M has quite the
aesthetic.

Mark (36:15):
The episode for like five With the

Sarah (36:17):
sunglasses and the beret. Yes. Hanging out by the toilet
She

Mark (36:22):
sells quilting stuff. How much quilting do you have to do
to sell it on a regular basis?Like, you've got to be quilting
all the time.

Sarah (36:30):
Depends what you make. If you make quilted trivets or wall
hangings

Mark (36:34):
I suppose.

Sarah (36:35):
Depends whether you use a machine to do it or not. You can
churn some stuff out.

Mark (36:39):
I guess. Wow. So I was very Let's deal let's deal with
the thing that you brought up,which is the writing on the
body, who did it, why they didit Before and why it's creepy.

Sarah (36:51):
Before we do that, but related to it Okay. I was really
uncomfortable when Gina shows upin the raincoat. Yeah. In the
trench coat.

Mark (36:59):
Oh my gosh. She flashes Mike.

Sarah (37:02):
I think she's got a negligee on. Maybe?

Mark (37:08):
Like That that crosses the line.

Sarah (37:10):
It's very She

Mark (37:11):
could not have been there. She she could have done it on
her arms. Yes. She didn't needto do that. She opens the coat.
It's played for comedy and we'vetalked about it playing played
for comedy, but that crosses theline.

Sarah (37:24):
It's too far. You're right. She could have drawn a
line on her arm, and then drawnanother one and drawn another
one and tried to wash one off tosee how long they would last.

Mark (37:34):
Yeah. I think even like, if Sims walks in at that point
in time, she's got a report.

Sarah (37:40):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That Gina's in there in lingerie.
Yeah. Never mind that she drovethere like that.
Yeah. It's unprofessional. BadGina.

Mark (37:49):
Driving around in lingerie is a whole different thing.

Sarah (37:53):
And the so so she she does that to see, they're trying
to estimate when somebody drewon Sophie. Like they're trying
to figure that out.

Mark (38:00):
So remember Sophie's covered with

Sarah (38:03):
Marked up, mark ups like a butcher.

Mark (38:05):
Like a butcher does.

Sarah (38:07):
Including the word Chuck in her cleavage. Yes. Like
literally in her cleavage itsays Chuck.

Mark (38:12):
Now this we find out that this is a not as evil as we
think it is but b more

Sarah (38:22):
Just as upsetting. Yeah. Just as blech. Yeah. Because
initially you think, oh my gosh,the killer was like

Mark (38:31):
Seeing her as meat? As gonna butcher her?

Sarah (38:35):
Cut her up or something. But the killer couldn't have
stripped her down in the barn inthe two point two minutes
between Cheesy Dylan leaving andher getting killed. So it had to
have been there before. Okay, sohow did that happen? Well, she's

(38:56):
an alcoholic and takes tramadol.
Yep. So she knocked herself out.And then her two children
stripped her naked and drew onher unconscious body.

Mark (39:08):
It's the thing I don't like most about this episode.
Like, they could have written onher arms and so she had to wear
long sleeves. Yeah. And it wouldhave been like it's dramatic,
it's visual, I understand whatthey were going for, but it just
doesn't hit.

Sarah (39:27):
Like if they wanted to, so what Hazel wants to do is
drive home the idea that meat ismurder. Yes. And meat is cruel.
And Sophie is very cruel. Iunderstand Hazel's motivation to
want to put her mom in aposition where she's
embarrassed.

Mark (39:43):
She's incredibly cruel to both of her children.

Sarah (39:45):
Oh, she's so mean. And if she had drawn a dotted line
around her elbow and put likeleg of lamb on her forearms or
something, you know, or even, Idon't know, written killer on
her forehead.

Mark (40:01):
Or something.

Sarah (40:02):
But to mark her up so completely while she was
unconscious, passed out in herown bed Yeah. Is it's like a
almost like a crime. Really?

Mark (40:13):
Yeah. And it's it's I wouldn't touch my mom.

Sarah (40:16):
No. No. Like Like, even if they didn't strip her naked,
let's just say that she's in,like, a tank top and shorts.
Yeah. There's still, pull hertank top down so I can write
this in her cleavage.
Okay. Flip her over. Pull hershorts up so I can write this on
her butt cheek.

Mark (40:33):
And they estimate it probably took two hours to do.

Sarah (40:37):
I don't know that it would have taken that long, but
it would have taken a while.Maybe they could have just
figured it out by thehandwriting.

Mark (40:42):
Maybe.

Sarah (40:43):
Other than for the sake of diversity, the fact that Arlo
is non gender specific is justan opportunity for Sophie to be
mean to somebody.

Mark (40:54):
Yeah. At I was I'm really

Sarah (40:56):
glad that they're not afraid of her, and they are
absolutely themselves, and don'thide who they are. Yeah. But to
then say, Okay, and both of herchildren were involved in doing
this to her is almost, almostinsinuating that it would be
something that somebody likeArlo would do.

Mark (41:18):
Yeah. Like they get

Sarah (41:19):
They don't say it and I'm glad they don't.

Mark (41:21):
The Arlo part, they get so right and then they go wrong.
Mhmm. Because they aredefinitely going with the story
is it's no story. Yeah. Everyonejust accepts Arlo for what they
are.
Yep. And that's cool.

Sarah (41:34):
Right.

Mark (41:35):
And that's the way it should be of course.

Sarah (41:37):
Absolutely. And And Arlo and Hazel are close.

Mark (41:41):
When she's mad, the mom says hurtful things

Sarah (41:45):
Yep.

Mark (41:45):
That Everybody Marlo is gonna feel. Yep. Okay? That's a
great storyline. Yep.
I don't think the mom isactually homophobic.

Sarah (41:55):
No, just think she's utterly intolerant of anybody
who's out of

Mark (41:58):
line. And I think she's mad and frazzled. Mhmm. But the
whole we drew on mom naked

Sarah (42:06):
While she was unconscious.

Mark (42:07):
It's just wrong. Yeah. It shouldn't be there. I didn't
like it at all.

Sarah (42:11):
No. It is it is very striking.

Mark (42:14):
Never mind the

Sarah (42:15):
fact When they reveal it.

Mark (42:16):
Yeah. Never mind the fact that the mom is openly pawing
other people.

Sarah (42:23):
Oh. She's bad in every way, which a good victim is
because you're not sorry thatthey're dead. Yeah. Okay. Let's
move on to something fun.
Johnny is an entrepreneur now. Ilove when he's mowing the lawn
at Sophie's and he sees Mike andhe like steps on the gas. He
goes really fast. I'm out ofhere.

Mark (42:45):
So Johnny Oates is an interesting dude because well of
all we thought he was in prison.He's not in prison.

Sarah (42:53):
He's out.

Mark (42:53):
He's gonna be in prison. The Odes family episode is the
episode of season of the nextseason. So I think that's the
one where he goes to prison.

Sarah (43:06):
It I think the Odes except for Frodo have sort of a
rotating door for the prison.Yes.

Mark (43:11):
I think they're well known.

Sarah (43:12):
There may be an Odes wing. Yes. You know, where they
can all hang out.

Mark (43:17):
But the idea here is this. And they do a brilliant goof on
on True Detective here. Right?So True Detective was an HBO
series. Season one includedMatthew McConaughey giving this
weird speech while drinkingcanned beer about how time is a

(43:42):
flat circle.
Yes. Right? It works in thatshow. Yes. Okay?
They are totally goofing on it

Sarah (43:50):
too. It works for Johnny too.

Mark (43:52):
So Johnny tells about circles.

Sarah (43:55):
He does things outside the circle of law, and they're
like, oh, law is a circle? He'slike, yeah, like the circle of
life, but it's a circle of law.And sometimes I do things
outside it. It's like a big acircle of life is the big
circle. Yes.
And then inside of it is thecircle of law. Chalmers and Mike
are sitting there going, no,they're the same size. Like,

(44:17):
they're the same circle. Never

Mark (44:19):
mind the fact that circle of life is a circle because it's
a cycle, not a No.

Sarah (44:26):
It's the circle of life. It's the circle that contains
it's a Venn diagram

Mark (44:30):
Yes.

Sarah (44:31):
Where one circle is inside the other circle.

Mark (44:35):
So so now Johnny freely admits that sometimes he does
things that may be outside thecircle of law.

Sarah (44:43):
Yes. And he gets away with it by just closing his
eyes.

Mark (44:47):
Yes. Someone has offered you a $30,000 motorcycle to
publish to to post

Sarah (44:58):
A letter.

Mark (44:59):
A card. Yeah. It's clearly a card.

Sarah (45:01):
A birthday card.

Mark (45:02):
And to take a ride and get some gas. Yeah. Okay. He is the
stupidest human being on theplane.

Sarah (45:10):
Well, he says he thinks that Rory is like just covering
up for an affair. Okay. That's areally expensive rendezvous.

Mark (45:17):
Even if he's covering up for an affair, he's still
stupid.

Sarah (45:22):
Now if Rory had said, look, Johnny, I got this thing
on the side, and it'd be reallyconvenient for me if every
Sunday when I say I'm gonna gofor a ride on my bike, if you
would take my bike out, go to afew places, be seen Yep. So I
can be doing what I wanna do andnobody will know that I wasn't

(45:44):
doing what I said I was. You cankeep the bike.

Mark (45:47):
No. No. That's the problem

Sarah (45:49):
I have.

Mark (45:49):
Right. Is you can keep the bike. It's a $30,000

Sarah (45:53):
Ducati.

Mark (45:54):
No. The Ducati is an 80,000 dollars Okay?

Sarah (46:01):
Does he get to keep the bike in the end?

Mark (46:03):
Well, we'll get to the end. Okay. There's all sorts of
stuff again.

Sarah (46:06):
But, you know, Johnny is he's used to being outside the
circle of law. You know?

Mark (46:15):
As a chick magnet, do you exist inside them? I love Sims
face

Sarah (46:22):
when he

Mark (46:22):
says chick magnet.

Sarah (46:25):
Well, does have that rose tattoo on his hand. I'm sure
women love that when he goes tobuy candy bars. If somebody
walked into a convenience storein in their leathers and their
helmet and their visor was down,I would

Mark (46:40):
be creeped out. You're in an eighties horror movie.

Sarah (46:43):
That's like wearing a ski mask.

Mark (46:45):
Yeah. There's some eighties horror movie where
there's a biker dressed likethat.

Sarah (46:50):
But there's it's not a real person inside it.
Something. It's like a bad, likea zombie

Mark (46:55):
Zombie or demon. Demon, I

Sarah (46:59):
just think it's really suspicious when somebody comes
in in a tinted visor and doesn'teven lift it up to make eye
contact with If they were out atthe pump, don't care. But if
they come in, you gotta at leastlift the visor. If not, take the
helmet off. Yeah. No shoes, noshirt, no taking your helmet
off, no service.

Mark (47:15):
I do love that they have to check with the butcher about
if he's having sex with Sophie.

Sarah (47:22):
Sophie. That made his day. Porking?

Mark (47:28):
Not in a million years. It's not even how you portion
out a human, and they both havea look like.

Sarah (47:36):
Every butcher's thought about it. Where's the ox tail
go? Like, well, if it was a man.

Mark (47:42):
We're meat puppets. I did a search for meat puppets. So
there's a band called Meat

Sarah (47:47):
Puppets. Yeah. But I don't You don't wanna search
that.

Mark (47:50):
I don't know if there's like an origin to that term.

Sarah (47:53):
I I don't know, but I every image I have of it is
gross. Yeah. So I don't wannaknow. If it was a dude who got
marked up that way, he couldhave an ox tail.

Mark (48:01):
I guess.

Sarah (48:04):
Or your tailbone, I guess.

Mark (48:05):
Yeah, I guess. Why does Sims hate apricot so much?

Sarah (48:08):
Oh, it's just an unexciting jam.

Mark (48:11):
I guess.

Sarah (48:12):
Apricot jellies, apricot preserves are good, but I mean,
like, as in pie and chutney withfruit, I I like that. Yes. For
the cooked fruit stuff, and Ithink apricot jam is good.

Mark (48:27):
Well, there's twice as many of it in the world for you
then.

Sarah (48:30):
All the pickles, sauerkraut, and jam in the
fridge are mine.

Mark (48:35):
Well, no, I like jam. It's raspberry jam on a piece of
toast.

Sarah (48:42):
Wait a minute.

Mark (48:44):
That's delicious.

Sarah (48:45):
That's pie filling. It may as well be pie

Mark (48:48):
It's not hot. It's not hot.

Sarah (48:50):
But it goes on warm toast. See what I have to live
with? This is what I have tolive with.

Mark (48:56):
I also have a weird thing where I have to have all my food
hot. Yeah. So Petra says

Sarah (49:07):
So you wouldn't eat cream tea?

Mark (49:08):
No. It's got dairy.

Sarah (49:10):
Well, you can't have dairy. But if you could, would
you eat clotted cream?

Mark (49:15):
No, plus tea is my He

Sarah (49:20):
doesn't like tea either.

Mark (49:22):
I'm totally against

Sarah (49:23):
tea. I have had cream tea before with the scone and the
clotted cream and the jam, andit is very good. But I have to
say, it may be a cultural thing.Clotted to me is not an
appetizing

Mark (49:34):
It's not a fun word.

Sarah (49:37):
But clotted cream is somewhere between whipped cream
and butter. It's really nice.

Mark (49:41):
So people have asked me, in fact Mo asked me this week
about culture shocks when Imoved here. The fact that you
people call it American cheeseis stunning to me because

Sarah (49:54):
You think we should just call it cheese?

Mark (49:55):
No. It That's the world, it's called processed cheese.

Sarah (50:01):
Not processed.

Mark (50:02):
Or processed. Processed.

Sarah (50:04):
On to preorder. You We're American.

Mark (50:08):
Get an It's

Sarah (50:08):
our fake cheese.

Mark (50:09):
You got an idea that it's fake cheese at that point in
time but in America you putstars and stripes right on that
cheese.

Sarah (50:16):
Dang right we do. Okay. It's American cheese. Artificial
and processed just like the rest

Mark (50:23):
of us. Take my It's good. Artisanal cheese.

Sarah (50:26):
I like all cheese except the really really stinky kinds
and I have to say thoughAmerican cheese isn't really
cheese, it's good.

Mark (50:34):
Yes. We find out that Sophie's husband and Cressida,
it comes out that they've beenhaving an affair.

Sarah (50:42):
Are you convinced by that? Do you buy their
relationship?

Mark (50:46):
Sort of. What I don't buy is she would not have gotten in
that relationship without him,like without knowing that he
would never leave his wife.

Sarah (50:56):
You don't think she would have gone out with him in the
place knowing he was married?Yes. I don't know. Sophie is so
awful that Cressida might have,in some part of her brain, saw
it as kind of revenge

Mark (51:09):
I think so.

Sarah (51:10):
To sleep with her

Mark (51:10):
Cressida is a broken, weird person.

Sarah (51:14):
I don't it wouldn't take much to be better than Sophie as
a partner.

Mark (51:19):
Yes. Right?

Sarah (51:20):
Like really, go out with Johnny, Rory. He's better than
that.

Mark (51:24):
Yes.

Sarah (51:24):
He's at least not mean.

Mark (51:26):
Yes.

Sarah (51:27):
But I don't, I'm just not convinced by their relationship
because she has, like, no warm,fuzzy, nurturing side at all.
You know? She's chutney StevieNicks with a bad wig. I just
don't buy their laying in thehay bales and being close to
think he could do better if hewas looking for somebody who was
kind.

Mark (51:46):
I'm gonna say this with as much innocence as possible. It's
not fun to do that in the haybales. I

Sarah (51:53):
don't think I'd even wanna lay in a hay bale. No.
Like fully dressed on a blanket.No, they scratch

Mark (51:58):
the shit out of you.

Sarah (51:59):
Well you see how much dust is kicked up constantly
when they're in the barn movingaround in the That's hobby dust
by

Mark (52:04):
the way.

Sarah (52:06):
It looks unpleasant to breathe and I know what it
smells like. Oh,

Mark (52:10):
okay.

Sarah (52:10):
Hot hay has a smell.

Mark (52:12):
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Sarah (52:13):
Yeah. You're like, trauma, trauma, trauma.

Mark (52:18):
So what has happened is Johnny has been basically
employed to provide an alibi.Yes. And they go to the Duck
Inn. And what is impressive tome is the Doo Duck Inn, the only
one I ever found, is not in NewZealand. It's Australia.

(52:38):
So those bikes went across thewater. It's a Chinese restaurant
in in in Australia.

Sarah (52:47):
If I had a really cool, like, bar, pub, and it was an
old place, so it had the lowerdoor thresholds Yeah. That you
could easily hit your head on, Imight call it the doo duck in.
But it's d o o duck. Oh. I guessit's better than d e w.

Mark (53:05):
It's doe duckin', really.

Sarah (53:08):
D o e?

Mark (53:09):
No. No. D o o That's do.

Sarah (53:12):
Yeah. I mean, it's not work.

Mark (53:13):
But it's not do. It's doe.

Sarah (53:16):
I've seen the doe drop in.

Mark (53:18):
Yes. And it's a play on that. But

Sarah (53:22):
But it doesn't exist in New Zealand. Yes. So you don't
know what this actual place is.

Mark (53:25):
I love how Johnny Oates, though in outside the circle of
law sometimes, gives him up intwo seconds.

Sarah (53:33):
Oh, yeah. He's a narc. Trudy may not be, but he is.

Mark (53:36):
Yeah. We get to the recreation

Sarah (53:39):
of the Mostly, he gives him up because he doesn't think
that anything is wrong. Yes.Like, he's like, yeah. He gave
me a $30,000 bike to post abirthday card. What of it?
The husband's trying

Mark (53:52):
to make this so dumb. Trying to make this look like an
accident.

Sarah (53:55):
Mhmm.

Mark (53:56):
of all, getting that beam that in reality would weigh 400
Oh, to do what he does. Yeah.No. No. of all, I went back and
watched this a couple

Sarah (54:08):
of Though it does look ouchy when it whacks her on the
back and knocks her down.

Mark (54:12):
It doesn't touch her. I'm I watched this several times.

Sarah (54:16):
Even if it did, it's made out of foam or something.

Mark (54:19):
I'm I was a little worried that it was bouncy. Yeah.
Because it's clearly foam. Yeah.It does it it falls like
something with a little weight,but not a huge amount of weight.
No. But they do a little forceperspective on that fall.

Sarah (54:35):
Yeah. That She throws herself to the ground while

Mark (54:37):
it's over her looks like it hits her, but it doesn't hit
her. Yeah. But then she has theworst two minutes of her life
because she looks up and seesher husband and at that moment
has to understand that she isabout to be replaced.

Sarah (54:54):
Mhmm.

Mark (54:55):
Because she knows about the affair at this point in So
she knows something has terriblygone wrong.

Sarah (55:02):
So she goes from, oh my gosh what happened that hurt?
Yes. To a beam fell on me. Tothere's my husband. Wait, he
must have dropped the beam onme.
And then watches his face go,it's She's

Mark (55:16):
not dead.

Sarah (55:17):
Wait, she's not dead. Wait, I gotta go finish her off.

Mark (55:21):
Climbs down. Oh, he's coming to help. No, no, he's not
coming to help No.

Sarah (55:27):
She's like, I'm gonna run. And he gets her. Yeah. It's
vicious.

Mark (55:33):
It is so vicious. And then, like, he is a horrible
man. He is a horrible man. He'sa killer. He's a bad killer on
top of it.

Sarah (55:43):
Their kids are orphans now.

Mark (55:44):
You don't involve other people in your alibi. No. But he
implies that Cressida made himdo it. Yeah. We never see
Cressida say anything like thatabout her.
She's mean. Cressida is jiltedand upset, but is not.

Sarah (56:02):
Well, and Mike says, so she told you to do it? And he
says, no. Like, she didn't putshe didn't specifically put him
up to it. She just

Mark (56:12):
said I think he realizes that what he was implying

Sarah (56:15):
was Yeah.

Mark (56:15):
And he's like, oh, no.

Sarah (56:17):
I'm not gonna be able to pull off. No. No. But Hazel and
Arlo are on their own.

Mark (56:21):
So Hazel and Arlo, so they are under 18 Mhmm. One would
assume. They're going to grandmaor grandpa's house with a
boatload of cash because mom'sdead

Sarah (56:33):
Mhmm.

Mark (56:33):
Dad's in jail. So they

Sarah (56:36):
I don't know. Even if you confess your your legal debts
are pretty big.

Mark (56:40):
Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. But I think they might be like,
we're not gonna go visit dad.

Sarah (56:46):
Hopefully, they'll just take the money and go off to
some posh college and live itup.

Mark (56:50):
I think they should. Mhmm. Where they can play their music
in two different ways at thesame time.

Sarah (56:57):
Is Johnny keeping the motorcycle?

Mark (56:58):
I don't know what what happened with the motorcycle
because okay. If I was thelawyer of the husband

Sarah (57:06):
Rory.

Mark (57:06):
Rory. If I was Rory's lawyer, I would say, we need to
talk to Johnny Oates to get thatbite back so we can sell it so
that you can fund your legalfees. Mhmm. Because I don't
think your wife estate is goingto pay your legal fees.

Sarah (57:21):
She left everything to him. But he can't profit

Mark (57:23):
from You can't profit

Sarah (57:24):
from her murder. So So I don't know if he has

Mark (57:28):
Though I watched the thing on legal myths the other day,
and I don't believe any of thisnow. Like, you might be able to
profit from

Sarah (57:35):
some faith test. It just depends how you do it. Depends.
Don't know how much money you'vegot to fight it.

Mark (57:41):
So I don't think Johnny Oates gets to keep the bike.

Sarah (57:44):
See, I don't know.

Mark (57:45):
But it well, maybe we see him again on the bike.

Sarah (57:47):
Because I could see the argument that he he got it in
exchange for committing a crime,but he wasn't committing a
crime.

Mark (57:55):
No. It would have to be

Sarah (57:57):
He's not an accessory. He had no idea what he was gonna
do. He thought it was weird.

Mark (58:01):
I'll tell you what it depends on. It depends on whose
name is on the deed, The the,like, the ownership of the bike.

Sarah (58:08):
I think it's gonna be Rory.

Mark (58:10):
If if it got transferred to Johnny

Sarah (58:14):
now Oh, yeah. Again because Johnny's big on the
legal paperwork.

Mark (58:17):
Johnny's not that smart. If it's Rory's name on that
paperwork, they're just gonna goget the bike.

Sarah (58:23):
Yeah. But if it's Johnny's, he's gonna be like

Mark (58:26):
That's

Sarah (58:26):
what that's

Mark (58:27):
his bike. He gave it to me. He gave it to you. Yeah.
Yeah.
Pete the butcher sells meat.

Sarah (58:33):
Rosie has her recipes back, but Sophie's already
published all of them. It's notlike she could do anything with
them except just have them back.

Mark (58:42):
She could sue her estate. I don't think Rosie's the kind
of person that would do that.

Sarah (58:47):
No. I think it's pretty clear that she's not interested
in that.

Mark (58:50):
If it was Cressida, I think Cressida would So

Sarah (58:54):
the sale of Cressida's land in the barn and all that
stuff is has gone through.

Mark (58:59):
Yeah. But it's implied that she kept the house because

Sarah (59:03):
They let her stay till she found someplace Yeah. She
says. Yeah. So Rory's not gonnatell her she's gotta go No.
Unless he has to sell it again.

Mark (59:14):
But they're done.

Sarah (59:15):
Well, yeah. But she might be able to stay, but she might
not want to. I don't know.

Mark (59:21):
It's not as if she's packed.

Sarah (59:23):
No, she's not ready to move by any means. How long is
Gina gonna have that writing onher? I think it's gonna be a
while. She's got some scrubbing,didn't

Mark (59:34):
she? She just got the Sharpie out.

Sarah (59:36):
Oh boy, who helped her? She said she had to have some
help.

Mark (59:40):
Yeah. Who helped her?

Sarah (59:42):
Her poor neighbor.

Mark (59:43):
Oh, I know who helped her. Who? The cop outside the door.
Most boring job in all of BrokenWoman. Wow.

Sarah (59:51):
That is something nasty in the market.

Mark (59:54):
Okay, folks. We're gonna take another week off because we
need a break and we did amillion So we will return with
season seven episode fivebecause remember this is the
first season with six episodes.Exposed to the light, which is
the cinema episode. Awesome.Which is funny because this

(01:00:16):
reminds me a lot of we did likea murder mystery thing with
Tegan and the explanationreminds me a lot of that.

Sarah (01:00:24):
Oh, of that little murder in a box that we did?
Interesting.

Mark (01:00:27):
So season seven episode five exposed to light.

Sarah (01:00:33):
If you like chutneys and you got a recipe, send it along.

Mark (01:00:37):
If your husband has weird food tastes

Sarah (01:00:40):
Don't Don't I'll sympathize with

Mark (01:00:43):
of him.

Sarah (01:00:46):
I love you, and you are easy to feed other than pie.

Mark (01:00:49):
I just don't like it.

Sarah (01:00:51):
But you're not picky.

Mark (01:00:52):
Especially vegetable pie.

Sarah (01:00:54):
You're not picky. It's just it doesn't make any sense
to me is my problem with it.

Mark (01:00:58):
I don't

Sarah (01:00:58):
think I have no problem with you not

Mark (01:01:00):
I am a man. Okay. So this is what it is. There is the
circle of food. And there is thecircle of food that I will eat.
Mhmm. And sometimes I branch outof the circle of food that I
will eat and try something new,but pie will never be in the
larger circle.

Sarah (01:01:20):
And other times you recede screaming, no pie. Yes.
Back to the circle. Yes. And

Mark (01:01:24):
it's like the top of

Sarah (01:01:27):
the pie. You're a strange man. I love you. Bye, maniacs.

Mark (01:01:33):
Bye, maniacs. Thanks for joining us on the mystery
maniacs podcast. If you enjoyedour crazy podcast today, don't
miss out on future episodes.Follow us on social media for
updates, beyond the scenescontent, and exclusive sneak
peeks. Subscribe, like, andshare to spread the word.
Bye, maniacs.

Sarah (01:01:54):
Clear it out.

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