Unnamed Background Nun | Brokenwood | "Nun of the Above" | Mystery Maniacs Podcast EP251 - Mystery Maniacs

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Sarah (00:00):
To me, that's a nun driving a car. So you know.

(00:03):
Maybe a Barnaby's party. Hey,maniacs.

Mark (00:21):
Hey, mystery maniacs. Mystery maniacs is a comedy
recap podcast dedicated tomystery TV. Each week, we dig
into an episode of a showincluding the murders, the
mayhem, the loonies, andeverything else we love.

Sarah (00:35):
This week, Brokenwood Mystery season nine episode
three, none of the above.

Mark (00:39):
I'd like to remind the people on YouTube looking to
pirate the shows that we talkabout that this is a podcast.

Sarah (00:47):
So you don't need to leave a comment that goes, I'd
rather watch this show thanlisten to this. Okay. It's not
an either or. Go away. Yeah.
None of the above.

Mark (00:56):
I The

Sarah (00:56):
most the most foreboding multiple choice answer to c.

Mark (01:00):
Yes. Yes. I'm Mark.

Sarah (01:03):
I'm Sarah. If you let your kids go

Mark (01:05):
to a nunnery, you can let them watch.

Sarah (01:07):
They don't have to be nuns to go there either.

Mark (01:09):
That's true.

Sarah (01:10):
So that's cool.

Mark (01:11):
Did you ever any experience with nuns when you
were growing up? No. It's not a

Sarah (01:17):
I take that back. My mom worked at a Catholic hospital
for most of my life, and therewere nuns there on occasion. But
I never had any interaction withthem. But she did and she had
funny stories about it.

Mark (01:27):
Yeah. Not really. And then, have I mentioned on the
podcast before that I saw a nunin a car accident?

Sarah (01:35):
No. Did I know Was she okay?

Mark (01:37):
She's okay. Okay. First of all, two things. One, she was
okay. And two, I did help her.

Sarah (01:44):
Okay.

Mark (01:44):
Okay. But she got hit by a car crossing the road.

Sarah (01:47):
Oh, no.

Mark (01:48):
And I saw it and told people to go call the police and
gave her first aid.

Sarah (01:54):
I don't consider that a car accident.

Mark (01:56):
Yeah. She got hit by a car.

Sarah (01:57):
Yeah. To me, that's a nun driving a car. You know, maybe
maybe a Barnaby's farty car.

Mark (02:04):
Yes. She had bumps and bruises, but no broken bones or
anything

Sarah (02:07):
like that. You ever watched The Flying Nun?

Mark (02:09):
No. I never watched it was too young for me.

Sarah (02:12):
Sister Act?

Mark (02:13):
Yeah. Sister Act Maybe. Maybe. I might have seen I

Sarah (02:17):
don't think I've ever even seen that.

Mark (02:19):
I think I saw Sister Act two in the movie theater.

Sarah (02:23):
Electric Boo Boo?

Mark (02:24):
It was not my choice. It's not my choice to go see that
movie.

Sarah (02:31):
Oh, okay.

Mark (02:31):
Before Speaking of movies.

Sarah (02:33):
Yes. Before we dive into the episode We got

Mark (02:35):
three trailers that we wanna talk about. The first,
these are the three mostdifferent trailers possible. The
first one is Marama, which is aNew Zealand film about a young
woman and her relation tocolonialism in the nineteenth
century. It looks incrediblygood Mhmm. Incredibly moving

(02:58):
Beautiful.
Beautiful.

Sarah (03:00):
But mysterious. Incredibly serious. But
mysterious.

Mark (03:04):
And full of wailing and tattoos Mhmm. Which I think it
Wailing

Sarah (03:09):
as in like the big mammals in the ocean.

Mark (03:12):
Yes. There is some of that too.

Sarah (03:14):
Maybe. I guess.

Mark (03:15):
Maybe. I'll put that trailer in. The next trailer is
the one I'm most excited about,which is Fak them all.

Sarah (03:25):
F a

Mark (03:26):
C k h a m. Okay. Which looks to be a fantastic parody
Mhmm. Of everything that wecover.

Sarah (03:35):
Every murder at a at a country home Yes. Ever.

Mark (03:39):
It stars Damian Lewis who plays the the the sort of elder
statesman of the house Mhmm. Whohas no idea what's going on.

Sarah (03:49):
No. And Jimmy Carr as The priest.

Mark (03:53):
The priest.

Sarah (03:53):
The vicar.

Mark (03:54):
The vicar.

Sarah (03:55):
It's kind of like, from the trailer anyway, if a country
shooting weekend mystery clashedwith Monty Python?

Mark (04:04):
A little with a little bit, bear with me, A little bit
of Carry On on there too.

Sarah (04:09):
I think so too. Yeah. But it's the trailer's hilarious. We
watched it a few times becausewe miss stuff every time.

Mark (04:15):
Yep. And everyone is in it. Everybody. Every single
person who you've ever known isin it. Your aunt Mary, she's in
it in the background.

Sarah (04:25):
All 12 of the British actors.

Mark (04:27):
All 12 of the British actors. Yeah. And then finally,
the last trailer that droppedthis week that that was super
interesting to us was SevenDials.

Sarah (04:35):
Mhmm.

Mark (04:35):
And Seven Dials is a Agatha Christie book and it is
an introduction to a new youngwoman playing an Agatha Christie
heroine. Mhmm. And I think itlooks super good. It's gonna be
on Netflix and we are eager tosee that

Sarah (04:54):
as well. Absolutely.

Mark (04:57):
There is also discussion online that BBC is casting for a
new marble and somebody made asuggestion on Instagram for that
new marble and I totally agree.Who? Cadell. What's her name?
What's her first name?
From the

Sarah (05:15):
The dryer lady from Midsummer?

Mark (05:17):
The dryer lady from Midsummer. Phyllis. Phyllis
Caddell.

Sarah (05:21):
Yeah. But what's the actress's name? Yes. She's not
Phyllis Caddell in real life.No.
Oh, just imagine if that was heractual Anyways, later she goes
on to run a hotel. So, know, inmidsummer anyway.

Mark (05:36):
Selena Caddell was her name.

Sarah (05:39):
Why did I think it was Phyllis?

Mark (05:41):
Because that's the character she plays. Oh. In
Badger's Drift.

Sarah (05:45):
And her real name is Selena Caddell? Yes. What's her
name in Badger's Drift?

Mark (05:50):
Phyllis Caddell.

Sarah (05:51):
She has the same last name as her character?

Mark (05:53):
Yes.

Sarah (05:53):
What? Oh, no wonder we were confused.

Mark (05:58):
I think we leave all of that in except for the long She
really

Sarah (06:02):
is. Fellas. Yeah.

Mark (06:03):
She

Sarah (06:04):
anyways. Did they give her the part because she had the
same name?

Mark (06:07):
I do not know.

Sarah (06:09):
Anyway. Somebody recommended that that actress
Selena Caddell play Miss Marple.

Mark (06:14):
The new Marple. And they said she has the smarts, she has
the chops, and she has the crazytoo.

Sarah (06:23):
Think She's capable of all those things. She's not the
character that she plays, I'msure. You know, she kind of is,
but her name is the same.

Mark (06:31):
I think she would be good. What do you think?

Sarah (06:34):
Yeah. Sure.

Mark (06:36):
But I'm open to you know it'll be a duck face. There will
be some duck face involved init.

Sarah (06:42):
Only you keep track of the duck faces. Meanwhile, a
couple of things that we've beenwatching. We did finish the
first season of of Murder byEvensong. Yes. Or Death by
Evensong.
Which one is it?

Mark (06:54):
It's death after Evensong. That's it. Or death before
Evensong. It's the other before.

Sarah (07:00):
It's the Evensong show.

Mark (07:01):
Yes.

Sarah (07:01):
I was happy with the end. We're not gonna give it away. I
look forward to another seasonof it.

Mark (07:06):
There was one problem with the ending that was pointed out
online in a couple places I saw.So now It's not perfect. I have
to read the book to see if theyif they deal with it in a better
way. Things are so sped up Yeah.In television.
And that's a six part series.It's six hours and it's still

(07:27):
incredibly sped up.

Sarah (07:28):
Mhmm. It's different medium. Plot like that. They
have different cuttings.

Mark (07:32):
So you have to tell a different

Sarah (07:33):
Trades out.

Mark (07:34):
Yeah. Which is exactly what happened in Thursday Murder
Club and and all the other onesthat we've talked about that are
books. Mhmm. Right? Likeespecially Thursday Murder Club,
they took that whole book andput it into two hours.

Sarah (07:48):
Yeah.

Mark (07:48):
Where they should have made it like six weeks.

Sarah (07:52):
Yeah. That's what we said before.

Mark (07:54):
Yep.

Sarah (07:54):
So well worth watching if you haven't started it yet. I
thought it was fun. We've alsobeen watching the new Magritte
on BritBox. I recommend thattoo. The first episode is kind
of a slog.
They have a lot of, as typical,a lot of world building to do.
He becomes much more likable,and the characters around him
much more likable. And I thinkit's more procedural than most

(08:16):
things that we watch, but it'sstill fun.

Mark (08:19):
It's more procedural procedural. And it also suffers
from the same thing that theother Murder Club show, I forget
the name of it.

Sarah (08:28):
The Marlowe Murder Club?

Mark (08:29):
The Marlowe Murder Club show suffers from, which is
there is a like, there's 30 copsin that room. Yeah. And Magritte
has a little bit of that too.

Sarah (08:39):
Yeah. Which do you like better? The new Lindley or the
new Magritte?

Mark (08:43):
I like what I want. The show I want is the the sidekick
from Linley and the femalesidekick from Magritte that
doesn't do like, she's not likehis full time sidekick Mhmm. But
that lady from The Office, thosetwo, I want that show. Because

(09:08):
like middle not middle aged.Okay.
They are children to me but menin their thirties and early
forties who lead, who are white,who lead with their chin and
their shoulders are boring to menow. I just have I have no
interest in them at all.

Sarah (09:28):
I gotcha. I gotcha. I think I prefer McGreet only
because they kept the problemwith Linley that's always bugged
me with Linley in that he andBarbara, his sidekick, are
really good at shootingthemselves in the foot. Yes. And
I don't like watching peoplemake mistakes.
That's a bad thing. Why are youdoing that? Stop that. That kind

(09:50):
of gets on my nerves. It's alittle bit less in the new
version.
But still obviously both bothtotally worthwhile.

Mark (09:58):
It also suffers from the new Lindley also suffers from
the, you don't really need to dothat. Like, you don't have to
work, dude.

Sarah (10:07):
Yeah.

Mark (10:08):
And I know in the books and I know in the series as it
went on, the other series, theolder Lindley series, they got
into why he's doing what he'sdoing.

Sarah (10:18):
His relationship with his family and why he chooses to

Mark (10:21):
But there needs to be a little

Sarah (10:22):
more of that upfront. Can only do so much.

Mark (10:25):
That's true.

Sarah (10:26):
Couple things that we have coming up. We have been
receiving some awesome on theLive scene show. On the scene
reports from people who've beento see the live show midsummer.
Pictures and all sorts ofthings. Great stuff.
Yep. So we'll have some of thosesoon. And Mark has promised us a
video game review of the newPoirot Yes. Video game

Mark (10:46):
That'll set be out soon.

Sarah (10:47):
Disco era and And And we're gonna make sure he does
it.

Mark (10:49):
Also, one of the people who went to see the show is
sending us a program. So, assoon as we get that, we'll take
some pictures.

Sarah (10:55):
That's so awesome.

Mark (10:56):
That's fantastic.

Sarah (10:57):
We'll have swag even though we didn't get to go.
Alright. Are you ready? None ofthe above?

Mark (11:01):
None of the above. Poor Chalmers.

Sarah (11:05):
He looks he looks like a Mormon.

Mark (11:06):
He he is tough in this episode. Every nun joke he makes
doesn't land. He's gotta he'sgotta chase Dean through the the
bar, and the woman mistakes himfor a moron.

Sarah (11:20):
He does wear the short button up shirt and tie.

Mark (11:23):
Yes.

Sarah (11:24):
So you wanna give us the air dates and all that good
stuff?

Mark (11:27):
Okay. Originally aired the 04/24/2023, which is like five
minutes ago.

Sarah (11:34):
You say that every week. You know that. Right?

Mark (11:36):
And as expected this is directed by Sima Valley U Rail
and written by Sarah Kate Lynch.This is the product of different
this is a this is an example ofwomen telling a different story
than a man would tell.

Sarah (11:53):
Mhmm.

Mark (11:54):
And I think that makes that's the strength of it.

Sarah (11:57):
A warning, we're gonna spoil it. We're gonna talk about
who the killer is and give awaythe ending. So if you haven't
watched it, go watch it and comeback. Rather than going in
chronological order, I wouldlike to take on Saint Monica's
first.

Mark (12:10):
Okay. So Saint Monica's and the Little Sisters is a
convent until we believe it'snot a convent. So we learn over
time that that it's not actuallya convent.

Sarah (12:23):
It's not actually affiliated with the
Catholic church.

Mark (12:25):
Convent cosplay.

Sarah (12:26):
They're an independent convent, an unaffiliated
convent.

Mark (12:30):
I guess so, but they made a lot of buildings and bought
land and this is a goingenterprise.

Sarah (12:36):
Now It's a we We get a little bit of a red herring for
a little while. We suspect thatmaybe they're all up to no good,
that maybe the mother superioris a big fat liar, and they're
all just criminals or whatever.And then we find out that
actually they're up to very goodthings, even though they might
be breaking the law a littlebit. And that though they aren't

(12:57):
affiliated with the church andshe's been lying about that, she
is doing very good work there.So we just preface all of that.

Mark (13:05):
So the the question I have for you is, okay, I'm not one of
the pot growing nuns. I'm notthe alcoholic nun. I'm not the
Video game playing nun.Intravenous nun or the video
game playing nun. I'm none ofthose principles.
I'm just a regular nun in thisgroup.

Sarah (13:24):
You're an unnamed background nun.

Mark (13:25):
I'm an unnamed background nun. Okay. Call me sister. Okay.
Just sister.

Sarah (13:32):
Sister. Sister.

Mark (13:33):
Sister. How much do I know about this criminal organization
that I am part of?

Sarah (13:38):
I think they all know about it.

Mark (13:40):
I I think they do.

Sarah (13:41):
They have to.

Mark (13:41):
I think they all know everything. Yes. The vow of
silence thing, which isimportant in the first twenty
minutes of the show, but thenquickly forgotten.

Sarah (13:52):
Mhmm.

Mark (13:53):
What do you think they're doing there? Like, why did they
have that?

Sarah (13:57):
Well, in reality, a vow of silence really isn't a thing.
It's a practice, not an oath ora vow. And it differs by order,
right? Orders just have like anhour or two a day of silence.
And it's supposed to encourageyou to be more reflective and

(14:18):
meditative.

Mark (14:18):
It's a meditative process. So the fact

Sarah (14:21):
that they have a 20 fourseven, three sixty five,
unless they're singing vow ofsilence, I think is a bit of a
storytelling tool

Mark (14:31):
Yes.

Sarah (14:31):
To prevent them from speaking.

Mark (14:34):
And

Sarah (14:34):
I don't know if we're meant to think that that's
conveniently implemented morebroadly because of the crime,
AKA Mother Superior said, youknow how we're silent from five
to seven? We're going to pretendwe're silent all the time. Okay?
So zip your lips. Don't talk tothe police.

Mark (14:50):
Yeah. I

Sarah (14:53):
don't know which of those

Mark (14:54):
it is. I think it's just played story wise here. Mhmm.
And it's fun. You know, thechalkboard and the Notepad.
The notepad and everything andall those things. I think there
was no man.

Sarah (15:08):
I don't understand why that sister writes WZWUZ when
that that is no shorter than theword was. You get to spell it
right.

Mark (15:17):
And spells horticultural Yeah. Fully. Exactly. So they
have all sorts of fun with that.

Sarah (15:24):
But let's go back to the beginning of this convent. Yes.
Right?

Mark (15:29):
Yes. This is the problem that we have.

Sarah (15:32):
So the mother the mother superior was an actual Catholic
nun Yes. Who was raped ormolested or something by a
priest. She wasn't believed.They took his word over hers.
And she was either kicked out orchose to leave, Okay?
So she leaves the convent thatshe was an actual nun at and

(15:54):
starts this one.

Mark (15:55):
And then she wins the lottery.

Sarah (15:56):
Well, yeah. We know that she pays cash for this land and
the house that's on it. Wheredoes she get that money? Ridge
and She would have taken a vowof poverty.

Mark (16:08):
I I don't remember any nuns being flush with cash. I
mean you can

Sarah (16:12):
get an inheritance or something. Maybe. But when you
inherit something, if you're anun, you donate it to the
church.

Mark (16:18):
So there's that problem. The second problem I have is,
okay, I've decided as a nun thathas just inherited $50,000 from
her aunt.

Sarah (16:28):
No. It was more like didn't they say she she paid
like over a $100,000 for her?

Mark (16:33):
Okay. Okay. Anyway. Let's say I inherited $200,000 from my
dead aunt.

Sarah (16:37):
Okay.

Mark (16:38):
Dead aunt. And now, I'd like to set up a convent that
isn't affiliated with the churchbecause I don't like the church.

Sarah (16:47):
Down with the I buy all that. Mhmm.

Mark (16:50):
So I'm gonna set this up.

Sarah (16:52):
How does she recruit the first nun?

Mark (16:53):
How does she get number one?

Sarah (16:57):
The first one is the hardest.

Mark (17:00):
Later on, I understand.

Sarah (17:02):
Yeah. And if she'd said, I left that convent, and sister
so and so came with me insupport because she agreed that
they had done wrong, then atleast there would have been two
of them. I would get it. Or ifshe said the prior convent that
she was at specialized in takingin and providing aid to women

(17:23):
who had been victims of domesticviolence, then maybe she had
connections. I would get it.
But she doesn't say any of thosethings. So we just have this
image of the mother superiorlike crawling the streets
looking for somebody to be thefirst nun.

Mark (17:40):
Yes. Come with me.

Sarah (17:42):
Come home with me. Be my first nun.

Mark (17:43):
It's very strange. And then having convinced that
person that what you're doing,you then say, and we can't talk
about it. Yeah. I can talk, butyou can't talk. Right.
Makes it incredibly difficult.

Sarah (17:59):
Well, there's so many shows we've seen where there's a
death at a convent or amonastery where only the head
honcho is allowed to speak tothe police and everybody else
has to say something. I mean,it's common trope. I love that
the nuns are all characters.Like, Eulalia is my favorite.
She is so funny.

(18:21):
And and then done with herphone, like, playing her game,
like

Mark (18:24):
I re I relistened to when the moment where she burns her
hand. Mhmm. Just to be surebecause she says, holy fuck.
Yeah. And they play around withthat.
Yeah. The video game nun, myfavorite part of the episode,

(18:44):
and this is horrible, but myfavorite part of the episode is
when Jonah kills the woman bymistake with the cord.

Sarah (18:53):
She doesn't notice because she's so

Mark (18:55):
lying there. She doesn't notice the murder or the dead
body because she's playing hervideo game.

Sarah (19:03):
You know, Minecraft is really absorbing. I don't know
what she's playing.

Mark (19:07):
She's on the Roblox bag.

Sarah (19:08):
Some kind of dungeon crawler. That could happen in
our house.

Mark (19:12):
For sure. I often wonder when I leave the house, if
anyone has noticed, and willnotice when I get back.

Sarah (19:19):
Mhmm.

Mark (19:20):
And I don't mean Sarah.

Sarah (19:21):
A serp I mean the children. I can't say this word.
Super fluidy? Yes. Is thatright?

Mark (19:28):
Yes.

Sarah (19:28):
Is a collective noun for nuns.

Mark (19:31):
Okay. I thought a nunnery or a convent was

Sarah (19:34):
That's where they live.

Mark (19:35):
I know but that's what I thought. Sims is they do a
really good job with Sims herebecause she has that. I was part
of that once but I dislike itnow, but I know everything about
it thing.

Sarah (19:48):
Mhmm.

Mark (19:49):
Now, I don't know how many, I don't think we've
mentioned this on the podcastbefore, but my first wife when
Wax met

Sarah (19:56):
you on her knuckles with a ruler?

Mark (19:57):
No. When I met her was in the LDS church, and then since
left the LDS church while wewere married. So I have a more
than passing understanding ofLDS. Mhmm. I did not join the
church or anything like that.
But I I recognize that situationthat Sims is plays really well

(20:20):
here.

Sarah (20:20):
She becomes kind of a translator for them. Yes. Which
is And he walks. Wow. That'sbecause Todd's a moron.
The overriding thing about thisepisode for me is grass stings.
Yes. Why is everybody in whitetumbling around in dirt,
skidding across grass? Like,they don't need any other clues

(20:41):
other than they could have justsaid, show me your pants. Yes.
You clearly strangled somebodybecause you got grass stains on
your pants. How Why do all thepeople at the bowling club have
to wear white? Why do all thenuns have to wear white? Why do
they all end up rolling aroundin the grass?

Mark (20:56):
There's a lot of wood.

Sarah (20:57):
Who's gonna get those things out? There's no bleach
clean enough. There's no organicremover that's gonna get that
out. They should all be like,all the nuns should be dingy
from the waist down.

Mark (21:11):
You know?

Sarah (21:12):
Like when sister Grace Marie accidentally drops her
cord, her sinker, and But howthe does tomato she sauce

Mark (21:19):
do that?

Sarah (21:19):
Because she's she's holding it up to keep it from
getting dirty. Oh. And then sheturns, and when she pivots, it
goes in. Plop. They must havesuper powerful God given
detergent there because she getsit totally clean.

Mark (21:35):
So get this. Get this.

Sarah (21:39):
We Get the stains out, sister.

Mark (21:40):
Out,

Sarah (21:44):
damp spot. That's the business they should have been
in. Yes. They wouldn't have tosell pot to make money. They
could just be laundry magicians.

Mark (21:50):
Run a laundry magician.

Sarah (21:52):
We can get any stain out of anything.

Mark (21:55):
So then you have you have that, but then you have the
bigger picture, which is all ofthose people who were acting as
nuns had to do all of thosethings. And the wardrobe, we'll
have

Sarah (22:07):
to ask our wardrobe consultant about this. Them
clean?

Mark (22:11):
How did you keep the nuns clean? Because the like, okay.
Just the scene where Dean getskneading the

Sarah (22:19):
balls Mhmm.

Mark (22:21):
That scene alone has two nuns rolling around on the
floor. They're stained.

Sarah (22:26):
There's grass all

Mark (22:27):
over there. Maybe grass doesn't stain you in New
Zealand. It's special nonstaining grass.

Sarah (22:32):
Maybe they have magical habits that don't stain.

Mark (22:35):
Did you I knew you were going to look into why it was
called a habit, did you?

Sarah (22:40):
It's just from the same origin of a habit, meaning the
regular thing that you do everyday.

Mark (22:45):
Yeah, it's the regular thing you wear every day.

Sarah (22:48):
Exactly. It just bugs me the whole time, and I'm not a
neat nick. I'm not like, well,okay. I do wear black head to
toe every day, not because I'mgoth, but because I spill stuff
all the time

Mark (23:01):
Yes.

Sarah (23:01):
And I know I can get it out of black clothes, cannot get
it out of white clothes.

Mark (23:04):
I don't wear whites. Okay. I have a question. Okay? This is
my question.
Based on this episode and theyoung men in Broken Wood that
we've seen Mhmm. I have come totwo conclusions. The first
conclusion is, I understand whySims is single. Yeah. I do not

(23:24):
understand why Chalmers issingle.
When faced with a choice

Sarah (23:30):
Women between should be hunting him down You have a job.
Hey.

Mark (23:35):
Dean, Todd, and Frodo, along with the other Odes
gentlemen.

Sarah (23:42):
Don't forget. In our last episode, was it Charlie?
Charles? Yes. Even though he waswealthy, he was still a prick.
Yes. So, like, even the wealthyguys aren't catches.

Mark (23:54):
Chalmers and the guy who ran did the construction in the
musical episode Yeah. Are thetwo nicest men that we've seen.

Sarah (24:03):
Yeah.

Mark (24:04):
Why and he had a girlfriend. Why does Chalmers
not have

Sarah (24:07):
a girlfriend? He had a girlfriend. Who's the killer?
No. That guy.

Mark (24:11):
Oh, yes.

Sarah (24:12):
He had

Mark (24:12):
he had a girlfriend.

Sarah (24:13):
She was the guy in

Mark (24:14):
the sweater. Yes. Yes. So he's single now.

Sarah (24:22):
Yeah. Chalmers is like the catch of Brokenwood, I
think.

Mark (24:28):
Speaking of Frodo, he has a new coffee

Sarah (24:33):
van. That's because the super stealthy lady stole it.
Remember? Super stealthy ladystole it. Woman stole it.

Mark (24:39):
What I actually think happened is the contract that
they had with the people thatwould did the van before don't
do with the van with themanymore.

Sarah (24:49):
I think they just wanted to have Frodo moving up in the
world.

Mark (24:52):
Well, is. He's now got chalkboards with types of
muffins on them.

Sarah (24:57):
And an espresso machine. An espresso machine.

Mark (25:00):
He has chocolate chip and chocolate muffins, though he's
out. Because the early What isChalmers doing eating a
chocolate muffin? His bros fromthe gym are gonna run-in and go,
dude.

Sarah (25:12):
And he's wearing a white shirt. He's trying to get it all
over himself.

Mark (25:17):
What are you doing eating a chocolate muffin?

Sarah (25:19):
It doesn't matter because Ernie is eating five.

Mark (25:22):
And then Ernie has like five chocolate muffins.

Sarah (25:26):
I love that when Chalmers approaches Ernie at the table
and says, I was just here for amuffin. Ernie suddenly realizes
that he should try to I don'tknow if he's trying to, like,
hide how many he has Or keepjust protect them. Don't look at
my muffins.

Mark (25:41):
Oh, and like Frodo also gave him a little individual
carrier for each of the muffins.Yeah.

Sarah (25:50):
Gina.

Mark (25:50):
So let's talk about Ernie.

Sarah (25:52):
Oh, okay. Yeah.

Mark (25:53):
Ernie is an individual

Sarah (25:56):
who goes to The bowling club.

Mark (25:59):
The bowling club. And by bowling club

Sarah (26:01):
Though he should probably be in Sunset Manor.

Mark (26:04):
Yes. By bowling club we mean

Sarah (26:06):
Lawn bowling.

Mark (26:06):
The lawn blowing.

Sarah (26:08):
Old people in white clothes. Yes. If they're not
taking them off.

Mark (26:12):
Did you notice the lady from Sunset Manor was the lady
from Sunset Manor? Mhmm. Yep. Soreoccurrence of her. Mhmm.
So Ernie is a bit of a druggie.Yeah.

Sarah (26:25):
He has his connection with the van driver nun.

Mark (26:28):
Now, I want to separate Ernie from the discussion that
we have to have about THC andits actual properties. That is a
separate thing. Okay. So Ernieand his wife don't get along.
Mhmm.
But she covers for him. Mhmm.She says they went to the doctor
because But he didn't show up.But he didn't show up and she's

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concerned about him. And then,he's on O'Malley's farm with
another lady and he

Sarah (26:58):
goes Yvette.

Mark (26:59):
It's not what you think it is. Ernie, it's exactly what we
think it is. You're getting highout there with some other woman.
Mhmm. Like, that is problematic,dude.

Sarah (27:13):
I don't think they were gonna get it on. They're like
80. It isn't what you think itis.

Mark (27:18):
No. I think, okay.

Sarah (27:20):
It's two old people getting high and giggling
together in an abandoned barn.Probably gonna burn it down, by
the way. And that's exactly what

Mark (27:27):
they think it white clothes. So she gets tied up.
The girlfriend tries to runaway. And she gets tied up.

Sarah (27:33):
Yvette.

Mark (27:34):
And then Ernie gets tied up as well. But they give the
clue which is she said she wasgonna take him to a safe place.
Right. Now let's talk about THCand

Sarah (27:44):
Wait a minute. What was your point about Ernie?

Mark (27:45):
I just wanted to cover Ernie Ernie because Ernie is an
interesting character and Ithink him and Ernie, Ernie and
Yvette are up to no good, butthat's just me.

Sarah (27:54):
Can they even be up to no good?

Mark (27:57):
Certainly not on whatever THC product these people are
selling.

Sarah (28:02):
I'm worried about how they're gonna get home.

Mark (28:04):
Let's cover what this THC does to old people. Number one,
it makes them remove clothing.

Sarah (28:13):
Yes. And run around and streak.

Mark (28:17):
And then second of all, Ernie has like no memory of five
minutes ago. Like he's takingtoo much.

Sarah (28:25):
So you can think what you want about whether or not that
behavior realistic as a resultof taking some kind of pot
gummy, but I don't think that wecan judge the combination of old
age dementia, Alzheimer's,whatever he has that makes him
need to to see a memory doctoranyway, plus the impact of the
drugs. I think that's a bitunpredictable.

Mark (28:47):
Plus he's right full of muffin.

Sarah (28:50):
So much muffin. I mean, who knows what effect that'll
have on you? I guess. Goodnessknows what Frodo puts in his
muffins. Would you buy a muffinthat Frodo made?
So

Mark (29:00):
Frodo sells bran, chocolate chip, chocolate, and
walnut muffins? What's a walnutmuffin?

Sarah (29:07):
It's a regular muffin with walnuts in it.

Mark (29:09):
Okay.

Sarah (29:10):
I'm guessing he buys them from somebody. Otis
Spontenreier. Could it be Dean?Dean's a gardener.

Mark (29:17):
So the thing that we've seen that we saw in the episode
that we really liked, we bothmade notice of it when we were
watching it, is in Dean'sflashback, he is living in a
magical world.

Sarah (29:31):
When he gives his alibi and says, I couldn't have been
there. I was gardening. He'ssitting at the

Mark (29:36):
little table outside. Sitting at the little table
outside.

Sarah (29:38):
His house is nice and neat

Mark (29:40):
and he's got sunshine. Yep. It's beautiful. And then
when they go, they realize thatmaybe

Sarah (29:46):
He lives in a dirt hole?

Mark (29:47):
That's not the case.

Sarah (29:49):
His dead plants. Well, if you guys weren't bothering me.

Mark (29:52):
And he sells some THC gummies to two young ladies at a
hen party. Mhmm. What do you I'mI'm worried what happened then.

Sarah (30:03):
Let's hope they react better to them than the old
people at the bowling.

Mark (30:06):
Is Ernie going to the hen party?

Sarah (30:08):
No, but the whole hen party is gonna streak through
the bowling club later.

Mark (30:11):
And then he goes, he goes, I have it all on tape.

Sarah (30:15):
Do you really?

Mark (30:16):
And Chalmers is like, do you really? It's a good idea.
No, but it's a good

Sarah (30:20):
Should have thought of that.

Mark (30:22):
Meanwhile, Chalmers is still single.

Sarah (30:25):
Part of what makes the murder at the convent difficult
to solve is that the nuns don'tgo by their real names, They
take on a name when they taketheir vows. That's a real thing
that happens. So Angelica, thevictim, isn't really Angelica.
She has that's her nun name.

Mark (30:47):
And it is not uncommon for nuns to take on male names. No.
Because names of the saints.

Sarah (30:53):
Sister Francis, Sister Michael. Sister Michael. You
know? Yeah. So I thought

Mark (30:59):
I love how Chalmers is like Mary Magdalene. I know that
one.

Sarah (31:01):
Yeah. I thought we might choose some nun names.

Mark (31:04):
Okay.

Sarah (31:04):
Or in your case, you could you could have a muck
name.

Mark (31:07):
Okay.

Sarah (31:07):
And and I I have some some candidates for you.

Mark (31:10):
Okay. I have one already.

Sarah (31:12):
Oh, you do?

Mark (31:13):
Yes. Oh, what's yours? Well, as a small child, that was
full of vim and vigor, me and mybest friends made up names for
each other. I think mostlybecause my main best friend has
the greatest name ever.

Sarah (31:28):
Yeah. He does have a spy name.

Mark (31:30):
And we had to combat that. Mhmm. So his name is

Sarah (31:35):
No. You shouldn't say his name.

Mark (31:36):
His name is not

Sarah (31:39):
He has a spy his super spy name. His his name is

Mark (31:42):
is a super spy name. Vincent and my other friend and
I came up with equally spy likenames. Mhmm. So Vincent went by
Vincenzo. Vincenzo?
Yes. Mhmm. And his last name youadded to know. It rolls off the
tongue. And I was MarcusBelliosus.

Sarah (32:05):
You're a Roman general or something.

Mark (32:08):
Yes. So that is my monk name.

Sarah (32:11):
You're gonna be brother Marcus Belliosus. Marcus
Belliosus. I've got better namesfor you. I think maybe you
should be brother Mungo.

Mark (32:18):
Mungo.

Sarah (32:19):
Because that's a saint's name. These are all

Mark (32:22):
saints' Who is Mungo the saint of? The saint of farting
cowboys. If you don't rememberMungo is a character

Sarah (32:31):
blazes saddles.

Mark (32:32):
Saddles. Could that would not be made today, but it's
hilarious.

Sarah (32:35):
You could speaking of hilarious, you could be brother
hilarious.

Mark (32:39):
Brother hilarious?

Sarah (32:40):
Yes. Because there is a saint hilarious.

Mark (32:43):
Saint hilarious.

Sarah (32:44):
It's h I l a r I u s. Hilarious.

Mark (32:49):
Okay. So you're a pope, and you're in you're in Italy,
and I don't know what it is.

Sarah (32:55):
Get to choose your pope name, and you don't pick Pope
Hilarious? What's wrong withyou?

Mark (33:00):
You say it's 1860 and you're like, oh no, okay. We
gotta beatify this guy. What'shis name again? Are you

Sarah (33:06):
sure this is wrong? Are you sure his name is Hilarious?

Mark (33:10):
Okay. Saint Hilarious. All the cardinals. He said it. I
can't believe he

Sarah (33:18):
did it. Better than Saint Polycarp. Polycarp? Mhmm. Patron
saint of dysentery and earaches.
You could be brother Polycarp.What about Polytarp? Carp. Carp.

Mark (33:30):
Fish. Polyfish. Mini fish. Yeah. Are they Polycarp?
Sister Sarah Polycarp?

Sarah (33:37):
No. I have two names to choose from if I if I'm limited
to female saints.

Mark (33:41):
Okay.

Sarah (33:42):
I could be Klotzinda.

Mark (33:44):
Klotzinda.

Sarah (33:46):
Klotzinda.

Mark (33:49):
Klotzinda. Klotzinda. Like

Sarah (33:51):
a blood clot? Oh. Klotzinda.

Mark (33:53):
The name of the episode, like a blood clot?

Sarah (33:55):
Yes. Or Quiteria. Quiteria. Sister Quiteria. I
like that one.
That's a lot to spell. It's Quitarea. Yeah. Still. Like, if you
leave the cafeteria, you'regoing to the Quiteria.

Mark (34:25):
So bad at this.

Sarah (34:26):
I beat it every day this week. Yeah. So brother Mungo,
let us move on.

Mark (34:32):
So Todd says something that we both again mentioned
already, but it's funny. SoChalmers interviews him about
the was man being there.

Sarah (34:46):
Mhmm.

Mark (34:47):
And she says, In passe vimas, which is we live in
peace. Mhmm. Which is a commonthing that nuns say and priests
say. But what is not normallysaid is what Todd says, which is
that's what the Ewoks say.

Sarah (35:06):
Because you know Latin, Ewoks, so similar.

Mark (35:09):
Now, I had to do this. At no point in time did the Ewoks
say this or anything like this.Now, it's well known that the
actors doing the voices for theEwoks are saying actual things
in a different language.

Sarah (35:23):
Oh, they are? Yes. I didn't know that. Yes. It's not
well known.
I didn't know it.

Mark (35:27):
But they never say

Sarah (35:28):
What language do they speak?

Mark (35:30):
I forget. I didn't I knew

Sarah (35:32):
You knew I was gonna ask.

Mark (35:34):
No. No.

Sarah (35:35):
But it's like Klingon. Yeah. Like, they have there is a
system to what they're saying.

Mark (35:40):
Yes. And none of it is we live in peace.

Sarah (35:43):
Dub dub. Yep. Yep. Yep. Have you ever liked a band as
much as Angelica liked Brides ofKleist?
I know the answer is no becauseyou don't have their lyrics
tattooed all over your body.

Mark (35:56):
No. No. It's it's super interesting. The notion of
tattoos in this episode becauseso so Angelica is covered with
brides of Kleist. Now, you knowwhat Kleist No.
Refers to? Uh-uh. It's a it's aRussian order, mostly nuns, that
is a splinter religious groupfrom Christianity.

Sarah (36:19):
Oh, didn't know that.

Mark (36:19):
They're called the Cleistians.

Sarah (36:21):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't Rasputin part of that?

Mark (36:25):
I think so. Yeah. It it definitely has whiffs of
Rasputin to it. It has that sort

Sarah (36:31):
of They're not the world's best lyricists, though.
No. One of their albums iscalled bleep yourself to bleep
vill.

Mark (36:39):
Well, I think we're I think that's kind of like we're
not they say that, but that'snot what the album's actually
called.

Sarah (36:47):
Okay. But you wouldn't get the bleeped version
tattooed. No. That's what hertattoo actually says? You saw it
and actually bleep yourself tobleep yourself.

Mark (36:57):
B l e e p. Ink. Put it

Sarah (37:01):
on Ink. Ink. Are

Mark (37:04):
By the way, I don't know if you are aware of this, dear
listener, but there is anongoing joke on Jeopardy that we
have just been made aware of,which is for twenty years Mhmm.
They constantly refer to theterms these nuts.

Sarah (37:20):
Yes. Like whole categories, and they don't seem
to get

Mark (37:25):
their own joke. And, like, there are many other ways to say
the cat the clue, but it alwayscontains these nuts.

Sarah (37:36):
Yes.

Mark (37:37):
So much though that the official Jeopardy channel has a
video about all the referencesto these nuts. Yes. It is mind
boggling to see Can

Sarah (37:50):
can and Alex not

Mark (37:51):
crack and Alex not crack up about talking about these
nuts.

Sarah (37:58):
The brides of Kleist are not Shakespeare? Nope. Their
lyrics are a bit rough.

Mark (38:05):
Yep.

Sarah (38:07):
We get a sampling of them when Gina is singing along to
them?

Mark (38:11):
While she's gleaning. Yes.

Sarah (38:12):
Shall I give you a reading?

Mark (38:14):
Yes.

Sarah (38:15):
Hit me in my sadness sack. Moon me until my eyes are
black. What the hell is asadness sack? Is that what
happens to Dean? He gets hit inhis sadness sack?

Mark (38:27):
Are these nuts in your sadness sack?

Sarah (38:33):
I just don't I don't care how much of a cult band they
were. Yeah. Like and and thefont really bothers me. The font
of the tattoos really bothersme.

Mark (38:46):
It's all that Gothic font.

Sarah (38:48):
It's like a Gothic font. And these lyrics do not bleep
bleep yourself to Bleepfeld doesnot deserve to be in a Gothic So
there's that version of tattoos.Then there's Gina's tattoo that
we don't get to see, theSiberian ice maiden's tattoo,
which is there's lots of imagesthat have online, and we'll post
one. But it's like an elk or areindeer kind of curve back on

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itself. And it looks to havelike flowers in its antlers.
It's a really beautiful image.

Mark (39:14):
It is a beautiful image that is thousands of years old.

Sarah (39:18):
But Mike should not be surprised.

Mark (39:20):
Mike should not be surprised because Gina took her
clothes off in his office.

Sarah (39:26):
She wasn't naked. No. But whatever she had on underneath
her trench coat when she showedherself to be marked like meat
would not have covered it.

Mark (39:33):
No. And Mike would have seen it.

Sarah (39:35):
He should be like, not again. No. Thank you. So there's
that that tattoo. And then thereare the tattoos that Angelica
and Grace Marie have on theirwrists.
The heart Yes. That symbolizestheir best friends. Yes. And
that they're a team looking outfor each other.

Mark (39:52):
And this is why Jonas can't tell his wife Jonah.
Jonah. Can't tell his wife whohis wife is because she has a
habit on, kills heraccidentally.

Sarah (40:04):
Yeah. He strangles Angelica instead of killing his
wife. Yeah. Let's wait for that.Let's get to that later.
Yes. Because there's other funstuff besides, the domestic
violence.

Mark (40:17):
Did you notice that on the murder board, they use the worst
pictures of the nuns ever?

Sarah (40:23):
Well, I don't think they're a photographic bunch.
I'm surprised there's even onephoto of all of them together.
Yeah. Considering the mothersuperior knows why all of the
nuns are there. Yes.
That they're all escaping somekind of abusive life, they're
not going to have a website withphotos of them all over it,
right? They're going to keepthemselves secret.

Mark (40:44):
Yes.

Sarah (40:44):
So let's talk about Yulelia's dating profile.

Mark (40:48):
Yes. And the relation to bad seventies AM radio songs.

Sarah (40:55):
Before we go there, can we talk about Jonah's hair?
Okay. So Jonah is The manager ofthe bowling club and Grace
Murray's abusive ex husband,whatever.

Mark (41:04):
Yes. Because he's been looking for her.

Sarah (41:06):
His hair is not a comb over. Nope. It's a combalanche.
It's a comb forward. It is sobad.
Once you see it, you can't unseeit.

Mark (41:21):
And I'm I'm just telling you, dudes, dudes, dudes, if you
if you're losing your hair, goto the bald subreddit, see
brothers becoming men By shavingtheir what's shaving their head.

Sarah (41:34):
Just doing it.

Mark (41:35):
Just doing it.

Sarah (41:35):
Not trying

Mark (41:36):
to Yep. Now I say this as a fully haired man.

Sarah (41:40):
You're fully haired. You do. You have a full head of
hair. But if you didn't, youjust embrace it. Jonah is a bad
person.
We can't expect him to alsoembrace the truth of his hairdo,
which is wow, one of the worstcomb job do things I've ever
seen.

Mark (42:00):
Because, so you've to walk the fine line, You've got to
introduce a character and notmake that character look
suspicious, but you want to givethat character something that
they're sort of memorable butnot memorable as the killer.

Sarah (42:14):
Mhmm.

Mark (42:14):
Right? If he suddenly stormed onto the scene and said,
where's my ex wife? That that'sa bad character.

Sarah (42:21):
Or if he was just randomly shoving old ladies to
the ground at the bowling club.

Mark (42:25):
So he's helpful. He insinuates himself in the
investigation. He goes toFrodo's coffee van. But wow,
that comb over is a sign ofthings to come, man.

Sarah (42:35):
So I need to understand better the order of events.
Okay. So, Eulalia is jealous ofGrace Marie Yes. Because Grace
Marie has a beautiful voice.Right?

Mark (42:48):
So Though she doesn't sing badly.

Sarah (42:50):
So to play but she sings in a different style.

Mark (42:53):
Yes.

Sarah (42:53):
To play a trick on Grace Marie, she takes her picture and
puts it on a dating site.

Mark (42:59):
Yes.

Sarah (43:00):
And then I guess has fun talking to men who are attracted
to Grace Marie, so much so sheinvites one of them to one of
their concerts.

Mark (43:12):
Like, what does she think that catfishing is gonna do
here? Like, she's catfishinghim.

Sarah (43:17):
I think I think she thinks that Pina Colada, which
is Jonah's username, is going toshow up, and she's going to be
able to see him. But he's notgoing to find the woman he's
looking for. Right? Because he'snot expecting to see. No.
He he is. Because the photo sheposted of Grace Marie is of her
inner habit. He knows right awayWell, no. But let's pretend for

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a second he's not her ex husbandor her husband.

Mark (43:42):
Okay.

Sarah (43:43):
He's just a punter. Right? He's just pina colada.

Mark (43:45):
He's just pina colada.

Sarah (43:46):
He's there to hook up with a nun? I I guess. And
Eulalia thinks this is funny?What?

Mark (43:54):
I'm a guess.

Sarah (43:55):
I don't understand.

Mark (43:56):
But he obviously recognizes his ex wife.

Sarah (43:59):
Well, yeah.

Mark (43:59):
It wouldn't be like he killed another woman and

Sarah (44:02):
yeah. So Jonah's on the dating site from wherever he was
living at the time Yes. Seesher, and in the time he sees her
on the dating site, realizesshe's in Brokenwood, moves to
Brokenwood, and gets a job atthe bowling club.

Mark (44:18):
Learning where Ormeli's farm is. More on that later.

Sarah (44:22):
Yeah. In order to be there Yeah. The ending. The
ending I'm just confused by whathappened first. The ending Like,
did he move there after he sawher on the dating app?

Mark (44:36):
I think so. And got the job at the the lawn mowing
place.

Sarah (44:40):
The lawn mowing place. Okay. I guess. Eulalia wasn't
thinking. She knows that.
I Hence why she's drinking allthe rum and cokes and puking in
a bucket at the snake anddagger.

Mark (44:50):
I'm not a narc, but he's over there.

Sarah (44:52):
Rudy's Trudy's great. He left his bag. He

Mark (44:57):
like

Sarah (44:58):
I'm talking about Jonah?

Mark (44:59):
Yeah. Like, he obviously knows it's his ex wife and I
think that he would probablyquickly know that he wasn't
talking to his ex wife.

Sarah (45:07):
Mhmm.

Mark (45:08):
So I feel he probably manipulated her into getting a
location.

Sarah (45:13):
Mhmm.

Mark (45:13):
But what I don't understand is you would normally
hire a manager for your lawnbowling club who knew something
about lawn bowling. And did hejust happen into this job?

Sarah (45:25):
We don't know. Maybe he was a groundskeeper before.
Maybe that's what he was doing.

Mark (45:29):
But then it's coinkydink that they came and sang there.

Sarah (45:33):
Mhmm.

Mark (45:34):
Like That's what

Sarah (45:35):
I'm not sure I'm

Mark (45:36):
clear Yeah. It's weird. And There's

Sarah (45:38):
a there's a coincidental convergence

Mark (45:40):
there. If there was no canoodling in the bushes, would
they have ever left the the oldage home?

Sarah (45:47):
They weren't canoodling in the bushes. They were dealing
drugs to Oh. The nun wasdelivering drugs to Dean. Yes.
And then she got him fired tocover for herself.
Yes. That's kind of mean.

Mark (45:58):
Well, these nuns, particularly the drug dealing
ones, are kind of mean to Dean.Not saying he doesn't deserve
it.

Sarah (46:07):
But do they have a business without him?

Mark (46:09):
No. I don't know.

Sarah (46:10):
Except for Ernie. He can't be buying that much.

Mark (46:13):
But then they turn around, and they give all that money
away and help people.

Sarah (46:17):
They build a a school.

Mark (46:18):
I I was wondering if there was gonna be a scene where they
go, yeah. That doesn't makesense.

Sarah (46:25):
We lied about that.

Mark (46:26):
Don't nuns have like a big bucket of cash or something?

Sarah (46:30):
No. I I believe that they are actually doing something
good. The worst thing about Deanis that The worst thing? Yeah.
The worst thing about Dean isthat he drinks creme de menthe
and lemonade.

Mark (46:42):
What is up with that?

Sarah (46:44):
That is the foulest concoction I've ever heard of.

Mark (46:46):
Who would even what human being would drink that? It
sounds disgusting. I didsearches. I did searches for
creme de mint and lemonade. Andthere is no drink that it has
that isn't like a made up goofydrink.

Sarah (47:01):
I don't think I've I mean, the only even mint and
citrus I can think of is amojito. Which is a perfectly
good drink. But is a creme dementhe in lemonade like like a
trash mojito? Like the Kool Aidversion of a mojito? Somebody
try and tell us if it's betterthan we think it is.

(47:24):
Because we're not gonna

Mark (47:25):
Plus, like, my first thought, and I'm not an expert
in these things, but creme

Sarah (47:33):
de mint is milky. No. No. It's green syrup. Oh, it's green
syrup.

Mark (47:38):
Mhmm.

Sarah (47:38):
Okay. You know who drinks it?

Mark (47:40):
Who? Poirot. Yes. That's right.

Sarah (47:42):
Creme de monde. Yeah, he does. But not in lemonade.

Mark (47:45):
So the lemonade wouldn't curdle it? Because I thought it
was milky.

Sarah (47:49):
No. It's not like a brain hemorrhage.

Mark (47:51):
Okay.

Sarah (47:51):
It's not one of those drinks. Okay. You ever had a
brain hemorrhage? No. It's ashot, and it's grenadine

Mark (48:01):
Okay.

Sarah (48:01):
With like Bailey's poured in it.
Oh, no. With lemonade. It looks like a bloody tumor in
a shot glass. Yeah. No. It doesn't taste too bad though.

Mark (48:10):
No. It's got the demon milk.

Sarah (48:12):
Creme de menthe and lemonade is a bad Wow.

Mark (48:16):
Mix. I can't believe that Trudy serves that to him.

Sarah (48:21):
If he's paying, she'll give him whatever he orders.
That's true. She's smart likethat.

Mark (48:25):
I'm not a narc, but he's right over there.

Sarah (48:27):
Yeah. So when Grace Marie goes missing because Jonah has
abducted her, they first go toO'Malley's, the abandoned farm.

Mark (48:39):
Yes. How did they get there?

Sarah (48:41):
Like physically, how did they get there? Or how did they
make that connection?

Mark (48:44):
How did they make how does Jonah know about O'Malley's
farm?

Sarah (48:49):
Well, if you like pina coladas, you're getting caught
in the rain.

Mark (48:52):
You're getting caught in the rain. Okay.

Sarah (48:54):
You're not into yoga

Mark (48:55):
Not into yoga. No.

Sarah (48:56):
And you have half a brain.

Mark (48:57):
Have half a brain. Okay. Okay. I don't see any O'Malley's
reference yet.

Sarah (49:01):
Meet me at O'Malley's. That's where the in the pina
colada song, that's where theysay they're gonna meet. But but
That has nothing to do with anabandoned farm at all.

Mark (49:11):
Like, I understand why the old people know where I'm
Ollie's is. Yeah. I understandwhy Chalmers knows where
O'Malley's is.

Sarah (49:18):
Yep.

Mark (49:18):
He grew up there. Yep. I don't understand why Jonah knows
where O'Malley's is. Nope. Idon't understand where Mike
knows where O'Malley's is.
Nope. Or Sims. Sims didn't growup here.

Sarah (49:30):
Yes, she did.

Mark (49:31):
No. She says in the first couple episodes.

Sarah (49:34):
Didn't she didn't she grow up nearby? Near Nearish.
She's been there a while though.But but certainly Chalmers would
know. But certainly Jonas Jonahwould not.

Mark (49:44):
Jonah would not. Then we have the scene in the The the
ute, which the whole show isreally based around.

Sarah (49:53):
Mhmm.

Mark (49:54):
Which is she says, and quite rightly so

Sarah (49:57):
Grace Marie says the only place she feels safe is in the
car.

Mark (50:00):
As long as he's alive, I'm not going to feel safe. Mhmm.
And that is a position ofbattered and abused women that
must be hell on earth to livein.

Sarah (50:13):
That scene. Yep. The way she copes with him after he
abducts her.

Mark (50:18):
Yep.

Sarah (50:19):
And plays along with him enough to try to get herself to
safety. And the way she reactswhen they confront her at the
when she's pouring gas on himare really well written. And
she's a really good actress.

Mark (50:32):
Yeah. All of that is good. How they get to

Sarah (50:35):
O'Malley's? Problematic. Don't don't understand that. No.
Don't get that.

Mark (50:40):
And did he get the job and put the sticker on his car right
away?

Sarah (50:44):
That's not his car. That's Ernie's car.

Mark (50:46):
Oh, I thought it was his car.

Sarah (50:48):
That's what they thought too.

Mark (50:50):
Okay. But it's Ernie's car. Mhmm. Ernie, does Yvette
have a car?

Sarah (50:54):
I'm sure they rode there together. I don't know how
they're gonna get home. The carat the barn Yes. Has a has a
broken bowling club sticker onit, and you think, oh, that's
Jonah's car. No.
No. It's Ernie's. It's Ernie.What happens after the credits?
What were the nuns take offtheir habits and let their hair

(51:15):
down.

Mark (51:16):
We're Hey. Led to believe the nuns take off their habits,
show their true faces, which isa thing that they've been
reluctant to do Mhmm. And sing asong by a band called LAB called
Controller.

Sarah (51:30):
Okay. But let's talk about their pod.

Mark (51:33):
Yes.

Sarah (51:34):
How are they making any money anymore? Because the
police cannot allow them tocontinue that business.

Mark (51:38):
Oh, they cannot continue that business. No. Like, it is
absolutely understandable thatMike looks at the nun and says,
we're not going to press anycharges against you. He's going
away for a long time. Mhmm.
Even though we've proven timeand time again that if you
commit murder in Brokenwood, youdon't go up the river for a long

(52:01):
time.

Sarah (52:01):
No, you just
A go to local prison and come couple of seasons later

Mark (52:05):
Yeah. Doing the same things. Yeah. Okay.

Sarah (52:07):
So he might have said, look, we're not going to charge
the nuns at the convent, but youhave to stop, and you're going
to have to prove to us that thisbusiness is done. So Dean is out
of a job. He's been fired fromthe orderly job he had, and now
his side hustle is gone. Yes. Sothe nuns have to find another
way to make money and it's notfrom their teachers.

Mark (52:28):
I think it's from singing. That's what's implied.

Sarah (52:30):
Oh, they get paid to sing now? Well, what does they show
their hair?

Mark (52:34):
Okay.

Sarah (52:36):
So they get to charge?

Mark (52:37):
If Trudy paid the old guy to read Shakespeare No,

Sarah (52:41):
she didn't. That was a work exchange thing for his
parole.

Mark (52:44):
Oh, I know.

Sarah (52:45):
Maybe they do hair care products now. Maybe. That's why
they're all showing their hair.Look at our lustrous hair. But
you know what?
They're still wearing white.They're still gonna get dirty.
They're not wrestling anymore,so that's good.

Mark (52:57):
No. Yeah. That's problematic.

Sarah (52:59):
Yeah. I don't know how the convent stays afloat. Maybe
they'll get into the ediblesequin business. Because Beth is
back too. We didn't mentionthat.

Mark (53:07):
We didn't mention Beth being back because, boy, does it
feel glued on.

Sarah (53:12):
Mike's still married.

Mark (53:14):
So Mike's Mike and Beth show up in two scenes, one at
Frodo's coffee cart and one atthe toad and lion.

Sarah (53:20):
Mhmm. Snake and tiger.

Mark (53:22):
Snake and tiger. And Mike says, I don't know how long this
is gonna take, and she laughs.And, like, I was like, she
should be more angry than that.

Sarah (53:34):
She should say, then why aren't we going there right now?
Let's go find her.

Mark (53:38):
Didn't you go while I was in Australia?

Sarah (53:40):
Yeah. That's what that that would have been my
expectation.

Mark (53:44):
I'm a little I'm a little like, I forget how this all
plays out. And Mike might beafraid to get married again.
Okay? Even if he isn't afraid toget married again, he needs to
go close that legal relationshipMhmm. With her.
Mhmm. Right now, if Mike gotkilled in action, she would be

(54:05):
entitled to half of what he

Sarah (54:07):
Oh.

Mark (54:08):
Yeah. All of Yeah. His property She'd

Sarah (54:10):
get the vineyard.

Mark (54:11):
Yeah. So it is a relationship he needs to end.
Mhmm. Regardless of what's goingon with

Sarah (54:16):
Beth. And he doesn't strike me as somebody who would
lead Beth along. If he doesn'tactually intend to marry her, I
don't

Mark (54:22):
know No.

Sarah (54:22):
I don't think he would lie.

Mark (54:24):
I don't I don't like that Mike hasn't done anything. He
should have done something.Yeah. Mike's a doer.

Sarah (54:30):
Yeah. He doesn't seem like somebody who avoids things
like that.

Mark (54:32):
So I've noticed there was one point in which Mike and
Chalmers are walking away fromthe com from the camera and they
are both bull legged as bullriders. Oh my gosh. It's like,
oh, boy.

Sarah (54:47):
What does that have to do with him being somebody who
completes things?

Mark (54:50):
I don't know.

Sarah (54:51):
Just Like, closes the loop, but he can't close his
legs.

Mark (54:53):
He can't close his legs. I just noticed it. I just thought
of it. So but that His legs area loop. Yes.
That needs to to be done. Ithink we've had enough of this
Beth storyline now and it needsto resolve. I would have been
quite happy if Beth had becomehis wife and she was a regular

(55:16):
on the show. I would have beencompletely cool.

Sarah (55:19):
Yeah. Yeah.

Mark (55:20):
But she's not, so something happens, and I forget
what it is.

Sarah (55:25):
Way to spoil it.

Mark (55:27):
This show is almost twenty four months old.

Sarah (55:29):
If you haven't seen it yet.

Mark (55:31):
Sorry. Almost thirty six months old.

Sarah (55:34):
If you're still counting in months, it's not old enough.
I do think it's not fitting withMike's character.

Mark (55:43):
Yes.

Sarah (55:43):
I think it is fitting with Mike's character that he
hasn't bothered to do anythinguntil now, because he doesn't
have anybody else to leave it toif something were to happen to
him. And I think he's fine withhis ex wife inheriting his
stuff. It may as well be her. Hehate her.

Mark (55:56):
And Mike has character flaws. We're not saying Mike is
perfect. Right.

Sarah (56:00):
But I do think he's the kind of person who now would
take care of it, would put hisfoot down and say, I'm going to
go do something about this. Myimpression was that's why Beth
left in the first place, to givehim time to clear up that mess.
And he seemingly did nothingwhile

Mark (56:17):
she Nothing was while

Sarah (56:18):
she was gone. She was gone for a while.

Mark (56:20):
And I would have been pissed.

Sarah (56:22):
When you got back and he hadn't done anything? I would
have Yeah. Would have been too.I would have like, well, you you
clearly do not want to be withme.

Mark (56:28):
Yes.

Sarah (56:28):
You didn't don't tell me how many cases you had while I
was gone. I don't care.
Yep. Absolutely. This should have been a priority.
So On that fun note.

Mark (56:37):
On that fun note.

Sarah (56:38):
So I guess Dean needs to find another job.

Mark (56:42):
Why does Chalmers not have a girlfriend?

Sarah (56:45):
Because The nuns will stop pretending to be a convent
or they'll still stay a conventand just they're not claiming
anything that they're not doing,I guess.

Mark (56:53):
It's weird.

Sarah (56:55):
Maybe they'll change their names to Little Sisters of
Saint Hotsinda.
Maybe. Or Polycarp. Polycarp.

Mark (57:03):
Mongo.

Sarah (57:04):
Mongo. We are the sisters of Saint Mongo. The little
sisters of Saint

Mark (57:09):
Mongo. Mongo.

Sarah (57:09):
That would have been the order that Gina would have been
in. Yes. If nuns hadn't beenillegal in Russia. Mongo. She
would have joined the order ofSaint Mongo.
Mongo needs THC. Mungo likesgummies. Choco muffins. Anyhow,
what's our next episode?

Mark (57:26):
Our next episode is season nine episode four, Going to the
Dogs. I cannot remember a singlething about this episode.

Sarah (57:36):
Oh, it'll be like it's all new even though we've seen
it

Mark (57:38):
at least Be like it's all new. Speaking of, it was
announced, the Acorn schedulefor November, and it does not
include new midsummers. So I ampredicting that the new
midsummers will begin inDecember. December.

Sarah (57:52):
So until next week, hit me in my sadness sack. Mongo.
Bye, maniacs.

Mark (57:59):
Bye, maniacs.

Sarah (58:00):
Thanks for joining us on the mystery maniacs podcast.

Mark (58:03):
If you enjoyed our crazy podcast today, don't miss out on
future episodes. Follow us

Sarah (58:08):
on social media for updates, beyond the scenes
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Mark (58:13):
Subscribe, like, and share to spread the word. Bye,
maniacs. And this is season nineepisode three of of

Sarah (58:22):
I said that already.

Mark (58:23):
Yeah. You did. Mhmm.

Sarah (58:25):
Sorry. Since you do the whole intro to the show, I
thought I would

Mark (58:28):
so do the

Sarah (58:30):
you can cut that.

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