January 28, 2025 • 54 mins
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Neale Donald Walsh shares his transformative journey from hardship to spiritual awakening, resulting in a very personal dialogue with the divine which he shares in nine (9) Conversations with God books. This conversation explores core concepts of interconnectedness, the golden rule, and the shifting landscape of spirituality in today’s world.
• Neale discusses his “triple whammy” experience leading to personal crisis
• Being prompted by a life-altering dialogue with a higher power
• Insights gained through journaling and Conversations with God
• Reevaluating societal values around success and fulfillment
• The impact of Walsh's book, “Conversations with God,” on millions worldwide
• Understanding spirituality as an experiential and empowering journey
• Neale's latest work, “God Talk,” and its focus on personal spiritual practices
• Encouragement to recognize the divine within oneself and others
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion
Center.
Welcome to our podcast Mysticaland Infamous, where we have
playful and easy conversationsabout anything mystical, getting
to the heart of all things,strange and weird.
Join us in a bit of magicaltomfoolery, spreading the
alchemy of love and light.
And now we invite you to enjoythe show.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
About 35 years ago or so, 33 or 34 years ago, I was
facing a horrible moment in mylife.
Blair, all kidding aside, I hadbeen hit by what I call the
triple whammy I lost myrelationship.
(01:05):
I lost my relationship, I lostmy job and I lost my health, all
within the same 10-day period.
My wife and I, you know itwasn't an angry departure, we
just agreed it wasn't working.
So we came to an agreeabledecision just to part company.
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So it wasn't filled with anger,but it was sad for me because
we had two children and I didn'treally want the relationship to
end.
But I thought okay, I can moveforward.
And, blair, five days later Iwas laid off from my job.
The corporation I worked forwas downsizing and I had the
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least amount of seniority.
I was the last person in, firstperson out.
But you know, my boss said wehate to lose you because you're
really, really good at what youdo.
So we're going to give you atleast.
At least we're going to giveyou a really glowing letter of
recommendation that you can taketo other employers, which I
thought, okay, fair enough.
So now I'm driving to aninterview for a new job.
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I'm certain I'm going to get itbecause I've got all the
qualifications and I'm holdingthis glowing letter of
recommendation, so you knowthey're going to hire me.
I never got there.
An older gentleman in his carmade a left turn in front of my
car as I was driving down theroad, smashed right into my car.
He misjudged the distancebetween our two cars and he
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totaled my car.
It was just an accordion ofnothing but mashed up metal and
I broke my neck in the caraccident.
Of course they rushed me to thehospital and I didn't have a
hairline fracture.
I can still remember the wordson the report.
I can still remember the wordson the report.
(03:04):
It said I had suffered athree-quarter inch avulsion
fracture of the seventh cervicalvertebrae posteriorly, in other
words.
Seventh vertebrae, or theseventh, one, the seventh
vertical vertebrae, posteriorlyto my neck.
But it was a break in my necklarge enough to put a pencil
through.
We're not talking about ahairline fracture Now.
(03:28):
You know, when I woke up in theemergency room there was a
doctor leaning over my table andhe said young man, you have no
right to be here.
So I've seen this kind ofaccident before and people who
suffered this series of aninjury to the neck, to the
spinal cord, very often diebecause of spinal cord
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complications and if they don'tdie, at the very least they're
paralyzed from the neck down.
You have escaped both outcomes.
He looked at me and he saidwhat do you intend to do with
the rest of your life?
Because you've been given agreat gift.
I never thought about it inthat way.
(04:16):
But now I finally found anapartment which I really, you
know, wasn't happy about havingto live in, but it was just a
small little one-room studio.
It's a temporary location, butI couldn't pay the rent, blair,
I couldn't pay the rent.
I had no job and nobody wouldhire me.
Now I was going to jobinterviews, but now, because I'm
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wearing this, I had atherapeutic collar that I'm
wearing.
They call it in the business,they call it a Philadelphia
collar.
You can look it up online.
It's a device, it's a plasticcollar that holds up your head.
And the doctor said you may nottake this collar off.
I don't care what you're doing.
Yeah, even if you're sleepingor taking a shower, you will not
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take this collar off becauseit's holding your head up,
because right now we have towait until your neck fuses.
You know again sufficiently tohold up your head, so nobody
will hire me.
Because finally, after seveninterviews, one guy said to me
mr walsh, you know, I got to behonest with you.
We'd hire you in 30 secondswith your qualifications if you
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weren't wearing that therapeuticdevice around your neck, but
with that kind of injury.
If you're still not healed.
One wrong move on the job withus and we're paying your medical
bills for the next 14 years.
We can't do it.
Come back to us when you'refully healed so nobody would
hire me me.
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Finally, my landlord said to meafter about three months of
this Mr Walsh, we can't continueto carry you this way.
We have to ask you to leave.
And I was evicted from myapartment.
Blair, I wound up living on thesidewalk.
I thought, okay, I can do thisfor a couple of bad weeks or a
month until I find something.
I was out there for a year ofmy life, one year living on the
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street.
Try it sometime.
Try it.
Just try it for a weekend.
Go out for a weekend without anickel in your pocket and with
only the clothes on your backand tell me on Monday morning
how you did.
And do that.
For a year which I experienced Ifinally found a little
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part-time job somewhere, enoughto pay the rent on a small
little place and I woke up.
A small little place.
And I woke up in my littleplace one morning after being
there about three weeks, just soangry with God, because you
know I'd been a good person inmy life.
I didn't obey all the rules,fair enough.
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But I was a nice person.
I didn't try to cheat anybodyor hurt anybody and I thought,
okay, what have I done todeserve a life of such endless
struggle?
One thing after the other.
Somebody tell me the rules,I'll play.
Just give me the rule book.
How does this work?
And I saw a tablet on thecoffee table in front of me.
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It was a legal pad that I waswriting my lists on, lists of
things I wanted to get.
So I wrote an angry letter toGod.
Dear God, tell me what I don'tunderstand here.
There's clearly something Idon't understand and I was
really angry.
I'm writing an angry letter.
Of course, it's justquasi-therapeutic device.
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I didn't obviously expect tohear back, but, blair, I began
hearing what I call a voicelessvoice.
You know, it's like the soundof one's own thoughts, but I
began hearing messages in mymind.
You know, relax, it's going tobe all okay.
(08:08):
And I'm thinking, yeah, I'dsure as hell like to know the
answers to my questions.
And the voice said you are sureas hell about a lot of things,
but wouldn't you rather be sureas heaven?
You are sure as hell about alot of things, but wouldn't you
rather be sure as heaven?
And I'm writing, okay, what'sthat supposed to mean?
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I realize I'm just reallytalking to myself, basically.
But then I began receivinganswers Blair to every question
I asked, and I began askingother questions because the
process was astonishing me.
So I ultimately asked questions, really about everything Life,
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white livelihood, sexuality,human relationships, health,
diet.
I asked questions aboutparenting, about really
everything, and I receivedexcuse me, but in my opinion,
what were to me incredibleanswers to every question I
asked.
I thought this is unbelievable.
(09:14):
What's going on?
This went on for weeks, severalweeks.
Every morning I would wake upat 4.30 in the morning, or so
4.23 in the morning, and I wouldjust wake up at 4.30 in the
morning, or so 4.23 in themorning, and I would just wake
up for no apparent reason.
So I thought, okay, fair enough, whatever's going on wants me
to continue.
So I'd go back to my legal pad,you know, and I was still going
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to my part-time job, which wasokay.
At least I could afford mylittle flat.
Couldn't afford much else, butI could at least afford to be
off the street.
Oh, and you know what was niftyabout my little flat.
It actually had a bathroom.
You don't think about thingsuntil you're on the street for a
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year.
You have to sneak intorestaurants or try to find a
public toilet someplace Not aneasy thing to do.
So you go into a restaurant andthe manager would come up to
you and say oh, come on, come on, come on, don't come in here,
don't come in here.
I said, please, I won't botheranybody, I won't talk to any
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customers, I just need to usethe bathroom.
Finally, one manager of aMcDonald's looked at me and he
said okay, fair enough, you cancome in here whenever you need
to, just don't panhandle thecustomers.
I said it's a deal.
And we shook hands yeah, and Ihad a place to go to the
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bathroom.
Yeah, for the last half of mytime on the road.
So that's my long story.
But then I began, as I said,receiving these at the very
least, I would call theminteresting answers to the
questions that I was asking.
And at one point, this voice inmy mind said to me Neil, you're
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going to make of this a bookand it will be read, accessed by
many people.
And I thought to myself that'snot going to happen.
Nobody's going to.
For one thing nobody's going topublish a book because a guy
says, you know, he's having aconversation with God, it's not
going to happen.
Something I could just see Inmy mind's eye.
(11:28):
I was thinking I could just seethe publisher rushing out to
the workroom floor saying to allof his editors hold the presses
.
I got a guy here who's talkingto God.
It's not going to happen.
Nobody's going to do that.
So you know what I did.
I went to a Xerox place where Icould collect 12 cents in those
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days 10 or 12 cents a page andI copied my handwritten notes
and sent them off to a couple ofpublishers Blair.
Four or five weeks later myphone rang and it was a guy who
said you know, I'm from HamptonRoads Publishing Company.
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We'd like to publish your book.
I said are you kidding me?
You're going to publish myhandwritten notes.
He said well, you know, mypeople read it.
They think it's a wonderfulbook of fiction that people
really relate to.
I said whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa.
(12:31):
Wait a minute, this is not abook of fiction.
You're not going to publishthis as a fiction book.
And he said to me Mr Walsh, youtry to tell me you think this
actually happened to you.
I said not only did it actuallyhappen, you're holding a record
of it.
This is precisely what occurred.
I asked questions and these arethe answers I was given.
He said well, okay, we'llpublish it as a non-fiction book
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because it's interesting stuff,fair enough, but it's not going
to find 500 readers.
I mean, people are going to buya book because the guy claims
that God is talking to himdirectly.
It's not going to happen, likeyou don't have to pope, or the
Archbishop of Canterbury or thehead of Lamar or the chief rabbi
.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Remind me what year this was 1993?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Okay, 1992?
Something like that?
Okay, so the book was finallypublished.
I recall the publication date,because it was so symmetrical it
was published in 5595.
Okay, but this conversationtook place about a year and a
half or two before that.
It takes a while to get a bookpublished.
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So, and he was right, by theway, the publisher was hit the
nail on the head.
The book did not find 500readers, it found 5 million.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I'm not bragging, just saying yeah, well, how long
, how long did that take?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well, I remember they called me back about six weeks
or seven weeks after the bookcame out and they said something
crazy is going on here.
We've already sold half amillion copies.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So here's another question I have for you.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I said to the publisher.
I said to the publisher wait aminute, are you kidding me?
Are you telling me you sold500,000 copies in six or seven
weeks?
He said I don't, we don't know.
The book is just taking off.
So what was happening was thatpeople were handing it to other
people or sharing it with theirrelatives, or you know people
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that they wanted and they saidyou got to read this book.
You got to read this book, andso people were buying it like
hotcakes.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So I'm curious did you also get the title name or
how did you come across thetitle?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh no, that was my experience.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I called it.
You just knew the title.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I called it Conversations with God from the
very beginning.
I said when I sent it to thepublisher hey, I'm having
conversations with God and thisis my copy, my handwritten notes
from my Conversations with God.
Yeah, so of course they calledthe book Conversations with God.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
God.
So of course, they called thebook Conversations with God.
Well, I greatly and I wanted tobecause I had this opportunity
I wanted to tell you how much Iappreciated that title.
I actually graduated just afterhigh school, just after you.
The book got published, and Ihad no clue about that book for
quite a while, and it actuallywasn't even until it had to have
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been, I don't really know,definitely in the two thousands
that I came across your book andI read it and I understood it
and I felt it and I read it likeI connected with it, but I I
didn't know what to make of itquite yet.
But as I have evolved throughthis process, the thing that I
appreciate the most about it isthat that was a bridge for me,
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because I had structures in mymind.
I grew up in the South and so Igrew up a Christian, right, I
would say, and so I'm veryfamiliar with church and the
term God and so forth, and sothat title was like, oh, that
sounds really cool, I'd beinterested in that, you know.
And then, on top of that, theway that you presented it or the
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way that it came through, notonly was it incredibly authentic
, but it surpassed any of thesuperficial human experiences
that I had had, even throughreligion, even through any kind
of church that had gone through.
It was like the conversationthat was in the book was more
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authentic than going on Sunday,if that makes sense, because
going on Sunday would involveinteracting with other people in
a specific way that wassocially acceptable, and all
that Whereas you're right in thebook and you're right at the
core of it.
So I appreciated that and forme it was a bridge that opened
the door to say, hey, this canhappen and it can happen this
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way.
But that doesn't mean that'sthe only way it can happen,
because what I saw in that bookI can see in other ways.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Where in the deep South did you live?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
North Florida.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Oh, because I wound up spending some time in
Spartanburg, South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh my, my oldest sister went to college there.
No kidding.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yes, okay, that's two people who know about
Spartanburg, south Carolina.
I was on the radio there.
I worked at a radio station,word, in Spartanburg, south
Carolina.
Yeah, so I know all about theDeep South and some of their
points of view, not only aboutGod but about people of
different skin color.
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I was having a really hard timegetting accustomed to what I
was hearing on the street and inrestaurants and so forth.
I remember going to a gasstation in Spartanburg Now we're
talking about 1963, notrecently, but still, yeah, it's
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1963 or 1965, but I'm inSpartanburg, south Carolina, and
the guy ahead of me was a blackman bringing his car in to get
gas and they told him he had togo around back.
They said no, we don't serveyou here.
There is a gas pump around theback if you want to get some gas
up there.
And I thought so he drovearound and I said to the guy,
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said to the guy at the gasstation, why?
Why did you give him any gas?
He said we don't.
We don't serve black people upfront.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's a true story from my life.
Oh no, I don't doubt that.
I grew up there.
I heard all kinds of stories.
I was really I.
Through the years, I'verecognized that I could not have
been born a second earlier totolerate similar things.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So yeah, anyway, that's my little side story.
Yeah, but here we are.
How can I serve you?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, I just.
I just would like to ask acouple of questions.
So one of the things that I'mreally curious about is this
path that I have taken for mehas led me into all different
kinds of energy healing and soforth, and your book is what
people would now commonly call,and I think there's a lot more
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accessibility for people outthere to understand what this is
, whereas years ago like evenhonestly, even in the 90s,
definitely, but even worsebefore that this idea of
channeling and what you didwould be considered something
called automatic writing, andit's just a way of connecting to
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source and you ask the questionand you get the answer.
Have you what is?
Have you experienced otherpeople who channel in different
ways?
What?
What is your thought process onthat?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
First of all, I tell people I did not channel.
Channeling is a term that'sunderstood to mean, at least as
the word is used in thevernacular.
Most people, when they talkabout channeling, they talk
about a person whose body was,whose body has been taken over
temporarily by some other being,who is then speaking through
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that.
That's what most people meanwhen they say channeling, and
that's not at all what happenedto me.
It's also not automatic writing.
I didn't put my pen to paperand all of a sudden it was just
moving on its own.
Yeah, absolutely so.
It wasn't channeling orautomatic writing any more than,
dare I say it, any more thanMatthew, mark, luke and John
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would be called channelers.
Yeah, or that they wereinvolved with automatic writing.
They simply all that Matthew,mark Luke and John did was write
down what they heard, what theywere told.
They were just simply, in asense, taking dictation.
Yeah, and that's all I did.
So when people ask me how wouldI describe my experience, I say
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it's very much like takingdictation.
I would simply ask a questionand write down the answer that I
was hearing in my mind.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But it wasn't automatic writing and it wasn't
channeling yeah, well, I thinkthat's a, that's a common
understanding of the wordchanneling.
I do think that um, educationabout what channeling really is
is actually expanding andthere's getting, there's more
information out there wonderful.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I'm glad to know that yeah, but it's.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But channeling as a whole, just as a generic term,
is not really only what you weredescribing there.
That is a form of channeling,but it's not the only way you
can do it, and so that is one ofthe methods is to literally you
turn around and you don'tphysically turn around.
You weren't turning aroundlooking behind you to get the
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answer right, you were askingthe question and then you were
getting the answer, and that isa.
That is a method of ofchanneling information.
But all channeling is referringto is really just connecting to
source, right, connecting togod, as some people call it,
right so if that's the newdefinition of channeling, fair
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enough.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's not what channeling meant when I was your
age.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Oh, definitely not, I'm sure.
Yeah.
So what has been your biggesttakeaway from all of this
experience since you startedgetting the conversations with
God down on paper?
What has been the biggest shiftfor you, and where do you see
humanity, like the humanity,actually shifting as a whole?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
well, the biggest shift for me by the way, I'm
going to get a bumper stickermade next week shift happens,
yeah, the biggest shift for mewas in my understanding of who I
am, why I'm here, what I'mdoing on the planet, what is the
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point of this physicalexperience that we call life.
When that shift took place,when I came to understand, oh,
I'm not this.
Oh, I get it, this is not who Iam, this is just simply
something I have.
Yeah, and this is not even whoI am.
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I'm not even in my mind.
This is also something I have.
These are pieces of equipment,mm-hmm, they're tools that are
being used by who I really am.
Yeah, and so I've come tounderstand that who I really am
is a spiritual entity.
I'm a spiritual being that somepeople call a soul.
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I'm a soul with a body and amind.
I'm a soul with a body and amind.
But the shift that occurred inmy life was for the first 25
years of my adult life, Ifocused all of my attention on
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how I could help this and thisget ahead, get ahead in the
world.
You know, I wanted you know thecultural story I grew up in
cultural agenda that when I was18 years old was get the car,
get the girl.
Get the job.
Get the better car.
Get the better job.
Get the better girl.
Get the spouse.
Get the kids.
Get the house.
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Get the better house, get thebetter spouse.
Get the grandkids.
Get the office in the cornerwith your name on the door, get
the building on the corner withyour name on the building, and
then, ultimately, get the grayhair.
Get the retirement watch.
Get the cruise tickets.
Get the illness and get thehell out.
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Yeah, tickets, get the illnessand get the hell out.
And that was the agenda that myculture had placed in front of
me everywhere I looked, that wasbasically the cultural story in
one form or another.
But when I received theinformation that I received in
conversation with God no, neil,your life has nothing to do with
you.
Your life is about everyonewhose life you touch and the way
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in which you touch it.
And when you understand that,my son, you will realize that,
in the universal sense, yourlife is about you.
For an elegant reason, there'sonly one of us in the room.
There's nobody else here, butanother version of you that
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looks a little different.
So when I understood that youknow what you do for another,
you do for yourself, and whatyou fail to do for another, you
fail to do for yourself, Ithought, but it seems like I've
heard that somewhere before.
I wonder where.
Something like that?
Didn't this guy say that about2,000 years ago Do unto others
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as you would have it done untoyou.
That was the golden rule.
Then I was told about theplatinum rule Platinum being
even more valuable than gold.
So the golden rule.
Then I was told about theplatinum rule Platinum being
even more valuable than gold.
So the golden rule do untoothers as you would have it done
unto you has now become in mymind the platinum rule Do unto
others as they would have itdone unto them, which changed
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everything in my agenda.
It changed how I treated allpeople of all races, of all
religions, of all sexualorientations, of all income
levels.
I started treating other peopleas if they were another version
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of me and, of course, what I wastold that I am is, dare I say
it, an individuation of divinity.
Because I said to God who am I?
What am I?
I don't understand what's goingon.
What am I?
God said sweetheart, you're anindividuation of divinity.
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You say well then, what am Idoing here?
Why am I in the physical world?
Why am I not in heaven?
God said you are in heaven.
You're just not treating it asif it were heaven and you've
created your own personal hell,as have billions of other people
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who don't understand who theyare and why they're here.
And I said well then, why am Ihere?
Why am I here?
God said you're there to servethe agenda of your soul, which
is to announce and declare,express and fulfill, become and
experience, through thedemonstration thereof, who you
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really are.
But be careful.
If you do that, you will changethe world that you touch and
people might even make you wrongfor it.
They might even crucify you intheir own way.
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So be very careful.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So how did you take that?
Be careful, what did you dowith that?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I moved forward with great care.
I was careful I didn't walkdown the street.
I didn't.
I didn't walk down the streetdeclaring myself to be an
individual expression of god.
I didn't, you know.
I was very careful, you know.
And when I did explain what Iunderstood to be true about
myself and about all of us, Ialways made that very clear.
I said when the book becamewidely read, I was of course
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invited to give talks, andbefore I knew it again, I'm not
bragging, just saying but Iwound up getting invited to talk
everywhere, from Buenos Airesto Germany.
I was talking in France.
I was invited to Russia.
I was talking in Moscow, inJapan, in China.
The Chinese government invitedme to come and give talks there.
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I was talking all over the world.
I was talking all over theworld and I was saying to people
let's get very clear All of usare individual expressions of
the divine and all of us arehaving our own conversations
with God.
We're simply calling itsomething else.
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Calling it a Women's intuition,yeah, channeling.
Or a psychic hit, yeah, or anepiphany.
I had an epiphany, you know, asudden insight.
Whatever you want to use,whatever words you want to use,
in order to avoid saying Godtold me this because you don't
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want to be ridiculed andmarginalized.
Yes, but I was willing tosuffer marginalization and
ridicule because I wasn't goingto call my experience something
other than what it was.
It was a conversation with God.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So, since you've been in this for quite a while, so
in our human perspective, quitea while where do you see that
humanity has made a shifttowards this?
Um newer, I guess, maybe it'snewer I don't know that it is
(31:28):
but um a more collectiveunderstanding of this idea, this
idea that you're presenting,which, in my understanding, when
I, when I understood it, I waslike oh, it's always been there
in the christian world, it'scalled the Holy Spirit.
They just don't emphasize thatpart, they emphasize other parts
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.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Sadly, many people in the Christian world far too
many from my observation observean idea that says If you're a
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practicing Muslim or apracticing Jew or a practicing
Hindu or a practicing Buddhist,you're going to hell.
Sorry to have to tell you,because God doesn't really care
how good a person you are, howpatient, how understanding, how
compassionate, how forgiving youare, doesn't matter to God.
Either come through thisdoorway or you don't come at all
.
It's very simple.
So you'd better show up Sundayfor our service or you're going
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to be in BT.
Big trouble.
And I was raised as a Catholicand in the Catholic Church we
were told that it was a mortalsin to miss Mass on Sunday.
Yeah, if you miss Mass withouta good excuse, yeah, fair enough
.
If you're caring for a sickparent or you're an adult who
has to work on Sunday to supportyour family, fair enough.
(33:04):
But if you just decide becausea friend you haven't seen in 23
years shows up on your doorstepin a big surprise and says let's
go have brunch, I can't believe.
I haven't seen you in 23 years.
Yeah, let's go have brunch.
And you miss Mass that Sunday,the first Sunday of your life
that you didn't go to Mass.
The priest said to me well,because I asked the priest about
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this and he said well, if youconfess your sins and get
absolution, you're okay, but ifyou don't, if you die before you
confess that sin, you would begoing to hell.
I said, father, let meunderstand.
Are you saying I would be sentto everlasting damnation for
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missing a 45 minute mass onesunday in my life?
He said well, you know, it'sone of the 10 commandments keep
the holy day, keep you know.
I said wow, what an interestinggod we have.
What an interesting god whosays, in other religions, for
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instance, that you must coveryour hair and cover your entire
body, but only if you're afemale, and you can only allow a
certain slit in front of yourgarment so you can see where
you're walking.
Oh, and, by the way, speakingof walking, you may not leave
your house without being in thecompany of a male relative.
These are the commands of thisreligion.
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This is the God that we believein.
Or the God of another religionwho says you know, there's a
certain kind of meat you can'teat.
You can't eat this particularkind of meat called pork.
You're in trouble with God.
Let me see if I understand this.
God cares what you wear andwhat you eat.
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I mean, please, really, this isthe highest power in the
universe.
Who's concerned with JohnSchwarzkopper in Toledo, ohio,
had for breakfast on Friday?
I mean, come on, but billionsand billions of people believe
(35:14):
in that particular deity.
So when I wrote you know inConversations with God what I
was told you know I punish noone.
I do not judge, I do notcondemn and I certainly do not
(35:37):
punish.
My love is pure love that needs, wants, expects, requires and
demands nothing in return.
But this is hard for you tounderstand, neil, because your
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species, you can't even love theperson on the pillow next to
you in that way.
You can't honestly say to theperson next to you lying right
there in bed with you I don'trequire or need or expect or
hope for or demand anything fromyou whatsoever.
So you cannot imagine a God wholoves you in that way.
(36:25):
But once you decide that maybethere's something that you're
not clear about, maybe there'smore to this thing you call God
than you have come to know,maybe there's some data missing,
yeah.
When you come to know Maybethere's some data missing, yeah.
When you come to thatunderstanding and decide what
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the missing data could or mightbe it might change your entire
experience of life.
You might even love the personon the pillow next to you purely
.
You might even love the personon the pillow next to you purely
, without requiring anything inreturn, for the first time in
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your life.
Wouldn't that be sweet.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I think that books like yours have really laid the
groundwork for many people toopen up to those ideas much
earlier than, for example, inthe 40s or the 60s, when that
kind of book wasn't available orit wasn't mass marketed.
(37:38):
Oh it never had even beenpublished.
Yeah right, exactly, would havenever been published.
But today we're experiencing Imean, I have two children and to
listen to them, they skip overa lot of the things that you
know I had to deal with similar,similarly to you know.
There's probably some thingsthat I understood.
I mean, I totally resonate withwhat you're saying there and I
(38:02):
had friends growing up who weredifferent races, different
religions and so forth, and sowhen I I wasn't, I wasn't raised
Catholic, so it wasn't likeevery Sunday, it just happened,
however, it happened.
And so when I heard things likethat you know you didn't come to
church on Sunday or you didn't,you're not wearing the right
clothes or whatever it is, andI'm friends with and love these
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people that I know who don'tabide by that I couldn't.
That could never.
I could never rectify that inmy mind, even though I didn't
know what to say.
I didn't have any other optionto say okay, well, I guess I'm
not Christian.
Now I can say that, because Idon't believe that one belief
structure because that's what Iunderstand it to be is you have
(38:49):
to believe that this is the onlyway, or at least that's what
the way it was presented to me.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
You know, I was taught as a child to even be
embarrassed of my own body.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember whenI was about 17,.
I did something very daringbecause I was about 18.
I did something very daring.
I actually went to a nude beach.
Oh, there was one in SouthernCalifornia.
You don't find them in everycommunity, but there was one
(39:15):
just near San Diego.
It was a nude beach and I went.
I just wanted to see what thatwas all about.
Yeah, there were all thesenaked people running around,
swimming and lying on the sandand enjoying the sun, and I
thought I can't believe it.
Oh my God, I can't believethere are 165 naked people here,
(39:37):
right out here in the open onthe beach.
It was all I could do to take myclothes off, because I'd never
done that before in my life.
I allowed myself to be seen byanybody, except maybe a sexual
partner, and I didn't have manyof those when I was 18.
So it's kind of like you know,wow, we're supposed to even be
(40:01):
embarrassed about our body, andembarrassed is not the same as
being modest.
Modest is one thing,embarrassed is something else
entirely different.
Yes, to another degree.
So you know, golly, gee, Ithink I've been asking my
lecture audiences for the past30 years do you think it's
(40:23):
possible, just possible, thatthere's something we don't fully
understand here about God,about life and about each other,
the understanding of whichwould change everything?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, Well, even just the concept that we are all one
usually when people really getthat on an energetic level, it
shifts everything.
Every way they speak, everyword they speak everything.
Compassion just goes throughthe roof.
And contentment too.
I mean that's, that's a hugething, is a contentment.
(41:05):
So, speaking of my experiencespeaking of the contentment, I'm
curious what was what has beenyour journey with Um?
So what you're describing, whatwe were just talking about, is
what a lot of people would referto nowadays as the 3d life,
which involves the beliefsystems of culture, Okay, and
(41:26):
which that includes the granderculture, but also our family
dynamic or the close peoplearound us, which you have done
so eloquently in those books.
You ask the questions that helpyou to release those.
Then things begin to shift.
But because we're people whoare between this 3D belief
(41:49):
structure and connected tospirit like this, we tend to
waver back and forth, we tend togo back oh, but I have this
belief.
That one's true.
I released all the other ones,but this one's still true.
And so what we find, or what Ihave found, is that the 3D
representation of our life, thephysical manifestation of our
(42:11):
life, sometimes is delayed fromwhat it could be if you only
approach it from a spirituallevel.
So maybe share with theaudience.
How did your 3D life shift whenyou made these shifts, when you
started to understand theseconcepts?
What happened in your 3D life?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
First of all, all the stress and strain evaporated
from my incessant focus onbigger, better, more.
I need to get a bigger house, abetter car, you know more of
this.
I need to make sure I need towork for my financial security.
I need to put together aretirement plan.
(42:55):
I need to make sure everybody'staken care of blah blah, blah
retirement plan.
I need to make sure everybody'staken care of blah, blah, blah.
So that was the first thing thatchanged was, oh, I stopped
paying most of my attention tothose matters.
I'm not saying I didn't pay anyattention to it, because as a
practical person I did, but theywere way down on my priority
(43:17):
list.
What became first on mypriority list, and you know, at
the top of that list, was notwhat am I doing, but how am I
being.
I realized you know what Godsaid to me.
She said she said, neil, you'renot a human doing, you're a
(43:37):
human being.
So let me share with you the be, do have paradigm.
And she did.
And he told me all about how Ihad everything in my life wrong
in the sense that it wasinaccurate, it wasn't working.
I thought that life worked outhave do be when I had this, then
(43:58):
I can do this, then I can bethis.
You know, like, when I haveenough money, as an example,
when I have enough money, I cando the thing called buy a house
and I can be the thing calledsafe and secure in my own home.
You know, when I have enoughgood grades, I can do the thing
(44:20):
called graduate from college andI can be the thing called ready
for a career.
And you know, whatever it was ahave-do-be paradigm, god said
no, it's the other way around Be, do, have.
Start off being what it is thatyou wish to be, and it was a
(44:40):
whole brand new way for me oflooking at life.
Start off being what it is thatyou wish to be, and that was a
whole brand new way for me oflooking at life.
I said well, I said, and I evensaid to God well, I don't
understand.
Like, for instance, if I wantto be abundant, how can I be
abundant if I'm jobless and Idon't have any income?
God said oh, I see you seekabundance is dollars and cents.
(45:01):
I see you seek abundance, it'sdollars and cents.
I see the challenge.
But do your both hands work?
Yes, yes, yes, ma'am, does yourbody work?
Yes, sir, does your mind work?
I think it does, I see.
So what's the problem?
You are abundant.
(45:23):
Do you want to know how manypeople in the world do not have
all those functions?
Kneel down in gratitude foryour abundance and then be
abundant.
I said this all sounds very nice, god, you know it's all very
(45:44):
sweet, but frankly, I'm talkingto God like I'm talking to a
friend.
I said, frankly, it sounds abit airy-fairy, a little bit
airy-fairy.
You know how can I get it downto earth?
God said if you really seeyourself as abundant, share your
abundance with others, evenwhat little money you have.
(46:06):
If you only had $3 in yourpocket.
When you pass the guy on thestreet sitting up against a
building with a little basket infront of him, with a cardboard
sign in the basket that saysanything helps, give him one of
your three dollars.
Or if you really want to bedaring, give him all three and
(46:31):
watch how you feel when you walkaway.
Whether you feel abundant orlack, you will feel abundance
and that feeling will beprojected from you out into the
world and produce the outcomethat you are feeling.
(46:53):
My son, you just learned thefirst step in manifestation, and
so those are some of the waysin which my life changed
dramatically so I understand youhave a relatively new book.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Would you like to share a little bit about that?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
sure, I have a book called God Talk, which is about
how people can have their ownconversations with God.
I didn't write it, you know,just out of the blue.
I got a call, a telephone call,which rarely happens, by the
way, in the publishing business,but in this case the publisher
called me.
Most writers who have publishedbooks write a book and then
(47:37):
they try to find a publisher.
Maybe they have a literaryagent who shops it and then they
try to find a publisher.
Maybe they have a literaryagent who shops it around.
They try to find a publisher.
It's very rare for a publisherto call a person and say would
you write a book for us?
But I got a call and somepublisher said would you be
willing to write a book?
I said, what about?
Would you write a book and tellpeople how they can also have
(48:00):
their own conversation with God?
I said, sure, I'd be happy to.
So I wrote a book and theytitled it God Talk.
And the book explains how Iwent about my own conversation
with God and even outlined alittle process.
You know a little six-stepapproach that people might use
(48:21):
to have their own interactionwith the divine.
And then they put the book out.
They put an internet invitationto people around the world
saying if you feel that you'vealso had an intervention with
the divine, send us your story.
And they called me, and andsaid we're getting hundreds and
hundreds of emails from people.
So they took the seven or eightbest of those stories and also
(48:45):
included it in the book so thatpeople wouldn't think that, oh,
there's this one guy out therein Oregon.
They finally got the idea thatoh, there are many, many, many,
many people all over the planetwho experienced interventions,
direct interactions with thedivine.
So they put those stories inthe book as well and they titled
(49:06):
the book God Talk.
I'm happy that they published it, and my other most recent book
is a book called the GodSolution, in which I talk about
how a person could be an ideahero and place before humanity
ideas that they know in advancemost people will disagree with,
maybe even ridicule them for,but they can be an idea hero,
(49:30):
like Galileo was an idea hero.
He said the earth revolvedaround the sun and of course,
the church taught that the sunrevolved around the earth at
that time and they condemned him, and it took them 363 years to
admit that they were wrong.
The church said, oh, I guess wehad it wrong.
Galileo was right, after all,back there in 1629.
(49:54):
So you know, the book God'sSolution helps people to
understand how they can manifesttheir reality.
By the way, that particular bookI'm happy to make available to
anyone who asks for it in adigital form.
They simply drop me a notesaying, neil, send me a digital
copy of the God's Solution at nocost.
(50:16):
And I said, ok, I do, I will.
So if they drop me a note, youcouldn't forget my email address
.
If you tried, neil, atneildonaldwalshcom and ask for
the God Solution and I'll sendyou by return email a digital
copy of the author's manuscriptof that book, because I want
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everybody to embrace the God'ssolution.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Well, there must have been some serious seeds planted
with some of the work that youdid, because we have shifted a
lot as a community, I think evenworldwide.
I just just before we met, Iwas chatting with somebody in
South Africa.
Right Like we're, we're allconnecting to each other, and it
(51:05):
reminds me of the stories ofthe Navajo Indians here, who
I've heard somebody talk aboutand I'm not a Native American,
so I don't I don't know thisfirsthand Native American, so I
don't know this firsthand.
But this makes a lot of sensethat the smoke signals that they
were sending up was a signal toconnect and when they both
(51:29):
connected they could communicate.
And so I think that your bookshave helped to lay the
groundwork, break some of thoseparadigms and release them and
allow so many people to be ableto do that.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I think so.
I don't want to brag about it,but I do think it's a practical
matter that the books there arenine Conversations with God,
dialogue books and I thinkfrankly, they did kick open the
door and gave people permissionto realize that they were also
having those experiences and nowwe can acknowledge it and
(52:04):
embrace it and call it part ofour own.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Well, you know, I just want to add one thing here.
I totally agree with you.
There have been many otherbooks as I grow more into this
field, and I recognize there arelots of other books and there
are many books that are old.
But what, again, I found to bereally unique and extremely
helpful about yours is that itspoke in a language that so many
people understand and canresonate with, which is I'm
(52:31):
speaking to God.
Maybe you, in the book, didn'tspeak to God in the way that
they thought they were supposedto speak to God, but you did it
and you consistently got it.
And, on top of that, themessages that come through
anybody who's in this fieldknows when they're connecting to
truth, when they're connectingto source, because the messages
(52:54):
are consistent.
They're consistent witheverything you're saying here,
and it's all about love, right,like?
There is no, there's nopunishment of some fabrication
by human, and so when you seethat across the board, it's just
, I mean, it's obvious, it'sjust very obvious when that
comes through, and so Ipersonally thank you, and I'm
sure a million and a half otherpeople do too, but thank you for
(53:18):
committing to that and sharingit with everybody and listening
to that voice.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Thank you, blair.
Those are kind words to say andI'm only humbly grateful that
if something I've done in mylife, that I've been allowed to
do, has touched other people ina way that they feel has been
beneficial.
Thank you for saying that to me.
You're welcome, thank you.
Thank you for inviting me onthe program.
(53:44):
I've enjoyed being here withyou.
I hope it has served youragenda.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Oh, definitely, yeah, Thank you so much.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode of mystical and infamous
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
About 35 years ago or so, 33 or 34 years ago, I was
facing a horrible moment in mylife.
Blair, all kidding aside, I hadbeen hit by what I call the
triple whammy I lost myrelationship.
(01:05):
I lost my relationship, I lostmy job and I lost my health, all
within the same 10-day period.
My wife and I, you know itwasn't an angry departure, we
just agreed it wasn't working.
So we came to an agreeabledecision just to part company.
(01:32):
So it wasn't filled with anger,but it was sad for me because
we had two children and I didn'treally want the relationship to
end.
But I thought okay, I can moveforward.
And, blair, five days later Iwas laid off from my job.
The corporation I worked forwas downsizing and I had the
(01:56):
least amount of seniority.
I was the last person in, firstperson out.
But you know, my boss said wehate to lose you because you're
really, really good at what youdo.
So we're going to give you atleast.
At least we're going to giveyou a really glowing letter of
recommendation that you can taketo other employers, which I
thought, okay, fair enough.
So now I'm driving to aninterview for a new job.
(02:19):
I'm certain I'm going to get itbecause I've got all the
qualifications and I'm holdingthis glowing letter of
recommendation, so you knowthey're going to hire me.
I never got there.
An older gentleman in his carmade a left turn in front of my
car as I was driving down theroad, smashed right into my car.
He misjudged the distancebetween our two cars and he
(02:44):
totaled my car.
It was just an accordion ofnothing but mashed up metal and
I broke my neck in the caraccident.
Of course they rushed me to thehospital and I didn't have a
hairline fracture.
I can still remember the wordson the report.
I can still remember the wordson the report.
(03:04):
It said I had suffered athree-quarter inch avulsion
fracture of the seventh cervicalvertebrae posteriorly, in other
words.
Seventh vertebrae, or theseventh, one, the seventh
vertical vertebrae, posteriorlyto my neck.
But it was a break in my necklarge enough to put a pencil
through.
We're not talking about ahairline fracture Now.
(03:28):
You know, when I woke up in theemergency room there was a
doctor leaning over my table andhe said young man, you have no
right to be here.
So I've seen this kind ofaccident before and people who
suffered this series of aninjury to the neck, to the
spinal cord, very often diebecause of spinal cord
(03:52):
complications and if they don'tdie, at the very least they're
paralyzed from the neck down.
You have escaped both outcomes.
He looked at me and he saidwhat do you intend to do with
the rest of your life?
Because you've been given agreat gift.
I never thought about it inthat way.
(04:16):
But now I finally found anapartment which I really, you
know, wasn't happy about havingto live in, but it was just a
small little one-room studio.
It's a temporary location, butI couldn't pay the rent, blair,
I couldn't pay the rent.
I had no job and nobody wouldhire me.
Now I was going to jobinterviews, but now, because I'm
(04:39):
wearing this, I had atherapeutic collar that I'm
wearing.
They call it in the business,they call it a Philadelphia
collar.
You can look it up online.
It's a device, it's a plasticcollar that holds up your head.
And the doctor said you may nottake this collar off.
I don't care what you're doing.
Yeah, even if you're sleepingor taking a shower, you will not
(04:59):
take this collar off becauseit's holding your head up,
because right now we have towait until your neck fuses.
You know again sufficiently tohold up your head, so nobody
will hire me.
Because finally, after seveninterviews, one guy said to me
mr walsh, you know, I got to behonest with you.
We'd hire you in 30 secondswith your qualifications if you
(05:20):
weren't wearing that therapeuticdevice around your neck, but
with that kind of injury.
If you're still not healed.
One wrong move on the job withus and we're paying your medical
bills for the next 14 years.
We can't do it.
Come back to us when you'refully healed so nobody would
hire me me.
(05:50):
Finally, my landlord said to meafter about three months of
this Mr Walsh, we can't continueto carry you this way.
We have to ask you to leave.
And I was evicted from myapartment.
Blair, I wound up living on thesidewalk.
I thought, okay, I can do thisfor a couple of bad weeks or a
month until I find something.
I was out there for a year ofmy life, one year living on the
(06:16):
street.
Try it sometime.
Try it.
Just try it for a weekend.
Go out for a weekend without anickel in your pocket and with
only the clothes on your backand tell me on Monday morning
how you did.
And do that.
For a year which I experienced Ifinally found a little
(06:37):
part-time job somewhere, enoughto pay the rent on a small
little place and I woke up.
A small little place.
And I woke up in my littleplace one morning after being
there about three weeks, just soangry with God, because you
know I'd been a good person inmy life.
I didn't obey all the rules,fair enough.
(06:59):
But I was a nice person.
I didn't try to cheat anybodyor hurt anybody and I thought,
okay, what have I done todeserve a life of such endless
struggle?
One thing after the other.
Somebody tell me the rules,I'll play.
Just give me the rule book.
How does this work?
And I saw a tablet on thecoffee table in front of me.
(07:22):
It was a legal pad that I waswriting my lists on, lists of
things I wanted to get.
So I wrote an angry letter toGod.
Dear God, tell me what I don'tunderstand here.
There's clearly something Idon't understand and I was
really angry.
I'm writing an angry letter.
Of course, it's justquasi-therapeutic device.
(07:46):
I didn't obviously expect tohear back, but, blair, I began
hearing what I call a voicelessvoice.
You know, it's like the soundof one's own thoughts, but I
began hearing messages in mymind.
You know, relax, it's going tobe all okay.
(08:08):
And I'm thinking, yeah, I'dsure as hell like to know the
answers to my questions.
And the voice said you are sureas hell about a lot of things,
but wouldn't you rather be sureas heaven?
You are sure as hell about alot of things, but wouldn't you
rather be sure as heaven?
And I'm writing, okay, what'sthat supposed to mean?
(08:31):
I realize I'm just reallytalking to myself, basically.
But then I began receivinganswers Blair to every question
I asked, and I began askingother questions because the
process was astonishing me.
So I ultimately asked questions, really about everything Life,
(08:52):
white livelihood, sexuality,human relationships, health,
diet.
I asked questions aboutparenting, about really
everything, and I receivedexcuse me, but in my opinion,
what were to me incredibleanswers to every question I
asked.
I thought this is unbelievable.
(09:14):
What's going on?
This went on for weeks, severalweeks.
Every morning I would wake upat 4.30 in the morning, or so
4.23 in the morning, and I wouldjust wake up at 4.30 in the
morning, or so 4.23 in themorning, and I would just wake
up for no apparent reason.
So I thought, okay, fair enough, whatever's going on wants me
to continue.
So I'd go back to my legal pad,you know, and I was still going
(09:38):
to my part-time job, which wasokay.
At least I could afford mylittle flat.
Couldn't afford much else, butI could at least afford to be
off the street.
Oh, and you know what was niftyabout my little flat.
It actually had a bathroom.
You don't think about thingsuntil you're on the street for a
(10:00):
year.
You have to sneak intorestaurants or try to find a
public toilet someplace Not aneasy thing to do.
So you go into a restaurant andthe manager would come up to
you and say oh, come on, come on, come on, don't come in here,
don't come in here.
I said, please, I won't botheranybody, I won't talk to any
(10:21):
customers, I just need to usethe bathroom.
Finally, one manager of aMcDonald's looked at me and he
said okay, fair enough, you cancome in here whenever you need
to, just don't panhandle thecustomers.
I said it's a deal.
And we shook hands yeah, and Ihad a place to go to the
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bathroom.
Yeah, for the last half of mytime on the road.
So that's my long story.
But then I began, as I said,receiving these at the very
least, I would call theminteresting answers to the
questions that I was asking.
And at one point, this voice inmy mind said to me Neil, you're
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going to make of this a bookand it will be read, accessed by
many people.
And I thought to myself that'snot going to happen.
Nobody's going to.
For one thing nobody's going topublish a book because a guy
says, you know, he's having aconversation with God, it's not
going to happen.
Something I could just see Inmy mind's eye.
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I was thinking I could just seethe publisher rushing out to
the workroom floor saying to allof his editors hold the presses
.
I got a guy here who's talkingto God.
It's not going to happen.
Nobody's going to do that.
So you know what I did.
I went to a Xerox place where Icould collect 12 cents in those
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days 10 or 12 cents a page andI copied my handwritten notes
and sent them off to a couple ofpublishers Blair.
Four or five weeks later myphone rang and it was a guy who
said you know, I'm from HamptonRoads Publishing Company.
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We'd like to publish your book.
I said are you kidding me?
You're going to publish myhandwritten notes.
He said well, you know, mypeople read it.
They think it's a wonderfulbook of fiction that people
really relate to.
I said whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa.
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Wait a minute, this is not abook of fiction.
You're not going to publishthis as a fiction book.
And he said to me Mr Walsh, youtry to tell me you think this
actually happened to you.
I said not only did it actuallyhappen, you're holding a record
of it.
This is precisely what occurred.
I asked questions and these arethe answers I was given.
He said well, okay, we'llpublish it as a non-fiction book
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because it's interesting stuff,fair enough, but it's not going
to find 500 readers.
I mean, people are going to buya book because the guy claims
that God is talking to himdirectly.
It's not going to happen, likeyou don't have to pope, or the
Archbishop of Canterbury or thehead of Lamar or the chief rabbi
.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Remind me what year this was 1993?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Okay, 1992?
Something like that?
Okay, so the book was finallypublished.
I recall the publication date,because it was so symmetrical it
was published in 5595.
Okay, but this conversationtook place about a year and a
half or two before that.
It takes a while to get a bookpublished.
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So, and he was right, by theway, the publisher was hit the
nail on the head.
The book did not find 500readers, it found 5 million.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I'm not bragging, just saying yeah, well, how long
, how long did that take?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well, I remember they called me back about six weeks
or seven weeks after the bookcame out and they said something
crazy is going on here.
We've already sold half amillion copies.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So here's another question I have for you.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I said to the publisher.
I said to the publisher wait aminute, are you kidding me?
Are you telling me you sold500,000 copies in six or seven
weeks?
He said I don't, we don't know.
The book is just taking off.
So what was happening was thatpeople were handing it to other
people or sharing it with theirrelatives, or you know people
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that they wanted and they saidyou got to read this book.
You got to read this book, andso people were buying it like
hotcakes.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So I'm curious did you also get the title name or
how did you come across thetitle?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh no, that was my experience.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I called it.
You just knew the title.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I called it Conversations with God from the
very beginning.
I said when I sent it to thepublisher hey, I'm having
conversations with God and thisis my copy, my handwritten notes
from my Conversations with God.
Yeah, so of course they calledthe book Conversations with God.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
God.
So of course, they called thebook Conversations with God.
Well, I greatly and I wanted tobecause I had this opportunity
I wanted to tell you how much Iappreciated that title.
I actually graduated just afterhigh school, just after you.
The book got published, and Ihad no clue about that book for
quite a while, and it actuallywasn't even until it had to have
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been, I don't really know,definitely in the two thousands
that I came across your book andI read it and I understood it
and I felt it and I read it likeI connected with it, but I I
didn't know what to make of itquite yet.
But as I have evolved throughthis process, the thing that I
appreciate the most about it isthat that was a bridge for me,
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because I had structures in mymind.
I grew up in the South and so Igrew up a Christian, right, I
would say, and so I'm veryfamiliar with church and the
term God and so forth, and sothat title was like, oh, that
sounds really cool, I'd beinterested in that, you know.
And then, on top of that, theway that you presented it or the
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way that it came through, notonly was it incredibly authentic
, but it surpassed any of thesuperficial human experiences
that I had had, even throughreligion, even through any kind
of church that had gone through.
It was like the conversationthat was in the book was more
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authentic than going on Sunday,if that makes sense, because
going on Sunday would involveinteracting with other people in
a specific way that wassocially acceptable, and all
that Whereas you're right in thebook and you're right at the
core of it.
So I appreciated that and forme it was a bridge that opened
the door to say, hey, this canhappen and it can happen this
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way.
But that doesn't mean that'sthe only way it can happen,
because what I saw in that bookI can see in other ways.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Where in the deep South did you live?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
North Florida.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Oh, because I wound up spending some time in
Spartanburg, South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh my, my oldest sister went to college there.
No kidding.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yes, okay, that's two people who know about
Spartanburg, south Carolina.
I was on the radio there.
I worked at a radio station,word, in Spartanburg, south
Carolina.
Yeah, so I know all about theDeep South and some of their
points of view, not only aboutGod but about people of
different skin color.
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I was having a really hard timegetting accustomed to what I
was hearing on the street and inrestaurants and so forth.
I remember going to a gasstation in Spartanburg Now we're
talking about 1963, notrecently, but still, yeah, it's
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1963 or 1965, but I'm inSpartanburg, south Carolina, and
the guy ahead of me was a blackman bringing his car in to get
gas and they told him he had togo around back.
They said no, we don't serveyou here.
There is a gas pump around theback if you want to get some gas
up there.
And I thought so he drovearound and I said to the guy,
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said to the guy at the gasstation, why?
Why did you give him any gas?
He said we don't.
We don't serve black people upfront.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's a true story from my life.
Oh no, I don't doubt that.
I grew up there.
I heard all kinds of stories.
I was really I.
Through the years, I'verecognized that I could not have
been born a second earlier totolerate similar things.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So yeah, anyway, that's my little side story.
Yeah, but here we are.
How can I serve you?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, I just.
I just would like to ask acouple of questions.
So one of the things that I'mreally curious about is this
path that I have taken for mehas led me into all different
kinds of energy healing and soforth, and your book is what
people would now commonly call,and I think there's a lot more
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accessibility for people outthere to understand what this is
, whereas years ago like evenhonestly, even in the 90s,
definitely, but even worsebefore that this idea of
channeling and what you didwould be considered something
called automatic writing, andit's just a way of connecting to
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source and you ask the questionand you get the answer.
Have you what is?
Have you experienced otherpeople who channel in different
ways?
What?
What is your thought process onthat?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
First of all, I tell people I did not channel.
Channeling is a term that'sunderstood to mean, at least as
the word is used in thevernacular.
Most people, when they talkabout channeling, they talk
about a person whose body was,whose body has been taken over
temporarily by some other being,who is then speaking through
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that.
That's what most people meanwhen they say channeling, and
that's not at all what happenedto me.
It's also not automatic writing.
I didn't put my pen to paperand all of a sudden it was just
moving on its own.
Yeah, absolutely so.
It wasn't channeling orautomatic writing any more than,
dare I say it, any more thanMatthew, mark, luke and John
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would be called channelers.
Yeah, or that they wereinvolved with automatic writing.
They simply all that Matthew,mark Luke and John did was write
down what they heard, what theywere told.
They were just simply, in asense, taking dictation.
Yeah, and that's all I did.
So when people ask me how wouldI describe my experience, I say
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it's very much like takingdictation.
I would simply ask a questionand write down the answer that I
was hearing in my mind.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But it wasn't automatic writing and it wasn't
channeling yeah, well, I thinkthat's a, that's a common
understanding of the wordchanneling.
I do think that um, educationabout what channeling really is
is actually expanding andthere's getting, there's more
information out there wonderful.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I'm glad to know that yeah, but it's.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But channeling as a whole, just as a generic term,
is not really only what you weredescribing there.
That is a form of channeling,but it's not the only way you
can do it, and so that is one ofthe methods is to literally you
turn around and you don'tphysically turn around.
You weren't turning aroundlooking behind you to get the
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answer right, you were askingthe question and then you were
getting the answer, and that isa.
That is a method of ofchanneling information.
But all channeling is referringto is really just connecting to
source, right, connecting togod, as some people call it,
right so if that's the newdefinition of channeling, fair
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enough.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's not what channeling meant when I was your
age.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Oh, definitely not, I'm sure.
Yeah.
So what has been your biggesttakeaway from all of this
experience since you startedgetting the conversations with
God down on paper?
What has been the biggest shiftfor you, and where do you see
humanity, like the humanity,actually shifting as a whole?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
well, the biggest shift for me by the way, I'm
going to get a bumper stickermade next week shift happens,
yeah, the biggest shift for mewas in my understanding of who I
am, why I'm here, what I'mdoing on the planet, what is the
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point of this physicalexperience that we call life.
When that shift took place,when I came to understand, oh,
I'm not this.
Oh, I get it, this is not who Iam, this is just simply
something I have.
Yeah, and this is not even whoI am.
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I'm not even in my mind.
This is also something I have.
These are pieces of equipment,mm-hmm, they're tools that are
being used by who I really am.
Yeah, and so I've come tounderstand that who I really am
is a spiritual entity.
I'm a spiritual being that somepeople call a soul.
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I'm a soul with a body and amind.
I'm a soul with a body and amind.
But the shift that occurred inmy life was for the first 25
years of my adult life, Ifocused all of my attention on
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how I could help this and thisget ahead, get ahead in the
world.
You know, I wanted you know thecultural story I grew up in
cultural agenda that when I was18 years old was get the car,
get the girl.
Get the job.
Get the better car.
Get the better job.
Get the better girl.
Get the spouse.
Get the kids.
Get the house.
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Get the better house, get thebetter spouse.
Get the grandkids.
Get the office in the cornerwith your name on the door, get
the building on the corner withyour name on the building, and
then, ultimately, get the grayhair.
Get the retirement watch.
Get the cruise tickets.
Get the illness and get thehell out.
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Yeah, tickets, get the illnessand get the hell out.
And that was the agenda that myculture had placed in front of
me everywhere I looked, that wasbasically the cultural story in
one form or another.
But when I received theinformation that I received in
conversation with God no, neil,your life has nothing to do with
you.
Your life is about everyonewhose life you touch and the way
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in which you touch it.
And when you understand that,my son, you will realize that,
in the universal sense, yourlife is about you.
For an elegant reason, there'sonly one of us in the room.
There's nobody else here, butanother version of you that
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looks a little different.
So when I understood that youknow what you do for another,
you do for yourself, and whatyou fail to do for another, you
fail to do for yourself, Ithought, but it seems like I've
heard that somewhere before.
I wonder where.
Something like that?
Didn't this guy say that about2,000 years ago Do unto others
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as you would have it done untoyou.
That was the golden rule.
Then I was told about theplatinum rule Platinum being
even more valuable than gold.
So the golden rule.
Then I was told about theplatinum rule Platinum being
even more valuable than gold.
So the golden rule do untoothers as you would have it done
unto you has now become in mymind the platinum rule Do unto
others as they would have itdone unto them, which changed
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everything in my agenda.
It changed how I treated allpeople of all races, of all
religions, of all sexualorientations, of all income
levels.
I started treating other peopleas if they were another version
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of me and, of course, what I wastold that I am is, dare I say
it, an individuation of divinity.
Because I said to God who am I?
What am I?
I don't understand what's goingon.
What am I?
God said sweetheart, you're anindividuation of divinity.
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You say well then, what am Idoing here?
Why am I in the physical world?
Why am I not in heaven?
God said you are in heaven.
You're just not treating it asif it were heaven and you've
created your own personal hell,as have billions of other people
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who don't understand who theyare and why they're here.
And I said well then, why am Ihere?
Why am I here?
God said you're there to servethe agenda of your soul, which
is to announce and declare,express and fulfill, become and
experience, through thedemonstration thereof, who you
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really are.
But be careful.
If you do that, you will changethe world that you touch and
people might even make you wrongfor it.
They might even crucify you intheir own way.
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So be very careful.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So how did you take that?
Be careful, what did you dowith that?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I moved forward with great care.
I was careful I didn't walkdown the street.
I didn't.
I didn't walk down the streetdeclaring myself to be an
individual expression of god.
I didn't, you know.
I was very careful, you know.
And when I did explain what Iunderstood to be true about
myself and about all of us, Ialways made that very clear.
I said when the book becamewidely read, I was of course
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invited to give talks, andbefore I knew it again, I'm not
bragging, just saying but Iwound up getting invited to talk
everywhere, from Buenos Airesto Germany.
I was talking in France.
I was invited to Russia.
I was talking in Moscow, inJapan, in China.
The Chinese government invitedme to come and give talks there.
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I was talking all over the world.
I was talking all over theworld and I was saying to people
let's get very clear All of usare individual expressions of
the divine and all of us arehaving our own conversations
with God.
We're simply calling itsomething else.
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Calling it a Women's intuition,yeah, channeling.
Or a psychic hit, yeah, or anepiphany.
I had an epiphany, you know, asudden insight.
Whatever you want to use,whatever words you want to use,
in order to avoid saying Godtold me this because you don't
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want to be ridiculed andmarginalized.
Yes, but I was willing tosuffer marginalization and
ridicule because I wasn't goingto call my experience something
other than what it was.
It was a conversation with God.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So, since you've been in this for quite a while, so
in our human perspective, quitea while where do you see that
humanity has made a shifttowards this?
Um newer, I guess, maybe it'snewer I don't know that it is
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but um a more collectiveunderstanding of this idea, this
idea that you're presenting,which, in my understanding, when
I, when I understood it, I waslike oh, it's always been there
in the christian world, it'scalled the Holy Spirit.
They just don't emphasize thatpart, they emphasize other parts
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.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Sadly, many people in the Christian world far too
many from my observation observean idea that says If you're a
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practicing Muslim or apracticing Jew or a practicing
Hindu or a practicing Buddhist,you're going to hell.
Sorry to have to tell you,because God doesn't really care
how good a person you are, howpatient, how understanding, how
compassionate, how forgiving youare, doesn't matter to God.
Either come through thisdoorway or you don't come at all
.
It's very simple.
So you'd better show up Sundayfor our service or you're going
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to be in BT.
Big trouble.
And I was raised as a Catholicand in the Catholic Church we
were told that it was a mortalsin to miss Mass on Sunday.
Yeah, if you miss Mass withouta good excuse, yeah, fair enough
.
If you're caring for a sickparent or you're an adult who
has to work on Sunday to supportyour family, fair enough.
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But if you just decide becausea friend you haven't seen in 23
years shows up on your doorstepin a big surprise and says let's
go have brunch, I can't believe.
I haven't seen you in 23 years.
Yeah, let's go have brunch.
And you miss Mass that Sunday,the first Sunday of your life
that you didn't go to Mass.
The priest said to me well,because I asked the priest about
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this and he said well, if youconfess your sins and get
absolution, you're okay, but ifyou don't, if you die before you
confess that sin, you would begoing to hell.
I said, father, let meunderstand.
Are you saying I would be sentto everlasting damnation for
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missing a 45 minute mass onesunday in my life?
He said well, you know, it'sone of the 10 commandments keep
the holy day, keep you know.
I said wow, what an interestinggod we have.
What an interesting god whosays, in other religions, for
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instance, that you must coveryour hair and cover your entire
body, but only if you're afemale, and you can only allow a
certain slit in front of yourgarment so you can see where
you're walking.
Oh, and, by the way, speakingof walking, you may not leave
your house without being in thecompany of a male relative.
These are the commands of thisreligion.
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This is the God that we believein.
Or the God of another religionwho says you know, there's a
certain kind of meat you can'teat.
You can't eat this particularkind of meat called pork.
You're in trouble with God.
Let me see if I understand this.
God cares what you wear andwhat you eat.
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I mean, please, really, this isthe highest power in the
universe.
Who's concerned with JohnSchwarzkopper in Toledo, ohio,
had for breakfast on Friday?
I mean, come on, but billionsand billions of people believe
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in that particular deity.
So when I wrote you know inConversations with God what I
was told you know I punish noone.
I do not judge, I do notcondemn and I certainly do not
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punish.
My love is pure love that needs, wants, expects, requires and
demands nothing in return.
But this is hard for you tounderstand, neil, because your
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species, you can't even love theperson on the pillow next to
you in that way.
You can't honestly say to theperson next to you lying right
there in bed with you I don'trequire or need or expect or
hope for or demand anything fromyou whatsoever.
So you cannot imagine a God wholoves you in that way.
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But once you decide that maybethere's something that you're
not clear about, maybe there'smore to this thing you call God
than you have come to know,maybe there's some data missing,
yeah.
When you come to know Maybethere's some data missing, yeah.
When you come to thatunderstanding and decide what
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the missing data could or mightbe it might change your entire
experience of life.
You might even love the personon the pillow next to you purely
.
You might even love the personon the pillow next to you purely
, without requiring anything inreturn, for the first time in
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your life.
Wouldn't that be sweet.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I think that books like yours have really laid the
groundwork for many people toopen up to those ideas much
earlier than, for example, inthe 40s or the 60s, when that
kind of book wasn't available orit wasn't mass marketed.
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Oh it never had even beenpublished.
Yeah right, exactly, would havenever been published.
But today we're experiencing Imean, I have two children and to
listen to them, they skip overa lot of the things that you
know I had to deal with similar,similarly to you know.
There's probably some thingsthat I understood.
I mean, I totally resonate withwhat you're saying there and I
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had friends growing up who weredifferent races, different
religions and so forth, and sowhen I I wasn't, I wasn't raised
Catholic, so it wasn't likeevery Sunday, it just happened,
however, it happened.
And so when I heard things likethat you know you didn't come to
church on Sunday or you didn't,you're not wearing the right
clothes or whatever it is, andI'm friends with and love these
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people that I know who don'tabide by that I couldn't.
That could never.
I could never rectify that inmy mind, even though I didn't
know what to say.
I didn't have any other optionto say okay, well, I guess I'm
not Christian.
Now I can say that, because Idon't believe that one belief
structure because that's what Iunderstand it to be is you have
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to believe that this is the onlyway, or at least that's what
the way it was presented to me.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
You know, I was taught as a child to even be
embarrassed of my own body.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember whenI was about 17,.
I did something very daringbecause I was about 18.
I did something very daring.
I actually went to a nude beach.
Oh, there was one in SouthernCalifornia.
You don't find them in everycommunity, but there was one
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just near San Diego.
It was a nude beach and I went.
I just wanted to see what thatwas all about.
Yeah, there were all thesenaked people running around,
swimming and lying on the sandand enjoying the sun, and I
thought I can't believe it.
Oh my God, I can't believethere are 165 naked people here,
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right out here in the open onthe beach.
It was all I could do to take myclothes off, because I'd never
done that before in my life.
I allowed myself to be seen byanybody, except maybe a sexual
partner, and I didn't have manyof those when I was 18.
So it's kind of like you know,wow, we're supposed to even be
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embarrassed about our body, andembarrassed is not the same as
being modest.
Modest is one thing,embarrassed is something else
entirely different.
Yes, to another degree.
So you know, golly, gee, Ithink I've been asking my
lecture audiences for the past30 years do you think it's
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possible, just possible, thatthere's something we don't fully
understand here about God,about life and about each other,
the understanding of whichwould change everything?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, Well, even just the concept that we are all one
usually when people really getthat on an energetic level, it
shifts everything.
Every way they speak, everyword they speak everything.
Compassion just goes throughthe roof.
And contentment too.
I mean that's, that's a hugething, is a contentment.
(41:05):
So, speaking of my experiencespeaking of the contentment, I'm
curious what was what has beenyour journey with Um?
So what you're describing, whatwe were just talking about, is
what a lot of people would referto nowadays as the 3d life,
which involves the beliefsystems of culture, Okay, and
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which that includes the granderculture, but also our family
dynamic or the close peoplearound us, which you have done
so eloquently in those books.
You ask the questions that helpyou to release those.
Then things begin to shift.
But because we're people whoare between this 3D belief
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structure and connected tospirit like this, we tend to
waver back and forth, we tend togo back oh, but I have this
belief.
That one's true.
I released all the other ones,but this one's still true.
And so what we find, or what Ihave found, is that the 3D
representation of our life, thephysical manifestation of our
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life, sometimes is delayed fromwhat it could be if you only
approach it from a spirituallevel.
So maybe share with theaudience.
How did your 3D life shift whenyou made these shifts, when you
started to understand theseconcepts?
What happened in your 3D life?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
First of all, all the stress and strain evaporated
from my incessant focus onbigger, better, more.
I need to get a bigger house, abetter car, you know more of
this.
I need to make sure I need towork for my financial security.
I need to put together aretirement plan.
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I need to make sure everybody'staken care of blah blah, blah
retirement plan.
I need to make sure everybody'staken care of blah, blah, blah.
So that was the first thing thatchanged was, oh, I stopped
paying most of my attention tothose matters.
I'm not saying I didn't pay anyattention to it, because as a
practical person I did, but theywere way down on my priority
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list.
What became first on mypriority list, and you know, at
the top of that list, was notwhat am I doing, but how am I
being.
I realized you know what Godsaid to me.
She said she said, neil, you'renot a human doing, you're a
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human being.
So let me share with you the be, do have paradigm.
And she did.
And he told me all about how Ihad everything in my life wrong
in the sense that it wasinaccurate, it wasn't working.
I thought that life worked outhave do be when I had this, then
(43:58):
I can do this, then I can bethis.
You know, like, when I haveenough money, as an example,
when I have enough money, I cando the thing called buy a house
and I can be the thing calledsafe and secure in my own home.
You know, when I have enoughgood grades, I can do the thing
(44:20):
called graduate from college andI can be the thing called ready
for a career.
And you know, whatever it was ahave-do-be paradigm, god said
no, it's the other way around Be, do, have.
Start off being what it is thatyou wish to be, and it was a
(44:40):
whole brand new way for me oflooking at life.
Start off being what it is thatyou wish to be, and that was a
whole brand new way for me oflooking at life.
I said well, I said, and I evensaid to God well, I don't
understand.
Like, for instance, if I wantto be abundant, how can I be
abundant if I'm jobless and Idon't have any income?
God said oh, I see you seekabundance is dollars and cents.
(45:01):
I see you seek abundance, it'sdollars and cents.
I see the challenge.
But do your both hands work?
Yes, yes, yes, ma'am, does yourbody work?
Yes, sir, does your mind work?
I think it does, I see.
So what's the problem?
You are abundant.
(45:23):
Do you want to know how manypeople in the world do not have
all those functions?
Kneel down in gratitude foryour abundance and then be
abundant.
I said this all sounds very nice, god, you know it's all very
(45:44):
sweet, but frankly, I'm talkingto God like I'm talking to a
friend.
I said, frankly, it sounds abit airy-fairy, a little bit
airy-fairy.
You know how can I get it downto earth?
God said if you really seeyourself as abundant, share your
abundance with others, evenwhat little money you have.
(46:06):
If you only had $3 in yourpocket.
When you pass the guy on thestreet sitting up against a
building with a little basket infront of him, with a cardboard
sign in the basket that saysanything helps, give him one of
your three dollars.
Or if you really want to bedaring, give him all three and
(46:31):
watch how you feel when you walkaway.
Whether you feel abundant orlack, you will feel abundance
and that feeling will beprojected from you out into the
world and produce the outcomethat you are feeling.
(46:53):
My son, you just learned thefirst step in manifestation, and
so those are some of the waysin which my life changed
dramatically so I understand youhave a relatively new book.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Would you like to share a little bit about that?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
sure, I have a book called God Talk, which is about
how people can have their ownconversations with God.
I didn't write it, you know,just out of the blue.
I got a call, a telephone call,which rarely happens, by the
way, in the publishing business,but in this case the publisher
called me.
Most writers who have publishedbooks write a book and then
(47:37):
they try to find a publisher.
Maybe they have a literaryagent who shops it and then they
try to find a publisher.
Maybe they have a literaryagent who shops it around.
They try to find a publisher.
It's very rare for a publisherto call a person and say would
you write a book for us?
But I got a call and somepublisher said would you be
willing to write a book?
I said, what about?
Would you write a book and tellpeople how they can also have
(48:00):
their own conversation with God?
I said, sure, I'd be happy to.
So I wrote a book and theytitled it God Talk.
And the book explains how Iwent about my own conversation
with God and even outlined alittle process.
You know a little six-stepapproach that people might use
(48:21):
to have their own interactionwith the divine.
And then they put the book out.
They put an internet invitationto people around the world
saying if you feel that you'vealso had an intervention with
the divine, send us your story.
And they called me, and andsaid we're getting hundreds and
hundreds of emails from people.
So they took the seven or eightbest of those stories and also
(48:45):
included it in the book so thatpeople wouldn't think that, oh,
there's this one guy out therein Oregon.
They finally got the idea thatoh, there are many, many, many,
many people all over the planetwho experienced interventions,
direct interactions with thedivine.
So they put those stories inthe book as well and they titled
(49:06):
the book God Talk.
I'm happy that they published it, and my other most recent book
is a book called the GodSolution, in which I talk about
how a person could be an ideahero and place before humanity
ideas that they know in advancemost people will disagree with,
maybe even ridicule them for,but they can be an idea hero,
(49:30):
like Galileo was an idea hero.
He said the earth revolvedaround the sun and of course,
the church taught that the sunrevolved around the earth at
that time and they condemned him, and it took them 363 years to
admit that they were wrong.
The church said, oh, I guess wehad it wrong.
Galileo was right, after all,back there in 1629.
(49:54):
So you know, the book God'sSolution helps people to
understand how they can manifesttheir reality.
By the way, that particular bookI'm happy to make available to
anyone who asks for it in adigital form.
They simply drop me a notesaying, neil, send me a digital
copy of the God's Solution at nocost.
(50:16):
And I said, ok, I do, I will.
So if they drop me a note, youcouldn't forget my email address
.
If you tried, neil, atneildonaldwalshcom and ask for
the God Solution and I'll sendyou by return email a digital
copy of the author's manuscriptof that book, because I want
(50:39):
everybody to embrace the God'ssolution.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Well, there must have been some serious seeds planted
with some of the work that youdid, because we have shifted a
lot as a community, I think evenworldwide.
I just just before we met, Iwas chatting with somebody in
South Africa.
Right Like we're, we're allconnecting to each other, and it
(51:05):
reminds me of the stories ofthe Navajo Indians here, who
I've heard somebody talk aboutand I'm not a Native American,
so I don't I don't know thisfirsthand Native American, so I
don't know this firsthand.
But this makes a lot of sensethat the smoke signals that they
were sending up was a signal toconnect and when they both
(51:29):
connected they could communicate.
And so I think that your bookshave helped to lay the
groundwork, break some of thoseparadigms and release them and
allow so many people to be ableto do that.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I think so.
I don't want to brag about it,but I do think it's a practical
matter that the books there arenine Conversations with God,
dialogue books and I thinkfrankly, they did kick open the
door and gave people permissionto realize that they were also
having those experiences and nowwe can acknowledge it and
(52:04):
embrace it and call it part ofour own.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Well, you know, I just want to add one thing here.
I totally agree with you.
There have been many otherbooks as I grow more into this
field, and I recognize there arelots of other books and there
are many books that are old.
But what, again, I found to bereally unique and extremely
helpful about yours is that itspoke in a language that so many
people understand and canresonate with, which is I'm
(52:31):
speaking to God.
Maybe you, in the book, didn'tspeak to God in the way that
they thought they were supposedto speak to God, but you did it
and you consistently got it.
And, on top of that, themessages that come through
anybody who's in this fieldknows when they're connecting to
truth, when they're connectingto source, because the messages
(52:54):
are consistent.
They're consistent witheverything you're saying here,
and it's all about love, right,like?
There is no, there's nopunishment of some fabrication
by human, and so when you seethat across the board, it's just
, I mean, it's obvious, it'sjust very obvious when that
comes through, and so Ipersonally thank you, and I'm
sure a million and a half otherpeople do too, but thank you for
(53:18):
committing to that and sharingit with everybody and listening
to that voice.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Thank you, blair.
Those are kind words to say andI'm only humbly grateful that
if something I've done in mylife, that I've been allowed to
do, has touched other people ina way that they feel has been
beneficial.
Thank you for saying that to me.
You're welcome, thank you.
Thank you for inviting me onthe program.
(53:44):
I've enjoyed being here withyou.
I hope it has served youragenda.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Oh, definitely, yeah, Thank you so much.
Thanks for listening to thisepisode of mystical and infamous
podcast with the happy lioncenter.
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