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On this episode of Mystical and Infamous, Blaire Stanislao and Alan Steinfeld challenge the conventional by touching on how practices like remote viewing tap into the right brain's non-local consciousness, pushing the boundaries of self-realization and identity push us into creating that which has never been before.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion
Center.
Welcome to our podcast,mystical and Infamous, where we
have playful and easyconversations about anything
mystical, getting to the heartof all things, strange and weird
.
Join us in a bit of magicaltomfoolery, spreading the
alchemy of love and light.
And now we invite you to enjoythe show and light.
(00:28):
And now we invite you to enjoythe show when we're channeling
or we're getting informationthat these, this, this energy
that's coming in, doesn't haveto have a name.
It's, I feel.
For me, I would say the quickestway to describe it is I can
remember being a child.
I grew up in the South, so I wasSoutheast, so I was essentially
around a bunch of Christiansand there were a few others that
I were friends with.
And you know, I got a oneperson's house and they'd have a
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picture of Jesus or whatever.
And then you go to somebodyelse's house.
I got a picture of Jesus, butthey don't look the same, right,
and of course I thought as achild, of course that makes
sense oh, that was that humanconstruct of there's, this idea
of who Jesus is, and this is howit comes out and this is how it
becomes a thing.
So I knew very quickly thatthis idea, even of Jesus, was
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not a human being.
It's an entirely differentthing.
And if it's a different thing,then it doesn't have to have all
those requirements like namesand where they are in this idea
of hierarchy, which is what, youknow, humans come up with.
And my friend told me to talkto you because she said you had
lots of enlightening things tosay about that well, just that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
If we start to name things, we start to limit the
perception, because you know itgoes back to quantum physics.
You collapse, the wave functionand things become concretized
as what it is.
And if you're more fluid, moreopen, more abstract, you gain
(01:58):
greater meaning of thingsbecause you're not confined to a
box.
So even if you're looking at atree, if you call that a tree,
then your mind goes I know whata tree looks like and you miss
the amazing being that'sstanding in front of you.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So it's good to name, because we have to organize the
world according to labels.
But don't get attached to thelabel.
They're not.
The map is not the territory.
Have you heard that term?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Oh no, I haven't thought about that, but it makes
complete sense.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Right.
So the words are the map, butit's not the reality.
We, if you look at the books byJoseph Chilton Pierce, he says
we live in a semantic reality.
It means we live in a world ofeverything's been named and
we're really disconnected fromthe actuality of the environment
(02:52):
.
So go out into the woods and beby yourself and don't name
anything and be absorbed by thenature there and you realize
you're actually a part of thatnature.
You're not separate.
You know human beings thinkthey're separate.
There have to conquer nature.
And you know the the, theindigenous cultures, knew that
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they were part of nature.
They lived in harmony withnature.
You know they were in touchwith, like, if there was an
earthquake or a hurricane orthere was something coming, they
didn't panic because the earthtalked to them.
And so the problem is leftbrain, right brain.
Our right brain, our intuitivebrain, is shut down because
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we've been so language-based,We've been so identified with
names and when you namesomething you're just in the
left brain and make theseassumptions about the nature of
reality because someone told youthat's what it is.
But if you're in your rightbrain you start to feel more,
you start to tap into things andthat's what I teach is the
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difference between in remoteviewing.
Remote viewing is the ability todisconnect from the left brain
and to tap into the right brain,which is a non-local mind.
That's how people, that's howStanford Research Institute, the
CIA, proved that remote viewingworked for 50 years ago.
50 years ago in the earlyseventies, or maybe 60 years ago
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.
But you know it's it's not anew thing, it's age old, this
intuitive high mind.
So it's just stop identifyingwith your own name, with your
own history, with your ownthoughts.
You know, yes, people are intoself-realization, but what is
the self?
Well, the self is something youcan't define.
So how are you going to realizesomething you can't define?
(04:43):
So you're better off juststaying abstract and not.
I mean, yeah, it's great tofind yourself and realize
yourself, but what's that thatyou're realizing?
It's the infinite.
That's what you're realizingwhen you really right.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah Well, even in coming to that part of where I
am going with things I amwrecking, it's kind of hard
because it is you're takingthese big ideas, their feelings,
they're like concepts, but it'sit's, it is really restricting
(05:22):
it, it's limiting it, it's, itis really restricting it, it's
limiting it, it's shrinking itdown almost in a way, because
we're, as I mentioned to youearlier, we're we're taking the
channeled messages.
There's a little bit of like a Idon't know if there's a delay
on my sound, I feel like I'm Ican hear myself later.
Okay, anyways come the messagesthat came through and
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channeling it is very much alimiting, smaller, it's like
shrinking it down and trying tocreate it or write it in a way
that can be received by theperson reading it who is still
in, like you're talking about,still in the left brain, because
we're still reading sentencesand so forth.
Like you're talking about stillin the left brain because we're
still reading sentences and soforth.
So I guess that brings up thenext question of language and
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the construct of these things.
Like, we use these wordsbecause they help us to
understand, but like theconstruct of I don't remember
what you were just talking about, but you just used the word
higher, and that's somethingthat I've noticed.
For me is something that, inlanguage, it continues to
facilitate this illusion thatthere's better than, or higher
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or lower, or there's hierarchything going on.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
There is no better than there's.
No, I mean, yes, maybe there'sa.
You know, if you talk aboutfrequencies, right, there are
higher frequencies and lowerfrequencies.
Uh, you talk about complexitytheory.
There's more complex systemsthat hold more information, and
I think our soul has thecapacity to hold information.
(07:09):
The deeper you get, maybe, intoself-realization, the more the
capacity of the soul expands.
So we expand to have a greaterunderstanding about the nature
of reality.
So it's not better or worsethan anything.
Everyone's on their own path.
Eventually everyone will getthere, wherever there is or not,
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but it's, it's, it's, I think,the nature of consciousness is
to understand itself, which islike, it's like walking towards
the horizon, because there'salways the infinite.
You know that's out in front ofyou.
So I think people do makeprogress in understanding
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themselves.
You know, socrates said knowthyself, right, and so I think,
in knowing yourself better,we're happier.
You know, if you don't knowwhat's making you unhappy,
you're never going to get to the, to the root of that.
But if you start theself-realization, looking at
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yourself and saying, okay, I canprove my life here, here and
here, this doesn't make me happy.
I'm letting go of those friendsthat bring me down, that, you
know, drain my energy orwhatever.
Then yeah, I think we're hereto be happy, we're here to have
experiences.
We're here, maybe, not to solvethe mystery but to realize
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we're part of the mystery.
That's not my original thing,that's Joseph Campbell.
But yeah, joseph Campbell saidthat, who really understood a
lot.
He understood that myths weretrue.
Everyone thinks myths are madeup stories, but myths
symbolically tell the story ofpeople's lives.
You know stories are whatpeople are about, but don't get
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attached to the story.
So it's like the Buddhist don'tget attached to your
identification, don't yourpolitical party, your baseball
team, your whatever you know.
Because if you're attached tothat identity, someone comes
along and insults your baseballteam or your political.
Then you take it personally.
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And people do that becausethey're glued to their
television set.
They're just set be this,you're this, and and.
And.
Because they don't I'm notjudging anyone, but they don't
have a bigger life than theirtelevision set.
So they identify with thesefalse narratives, these false
sense of self and that's whothey think they are.
(09:41):
But if you call I mean if youcall yourself anything you've I
mean Krishnamurti said this ifyou call yourself a Christian, a
Jew, a Buddha, you've created aviolent act because you've
separated yourself from thequantum field, from he didn't
say quantum, but from thetotality.
So yeah, we can use language tokind of move through time and
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space, but we can't stayattached to it.
I don't know if that answersyour question.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, what it brings to mind is something that just
happened recently, within thelast week or so.
My son is 19 now, he justturned 19, and he's still at
home and he's going to school,and we are butting heads, like
often parents and 19 year oldsdo, and so through this process
he came to this realization thathe has he has certain feelings
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that are essentially causing himproblems.
Ok, which is really great thata 19 year old even figured this
out and so he tells me this andI talked to him a little bit
about it with the work that I do, like you could do this and
that kind of stuff.
And then the next morning Iwoke up and I was like you know
what you could do, all that youcould figure out what the story
is behind it.
Why do you have all that goingon?
Blah, blah, blah.
But if you really don't, if youreally just want to deal with
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it and you want to heal it, skipall that and just recognize you
just have it.
It's there.
So now go to go to the stepsthat you need to do to actually
heal it or change it, and thenyou get to skip all that story
stuff.
I think oftentimes get on theget stuck on the stories like
you're talking about with thebaseball.
You know you're attached towhatever it is that you're
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calling your identity and itreally slows things down.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, I mean, if you get attached to your story, I
mean some people, there's awhole movement in psychology of
just doing away with the story.
The Freudian analysis, becauseall it does is keep you trapped
in the story oh my goodness,does it yes.
My mother did this, this persondid this and you're victimizing
yourself.
Okay so.
(11:40):
But I think there is a bit ofembracing the feelings.
You know someone made you angry, so feel the anger.
You don't have to lash out atsomeone because they made you
angry or they're angry.
So I think there's theacknowledgement of the feeling
(12:02):
and you don't need the story.
I mean, sometimes the storyhelps, but not overindulgent.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah Well, so I also just went through something
called cutting the ties thatbind, which I think was
originally created by PhyllisCrystal I think that's her name,
Okay and I did it with MichaelSheridan.
So there's some dreaminterpretation that goes in with
it, and that's essentially whatthe goal was.
Is you kind of you get revealedthrough your dreams, these
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things that you need to look at,which are talking about the
feelings, and through all of mywork?
That really is the thing.
There is no quote, objectivereality we can't get out of our
own perspective, right?
So it's not really about what'sgoing on.
There's no truth to it.
It's just how you feel about itthat you have to deal with.
So then here's my next question.
So how does that translate foryou into?
(12:51):
I guess my question is reallykind of how did you come to this
?
Because I came to all thisstuff through healing, so I
eventually didn't realize I wasdoing this, but I was
recognizing that certain thingswere not working for me, whether
it's in the outside world orhow I felt, or whatever.
There was something that wasn'tworking for me.
So I went looking and this isthe path that I wound up on.
So I guess part of my questionis because that common thread of
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experiencing the emotion orfeeling the emotion,
acknowledging it not get hung upon it, but experiencing it
allows you that energy to kindof flow more fluently, which is
more natural state.
So how does that connect withthe stuff that you're doing?
How does that being in thatflow state of acknowledging the
feelings and experiencing themand then also allowing them to
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go, how does that?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, I mean, the stuff that I'm doing is actually
going beyond all that.
I'm looking at new realities,but it was all based on feeling.
Of course, you know, it's allbased on experience and I think
we're here to have greatexperiences, fantastic, joyful,
inquisitive adventures in the 3D.
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That's why we incarnated here,because it's a really
interesting place and to avoidthe traps of emotionality but
not lose the feeling.
That's how I make thedistinction.
People get stuck depressedpeople or angry people, or
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indulgent people, or you knowindulgent people there.
They're attached to thatidentity as well.
But it's not just an identity,it's actually a chemical in
their body.
You know depressed people or ortake an angry person right, and
we all know somebody who's justwaiting to be angry.
You know and I try to stay awayfrom that because I think my
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mother was like that but it's achemical, that's a chemical in
their body.
So when the chemical starts towear off, they don't even
consciously but unconsciouslyfind a reason to get angry
because the body's saying weneed those chemicals.
So the way beyond that is tosay I'm getting that feeling
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like I'm supposed to be angryand I'm not going there.
It's like you do cold turkeyfrom the chemical.
So it's like, OK, I'm feelingthis, OK, someone's cutting me
off, Do I indulge?
Because if you indulge it youkeep the chemicals going.
But if you just observe it, andI think that's really you
observe the feelings, you don'tdeny it, but you don't indulge
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it.
So, yeah, I'm feeling anxious,I'm feeling sad, but I'm just
going to be.
The observer of reality isreally the soul, or the God,
essence, higher, being, nothigher or low, but the being,
the essential being, that ishaving the experience.
So you want to feel it, butit's, it'll pass through you,
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like these thoughts.
If you hold on to a thought,that's great, you could write it
down or whatever.
But if you hold on to that thatfeeling, it becomes an
emotionality.
Feelings are what we have everymoment, is my belief, and
that's recorded in the soul asthe Akashic records.
People do Akashic recordreading or whatever.
They're just tuning into thesoul, which is every moment
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recording the nature of reality,going back to whatever lifetime
it all began or whateverparallel dimensions you're
living in.
But it's the soul, the feelingcapacity of the human being, and
you know, people, I make adistinction between the soul and
the spirit.
I don't know if this allanswers your question.
(16:37):
But what distinction?
What do you make as adistinction?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Between the soul and spirit.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Um, no, I, I don't think that I spent a lot of time
on that, because I don't,frankly that, to be truthful, I
don't want to get into theargument with somebody because a
lot of times you use thosewords depending on who you're
talking to.
People are identifying withcertain constructs that they
have, and if I'm talking aboutthat energy, I don't want to get
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into an argument about that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I want to talk, I want to communicate the message
yeah, yeah, but I'm sayingthere's no right answer to this.
I mean there's no right orwrong.
I'll just tell you mydistinction.
And it's not like the absolute,because we're talking in terms
that there are no absolutesright, but from what I heard
from one of my teachers, andthat made sense to me, that's
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the only reason I'm sharing isthat the spirit, whatever that
means, is the spark of creationthat has, that's inside all of
us, that is the, the vital forceof beingness.
And so we descended from thegreat spark, you know, the great
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source itself.
As it contemplated itself, itcreated all these infinite
sparks.
And then we went on to createlevels and levels of density and
creation.
But in those adventures ofcreating we needed a way to hold
the wisdom of experience.
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And the wisdom of experiencethen was held by the soul, which
was created by the spirit tohold, because otherwise we just
have adventures and adventuresand adventures, which is great.
But the soul gathers the wisdomfrom each of those adventures.
Like your son, he had arealization, an awakening, and
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that was his soul kind ofregistering.
Oh, that's the wisdom of theseexperiences.
And so I only make it seem,because the soul houses as we
evolve, that the evolution ofthat wisdom, and of course,
we've descended from the greatsource and we're evolving back
to that through understandingthe play of reality as it
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interfaces with human experience, which is the fun of it all.
So I don't know, did thatanswer anything?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, yeah, no, I actually.
So what you said kind of waswas where my mind went
originally, which is spirit.
I would probably automaticallykind of connect to the more,
more of the oneness like this,this thing that, like you're
talking about, is the spark, butthen the soul, I would say,
because we usually associatethis as a small part of one
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person, right, I mean that's theetymology, right.
But yeah, it is more like acontainer, and so it's a place
within which those stories canoccur.
And I mean any person whowrites stories or, you know, I
mean movies or creates things,knows that to have a good story
you have to have conflict, youhave to have characters, you
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have to have something to createthe story, because otherwise
you would just be, there wouldbe a story.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It wouldn't be intriguing, wouldn't be
interesting well, maybe, but Idon't know if that's necessarily
true, because that's the humandrama.
But I think we're getting offthat, that sense of conflict
which you know draws people in,maybe I would say possibly, and
I don't know a sense ofadventure where you keep
expanding into the nature ofreality, existence itself.
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As the adventure unfolds, anever-ending journey unfolds
into the greater possibility,greater and greater possibility.
So, yeah, I think, conflict andresolution, and more so, and
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it's the emotion that never getsresolved, like with depressed
people.
They just feel it.
They may know the story behindit, but because of the chemicals
and the indulgence, thosefeelings become recycled
emotions and you don't getbeyond it because you keep going
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back, like you said, the story.
So I think if we tap into thisnature of experience, which is
what we're here to have, that'swhy we're here.
We're here to experience thetotality of the incarnational 3D
world, all of it.
So if we get stuck in one thing, we're missing a whole bunch of
other things that is availableto gain the wisdom for the
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soul's evolution, or what youcall self-actualization, or
whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, Right, um, self um actualization, or whatever
you want to call it.
Yeah, right, so okay, then itsounds to me like there's also a
similar distinction between, asthere was for spirit and soul,
as there is between feeling andemotion I make that, I'm making
those things up, okay, well, canyou clarify.
What do you where?
Where is your thinking withfeeling and emotion?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
then, yeah, yeah.
So feelings is what we haveevery moment is being recorded.
When you have, when you have alike, let's say, a angry
reaction or a depressory or sad,it's like if you keep going
into that and indulging it in away, you never really get to the
bottom of it because you keeplike that thing and that's
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emotion.
I call that emotionality.
I mean it's great to haveemotion, but if you're angry, if
someone cuts you off or doessomething, it's, you know, anger
is a natural response.
But if you keep going back tothat, I mean anger should last I
don't know, it's no should, butyou know a few minutes and then
it subsides and then, but ifyou keep going back to it,
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you've never completed that.
So it becomes emotionality andyou no longer are feeling it.
You're feeling the past andyou're not letting go and moving
forward or trying to resolve itsomehow.
So that's where I call itemotions, or emotionality and
feeling.
If you just let yourself feeland go to the depth of that
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jealousy, you know, then you'vewhat my teacher says you've
owned that as wisdom becauseyou've gone to the depth of it.
When you yeah, but you have tofeel.
If you just keep reacting to it.
You never allow it to sink in,to be owned on a soul level.
So when you allow yourself tofeel the totality of whatever
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that is good, bad, beautiful,ugly, then it becomes wisdom to
the soul that helps you move on.
So this is all myinterpretation.
I'm not saying this is right atall, I'm just saying this is
what I read, believe experience.
So the idea here of incarnationis to own the human experience,
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is to look at everyone that youpass on the street, everyone,
and say I can feel what theyfeel, you know everyone.
It's like when you can own thehuman experience, which means
you've felt everything, it'sthat it's possible for humans to
feel.
What I think happens is yourcellular structure starts to
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accelerate, starts to vibrate ata higher frequency, because the
reason you've come to this 3Dlevel, it's sort of complete
because you've come here to havea human experience and you've
had it and you know it's a workin progress.
And then we're here to start tohave new experiences that have
yet to be experienced by thehuman dimension and that's a
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sort of ascension, that's a sortof an acceleration and that's a
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sort of ascension, that's asort of an acceleration.
So I think the whole idea ofconflict takes us back to the
old thing, and maybe the trueadventure is the next level of
vibratory rate, which has to becreators to emulate creation.
You know, we're a spark of thedivine.
The divine has whatever that is, has created this beauty and we
, as creators, emulate thecreation by being creative
expressors.
So that's our real function.
This, this is my belief as humanbeings to be the artist, be the
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creator, be whatever that is toyou, whatever that joy is to
you.
Maybe it's teaching, maybe it'ssinging, maybe it's talking,
maybe it's podcasting, maybeit's writing.
Whatever output you have thatsparks your highest creativity
is, I think, the reason you'vecome and what you do is share
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your feeling nature so otherpeople can relate to that.
So we're all here to share ourfeelings, because we all know
what emotion, depression,sadness we all know what that is
, but what are the feelings of?
And sometimes an art piece orcan help you tap into stuff you
haven't allowed yourself to feellike, yeah, I had broken up
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with this woman and he didn'treally know what I was feeling
when I heard this song and it'slike, oh, that it just hit me.
It's like, oh, that's what'shappening to me OK.
So I think we benefit fromother people's creative
expression, and that is anotherway of owning the wisdom of our
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feelings, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So when you were talking it's come up a couple of
times while you were talkingthat I just wanted to bring this
in I had a realization thatcame through a lot of reading,
experiencing whatever you wantto call it, and two people who
were creating things that helpedme the most.
I had this, so my husband diedin 2013.
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And so I was in the midst ofgrief and I was listening to all
this stuff.
I had listened to Deepak Chopraseveral times, but you keep
hearing the same things over andover.
That's why we're having thisconversation, so we can do this.
But he had said several timesyou're not your thoughts.
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And there was this ideapresented that we think our
thoughts are truth when they'revery much not your thoughts.
And there was this ideapresented that you know you're,
we think our thoughts are truthwhen they're very much not your
thoughts.
And then he talked about how tobe the observer and so forth,
and there was a time I was.
I noticed I was feeling prettygood, everything was all right,
and then something happened or athought occurred, and then this
grief emotion came in and itwas just like this tornado and I
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was like, wow, that's reallyunpleasant, and I could just
feel myself going there.
But I did exactly what you'retalking about.
I allowed it to go there, Ihonored it and then, as that
happened fairly quickly, as soonas that happened it just
disappeared and it reminded meof the way that Bruce Lipton
talks about that Petri dish.
Right, your thoughts are thePetri dish of your body, and so
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the thoughts have an effect onwhat comes out in the physical
reality.
So it was like this you knowyou have a thought, and if you
think about a thought, like theimages of the synapses in the
brain, you know it's energy thatgoes from one place and it has
this motion.
And if you're just watching itfrom one place, you notice it
come from nothing into somethingand then it goes back to
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nothing, and so that's the wayit's felt.
For me is that's the way theenergy works.
It comes, you know, if it's athought, it comes in, it comes
into fruition, it experiencesitself and then it is gone, and
that corresponds with all thisstuff that you're talking about.
But I found it really funnythat, even as we discuss this,
you know we're entertaining thisidea of self-realization and so
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forth and we're actuallytalking about integrating these
ideas into our lives, whenactually, in reality, we are
doing that.
We're already there, right Likethere's no, it's actually no
journey to become self-realized.
I mean, of course there's waysto get better or improve, but in
reality we're actually alreadydoing that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I think we are.
I think that's why we've comehere to do that, you know.
And I think one other thing toadd to that is that this level
of reality and the human drama,I mean, yes, it's not, it's.
There's still war, there'sstill people starving, there's
still awful things happening,but we're going around, not in a
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circle, but in a spiral, to thenext level, where we're about
to meet the next challenge tohuman existence, which is, you
know, off planet beings, that upthe level of experience, to a
whole new realm.
And that's what's so excitingabout that work.
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You know, it's like, okay, wecould go back to the same old
drama, but what does the unknown, what have we yet to experience
?
And what does meeting theothers and people always project
fear, but I don't think there'sanything to fear.
I mean, it's different, it'sshocking, it's a whole other
(30:27):
vibration that's hard to cognize, but it's the challenge of our
evolution.
Because do we want to keepdoing the same dramas, the same
ridiculous love stories andmovies and shoot them up, cowboy
?
I mean I think we're over it,you know.
(30:49):
I think it's been done.
It's been done great, butthere's a whole other adventure
that we have no idea about, thatwe're capable of engaging and
that's the most exciting thinghappening now on planet Earth.
Yes, it's time to resolve thewars and the awful things and
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get on with the next level ofour souls interaction, of owning
a higher experience and elev.
Because the government, byholding on to the secrets they
are and I didn't say this, butthis insider from the government
, colonel Carl Mel, says we'rebeing deprived of the pursuit of
happiness.
Happiness is, in a sense,knowing what reality is.
(31:47):
Reality is, if we're beingdenied reality, we're being
denied a level of engagementthat seems to be here, and I
think absolutely, because thegovernment has admitted that and
people have had experience, andI've had experiences, if you
read my book.
So what's going on?
And that's, I think, thisin-between thing, that actually
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self-realization just went toanother level, because those
beings, whatever, whoever theyare, are not different than us.
They may be smarter, they mayhave more technology, but I
think on the soul level they'reequal to us and it's my feeling.
I can't prove that, but sothey're just as curious about us
(32:31):
as we would be about thembecause, you know, humans are
full of drama and emotionalityand maybe they've gone beyond
that and forgot what that's like.
So they are.
You know, oh, that'sinteresting, but you know, just
so, maybe a refresher course on,you know their evolution is
going.
But you know, the idea is tocome into balance with these
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adventures and hold our sense of, of feeling sense, and expand
our intellectual knowledge andmake life easier with what?
Obviously these ships are notfilling up their gas tank to get
here, so we don't have to beenslaved to the fossil fuel
company I don't even think theyare fossil fuel but to these gas
, oil, gas companies, becausethe world's been built in that
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kind of way.
So I think we're reaching apoint of, of a nexus point of
evolution, where we can takecharge of our own lives in a
much bigger way and be more ofthe creators by allowing people
the freedom you know to express.
(33:40):
I mean, who would have thoughtthat a working class city in
England in the 1960s wouldproduce music that would last a
long time?
Yeah, produce musicians fromLiverpool that would, like you
know, tap into the zeitgeist ofthe next, you know, century,
(34:05):
half century, whatever.
But you know so those guysBeatles are, are just like
anyone else, but they allowthemselves the freedom of
expression and look how muchthey've added to the world.
So we all have that capability,when we tap into this creative
flow, to add to creation ascreators.
(34:26):
That's really one of myfavorite messages is to bring
out our ability to create andexpress in whatever form.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, and so I.
Actually I have anundergraduate in fine arts and I
do.
I've been doing graphics for 25years, but that was only
because I wanted to do art, butI wanted to have a career.
So that in the framework, I waslike, okay, this is what to do,
have a career.
So that in the framework I waslike, okay, this is what to do.
So, but, regardless, you learnwhen you get a degree in art,
(34:57):
you learn the creative process,which is really the same thing
for every creative venture, nomatter what.
And so you get that through andthrough.
And the thing that you'retouching on there, I mean I
would completely concur withthat, because what I see is, you
know, even just being aconsumer of the creative arts,
whatever they are, you see theseglimpses of truth, and I mean
(35:24):
truth in the sense that thereare concepts that really can
change the way people structuretheir world.
Okay, now, it's all intermixedwith these other belief systems
of the structures and conflictand all that kind of garbage
that we are familiar with, butit also has a lot of times
they'll have like essences ofthings.
You know, you'll have a songthat that says something that
(35:46):
really emulates the, the feelingof, whatever the experience was
.
So these people who have, youknow, love songs and you know it
doesn't say who it's to, itdoesn't you know?
There's not all these real yeah, yeah.
Well, actually, in the cuttingthe ties that bind the, the one
of the big things that camethrough for me was, like I get
messages through songs and I hadgotten a couple of songs and I
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put them on there and I get tothe end of it and I knew that I
was going to write these wordsthat were going to kind of
encapsulate what I had learned.
And I did that and I didn't getit until the very end.
But the thing that I got aboutthe songs was there were these
love songs and they weren't eventhe same genre, they're like
all over the board, and I wastrying to figure out, well,
(36:30):
what's the real message behindthese things.
I realized, oh, these are, yes,they're love songs, but they're
love songs from myself tomyself, they're not between two
separate humans.
It's from me, it's a messagefrom me to me.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh, that's good.
I'd like to hear those songs,I'd like to know what I mean.
Oh, I'll be glad to share themwith you.
Uh, it's not very many rightnow, it's only about five, but
uh, but I keep.
It's a different way of lookingat things, right.
Well, I think that's fantastic.
That is great.
We need more of those like whatsong you think of when that's
love to you from you um, well,so well, I'm a female, so that's
(37:05):
a.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I'd like to talk to you about that too, because in
so I'm in a group of people, I'minvolved with people and we're
starting to recognize that we'rechanneling whatever words you
want to use to call it and Itake this channeling course and
I finally realized, oh, I'vebeen doing it my whole life, I
didn't know that.
I know what that feeling isRight, and a lot of times
(37:26):
there's these uh, I would sayit's ego based.
There's like it's a belief inthe structure of correctness,
wrongness.
You know, are you doing a goodjob of that kind of thing?
And so a lot of times we'll askquestions.
Like you know, you channel amessage and then, because we're
in this group, we get feedback.
Well, how does that resonatewith you?
Does that sit well with you?
Most of the time we get reallygood feedback, but a lot of
(37:49):
times, what you'll see toosometimes is if somebody's
struggling with those beliefsystems, they really question
the information they're getting,and so really, what they're
doing is questioning themselves.
And somebody channeled a messagefor me, because I was not in
this state where I was able toreceive the message fully and
openly, and so she channeledthis message and she actually
said fully and openly.
(38:11):
And so she channeled thismessage and she actually said
no-transcript.
So those so in the given.
That being said, that'sprobably why it came through for
me, in my particular, you know,existence in this timeframe
really comes through the lovesongs, because I'm sure I like
(38:32):
love songs.
I mean it's not, you know, um,yeah, so, anyways, that was.
That was really interesting tohave all that stuff come through
.
So then my my next questionreally interesting to have all
that stuff come through.
So then my next question, andmaybe this is a topic for next
time, but I think there's anoverall.
You know, as young childrencome in, you start to see a
(38:54):
shift in where their interest isand where it lies, and I do
think we're getting to thatplace where, you know, you're
seeing there's a very, very mucha disinterest in the old
paradigms, the old ways ofthinking, and there's a lot of
you know it really doesn't haveto be that way kind of thing.
So it's like they have that asthe foundation and they're
almost able to skip some of thestuff that we've done in the
(39:14):
past and go forward.
So, and I do feel like we'redefinitely ascending, because
otherwise we wouldn't be herehaving a podcast right Talking
about this.
Then there wouldn't be herehaving a podcast right Talking
about this and there wouldn't bepeople listening.
I'm making this podcast becauseI was guided to do such a thing.
I don't even know who's goingto listen to it, but the impact,
I know, is important.
So where do you think, or maybejust kind of talk a little bit
(39:38):
about how, going into this next,this new you were talking about
with the um, the outsiders orwhat do you want to call them,
the aliens how they have adifferent way of perceiving
things?
and I will concur that myexperience with knowledge of
other whatever you want to callthem, entities, beings, whatever
(39:58):
they are in a differentdimension, is exactly that, like
I've actually, in hypnosis,experienced where I was one of
those things and there weren'tall these emotions.
You didn't get that intensityand I've pulled that several
times over.
They, they want to come here,like you said, they're curious
because they maybe they want arefresher, maybe they all pass
that, they don't have theconflict, they don't have all
this other garbage, but theywant the refresher and the
(40:20):
feeling part of it.
So where do you think we aregoing?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Maybe that's Well if we could make it through this
little critical moment.
I think we're in.
It always seems like we're inthat moment, but it always gets
a little more intense.
But I think if we can integratethis higher technology, raise
our vibration to get out of thelower levels of human drama I
(40:48):
mean lower level in the sensethat there's people that are
really not happy but they keepdoing whatever they're doing,
which is their choice, but theydon't know they have a choice.
But if we can help those peopleand see that there is a
beautiful planet like I'm inSedona now, which is just a
(41:12):
fantastic place to be thatthere's a beautiful planet and
there's beautiful experiencesand that everyone is a creative
being, like when you do yourgraphics or create something,
you're bringing something newinto the world and you're
bringing in a feeling.
Whatever that graphic expresses, you're creating from the
(41:35):
unknown.
It never existed before.
This book never existed before.
Until I put it together, it'slike, and that's satisfying, and
I think that's really why we'reincarnated here.
Yeah, we're here to haverelationships and children and
all those things, but the deeperpart, with free energy, with,
(41:58):
like, having everyone live inabundance, you know.
So there doesn't have to bethings happening where someone's
less than and I mean that'sidealistic and hopeful and I
think possible, but you know itis idealistic.
But if we can come to thatplace where everyone contributes
(42:19):
to creation as creators, inwhatever way, then that's what I
call the flowering of humanity,that's what I call like a
moment where we've achieved asense of collective awakening
and you know, you know, andeveryone becomes the great
(42:41):
musician or, you know, followstheir passion, and this is what
Bashar talks about.
You're here to follow yourpassion every moment of every
day, and whatever that passionis and I think it's being
creative in whatever way, ormaybe taking a walk.
So when humans have anopportunity to do that and go
(43:03):
beyond survival basically iswhat I'm saying go beyond
surviving and start to thrivethrive, not survive then I mean
we have to go, in our minds,beyond survival in order to
thrive, so like but it's acollective cultural thing too
then the possibilities of humansoul expansion comes online in
(43:29):
even greater degrees.
And you know joy and love andhigher forms of relationship
that don't involve those, youknow dramas, if that's possible,
you know, can be resolved, andand then we live in harmony with
(43:50):
nature.
Yeah, and then, um, thecreative process because we will
have this higher technology andfree energy and abundant food
and we don't have to be enslavedto the current money systems,
and I mean then we can reallybecome part of a galactic
federation where that already ishappening in other worlds and
(44:13):
we still are very much caught upin the drama of the
emotionality and think conflictis the only way to go.
I'm not saying anything, but youknow, I think other forms of
being are possible andoccasionally you get a glimpse
of it.
You can just sit back in yourhouse is possible.
(44:35):
It's just like we.
You know, it's like the path ofthe Bodhisattva You're not
happy until everyone is happy orenlightened.
We don't let AI take over ourlives and we can disconnect from
some of that, but let have haveit be done for us.
You know the things that no onewants to do, really, whatever
(45:13):
that would be.
But some people enjoy, you know, gardening or whatever, farming
, and that's fun if that.
But when we have that peace,that sense of flowering, then
the creative process reallycomes online and we start to go
deeper into our own feeling,nature and tap into things we
haven't even allowed ourselvesto feel about the event, the
(45:36):
adventures of reality and thenwe, you know, can live in joy.
I mean, if you want to knowwhere I think we could go,
that's what I think is possiblewith the flowering of humanity
and a greater future foreveryone and world peace.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I definitely, I definitely think that that is a
potential, not a potential.
I think it is the, thedestination, because that's
where we want to go.
But I also have had a hypnosissession where I was one of those
beings and I experienced it andit really was interesting
because the questions that werebeing asked of me by the
facilitator were really I mean,they were human-based questions.
(46:14):
They were still questions, butit was.
I think it was to just describethe difference between existing
in a place like this, where wedo have that conflict and the
struggle, and existing in aplace where, exactly what you're
describing, people do whatthey're inspired to do and we
share that with other people andso, therefore, there's no need
for money.
So, poof, that's gone, right.
(46:34):
So, yeah, I definitely feellike we're we're getting there.
But one part I just want totouch on here in terms of, like
sometimes, humans, we want toknow the linear order of how do
we get to that place.
But and I'm getting to theplace where I recognize it
doesn't really matter if itcomes in order or not, if we
(46:57):
just listen to it, we'll getthere.
That is interesting to me isthis concept of.
We were talking at the beginningabout allowing ourselves to
feel the experience in itstotality, to then allow it to
pass through us.
And then, if we bring that andwe take into a concept, let's
(47:19):
say somebody is listening tothis and they're thinking how
can you get rid of money?
Because if you think about itlogically, the way they've
taught us to think, it's a verydifficult thought process of how
to get to that place.
And then there were some thingsyou were saying were reminding
me of, well, the governmenthiding things, or, frankly,
religious groups hiding things,or propagating this fear or
(47:43):
whatever things, or propagatingthis fear or whatever.
And to me that kind of stuffI've always felt like that comes
from the humanness of theexperience, like I don't think
spirituality is incorrect in anyway and there's spirituality
all throughout.
But if you take it and put itin the container of religion,
(48:04):
then you wind up with thingslike guilt and repentance, all
of that stuff.
They are still in thisstructure of believing the
restrictions that these programsput on us and they kind of
(48:34):
perpetuate it.
So it's almost like healing.
Those people need to heal whatthey need to heal and then when
they become the leaders, theybecome technically more dominant
in our areas.
Then they can then propagatethat feeling of oneness and
completeness.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
And if they get the love, if they take those roles
of because of insecurity,because they want love I mean,
like politicians, they just wantto be loved because they never
got that.
So if we can love the childrento its ultimate capacity, then
they have that security to notwant to dominate and just
because they know they've beenloved so they don't feel a need
(49:20):
to control others anddesperately seek that.
So it gives them the power tobe the expression of the love
you know.
So you feel it, you express it,you know it and you just bring
it out to the source.
So it's like that's what Ithink then starts at home that
(49:42):
progress and people are caughtup in their you know lives,
because they do have needs thathaven't been met.
And so, yeah, it's a big globalmovement that I'm looking at.
But why not If we could?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, we can, I know we can, we will, I think we will
.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I think we will.
I mean it's a great quote by HGWells who said someday people
will look back at old newspapersand think, was there ever such
a world?
Yeah, that was aboutdestruction and you know, war
and starvation.
So I think that's, I think itis, I think it is coming, I mean
(50:25):
hopefully.
I mean yeah, I think that's thepath, that, oh, I definitely
think it's on the way, becausethere's so many people who are.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Again, if we look at what we want to create, when we
start to recognize that we arethe creators, right, we look at
what we want to create and seewhat we don't.
That's that contrast, right?
You don't know what you wantuntil you've got that contrast,
but right you?
Speaker 2 (50:44):
don't know what you want until you've got that
contrast, but we got thecontrast.
So, yeah, yeah, we really gotit now.
So, um, we can definitely moveon to something where you can
own that contrast so you don'thave to experience that again.
Okay, got that one.
We know what it's like to.
You know, bashar says itdoesn't get any denser than this
(51:06):
plane, yeah.
So he says get all the densityyou can, because we're moving on
from here, because you knowwe're here to own the density in
this form.
But you know things are movingbeyond that.
So, yeah, it's okay.
(51:27):
We've all indulged in whateverthat is, so it's time for our
new adventure yeah into theunknown.
That's what my one another thing, my teacher, said we're here to
make known the unknown, whichis why people create.
You create those gravity neverexisted before.
You made known the unknown bybringing it into form.
This is why people create.
You create those gravity neverexisted before.
You made known the unknown bybringing it into form.
(51:48):
This is why people do podcastsor whatever they do, because
that's their soul's ultimatedestiny is to make known the
unknown, which adds to creation.
As creators, that's that's howI see it.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
I mean other people and I think it's the creations
are.
This is what I love about themall thing like like we talked
about the songs.
I mean movies are like that too.
You know, there's some pirateparadigm where they want to
include the conflict, but thenthere are parts of it that are
to me.
They really resonate as trueand it's like oh no, that really
is reality, that's not pretend,you know.
That's that sets the seed forthe belief and the thought
(52:25):
process, and and then somebodyelse creates something even
bigger.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
So yeah, yeah no, it's all fun.
I think you know we're here tohave more fun and experience and
joy and love and laughter.
And you know feel good, yeah, Imean, but not in an artificial
way like people think drugs oralcohol make.
That doesn't actually make themfeel good, it numbs them from
feeling bad.
So feeling good is aself-actualizing process.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
And you can't even expect someone else to make you
feel good.
You know that's also that dramaof attachment.
You know that's also that dramaof attachment.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
But you know, it might be nice to have those
people around, but it comes fromthose songs.
You're listening to those songsfor love, self-love.
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And now we invite you to enjoythe show when we're channeling
or we're getting informationthat these, this, this energy
that's coming in, doesn't haveto have a name.
It's, I feel.
For me, I would say the quickestway to describe it is I can
remember being a child.
I grew up in the South, so I wasSoutheast, so I was essentially
around a bunch of Christiansand there were a few others that
I were friends with.
And you know, I got a oneperson's house and they'd have a
(00:51):
picture of Jesus or whatever.
And then you go to somebodyelse's house.
I got a picture of Jesus, butthey don't look the same, right,
and of course I thought as achild, of course that makes
sense oh, that was that humanconstruct of there's, this idea
of who Jesus is, and this is howit comes out and this is how it
becomes a thing.
So I knew very quickly thatthis idea, even of Jesus, was
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not a human being.
It's an entirely differentthing.
And if it's a different thing,then it doesn't have to have all
those requirements like namesand where they are in this idea
of hierarchy, which is what, youknow, humans come up with.
And my friend told me to talkto you because she said you had
lots of enlightening things tosay about that well, just that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
If we start to name things, we start to limit the
perception, because you know itgoes back to quantum physics.
You collapse, the wave functionand things become concretized
as what it is.
And if you're more fluid, moreopen, more abstract, you gain
(01:58):
greater meaning of thingsbecause you're not confined to a
box.
So even if you're looking at atree, if you call that a tree,
then your mind goes I know whata tree looks like and you miss
the amazing being that'sstanding in front of you.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So it's good to name, because we have to organize the
world according to labels.
But don't get attached to thelabel.
They're not.
The map is not the territory.
Have you heard that term?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Oh no, I haven't thought about that, but it makes
complete sense.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Right.
So the words are the map, butit's not the reality.
We, if you look at the books byJoseph Chilton Pierce, he says
we live in a semantic reality.
It means we live in a world ofeverything's been named and
we're really disconnected fromthe actuality of the environment
(02:52):
.
So go out into the woods and beby yourself and don't name
anything and be absorbed by thenature there and you realize
you're actually a part of thatnature.
You're not separate.
You know human beings thinkthey're separate.
There have to conquer nature.
And you know the the, theindigenous cultures, knew that
(03:14):
they were part of nature.
They lived in harmony withnature.
You know they were in touchwith, like, if there was an
earthquake or a hurricane orthere was something coming, they
didn't panic because the earthtalked to them.
And so the problem is leftbrain, right brain.
Our right brain, our intuitivebrain, is shut down because
(03:36):
we've been so language-based,We've been so identified with
names and when you namesomething you're just in the
left brain and make theseassumptions about the nature of
reality because someone told youthat's what it is.
But if you're in your rightbrain you start to feel more,
you start to tap into things andthat's what I teach is the
(03:58):
difference between in remoteviewing.
Remote viewing is the ability todisconnect from the left brain
and to tap into the right brain,which is a non-local mind.
That's how people, that's howStanford Research Institute, the
CIA, proved that remote viewingworked for 50 years ago.
50 years ago in the earlyseventies, or maybe 60 years ago
(04:21):
.
But you know it's it's not anew thing, it's age old, this
intuitive high mind.
So it's just stop identifyingwith your own name, with your
own history, with your ownthoughts.
You know, yes, people are intoself-realization, but what is
the self?
Well, the self is something youcan't define.
So how are you going to realizesomething you can't define?
(04:43):
So you're better off juststaying abstract and not.
I mean, yeah, it's great tofind yourself and realize
yourself, but what's that thatyou're realizing?
It's the infinite.
That's what you're realizingwhen you really right.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah Well, even in coming to that part of where I
am going with things I amwrecking, it's kind of hard
because it is you're takingthese big ideas, their feelings,
they're like concepts, but it'sit's, it is really restricting
(05:22):
it, it's limiting it, it's, itis really restricting it, it's
limiting it, it's shrinking itdown almost in a way, because
we're, as I mentioned to youearlier, we're we're taking the
channeled messages.
There's a little bit of like a Idon't know if there's a delay
on my sound, I feel like I'm Ican hear myself later.
Okay, anyways come the messagesthat came through and
(05:47):
channeling it is very much alimiting, smaller, it's like
shrinking it down and trying tocreate it or write it in a way
that can be received by theperson reading it who is still
in, like you're talking about,still in the left brain, because
we're still reading sentencesand so forth.
Like you're talking about stillin the left brain because we're
still reading sentences and soforth.
So I guess that brings up thenext question of language and
(06:17):
the construct of these things.
Like, we use these wordsbecause they help us to
understand, but like theconstruct of I don't remember
what you were just talking about, but you just used the word
higher, and that's somethingthat I've noticed.
For me is something that, inlanguage, it continues to
facilitate this illusion thatthere's better than, or higher
(06:41):
or lower, or there's hierarchything going on.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
There is no better than there's.
No, I mean, yes, maybe there'sa.
You know, if you talk aboutfrequencies, right, there are
higher frequencies and lowerfrequencies.
Uh, you talk about complexitytheory.
There's more complex systemsthat hold more information, and
I think our soul has thecapacity to hold information.
(07:09):
The deeper you get, maybe, intoself-realization, the more the
capacity of the soul expands.
So we expand to have a greaterunderstanding about the nature
of reality.
So it's not better or worsethan anything.
Everyone's on their own path.
Eventually everyone will getthere, wherever there is or not,
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but it's, it's, it's, I think,the nature of consciousness is
to understand itself, which islike, it's like walking towards
the horizon, because there'salways the infinite.
You know that's out in front ofyou.
So I think people do makeprogress in understanding
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themselves.
You know, socrates said knowthyself, right, and so I think,
in knowing yourself better,we're happier.
You know, if you don't knowwhat's making you unhappy,
you're never going to get to the, to the root of that.
But if you start theself-realization, looking at
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yourself and saying, okay, I canprove my life here, here and
here, this doesn't make me happy.
I'm letting go of those friendsthat bring me down, that, you
know, drain my energy orwhatever.
Then yeah, I think we're hereto be happy, we're here to have
experiences.
We're here, maybe, not to solvethe mystery but to realize
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we're part of the mystery.
That's not my original thing,that's Joseph Campbell.
But yeah, joseph Campbell saidthat, who really understood a
lot.
He understood that myths weretrue.
Everyone thinks myths are madeup stories, but myths
symbolically tell the story ofpeople's lives.
You know stories are whatpeople are about, but don't get
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attached to the story.
So it's like the Buddhist don'tget attached to your
identification, don't yourpolitical party, your baseball
team, your whatever you know.
Because if you're attached tothat identity, someone comes
along and insults your baseballteam or your political.
Then you take it personally.
(09:19):
And people do that becausethey're glued to their
television set.
They're just set be this,you're this, and and.
And.
Because they don't I'm notjudging anyone, but they don't
have a bigger life than theirtelevision set.
So they identify with thesefalse narratives, these false
sense of self and that's whothey think they are.
(09:41):
But if you call I mean if youcall yourself anything you've I
mean Krishnamurti said this ifyou call yourself a Christian, a
Jew, a Buddha, you've created aviolent act because you've
separated yourself from thequantum field, from he didn't
say quantum, but from thetotality.
So yeah, we can use language tokind of move through time and
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space, but we can't stayattached to it.
I don't know if that answersyour question.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, what it brings to mind is something that just
happened recently, within thelast week or so.
My son is 19 now, he justturned 19, and he's still at
home and he's going to school,and we are butting heads, like
often parents and 19 year oldsdo, and so through this process
he came to this realization thathe has he has certain feelings
(10:33):
that are essentially causing himproblems.
Ok, which is really great thata 19 year old even figured this
out and so he tells me this andI talked to him a little bit
about it with the work that I do, like you could do this and
that kind of stuff.
And then the next morning Iwoke up and I was like you know
what you could do, all that youcould figure out what the story
is behind it.
Why do you have all that goingon?
Blah, blah, blah.
But if you really don't, if youreally just want to deal with
(10:55):
it and you want to heal it, skipall that and just recognize you
just have it.
It's there.
So now go to go to the stepsthat you need to do to actually
heal it or change it, and thenyou get to skip all that story
stuff.
I think oftentimes get on theget stuck on the stories like
you're talking about with thebaseball.
You know you're attached towhatever it is that you're
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calling your identity and itreally slows things down.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, I mean, if you get attached to your story, I
mean some people, there's awhole movement in psychology of
just doing away with the story.
The Freudian analysis, becauseall it does is keep you trapped
in the story oh my goodness,does it yes.
My mother did this, this persondid this and you're victimizing
yourself.
Okay so.
(11:40):
But I think there is a bit ofembracing the feelings.
You know someone made you angry, so feel the anger.
You don't have to lash out atsomeone because they made you
angry or they're angry.
So I think there's theacknowledgement of the feeling
(12:02):
and you don't need the story.
I mean, sometimes the storyhelps, but not overindulgent.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah Well, so I also just went through something
called cutting the ties thatbind, which I think was
originally created by PhyllisCrystal I think that's her name,
Okay and I did it with MichaelSheridan.
So there's some dreaminterpretation that goes in with
it, and that's essentially whatthe goal was.
Is you kind of you get revealedthrough your dreams, these
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things that you need to look at,which are talking about the
feelings, and through all of mywork?
That really is the thing.
There is no quote, objectivereality we can't get out of our
own perspective, right?
So it's not really about what'sgoing on.
There's no truth to it.
It's just how you feel about itthat you have to deal with.
So then here's my next question.
So how does that translate foryou into?
(12:51):
I guess my question is reallykind of how did you come to this
?
Because I came to all thisstuff through healing, so I
eventually didn't realize I wasdoing this, but I was
recognizing that certain thingswere not working for me, whether
it's in the outside world orhow I felt, or whatever.
There was something that wasn'tworking for me.
So I went looking and this isthe path that I wound up on.
So I guess part of my questionis because that common thread of
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experiencing the emotion orfeeling the emotion,
acknowledging it not get hung upon it, but experiencing it
allows you that energy to kindof flow more fluently, which is
more natural state.
So how does that connect withthe stuff that you're doing?
How does that being in thatflow state of acknowledging the
feelings and experiencing themand then also allowing them to
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go, how does that?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, I mean, the stuff that I'm doing is actually
going beyond all that.
I'm looking at new realities,but it was all based on feeling.
Of course, you know, it's allbased on experience and I think
we're here to have greatexperiences, fantastic, joyful,
inquisitive adventures in the 3D.
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That's why we incarnated here,because it's a really
interesting place and to avoidthe traps of emotionality but
not lose the feeling.
That's how I make thedistinction.
People get stuck depressedpeople or angry people, or
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indulgent people, or you knowindulgent people there.
They're attached to thatidentity as well.
But it's not just an identity,it's actually a chemical in
their body.
You know depressed people or ortake an angry person right, and
we all know somebody who's justwaiting to be angry.
You know and I try to stay awayfrom that because I think my
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mother was like that but it's achemical, that's a chemical in
their body.
So when the chemical starts towear off, they don't even
consciously but unconsciouslyfind a reason to get angry
because the body's saying weneed those chemicals.
So the way beyond that is tosay I'm getting that feeling
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like I'm supposed to be angryand I'm not going there.
It's like you do cold turkeyfrom the chemical.
So it's like, OK, I'm feelingthis, OK, someone's cutting me
off, Do I indulge?
Because if you indulge it youkeep the chemicals going.
But if you just observe it, andI think that's really you
observe the feelings, you don'tdeny it, but you don't indulge
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it.
So, yeah, I'm feeling anxious,I'm feeling sad, but I'm just
going to be.
The observer of reality isreally the soul, or the God,
essence, higher, being, nothigher or low, but the being,
the essential being, that ishaving the experience.
So you want to feel it, butit's, it'll pass through you,
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like these thoughts.
If you hold on to a thought,that's great, you could write it
down or whatever.
But if you hold on to that thatfeeling, it becomes an
emotionality.
Feelings are what we have everymoment, is my belief, and
that's recorded in the soul asthe Akashic records.
People do Akashic recordreading or whatever.
They're just tuning into thesoul, which is every moment
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recording the nature of reality,going back to whatever lifetime
it all began or whateverparallel dimensions you're
living in.
But it's the soul, the feelingcapacity of the human being, and
you know, people, I make adistinction between the soul and
the spirit.
I don't know if this allanswers your question.
(16:37):
But what distinction?
What do you make as adistinction?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Between the soul and spirit.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Um, no, I, I don't think that I spent a lot of time
on that, because I don't,frankly that, to be truthful, I
don't want to get into theargument with somebody because a
lot of times you use thosewords depending on who you're
talking to.
People are identifying withcertain constructs that they
have, and if I'm talking aboutthat energy, I don't want to get
(17:06):
into an argument about that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I want to talk, I want to communicate the message
yeah, yeah, but I'm sayingthere's no right answer to this.
I mean there's no right orwrong.
I'll just tell you mydistinction.
And it's not like the absolute,because we're talking in terms
that there are no absolutesright, but from what I heard
from one of my teachers, andthat made sense to me, that's
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the only reason I'm sharing isthat the spirit, whatever that
means, is the spark of creationthat has, that's inside all of
us, that is the, the vital forceof beingness.
And so we descended from thegreat spark, you know, the great
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source itself.
As it contemplated itself, itcreated all these infinite
sparks.
And then we went on to createlevels and levels of density and
creation.
But in those adventures ofcreating we needed a way to hold
the wisdom of experience.
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And the wisdom of experiencethen was held by the soul, which
was created by the spirit tohold, because otherwise we just
have adventures and adventuresand adventures, which is great.
But the soul gathers the wisdomfrom each of those adventures.
Like your son, he had arealization, an awakening, and
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that was his soul kind ofregistering.
Oh, that's the wisdom of theseexperiences.
And so I only make it seem,because the soul houses as we
evolve, that the evolution ofthat wisdom, and of course,
we've descended from the greatsource and we're evolving back
to that through understandingthe play of reality as it
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interfaces with human experience, which is the fun of it all.
So I don't know, did thatanswer anything?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well, yeah, no, I actually.
So what you said kind of waswas where my mind went
originally, which is spirit.
I would probably automaticallykind of connect to the more,
more of the oneness like this,this thing that, like you're
talking about, is the spark, butthen the soul, I would say,
because we usually associatethis as a small part of one
(19:28):
person, right, I mean that's theetymology, right.
But yeah, it is more like acontainer, and so it's a place
within which those stories canoccur.
And I mean any person whowrites stories or, you know, I
mean movies or creates things,knows that to have a good story
you have to have conflict, youhave to have characters, you
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have to have something to createthe story, because otherwise
you would just be, there wouldbe a story.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
It wouldn't be intriguing, wouldn't be
interesting well, maybe, but Idon't know if that's necessarily
true, because that's the humandrama.
But I think we're getting offthat, that sense of conflict
which you know draws people in,maybe I would say possibly, and
I don't know a sense ofadventure where you keep
expanding into the nature ofreality, existence itself.
(20:19):
As the adventure unfolds, anever-ending journey unfolds
into the greater possibility,greater and greater possibility.
So, yeah, I think, conflict andresolution, and more so, and
(20:55):
it's the emotion that never getsresolved, like with depressed
people.
They just feel it.
They may know the story behindit, but because of the chemicals
and the indulgence, thosefeelings become recycled
emotions and you don't getbeyond it because you keep going
(21:17):
back, like you said, the story.
So I think if we tap into thisnature of experience, which is
what we're here to have, that'swhy we're here.
We're here to experience thetotality of the incarnational 3D
world, all of it.
So if we get stuck in one thing, we're missing a whole bunch of
other things that is availableto gain the wisdom for the
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soul's evolution, or what youcall self-actualization, or
whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, Right, um, self um actualization, or whatever
you want to call it.
Yeah, right, so okay, then itsounds to me like there's also a
similar distinction between, asthere was for spirit and soul,
as there is between feeling andemotion I make that, I'm making
those things up, okay, well, canyou clarify.
What do you where?
Where is your thinking withfeeling and emotion?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
then, yeah, yeah.
So feelings is what we haveevery moment is being recorded.
When you have, when you have alike, let's say, a angry
reaction or a depressory or sad,it's like if you keep going
into that and indulging it in away, you never really get to the
bottom of it because you keeplike that thing and that's
(22:29):
emotion.
I call that emotionality.
I mean it's great to haveemotion, but if you're angry, if
someone cuts you off or doessomething, it's, you know, anger
is a natural response.
But if you keep going back tothat, I mean anger should last I
don't know, it's no should, butyou know a few minutes and then
it subsides and then, but ifyou keep going back to it,
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you've never completed that.
So it becomes emotionality andyou no longer are feeling it.
You're feeling the past andyou're not letting go and moving
forward or trying to resolve itsomehow.
So that's where I call itemotions, or emotionality and
feeling.
If you just let yourself feeland go to the depth of that
(23:15):
jealousy, you know, then you'vewhat my teacher says you've
owned that as wisdom becauseyou've gone to the depth of it.
When you yeah, but you have tofeel.
If you just keep reacting to it.
You never allow it to sink in,to be owned on a soul level.
So when you allow yourself tofeel the totality of whatever
(23:37):
that is good, bad, beautiful,ugly, then it becomes wisdom to
the soul that helps you move on.
So this is all myinterpretation.
I'm not saying this is right atall, I'm just saying this is
what I read, believe experience.
So the idea here of incarnationis to own the human experience,
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is to look at everyone that youpass on the street, everyone,
and say I can feel what theyfeel, you know everyone.
It's like when you can own thehuman experience, which means
you've felt everything, it'sthat it's possible for humans to
feel.
What I think happens is yourcellular structure starts to
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accelerate, starts to vibrate ata higher frequency, because the
reason you've come to this 3Dlevel, it's sort of complete
because you've come here to havea human experience and you've
had it and you know it's a workin progress.
And then we're here to start tohave new experiences that have
yet to be experienced by thehuman dimension and that's a
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sort of ascension, that's a sortof an acceleration and that's a
(25:12):
sort of ascension, that's asort of an acceleration.
So I think the whole idea ofconflict takes us back to the
old thing, and maybe the trueadventure is the next level of
vibratory rate, which has to becreators to emulate creation.
You know, we're a spark of thedivine.
The divine has whatever that is, has created this beauty and we
, as creators, emulate thecreation by being creative
expressors.
So that's our real function.
This, this is my belief as humanbeings to be the artist, be the
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creator, be whatever that is toyou, whatever that joy is to
you.
Maybe it's teaching, maybe it'ssinging, maybe it's talking,
maybe it's podcasting, maybeit's writing.
Whatever output you have thatsparks your highest creativity
is, I think, the reason you'vecome and what you do is share
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your feeling nature so otherpeople can relate to that.
So we're all here to share ourfeelings, because we all know
what emotion, depression,sadness we all know what that is
, but what are the feelings of?
And sometimes an art piece orcan help you tap into stuff you
haven't allowed yourself to feellike, yeah, I had broken up
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with this woman and he didn'treally know what I was feeling
when I heard this song and it'slike, oh, that it just hit me.
It's like, oh, that's what'shappening to me OK.
So I think we benefit fromother people's creative
expression, and that is anotherway of owning the wisdom of our
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feelings, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So when you were talking it's come up a couple of
times while you were talkingthat I just wanted to bring this
in I had a realization thatcame through a lot of reading,
experiencing whatever you wantto call it, and two people who
were creating things that helpedme the most.
I had this, so my husband diedin 2013.
(27:08):
And so I was in the midst ofgrief and I was listening to all
this stuff.
I had listened to Deepak Chopraseveral times, but you keep
hearing the same things over andover.
That's why we're having thisconversation, so we can do this.
But he had said several timesyou're not your thoughts.
(27:28):
And there was this ideapresented that we think our
thoughts are truth when they'revery much not your thoughts.
And there was this ideapresented that you know you're,
we think our thoughts are truthwhen they're very much not your
thoughts.
And then he talked about how tobe the observer and so forth,
and there was a time I was.
I noticed I was feeling prettygood, everything was all right,
and then something happened or athought occurred, and then this
grief emotion came in and itwas just like this tornado and I
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was like, wow, that's reallyunpleasant, and I could just
feel myself going there.
But I did exactly what you'retalking about.
I allowed it to go there, Ihonored it and then, as that
happened fairly quickly, as soonas that happened it just
disappeared and it reminded meof the way that Bruce Lipton
talks about that Petri dish.
Right, your thoughts are thePetri dish of your body, and so
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the thoughts have an effect onwhat comes out in the physical
reality.
So it was like this you knowyou have a thought, and if you
think about a thought, like theimages of the synapses in the
brain, you know it's energy thatgoes from one place and it has
this motion.
And if you're just watching itfrom one place, you notice it
come from nothing into somethingand then it goes back to
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nothing, and so that's the wayit's felt.
For me is that's the way theenergy works.
It comes, you know, if it's athought, it comes in, it comes
into fruition, it experiencesitself and then it is gone, and
that corresponds with all thisstuff that you're talking about.
But I found it really funnythat, even as we discuss this,
you know we're entertaining thisidea of self-realization and so
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forth and we're actuallytalking about integrating these
ideas into our lives, whenactually, in reality, we are
doing that.
We're already there, right Likethere's no, it's actually no
journey to become self-realized.
I mean, of course there's waysto get better or improve, but in
reality we're actually alreadydoing that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I think we are.
I think that's why we've comehere to do that, you know.
And I think one other thing toadd to that is that this level
of reality and the human drama,I mean, yes, it's not, it's.
There's still war, there'sstill people starving, there's
still awful things happening,but we're going around, not in a
(29:44):
circle, but in a spiral, to thenext level, where we're about
to meet the next challenge tohuman existence, which is, you
know, off planet beings, that upthe level of experience, to a
whole new realm.
And that's what's so excitingabout that work.
(30:07):
You know, it's like, okay, wecould go back to the same old
drama, but what does the unknown, what have we yet to experience
?
And what does meeting theothers and people always project
fear, but I don't think there'sanything to fear.
I mean, it's different, it'sshocking, it's a whole other
(30:27):
vibration that's hard to cognize, but it's the challenge of our
evolution.
Because do we want to keepdoing the same dramas, the same
ridiculous love stories andmovies and shoot them up, cowboy
?
I mean I think we're over it,you know.
(30:49):
I think it's been done.
It's been done great, butthere's a whole other adventure
that we have no idea about, thatwe're capable of engaging and
that's the most exciting thinghappening now on planet Earth.
Yes, it's time to resolve thewars and the awful things and
(31:26):
get on with the next level ofour souls interaction, of owning
a higher experience and elev.
Because the government, byholding on to the secrets they
are and I didn't say this, butthis insider from the government
, colonel Carl Mel, says we'rebeing deprived of the pursuit of
happiness.
Happiness is, in a sense,knowing what reality is.
(31:47):
Reality is, if we're beingdenied reality, we're being
denied a level of engagementthat seems to be here, and I
think absolutely, because thegovernment has admitted that and
people have had experience, andI've had experiences, if you
read my book.
So what's going on?
And that's, I think, thisin-between thing, that actually
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self-realization just went toanother level, because those
beings, whatever, whoever theyare, are not different than us.
They may be smarter, they mayhave more technology, but I
think on the soul level they'reequal to us and it's my feeling.
I can't prove that, but sothey're just as curious about us
(32:31):
as we would be about thembecause, you know, humans are
full of drama and emotionalityand maybe they've gone beyond
that and forgot what that's like.
So they are.
You know, oh, that'sinteresting, but you know, just
so, maybe a refresher course on,you know their evolution is
going.
But you know, the idea is tocome into balance with these
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adventures and hold our sense of, of feeling sense, and expand
our intellectual knowledge andmake life easier with what?
Obviously these ships are notfilling up their gas tank to get
here, so we don't have to beenslaved to the fossil fuel
company I don't even think theyare fossil fuel but to these gas
, oil, gas companies, becausethe world's been built in that
(33:19):
kind of way.
So I think we're reaching apoint of, of a nexus point of
evolution, where we can takecharge of our own lives in a
much bigger way and be more ofthe creators by allowing people
the freedom you know to express.
(33:40):
I mean, who would have thoughtthat a working class city in
England in the 1960s wouldproduce music that would last a
long time?
Yeah, produce musicians fromLiverpool that would, like you
know, tap into the zeitgeist ofthe next, you know, century,
(34:05):
half century, whatever.
But you know so those guysBeatles are, are just like
anyone else, but they allowthemselves the freedom of
expression and look how muchthey've added to the world.
So we all have that capability,when we tap into this creative
flow, to add to creation ascreators.
(34:26):
That's really one of myfavorite messages is to bring
out our ability to create andexpress in whatever form.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, and so I.
Actually I have anundergraduate in fine arts and I
do.
I've been doing graphics for 25years, but that was only
because I wanted to do art, butI wanted to have a career.
So that in the framework, I waslike, okay, this is what to do,
have a career.
So that in the framework I waslike, okay, this is what to do.
So, but, regardless, you learnwhen you get a degree in art,
(34:57):
you learn the creative process,which is really the same thing
for every creative venture, nomatter what.
And so you get that through andthrough.
And the thing that you'retouching on there, I mean I
would completely concur withthat, because what I see is, you
know, even just being aconsumer of the creative arts,
whatever they are, you see theseglimpses of truth, and I mean
(35:24):
truth in the sense that thereare concepts that really can
change the way people structuretheir world.
Okay, now, it's all intermixedwith these other belief systems
of the structures and conflictand all that kind of garbage
that we are familiar with, butit also has a lot of times
they'll have like essences ofthings.
You know, you'll have a songthat that says something that
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really emulates the, the feelingof, whatever the experience was
.
So these people who have, youknow, love songs and you know it
doesn't say who it's to, itdoesn't you know?
There's not all these real yeah, yeah.
Well, actually, in the cuttingthe ties that bind the, the one
of the big things that camethrough for me was, like I get
messages through songs and I hadgotten a couple of songs and I
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put them on there and I get tothe end of it and I knew that I
was going to write these wordsthat were going to kind of
encapsulate what I had learned.
And I did that and I didn't getit until the very end.
But the thing that I got aboutthe songs was there were these
love songs and they weren't eventhe same genre, they're like
all over the board, and I wastrying to figure out, well,
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what's the real message behindthese things.
I realized, oh, these are, yes,they're love songs, but they're
love songs from myself tomyself, they're not between two
separate humans.
It's from me, it's a messagefrom me to me.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Oh, that's good.
I'd like to hear those songs,I'd like to know what I mean.
Oh, I'll be glad to share themwith you.
Uh, it's not very many rightnow, it's only about five, but
uh, but I keep.
It's a different way of lookingat things, right.
Well, I think that's fantastic.
That is great.
We need more of those like whatsong you think of when that's
love to you from you um, well,so well, I'm a female, so that's
(37:05):
a.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I'd like to talk to you about that too, because in
so I'm in a group of people, I'minvolved with people and we're
starting to recognize that we'rechanneling whatever words you
want to use to call it and Itake this channeling course and
I finally realized, oh, I'vebeen doing it my whole life, I
didn't know that.
I know what that feeling isRight, and a lot of times
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there's these uh, I would sayit's ego based.
There's like it's a belief inthe structure of correctness,
wrongness.
You know, are you doing a goodjob of that kind of thing?
And so a lot of times we'll askquestions.
Like you know, you channel amessage and then, because we're
in this group, we get feedback.
Well, how does that resonatewith you?
Does that sit well with you?
Most of the time we get reallygood feedback, but a lot of
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times, what you'll see toosometimes is if somebody's
struggling with those beliefsystems, they really question
the information they're getting,and so really, what they're
doing is questioning themselves.
And somebody channeled a messagefor me, because I was not in
this state where I was able toreceive the message fully and
openly, and so she channeledthis message and she actually
said fully and openly.
(38:11):
And so she channeled thismessage and she actually said
no-transcript.
So those so in the given.
That being said, that'sprobably why it came through for
me, in my particular, you know,existence in this timeframe
really comes through the lovesongs, because I'm sure I like
(38:32):
love songs.
I mean it's not, you know, um,yeah, so, anyways, that was.
That was really interesting tohave all that stuff come through
.
So then my my next questionreally interesting to have all
that stuff come through.
So then my next question, andmaybe this is a topic for next
time, but I think there's anoverall.
You know, as young childrencome in, you start to see a
(38:54):
shift in where their interest isand where it lies, and I do
think we're getting to thatplace where, you know, you're
seeing there's a very, very mucha disinterest in the old
paradigms, the old ways ofthinking, and there's a lot of
you know it really doesn't haveto be that way kind of thing.
So it's like they have that asthe foundation and they're
almost able to skip some of thestuff that we've done in the
(39:14):
past and go forward.
So, and I do feel like we'redefinitely ascending, because
otherwise we wouldn't be herehaving a podcast right Talking
about this.
Then there wouldn't be herehaving a podcast right Talking
about this and there wouldn't bepeople listening.
I'm making this podcast becauseI was guided to do such a thing.
I don't even know who's goingto listen to it, but the impact,
I know, is important.
So where do you think, or maybejust kind of talk a little bit
(39:38):
about how, going into this next,this new you were talking about
with the um, the outsiders orwhat do you want to call them,
the aliens how they have adifferent way of perceiving
things?
and I will concur that myexperience with knowledge of
other whatever you want to callthem, entities, beings, whatever
(39:58):
they are in a differentdimension, is exactly that, like
I've actually, in hypnosis,experienced where I was one of
those things and there weren'tall these emotions.
You didn't get that intensityand I've pulled that several
times over.
They, they want to come here,like you said, they're curious
because they maybe they want arefresher, maybe they all pass
that, they don't have theconflict, they don't have all
this other garbage, but theywant the refresher and the
(40:20):
feeling part of it.
So where do you think we aregoing?
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Maybe that's Well if we could make it through this
little critical moment.
I think we're in.
It always seems like we're inthat moment, but it always gets
a little more intense.
But I think if we can integratethis higher technology, raise
our vibration to get out of thelower levels of human drama I
(40:48):
mean lower level in the sensethat there's people that are
really not happy but they keepdoing whatever they're doing,
which is their choice, but theydon't know they have a choice.
But if we can help those peopleand see that there is a
beautiful planet like I'm inSedona now, which is just a
(41:12):
fantastic place to be thatthere's a beautiful planet and
there's beautiful experiencesand that everyone is a creative
being, like when you do yourgraphics or create something,
you're bringing something newinto the world and you're
bringing in a feeling.
Whatever that graphic expresses, you're creating from the
(41:35):
unknown.
It never existed before.
This book never existed before.
Until I put it together, it'slike, and that's satisfying, and
I think that's really why we'reincarnated here.
Yeah, we're here to haverelationships and children and
all those things, but the deeperpart, with free energy, with,
(41:58):
like, having everyone live inabundance, you know.
So there doesn't have to bethings happening where someone's
less than and I mean that'sidealistic and hopeful and I
think possible, but you know itis idealistic.
But if we can come to thatplace where everyone contributes
(42:19):
to creation as creators, inwhatever way, then that's what I
call the flowering of humanity,that's what I call like a
moment where we've achieved asense of collective awakening
and you know, you know, andeveryone becomes the great
(42:41):
musician or, you know, followstheir passion, and this is what
Bashar talks about.
You're here to follow yourpassion every moment of every
day, and whatever that passionis and I think it's being
creative in whatever way, ormaybe taking a walk.
So when humans have anopportunity to do that and go
(43:03):
beyond survival basically iswhat I'm saying go beyond
surviving and start to thrivethrive, not survive then I mean
we have to go, in our minds,beyond survival in order to
thrive, so like but it's acollective cultural thing too
then the possibilities of humansoul expansion comes online in
(43:29):
even greater degrees.
And you know joy and love andhigher forms of relationship
that don't involve those, youknow dramas, if that's possible,
you know, can be resolved, andand then we live in harmony with
(43:50):
nature.
Yeah, and then, um, thecreative process because we will
have this higher technology andfree energy and abundant food
and we don't have to be enslavedto the current money systems,
and I mean then we can reallybecome part of a galactic
federation where that already ishappening in other worlds and
(44:13):
we still are very much caught upin the drama of the
emotionality and think conflictis the only way to go.
I'm not saying anything, but youknow, I think other forms of
being are possible andoccasionally you get a glimpse
of it.
You can just sit back in yourhouse is possible.
(44:35):
It's just like we.
You know, it's like the path ofthe Bodhisattva You're not
happy until everyone is happy orenlightened.
We don't let AI take over ourlives and we can disconnect from
some of that, but let have haveit be done for us.
You know the things that no onewants to do, really, whatever
(45:13):
that would be.
But some people enjoy, you know, gardening or whatever, farming
, and that's fun if that.
But when we have that peace,that sense of flowering, then
the creative process reallycomes online and we start to go
deeper into our own feeling,nature and tap into things we
haven't even allowed ourselvesto feel about the event, the
(45:36):
adventures of reality and thenwe, you know, can live in joy.
I mean, if you want to knowwhere I think we could go,
that's what I think is possiblewith the flowering of humanity
and a greater future foreveryone and world peace.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I definitely, I definitely think that that is a
potential, not a potential.
I think it is the, thedestination, because that's
where we want to go.
But I also have had a hypnosissession where I was one of those
beings and I experienced it andit really was interesting
because the questions that werebeing asked of me by the
facilitator were really I mean,they were human-based questions.
(46:14):
They were still questions, butit was.
I think it was to just describethe difference between existing
in a place like this, where wedo have that conflict and the
struggle, and existing in aplace where, exactly what you're
describing, people do whatthey're inspired to do and we
share that with other people andso, therefore, there's no need
for money.
So, poof, that's gone, right.
(46:34):
So, yeah, I definitely feellike we're we're getting there.
But one part I just want totouch on here in terms of, like
sometimes, humans, we want toknow the linear order of how do
we get to that place.
But and I'm getting to theplace where I recognize it
doesn't really matter if itcomes in order or not, if we
(46:57):
just listen to it, we'll getthere.
That is interesting to me isthis concept of.
We were talking at the beginningabout allowing ourselves to
feel the experience in itstotality, to then allow it to
pass through us.
And then, if we bring that andwe take into a concept, let's
(47:19):
say somebody is listening tothis and they're thinking how
can you get rid of money?
Because if you think about itlogically, the way they've
taught us to think, it's a verydifficult thought process of how
to get to that place.
And then there were some thingsyou were saying were reminding
me of, well, the governmenthiding things, or, frankly,
religious groups hiding things,or propagating this fear or
(47:43):
whatever things, or propagatingthis fear or whatever.
And to me that kind of stuffI've always felt like that comes
from the humanness of theexperience, like I don't think
spirituality is incorrect in anyway and there's spirituality
all throughout.
But if you take it and put itin the container of religion,
(48:04):
then you wind up with thingslike guilt and repentance, all
of that stuff.
They are still in thisstructure of believing the
restrictions that these programsput on us and they kind of
(48:34):
perpetuate it.
So it's almost like healing.
Those people need to heal whatthey need to heal and then when
they become the leaders, theybecome technically more dominant
in our areas.
Then they can then propagatethat feeling of oneness and
completeness.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
And if they get the love, if they take those roles
of because of insecurity,because they want love I mean,
like politicians, they just wantto be loved because they never
got that.
So if we can love the childrento its ultimate capacity, then
they have that security to notwant to dominate and just
because they know they've beenloved so they don't feel a need
(49:20):
to control others anddesperately seek that.
So it gives them the power tobe the expression of the love
you know.
So you feel it, you express it,you know it and you just bring
it out to the source.
So it's like that's what Ithink then starts at home that
(49:42):
progress and people are caughtup in their you know lives,
because they do have needs thathaven't been met.
And so, yeah, it's a big globalmovement that I'm looking at.
But why not If we could?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, we can, I know we can, we will, I think we will
.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I think we will.
I mean it's a great quote by HGWells who said someday people
will look back at old newspapersand think, was there ever such
a world?
Yeah, that was aboutdestruction and you know, war
and starvation.
So I think that's, I think itis, I think it is coming, I mean
(50:25):
hopefully.
I mean yeah, I think that's thepath, that, oh, I definitely
think it's on the way, becausethere's so many people who are.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Again, if we look at what we want to create, when we
start to recognize that we arethe creators, right, we look at
what we want to create and seewhat we don't.
That's that contrast, right?
You don't know what you wantuntil you've got that contrast,
but right you?
Speaker 2 (50:44):
don't know what you want until you've got that
contrast, but we got thecontrast.
So, yeah, yeah, we really gotit now.
So, um, we can definitely moveon to something where you can
own that contrast so you don'thave to experience that again.
Okay, got that one.
We know what it's like to.
You know, bashar says itdoesn't get any denser than this
(51:06):
plane, yeah.
So he says get all the densityyou can, because we're moving on
from here, because you knowwe're here to own the density in
this form.
But you know things are movingbeyond that.
So, yeah, it's okay.
(51:27):
We've all indulged in whateverthat is, so it's time for our
new adventure yeah into theunknown.
That's what my one another thing, my teacher, said we're here to
make known the unknown, whichis why people create.
You create those gravity neverexisted before.
You made known the unknown bybringing it into form.
This is why people create.
You create those gravity neverexisted before.
You made known the unknown bybringing it into form.
(51:48):
This is why people do podcastsor whatever they do, because
that's their soul's ultimatedestiny is to make known the
unknown, which adds to creation.
As creators, that's that's howI see it.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
I mean other people and I think it's the creations
are.
This is what I love about themall thing like like we talked
about the songs.
I mean movies are like that too.
You know, there's some pirateparadigm where they want to
include the conflict, but thenthere are parts of it that are
to me.
They really resonate as trueand it's like oh no, that really
is reality, that's not pretend,you know.
That's that sets the seed forthe belief and the thought
(52:25):
process, and and then somebodyelse creates something even
bigger.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
So yeah, yeah no, it's all fun.
I think you know we're here tohave more fun and experience and
joy and love and laughter.
And you know feel good, yeah, Imean, but not in an artificial
way like people think drugs oralcohol make.
That doesn't actually make themfeel good, it numbs them from
feeling bad.
So feeling good is aself-actualizing process.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
And you can't even expect someone else to make you
feel good.
You know that's also that dramaof attachment.
You know that's also that dramaof attachment.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
But you know, it might be nice to have those
people around, but it comes fromthose songs.
You're listening to those songsfor love, self-love.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode of Mystical and Infamous
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