March 19, 2025 • 54 mins
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We dive into the complexities of self-realization and spiritual growth, discussing the myths of instant enlightenment and the importance of gradual development. Our conversation emphasizes the need for patience and understanding within the spiritual journey.
• Acknowledging the allure of instantaneous spiritual experiences
• The significance of stepping into a lifelong process of self-realization
• Exploring the mismatch between expectations and lived spiritual realities
• The analogy of growing a child: gradual development is essential
• Emphasizing the need to build a solid energetic foundation
• Encouraging listeners to break away from traditional molds of thinking
• Reflecting on how modern generation approaches spiritual awakening differently
• Discussing the challenges of navigating through spiritual experiences in daily life
• Inviting audience interaction for thoughts and questions
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion
Center.
Welcome to our podcast,mystical and Infamous, where we
have playful and easyconversations about anything
mystical, getting to the heartof all things, strange and weird
.
Join us in a bit of magicaltomfoolery, spreading the
alchemy of love and light.
And now we invite you to enjoythe show and light.
(00:29):
And now we invite you to enjoythe show.
It's been my experience so farthat stepping into
self-realization is a processand it's an ongoing process.
What is your, because you're soexperienced at doing all of
this with so many people?
What is your experience withnot only people's expectations
of what really connecting orbringing the spirit world into
(00:52):
the physical experience isversus the way that it actually
pans out in quote, reality?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
well, given that we do create our experiences
through our belief systems andour emotional makeup and we do
have a pre-designed soul path,in a sense of what we, as far as
(01:24):
learning lessons or as far asearth, experiences we how shall
we say?
We pre-designed it before wecame in.
But of course our soul designis always subject to change,
obviously.
So I'm not setting a sconeshould change obviously
(01:49):
something not set in scone.
But you know when peopleadvertise and promote about
instantaneous and then you fillin the blank yeah it really
doesn't work that way, in asense of how they market, uh,
that idea or concept.
Think of it this way.
And everything is an evolution.
(02:12):
Everything is growing,expanding learning, maybe
unlearning, relearning.
So if that's true, if you, forreason, decide to go from step A
to step M without including allthe other steps in between, I
(02:34):
don't think that's possible.
And even if you did do that, itmight be overwhelming to your
physical body and your brain.
Think of it energetically.
So my experience has been, andnot to say that it's everybody's
experience, but life is aprocess.
(02:57):
We learn every year about awhole lot of things and we
mature.
So think of it this way everyyear about a whole lot of things
and we mature.
So think of it this way.
Can you teach a baby that's sixmonths old algebra?
Probably not possible.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Right, because the brain is not developed to handle
that information, for one thing.
So think about this way Peopleare immature energetically and
spiritually but they try to likehave it all now, raise a
kundalini and whatnot, maybeblow out their brain or have a
stroke or something.
Not a good idea.
(03:39):
The point is is that if weconsciously intend, through our
prayers every day, to master thenext step that's in our life,
we can't go wrong, because theonly thing you can do anyway is
take the next step.
(04:00):
I've had people in the pastcome and say Kenji, I want it
all.
You know meaning, like give methe enlightened experience, give
me the full thing, right?
And I would say well, I don'tknow if you really want to do
that, because your brain mightnot be able to handle that
information and we'd go intooverload and you would probably
(04:20):
implode or explode.
But you could always take yournext step.
So that's my sense.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, would you say that, like when we're meditating
or whatever whatever word youwant to use for it when we're in
the zone that we do getglimpses of what that is, and of
course it's in small chunks,and then you come back to
whatever your actual physicalreality is.
(04:49):
So in a sense, that's kind ofpreparing you for what is to
come.
So it's energetically preparingyou for that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, exactly, that's common sense.
Right, you have to spin food ababy you can't shove a whole
meal down a baby's throat right,the baby has to learn how to
chew and swallow and digest andeverything.
And you know, when peoplemarket and promote about instant
(05:26):
manifestation, well, I like touse analogy of someone that
wants to become an athlete.
Well, they have to start aregimen, right, they have to get
on the right kind of diet.
They have to do psychologicalpreparation.
They have to physically start aregimen that build up the
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muscles to train the muscles, totrain the body, mind in their
sport that they want to, youknow, participate in so same
thing energetically.
We have to build up ourenergetic muscles to be able to
handle these higher states.
(06:07):
Yes, so we get glimpses of whatcould be.
But also, you know, we have tocreate the, tell it technically,
we have to create the channelsto be clear.
Like your kundalini channelshave to be clear, your chakra
channels have to be clear.
The how shall we say?
(06:28):
The nadis in your aura, yourfield have to be clear, because
if you try to bring in thisintense vibration and you have
distortions and blocks in yourfield, obviously, right, it's
going to hurt.
This may be painful.
Things will come up in yourbody that will be very weird and
strange.
Maybe medical conditions orpsychiatric conditions symptoms
(06:55):
yeah so it's always obviouslygood to prepare, no matter what
you do in life.
It's it's important to buildthe foundation, like Jesus says
Build your house on a strongfoundation so when the storm
comes, your house won't getwashed away.
So how many people do you knowthat have become kind of
(07:17):
airy-fairy because you know,like they tapped into the upper
atmosphere, so to speak, butlack the grounding and the
stability and the centerednessof the body and earth life?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That's a super interesting question because
actually I just mentioned thisyesterday.
You know there are people in ourline of work that they are very
articulate and they'reexperienced at talking about
this stuff.
But yet you can also see and Idon't know if I'm correct in
(07:56):
this, I would love to have yourinput on it but you can also see
that the ego and the mind arevery much still in the way, and
so what I typically sense fromthose people is that and I'm
sure I'm one of them, right, I'mnot exempting myself from that
but I typically notice thateither the mind or the ego or
(08:18):
the belief systems cause I liketo call it congestions where
energy may come in, but then allof a sudden it gets.
You know, there's a, there's asticky point where it doesn't
flow through, because when itflows through it feels more like
I don't know, kind of like whenyou walk out in the sun and
(08:39):
it's like all of a sudden,everything is warm and all of it
.
You know you can breathe and itall makes kind of.
It all makes sense, because itdoes also go with the mind as
well.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But I would say that the majority of people Really
thing, are these teachers, theseprophets of the new age, so to
speak?
A little comedy, team insertionthere, team in search in there.
So are they teaching fromexperience or are they teaching
from book knowledge and videoviewing and, uh, listening to
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other people, uh, from whatother people have said in
retreats and workshops?
See, that's, that's thedifference.
Are they teaching from stillthe mental body or are they
teaching from direct experience?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Right and the ones that come from direct experience
.
Even if they have as they do,because they're here right, they
still have an ego, they stillhave the mind.
It feels like this very healthyacknowledgement of and respect
for that part of them and um,and because they have distanced
(09:50):
themselves enough from that, theconversations don't get stuck
on that part does or doesn't?
does not yeah I mean, it may, itmay go by that and we may
experience that, but there'stypically with those kind of
people, it's usually there's anacknowledgement that oh well,
that might be my ego talking oryou know something to that
effect, and then you just kindof, then you understand, it's
(10:12):
just this, a human presentationof this energy.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, let me see here , I got to make an adjustment
here.
Here's the thing with let mesee, okay, I think that's good.
Let me see, okay, I thinkthat's good.
Are you in service to self orothers?
That's another question.
When you're teaching and youprobably notice this, I didn't
(10:40):
notice it up until the so-calledlockdown, and then things
started to rise in thecollective right, people's
unconscious plus their gifts, Imean the whole thing, right, I
didn't know really whatnarcissism was until I started
watching videos and other thingsand I go, wow, so that's what
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that is, and that's all about me.
Hollywood types, certainspiritual types, people that are
famous, people that have money,people that have power Never
understood it, but I can see itnow.
Now, but I didn't know what itwas before.
(11:27):
But that's an interestingphenomenon, right?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
is that you've?
You're saying that, uh, whencovet happened, that, uh, you
started to notice that more inthe, in the, just the people you
were interacting with justgeneral, including the spiritual
movement.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know people that are on TV, people that are in
movies.
I think it's very interesting.
But again, I think the questiongoes back to are you serving
yourself or are you in servicefor others?
I've always known that I wantedto learn and teach healing work
(12:06):
, for lack of a better term.
This was back in when I was ateenager, actually, so this goes
to 1960s.
But I didn't know how it wouldcome about.
I didn't know the form, I justknew that I was fascinated with
the esoteric teachings of Jesus,not what you read in the Bible,
because I knew that.
(12:27):
I knew that what really is inthe Bible is very distorted.
So where are his teachingsright?
So then we have the scrolls andall that stuff right, and the
Essene teachings.
They give a little more insightinto that and, like, how did
Buddha attain what he attained?
How did he do that?
(12:47):
These were fascinating subjectsto me as I was growing up.
So that was kind of my search,my search for, uh, the meaning
of Jesus, well, what herepresented, and like what
Buddha represented, because Ialways felt I could blend the
east and the west traditionstogether somehow, you know,
synthesize the spiritualteachings of the east, like they
(13:10):
came out of india and thehimalayas and northern china, uh
, taoism, uh, and blend it withthe esoteric Western thought,
not so much Christianity, butlike Greek philosophy and like
Plato's teachings and SocratesFascinating.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
And did you find that calling partially because you
came from the Westernenvironment, where that kind of
approach was more acceptable, ordo you feel like you were
really driven to that becauseit's something that's of
interest to you?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
well, I think it's part of my calling, it was part
of my soul makeup, so it's notsomething that I had to decide.
Oh yeah, I want to study this.
It was like over there as anurge, you know, like an urge,
like like you can't deny it.
It's like you can feel it inyour body.
Yeah, that kind of force, Iguess.
So I went into philosophy myfirst year in college and I
(14:13):
loved it.
I had this philosophy teacherthat never gave A's.
That was a rumor.
He never gave A's and hisclasses was always like five
students, six students, whichwas true, because I took four of
his classes and they're like myfive students in the whole
class, right, which could easilybe 20 or more, and I got A's.
(14:33):
So that showed me somethingabout my, my interest, my innate
interest in, in and kind oflike everything from like New
Zealand, the Maori and theAborigines in Australia all the
way up through like the EasternIndian, maybe even pre-Buddhist
(15:00):
thought to contemporary thought.
That's fascinating.
But I knew I couldn't earn aliving being a philosophy
teacher.
Let's say, or you know, gettinga degree in philosophy, like a
PhD in philosophy.
Well, what's that going to getyou?
What kind of a job can they getyou, so I gave that up, you
(15:28):
know, as far as a degree focus.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So you have enjoyed pulling in the different
presentations.
Would you say that it's reallydifferent presentations of the
same kind of idea or ideas LikeI feel like if you look at and
of course I don't think I'mnearly as experienced as you are
in terms of looking at thehistory of different spiritual
experiences, but of the onesthat I have been involved with
what I have noticed there is, ifyou look beyond the words, you
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look beyond the human presentingthe information and you really
look at what the information,the essence of what they're
trying to say, so not cloaked inthe ego, let's say, or in the
mind or in the construct of thesociety in which it was created,
you see something very similarall throughout all of the
(16:18):
civilizations who come up withthese spiritual teachings.
I haven't studied the Tao ingreat depth, but what I've
studied of the Tao boom that was.
I just loved it.
I was like, oh yeah, that isspot on.
Talk about not wasting energywith words or any of that other
stuff.
You can just get straight to it.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, I would say, as an organized body of thought,
taoism comes closest to thesimplicity of what is and can be
.
Yeah, plus, it's very beautifulin a poetic sense, in a visual
sense of how art and sculpturemanifests through that
(17:01):
particular thought perspective.
Yeah, it's very beautiful.
I've always been attracted toZen in the sense of it gets to
the essence of stuff, yeah, anddoesn't even include the clutter
of Western contemporary mentalbody thought in a sense.
So, yeah, if we were talkingabout, like, what's the closest
(17:25):
thing to the essence, that to mewould be it.
And yes or no to your question.
Here's the thing who teaches andI think this is important
(17:47):
because I think the lockdownbrought this up regarding, like,
what is what is true?
What is true right now foreverybody on this planet?
And everybody's got an opinionabout everything, right, and not
a lot of people can agree, Alot of people can disagree, as
you can see, and some peopledon't care and some people
(18:12):
really care.
But what perspective teachesabout how to discern the truth
so that you know who you are inin essence, which would mean,
then, you know what you are andhow you are serving and your
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purpose given, given that theidea is that when one fully
connects to the essence of self,then everything is given, like
that biblical saying seek yefirst the kingdom, and all
things shall be given to thee.
I always resonated with that asa young kid.
(18:57):
Not too many stuff from thechurch, but that was one of them
and the golden rule of course.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I thought, yeah, everybody should do that, then
we wouldn't have any wars sowhat you're saying is um well,
actually I'm doing a masterclass on this this week um, I
call that the true self.
I think to the essence of that,which is the oneness right yeah
(19:23):
um, so would you say that mostum spiritual paths, essentially,
are aiming to reach that trueself well, yeah, each religious
spiritual path is an attempt.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, like yoga.
What is the difference?
Yoga, it's union with all.
That is right.
You can't get any morecomplicated than that.
I mean, that's pretty simple,right.
That that's the.
The goal of yoga is union withgod or union with creation.
But how many yoga teachersreally teach that from an
(20:06):
experiential point of view?
I don't hear of uh, of that,I've not heard of that.
Sure, anybody can teach.
Okay, do this pose, breathe now, bring your focus here, let go
of this and all that.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But super okay.
That's really interesting to mebecause I I totally agree with
you.
So my answer to that firstquestion was um, first off, I'm
not involved with a lot of yogapeople, but what I have
understood is that if they cometo that understanding, it's
almost by accident in a way it'sunplanned, but then, as you
(20:49):
describe that, it's more likeokay, well, right, you're
training all these yoga teachersto spread all this stuff.
Well, they need somethingphysical to do, right, but to
teach the essence of how do youconnect to that oneness, right
you connect to, how do youconnect to that oneness right in
(21:10):
that avenue it's physicalmovement or breathing techniques
or whatever all the rest yogais right, which is involved in
every well, you know, I think itgoes deeper than that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think it is where you put your attention oh yeah
right, yeah, beyond, okay, I'mgoing to do the sunrise pose now
, or or I'm going to go into afull lotus position.
Here it is, it's beyond thatand it's even beyond the breath.
All of that are like littlepieces, tools to like prepare
(21:38):
the state yeah.
Yeah, I've noticed this withpractitioners of any kind of
healing modality their focus,primarily, is still on the
technique and not on the essenceof what the technique can
(22:04):
support and produce, in a sense.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I think that, personally, I think that's the
difference between programs likeyours and the intention with
the program like mine is thatit's not the program itself.
Yes, it has a container.
Yes, we, you know, maybe weagree to meet at a certain time,
we're doing something specific.
Maybe it's physical, maybe it'snot, you know, maybe we agree
to meet at a certain time, we'redoing something specific.
(22:27):
Maybe it's physical, maybe it'snot, you know.
But, and though, like you said,those are tools, but they're
tools to get to this place.
You know I'm using the wordrecognition or reconnect, or,
you know, that's not even theright word.
It's like almost alignment orsomething that's a way to almost
open your eyes, not yourphysical eyes, but open your
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awareness, to recognize theconnection, and that's the thing
that we're all searching for.
And you can't say that there'sonly one path and you can't say
that this is the right path andthat's not the right path, and
so then it becomes veryconfusing, I think, for a lot of
us who are of the 3d that's whyI like the dallas idea.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Right, there's no path.
There's no path, carry wood,chop water okay right, just live
, right yeah and after yourlightning experience, continue
to do the same right so.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
So in that vein, okay , so we're all whether it's kind
of ironic to me that you knowsomebody listening to this might
be on the path to try and getto this attainment of oneness
and awakening, or what have you.
They still have to carry woodchop water, just like everybody
does have to carry wood chopwater, just like everybody does.
(23:51):
And what I am most curiousabout right now is what, in your
experience, has been for peoplewho are going along that path.
They carry wood chop water.
How is the carry wood chopwater part different for
somebody who's going along thatpath versus somebody who isn't
really awake?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I guess okay, one path contains a lot of joy and
peace and harmony, and the otherpath contains a lot of stress
and worry yeah, so they'rehappier in general well, yeah,
well, you, from your experience,from the work when you're in
the quantum, the zone, well,there's no thoughts, there's no
(24:30):
pain, there's no fear, right?
right, yeah, yeah and, as we say, that's your natural state,
spiritually speaking.
And then what about the idea ofembodying that frequency or
vibration or consciousness inyour body which has never been
done before in a collective way?
(24:52):
And that's a challenge because,as you know, people that don't
have a lot of physical supportin doing their spiritual trip is
it becomes very difficult, in asense, physical support in
doing their spiritual trip is itbecomes?
very difficult.
In a sense, you feel alone andand, uh, you know you wish you
had more tribe around you andstuff.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But maybe that's the challenge, maybe it is standing
alone, in a sense, in this fieldin the midst of the storm well,
I would argue to say that, muchlike people are called it, call
it the dark night of the soul,I think the people who are
(25:34):
oftentimes driven along thispath are essentially they wind
up finding themselves in thatpredicament that you're
describing.
They feel alone, they don'thave support.
It becomes very difficult, butyet there's some sort of drive,
like you're talking about, yourpull to continue on this path,
and it's almost I mean, it'svery similar to this idea of
(25:55):
digging your heels in right.
Yeah, and just saying you know,like for me I just knew this
quote reality that the world waspresenting to me just simply
could not be right yeah, there'ssomething wrong with this
picture.
Wait a minute, I'm gonna changethe channel here yeah, that's
exactly what I wanted to do, butfor me it wasn't even just that
(26:16):
, it was also physical.
It was not only physical in mybody, but it was also physically
around me and um, and basicallythat, that that other path that
you're talking about, which isfilled with stress and
discomfort, and all of thatstuff.
I was just so fed up with thatI just, you know, like the
almost the body, or the mentalmind or the emotional body or
(26:37):
whatever all of that just getstired and says you know what, I
don't need that anymore.
It doesn't matter mycircumstances, I'm going to find
a way out, and, and, and, and.
I feel like that oftentimes,which I think that's why we have
these circumstances, and I'vebeen told before that you know,
people who become healers orwhat have you, oftentimes have
(26:57):
these traumatic lives so thatthey, they are forced to go
there.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's again the old Piscean perspective.
So we're in the Aquarianastrological field.
Now, right, we've moved on thePiscean field of learning
through pain and suffering,learning through friction.
The Aquarian vibration is verydifferent to that.
(27:24):
The Aquarian vibration is verydifferent to that.
So, yes, we can still havetraumatic events that wake us up
.
We could have continual darknight of the soul, midlife
crisis, existential crisis.
Saturn returns, near-deathexperiences.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
We could have all of that, or we can learn through
joy yeah, and I definitely feelyou with children, that I have
my children and the young peopleof today.
They can see the pain of thepast and they're like no thanks
yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a verydifferent learning experience.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Right, learning through joy.
Still have the challenges, notlike not going to have any
challenges, but would you rathergo through it with struggle and
a lot of worry or go through itwith a lot of harmony and
balance, peace and calm andsteady focus?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
what's interesting?
You say that because I Iobserved, so I was a teacher for
a while school teacher yeah,school teacher, and my mother
was a school teacher too, so Isaw them like, um, you know, as
a child, as best a child couldyou even having a parent?
that way you see the shifts andthe generations, like the
classes that go through yeah um,so, and then as I become a
(28:48):
teacher, I see the same thing asI'm just teaching I think I
talked for a little over nineyears but um, and then noticing
my own children as they comeinto the stage where we can kind
of really notice what they'rereally evolving into is, uh, and
honestly, I, I think oldergenerations which probably has
to do with the Piscean, you know, perspective that you're
(29:11):
talking about the oldergenerations tend to be
frustrated at the younger oneswho are like, yeah, no, thank
you.
I mean, it goes down to havinga conversation with somebody
about my daughter's outfit forsomething that was like an
interview, and this person wastelling her you know, what is it
?
What is the kind of outfit youshould be wearing?
(29:31):
What kind of clothing shouldyou be wearing?
And I don't completely disagreewith this person, but I also
know my daughter enough and Ialso know myself enough to know
I'm not going to have thatdiscussion with her because
she's not going to do that, shedoesn't want to do that, it's
(29:52):
yes.
Um, why would I push her to doit?
Because, guess what, I hated ittoo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And why?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
not have a better experience.
You know, you still see, evenin the spiritual community,
because it's like a collectiveconsciousness mindset You're
supposed to wear certain clothesand colors when you go on TV,
when you play sports, you'resupposed to act a certain way,
scream a certain way, yell acertain way, behave a certain
(30:18):
way, because that's what'sexpected, because that's what
everybody else does.
So, across the board, I stillsee people in, entangled in in
old collective thought formsthat how shall we say?
(30:38):
Uh, are still influential.
And you look at social mediaand the influences there, right?
So?
So if we're getting to talkabout sovereignty and really how
to be free, not only in thisworld but in the other worlds,
we can't be influenced byinfluencers of any kind, be it
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spiritual, social media,political, political media,
media, especially anything thatdisseminates information to the
public, basically.
So what I'm seeing is a lack ofcreative freedom.
(31:21):
I'm, you gotta wear black andyou gotta women, you've gotta
wear man's suit and you gotta beall black so that you're cool
and you're powerful and you knowwhat you're doing, as opposed
to other colors that are, to me,are more colorful and creative,
but but let's just say that.
(31:41):
So black's become very.
Oh, you gotta buy a black carfor sure, man.
So you're really cool becausethat that represents power and
money.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay yeah, which is like this.
It's just total garbage to me,just like I don't know.
I I totally understand whereyou're coming from, so I'm I'm
curious again.
I want to go back to this forthe people who are on the path
to be seeking this awake, let'sjust call it awakening.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't know what, I don't even that's a good term,
yeah, so awakening.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They're on the path to this thing, at least in my
practice, and I, you know, I'vebeen in your group for a while,
so I I feel like we're on thesame page with this, but it's
not like a destination, and itsure is not like somebody else
is actually gonna give you themagic pill or button.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh, what no magic pill, Really?
Oh, I was looking for thecarrot, you know the magic
carrot.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, something like that, right, like
there's some sort of magicthing that all of a sudden this
happens really fast, and ofcourse then you're completely
adjusted, which we've addressedthat it doesn't really happen
like that.
But I feel like there's adisconnect between this.
Maybe they're getting thevision, maybe they're getting
premonitions of what it is to beawakened, but then I feel like
(33:13):
maybe we tend, as a humanness,we tend to skip over the value
of the process, because the endresult is not as wonderful if
you don't experience the processitself.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
This might be a relevant example People that
take plant medicine and theyhave an experience.
Everybody I've talked to hashad a profound plant experience
that they did that path.
There's been anyone I talked togo and it was okay, didn't
experience much.
They all had an experience thatchanged their lives.
(33:59):
But here's a question and arguethat is synthetic, uh
experience, so it's not reallyreal.
You know, it's like artificialversus if you, through your own
efforts, in a sense produce thatexperience on your own ascent.
But we're not talking aboutthat.
(34:20):
But so the question would beall right.
So are they?
So they have this cosmicexperience or this experience
with the spirit of the plant orthe universe?
Are they being taught orsupported, or even, uh, how
(34:41):
should I say?
Uh well, are they integratingthat experience in their daily
life here on the earth plane?
yes are they making it real forthe body to to how shall I say,
uh, vibrate at a higherfrequency, because that's what
we're moving into, right higherfrequencies.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So that would be the question yeah, that that's a
conversation that occurs, or ithasn't occurred in a while, but
it has occurred in our groupwhere, um, it's exactly that,
okay, that's nice that you hadthat experience, yes, you now,
now you have a glimpse of it.
But what are you doing withthat?
And that's really I don't know.
(35:24):
I know that it's my focus, butI don't know that it's
everybody's focus, but it reallyto me, that seems so utterly
important.
It's not just attaining orbeing aware of this enlightened
state, it's more like okay, sohow does that change the way you
experience the world?
Right, yeah, so what do you, um, say for people who are ready?
(35:47):
Let's say they've experiencedthat, they've touched it, they,
they're you know, they're allthe time, but they feel it.
What is your experience withbringing that into the world?
As somebody is learning to dothat Like, what are the most
important things for somebody tounderstand about the process of
(36:08):
bringing that awakening, thatawakened experience into their
everyday life?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, first, that has to be an intention of theirs,
right To do that.
Then to be open to embodyingthat, which means then,
self-work, right?
So what are my blocks, what aremy resistance to being an
(36:35):
embodied Christ's presence onthe earth?
I'm not talking about religion,but crisis awareness, meaning
that field of of unconditionallove and oneness and joy and
peace and all that right.
So it doesn't have a connectionwith religion at all, or even a
spiritual path, for that matter.
So what are my resistance, mydoubts?
(36:57):
Uh, any traumas that arerelated to blockages in my field
that would prevent that.
So they have to look at like,okay, where are my doubts, where
are my fears?
Basically, so doubts and fearsare like a brother and sister
act.
They are that like the essence.
When you get to those two andyou become aware of all of that
(37:23):
that is in your field, thenyou're good to go.
So think about this If youdidn't have any doubt about
anything and you were fearless,what is there left?
Right, there's no resistanceleft.
You'd be free Energetically,you'd be a clear channel.
(37:43):
If you were fearless, thatmeans no anxiety, because
anxiety comes from fear andworry and you had no doubts
about yourself, who you are whatyou are and what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Good to go, in my opinion.
So, then, living you're sayingthat living from that space is
really more of the physicalmanifestation or the physical
presentation of bringing thespiritually aware experience
into your life.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Okay, let's put it.
Yeah, let's put it this way.
So, if there is no fear anddoubt in the mind, and then that
allows your spirit, your cosmicsoul, to be, uh, naturally
aligned with, uh, your emotionalmakeup, which is part of your
(38:38):
passion and your inspiration,then there's a free flow of
creation right that's how I seeit.
So, in other words, if we chooseto become self-aware, which
means awake, or enlightened inlight, and in light men using
(39:03):
play on words, in, in.
So if you go in, I am light,l-h-h-t men, m-e-n instead of
the usual enlightenment, you see, you kind of got a thing of oh
men, which also means women yeah, the light is in.
Yeah, okay I sometimes play withwords yeah that sound the same,
(39:27):
maybe not spelled the same, butyeah, but anyway.
So, getting back, I think whatyeshua tried to exemplify in the
40, the so-called 40 days andnights in the desert, in the
wilderness, where he confrontedall of his fears, doubts and
(39:49):
uncertainties, he did.
He wasn't perfect.
He mirrored the human conditionin the sense of the human
makeup, condition in the senseof the human makeup, but he
taught himself and he was givenguidance on how to clear his
field every day, so he didn'ttake his stuff into the dream
time at night when he wassleeping, so to speak, but
(40:12):
anyway.
So those 40 days and nights inthe desert was really about him
finishing up with any lingeringself-doubts about his mission.
Now, what comes after that?
Historically?
This is where I would get a lotof argument.
(40:32):
But let's just say, from thetime of his desert experience
and his unknown years, he wentand traveled and studied with
all the masters pretty much onthe planet at that time by
located or he walked really fast.
He went to a lot of differentcountries and studied
(40:56):
esoterically with the mastersand was able to connect with his
akashic records, the collectiveakashic records, um his divine
purpose in that lifetime, up tothe point of him being betrayed
by the so-called judas character.
(41:17):
Uh, I don't want to speak whathappens after that, because
that's not my experience and sotherefore, probably a lot of
people would argue with what Iwould say after that point.
But we're not going to go pastthat, at least today.
But the whole his life wasnothing but symbology for us to
(41:43):
rock in a sense.
Well, what really is themeaning of all that?
The Sermon on the Mount, whatreally was that?
The Descent of the Dove and theLight what was that all about?
The resurrection part, all ofthat.
The transfiguration, all ofthat what was all that about?
All of that, thetransfiguration, all of that,
(42:04):
what was all that about?
So if you look at allegory, youlook at, probably like Islam,
the allegory of Islam and theBuddhist texts.
It's really supposed to beallegories and symbols that
would stimulate your idea oflike.
All right, how do you wake up?
Well, wait a minute, how are weasleep in the first place?
Tell me about that, right.
(42:25):
How did I fall asleep so that Ihave to wake up?
I don't even know that story.
Well, so in the literature, wayback in the literature, I
forget what religion in a sense.
Uh, I remember this from like40 years ago.
You know certain things youremember because you need to
(42:46):
remember these little tidbitsfor like later on.
So it was said that a greatspell came upon the earth and I
could literally see this energycoming upon the earth and
putting people to sleep, like inthis kind of hypnotic, negative
hypnotic state right, andpeople fell asleep.
(43:08):
So we are choosing to wake upfrom that sleep because being
asleep is too painful now, asyou talked about, it's too
painful.
Life is too hard.
Being asleep's got to shiftright somehow.
I've got to wake up or I've gotto, like, see things with new
eyes or a new brain yeah, andfor me, I like I just I had
(43:36):
great difficulty.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
You know, for me, for some reason, it was very easy
to shift into this.
Okay, I'm ready to drop itbecause it was so painful.
But I see this in everyday lifewith everybody.
It's just like okay.
And my kids harass me all thetime because they tell me
something's happening.
I'm like, well, are youenjoying that feeling you're
having?
You really enjoying thisexperience?
(43:59):
I like that, oh God, I likethat?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
oh god, I like that.
Write that down.
Are you enjoying the feelingyou're having?
Oh, I love that.
Tell, tell whoever said thatthat that comes up.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
That was like a high five, that was like cool yeah
yeah, so they kind of mock itback to me, but they and then
they go about their business.
But they know that there'salways this underlying I can
choose to experience somethingdifferent if I want, right yeah
that's.
I guess that's my frustration,as even at this age in my life
(44:31):
and this location that I this,that I exist in, it's like you
know, even the politicallandscape or the economical
landscape.
If we don't like what we'reseeing, why are we not working
at either changing ourperspective or changing the way
we operate?
Or, you know, make the change.
You're the one here in theexperience, you know.
(44:52):
Yes, I have one last questionfor you.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
It's in regard to that I am in complete agreement
that we create our world aroundus.
Everybody does, and we allexperience different,
technically different worlds,because we all have a different
perspective.
What is your, what do you haveto say to people who are not
quite to that space where theycan really swallow that
(45:19):
information, to that space wherethey can really swallow that
information?
I know that it can be hard,because with that information
also comes responsibility.
It comes freedom andresponsibility at the same time.
So for somebody who's likeright on the edge of starting to
recognize that in fact, theyare the ones creating this,
whether it be consciously,subconsciously, whatever what do
(45:40):
you say about?
How can they maybe make thatshift to go off the ledge, to
fully embody that?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I think the comedy team would like to respond to
that.
So maybe if I was, if thatperson was physically in front
of me we're just having aconversation and someone came up
I might respond by saying who'sexperiencing this, who's
(46:09):
experiencing this?
Now, that's an existentialapproach that might get them to
really like think you know in adifferent way, because it's not
something you can just answer.
Think you know in a differentway, cause it's not something
you can just answer.
It's not a cookie cutter answerquestion, that that you can
answer like in five seconds.
But who is experiencing thissuffering?
Speaker 1 (46:34):
That reminds me of Michael Singer's response to
people who talk about how theycan't meditate.
Or this is I, do that, so I andhe's like, how do you know?
Yeah, yeah, well, so ultimatelythe real question is who am I?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
and that's connecting with the true self and then
bringing that into this 3d worldin your 3d experience well, it
does appear from, uh, hearingand reading about different so
called gurus in our history thatthey all essentially teach yes,
(47:10):
who am I?
But I would say more of you'rereally more of a what than you
are of a who.
So so, what are you?
I like the what are you and howare you serving?
How are you serving?
Nobody asks that question.
(47:30):
People don't ask it ofthemselves.
Well, how am I serving today?
What does that even mean?
But here's my thing.
I just try to live by thegolden rule because, as a little
kid exposed to that, that wasone of the other few teachings
that I got from the church thatI thought was really cool, like
(47:53):
the golden rule.
Well, yes, that makes a lot ofcommon sense to me as a little
kid.
Everything else that they'reteaching I don't know, man.
The golden rule.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Right, Because ultimately we are treating
however we treat, whoever wetreat, we are treating ourselves
that way.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Well, we experience it I guess energetically is
another way to put it yeah, howwe see others, that we
experience that in our bodies.
The reflection back, I guess.
But I guess the thing is likebuddha asked is it possible to
be free of suffering?
So that's worry.
(48:38):
So, in contemporary terms, it'sworry.
So, in contemporary terms, it'sworry, anxiety, moms.
Mothers are taught to worryabout their babies and their
kids.
Even when the kids and thebabies grow up to be 35, the
moms still worry because that'snoble, and that's what grandma
said, and that's what auntiesaid, and, uh, right.
(49:00):
So you know that worry justcreates more worry.
It doesn't create lovingsupport.
It actually can make peoplefeel not very comfortable.
So think about this if you knewsomebody was heavily worried
about you because, uh, yourlife's not right right now, it's
all kind of messed up, how doyou feel energetically,
(49:21):
emotionally, receiving thosevibes from that person?
You wouldn't be happy anduplifted.
I don't think you would go intomore of a depression.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, my natural state is to all of a sudden feel
responsibility, and that's ahard lesson that I've learned is
that that energy is not my,their energy is not my
responsibility.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Oh.
So today on on the show, likewhy don't you just quit?
Why don't you just quit?
Speaker 1 (49:51):
I quit.
Well, that's the most freeingthing.
I mean, you know, I'm sure I'mstill learning that lesson, but
it's it.
It has been a big one for me.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, for all me, yeah For all women.
Yeah, you're not responsiblefor your kids happiness, you as
a parent.
It's like this Rudolph Steinersymbology I think, I think it
came from his teachings, camefrom somewhere.
So I read this book about,symbolically, the role of
parents with, with kids.
(50:21):
And so the kids are like thislittle seedling you're planting
in the garden, and so inseedlings, you know when, when
rain, rain comes and wind blows,it could literally destroy the,
the seedling, right.
So you've got to stake it upand maybe put a little wire
fence around it so the deerdon't come to eat it up.
(50:42):
You like that.
So that's the parents role isto be like the, the, the fencing
around the seedling and thestake so that the child can have
a grow up with a straight spine, in a sense.
Right, that's all parents arerequired to do yeah right, it's
(51:05):
that little guidance and support, nothing else.
So how they end up is not yourresponsibility, not your problem
.
Yeah, right and just.
And if your kid grows up to bea genius, well, it doesn't
necessarily reflect upon you asa person, in a sense, because
(51:26):
they have their own life.
But you know, this site hasthis interesting thing about how
, like, sons want to be liketheir dads and daughters want to
be like their mom and evenphysically kind of look alike
and stuff and copy the same kindof characteristics and traits
and stuff.
That just means, I think, frommy perspective, that they're not
(51:50):
at the level yet of developingtheir own unique characteristics
, shall we say their uniquehuman signature in a sense.
So they gotta copy dad, theygotta copy mom, or they gotta
lean on dad or lean on mom.
And then the parents care, yes,want the kids to get a's and
(52:11):
like become a doctor or a lawyer, and no, mom, I don't want to
do that, I want to be a horsetrainer, what?
Speaker 1 (52:21):
and then they wind up having to unlearn or recognize
that that is not their, uh,their soul's path.
Yeah, yeah see.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
So we're learning about sovereignty, about
breaking away from tradition.
Tradition had its place in thecurrent age.
It doesn't have a place in now.
I mean, the Piscean Age doesn'thave a place in this Aquarian
Age.
It is like this age is aboutreally starting afresh with new
(52:53):
ideas, new concepts, new ways ofdoing everything, which is
going to be very challenging.
New ways of doing everythingwhich is going to be very
challenging, because if we tryto build this new world, this
new earth from the past, it'snot going to succeed.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
No, those patterns don't work.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, it's like your kids go.
Yeah, how are you liking?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
that experience, mom.
I love that.
Oh, they throw it back to me,don't worry.
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It's been my experience so farthat stepping into
self-realization is a processand it's an ongoing process.
What is your, because you're soexperienced at doing all of
this with so many people?
What is your experience withnot only people's expectations
of what really connecting orbringing the spirit world into
(00:52):
the physical experience isversus the way that it actually
pans out in quote, reality?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
well, given that we do create our experiences
through our belief systems andour emotional makeup and we do
have a pre-designed soul path,in a sense of what we, as far as
(01:24):
learning lessons or as far asearth, experiences we how shall
we say?
We pre-designed it before wecame in.
But of course our soul designis always subject to change,
obviously.
So I'm not setting a sconeshould change obviously
(01:49):
something not set in scone.
But you know when peopleadvertise and promote about
instantaneous and then you fillin the blank yeah it really
doesn't work that way, in asense of how they market, uh,
that idea or concept.
Think of it this way.
And everything is an evolution.
(02:12):
Everything is growing,expanding learning, maybe
unlearning, relearning.
So if that's true, if you, forreason, decide to go from step A
to step M without including allthe other steps in between, I
(02:34):
don't think that's possible.
And even if you did do that, itmight be overwhelming to your
physical body and your brain.
Think of it energetically.
So my experience has been, andnot to say that it's everybody's
experience, but life is aprocess.
(02:57):
We learn every year about awhole lot of things and we
mature.
So think of it this way everyyear about a whole lot of things
and we mature.
So think of it this way.
Can you teach a baby that's sixmonths old algebra?
Probably not possible.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Right, because the brain is not developed to handle
that information, for one thing.
So think about this way Peopleare immature energetically and
spiritually but they try to likehave it all now, raise a
kundalini and whatnot, maybeblow out their brain or have a
stroke or something.
Not a good idea.
(03:39):
The point is is that if weconsciously intend, through our
prayers every day, to master thenext step that's in our life,
we can't go wrong, because theonly thing you can do anyway is
take the next step.
(04:00):
I've had people in the pastcome and say Kenji, I want it
all.
You know meaning, like give methe enlightened experience, give
me the full thing, right?
And I would say well, I don'tknow if you really want to do
that, because your brain mightnot be able to handle that
information and we'd go intooverload and you would probably
(04:20):
implode or explode.
But you could always take yournext step.
So that's my sense.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, would you say that, like when we're meditating
or whatever whatever word youwant to use for it when we're in
the zone that we do getglimpses of what that is, and of
course it's in small chunks,and then you come back to
whatever your actual physicalreality is.
(04:49):
So in a sense, that's kind ofpreparing you for what is to
come.
So it's energetically preparingyou for that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, exactly, that's common sense.
Right, you have to spin food ababy you can't shove a whole
meal down a baby's throat right,the baby has to learn how to
chew and swallow and digest andeverything.
And you know, when peoplemarket and promote about instant
(05:26):
manifestation, well, I like touse analogy of someone that
wants to become an athlete.
Well, they have to start aregimen, right, they have to get
on the right kind of diet.
They have to do psychologicalpreparation.
They have to physically start aregimen that build up the
(05:47):
muscles to train the muscles, totrain the body, mind in their
sport that they want to, youknow, participate in so same
thing energetically.
We have to build up ourenergetic muscles to be able to
handle these higher states.
(06:07):
Yes, so we get glimpses of whatcould be.
But also, you know, we have tocreate the, tell it technically,
we have to create the channelsto be clear.
Like your kundalini channelshave to be clear, your chakra
channels have to be clear.
The how shall we say?
(06:28):
The nadis in your aura, yourfield have to be clear, because
if you try to bring in thisintense vibration and you have
distortions and blocks in yourfield, obviously, right, it's
going to hurt.
This may be painful.
Things will come up in yourbody that will be very weird and
strange.
Maybe medical conditions orpsychiatric conditions symptoms
(06:55):
yeah so it's always obviouslygood to prepare, no matter what
you do in life.
It's it's important to buildthe foundation, like Jesus says
Build your house on a strongfoundation so when the storm
comes, your house won't getwashed away.
So how many people do you knowthat have become kind of
(07:17):
airy-fairy because you know,like they tapped into the upper
atmosphere, so to speak, butlack the grounding and the
stability and the centerednessof the body and earth life?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
That's a super interesting question because
actually I just mentioned thisyesterday.
You know there are people in ourline of work that they are very
articulate and they'reexperienced at talking about
this stuff.
But yet you can also see and Idon't know if I'm correct in
(07:56):
this, I would love to have yourinput on it but you can also see
that the ego and the mind arevery much still in the way, and
so what I typically sense fromthose people is that and I'm
sure I'm one of them, right, I'mnot exempting myself from that
but I typically notice thateither the mind or the ego or
(08:18):
the belief systems cause I liketo call it congestions where
energy may come in, but then allof a sudden it gets.
You know, there's a, there's asticky point where it doesn't
flow through, because when itflows through it feels more like
I don't know, kind of like whenyou walk out in the sun and
(08:39):
it's like all of a sudden,everything is warm and all of it
.
You know you can breathe and itall makes kind of.
It all makes sense, because itdoes also go with the mind as
well.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But I would say that the majority of people Really
thing, are these teachers, theseprophets of the new age, so to
speak?
A little comedy, team insertionthere, team in search in there.
So are they teaching fromexperience or are they teaching
from book knowledge and videoviewing and, uh, listening to
(09:14):
other people, uh, from whatother people have said in
retreats and workshops?
See, that's, that's thedifference.
Are they teaching from stillthe mental body or are they
teaching from direct experience?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Right and the ones that come from direct experience
.
Even if they have as they do,because they're here right, they
still have an ego, they stillhave the mind.
It feels like this very healthyacknowledgement of and respect
for that part of them and um,and because they have distanced
(09:50):
themselves enough from that, theconversations don't get stuck
on that part does or doesn't?
does not yeah I mean, it may, itmay go by that and we may
experience that, but there'stypically with those kind of
people, it's usually there's anacknowledgement that oh well,
that might be my ego talking oryou know something to that
effect, and then you just kindof, then you understand, it's
(10:12):
just this, a human presentationof this energy.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Well, let me see here , I got to make an adjustment
here.
Here's the thing with let mesee, okay, I think that's good.
Let me see, okay, I thinkthat's good.
Are you in service to self orothers?
That's another question.
When you're teaching and youprobably notice this, I didn't
(10:40):
notice it up until the so-calledlockdown, and then things
started to rise in thecollective right, people's
unconscious plus their gifts, Imean the whole thing, right, I
didn't know really whatnarcissism was until I started
watching videos and other thingsand I go, wow, so that's what
(11:06):
that is, and that's all about me.
Hollywood types, certainspiritual types, people that are
famous, people that have money,people that have power Never
understood it, but I can see itnow.
Now, but I didn't know what itwas before.
(11:27):
But that's an interestingphenomenon, right?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
is that you've?
You're saying that, uh, whencovet happened, that, uh, you
started to notice that more inthe, in the, just the people you
were interacting with justgeneral, including the spiritual
movement.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know people that are on TV, people that are in
movies.
I think it's very interesting.
But again, I think the questiongoes back to are you serving
yourself or are you in servicefor others?
I've always known that I wantedto learn and teach healing work
(12:06):
, for lack of a better term.
This was back in when I was ateenager, actually, so this goes
to 1960s.
But I didn't know how it wouldcome about.
I didn't know the form, I justknew that I was fascinated with
the esoteric teachings of Jesus,not what you read in the Bible,
because I knew that.
(12:27):
I knew that what really is inthe Bible is very distorted.
So where are his teachingsright?
So then we have the scrolls andall that stuff right, and the
Essene teachings.
They give a little more insightinto that and, like, how did
Buddha attain what he attained?
How did he do that?
(12:47):
These were fascinating subjectsto me as I was growing up.
So that was kind of my search,my search for, uh, the meaning
of Jesus, well, what herepresented, and like what
Buddha represented, because Ialways felt I could blend the
east and the west traditionstogether somehow, you know,
synthesize the spiritualteachings of the east, like they
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came out of india and thehimalayas and northern china, uh
, taoism, uh, and blend it withthe esoteric Western thought,
not so much Christianity, butlike Greek philosophy and like
Plato's teachings and SocratesFascinating.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
And did you find that calling partially because you
came from the Westernenvironment, where that kind of
approach was more acceptable, ordo you feel like you were
really driven to that becauseit's something that's of
interest to you?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
well, I think it's part of my calling, it was part
of my soul makeup, so it's notsomething that I had to decide.
Oh yeah, I want to study this.
It was like over there as anurge, you know, like an urge,
like like you can't deny it.
It's like you can feel it inyour body.
Yeah, that kind of force, Iguess.
So I went into philosophy myfirst year in college and I
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loved it.
I had this philosophy teacherthat never gave A's.
That was a rumor.
He never gave A's and hisclasses was always like five
students, six students, whichwas true, because I took four of
his classes and they're like myfive students in the whole
class, right, which could easilybe 20 or more, and I got A's.
(14:33):
So that showed me somethingabout my, my interest, my innate
interest in, in and kind oflike everything from like New
Zealand, the Maori and theAborigines in Australia all the
way up through like the EasternIndian, maybe even pre-Buddhist
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thought to contemporary thought.
That's fascinating.
But I knew I couldn't earn aliving being a philosophy
teacher.
Let's say, or you know, gettinga degree in philosophy, like a
PhD in philosophy.
Well, what's that going to getyou?
What kind of a job can they getyou, so I gave that up, you
(15:28):
know, as far as a degree focus.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So you have enjoyed pulling in the different
presentations.
Would you say that it's reallydifferent presentations of the
same kind of idea or ideas LikeI feel like if you look at and
of course I don't think I'mnearly as experienced as you are
in terms of looking at thehistory of different spiritual
experiences, but of the onesthat I have been involved with
what I have noticed there is, ifyou look beyond the words, you
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look beyond the human presentingthe information and you really
look at what the information,the essence of what they're
trying to say, so not cloaked inthe ego, let's say, or in the
mind or in the construct of thesociety in which it was created,
you see something very similarall throughout all of the
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civilizations who come up withthese spiritual teachings.
I haven't studied the Tao ingreat depth, but what I've
studied of the Tao boom that was.
I just loved it.
I was like, oh yeah, that isspot on.
Talk about not wasting energywith words or any of that other
stuff.
You can just get straight to it.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, I would say, as an organized body of thought,
taoism comes closest to thesimplicity of what is and can be
.
Yeah, plus, it's very beautifulin a poetic sense, in a visual
sense of how art and sculpturemanifests through that
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particular thought perspective.
Yeah, it's very beautiful.
I've always been attracted toZen in the sense of it gets to
the essence of stuff, yeah, anddoesn't even include the clutter
of Western contemporary mentalbody thought in a sense.
So, yeah, if we were talkingabout, like, what's the closest
(17:25):
thing to the essence, that to mewould be it.
And yes or no to your question.
Here's the thing who teaches andI think this is important
(17:47):
because I think the lockdownbrought this up regarding, like,
what is what is true?
What is true right now foreverybody on this planet?
And everybody's got an opinionabout everything, right, and not
a lot of people can agree, Alot of people can disagree, as
you can see, and some peopledon't care and some people
(18:12):
really care.
But what perspective teachesabout how to discern the truth
so that you know who you are inin essence, which would mean,
then, you know what you are andhow you are serving and your
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purpose given, given that theidea is that when one fully
connects to the essence of self,then everything is given, like
that biblical saying seek yefirst the kingdom, and all
things shall be given to thee.
I always resonated with that asa young kid.
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Not too many stuff from thechurch, but that was one of them
and the golden rule of course.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I thought, yeah, everybody should do that, then
we wouldn't have any wars sowhat you're saying is um well,
actually I'm doing a masterclass on this this week um, I
call that the true self.
I think to the essence of that,which is the oneness right yeah
(19:23):
um, so would you say that mostum spiritual paths, essentially,
are aiming to reach that trueself well, yeah, each religious
spiritual path is an attempt.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, like yoga.
What is the difference?
Yoga, it's union with all.
That is right.
You can't get any morecomplicated than that.
I mean, that's pretty simple,right.
That that's the.
The goal of yoga is union withgod or union with creation.
But how many yoga teachersreally teach that from an
(20:06):
experiential point of view?
I don't hear of uh, of that,I've not heard of that.
Sure, anybody can teach.
Okay, do this pose, breathe now, bring your focus here, let go
of this and all that.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But super okay.
That's really interesting to mebecause I I totally agree with
you.
So my answer to that firstquestion was um, first off, I'm
not involved with a lot of yogapeople, but what I have
understood is that if they cometo that understanding, it's
almost by accident in a way it'sunplanned, but then, as you
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describe that, it's more likeokay, well, right, you're
training all these yoga teachersto spread all this stuff.
Well, they need somethingphysical to do, right, but to
teach the essence of how do youconnect to that oneness, right
you connect to, how do youconnect to that oneness right in
(21:10):
that avenue it's physicalmovement or breathing techniques
or whatever all the rest yogais right, which is involved in
every well, you know, I think itgoes deeper than that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think it is where you put your attention oh yeah
right, yeah, beyond, okay, I'mgoing to do the sunrise pose now
, or or I'm going to go into afull lotus position.
Here it is, it's beyond thatand it's even beyond the breath.
All of that are like littlepieces, tools to like prepare
(21:38):
the state yeah.
Yeah, I've noticed this withpractitioners of any kind of
healing modality their focus,primarily, is still on the
technique and not on the essenceof what the technique can
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support and produce, in a sense.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I think that, personally, I think that's the
difference between programs likeyours and the intention with
the program like mine is thatit's not the program itself.
Yes, it has a container.
Yes, we, you know, maybe weagree to meet at a certain time,
we're doing something specific.
Maybe it's physical, maybe it'snot, you know, maybe we agree
to meet at a certain time, we'redoing something specific.
(22:27):
Maybe it's physical, maybe it'snot, you know.
But, and though, like you said,those are tools, but they're
tools to get to this place.
You know I'm using the wordrecognition or reconnect, or,
you know, that's not even theright word.
It's like almost alignment orsomething that's a way to almost
open your eyes, not yourphysical eyes, but open your
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awareness, to recognize theconnection, and that's the thing
that we're all searching for.
And you can't say that there'sonly one path and you can't say
that this is the right path andthat's not the right path, and
so then it becomes veryconfusing, I think, for a lot of
us who are of the 3d that's whyI like the dallas idea.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Right, there's no path.
There's no path, carry wood,chop water okay right, just live
, right yeah and after yourlightning experience, continue
to do the same right so.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
So in that vein, okay , so we're all whether it's kind
of ironic to me that you knowsomebody listening to this might
be on the path to try and getto this attainment of oneness
and awakening, or what have you.
They still have to carry woodchop water, just like everybody
does have to carry wood chopwater, just like everybody does.
(23:51):
And what I am most curiousabout right now is what, in your
experience, has been for peoplewho are going along that path.
They carry wood chop water.
How is the carry wood chopwater part different for
somebody who's going along thatpath versus somebody who isn't
really awake?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I guess okay, one path contains a lot of joy and
peace and harmony, and the otherpath contains a lot of stress
and worry yeah, so they'rehappier in general well, yeah,
well, you, from your experience,from the work when you're in
the quantum, the zone, well,there's no thoughts, there's no
(24:30):
pain, there's no fear, right?
right, yeah, yeah and, as we say, that's your natural state,
spiritually speaking.
And then what about the idea ofembodying that frequency or
vibration or consciousness inyour body which has never been
done before in a collective way?
(24:52):
And that's a challenge because,as you know, people that don't
have a lot of physical supportin doing their spiritual trip is
it becomes very difficult, in asense, physical support in
doing their spiritual trip is itbecomes?
very difficult.
In a sense, you feel alone andand, uh, you know you wish you
had more tribe around you andstuff.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
But maybe that's the challenge, maybe it is standing
alone, in a sense, in this fieldin the midst of the storm well,
I would argue to say that, muchlike people are called it, call
it the dark night of the soul,I think the people who are
(25:34):
oftentimes driven along thispath are essentially they wind
up finding themselves in thatpredicament that you're
describing.
They feel alone, they don'thave support.
It becomes very difficult, butyet there's some sort of drive,
like you're talking about, yourpull to continue on this path,
and it's almost I mean, it'svery similar to this idea of
(25:55):
digging your heels in right.
Yeah, and just saying you know,like for me I just knew this
quote reality that the world waspresenting to me just simply
could not be right yeah, there'ssomething wrong with this
picture.
Wait a minute, I'm gonna changethe channel here yeah, that's
exactly what I wanted to do, butfor me it wasn't even just that
(26:16):
, it was also physical.
It was not only physical in mybody, but it was also physically
around me and um, and basicallythat, that that other path that
you're talking about, which isfilled with stress and
discomfort, and all of thatstuff.
I was just so fed up with thatI just, you know, like the
almost the body, or the mentalmind or the emotional body or
(26:37):
whatever all of that just getstired and says you know what, I
don't need that anymore.
It doesn't matter mycircumstances, I'm going to find
a way out, and, and, and, and.
I feel like that oftentimes,which I think that's why we have
these circumstances, and I'vebeen told before that you know,
people who become healers orwhat have you, oftentimes have
(26:57):
these traumatic lives so thatthey, they are forced to go
there.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That's again the old Piscean perspective.
So we're in the Aquarianastrological field.
Now, right, we've moved on thePiscean field of learning
through pain and suffering,learning through friction.
The Aquarian vibration is verydifferent to that.
(27:24):
The Aquarian vibration is verydifferent to that.
So, yes, we can still havetraumatic events that wake us up
.
We could have continual darknight of the soul, midlife
crisis, existential crisis.
Saturn returns, near-deathexperiences.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
We could have all of that, or we can learn through
joy yeah, and I definitely feelyou with children, that I have
my children and the young peopleof today.
They can see the pain of thepast and they're like no thanks
yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a verydifferent learning experience.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Right, learning through joy.
Still have the challenges, notlike not going to have any
challenges, but would you rathergo through it with struggle and
a lot of worry or go through itwith a lot of harmony and
balance, peace and calm andsteady focus?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
what's interesting?
You say that because I Iobserved, so I was a teacher for
a while school teacher yeah,school teacher, and my mother
was a school teacher too, so Isaw them like, um, you know, as
a child, as best a child couldyou even having a parent?
that way you see the shifts andthe generations, like the
classes that go through yeah um,so, and then as I become a
(28:48):
teacher, I see the same thing asI'm just teaching I think I
talked for a little over nineyears but um, and then noticing
my own children as they comeinto the stage where we can kind
of really notice what they'rereally evolving into is, uh, and
honestly, I, I think oldergenerations which probably has
to do with the Piscean, you know, perspective that you're
(29:11):
talking about the oldergenerations tend to be
frustrated at the younger oneswho are like, yeah, no, thank
you.
I mean, it goes down to havinga conversation with somebody
about my daughter's outfit forsomething that was like an
interview, and this person wastelling her you know, what is it
?
What is the kind of outfit youshould be wearing?
(29:31):
What kind of clothing shouldyou be wearing?
And I don't completely disagreewith this person, but I also
know my daughter enough and Ialso know myself enough to know
I'm not going to have thatdiscussion with her because
she's not going to do that, shedoesn't want to do that, it's
(29:52):
yes.
Um, why would I push her to doit?
Because, guess what, I hated ittoo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And why?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
not have a better experience.
You know, you still see, evenin the spiritual community,
because it's like a collectiveconsciousness mindset You're
supposed to wear certain clothesand colors when you go on TV,
when you play sports, you'resupposed to act a certain way,
scream a certain way, yell acertain way, behave a certain
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way, because that's what'sexpected, because that's what
everybody else does.
So, across the board, I stillsee people in, entangled in in
old collective thought formsthat how shall we say?
(30:38):
Uh, are still influential.
And you look at social mediaand the influences there, right?
So?
So if we're getting to talkabout sovereignty and really how
to be free, not only in thisworld but in the other worlds,
we can't be influenced byinfluencers of any kind, be it
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spiritual, social media,political, political media,
media, especially anything thatdisseminates information to the
public, basically.
So what I'm seeing is a lack ofcreative freedom.
(31:21):
I'm, you gotta wear black andyou gotta women, you've gotta
wear man's suit and you gotta beall black so that you're cool
and you're powerful and you knowwhat you're doing, as opposed
to other colors that are, to me,are more colorful and creative,
but but let's just say that.
(31:41):
So black's become very.
Oh, you gotta buy a black carfor sure, man.
So you're really cool becausethat that represents power and
money.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay yeah, which is like this.
It's just total garbage to me,just like I don't know.
I I totally understand whereyou're coming from, so I'm I'm
curious again.
I want to go back to this forthe people who are on the path
to be seeking this awake, let'sjust call it awakening.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't know what, I don't even that's a good term,
yeah, so awakening.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They're on the path to this thing, at least in my
practice, and I, you know, I'vebeen in your group for a while,
so I I feel like we're on thesame page with this, but it's
not like a destination, and itsure is not like somebody else
is actually gonna give you themagic pill or button.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh, what no magic pill, Really?
Oh, I was looking for thecarrot, you know the magic
carrot.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, something like that, right, like
there's some sort of magicthing that all of a sudden this
happens really fast, and ofcourse then you're completely
adjusted, which we've addressedthat it doesn't really happen
like that.
But I feel like there's adisconnect between this.
Maybe they're getting thevision, maybe they're getting
premonitions of what it is to beawakened, but then I feel like
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maybe we tend, as a humanness,we tend to skip over the value
of the process, because the endresult is not as wonderful if
you don't experience the processitself.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
This might be a relevant example People that
take plant medicine and theyhave an experience.
Everybody I've talked to hashad a profound plant experience
that they did that path.
There's been anyone I talked togo and it was okay, didn't
experience much.
They all had an experience thatchanged their lives.
(33:59):
But here's a question and arguethat is synthetic, uh
experience, so it's not reallyreal.
You know, it's like artificialversus if you, through your own
efforts, in a sense produce thatexperience on your own ascent.
But we're not talking aboutthat.
(34:20):
But so the question would beall right.
So are they?
So they have this cosmicexperience or this experience
with the spirit of the plant orthe universe?
Are they being taught orsupported, or even, uh, how
(34:41):
should I say?
Uh well, are they integratingthat experience in their daily
life here on the earth plane?
yes are they making it real forthe body to to how shall I say,
uh, vibrate at a higherfrequency, because that's what
we're moving into, right higherfrequencies.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So that would be the question yeah, that that's a
conversation that occurs, or ithasn't occurred in a while, but
it has occurred in our groupwhere, um, it's exactly that,
okay, that's nice that you hadthat experience, yes, you now,
now you have a glimpse of it.
But what are you doing withthat?
And that's really I don't know.
(35:24):
I know that it's my focus, butI don't know that it's
everybody's focus, but it reallyto me, that seems so utterly
important.
It's not just attaining orbeing aware of this enlightened
state, it's more like okay, sohow does that change the way you
experience the world?
Right, yeah, so what do you, um, say for people who are ready?
(35:47):
Let's say they've experiencedthat, they've touched it, they,
they're you know, they're allthe time, but they feel it.
What is your experience withbringing that into the world?
As somebody is learning to dothat Like, what are the most
important things for somebody tounderstand about the process of
(36:08):
bringing that awakening, thatawakened experience into their
everyday life?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, first, that has to be an intention of theirs,
right To do that.
Then to be open to embodyingthat, which means then,
self-work, right?
So what are my blocks, what aremy resistance to being an
(36:35):
embodied Christ's presence onthe earth?
I'm not talking about religion,but crisis awareness, meaning
that field of of unconditionallove and oneness and joy and
peace and all that right.
So it doesn't have a connectionwith religion at all, or even a
spiritual path, for that matter.
So what are my resistance, mydoubts?
(36:57):
Uh, any traumas that arerelated to blockages in my field
that would prevent that.
So they have to look at like,okay, where are my doubts, where
are my fears?
Basically, so doubts and fearsare like a brother and sister
act.
They are that like the essence.
When you get to those two andyou become aware of all of that
(37:23):
that is in your field, thenyou're good to go.
So think about this If youdidn't have any doubt about
anything and you were fearless,what is there left?
Right, there's no resistanceleft.
You'd be free Energetically,you'd be a clear channel.
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If you were fearless, thatmeans no anxiety, because
anxiety comes from fear andworry and you had no doubts
about yourself, who you are whatyou are and what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Good to go, in my opinion.
So, then, living you're sayingthat living from that space is
really more of the physicalmanifestation or the physical
presentation of bringing thespiritually aware experience
into your life.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Okay, let's put it.
Yeah, let's put it this way.
So, if there is no fear anddoubt in the mind, and then that
allows your spirit, your cosmicsoul, to be, uh, naturally
aligned with, uh, your emotionalmakeup, which is part of your
(38:38):
passion and your inspiration,then there's a free flow of
creation right that's how I seeit.
So, in other words, if we chooseto become self-aware, which
means awake, or enlightened inlight, and in light men using
(39:03):
play on words, in, in.
So if you go in, I am light,l-h-h-t men, m-e-n instead of
the usual enlightenment, you see, you kind of got a thing of oh
men, which also means women yeah, the light is in.
Yeah, okay I sometimes play withwords yeah that sound the same,
(39:27):
maybe not spelled the same, butyeah, but anyway.
So, getting back, I think whatyeshua tried to exemplify in the
40, the so-called 40 days andnights in the desert, in the
wilderness, where he confrontedall of his fears, doubts and
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uncertainties, he did.
He wasn't perfect.
He mirrored the human conditionin the sense of the human
makeup, condition in the senseof the human makeup, but he
taught himself and he was givenguidance on how to clear his
field every day, so he didn'ttake his stuff into the dream
time at night when he wassleeping, so to speak, but
(40:12):
anyway.
So those 40 days and nights inthe desert was really about him
finishing up with any lingeringself-doubts about his mission.
Now, what comes after that?
Historically?
This is where I would get a lotof argument.
(40:32):
But let's just say, from thetime of his desert experience
and his unknown years, he wentand traveled and studied with
all the masters pretty much onthe planet at that time by
located or he walked really fast.
He went to a lot of differentcountries and studied
(40:56):
esoterically with the mastersand was able to connect with his
akashic records, the collectiveakashic records, um his divine
purpose in that lifetime, up tothe point of him being betrayed
by the so-called judas character.
(41:17):
Uh, I don't want to speak whathappens after that, because
that's not my experience and sotherefore, probably a lot of
people would argue with what Iwould say after that point.
But we're not going to go pastthat, at least today.
But the whole his life wasnothing but symbology for us to
(41:43):
rock in a sense.
Well, what really is themeaning of all that?
The Sermon on the Mount, whatreally was that?
The Descent of the Dove and theLight what was that all about?
The resurrection part, all ofthat.
The transfiguration, all ofthat what was all that about?
All of that, thetransfiguration, all of that,
(42:04):
what was all that about?
So if you look at allegory, youlook at, probably like Islam,
the allegory of Islam and theBuddhist texts.
It's really supposed to beallegories and symbols that
would stimulate your idea oflike.
All right, how do you wake up?
Well, wait a minute, how are weasleep in the first place?
Tell me about that, right.
(42:25):
How did I fall asleep so that Ihave to wake up?
I don't even know that story.
Well, so in the literature, wayback in the literature, I
forget what religion in a sense.
Uh, I remember this from like40 years ago.
You know certain things youremember because you need to
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remember these little tidbitsfor like later on.
So it was said that a greatspell came upon the earth and I
could literally see this energycoming upon the earth and
putting people to sleep, like inthis kind of hypnotic, negative
hypnotic state right, andpeople fell asleep.
(43:08):
So we are choosing to wake upfrom that sleep because being
asleep is too painful now, asyou talked about, it's too
painful.
Life is too hard.
Being asleep's got to shiftright somehow.
I've got to wake up or I've gotto, like, see things with new
eyes or a new brain yeah, andfor me, I like I just I had
(43:36):
great difficulty.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
You know, for me, for some reason, it was very easy
to shift into this.
Okay, I'm ready to drop itbecause it was so painful.
But I see this in everyday lifewith everybody.
It's just like okay.
And my kids harass me all thetime because they tell me
something's happening.
I'm like, well, are youenjoying that feeling you're
having?
You really enjoying thisexperience?
(43:59):
I like that, oh God, I likethat?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
oh god, I like that.
Write that down.
Are you enjoying the feelingyou're having?
Oh, I love that.
Tell, tell whoever said thatthat that comes up.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
That was like a high five, that was like cool yeah
yeah, so they kind of mock itback to me, but they and then
they go about their business.
But they know that there'salways this underlying I can
choose to experience somethingdifferent if I want, right yeah
that's.
I guess that's my frustration,as even at this age in my life
(44:31):
and this location that I this,that I exist in, it's like you
know, even the politicallandscape or the economical
landscape.
If we don't like what we'reseeing, why are we not working
at either changing ourperspective or changing the way
we operate?
Or, you know, make the change.
You're the one here in theexperience, you know.
(44:52):
Yes, I have one last questionfor you.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
It's in regard to that I am in complete agreement
that we create our world aroundus.
Everybody does, and we allexperience different,
technically different worlds,because we all have a different
perspective.
What is your, what do you haveto say to people who are not
quite to that space where theycan really swallow that
(45:19):
information, to that space wherethey can really swallow that
information?
I know that it can be hard,because with that information
also comes responsibility.
It comes freedom andresponsibility at the same time.
So for somebody who's likeright on the edge of starting to
recognize that in fact, theyare the ones creating this,
whether it be consciously,subconsciously, whatever what do
(45:40):
you say about?
How can they maybe make thatshift to go off the ledge, to
fully embody that?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I think the comedy team would like to respond to
that.
So maybe if I was, if thatperson was physically in front
of me we're just having aconversation and someone came up
I might respond by saying who'sexperiencing this, who's
(46:09):
experiencing this?
Now, that's an existentialapproach that might get them to
really like think you know in adifferent way, because it's not
something you can just answer.
Think you know in a differentway, cause it's not something
you can just answer.
It's not a cookie cutter answerquestion, that that you can
answer like in five seconds.
But who is experiencing thissuffering?
Speaker 1 (46:34):
That reminds me of Michael Singer's response to
people who talk about how theycan't meditate.
Or this is I, do that, so I andhe's like, how do you know?
Yeah, yeah, well, so ultimatelythe real question is who am I?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
and that's connecting with the true self and then
bringing that into this 3d worldin your 3d experience well, it
does appear from, uh, hearingand reading about different so
called gurus in our history thatthey all essentially teach yes,
(47:10):
who am I?
But I would say more of you'rereally more of a what than you
are of a who.
So so, what are you?
I like the what are you and howare you serving?
How are you serving?
Nobody asks that question.
(47:30):
People don't ask it ofthemselves.
Well, how am I serving today?
What does that even mean?
But here's my thing.
I just try to live by thegolden rule because, as a little
kid exposed to that, that wasone of the other few teachings
that I got from the church thatI thought was really cool, like
(47:53):
the golden rule.
Well, yes, that makes a lot ofcommon sense to me as a little
kid.
Everything else that they'reteaching I don't know, man.
The golden rule.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Right, Because ultimately we are treating
however we treat, whoever wetreat, we are treating ourselves
that way.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Well, we experience it I guess energetically is
another way to put it yeah, howwe see others, that we
experience that in our bodies.
The reflection back, I guess.
But I guess the thing is likebuddha asked is it possible to
be free of suffering?
So that's worry.
(48:38):
So, in contemporary terms, it'sworry.
So, in contemporary terms, it'sworry, anxiety, moms.
Mothers are taught to worryabout their babies and their
kids.
Even when the kids and thebabies grow up to be 35, the
moms still worry because that'snoble, and that's what grandma
said, and that's what auntiesaid, and, uh, right.
(49:00):
So you know that worry justcreates more worry.
It doesn't create lovingsupport.
It actually can make peoplefeel not very comfortable.
So think about this if you knewsomebody was heavily worried
about you because, uh, yourlife's not right right now, it's
all kind of messed up, how doyou feel energetically,
(49:21):
emotionally, receiving thosevibes from that person?
You wouldn't be happy anduplifted.
I don't think you would go intomore of a depression.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yeah, my natural state is to all of a sudden feel
responsibility, and that's ahard lesson that I've learned is
that that energy is not my,their energy is not my
responsibility.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Oh.
So today on on the show, likewhy don't you just quit?
Why don't you just quit?
Speaker 1 (49:51):
I quit.
Well, that's the most freeingthing.
I mean, you know, I'm sure I'mstill learning that lesson, but
it's it.
It has been a big one for me.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, for all me, yeah For all women.
Yeah, you're not responsiblefor your kids happiness, you as
a parent.
It's like this Rudolph Steinersymbology I think, I think it
came from his teachings, camefrom somewhere.
So I read this book about,symbolically, the role of
parents with, with kids.
(50:21):
And so the kids are like thislittle seedling you're planting
in the garden, and so inseedlings, you know when, when
rain, rain comes and wind blows,it could literally destroy the,
the seedling, right.
So you've got to stake it upand maybe put a little wire
fence around it so the deerdon't come to eat it up.
(50:42):
You like that.
So that's the parents role isto be like the, the, the fencing
around the seedling and thestake so that the child can have
a grow up with a straight spine, in a sense.
Right, that's all parents arerequired to do yeah right, it's
(51:05):
that little guidance and support, nothing else.
So how they end up is not yourresponsibility, not your problem
.
Yeah, right and just.
And if your kid grows up to bea genius, well, it doesn't
necessarily reflect upon you asa person, in a sense, because
(51:26):
they have their own life.
But you know, this site hasthis interesting thing about how
, like, sons want to be liketheir dads and daughters want to
be like their mom and evenphysically kind of look alike
and stuff and copy the same kindof characteristics and traits
and stuff.
That just means, I think, frommy perspective, that they're not
(51:50):
at the level yet of developingtheir own unique characteristics
, shall we say their uniquehuman signature in a sense.
So they gotta copy dad, theygotta copy mom, or they gotta
lean on dad or lean on mom.
And then the parents care, yes,want the kids to get a's and
(52:11):
like become a doctor or a lawyer, and no, mom, I don't want to
do that, I want to be a horsetrainer, what?
Speaker 1 (52:21):
and then they wind up having to unlearn or recognize
that that is not their, uh,their soul's path.
Yeah, yeah see.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
So we're learning about sovereignty, about
breaking away from tradition.
Tradition had its place in thecurrent age.
It doesn't have a place in now.
I mean, the Piscean Age doesn'thave a place in this Aquarian
Age.
It is like this age is aboutreally starting afresh with new
(52:53):
ideas, new concepts, new ways ofdoing everything, which is
going to be very challenging.
New ways of doing everythingwhich is going to be very
challenging, because if we tryto build this new world, this
new earth from the past, it'snot going to succeed.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
No, those patterns don't work.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, it's like your kids go.
Yeah, how are you liking?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
that experience, mom.
I love that.
Oh, they throw it back to me,don't worry.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us yes, it's been fun
thanks for listening to thisepisode of mystical and infamous
podcast with the happy lioncenter.
Send requests for topicdiscussions, questions and
(53:39):
comments to podcast athappylioncentercom.
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