The Lanyard of Power | Brokenwood | "Death'n'Bass" | Mystery Maniacs Podcast EP244 - Mystery Maniacs

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Mark (00:00):
There was a baby sheep.

Sarah (00:01):
There was a couple of babies.

Mark (00:02):
Baby sheep.

Sarah (00:03):
They were so cute. Hey, maniacs. Hey,

Mark (00:22):
mystery maniacs.

Sarah (00:23):
That was an especially long hey.

Mark (00:25):
Mystery maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated
to mystery TV. Each week, we diginto an episode of the show
including the murders, themayhem, the loonies, and
everything else we love.Including everything they get
wrong in this episode.

Sarah (00:42):
Oh, you're just saying that because it's a music
episode. Oh,

Mark (00:45):
boy. And

Sarah (00:46):
you know stuff.

Mark (00:47):
There's gonna be a Mark's Corner.

Sarah (00:48):
Before we go to Mark's Corner, we have a special place
to go.

Mark (00:52):
Yes. It's

Sarah (00:53):
called our six year anniversary of the podcast.

Mark (00:57):
Six years ago on 07/29/2019, a whole other
decade.

Sarah (01:05):
Oh my gosh. It's a world ago. So many things.

Mark (01:09):
We released episode one of the podcast, which was entitled,
as you well know, the killingsat Badger's Drift, Giant
Baskets, Bonking.

Sarah (01:19):
Yes. We

Mark (01:22):
started off on it.

Sarah (01:23):
We started off crazy, and we kept on going. You can't be
maniacs and not be crazy.

Mark (01:29):
No. So six years, two forty four full episodes.

Sarah (01:34):
That means we started before COVID, thank you very
much. I can't tell you how manypeople I've said, oh, my husband
and I have a podcast. Andthey're like, oh, have you been
doing that for a long time? I'mlike, oh, like years. Like, oh,
did you start during COVID?
No. No, I didn't.

Mark (01:47):
We started before COVID.

Sarah (01:49):
Thank you.

Mark (01:50):
Thank you.

Sarah (01:50):
It wasn't a COVID board hobby.

Mark (01:53):
It was a Mark turned 50 and has to get his butt in gear.
So that's what it was.

Sarah (01:59):
Okay. So it's midlife crisis podcast.

Mark (02:02):
Midlife crisis podcast.

Sarah (02:04):
Thank you

Mark (02:04):
very much. Not a pandemic contest.

Sarah (02:06):
A pandemic what?

Mark (02:07):
Podcast. Oh, I

Sarah (02:08):
thought you said contest.

Mark (02:10):
Contest. No. Podcast. It's really weird. Are some people I
proudly tell that we havepodcasts and other people I'm
like, yeah, we have a partner.

Sarah (02:22):
Because you're embarrassed?

Mark (02:24):
No, I'm not embarrassed at all. It's just You don't have
explain it. We live in a worldnow where everybody has a
podcast.

Sarah (02:30):
I say it proud. I say, we've had a podcast for years
and years.

Mark (02:33):
Years and years.

Sarah (02:35):
So they know.

Mark (02:36):
Six years.

Sarah (02:37):
Like every great hipster, we were doing it before other
people were. Yeah. First

Mark (02:42):
of all, thank you Yes.

Sarah (02:44):
All of you. That's first.

Mark (02:45):
All of you. Even the person listening to this episode
for the very first episode. Yep.Thank you so much for listening.

Sarah (02:53):
We wouldn't do it if you didn't listen.

Mark (02:55):
It is it is not something in which we have to do at all.

Sarah (02:59):
Nope. And there and there have been times when tired,
busy, injured, whatever whenit's like, maybe I don't want to
do it. And then I remember, butwe have all these friends out
there who listen. Yes. All thesepeople who we really care about.
Yep. And you wanna do it forthem.

Mark (03:19):
I we've made friends because of this podcast and
that's fantastic.

Sarah (03:23):
We appreciate every one of you. Thank you for listening.
It really matters

Mark (03:27):
so much to us. Now let's get to some crazy numbers.

Sarah (03:31):
Mhmm.

Mark (03:32):
Okay. First of all, just audio downloads.

Sarah (03:36):
We'll be fast.

Mark (03:37):
582,000 downloads.

Sarah (03:41):
Over half a million downloads of the audio version.

Mark (03:45):
Of the audio version.

Sarah (03:46):
And nearly that many of the video version.

Mark (03:48):
Which is insane. Yes. It's awesome. Who does that?

Sarah (03:54):
A lot of different people

Mark (03:56):
over

Sarah (03:56):
a lot of different episodes. It is. This is two
forty four this week. I Andthat's not including Yeah. All
the mini episodes that we'vedone.

Mark (04:03):
I think we have clearly over three hundred and more
likely three hundred fifty hoursof content Mhmm. Which would
mean that you could listen to usalmost, I think, for a solid
three weeks. Twenty four hours

Sarah (04:16):
a day. Yes. Oh, that would be a special kind of
torture.

Mark (04:20):
Before you got to new episodes.

Sarah (04:21):
You get so tired of my laugh by the end. I'm sorry.

Mark (04:24):
How many times would I say so? Or I guess?

Sarah (04:28):
Not because you cut them out.

Mark (04:29):
I guess? I say I guess all the time. There are so many
things I cut out.

Sarah (04:37):
So many things have happened since we started.

Mark (04:39):
Oh my gosh, yes.

Sarah (04:40):
Like, we talk about, yeah, we started pre COVID. But
I think a lot of people startedlistening during COVID because
they were looking for positivecontent, things that were fun
that weren't about, you know,how scary it was. Yeah. And,
like, since then, we've kind ofblocked it all out. Like, do you
remember there were drivethrough graduations?

Mark (05:02):
Yes. We if you listen to our COVID episodes, the kind of
ones in March are like, oh, youknow, some people have gotten
sick.

Sarah (05:12):
There's a flu going around.

Mark (05:13):
And then the March is like, this is kind of serious.
And then the March is, this isnever going to go away. The
apocalypse is upon us. Everybodyon

Sarah (05:25):
the Internet was learning how to make sourdough, singing
sea shanties. There were catsjoining Zoom calls. Our children

Mark (05:36):
are amazing children. We're still in high school
starting their senior year whenwe started the podcast.

Sarah (05:43):
Yep. And now they've all graduated from

Mark (05:44):
college. They have all graduated from college.

Sarah (05:48):
And they still haven't moved out.

Mark (05:50):
Yes. Some

Sarah (05:50):
of them are you listening? We've also had two US
elections. Yes. The Queen'sJubilee.

Mark (05:56):
Yes.

Sarah (05:57):
The prince died.

Mark (05:58):
Prince died.

Sarah (05:59):
Then the queen died.

Mark (06:00):
Queen died.

Sarah (06:01):
Then king Charles took the throne.

Mark (06:03):
King Charles.

Sarah (06:04):
Area 51 was stormed by a bunch of weasels who gave up
halfway. It it just There's allkinds of weird things that

Mark (06:12):
have It's longer than like,

Sarah (06:14):
okay. AI? Yes. AI wasn't around when we started.

Mark (06:17):
So in Canada, when I went to high school, you went for
five years. I I went to thisthing called grade 13 Uh-huh.
Which when I say it to people inThe United States, they look at
me like I was a remedial highschool student.

Sarah (06:30):
They do.

Mark (06:31):
But, we had five years to get a certain amount of credits.
Right? And the fifth year wassupposed to be a college prep
year. Yeah. So I've been doingthis podcast longer than I was
in high school.

Sarah (06:45):
That's saying something. Listen to this list. These are
all people who have died sincewe started. Yes. Obviously, many
more than this.
Yes. But notable lighthearted,mostly positive people in the
world who have died since westarted. Kenny Rogers

Mark (07:03):
Kenny Rogers. Poor Kenny Rogers.

Sarah (07:05):
Sean Connery, Betty White, Meatloaf, Robbie
Coltrane, otherwise known asCracker

Mark (07:12):
Yes.

Sarah (07:13):
Or

Mark (07:14):
Hagrid.

Sarah (07:14):
Hagrid. Tina Turner, Richard Simmons, and recently
Ozzy Osbourne.

Mark (07:19):
And yet, the guitar player from the Rolling Stones

Sarah (07:22):
Keith Richards lives on. Lives on. Yeah. Say what you
want to about how old Biden was.He's not as old as Keith
Richards.
He may be he may live to be theoldest man ever. There's some
monk somewhere in Tibet givinghim a run for his money or
something.

Mark (07:41):
Exactly.

Sarah (07:42):
So, you know, six years comes and goes really fast.

Mark (07:45):
I think I think probably Keith Richards is probably
waiting for the the mail fromthe king. Because in England,
right, when you turn

Sarah (07:54):
a 100 letter when you turn

Mark (07:55):
a 100. You get a letter. I think he's probably waiting for
that.

Sarah (07:58):
He's gonna open it, read it, and then drop dead?

Mark (08:01):
They went so through so much crap.

Sarah (08:03):
Yeah. So So Six years.

Mark (08:06):
Wow. Again

Sarah (08:08):
Thank you.

Mark (08:09):
I cannot thank you enough. The numbers of our podcast have
always grown steadily.

Sarah (08:19):
Mhmm.

Mark (08:19):
And they continue to grow steadily.

Sarah (08:21):
That means we're doing something right.

Mark (08:22):
It means we're doing something right and we've always
been trying to build communityand I think that is what we have
successfully done. There's over300 people on the subreddit.

Sarah (08:33):
Just on the subreddit, yeah.

Mark (08:34):
Yeah. And so, I think that warms my heart. It also, you
know, there's a lot of podcasts.I would say that we are in the
top 10%, maybe the top 5% of allpodcasts. Certainly top 10% of
YouTube Yeah.

Sarah (08:54):
Because so many people create stuff and then give up or
Yep. You know.

Mark (08:58):
To to get to where we are.

Sarah (09:00):
And yet there are still people who comment on our
YouTube videos and go, thisisn't the shout.

Mark (09:04):
Yes.

Sarah (09:05):
Like, what is don't you see that it says podcast right
on it? You moron.

Mark (09:09):
I did that. Easy with the moron.

Sarah (09:12):
This is why I don't reply to our YouTube comments.

Mark (09:17):
We have reached the point where we do probably once a week
or so, I get some PR peoplemessaging me about would you
like to have this person on theshow or

Sarah (09:28):
That's nice.

Mark (09:29):
Things like that.

Sarah (09:29):
Usually getting those junk shaving ad offers anymore.

Mark (09:33):
Usually, it's people who are representing murder mystery
writers.

Sarah (09:39):
Yeah.

Mark (09:40):
Or

Sarah (09:40):
If they're not relevant, though.

Mark (09:41):
Yeah. Well, if it's not relevant, we don't do it.

Sarah (09:44):
But if there's somebody you want us to talk to, we'll go
after him. We're not afraid toask.

Mark (09:49):
Well, I I can't believe the people we've had on the we
had a net badland I know. On thetelevision show. We had Tracy on
the radio show. I cannot believeWe're

Sarah (10:01):
a radio show now.

Mark (10:02):
I'm an old man

Sarah (10:02):
on the radio. We've come back in time. We

Mark (10:05):
the whole wireless radio show. I cannot believe

Sarah (10:10):
But none of those is nearly as

Mark (10:11):
we covered all of midsummer. I still can't believe
we covered all of midsummer.

Sarah (10:16):
I know. When we started, we were like, we'll never get to
the end

Mark (10:20):
of this. And we're soon going to be finished with
Brokenwood. I know. Hopefully,Midsummer gets its butt in gear
and gets us Let's some new get

Sarah (10:28):
some out. Speaking of which, you ready? Season eight
episode two, Death and Bass.

Mark (10:33):
Death and Bass. Okay. Welcome to Mark's They Get This
Wrong Corner.

Sarah (10:40):
Pet Entry Corner?

Mark (10:41):
I'm just gonna list the things that know.

Sarah (10:43):
Pet Entry Corner.

Mark (10:45):
Yes.

Sarah (10:45):
Okay.

Mark (10:46):
Being on stage, what bass and drum music is, what being a
DJ is, what running a festivalis, what running a backstage is,
what making art, making graphicdesign posters is, all these
things.

Sarah (11:04):
Stereo setups and RVs. Yeah.

Mark (11:07):
So I made a note of this. I didn't think

Sarah (11:13):
I knew it was gonna bug you the first time we watched

Mark (11:15):
this episode. We would talk about this. But his
speakers have tears in

Sarah (11:20):
them. If

Mark (11:22):
your speakers have tears in

Sarah (11:23):
them They sound like crap.

Mark (11:24):
They sound like crap.

Sarah (11:26):
Yep. So

Mark (11:28):
it's not how sound works. It's not it's not how physics
works. Oh, they're

Sarah (11:34):
so Fundamentally, the music at this festival, other
than what he's playing in histrailer, is not drum and bass.

Mark (11:41):
No. None of it is.

Sarah (11:43):
Like there's a DJ and a singer.

Mark (11:45):
Necrosis sounds like a goth band, not

Sarah (11:50):
You don't wanna hear necrosis.

Mark (11:51):
I still wanted them to show necrosis.

Sarah (11:56):
They're lurking in the dark. No, they left because they
have a bad attitude about notgetting paid. What do you know?

Mark (12:01):
Also, there tends to be now I realize I haven't DJ'd a
rave in a long time but I did doit in the nineties. I did
parties like this.

Sarah (12:13):
That's thirty years ago. Yes. Mhmm.

Mark (12:15):
There tends not to be a lot of alcohol at these things.

Sarah (12:19):
Some of you might not have been alive when Mark was a
DJ. Some of your grandchildrenmight not have been alive when
Mark was a That's both of ouraudiences. I'm just hitting
everybody. That's all.

Mark (12:30):
Easy. So the fact that there's so much alcohol is a
little weird sometimes.

Sarah (12:39):
That's because it's not it's not a true like rave. Yeah.
It's a drum and bass festival.

Mark (12:46):
I guess?

Sarah (12:46):
With clearly about 900 just out of control people.
That's all they seem to be isout of control.

Mark (12:53):
Like, okay.

Sarah (12:54):
Like, let's just throw something over and knock it
down. Yay.

Mark (12:59):
The moment there's a riot, the cops would come in and kick
everybody out. Oh, they

Sarah (13:04):
would have been there already keeping an eye on the
place.

Mark (13:07):
Yeah. Oh, totally.

Sarah (13:09):
But you know one thing I did learn about drum and bass?
Sheep don't care.

Mark (13:12):
Sheep don't care. That's not how you sheep.

Sarah (13:16):
Sheep just keep on sheeping. They don't care what
music you're playing. They'rejust sheeping. It's what they
do.

Mark (13:21):
I've had my time.

Sarah (13:22):
Okay. We're leaving the pedantry corner now? Yes. We do
have the return of Doug.

Mark (13:28):
I actually think we have another return. So my first
notes are Weebie Raven.

Sarah (13:35):
Mhmm.

Mark (13:36):
I wonder if these are the porta potties that we've seen
before. And my third note is,oh, poor Nigel's trying to break
up this fight. So it's notThere's a girl

Sarah (13:47):
fight girl fight next to the porta potties. That's gonna
get messy. It's It's a goodthing that guy who climbs out of
the porta potty that getsknocked over has on a poncho.

Mark (13:55):
Yeah. That's not how

Sarah (13:58):
Wait a minute. Do you do you mean you wanted them to be
realistic about what that wouldhave been like for him? No. None
of us do. No.
No. We're fine with that.

Mark (14:06):
I've created in my mind that it's Nigel who is being
attacked.

Sarah (14:12):
That Lisa jumps on his back and tries to take his hat
off and scratches only his

Mark (14:16):
be considered New Zealand's answer to a Chemical
Brothers video.

Sarah (14:22):
What do you think the actual fight was about that the
two original women were fightingabout before Lisa dove in?

Mark (14:28):
I don't know, but the other day

Sarah (14:30):
I think they were standing in line and had to pee
really bad, and one of them cut.

Mark (14:34):
Oh, yeah.

Sarah (14:35):
Because women have to wait in line a long time They
do. At a bathroom, and bitch cutin front of me, she might get it
if I've been waiting a longtime.

Mark (14:46):
I won't be cutting.

Sarah (14:47):
Especially if I've got a kid with me. Yep. Who needs to
go? Mm-mm. You're going down.
Yep. The women out there hearme. They know.

Mark (14:55):
Oh, yeah. There's a lot of mess here.

Sarah (14:58):
Oh my gosh. So much mess, you're not gonna clean it up
with one of those grabber thingson a stick. Like, get a rake,
get a backhoe, get a combine,get something. Those grabbers
No. Not gonna you're gonna bethere for a million years.

Mark (15:13):
Plus, you'd be surprised, but these festivals create a lot
of trash Mhmm. Certainly. Butthey tend to keep create trash
in certain areas

Sarah (15:23):
Yeah.

Mark (15:23):
Like around the trash dispenser.

Sarah (15:26):
Yeah. The trash receptacle. Not these people.
These are 900 disrespectfulrowdy fighty people.

Mark (15:32):
Who are gone the next morning like poof.

Sarah (15:35):
They just throw trash wherever they want and they can
pack up their tent really fast.

Mark (15:40):
Well, okay. I have this problem also.

Sarah (15:43):
Wait a minute. Were we going back to Country Corner?
Okay.

Mark (15:46):
Good. No one has festivals like this on Sunday night.
Sunday night, you have to get upand go to work in Monday
morning.

Sarah (15:53):
Friday night.

Mark (15:54):
Saturday night.

Sarah (15:55):
Friday night is the smaller of the two nights.
Saturday night is the big night.Sunday morning,

Mark (16:00):
go. Maybe you go to dinner time on Sunday. Maybe.

Sarah (16:03):
Maybe.

Mark (16:04):
You have a fun afternoon. Maybe. Maybe. You do not go late
Friday Sunday night. Frodo'sgotta get the card to outside
the coffee shop so they can havediscussions.

Sarah (16:17):
He can't because his coffee maker's on the ground and
there's a barrel on the counter.They trashed his coffee carts.

Mark (16:23):
I'm so upset that

Sarah (16:24):
Just hooligans.

Mark (16:25):
There are people in his coffee cart. I was very upset
about that.

Sarah (16:29):
He let some girl he didn't know run it.

Mark (16:32):
That is his fault.

Sarah (16:34):
Yep. He handed it over. Yep. He let the lanyard of power
go to his head.

Mark (16:39):
He let the lanyard of power. What I like about that is
Frodo is completely truthfulthere. Mhmm. Like, goes, I
always wanted to do this. Ialways wanted to be that guy.
Yeah. And this is my chance.

Sarah (16:51):
And this is what happened. This is what happened.
As I mentioned, we have thereturn of Doug. Yes. Trudy
Trudy's ex as grumpy as ever.

Mark (17:01):
And he shows up with a shotgun.

Sarah (17:04):
So he's a curmudgeon. No doubt about it. But I have to
say, given that apparently thesame like ten seconds of music
has been looping for, like,eight hours Yes. I might make a
shotgun from scratch to go shootsomebody after that. Because it
accidentally got hit our remotecontrols.

(17:26):
Yep. I know. That's not how theywork. You've said it. We've said
it.
But also, when we saw Dougbefore, we know he does have a
softer side. And we find outthat the reason why he's allowed
this festival to happen on hisland is that it's organized by
the grandson of Bernie thebanker Yep. Who got killed on
the day that he was gonna retireYes. In the bank robbery run by

(17:50):
Frodo's brothers.

Mark (17:51):
Yes.

Sarah (17:53):
But he Doug respected Bernie, and so he's given his
grandson a chance.

Mark (17:58):
And, you know, there's a very important lesson that Doug
talks about at the end, which isyour first one's always gonna be
screw up. You know? Let's makethe next one better.

Sarah (18:08):
Marriages, festivals, you know, First

Mark (18:11):
one's a gimme.

Sarah (18:12):
That's what he says to Cameron at the end. Yeah. As
long as it's a yodelingfestival. Wow. So he shoots the
he shoots the trailer, thewindow of the trailer with salt,
rock salt.

Mark (18:26):
That's not how rock salt, audio waves, or CGI works.

Sarah (18:30):
Are you done? Yes. Do you feel better? Yeah. Anything
else?
We're supposed to believe thatthe windows and doors of the
trailer are being pressurizedfrom the inside, and so when he
shoots it and the glassfractures, it like

Mark (18:46):
Blows out.

Sarah (18:47):
Upsets the balance and the windows blow out?

Mark (18:50):
Yes.

Sarah (18:51):
Okay. I

Mark (18:53):
don't With bad CGI.

Sarah (18:56):
Can you tell that I'm like, I don't know how that
works.

Mark (19:00):
They needed to imply that he maybe died because of the
loud music. That's what they notthe joke, but the what they're
getting to here. Mhmm. So Idon't know how I would have done
that. That would have been superdifferent.

Sarah (19:15):
But the a door or a window or something flies off
and lands in the grass, and theytried. They But it's bad. The
CGI is bad.

Mark (19:24):
They should've hired the guys who had the woman jump out
of the plane.

Sarah (19:29):
Yeah. Because that was still don't know. We still don't
know how they did that.

Mark (19:33):
We should ask Trudy. Oh my gosh. She's not

Sarah (19:37):
in that scene. Tracy's not in that scene.

Mark (19:40):
I know Tracy's not in that scene, but she might know
somebody who knows her aunt. SoI'll ask her on the Facebook
ads.

Sarah (19:50):
Meanwhile, Mike's getting happy texts because he's been
away for the weekend, and thisis Monday morning. Yes. He's
he's doing that. I look at myphone and smile Yep. And put it
back in my pocket thing.

Mark (20:02):
And get my wellies on. He's prepared.

Sarah (20:05):
Yep. They're all prepared.

Mark (20:07):
Yes. The mortuary is my happy place, Sarah. I think Gina
is toned down in this episode.Yes. And I think their response
to Gina is united and does notplace Mike in poor situations
with her.

Sarah (20:23):
It's sad if if your theory is that Sims and Chalmers
have decided that they are notgonna allow Mike to be
inopportune by by Gina. That'syou shouldn't have to do that.

Mark (20:35):
You shouldn't have to do that.

Sarah (20:36):
She does say, oh, we should go to the city. Make a
weekend of it.

Mark (20:40):
Yeah. Mike's like

Sarah (20:42):
No. No. He should say, I have a girlfriend. That would
just open up a whole can ofworms. Did you notice?
Sims could be a a county awayand she would be like, what?
Nosy alarm? What?

Mark (20:52):
She is quite nosy. Did you notice, speaking of nosy, that
Gina talks to the fireman? Didyou see that in the background?
Yeah. And kinda is laughing andhaving a good time.

Sarah (21:05):
You think she's hitting on him too?

Mark (21:07):
No. But I think I think we're meant to think that Gina
might be this way witheverybody.

Sarah (21:13):
Okay. What do you think of them naming the stages the
blue pill stage and the red pillstage?

Mark (21:18):
It's a nod to the matrix.

Sarah (21:22):
But

Mark (21:23):
it also lets us know that It's a drug place. Daniel is
what he is and it's a drug placeand all those things.

Sarah (21:32):
Who is? Who is what he is? What? Daniel. Cameron?
No. Vince? No.

Mark (21:41):
Chalmers? Chalmers. Because he knows the matrix.

Sarah (21:45):
Oh, okay. I thought you were getting the name wrong. I'm
like, Daniel.

Mark (21:48):
No. No. Did you notice the tattoo on Vince Scully? No. Oh,
you did?

Sarah (21:55):
No. Did he have an X Files tattoo?

Mark (21:57):
No. Oh. You and a million years will not guess. I just

Sarah (22:01):
thought maybe it was a Scully joke.

Mark (22:02):
What? No. No. Well, Vince Scully, it's interesting. Vince
Scully is a broadcaster.
Right? He's a sports broadcasterin The United States. Okay. And
Scully, the character on XFiles. X Files is named after
him.

Sarah (22:17):
Okay. What tattoo does Vince have?

Mark (22:19):
He has a

Sarah (22:20):
Maracas tattoo. Like shakers? Like, Maracas?

Mark (22:23):
On his underarm with the word calypso. Oh. In a, like, a
jaunty banner.

Sarah (22:32):
That's a different kind of music.

Mark (22:33):
That is the weirdest tattoo that he could have.

Sarah (22:37):
Did you find any pictures of that actor other than in this
episode I did not. To see if heactually has that tattoo?

Mark (22:43):
I I did not look to

Sarah (22:45):
because I could see if the actor had a Maracas tattoo
that they wouldn't ask him tocover it up. They just go with
it because a tattoo is a tattoo.But I wonder if the actor who
plays Vince, whose name isBarney Duncan, he doesn't look
like a Barney. Actually, justhas that tattoo.

Mark (23:02):
Now is Barney one of the troop of people? No. Okay. So
Barney has been on a couple ofthings, but there are a number
of the young people on this showwho were all on West Side.

Sarah (23:18):
In this specific episode?

Mark (23:20):
Which was What's

Sarah (23:21):
West Side?

Mark (23:21):
West Side's kind of a a crime New Zealand soap opera
kind of thing.

Sarah (23:28):
Okay.

Mark (23:28):
So like Ricky was in that and I think the the woman who
played the angel of death Lisa.And Cameron is in it too. So a

Sarah (23:38):
lot of actors in common Yeah. Of that age group?

Mark (23:40):
Yeah. So I think it's kind of like a little reunion show
for them.

Sarah (23:45):
Vince has in his trailer propoeprazole Yes. Clinamax.
Yes. It's still weird to me thatin most of the rest of the
world, prescriptionpharmaceuticals come in boxes
and in blister packs, becausenearly, I would say over 90% of
our pharmacy medications come inplastic bottles.

Mark (24:06):
Little orange bottles.

Sarah (24:07):
Because they count them out one pill at a time, they
don't come in blister packs.Here, if it's in a blister pack,
it's probably over the counter

Mark (24:13):
medicine. No, no. It's prescribed medicine to him, but
it's not real medicine.

Sarah (24:21):
His medication is supposed to be a prescription.
But here, blister pack medicineis usually like Tylenol or cough
medicine or something.Otherwise, it's in a bottle if
it comes from the pharmacy.Anyway, propoeprazole is not a
real medication. Yes.
I think it's supposed to bepropranolol, Mhmm. Propranolol.

(24:42):
Pan why do they have to namemedicine stuff like this? Which
is an anti anxiety medication.

Mark (24:48):
Which I understand him taking. Yes. Him reading a Norse
mythology book by Emma somethingor other, he doesn't need to do
that.

Sarah (24:55):
You don't think he reads? There's also some kind of herbs
and medical

Mark (24:59):
Yeah. Health and healing book. Yeah. And then there's a
sound and light book. But see,he's turned a corner.
Oh, he's gone straight

Sarah (25:08):
edge. He's gone spiritual.

Mark (25:11):
When when they go over the books and you see the body for
the first time is when you seethe calypso tattoo with the
maracas.

Sarah (25:18):
His eyes are wide open. Wide. That's tough, of course,
acting with your eyes wide open.

Mark (25:23):
Yep. Have a note that says, wait a minute. This is
Sunday night. Who has a festivalat Sunday? The prop well,
there's a number of problems atthis festival, but I would like
to bring up one now

Sarah (25:34):
That you haven't already?

Mark (25:35):
That I wonder if you noticed. Mhmm. In the VIP zone,
did you notice?

Sarah (25:38):
A tent with a poster that says VIP zone by the way.

Mark (25:41):
The world's thinnest picnic table. Yes. So a picnic
table

Sarah (25:47):
It's not much VIP going on in there. No. It's not like,
oh, nice green room. There's Mand M's in here and stuff.

Mark (25:53):
A picnic table is a place that you eat outside. Mhmm.
Right? It's and I grew up withthem.

Sarah (26:00):
Yeah. Right? Most people didn't.

Mark (26:02):
They're like a normal table. Yeah. But this is
literally maybe 12 inches wide.

Sarah (26:08):
Yes.

Mark (26:10):
And not wide in the like, okay. It's a normal length.

Sarah (26:14):
Yeah. It's just very narrow.

Mark (26:16):
But very narrow.

Sarah (26:17):
Like, you'd have to alternate sides to eat. Like,
you couldn't you couldn't sitacross from somebody.

Mark (26:22):
And I don't know how you could put stuff on it other than
your plate.

Sarah (26:25):
Maybe it's one of those that folds flat. Maybe. And so
the top is narrower. I don'tknow. I don't know why you care
about that.

Mark (26:32):
I just noticed it and was like,

Sarah (26:36):
no. So, Lisa.

Mark (26:39):
Yeah. So I saw the black wings in the trailer and you
know that sometimes I'm like,who did this again? As soon as I
saw the black wings, I'm like,oh, yeah. It's the girlfriend.

Sarah (26:50):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bing. Bing.
Bing. Bing. By the way, spoiler,podcast. So she gets arrested
the night before as part of analibi Yes. To cover up the fact
that she's the killer.
Spoiler. Bing. Bing. Bing. Bing.
Comes out of the police stationand walks right up to Sims and
says, hey, can I have a ride?

Mark (27:07):
I guess I'm a pig.

Sarah (27:10):
Did you have you known people like that who would just
walk up to a stranger and say,hey, I have a ride back to Yeah,
the festival yeah, yeah. I havetoo. And I at least understand
that because Sims is a woman,that Lisa feels a little bit
safer asking her for a ride. Butjust to randomly walk up to
somebody who you have noconversation with and just say,

(27:31):
can I have a ride?

Mark (27:32):
She hitchhikes in this episode. Yeah. Which is

Sarah (27:35):
Perfectly safe in Brokenwood, I'm Like, I felt
skeezy hitchhiking and in high

Mark (27:41):
it was forty years ago. Yeah. I would not feel

Sarah (27:44):
But didn't your parents tell you to hitchhike home from
places when you were a My

Mark (27:48):
parents did indeed tell me they didn't wanna drive the
fifteen minutes to come pick meup, that I should get a ride
from somebody.

Sarah (27:58):
That you should hitchhike specifically. Not ask one of
your friend's parents for aride, but just hitchhike home.
It'll be fine. Yep. They weren'tnegligent.
They weren't bad

Mark (28:08):
people, I swear. They weren't.

Sarah (28:10):
It was a different time and place. But she does the
thing that bugs me so much. Sheruns. Where do you think you're
gonna go? She drops all of herstuff and runs.

Mark (28:20):
Yep. And I love how this episode is great at showing how
the stuff runs downhill.

Sarah (28:28):
Yep. Because Sims has to Sims has to chase him because
Mike's not going to Yes. Chaseher. And then Chalmers has to
chase her because Sims is notgoing to. Well, she's already

Mark (28:37):
done it once. I did it the first time.

Sarah (28:39):
She's already done it once. Lisa wears tights with
jean shorts. Like, she's thatkind of person. Yep. Then
there's this ongoing joke ofChalmers trying to guess what
music Sims listens to.

Mark (28:50):
And she says the thing that may I hope it doesn't lose
us listeners because Chalmerssays, everyone likes Bruce
Springsteen. And I said, no,that's not the case.

Sarah (29:01):
That's not

Mark (29:02):
true. Because Sims does not like Bruce Springsteen and
my dear wife is ignorant to themajesty that is the boss.

Sarah (29:13):
Bruce Springsteen is a true American folk song legend.

Mark (29:22):
And I realize he wasn't portrayed as that in the
eighties, and that came No. Tome a

Sarah (29:27):
You didn't let me finish. You're Canadian, so you don't
know. How about that? You don'tget to to decide. Because I
think he doesn't know how toopen his mouth and his back
teeth are glued together and hejust sings like that.
He's death by nostalgia. Sorry.No. That's just me. That's my

(29:51):
opinion.
So he guesses classical, and shesays no. He says reggae. What
else does he guess? Country. Weknow she doesn't like country
music.
By the end of the episode, Ithink he could actually guess
what her music is and she'dstill say no just to razz him.
But what what do you think sheactually listens to?

Mark (30:09):
Well, we know that Chalmers listens to the funk. He
gets in the car and he's like inthe funk, man.

Sarah (30:16):
He listens to rock and roll.

Mark (30:18):
Yep. Does a little air guitar. He's having fun.

Sarah (30:21):
Generic rock and roll music.

Mark (30:23):
I think Kristen Sims is true toward Nordic nature and
listens to Scandinavian deathmetal at the loudest possible
volumes.

Sarah (30:33):
I think she listens to nineties boy bands.

Mark (30:36):
Yeah. Maybe a little k pop. Maybe a little.

Sarah (30:39):
No. I'm thinking more m bop than k pop.

Mark (30:41):
A little could hear some Backstreet k boys. Yep. She was
she no. It was it was it wasMike who dropped the Crowded
House reference

Sarah (30:51):
Mhmm.

Mark (30:52):
That clanked.

Sarah (30:53):
Yeah. I love the way Frodo describes how out of
control things were. Yes. LikeLike a painting of what insanity
looks like by Ronnie Bush. Youmean Heronimus Bosch, yes.
The Like fact Frodo is from afamily of chaos. We know this,

(31:14):
And yet his coffee cart is hispride and joy. It's his baby.
And the craziness that was goingon

Mark (31:22):
In his socks. It just

Sarah (31:23):
offends him to his soul. Poor Frodo.

Mark (31:27):
I think it's so great that Frodo, even though we know his
upbringing now Mhmm. Knows thatthere's a painting of people who
are insane. Of aware ofpaintings. Yes. Aware that it
might black velvet or something.
Yeah. Brianna was not a goodchoice No. To to cover the the

(31:49):
the cart. Also

Sarah (31:51):
He should have asked Kimmy, his nongirlfriend,

Mark (31:54):
to come. Should have asked Kimmy, the nongirlfriend. This
is what happens when you givepeople caffeine on a Sunday
night.

Sarah (32:02):
It's just They throw barrels.

Mark (32:06):
Did you notice there was another booth there that we
could see? No?

Sarah (32:13):
Yes. I mean

Mark (32:14):
There was a popcorn booth that had caramel corn. Okay.

Sarah (32:17):
Why is that notable? Like wouldn't there be?

Mark (32:20):
I guess. You tend not to feed people like the like food
creates mess.

Sarah (32:25):
But if it's a weekend event, they gotta eat.

Mark (32:28):
I suppose.

Sarah (32:28):
It's broken wood. There's not a lot of other options.
There should be quite a bit offood there. Yes. Considering
Cameron thought there were gonnabe 5,000 people coming, would I
have thought there would havebeen a lot of vendors sitting
there twiddling their thumbs.

Mark (32:40):
That's true.

Sarah (32:41):
Except I guess he knew in advance that not that many
people were coming because heknew about the ticket sales.
Doug's is Doug living in thesame house he lived in with
Trudy?

Mark (32:49):
I think so.

Sarah (32:50):
It looked similar enough.

Mark (32:51):
It did. Yeah.

Sarah (32:52):
I didn't notice before that there's a gigantic boulder
in the front flower bed. Yeah. Imean, it's like as big as a car.

Mark (32:58):
But Cameron's house has a giant ladder on the wall.

Sarah (33:01):
Well, that's Bernie's house. That's just for safety's
sake, isn't it? In case there'sa fire,

Mark (33:05):
there's a

Sarah (33:05):
ladder there?

Mark (33:06):
But Cameron has postered it with festival posters.

Sarah (33:09):
Ruined it. You know Bernie didn't have it looking
like that. No. It looks like a

Mark (33:12):
frat house. Sales were underwhelming. And then you get
speaking of numbers, you get thereal numbers that he was
expecting 5,000 people and hegot eight hundred and ninety
three and fifty of those werecomps.

Sarah (33:26):
Mhmm.

Mark (33:27):
That's not doing good. And we find out why and the true
killer of the episode.

Sarah (33:33):
Is the guy with dyscalculus. Discalcula. What is
it?

Mark (33:38):
Dyscalcula. Something like that.

Sarah (33:40):
And he flipped the numbers around and put the the
twenty first on the posterinstead of the twelfth.

Mark (33:45):
And Mike quite correctly says, so next Monday Yeah.
Everybody's going to be showingup here?

Sarah (33:51):
I just don't know how many people find out about a
festival like that from aposter. Unless he also did like
the social media graphics andeverything else and put the
twenty first on everything.

Mark (34:02):
It it what it did and I it's very personal to me because
I was interested in those thingseven at a young age. So when I
was doing raves I offered tohelp with those sorts of things
and was told no, we have peoplewho do that. Mhmm. I was glad
they had people who do thatbecause I would have made a
mistake like that. Not that Ihave the the number backwards

(34:25):
stuff

Sarah (34:26):
No.

Mark (34:26):
But I was not a professional graphic designer.

Sarah (34:29):
Well, but you just no matter whether you are or not,
need another person to check itbefore it goes to print.
Everything Somebody looks to be

Mark (34:35):
checked before going to print.

Sarah (34:37):
So that one simple thing means that he makes a quarter of
the money that he intended to ora fifth of the money he intended
to off this thing.

Mark (34:46):
But if you're betting on sales like that, you're in
trouble already.

Sarah (34:52):
Right.

Mark (34:53):
And as we learned in the logistics video, insurance is a
really important thing here.

Sarah (35:01):
Cameron, he's not there yet. Yeah. This is his first
time doing this. He's not thereyet, clearly. He doesn't even
have any deputies to help himrun it.

Mark (35:10):
He he

Sarah (35:11):
He thought he was gonna run a 5,000 person festival He

Mark (35:14):
used 20 other people helping him.

Sarah (35:16):
Yeah. Getting paid to help him with clipboards and
stuff. Yes. So one typo on theposter supposedly undermined the
entire festival, right?

Mark (35:27):
Supposedly.

Sarah (35:28):
So I was curious about other times where something that
simple in print completelymessed something up.

Mark (35:36):
Well, there's the famous printer devil's

Sarah (35:38):
It's the devil's bible. The devil's bible. Thou shalt
commit adultery bible. Well,that everybody knows that one.
Yeah.
I found two other ones. You wantYes. Hear So one is from 1870.

Mark (35:49):
Okay.

Sarah (35:50):
A German scientist, his name was Eric Van Wulf.

Mark (35:53):
Van Wulf.

Sarah (35:54):
Van Wulf. He was measuring the iron content of
various foods. And instead ofsaying that spinach had 3.5
milligrams of iron, heaccidentally said that it had
35. And thus Popeye was born.

Mark (36:10):
Then that's why we have Popeye.

Sarah (36:12):
Yep. I knew

Mark (36:13):
I knew that.

Sarah (36:14):
Yeah. It wasn't corrected until, like, the almost the
forties, the nineteen forties.So for almost three point

Mark (36:20):
five milligrams of iron is still a lot of iron in your
diet.

Sarah (36:23):
Yeah. But it's not like a superfood.

Mark (36:25):
It's not a superfood, and you don't

Sarah (36:27):
get Popeye arms.

Mark (36:28):
Popeye's But four

Sarah (36:29):
it was just a decimal. Yeah. A decimal started Popeye.

Mark (36:33):
I remember as a kid going, vegetables come in a can? Maybe
they're not like boiled then.

Sarah (36:38):
I thought they came only

Mark (36:39):
in gray. And what is the other in gray?

Sarah (36:41):
The other fun one that I found is a NASA one.

Mark (36:44):
Okay.

Sarah (36:44):
And it's not that metric versus

Mark (36:48):
No. Imperial. Yeah. It's not that. Mean where Americans
fail to measure somethingcorrectly

Sarah (36:53):
It's not

Mark (36:53):
that because they don't use the same system that
everyone else in the entireworld uses because of pure
vanity? Sorry.

Sarah (37:03):
No. It's not that.

Mark (37:04):
Okay.

Sarah (37:05):
It's from 1962.

Mark (37:06):
Okay.

Sarah (37:07):
And it's the Mariner one mission, where a misplaced
hyphen caused the probe theywere launching to go to Venus,
went off course almostimmediately, and they had to
destroy it within minutes.

Mark (37:19):
Because of a hyphen?

Sarah (37:20):
A hyphen.

Mark (37:21):
Yeah. One hyphen. That's programming.

Sarah (37:24):
Yep. It's called the most expensive hyphen in history.

Mark (37:28):
Those things can happen in hyphen.

Sarah (37:30):
I in in In programming.

Mark (37:32):
Those things can happen in programming. I've spent an
entire day to realize I neededto put a semicolon in a certain
spot. That's what programmingis. If that sounds like hell to
you, you can't program.

Sarah (37:44):
Don't program. It's It's tedious.

Mark (37:46):
It's not for you.

Sarah (37:46):
So, you know, if a hyphen can cost NASA millions and
launch a cartoon character

Mark (37:54):
in a

Sarah (37:54):
myth that people still believe today, I think. People
still think spinach is makes youstronger. It's fine. Yes. But
it's not as, like, super musclefood.
No. Anyway, carrots also don'timprove your vision. No. That's
from World War one or two.

Mark (38:08):
One of

Sarah (38:08):
them? The surplus of carrots. Anyway, Cameron should
be glad that he didn't lose asmuch as NASA did over

Mark (38:16):
Yes.

Sarah (38:17):
One misplaced character.

Mark (38:18):
Also, doing something like okay. Cameron needs a friend.
Because a friend would say,maybe 5,000 is not where you
wanna start. Maybe a thousand iswhere you wanna start.

Sarah (38:29):
Mhmm.

Mark (38:30):
You know? And you should surround yourself with people
who can tell you that.

Sarah (38:34):
Don't try to be Glastonbury.

Mark (38:35):
Yep.

Sarah (38:36):
First run out.

Mark (38:36):
It's not gonna be

Sarah (38:38):
Plus if Doug thought a thousand people were allowed,
5,000.

Mark (38:41):
Yeah. This this town was not prepared for 5,000 No.

Sarah (38:47):
The sheep would not have had it.

Mark (38:48):
Can you imagine how pissed off Kristen would have been?
Because she was she was it wasold man, Kristen.

Sarah (38:56):
If there were actually 5,000 people there, Cameron had
better let the police know. And,like, even police from
Riverstone would have been thereto help out.

Mark (39:05):
Yes.

Sarah (39:06):
Like that is an entire region needs to know this is
about to happen. Size event. Solet's talk about Lisa and and
Doug and Vince at the snake andtiger. So Ricky's there. Doug's
there.

Mark (39:19):
Doug's there.

Sarah (39:20):
Lisa's there.

Mark (39:22):
Ricky and Vince comes in and he is exceptionally rude
Mhmm. To Lisa.

Sarah (39:29):
Now We know this isn't their first encounter.

Mark (39:32):
It does Or he's not trying

Sarah (39:32):
to tell her to go away. But does. Doug's point of view

Mark (39:36):
Okay?

Sarah (39:36):
No. But in Doug's point of view, this guy just walked in
and is being super rude randomlyto this woman, calling her a
bitch and telling her to get outof his life and everything else.

Mark (39:47):
And up until the point where he hits him, Doug is doing
the right thing.

Sarah (39:51):
Mhmm.

Mark (39:51):
Doug says, you leave now.

Sarah (39:53):
Yeah. Stop talking to her like that.

Mark (39:55):
Stop talking to her. He does something that I bet you
Trudy appreciates.

Sarah (40:02):
Yeah. The fact that he can go in there and drink, I
mean, means they're probablykind of cordial to each

Mark (40:06):
But then he hits him, which he shouldn't have.

Sarah (40:08):
I think Vince could have taken him if he wanted to.

Mark (40:12):
I think so.

Sarah (40:13):
But he couldn't have taken Doug and Trudy No. And
Polkio, that was probably gonnacome. But Vince doesn't fight
back.

Mark (40:23):
No, he doesn't.

Sarah (40:24):
And Ricky doesn't fight for Vince, he just separates
them and scowls at Vince. Yeah.Because Ricky's the one who got
them there at the same time.

Mark (40:35):
Yes.

Sarah (40:35):
It's his fault that they're even there.

Mark (40:37):
Okay. Ricky is the mastermind and the heart of this
entire episode. Mhmm. He doessome bad stuff. Yeah.
He sells some drugs.

Sarah (40:46):
Yeah. Okay? He's Buddha.

Mark (40:47):
He is Buddha. Okay? But he is that good friend of yours who
is mixed up with bad people andis trying to save them all the
time. Mhmm. And thoseunfortunately, like in these
circumstances, oftentimes thosepeople get paid the price of
those other people's crappylives.

Sarah (41:09):
And get charged with accessory after the fact. Yeah.
Because that's what's gonnahappen with Ricky and drug
sales. Yes. But Ricky hasarranged for Vince and Lisa to
meet because Lisa and Vince usedto have a relationship, and
she's given birth to his childand wants them to be a family.
And I think But Vince is a jerkface.

Mark (41:29):
I think that Ricky is not he doesn't have designs on Lisa.
No. He thinks that Lisa istrying to turn her life around,
and that part of it is becominga family with Vince.

Sarah (41:43):
And Vince has made big changes recently too, so there's
actually a chance that maybe hemight realize that he and he
doesn't have to be with Lisa,but that maybe he does owe
something to his child, andmaybe he should try to have a
relationship with his child.

Mark (41:56):
But no.

Sarah (41:56):
Vince has not really changed.

Mark (41:58):
Vince is still a horrible person.

Sarah (41:59):
He might drink kombucha, but he's still a dick.

Mark (42:01):
He's still a horrible person. You can't do enough yoga
to stop yourself Yeah, being an

Sarah (42:09):
kombucha doesn't make you not an asshole. Then we get to
see Neil, the mayor pharmacistgay guy.

Mark (42:16):
I was on the IMDB page of this, and I saw that Neil was in
this, and I was like, Neil's notin this. Oh, there's Neil.

Sarah (42:24):
Doing voluntary drug testing for people at the
festival to make sure thatthey're not taking something
that they shouldn't.

Mark (42:29):
I went to raves where there were pharmacists doing
this.

Sarah (42:33):
It's a good thing.

Mark (42:34):
It's a very good thing.

Sarah (42:35):
Because there's gonna be drugs. There's gonna be make
sure that they're safe.

Mark (42:39):
Yep.

Sarah (42:39):
But I love that when Mike wants to talk to him in private,
he's like, where's the rash?Like, I don't have a rash. Well,
most people have a rash in aprivate place when they wanna
talk to me in private. No rash.I swear.
No rash. But I do have agirlfriend now, but no rash. No.
It was nice to see Neil.

Mark (42:58):
It was nice to see Neil.

Sarah (43:00):
Chalmers killing time with Ricky at the police station
is hilarious. He's likepretending to look at paperwork
while they're searching thetrailer Yes. And like asking him
random questions and justlooking at his watch Chalmers
wearing. Is

Mark (43:15):
Chalmers is becoming his own kid and his own personality.
I said, I saw somebody the otherday online saying they didn't
like Chalmers, that he wasboring. I'm like, he's deep.

Sarah (43:27):
You're not paying enough attention to him if you think
he's boring. Yeah. But I thoughtI thought it was clever. He's
because Ricky could just walkout, right? But they want to
keep him there because theythink he's involved, and
Chalmers has to keep him busy.
And Ricky's kind of flounderingbetween wanting to be helpful
and just walking right out.

Mark (43:47):
Yeah. Because like because he knows he's involved. Ricky
wants to help the people that hecares about.

Sarah (43:53):
Uh-huh.

Mark (43:54):
And the cops are not people he cares about.

Sarah (43:56):
He starts asking him about Gjallarhorn, is Vince's
new band. Yes. Which It's thehorn that brings on the
Ragnarok.

Mark (44:04):
So Vince wants to be the loudest band ever. Yes.

Sarah (44:08):
He's never heard of Romstein. We don't get to see an
actual performance, right, inthe episode, which makes sense.
I get I get it.

Mark (44:18):
He kinda emcees, and then it's not very loud, and it's not

Sarah (44:23):
I mean, the other guy is the DJ. Yeah. He's actually
playing the music. I think Vinceis supposed to sing.

Mark (44:28):
Maybe? But then he is his own little DJ. Not how this
works.

Sarah (44:33):
But they don't come across as being like Daft Punk
or something. No. You know?Like, it's a dude. And we
haven't even talked about Aura,the girl who was in the band who
wears the, like Towel?
Hair wrap on her. Yes. It's nota scarf. It looks like it's made
of terrycloth. I don'tunderstand it.
Does. But she gets up on stageto take over when Vince stomps

(44:57):
off and sings like Taylor Swift.Like, don't know what that was
supposed that's not drum andbass either. Yeah. It's I don't
think the writers ever heard ofdrum and bass.

Mark (45:05):
No. No. I agree completely.

Sarah (45:07):
You know, if the lead singer of Metallica said, I'm
gonna start the loudest bandever, I would believe it.

Mark (45:13):
Yes.

Sarah (45:14):
But if you're just the front man for a DJ, like the
DJ's got the volume knob. He canturn it up. If you're out in
front in the mic, it's not up toyou how loud

Mark (45:25):
it is. Yeah.

Sarah (45:25):
I don't understand It's

Mark (45:27):
so weird. I think the Ragnarok stuff and the goth
angel stuff were all supposed towork together and there's parts
missing.

Sarah (45:38):
Like Lisa's costume is supposed to make her like a
Valkyrie or

Mark (45:41):
something? I think so. I think it's all it has a feeling
of a theme that never quite gotthere.

Sarah (45:48):
I can see that. Yeah. When Mike does go talk to
Brianna, the the terriblebarista

Mark (45:55):
Yes.

Sarah (45:55):
In the park

Mark (45:57):
Yes. And you win the gold star for this.

Sarah (46:00):
They pan pass a sign for the park Yes. And it's the Evan
Whitestone Memorial Garden.

Mark (46:06):
And we know who Evan Whitestone is.

Sarah (46:08):
Evan Whitestone is the former mayor of Brokenwood who
died dressed as Santa Claus in aprior episode. Yes. And now
there's a memorial garden

Mark (46:16):
in The the Christmas episode where that spawned us to
order pies.

Sarah (46:21):
Yes. Gets stuck in the chimney. Yep. I don't think
Lisa's costume is very clever.Like, I know that druggies do
drugs, but if they're willing

Mark (46:31):
to That's astute of you.

Sarah (46:32):
If they're willing to have them tested by a pharmacist
to make sure they're safe, theyI clearly don't wanna die. So do
you wanna buy drugs from theangel of death?

Mark (46:40):
No. Yeah. Like

Sarah (46:43):
Like, a white costume would have been, I think, if
you're talking sales tactics,you know.

Mark (46:48):
I'm gonna plead

Sarah (46:49):
the money and

Mark (46:51):
do business. Gonna plead the fifth here and say, no one
in this episode knows how drugdeals work. But

Sarah (47:00):
you're not gonna reveal how you know that.

Mark (47:01):
No. I

Sarah (47:02):
see. No. Refer to a comment earlier about thirty
years ago when Mark may or maynot have DJ'd at raves. I do buy
Ricky being the Buddha. Yeah.
I can see

Mark (47:14):
As soon as they said the Buddha, I was like, oh, that's
Ricky.

Sarah (47:18):
Gotta be Ricky. Yeah. Because he's a big dude. And
he's also very He

Mark (47:21):
is some fantastic hair too.

Sarah (47:23):
His hair is awesome.

Mark (47:25):
He's cut it all off. It's unfortunate.

Sarah (47:27):
He's an actor.

Mark (47:28):
The actors, obviously, he's an actor, but his hair is a
he is a really good actor.

Sarah (47:36):
Yeah. Is. He is. I liked him a lot.

Mark (47:38):
He does a really good job of playing a complex part that
didn't need to be as complex asit is.

Sarah (47:45):
Who's better at chasing Lisa? Sims or Chalmers?

Mark (47:48):
Chalmers has that I'm a big guy who can't actually run
that fast kind of feel to him,but he finds her in the chicken
coop.

Sarah (47:56):
So I I kind of feel bad for him because he can't tackle
her. No. Sims can, but I don'tthink he can.

Mark (48:04):
He might kill her

Sarah (48:05):
if he tackled I just don't think it would go over
well if a if a male policeofficer tackled a woman running.

Mark (48:12):
Yes and no. In reality, which this is not reality. No.
In reality, any cop can tackleany person, and that's the way
it should be.

Sarah (48:21):
Yeah. You gotta do what you gotta

Mark (48:22):
This person is threatening children. I don't care what you
are. Yeah. The cop needs totackle it.

Sarah (48:29):
Absolutely.

Mark (48:29):
Yes. But this is a television show.

Sarah (48:31):
And she's not, like, carrying a gun or something.

Mark (48:33):
No. No.

Sarah (48:34):
You know?

Mark (48:35):
So yeah. But So

Sarah (48:36):
he finds her in the chicken coop and said, which
must have been miserable to sitin. Don't I mean you hide where
you got to. Yeah. And she almostimmediately just confesses.

Mark (48:46):
Well, I think she's realized that she's dodged the
bullet a couple of times. Andnow, like, as soon as Mike knows
that she's the dark

Sarah (48:56):
angel It's kinda over.

Mark (48:58):
It's kinda over.

Sarah (48:59):
Her wings were in his in Vince's trailer. Yeah. Like she
kinda left it. She left all theclues that she needed to. Yes.
Between the photo and the wings.It's like she wasn't trying to
get away with it really. It doesexplain why she runs I guess. It
does but Not really.

Mark (49:15):
This is again, like Ricky sticks up for Lisa when he
shouldn't. Like, she is kindashe came to kill him. Mhmm. It's
premeditated.

Sarah (49:28):
To either get him on her side, appeal to him and if he
rejected her again, to kill him.

Mark (49:35):
But she knew

Sarah (49:36):
She brought the

Mark (49:37):
drugs she brought with the drugs with her. And I know it's
hard to understand but Ricky isthe kind of guy who wants to
make sure everybody has a goodtime and not a bad time.

Sarah (49:48):
Mhmm.

Mark (49:48):
And so her bringing that bad time drug is is not good
with him.

Sarah (49:53):
So do you think it's inconsistent then with his
character that he tells her togo get arrested as an alibi?

Mark (49:59):
No. No. I think that's completely consistent with his
character because he is the guywho tries to help the people who
don't even want to helpthemselves.

Sarah (50:09):
Mhmm. Gotcha. Yeah. It's smart though. In the moment,
it's very smart.

Mark (50:14):
Ricky is incredibly smart.

Sarah (50:16):
Yeah. And she can wash her face real fast. Yeah. In a
place with just porta potties.

Mark (50:22):
Yes.

Sarah (50:22):
I don't know how she does that. Her makeup's cool.

Mark (50:27):
I was like, when did she take down her tent?

Sarah (50:31):
When did she take down her tent? She doesn't care about
a tent. She probably didn't evenhave a tent.

Mark (50:36):
No. She has a tent. She when she's getting dressed,
she's in a tent.

Sarah (50:39):
Oh, that's right. But she's just got a backpack, so it
must fit into her tent. I Ormaybe she was borrowing a tent.
Maybe she stayed in somebodyelse's

Mark (50:46):
She came back after calling Sims a pig and then she
packed up her tent and thenleft.

Sarah (50:53):
I don't know. I was just disappointed that it wasn't
Timmy's toilets

Mark (50:56):
hauling away Yep. At

Sarah (50:59):
What happened to Timmy?

Mark (51:00):
I hope Timmy's okay, but Timmy wouldn't have got paid.

Sarah (51:03):
So Maybe he moved his business off to a bigger city.

Mark (51:06):
Maybe Timmy looked at this and went

Sarah (51:09):
No. I'm not giving you any toilets.

Mark (51:11):
Nope.

Sarah (51:12):
Cameron. Cameron. Fire Festival Cameron. This is gonna
be a failure, Cameron.

Mark (51:19):
Okay. So Lisa's going up the river. Mhmm. Unfortunately,
Ricky's going up the river.

Sarah (51:26):
He's a drug dealer.

Mark (51:27):
He's a drug dealer.

Sarah (51:28):
Sorry. That's not good. I don't think he would do much
time just for accessory afterthe fact, but the drugs are a
big deal.

Mark (51:36):
He's also an individual who helps out other people when
he really should be helpinghimself out. Yeah. If applied,
Ricky could get a life that hewanted without a lot of trouble.

Sarah (51:49):
Yeah. The other two members of the band aren't
getting anything. They're fine.Are they going to go off and be
together?

Mark (51:53):
They're just going to go off and be together.

Sarah (51:56):
Unsuccessful band.

Mark (51:57):
The DJ guy is the most laid back human being ever.
Yeah. And he plays that partreally well.

Sarah (52:04):
Yeah. Do you think the next festival is gonna be
Yodeling Festival?

Mark (52:07):
I don't think it's gonna be Yodeling. I think it's gonna
be a nice little rock festivalthat he has and he builds on his
success.

Sarah (52:14):
He should do a folk rock festival. I think that

Mark (52:16):
would Or a country festival.

Sarah (52:19):
Oh, yeehaw. No.

Mark (52:23):
Chalmers Funk Festival.

Sarah (52:26):
I do think that Cameron will be Okay. And I was
surprised that Doug was willingto host the next one. It's Okay
if you don't pay me is onething, but I'm willing to let
you host another one here is awhole another level. But Doug's
mellowing in his old age.

Mark (52:42):
I think that the value of giving people a second chance
there is important.

Sarah (52:48):
Yeah. Wow. Way to end on a fun note.

Mark (52:51):
It kinda

Sarah (52:52):
It's sad. Story is really sad.

Mark (52:55):
It gets sad at the end.

Sarah (52:57):
Her son's in foster care. It's it's and she's going to
prison.

Mark (53:00):
Yeah. She's not gonna see much of her son. No. It's
unfortunate, but maybe sheshouldn't have killed somebody.

Sarah (53:07):
Well, the big lesson though is that you should double
check your posters before youhave them printed. Yes. Because
that would have solved a lot

Mark (53:15):
of things. It's important to have more than one person
look at things.

Sarah (53:19):
Be like sheep. Sheep don't care.

Mark (53:21):
Sheep don't

Sarah (53:22):
care. They're much more laid back.

Mark (53:24):
There was a baby sheep.

Sarah (53:25):
There was a couple of baby They were so cute. And if
you're sad, just go to themortuary. It's a happy place.

Mark (53:31):
This is my happy place.

Sarah (53:33):
What's the next episode?

Mark (53:36):
The next episode of Brokenwood, which will be in
August. Okay? We're taking aweek off because

Sarah (53:44):
Sorry.

Mark (53:45):
I cannot believe it is gen con time again.

Sarah (53:49):
Yes. Mark is off to gen con.

Mark (53:51):
So our next episode will not be until the August 11.

Sarah (53:59):
It's season eight episode three.

Mark (54:00):
Yes. Spark to a flame. I read the synopsis of this and I
still don't know what it'sabout.

Sarah (54:08):
Oh, it'll be a surprise.

Mark (54:10):
In a remote community of of beaches at Palatay Pointe

Sarah (54:15):
Wait a minute. Beaches or beaches?

Mark (54:19):
Beaches. Like sandy beaches. A local resident ends
up

Sarah (54:24):
I was like, that sounds like a feisty community. Yeah.
No wonder they're remote ifthey're all beaches.

Mark (54:29):
I would have remembered the beaches. A local resident
ends up bludgeoned to death byan unknown blunt object and
locked inside a house not herown. I don't remember this
episode. Oh, I do. Okay.
You do?

Sarah (54:44):
Mhmm. Okay.

Mark (54:45):
I don't remember this episode.

Sarah (54:46):
I'm not gonna say anything because I'm not gonna
give anything away to anybodywho hasn't seen it. I remember
it.

Mark (54:51):
So that will be on released on August 11. We're
taking a week off because I'mgonna go play board games with
my friends.

Sarah (54:59):
Trying to go be a nerd for the weekend. It's wonderful.
It's your turn.

Mark (55:04):
Roll the ice. There's no there's no mystery maniacs board
game, but

Sarah (55:09):
There could be.

Mark (55:10):
I don't wanna know why it would be on. There was the big I
can't believe we still arestunned by the fact that
somebody made a bingo card, notabout the shows, but about our
show.

Sarah (55:22):
Yeah. One of the highlights in the last six years
for sure because we're thatpredictable sometimes, I guess.

Mark (55:32):
So before we go, I wanna say thank you to my cohost
because I wouldn't do this showwithout you. It would be weird
if I would be just talking heregoing, I guess so. Oh. With no
one else to talk to and I it's Itell people that I get to spend
hours every weekend talking tomy wife and we laugh and have

(55:56):
fun and our children will havethis record of us. I would
rather do

Sarah (56:01):
it with anybody but you. No. I wouldn't do it with
anybody but you. It's beenreally fun and we've got lots
more to go.

Mark (56:08):
Lots more to go. We're not

Sarah (56:09):
going anywhere.

Mark (56:10):
So we will return for episode 245.

Sarah (56:14):
Wait a minute. The episode on, like, it's it's such
a emotional sweet thing. Yes.That was very nice of you. I
didn't know you were gonna dothat.

Mark (56:22):
I know. I sneak you like this.

Sarah (56:24):
You're full of surprises.

Mark (56:25):
Episode 245, Spark to a Flame. Bye, Maniacs.

Sarah (56:31):
Bye, Maniacs.

Mark (56:33):
Thanks for joining us on the Mystery Maniacs podcast. If
you enjoyed our crazy podcasttoday, don't miss out on future
episodes. Follow us on socialmedia for updates, beyond the
scenes content, and exclusivesneak peeks. Subscribe, like,
and share to spread the word.Bye, maniacs.

Sarah (56:50):
Oh, I'd rather go to the dentist And

Mark (56:52):
than watch would rather go

Sarah (56:54):
to the dentist. And I've had some dentists lately, and
I'd go back.

Mark (56:57):
I will have to watch that at work.

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