June 16, 2024 • 62 mins
Have you ever wondered how a single comment can impact your health? Tune into this uplifting episode of the Mystical Truths Podcast where I chat with Michele about her transformational journey. After a friend’s comment during a recent cruise planted seeds of doubt and fear, Michele made a conscious decision to not follow negative expectations and stay positive. While her friends returned home sick, Michele and her husband remained well, showcasing the profound effect of self-talk and conscious thinking on well-being.
We also delve into the wisdom of trusting your body’s natural ability to heal. Discover how a positive mindset can influence physical health, using historical examples like Jesus’s approach to healing by focusing on wellness. I share a thought-provoking story about a doctor’s visit, contrasting conventional medical advice with the power of intuition and natural healing. We emphasize the importance of maintaining a high vibrational frequency and the role of our thoughts in manifesting health outcomes, particularly during challenging times.
Lastly, we explore the relationship between belief, fear, and intuition in maintaining health. Amid discussions about societal expectations, misconceptions about cleanliness, and the psychological impact of a pandemic, Michele and I highlight the value of listening to our inner guidance system. Through personal stories and insights, we encourage listeners to trust their intuition, embrace hope, and foster resilience. Join us for an enlightening conversation that will inspire you to harness the power of positive thinking and trust in your body’s wisdom.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to the Mystical Truths Podcast.
This is Rebecca, and I'm reallyglad you're here.
Let's unlock your world Intoday's episode.
I'd like to welcome backMichelle.
Hello, michelle.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi Rebecca.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Michelle recently went on a cruise with her
husband and some friends andcame back with an interesting
topic for us to discuss today.
So, michelle, let's start withyou made your plans with your
neighbors, you went on thiscruise and having fun, and then
(00:43):
a comment was made that kind offelt odd.
Tell us what happened.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, this was about.
So it was a nine-day cruise andthis is about day seven into
the cruise and we're sittingwith our neighbors, our friends,
and we're having dinner and thegentleman says you know, we're
going to come back sick fromthis cruise.
We're just, we're going to comeback sick.
And I said I'm not going tothink that.
(01:12):
But you know, rebecca, it'shard, once somebody plants that
idea in your head, it's hard notto attach to it.
And I didn't come back sick,but they did, both of them
actually, which was really kindof interesting.
And so the day after we gotback from our cruise, the woman
(01:36):
called me and said are youfeeling okay?
And I said, yeah, why?
She says, well, I have a cold.
And I said, well, how's yourhusband?
And she said, well, he'sfeeling like he's getting one
too.
And so it's.
We've been back from our cruiselike three weeks now and he has
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since like not only did he geta cold, he also developed
pneumonia.
So it wasn't an illness likeyou might think of, like COVID,
for example.
You know because that seems tobe the big fear of traveling
these days.
But they still came back sick.
You know, my husband and I werefine, but I tell you that I had
(02:24):
to really keep catching myselfbecause that thought, that
statement, kept entering my mindand it was a challenge to keep
it out because, you know, youknow it's already kind of
ingrained in us in the back ofour mind.
(02:46):
Anyway, I follow this psychicand she was saying that one of
her biggest questions from herclients concern health, because
we're so fearful, since thepandemic, of getting sick of our
(03:07):
health.
And I know, I know you say tobe easy about things and you
know, kind of, if things happens, it happens.
But you know, how do, how do we, how do we deal with this,
rebecca?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Self-talk, I mean it does take a lot of self-talk and
the not determination, but thedecision to think well as often
as you can.
It doesn't have to be 100% ofthe time, but you can see how,
for a long time now, even beforethe pandemic, people have been
(03:45):
conditioned to be very concernedabout their health, whether
it's about accidents, injuries,diseases, the body breaking down
.
People have been teaching eachother not everybody, but a lot
to get annual checkups becauseyou know something might go
(04:05):
wrong.
Well, something is going to gowrong at some point.
That's what we're told.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
That is what we're told.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And so we want to keep looking for it.
We're going to keep looking forit because you know we're going
to find it and, of course,something's going to go wrong.
Then, whatever we're expecting,we're getting some version of
and they proved that right, theydid.
Expecting we're getting someversion of, and they proved that
right, they did.
You know, they both expectedthat because I'm sure their
mindset was on this big shiptogether, a lot of people, there
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must be some sick people onhere, and it's just going to
spread across the boat and we'reall going to go home sick.
Now, their belief in that iswhat brought on the illness.
Your ability to not believethat as often as you could is
the thing that sent you home.
Well, because if there was avirus over here, you were
somewhere else.
It is the way life synchronizes.
(05:03):
So when we, whatever we give ourattention to, we're going to
get some more of that, and wejust have to keep reminding
ourselves of that because,you're right, once somebody
makes a comment like that, youcan't unhear it, but you don't
have to believe it and you don'thave to let it keep, sort of
regurgitating.
You can and, and you know, andI'm saying this with can you
(05:27):
imagine somebody else hearingthat comment on that ship that
didn't know what you know aboutpositive thinking, right?
If you think it was difficultfor you not to go there, can you
imagine how difficult it is forthe average person that doesn't
understand how this works,right?
So, yeah, I totally see thechallenge in it and that's why
(05:50):
it's nice to know what we know,but it doesn't mean that we just
sort of know it and then we'reoblivious to everything else
that's happening around us.
We still hear those comments,you know.
We still hear, we still feel theenergy of people worrying like
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that, and I think, if we canremind ourselves that everything
is all as well, that we can gohome well and we will go home
well because that's where ourmindset is.
That's what it means when wesay life is always working out
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for me, because if there's anillness that comes your way,
that doesn't mean you didanything wrong necessarily.
It may just be your day to gothrough an experience that has
something of that nature to addto your life for a while.
But you know, I like thatexample because when we make up
our mind about something, we aregoing to get some version of
that.
(06:59):
So how did you, how do youthink it worked for you, to keep
yourself in at least a prettydecent place compared to where
they were at?
On that thought For me.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I had to keep reminding myself to not go there
and I, you know, I listened toyour most recent episode about
the future and one of the thingsthat you said was you know, a
positive thought outweighs amillion negative thoughts, or
something like that, and I thinkthat you know that probably is
(07:35):
what saved me, because it wasyou know as many times as that
would pop into my head.
I'm like I'm not going there.
I'm just not going there andI'm going to, I'm going to stay
healthy, and you know, and Ireally, really try to believe
that, because I feel that youknow, in addition to just
(07:55):
telling us that we need to havebelief in our expectations,
otherwise, I'm not sure that thepositivity works, or maybe it
does.
Maybe you can answer that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well, you know, we can't push against something and
keep it away from us.
It doesn't work that way.
The pandemic was a good example.
You know, people pushed againstCOVID and the pandemic so loud,
so long, so hard that it stayedaround for a long time.
(08:28):
If, instead of being afraid ofit or pushing against it or
trying not to get it, if youjust say to yourself okay, there
are a lot of germs and virusesand whatnot in this world, I'm
not going to pay attention tothem, I'm paying attention to
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what feels good to me, whatlooks good, what's a good idea
for me right now.
So let's say you're on a bigship like that and the vast
majority of people are afraidthey're going to go home sick,
or they're pretty sure they'regoing to go home sick, that
still does not mean that youhave to.
(09:10):
You and your husband could bethe only two leaving that ship.
Well, if you can keep yourselfin the mindset of I'm not
pushing against what everybodyelse is doing, I'm not agreeing
with it, I am just doing whatfeels good to me.
I'm having the experience herethat works for me.
That way, you're not pushingagainst the virus or what
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anybody else is doing with it,but you're also not inviting it
in either.
You're just keeping yourself ina place where you do understand
that these things exist, butyou do understand that wellness
is our nature.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It does make sense.
And I can remember coming to acard reading with you one time
and I asked you how's my health?
And you said to me your bodyknows how to stay healthy.
And so that wasn't actually ananswer, but it was because it.
(10:15):
Then, you know because I can'tnow unthink that either, right,
you know, and so I prefer tothink that then I then I think,
oh, I'm going to get sick, andyou know why?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
that is because pay attention to how you feel when
you think each of those thoughts, when you think my body knows
exactly what to do to be healthyand then you think I might get
sick.
They said that we might get.
They said we're going to gohome sick.
What's the difference infeeling between those two?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Well, there's a huge difference.
I mean there's a hugedifference.
You know one is so positive andyou know the other is so it's.
It's fear inducing.
Yeah, so it's so-inducing.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah.
So it's so simple One feelsgood, one does not feel good.
That's right.
So there's the answer.
When we're thinking aboutsomething that is true,
something that is our nature, itfeels good because all of
creation is giving us feedbackthat says, yes, that's it
(11:25):
exactly.
When we're thinking I could getsick, and we're probably going
to get sick, and that doesn'tfeel good because all of
creation is saying, well, youcould, but that's not really how
we're seeing it, that doesn'tneed to be your possibility.
So, when we pay attention towhat things feel, like, that
(11:46):
gives us a whole lot ofinformation.
Because, like you said, whenyou came to me and you asked,
what about your body, if I wouldhave said to you well, I see,
this is kind of off, I seethere's a problem here or there
is a potential buildup ofsomething that's going to be
trouble, if I would have alertedyou to anything like that, it
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would have brought yourattention to it, and then you
would have kept giving yourattention to it, and then it
would have either developed intosomething or become something
more of something that wasalready there.
So it's my belief that if we sowhat?
If there's stuff going on, yourbody knows what to do with it.
Remind yourself that your bodyknows how to heal itself and get
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on with something else thatfeels good.
You know, and that's exactlywhat Jesus did when people came
to in front of Jesus Jesus justwith all their sicknesses and
whatnot, he didn't see any ofthat.
He saw their wellness.
He saw their wellness so purelythat they saw it too, and
(13:01):
that's how they healed, becausehe even said you all can do this
.
This isn't a trick.
I'm not healed.
Nobody's broken.
I'm not fixing anybody.
I'm just seeing their wellnessso intently that they are now
seeing it too and they'redropping all the resistance that
has brought on all of thesehealth conditions.
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People say, well, we should beaware of what's happening in our
body, we should get a checkupand we should get tests done and
we should make sure thateverything's okay in there.
I'm not saying to not do any ofthose things.
I'm just saying pay attentionto how you feel, do the best you
can to feel good as often asyou can and follow that.
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Let that be the way you be andyou will be fine.
One of my grandsons had streprecently and it's pretty rare
that I get sick, but after anumber of days I thought I
wonder, like my throat feels alittle, is it the weather?
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So I looked at my throat.
Sure enough, there were somewhite spots.
So I thought, okay, I'll go forthe antibiotic.
Just felt like the betteroption.
So I made a doctor'sappointment, which I have not
made in years.
I had to find a new doctorbecause it had been so long and
I have different insurance.
So I made a doctor'sappointment and I went in and in
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the computer she looked and shesaid oh my, you need to have an
EKG, you need a colonoscopy,you need a breast.
What do you call the smashything?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Mammogram.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Mammogram.
That's it Blood work.
She just had this laundry listthat I needed to get done
because I haven't seen a doctorin a long time, because this is
just what we do, so they say so.
She said, okay, so do you wantus to give you these shots while
you're here today?
And I said no.
(15:02):
And she said, well, do you wantto get this test done?
I said no.
I said I came here for anantibiotic and it was astounding
that you know there's just somany things that I should have
had done by this age that I havenot had done.
Everybody can get them done allday long if they want to, but
(15:24):
for me personally, unless I feellike I want to go get one of
those done, I'm not going to go,because I'm listening to my
body and I'm allowing my body totell me if it would like any
help with anything.
Not that it needs it, but if itdoes, I'm in the way somewhere
and that's okay.
(15:44):
That's when we go get the help.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know, my cousin and I had this conversation and
she's she's a nurse, and she Iforget, I honestly forget what
health subject we were talkingabout.
And I said well, you know what,if you just refuse to go and
get the testing done?
And she says, well, then yourdoctor can just refuse to, you
know, be your doctor, becauseyou're not listening to, um,
(16:10):
their advice.
And so I kind of feel likeyou're screwed, that at that
point, because we all want to bethat, it's that safety net,
like just think it's like havinginsurance, you know, just in
case you would ever need adoctor, you should have a doctor
, just in case you would.
You know what I'm saying,because we've been conditioned
(16:33):
to believe that we will.
We will eventually, andexperience has taught us, you
know, that this is true that ithas.
You know, we have needed doctorsin the past.
We have, you know, et cetera,et cetera.
So you know, I feel like we'rekind of up against the wall.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, how does that feel?
Not so great.
It feels very uncomfortable,doesn't it?
Because there's no freedom inthat right.
I'm not free to not have adoctor, I'm not free to have one
.
I'm not free to not have thesetests.
But I really don't want to havethese tests.
We don't have to back ourselvesinto that corner.
Once we understand that we'renot limited at all.
(17:17):
You can have a doctor if youwant one, regardless of what's
been said, because by attraction, if that fits and you want it,
the universe will find a way toprovide it for you.
A doctor will be found for you.
If you don't want to have atest and it feels really good
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not to have that test, you havethe freedom to follow that.
But I think it's important foreverybody to make their own mind
up in any given moment.
My mind isn't made up acrossthe board that I don't need a
doctor If I feel like with theantibiotic.
That just felt like the quickerway to go for me.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So I went with the antibiotic, no big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So I'm not saying no.
I never take any sort oftreatment or whatever.
If it feels like a good fit,I'm all in.
But I'm not in on looking fortrouble that isn't there and
expecting trouble to be thereand then if I don't follow what
they say I should do.
Well, now I'm in the new kindof trouble.
(18:22):
Right, we don't have to be, wedon't have to entertain any of
that.
Once you realize that you'realways guided, source always has
your back on everything.
Perfect timing will synchronizeup beautifully all the time.
If you know that, now you feelvery free, because you realize
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if a test is a good idea, I'llhave one.
If a test isn't needed, I won'thave one.
If I decide I want a doctor,I'll get one.
If I never see a doctor againfor the rest of my life, that's
fine too.
You see what I mean?
Because now, at that point, yourealize that you are free to be
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however you want to be in anygiven moment, because whatever
is good for you in that givenmoment will always be present.
So now nobody else owns yourexperience, but you.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And that's true for everybody right.
Absolutely.
You own your own experience.
You have your own journey.
The thing is is that ourexperiences intertwine with
other people who we're reallyclose with, so what one person
is experiencing another person,like you know.
So if something, um something,comes up with my children, you
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know, then I I've, I'mautomatically pulled into that
and maybe I shouldn't be but it.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But it I don't know.
Well, if something comes up forone of your children, will you
be more helpful to them ifyou're in worry and fear, or
will you be more helpful to themif you're in trust and ease?
Ah, that makes a lot of sense,you see what I mean, and that's
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another thing that Jesus taughtus In the way he beed.
His message was basically if Isee you as sick, if I worry
about you, if I get in the mudwith you, I cannot be of any
good to you, because now we'rejust dirty in the mud together.
But if I can see you as well,if I can see you as just fine
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where you're at, even in all ofyour illness or your disease,
your injury, if I can see thewellness in you, then you may
see it too.
It's okay if you don't, butthat's the only way you really
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stand a chance.
You know, what good would ithave been if he or any other
teacher taught us to figure outwhere our illness came from,
what we did wrong to make ithappen, what we should hurry up
and do to get rid of it.
I mean, that's what we're kindof told we're supposed to do in
conventional ways, but thatdoesn't.
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It's just not working is it?
If it was working, we'd have waymore wellness than we have
illness.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Right, and you know and in some ways it's like you
know we're not allowed to getsick.
You know, if you're working outthere in the workforce, your
employer is not very happy withyou if you are sick, and so that
just does nothing but increasethe fear.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Sure, you know, and that's one thing that the
pandemic did help us with, itmade it more acceptable to be
sick.
In other words, you know,during the pandemic it was oh no
, don't, please don't come towork if you are sick.
But before that it was get inhere.
We don't care, right, just workanyway, take a pill, do
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something, keep working.
So we did have.
We had Just work anyway, take apill, do something, keep
working.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So we did have.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
We had a lot of benefit that came out of the
pandemic and that was one ofthem.
But you're right, employers dostill not want people to be sick
, which makes sense.
You know, you're hiring thesepeople, you want them to show up
and work.
But I think we also have to becompassionate that people do get
sick.
They do get injured.
Does it have to be that way?
(22:41):
No, but is it that way Rightnow?
It is Right, you know.
Is it wrong when somebody getssick or gets hurt?
No, it's not wrong.
We're all on our own journey.
We're all tripping over thingssometimes and, honestly, for
people that don't understand howhealing works, they should pay
attention to any medicalpractitioner that is saying come
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and get your checkups, becausewhen you don't know your body
can heal itself and you don'tknow that your thoughts mean
everything, then you need abackup.
And that's why we haveconventional medicine, because
for a long time we've beenconvinced that life happens to
us, not with us, and when youthink life happens to you,
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there's no power, in that,there's very little power.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's right, but that's also, I think, a hard
concept to truly wrap your headaround.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Sadly it is for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It didn't need to be.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It doesn't have to continue to be, and I think
we're moving away from that forsure.
We're getting better and betterat understanding and
researching even what ourthoughts are about.
What do they mean?
What are they and do they mean?
What are they and do theyreally affect our lives?
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Are they real energy?
Yes, they are.
Your thoughts are real energy.
Because they're real energy,they will attract energy, like
them.
So why in the world, now that weknow this, would we want to
think thoughts that don't feelgood?
Because we know those thoughtsthat we're thinking will
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multiply and something willbecome real to us or tangible
from that at some point,sometimes very quickly.
What do we want those things tobe?
Health, wellness, the things,the items that we like, the
people that we like?
Or do we just want to keeprunning into walls and saying,
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ouch, that hurt.
And then we run into anotherwall?
Ouch, that hurt.
Then we run into another wall,ouch, that hurt.
Run into another wall, ow, thatreally hurt.
See my life, my life has a lotof pain in it.
These walls just keep comingstraight up in front of me and I
hit them because we think lifehappens to us Like all of a
sudden there's a wall or anothershoe drops.
It doesn't happen like that.
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We're pulling it all in, we'recalling it all in every day, all
day long, and there's nopressure there.
Like I've said before, evenwith everything I know and teach
, I still live on this planet ina human body.
I'm still projecting through ahuman body.
So I still have my momentswhere I think thoughts that
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aren't really helping me.
I know enough to catch myself.
Or I see things that I don'tlike and I have to remind myself
that's none of my business,because if I make it my business
, I'm going to get something inthat category in my moments that
are coming forward, and Ireally don't want that.
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In my moments that are comingforward, and I really don't want
that.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And you said earlier that you heard or read something
about another pandemic.
Yeah, so I, and this was awhile ago.
And it said, you know, it waslike one of those Apple news
things Cause I don't watch thenews on TV and the little bit of
news that I do get is usuallyfrom my phone, just in headlines
.
And it said, you know,basically there would, there is
no way we could get aroundanother pandemic.
(26:26):
And then I was sitting with agroup of women celebrating one
of my friend's birthdays andthat the subject of the pandemic
came up, and one of the womensaid well, you know, do you
think that there's going to beanother pandemic?
And this woman, who was in themedical field, said well, I
don't see how there couldn't be,because there's always viruses
(26:51):
around, there's always newviruses that are coming out.
And so you know, yeah, there'sgoing to be another pandemic,
it's just a matter of when.
And I, and I even said to herlook, I, I can't buy into that,
I can't, I can't bring, I can'tallow myself to believe that.
And you know, and maybe thatwas the wrong thing to say, but
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it's so, it's.
I can't do that, I can't, Ican't think about that, you know
, because if I did and I haveenough and I worry enough, you
know, um, maybe because there'salso, I can't allow myself to
think about that because there'sa fear of thinking about that.
I mean, is that possible too?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Sure, but you know, whatever you think about, you're
adding to.
So we have to be very mindfulof what we're adding to right.
So when we're afraid ofsomething, we're adding to that
becoming a thing, when we'rejust even pondering it, we're
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adding to it.
So will there be anotherpandemic?
There does not need to be.
Could there be an epidemicwhich is a lower level?
Does it need to be?
Like you mentioned the lastpodcast I just did the story of
our future, how?
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do we want it to be, becausewhen people keep saying things
like that like well, of coursewe're going to have another
epidemic or pandemic or whatever, of course they're going to be
more people that get cancer, ofcourse they're going to be more
car wrecks, let's just keeptelling that story and then
we're going to have the shitshow for a long time, and then
we're going to have this shitshow for a long time.
Or we can say, yeah, there area lot of bacteria and viruses.
(28:42):
If people only knewmicroscopically what they were
living in every day, it wouldn'tlook pretty.
It just wouldn't look pretty.
I was in the medical professionfor a lot of years and the
things that we don't know thatare on our body, that are useful
actually, that look prettycreepy.
(29:02):
There are good bacteria.
There are ones that we don'tlike so much.
You know.
In my opinion, when we get avirus or something like that,
it's just life's way of sayingokay, you need a timeout, check
out, let your body do what itdoes.
It knows how to decodeeverything.
Just go sleep or do somethingthat just gets you out of the
(29:28):
game, because it's not about thevirus, it's about you needing
to check out of the game for awhile.
That's why these things come atus.
In order for your body to be agood host, it has to be in a
vibrational frequency wherethose bacteria and viruses live.
So if you keep yourself in ahigher vibration than where they
vibrate at, they can't jump on.
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You're not a good host.
They can't survive on you,right?
So that's another way to notjust think of it.
It's another way to see thereality of it.
If you don't want to be a goodhost for trouble, then don't
keep yourself in the vibrationwhere trouble exists, because
those bacteria and virusesthey're not here to torment us.
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They're here as part of thewhole mix.
They're here because this is aworld of contrast and variety
and we do have the wanted andthe unwanted.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Right, and they're doing what they have to to
survive Right.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And they're also doing their part, because when
we need a reminder that we needto check out of the serious
stuff that we've gottenourselves involved with, check
out of the serious stuff thatwe've gotten ourselves involved
with, they're there.
They're there for us, they'rehelping us out, but what have we
been told?
They're bad, they should goaway.
This should never happen.
Be afraid of them.
(30:48):
Why be afraid of them there?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
are teachers.
Well, and in some ways you know, like we've backed ourselves
into getting possibly more illbecause we're so clean.
Now we sanitize everything.
We're always our handsanitizers the washing the hands
(31:16):
, the Clorox wipes, the this,the that, that we don't know
what it's like to reallyexperience and have our bodies
develop antibodies to germs.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well, sure, I mean, it does us no good to live in a
bubble while we're on thisplanet.
It doesn't really help thebody's immunity.
It doesn't help us have fun tolive in a bubble where we're on
this planet.
It doesn't really help thebody's immunity.
It doesn't help us have fun tolive in a bubble where we're
afraid of this planet or thelittle creepy crawly things on
this planet.
You know, our bodies know howto adapt.
Our bodies know how to surviveand be in this environment.
(31:53):
They were designed to do that.
We're the ones that tell thebody environment.
They were designed to do that.
We're the ones that tell thebody oh, you better be careful,
you better sterilize this andyou better sanitize this.
You know, I remember years agowhere we had antibacterial
everything for a while, evenlike the high chair trays were
(32:13):
antibacterial and there were somany and we found out, oops,
that was a problem.
We antibacterial.
And there were so many and wefound out, oops, that was a
problem.
We anti bacterial lies so muchthat we started having a problem
with bacteria.
And the overuse of antibioticswas another problem.
Right, and people not taking afull prescription, taking half
and mutated.
You know all this stuff justbecause we were so concerned
about bacteria.
Well, now we've changed that toviruses, instead of recognizing
(32:38):
that if we just feel good andwe just live in filth, than see
somebody who is in a unhappy,worriful state live in a very,
(33:05):
very clean environment, becausethat one who's in a downer state
will attract something fromthat fresh, clean environment,
that's a problem.
Or that happy person living infilth will not have a problem
because you can't attract whatyou're not equal to.
You know you can walk throughfilth and come out fine.
(33:29):
You know you can walk through aclean environment what looks
like a clean environment andcome out come out with a problem
.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You know, we're so wrapped up in fear.
I think that it's, and ourbelief system, which is has
changed so much, in all honesty,from when I was growing up
because I'm certainly not youngby any means Um, but you were
(33:58):
trying to be, you know, safe.
We're trying to be clean, we'rejust, we're doing everything to
protect ourselves because offear.
And I, although I think that'sgood in some sense, I feel like
you know we're missing out insome ways on fun, on enjoyment.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
We try to figure too much out.
You know, I remember we're justnot as smart as we think we are
as a race.
I remember when I was younger,a few times in elementary school
there was lice and we were toldthat it was the dirty kids, the
kids that weren't well takencare of at home.
(34:50):
And what the world came tofigure out was that lice does
not like dirty hair, it doesn'tlike greasy hair, it likes the
clean hair.
And so people thought they wereso smart to figure out that it
was, you know, the dirty kidsthat were spreading it around,
(35:11):
when lice doesn't even like thatkind of hair.
So it just goes to show youthat we make our minds up about
things, we try to figure thingsout, we assume a lot instead of
just holding our own counselright, what feels true to me,
what feels good to me?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
So, just going off topic for a little bit, like I
really think you know you talkedabout the future and you talk
about, you know, the.
What feels good to me it's, youknow, by moving into that space
where we're just intuitive andby using our intuition, I can
really see that as being a realsource of power.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Absolutely.
You know, it reminds me of likethis is how it like comes
together in my mind is that weare here on this planet with
more guidance than we can evenimagine.
All the time never stops.
It's always there for each oneof us, always.
And this guidance has a broadervision.
It can not only see everythingthat's going on.
(36:14):
It knows all of us, knows whatour preferences are, knows what
our desires are.
All of that we multitask andknow a whole lot when we're not
in a human body.
But right now we are projectingthis focus through this human
body.
And with all of thatintelligence, guidance, love,
here we are banging aroundsaying well, you know what, I'll
(36:37):
just do this myself.
We just sort of tune out all ofthat stuff that is right there
for us, because we've beenconditioned to think we are
doing this alone and that theguidance might be there for
other people but not really forus.
Guidance might be there forother people but not really for
(37:01):
us.
And so we are saying I willfigure this out, I'll decide
what to do.
I'll just make a decision aboutwhat's good for me, I'll look
around and see what other peopleare doing and then I'll make a
belief from that, and we've doneit long enough that it doesn't
take us long at all before wehave the new ones that are
coming and convinced to justlike.
(37:22):
Same thing happened to us.
We came in full of trust,knowing that we have a guidance
system, knowing that if we justpay attention to how we feel,
we'll be fine.
And if we trip, we know thatthere's a good reason why we
tripped.
And if we trip, we know thatthere's a good reason why we
tripped, and we'll go ahead andtake the fall and we'll see what
kind of honey is in there forus and we'll just look forward
(37:43):
to what we want next, becausenow we have new clarity because
of that fall we had.
That's how we came in.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, but I was going to say, you know, I don't think
, sometimes I don't even feellike I have a guidance system,
don't even feel like I have aguidance system.
You know, I know it's there,but I, I don't feel guided in
any way.
So I feel like, you know, whenyou're, when you don't have that
, um, that ability, you feellike you, you are kind of on
(38:11):
your own.
And then the other thing, yeah,yeah, and then when I do feel
like, oh, I'm being guided, Idon't trust it.
Sure, because you know it's adifficult thing to do, because
it happens.
I don't want to say it happensinfrequently, but it doesn't
(38:32):
happen as frequently as notfeeling no guidance does Sure
because it's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And as frequently as not feeling no guidance does
Sure because it's been a longtime.
It's been so long since youfelt the true nature of that
that it can be a challenge totrust it when you do feel it.
Because we get so caught up outthere in the world.
Our attention is out there.
It's not right here where we'reat.
When we can bring our attentionto back here, where we are, and
(39:06):
not just the body, I mean justwhere your consciousness is,
where your real thoughts happen,the more you can be there, the
easier life is going to get, themore you're going to sense your
guidance.
And here's a good question foryou, michelle.
If you're going to sense yourguidance, and and here's a good
question for you, michelle whatdo you if you're being guided?
What does that look like?
How should that show up for you?
What do you want it to looklike?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, I just feel, I like, I feel like this is this
is my right, this is the rightdecision.
Like I know it's not, it's nota matter of there's not a
question in my mind, I just know, you know, and it feels good.
So that's when I feel like I'mbeing guided.
(39:47):
If I have a situation and Idon't, I'm not sure how to
approach it, and I just sit withit for a while and I, if I feel
guided, I'm like oh, I know,this is what I feel, like I need
to do because I'm very feely.
That's more how I am in tunewith the divine or the universe
or whatever my guidance system Ifeel.
(40:08):
But sometimes I just know aswell, and so if it feels right,
if I just know, then I feel likeI'm being gone.
If I but so many times like Ifeel like I'm just in the midst
of chaos and and I'm stuck, I'mlost, I'm just, I just don't
(40:34):
know what to do.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
And that's when you know you're more out there than
you are in here.
Your focus is more out there inthe world than it is right here
where you're at.
So that's when you want to reelyourself back in, that's all
right.
Let me just take a breath andcenter myself again, because
this is where my guidance comesfrom.
It doesn't come from out there,it comes from right here.
(40:57):
Because, as we grow up, we aretaught and we get very used to.
If I want guidance, I go andtalk to somebody, I make an
appointment, I seek a friend, Ihave a conversation, I read a
book, I watch a documentary, Iwrite my pros and cons list.
We've been taught about allthat external stuff when that's
(41:21):
not really where our guidanceoriginates from.
Those things might be anassistance to it, but our true
guidance comes from right hereinside us, where we're at.
Just like you said, you get afeeling this just feels like I
should do it, or this just feelsgood, or I just know, I just
(41:42):
know I want to make this phonecall, or you get a little.
You just heard something in yourmind.
You just heard something and itmakes sense, right, maybe
you're you're wondering oh,which color outfit should I wear
on Saturday?
Which would be the best one forme to wear?
(42:04):
I have three different coloredoutfits.
I like them all, I look good inall of them.
Which one should I wear?
And then you let it go and atsome point you hear the red one
and you think was it me, did I,did, I did?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I hear that Did I just think that.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Just pay attention to how it felt.
You can tell you didn'tgenerate the thought, and then
go wear the red one and get onwith your life.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And that's true.
And that's true Becausesometimes I'll be like, okay,
which, which way should I go toget to a place?
Because you know there'svarious roads that will get you
different ways you can get tothis thing, and I'll say which
road should I take?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
And it's not, it's you know, you just know, you
just know, and we have to watchthat we don't talk ourselves out
of it, because intuition is nota burning bush.
Most often, it's that subtlestuff.
But the more you pay attentionto it and the more you just go
with it, just trust it and gowith it, the more you begin to
(43:06):
remember what that was like,because you knew it as a child,
especially a very young child.
But it's our nature.
So the more we do it, the morewe trust it and the easier
things get.
And now you're not full ofanxiety, you're not trying to
figure things out, you're notafraid of things, because little
(43:27):
by little you're letting go ofall of that and trusting a
little more.
Trusting a little more.
And I would suggest you knowthat anybody that's interested
should just play around withthat.
Start with things that aren'tthat important to you.
You know when you get up youhave a day off.
You know there are some thingsthat you want to get done today,
but just let it roll.
(43:47):
Don't make a plan.
Just let it roll and dowhatever happens to come up next
for you what feels?
I just want to do this.
I want to go over there.
I want to make this phone call.
Just go with it.
At the end of the day, see howthat day went and if you really
could find your flow of ease,you'll look back on that day and
(44:09):
go, wow, I got a lot done today, or I had a lot of fun today,
or both, because getting a lotdone is a lot of fun and I
wasn't freaking out about it andyou'll find things came into
your day that you didn't evenexpect.
That's true too.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I'm thinking though and this is again a little bit
off of topic, but for me,because our last session was on
morality, and so I get caught upin authority.
You know the laws.
And I get very so.
Things that feel right to meare sometimes not in what I'm
(44:54):
allowed to do, and so I'll giveyou an example of.
You know, I live in an HOAcommunity.
Now, that is my choice, so Ihave chosen to accept these laws
.
But at the same time, you know,you look around the community
and I can tell you that noteveryone is in compliance with
(45:18):
every single bylaw.
That's in that manual.
So I really, really wanted toput it in a Japanese garden and
no one no one except myneighbors can see it, and so I
(45:38):
did it, and I feel badly aboutit, michelle, I know, but you
know, that's great, no well yes,yes, it's great.
But, and so, talking about doesthis feel good?
Well, yes, but no, because youknow, I feel, you know I've I've
(46:02):
broken the law, which, and ithurts absolutely no and my name.
I've talked to my neighborsabout it.
They were completely on boardwith it.
You know, the, the two, the twoneighbors that can actually see
it from, see it from theirplace, place I'm so I don't know
(46:29):
I.
How do I reconcile the freedomwith the?
You know?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
the integrity Cause I I feel like I've let that part
of me down.
Good good, Because you need tokeep letting that part of you
down until you let it go,Because it's okay to do what
feels good.
It's not like you said.
It's not hurting anybody else,it's not interfering with
anybody else's stuff, it'ssomething that you adore, it's
(46:54):
something that you can enjoy.
And the laws that were writtenthere for your community are,
you know, just laws to kind ofmake it so people can have
common ground of what they likein a community.
But none of them are spirituallaws, that's for sure.
None of them are written sothat every single person will
(47:19):
follow every single one of them.
They're just put there as thegeneral.
In case something becomes aproblem, then they can pull it
out and say, okay, well, there'sa law here, You're not allowed
to have that.
You see what I mean If yourgarden was, I don't know,
growing through a fence and intosomebody else's yard and they
didn't like it.
(47:40):
That's when they pull the rulebook out and say, okay, well,
we've got a problem, Right.
But you know, from a spiritualperspective there are no laws
like that.
There are no rules.
There are.
That's why in the last podcastI even said like the, the
universal laws.
I don't like the word lawsbeing attached to that.
(48:01):
I understand why people haveput the word there, because they
exist without question all thetime, but our laws don't.
We change laws all the time.
We make up new ones, we do awaywith some and that's just sort
of that control stuff.
But gravity just exists.
(48:24):
It is Attraction, is it bees?
Cause and effect is a thing.
Japanese gardens only being incertain places because people
said so is not a thing.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's a very small Japanese garden, by the way.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
That justifies it.
You know, let yourself off thehook, this is just.
It's just a little garden thatyou have in your yard because
you love it and it feels good.
If you can stay in that andjust enjoy it, you'll be fine,
and so will the garden and sowill everybody else.
They won't even notice you havea garden.
That's probably true.
You could have somebody on thecommittee come and visit your
(49:07):
house and they wouldn't even seethe garden.
They'd be oblivious to itbecause you don't have a button
out there to be pushed about it.
So, love your garden and let itbe.
And when that thought creeps inoh, I'm going against a rule
think to yourself yes, I am, I'mfree to do that, I'm free to be
happy, I'm free to do whatfeels good to me.
(49:29):
And then your brain may saysure, they're free to kick you
out or find you.
Just calm that part of yourbrain down, because, yes, that's
true too, but only when youhave a button out there to be
pushed.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
I think the worst they would make me do is is to
apply for my quote variants likeafter the fact.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
So even that, no, no big deal.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
No big deal.
Beg for forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I wouldn't even punt.
There's no way I'd beg forforgiveness.
I love the garden.
It's a little garden.
I made my garden.
Whatever I'll, I'll apply foryour thing now If that's what
you really think you need me todo.
You know, because we are sofree that there isn't a rule on
this planet that humans havemade that can limit us, unless
(50:20):
we think so.
You know there are people thatmurder and don unless we think
so.
You know there are people thatmurder and don't go to jail.
That's against the law, right?
They don't get caught.
They don't go to jail, right?
Is it because they're sneakyand they got away with it and
they're really smart and they'resmart and they figured out how
(50:40):
to not get caught?
Or maybe that you know all ofcreation prefers them and has
given them a pass on it?
No, it's because they're notgiving their attention to it.
It's because they're focused ontheir freedom or something else
that is keeping them out of therole that other people have
decided.
Nobody can control us.
(51:01):
That other people have decidedNobody can control us, nobody
can limit us, nobody can confineus without our permission on
some level, whether it's throughjust conditioned belief,
ignorance, whatever we're theones that are matching with that
.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Then, so can I ask you another question about
something that you said on thelast podcast?
You said something like oh, Iwrote it down, actually With
intensity we are at a battlebetween evil and love, and that
you didn't agree with thatbecause you didn't like the word
battle.
But I guess, Mike, what exactlyis evil, you know?
(51:42):
Is it fear?
Is it doing things that areagainst the law?
Is it, you know, is it peoplewhat is evil?
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Evil is what we will see when we get so far away from
our connection to who we reallyare and to all of creation
source.
The further we get away fromthat, the uglier it looks, the
scarier we become, the moretwisted we become, the more not
(52:17):
detached because we're neverdetached fully, but you can see
how that word would sort of fit.
So when we're so outside of ourtruth, that's what that looks
like it's rough, it's ugly, it'sscary to a lot of people, but
(52:39):
it's nothing that we have tohave anything to do with if we
don't want to or if we canreconnect, which we do every
time we sleep.
That's why we.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
That's why the body was designed to sleep, to check
us out every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
That's why you can't go too long without it, but you
can wake up and put yourselfright back where you were before
.
You went to sleep withinseconds, and then you compound
it through that day Check out,hit the reset button, wake up,
do it again, and the longerwe're here, the more beat up we
(53:18):
can become from it, and it justbecomes bigger and bigger and
bigger and very ugly.
Does it have a purpose here?
It sure does.
This is a world of contrast.
You cannot have one without theother.
Does it mean that, because evilis a thing like, it's a
(53:40):
potential, it's not a being,it's a potential.
Does it mean that we have todance that dance?
No, we're free.
We get to do this any way wewant to.
You know, and if we're headingin that direction, which many
people have maybe we all havedifferent points in our lives.
We do things that are whatpeople would say off course.
(54:02):
We always have that connectionwithin us that knows our truth
and we'll remember it.
Here and there.
We still have guidance, nomatter how deep we get in it.
It's harder to feel it, it'sharder to get a whiff of it, but
it's always there and nothingwill break us as a soul.
But this life experience doeshave the potential to beat the
(54:25):
daylights out of us in our humanexperience, and that's okay,
because we're learning.
No matter how we're looking atthis, no matter which angle
we're approaching life from,we're causing everything to
expand and become more becauseof it.
We're causing everything toexpand and become more because
(54:45):
of it, so it all belongs, butit's helping us really connect
with our own freedom, becausewhen you fear evil, you're not
free.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Well, my friend and I were having a discussion last
night and she was saying thatand this was even before I heard
your podcast she was sayingthat things are.
So was even before I heard yourpodcast.
She was saying that things areso chaotic out there right now
in the world.
Things are.
There's so much evil andthere's and she, you know, she
even referenced the you knowgood versus evil.
And she says that it's hard,she's losing hope and and and
(55:22):
that is really, and I I feellike she's not alone in that and
I feel that that's kind of sad.
But as more and more peoplelose hope, does that not affect
our collective consciousness andthen our future as well, and
then our future as?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
well, one person that trusts Source, one person that
can hold, more often than not,that place of well-being, is
more powerful than millions whoare not.
So there's always, always, waymore what we call good on this
(56:02):
planet than there is theopposite.
There will always be more of usthat are sort of holding the
place of well-being, and theremay always be others who are not
(56:24):
.
But we can't take somebody outof that.
You can't rescue your friendfrom that mindset.
You can't fix it because it'snot broken.
But you can be the light thatshines and you can hold that
light of we're all fine, we'regoing to be fine because we are
fine.
Now there's so much more good.
That happens every single dayhere.
It's very easy for people tolook through media and whatnot
(56:50):
and just see, oh, there'sterrible stuff that they don't
like, they don't agree with.
There's more good stuff.
It's just that people havebecome so preoccupied by looking
at the train wrecks all overthe place because we think
that's more captivating.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
And it's reported Sure.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
You can look at 20 things on social media that are
just awful While you're sittingin a like for me right now, the
breeze is blowing the trees, thewind's blowing the leaves on
the trees, there's some flowersout, the grass is freshly cut,
(57:21):
I'm sitting in a beautiful room,everything's fine, but there
are some terrible things thatare happening right now.
At the same time, what do Iwant to give my attention to?
There's more good that's goingon just in my backyard here than
I even have the ability torealize.
In the ground, in the air, inthe trees, everywhere.
There's more good stuff, waymore than there is bad.
(57:47):
And when we give our attentionto the things we don't like or
we don't agree with, it feelsuncomfortable because it's none
of our business If it's not, foryou don't look at it and people
say, well, then you're justputting your head in the sand,
exactly Because what you giveyour attention to matters a lot.
So when we give our attentionto the things that we're worried
(58:18):
, that we could worry about, orthat we think aren't good, or
there's so much of this in theworld, there's so much of that
in the world.
The more your friend gives herattention to that, the more it's
going to hurt her and the lessshe's helping all of us to
progress in a happier, easierway.
It's our responsibility, morenow than ever.
It's time, you know.
It's time for us to payattention and know where our
control is, know where our poweris.
(58:38):
Does it feel better to say, youknow, we're pretty much screwed?
I mean, there's so much badstuff going on, I have no hope
for this planet or these peopleon it.
Does that feel good?
Or does it feel good to say,hmm, maybe there is more good
going on here.
Maybe there is an intelligencethat's a lot smarter than all of
us.
There's a way ahead of us onall of this.
Maybe there's a reason whythose people are going through
(59:00):
the things they're going throughthat I don't like.
Maybe there's a reason whythey're acting the way they're
acting.
Maybe there's stuff I don'tknow enough about to make
judgment on this, to make a callon this.
Maybe I should just mind my ownbusiness and trust that there
is a creator or creation that isall over this and knows way
(59:20):
more about it than all of uscombined.
Maybe, if I think about that,that'll make me feel better.
Of course it will, because it'strue, when we're looking at
anything and we feel bad, that'sfeedback from source, saying,
no, we're not seeing it that wayand that's that's a good
guidance system.
You know, if we can just payattention to how we feel, we'll
(59:44):
trust more and more and moreBecause that guidance system is
literally guiding us.
When people say I don't have anyguidance, yes, we do.
Every one of us does.
It might be subtle, sometimesnot so subtle, sometimes very
subtle, sometimes not so subtle,sometimes very subtle.
(01:00:04):
But when we pay attention tohow we feel and we pay attention
to those inspirations that comethrough, or that little urge
that comes through, that littlething where you say I just know,
I just know, all right, thatfeels good, even when somebody's
saying, no, don't do that.
If it feels good to you, do it.
Head in that direction at least,because your guidance might not
be saying oh, yes, actually dothat thing.
Your guidance might be justlook in that direction.
(01:00:26):
Okay, just go ahead, look inthat direction, because then
you're going to get anotherthought that leads you over here
, then one over here, then oneover here.
Now you're in a totallydifferent place than where that
thing was, you were headed forand it all worked out
beautifully Because we trustRight, because we trust, and
(01:00:50):
we're in the place of ease andwe're in that place of
rejuvenation.
Yeah, you know, and your friendmay not have the ears to hear,
but you could say the next timeshe's worrying like that, you're
not helping, say I love youvery much but you're not helping
.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I did tell her that actually.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I mean, you know, sometimes we just don't want to
hear that, because we thinkwe're helping by worrying about
things.
We're helping about, you know,pushing against it and make it
stop and tell people how wethink they should be.
It doesn't work that way.
We've tried that for a lot ofyears.
It just doesn't work.
You know so well.
You know, michelle, this is sofunny because we started this
(01:01:24):
conversation tonight going Idon't know what should we talk
about?
And we've been talking for alittle over an hour, so this was
fun.
Yeah, it was fun, thanks somuch yeah, we came up with some
interesting stuff.
I think that'll be good foodfor thought for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Yeah, yeah, and I, you know, I think it's funny
because like I, after thisconversation with you, like I
really I feel a whole lot better, I feel a lot less fearful and
I feel I actually do feelrejuvenated, so it's kind of,
you know, so my card wasn'texactly wrong.
I don't think that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Just for those of you out there, michelle pulled up a
card yesterday for you know,like what should we talk about?
And she pulled one up today.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
It was the same exact card both days out of a Oracle
deck and the card wasrejuvenation.
Yeah, so there you go.
So thank you for that.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
That's a good point.
Well, I hope you all out thereare rejuvenated as well.
Thank you very much, Michelle,for coming back on and talking
with me.
I've enjoyed it.
Thank you very much for havingme.
You're very welcome.
And to all of you out there,you can find me at
mysticaltruthscom.
Thank you.
Welcome to the Mystical Truths Podcast.
This is Rebecca, and I'm reallyglad you're here.
Let's unlock your world Intoday's episode.
I'd like to welcome backMichelle.
Hello, michelle.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi Rebecca.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Michelle recently went on a cruise with her
husband and some friends andcame back with an interesting
topic for us to discuss today.
So, michelle, let's start withyou made your plans with your
neighbors, you went on thiscruise and having fun, and then
(00:43):
a comment was made that kind offelt odd.
Tell us what happened.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, this was about.
So it was a nine-day cruise andthis is about day seven into
the cruise and we're sittingwith our neighbors, our friends,
and we're having dinner and thegentleman says you know, we're
going to come back sick fromthis cruise.
We're just, we're going to comeback sick.
And I said I'm not going tothink that.
(01:12):
But you know, rebecca, it'shard, once somebody plants that
idea in your head, it's hard notto attach to it.
And I didn't come back sick,but they did, both of them
actually, which was really kindof interesting.
And so the day after we gotback from our cruise, the woman
(01:36):
called me and said are youfeeling okay?
And I said, yeah, why?
She says, well, I have a cold.
And I said, well, how's yourhusband?
And she said, well, he'sfeeling like he's getting one
too.
And so it's.
We've been back from our cruiselike three weeks now and he has
(01:59):
since like not only did he geta cold, he also developed
pneumonia.
So it wasn't an illness likeyou might think of, like COVID,
for example.
You know because that seems tobe the big fear of traveling
these days.
But they still came back sick.
You know, my husband and I werefine, but I tell you that I had
(02:24):
to really keep catching myselfbecause that thought, that
statement, kept entering my mindand it was a challenge to keep
it out because, you know, youknow it's already kind of
ingrained in us in the back ofour mind.
(02:46):
Anyway, I follow this psychicand she was saying that one of
her biggest questions from herclients concern health, because
we're so fearful, since thepandemic, of getting sick of our
(03:07):
health.
And I know, I know you say tobe easy about things and you
know, kind of, if things happens, it happens.
But you know, how do, how do we, how do we deal with this,
rebecca?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Self-talk, I mean it does take a lot of self-talk and
the not determination, but thedecision to think well as often
as you can.
It doesn't have to be 100% ofthe time, but you can see how,
for a long time now, even beforethe pandemic, people have been
(03:45):
conditioned to be very concernedabout their health, whether
it's about accidents, injuries,diseases, the body breaking down
.
People have been teaching eachother not everybody, but a lot
to get annual checkups becauseyou know something might go
(04:05):
wrong.
Well, something is going to gowrong at some point.
That's what we're told.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
That is what we're told.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And so we want to keep looking for it.
We're going to keep looking forit because you know we're going
to find it and, of course,something's going to go wrong.
Then, whatever we're expecting,we're getting some version of
and they proved that right, theydid.
Expecting we're getting someversion of, and they proved that
right, they did.
You know, they both expectedthat because I'm sure their
mindset was on this big shiptogether, a lot of people, there
(04:37):
must be some sick people onhere, and it's just going to
spread across the boat and we'reall going to go home sick.
Now, their belief in that iswhat brought on the illness.
Your ability to not believethat as often as you could is
the thing that sent you home.
Well, because if there was avirus over here, you were
somewhere else.
It is the way life synchronizes.
(05:03):
So when we, whatever we give ourattention to, we're going to
get some more of that, and wejust have to keep reminding
ourselves of that because,you're right, once somebody
makes a comment like that, youcan't unhear it, but you don't
have to believe it and you don'thave to let it keep, sort of
regurgitating.
You can and, and you know, andI'm saying this with can you
(05:27):
imagine somebody else hearingthat comment on that ship that
didn't know what you know aboutpositive thinking, right?
If you think it was difficultfor you not to go there, can you
imagine how difficult it is forthe average person that doesn't
understand how this works,right?
So, yeah, I totally see thechallenge in it and that's why
(05:50):
it's nice to know what we know,but it doesn't mean that we just
sort of know it and then we'reoblivious to everything else
that's happening around us.
We still hear those comments,you know.
We still hear, we still feel theenergy of people worrying like
(06:12):
that, and I think, if we canremind ourselves that everything
is all as well, that we can gohome well and we will go home
well because that's where ourmindset is.
That's what it means when wesay life is always working out
(06:39):
for me, because if there's anillness that comes your way,
that doesn't mean you didanything wrong necessarily.
It may just be your day to gothrough an experience that has
something of that nature to addto your life for a while.
But you know, I like thatexample because when we make up
our mind about something, we aregoing to get some version of
that.
(06:59):
So how did you, how do youthink it worked for you, to keep
yourself in at least a prettydecent place compared to where
they were at?
On that thought For me.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I had to keep reminding myself to not go there
and I, you know, I listened toyour most recent episode about
the future and one of the thingsthat you said was you know, a
positive thought outweighs amillion negative thoughts, or
something like that, and I thinkthat you know that probably is
(07:35):
what saved me, because it wasyou know as many times as that
would pop into my head.
I'm like I'm not going there.
I'm just not going there andI'm going to, I'm going to stay
healthy, and you know, and Ireally, really try to believe
that, because I feel that youknow, in addition to just
(07:55):
telling us that we need to havebelief in our expectations,
otherwise, I'm not sure that thepositivity works, or maybe it
does.
Maybe you can answer that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Well, you know, we can't push against something and
keep it away from us.
It doesn't work that way.
The pandemic was a good example.
You know, people pushed againstCOVID and the pandemic so loud,
so long, so hard that it stayedaround for a long time.
(08:28):
If, instead of being afraid ofit or pushing against it or
trying not to get it, if youjust say to yourself okay, there
are a lot of germs and virusesand whatnot in this world, I'm
not going to pay attention tothem, I'm paying attention to
(08:49):
what feels good to me, whatlooks good, what's a good idea
for me right now.
So let's say you're on a bigship like that and the vast
majority of people are afraidthey're going to go home sick,
or they're pretty sure they'regoing to go home sick, that
still does not mean that youhave to.
(09:10):
You and your husband could bethe only two leaving that ship.
Well, if you can keep yourselfin the mindset of I'm not
pushing against what everybodyelse is doing, I'm not agreeing
with it, I am just doing whatfeels good to me.
I'm having the experience herethat works for me.
That way, you're not pushingagainst the virus or what
(09:34):
anybody else is doing with it,but you're also not inviting it
in either.
You're just keeping yourself ina place where you do understand
that these things exist, butyou do understand that wellness
is our nature.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It does make sense.
And I can remember coming to acard reading with you one time
and I asked you how's my health?
And you said to me your bodyknows how to stay healthy.
And so that wasn't actually ananswer, but it was because it.
(10:15):
Then, you know because I can'tnow unthink that either, right,
you know, and so I prefer tothink that then I then I think,
oh, I'm going to get sick, andyou know why?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
that is because pay attention to how you feel when
you think each of those thoughts, when you think my body knows
exactly what to do to be healthyand then you think I might get
sick.
They said that we might get.
They said we're going to gohome sick.
What's the difference infeeling between those two?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Well, there's a huge difference.
I mean there's a hugedifference.
You know one is so positive andyou know the other is so it's.
It's fear inducing.
Yeah, so it's so-inducing.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah.
So it's so simple One feelsgood, one does not feel good.
That's right.
So there's the answer.
When we're thinking aboutsomething that is true,
something that is our nature, itfeels good because all of
creation is giving us feedbackthat says, yes, that's it
(11:25):
exactly.
When we're thinking I could getsick, and we're probably going
to get sick, and that doesn'tfeel good because all of
creation is saying, well, youcould, but that's not really how
we're seeing it, that doesn'tneed to be your possibility.
So, when we pay attention towhat things feel, like, that
(11:46):
gives us a whole lot ofinformation.
Because, like you said, whenyou came to me and you asked,
what about your body, if I wouldhave said to you well, I see,
this is kind of off, I seethere's a problem here or there
is a potential buildup ofsomething that's going to be
trouble, if I would have alertedyou to anything like that, it
(12:12):
would have brought yourattention to it, and then you
would have kept giving yourattention to it, and then it
would have either developed intosomething or become something
more of something that wasalready there.
So it's my belief that if we sowhat?
If there's stuff going on, yourbody knows what to do with it.
Remind yourself that your bodyknows how to heal itself and get
(12:37):
on with something else thatfeels good.
You know, and that's exactlywhat Jesus did when people came
to in front of Jesus Jesus justwith all their sicknesses and
whatnot, he didn't see any ofthat.
He saw their wellness.
He saw their wellness so purelythat they saw it too, and
(13:01):
that's how they healed, becausehe even said you all can do this
.
This isn't a trick.
I'm not healed.
Nobody's broken.
I'm not fixing anybody.
I'm just seeing their wellnessso intently that they are now
seeing it too and they'redropping all the resistance that
has brought on all of thesehealth conditions.
(13:23):
People say, well, we should beaware of what's happening in our
body, we should get a checkupand we should get tests done and
we should make sure thateverything's okay in there.
I'm not saying to not do any ofthose things.
I'm just saying pay attentionto how you feel, do the best you
can to feel good as often asyou can and follow that.
(13:45):
Let that be the way you be andyou will be fine.
One of my grandsons had streprecently and it's pretty rare
that I get sick, but after anumber of days I thought I
wonder, like my throat feels alittle, is it the weather?
(14:07):
So I looked at my throat.
Sure enough, there were somewhite spots.
So I thought, okay, I'll go forthe antibiotic.
Just felt like the betteroption.
So I made a doctor'sappointment, which I have not
made in years.
I had to find a new doctorbecause it had been so long and
I have different insurance.
So I made a doctor'sappointment and I went in and in
(14:35):
the computer she looked and shesaid oh my, you need to have an
EKG, you need a colonoscopy,you need a breast.
What do you call the smashything?
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Mammogram.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Mammogram.
That's it Blood work.
She just had this laundry listthat I needed to get done
because I haven't seen a doctorin a long time, because this is
just what we do, so they say so.
She said, okay, so do you wantus to give you these shots while
you're here today?
And I said no.
(15:02):
And she said, well, do you wantto get this test done?
I said no.
I said I came here for anantibiotic and it was astounding
that you know there's just somany things that I should have
had done by this age that I havenot had done.
Everybody can get them done allday long if they want to, but
(15:24):
for me personally, unless I feellike I want to go get one of
those done, I'm not going to go,because I'm listening to my
body and I'm allowing my body totell me if it would like any
help with anything.
Not that it needs it, but if itdoes, I'm in the way somewhere
and that's okay.
(15:44):
That's when we go get the help.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know, my cousin and I had this conversation and
she's she's a nurse, and she Iforget, I honestly forget what
health subject we were talkingabout.
And I said well, you know what,if you just refuse to go and
get the testing done?
And she says, well, then yourdoctor can just refuse to, you
know, be your doctor, becauseyou're not listening to, um,
(16:10):
their advice.
And so I kind of feel likeyou're screwed, that at that
point, because we all want to bethat, it's that safety net,
like just think it's like havinginsurance, you know, just in
case you would ever need adoctor, you should have a doctor
, just in case you would.
You know what I'm saying,because we've been conditioned
(16:33):
to believe that we will.
We will eventually, andexperience has taught us, you
know, that this is true that ithas.
You know, we have needed doctorsin the past.
We have, you know, et cetera,et cetera.
So you know, I feel like we'rekind of up against the wall.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, how does that feel?
Not so great.
It feels very uncomfortable,doesn't it?
Because there's no freedom inthat right.
I'm not free to not have adoctor, I'm not free to have one
.
I'm not free to not have thesetests.
But I really don't want to havethese tests.
We don't have to back ourselvesinto that corner.
Once we understand that we'renot limited at all.
(17:17):
You can have a doctor if youwant one, regardless of what's
been said, because by attraction, if that fits and you want it,
the universe will find a way toprovide it for you.
A doctor will be found for you.
If you don't want to have atest and it feels really good
(17:37):
not to have that test, you havethe freedom to follow that.
But I think it's important foreverybody to make their own mind
up in any given moment.
My mind isn't made up acrossthe board that I don't need a
doctor If I feel like with theantibiotic.
That just felt like the quickerway to go for me.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So I went with the antibiotic, no big deal.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So I'm not saying no.
I never take any sort oftreatment or whatever.
If it feels like a good fit,I'm all in.
But I'm not in on looking fortrouble that isn't there and
expecting trouble to be thereand then if I don't follow what
they say I should do.
Well, now I'm in the new kindof trouble.
(18:22):
Right, we don't have to be, wedon't have to entertain any of
that.
Once you realize that you'realways guided, source always has
your back on everything.
Perfect timing will synchronizeup beautifully all the time.
If you know that, now you feelvery free, because you realize
(18:46):
if a test is a good idea, I'llhave one.
If a test isn't needed, I won'thave one.
If I decide I want a doctor,I'll get one.
If I never see a doctor againfor the rest of my life, that's
fine too.
You see what I mean?
Because now, at that point, yourealize that you are free to be
(19:06):
however you want to be in anygiven moment, because whatever
is good for you in that givenmoment will always be present.
So now nobody else owns yourexperience, but you.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And that's true for everybody right.
Absolutely.
You own your own experience.
You have your own journey.
The thing is is that ourexperiences intertwine with
other people who we're reallyclose with, so what one person
is experiencing another person,like you know.
So if something, um something,comes up with my children, you
(19:45):
know, then I I've, I'mautomatically pulled into that
and maybe I shouldn't be but it.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But it I don't know.
Well, if something comes up forone of your children, will you
be more helpful to them ifyou're in worry and fear, or
will you be more helpful to themif you're in trust and ease?
Ah, that makes a lot of sense,you see what I mean, and that's
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another thing that Jesus taughtus In the way he beed.
His message was basically if Isee you as sick, if I worry
about you, if I get in the mudwith you, I cannot be of any
good to you, because now we'rejust dirty in the mud together.
But if I can see you as well,if I can see you as just fine
(20:45):
where you're at, even in all ofyour illness or your disease,
your injury, if I can see thewellness in you, then you may
see it too.
It's okay if you don't, butthat's the only way you really
(21:05):
stand a chance.
You know, what good would ithave been if he or any other
teacher taught us to figure outwhere our illness came from,
what we did wrong to make ithappen, what we should hurry up
and do to get rid of it.
I mean, that's what we're kindof told we're supposed to do in
conventional ways, but thatdoesn't.
(21:26):
It's just not working is it?
If it was working, we'd have waymore wellness than we have
illness.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Right, and you know and in some ways it's like you
know we're not allowed to getsick.
You know, if you're working outthere in the workforce, your
employer is not very happy withyou if you are sick, and so that
just does nothing but increasethe fear.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Sure, you know, and that's one thing that the
pandemic did help us with, itmade it more acceptable to be
sick.
In other words, you know,during the pandemic it was oh no
, don't, please don't come towork if you are sick.
But before that it was get inhere.
We don't care, right, just workanyway, take a pill, do
(22:16):
something, keep working.
So we did have.
We had Just work anyway, take apill, do something, keep
working.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So we did have.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
We had a lot of benefit that came out of the
pandemic and that was one ofthem.
But you're right, employers dostill not want people to be sick
, which makes sense.
You know, you're hiring thesepeople, you want them to show up
and work.
But I think we also have to becompassionate that people do get
sick.
They do get injured.
Does it have to be that way?
(22:41):
No, but is it that way Rightnow?
It is Right, you know.
Is it wrong when somebody getssick or gets hurt?
No, it's not wrong.
We're all on our own journey.
We're all tripping over thingssometimes and, honestly, for
people that don't understand howhealing works, they should pay
attention to any medicalpractitioner that is saying come
(23:03):
and get your checkups, becausewhen you don't know your body
can heal itself and you don'tknow that your thoughts mean
everything, then you need abackup.
And that's why we haveconventional medicine, because
for a long time we've beenconvinced that life happens to
us, not with us, and when youthink life happens to you,
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there's no power, in that,there's very little power.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's right, but that's also, I think, a hard
concept to truly wrap your headaround.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Sadly it is for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It didn't need to be.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It doesn't have to continue to be, and I think
we're moving away from that forsure.
We're getting better and betterat understanding and
researching even what ourthoughts are about.
What do they mean?
What are they and do they mean?
What are they and do theyreally affect our lives?
(24:06):
Are they real energy?
Yes, they are.
Your thoughts are real energy.
Because they're real energy,they will attract energy, like
them.
So why in the world, now that weknow this, would we want to
think thoughts that don't feelgood?
Because we know those thoughtsthat we're thinking will
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multiply and something willbecome real to us or tangible
from that at some point,sometimes very quickly.
What do we want those things tobe?
Health, wellness, the things,the items that we like, the
people that we like?
Or do we just want to keeprunning into walls and saying,
(24:54):
ouch, that hurt.
And then we run into anotherwall?
Ouch, that hurt.
Then we run into another wall,ouch, that hurt.
Run into another wall, ow, thatreally hurt.
See my life, my life has a lotof pain in it.
These walls just keep comingstraight up in front of me and I
hit them because we think lifehappens to us Like all of a
sudden there's a wall or anothershoe drops.
It doesn't happen like that.
(25:15):
We're pulling it all in, we'recalling it all in every day, all
day long, and there's nopressure there.
Like I've said before, evenwith everything I know and teach
, I still live on this planet ina human body.
I'm still projecting through ahuman body.
So I still have my momentswhere I think thoughts that
(25:36):
aren't really helping me.
I know enough to catch myself.
Or I see things that I don'tlike and I have to remind myself
that's none of my business,because if I make it my business
, I'm going to get something inthat category in my moments that
are coming forward, and Ireally don't want that.
(25:57):
In my moments that are comingforward, and I really don't want
that.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And you said earlier that you heard or read something
about another pandemic.
Yeah, so I, and this was awhile ago.
And it said, you know, it waslike one of those Apple news
things Cause I don't watch thenews on TV and the little bit of
news that I do get is usuallyfrom my phone, just in headlines
.
And it said, you know,basically there would, there is
no way we could get aroundanother pandemic.
(26:26):
And then I was sitting with agroup of women celebrating one
of my friend's birthdays andthat the subject of the pandemic
came up, and one of the womensaid well, you know, do you
think that there's going to beanother pandemic?
And this woman, who was in themedical field, said well, I
don't see how there couldn't be,because there's always viruses
(26:51):
around, there's always newviruses that are coming out.
And so you know, yeah, there'sgoing to be another pandemic,
it's just a matter of when.
And I, and I even said to herlook, I, I can't buy into that,
I can't, I can't bring, I can'tallow myself to believe that.
And you know, and maybe thatwas the wrong thing to say, but
(27:16):
it's so, it's.
I can't do that, I can't, Ican't think about that, you know
, because if I did and I haveenough and I worry enough, you
know, um, maybe because there'salso, I can't allow myself to
think about that because there'sa fear of thinking about that.
I mean, is that possible too?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Sure, but you know, whatever you think about, you're
adding to.
So we have to be very mindfulof what we're adding to right.
So when we're afraid ofsomething, we're adding to that
becoming a thing, when we'rejust even pondering it, we're
(27:58):
adding to it.
So will there be anotherpandemic?
There does not need to be.
Could there be an epidemicwhich is a lower level?
Does it need to be?
Like you mentioned the lastpodcast I just did the story of
our future, how?
(28:19):
do we want it to be, becausewhen people keep saying things
like that like well, of coursewe're going to have another
epidemic or pandemic or whatever, of course they're going to be
more people that get cancer, ofcourse they're going to be more
car wrecks, let's just keeptelling that story and then
we're going to have the shitshow for a long time, and then
we're going to have this shitshow for a long time.
Or we can say, yeah, there area lot of bacteria and viruses.
(28:42):
If people only knewmicroscopically what they were
living in every day, it wouldn'tlook pretty.
It just wouldn't look pretty.
I was in the medical professionfor a lot of years and the
things that we don't know thatare on our body, that are useful
actually, that look prettycreepy.
(29:02):
There are good bacteria.
There are ones that we don'tlike so much.
You know.
In my opinion, when we get avirus or something like that,
it's just life's way of sayingokay, you need a timeout, check
out, let your body do what itdoes.
It knows how to decodeeverything.
Just go sleep or do somethingthat just gets you out of the
(29:28):
game, because it's not about thevirus, it's about you needing
to check out of the game for awhile.
That's why these things come atus.
In order for your body to be agood host, it has to be in a
vibrational frequency wherethose bacteria and viruses live.
So if you keep yourself in ahigher vibration than where they
vibrate at, they can't jump on.
(29:50):
You're not a good host.
They can't survive on you,right?
So that's another way to notjust think of it.
It's another way to see thereality of it.
If you don't want to be a goodhost for trouble, then don't
keep yourself in the vibrationwhere trouble exists, because
those bacteria and virusesthey're not here to torment us.
(30:13):
They're here as part of thewhole mix.
They're here because this is aworld of contrast and variety
and we do have the wanted andthe unwanted.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Right, and they're doing what they have to to
survive Right.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And they're also doing their part, because when
we need a reminder that we needto check out of the serious
stuff that we've gottenourselves involved with, check
out of the serious stuff thatwe've gotten ourselves involved
with, they're there.
They're there for us, they'rehelping us out, but what have we
been told?
They're bad, they should goaway.
This should never happen.
Be afraid of them.
(30:48):
Why be afraid of them there?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
are teachers.
Well, and in some ways you know, like we've backed ourselves
into getting possibly more illbecause we're so clean.
Now we sanitize everything.
We're always our handsanitizers the washing the hands
(31:16):
, the Clorox wipes, the this,the that, that we don't know
what it's like to reallyexperience and have our bodies
develop antibodies to germs.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well, sure, I mean, it does us no good to live in a
bubble while we're on thisplanet.
It doesn't really help thebody's immunity.
It doesn't help us have fun tolive in a bubble where we're on
this planet.
It doesn't really help thebody's immunity.
It doesn't help us have fun tolive in a bubble where we're
afraid of this planet or thelittle creepy crawly things on
this planet.
You know, our bodies know howto adapt.
Our bodies know how to surviveand be in this environment.
(31:53):
They were designed to do that.
We're the ones that tell thebody environment.
They were designed to do that.
We're the ones that tell thebody oh, you better be careful,
you better sterilize this andyou better sanitize this.
You know, I remember years agowhere we had antibacterial
everything for a while, evenlike the high chair trays were
(32:13):
antibacterial and there were somany and we found out, oops,
that was a problem.
We antibacterial.
And there were so many and wefound out, oops, that was a
problem.
We anti bacterial lies so muchthat we started having a problem
with bacteria.
And the overuse of antibioticswas another problem.
Right, and people not taking afull prescription, taking half
and mutated.
You know all this stuff justbecause we were so concerned
about bacteria.
Well, now we've changed that toviruses, instead of recognizing
(32:38):
that if we just feel good andwe just live in filth, than see
somebody who is in a unhappy,worriful state live in a very,
(33:05):
very clean environment, becausethat one who's in a downer state
will attract something fromthat fresh, clean environment,
that's a problem.
Or that happy person living infilth will not have a problem
because you can't attract whatyou're not equal to.
You know you can walk throughfilth and come out fine.
(33:29):
You know you can walk through aclean environment what looks
like a clean environment andcome out come out with a problem
.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You know, we're so wrapped up in fear.
I think that it's, and ourbelief system, which is has
changed so much, in all honesty,from when I was growing up
because I'm certainly not youngby any means Um, but you were
(33:58):
trying to be, you know, safe.
We're trying to be clean, we'rejust, we're doing everything to
protect ourselves because offear.
And I, although I think that'sgood in some sense, I feel like
you know we're missing out insome ways on fun, on enjoyment.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
We try to figure too much out.
You know, I remember we're justnot as smart as we think we are
as a race.
I remember when I was younger,a few times in elementary school
there was lice and we were toldthat it was the dirty kids, the
kids that weren't well takencare of at home.
(34:50):
And what the world came tofigure out was that lice does
not like dirty hair, it doesn'tlike greasy hair, it likes the
clean hair.
And so people thought they wereso smart to figure out that it
was, you know, the dirty kidsthat were spreading it around,
(35:11):
when lice doesn't even like thatkind of hair.
So it just goes to show youthat we make our minds up about
things, we try to figure thingsout, we assume a lot instead of
just holding our own counselright, what feels true to me,
what feels good to me?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
So, just going off topic for a little bit, like I
really think you know you talkedabout the future and you talk
about, you know, the.
What feels good to me it's, youknow, by moving into that space
where we're just intuitive andby using our intuition, I can
really see that as being a realsource of power.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Absolutely.
You know, it reminds me of likethis is how it like comes
together in my mind is that weare here on this planet with
more guidance than we can evenimagine.
All the time never stops.
It's always there for each oneof us, always.
And this guidance has a broadervision.
It can not only see everythingthat's going on.
(36:14):
It knows all of us, knows whatour preferences are, knows what
our desires are.
All of that we multitask andknow a whole lot when we're not
in a human body.
But right now we are projectingthis focus through this human
body.
And with all of thatintelligence, guidance, love,
here we are banging aroundsaying well, you know what, I'll
(36:37):
just do this myself.
We just sort of tune out all ofthat stuff that is right there
for us, because we've beenconditioned to think we are
doing this alone and that theguidance might be there for
other people but not really forus.
Guidance might be there forother people but not really for
(37:01):
us.
And so we are saying I willfigure this out, I'll decide
what to do.
I'll just make a decision aboutwhat's good for me, I'll look
around and see what other peopleare doing and then I'll make a
belief from that, and we've doneit long enough that it doesn't
take us long at all before wehave the new ones that are
coming and convinced to justlike.
(37:22):
Same thing happened to us.
We came in full of trust,knowing that we have a guidance
system, knowing that if we justpay attention to how we feel,
we'll be fine.
And if we trip, we know thatthere's a good reason why we
tripped.
And if we trip, we know thatthere's a good reason why we
tripped, and we'll go ahead andtake the fall and we'll see what
kind of honey is in there forus and we'll just look forward
(37:43):
to what we want next, becausenow we have new clarity because
of that fall we had.
That's how we came in.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, but I was going to say, you know, I don't think
, sometimes I don't even feellike I have a guidance system,
don't even feel like I have aguidance system.
You know, I know it's there,but I, I don't feel guided in
any way.
So I feel like, you know, whenyou're, when you don't have that
, um, that ability, you feellike you, you are kind of on
(38:11):
your own.
And then the other thing, yeah,yeah, and then when I do feel
like, oh, I'm being guided, Idon't trust it.
Sure, because you know it's adifficult thing to do, because
it happens.
I don't want to say it happensinfrequently, but it doesn't
(38:32):
happen as frequently as notfeeling no guidance does Sure
because it's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And as frequently as not feeling no guidance does
Sure because it's been a longtime.
It's been so long since youfelt the true nature of that
that it can be a challenge totrust it when you do feel it.
Because we get so caught up outthere in the world.
Our attention is out there.
It's not right here where we'reat.
When we can bring our attentionto back here, where we are, and
(39:06):
not just the body, I mean justwhere your consciousness is,
where your real thoughts happen,the more you can be there, the
easier life is going to get, themore you're going to sense your
guidance.
And here's a good question foryou, michelle.
If you're going to sense yourguidance, and and here's a good
question for you, michelle whatdo you if you're being guided?
What does that look like?
How should that show up for you?
What do you want it to looklike?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, I just feel, I like, I feel like this is this
is my right, this is the rightdecision.
Like I know it's not, it's nota matter of there's not a
question in my mind, I just know, you know, and it feels good.
So that's when I feel like I'mbeing guided.
(39:47):
If I have a situation and Idon't, I'm not sure how to
approach it, and I just sit withit for a while and I, if I feel
guided, I'm like oh, I know,this is what I feel, like I need
to do because I'm very feely.
That's more how I am in tunewith the divine or the universe
or whatever my guidance system Ifeel.
(40:08):
But sometimes I just know aswell, and so if it feels right,
if I just know, then I feel likeI'm being gone.
If I but so many times like Ifeel like I'm just in the midst
of chaos and and I'm stuck, I'mlost, I'm just, I just don't
(40:34):
know what to do.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
And that's when you know you're more out there than
you are in here.
Your focus is more out there inthe world than it is right here
where you're at.
So that's when you want to reelyourself back in, that's all
right.
Let me just take a breath andcenter myself again, because
this is where my guidance comesfrom.
It doesn't come from out there,it comes from right here.
(40:57):
Because, as we grow up, we aretaught and we get very used to.
If I want guidance, I go andtalk to somebody, I make an
appointment, I seek a friend, Ihave a conversation, I read a
book, I watch a documentary, Iwrite my pros and cons list.
We've been taught about allthat external stuff when that's
(41:21):
not really where our guidanceoriginates from.
Those things might be anassistance to it, but our true
guidance comes from right hereinside us, where we're at.
Just like you said, you get afeeling this just feels like I
should do it, or this just feelsgood, or I just know, I just
(41:42):
know I want to make this phonecall, or you get a little.
You just heard something in yourmind.
You just heard something and itmakes sense, right, maybe
you're you're wondering oh,which color outfit should I wear
on Saturday?
Which would be the best one forme to wear?
(42:04):
I have three different coloredoutfits.
I like them all, I look good inall of them.
Which one should I wear?
And then you let it go and atsome point you hear the red one
and you think was it me, did I,did, I did?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I hear that Did I just think that.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Just pay attention to how it felt.
You can tell you didn'tgenerate the thought, and then
go wear the red one and get onwith your life.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
And that's true.
And that's true Becausesometimes I'll be like, okay,
which, which way should I go toget to a place?
Because you know there'svarious roads that will get you
different ways you can get tothis thing, and I'll say which
road should I take?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
And it's not, it's you know, you just know, you
just know, and we have to watchthat we don't talk ourselves out
of it, because intuition is nota burning bush.
Most often, it's that subtlestuff.
But the more you pay attentionto it and the more you just go
with it, just trust it and gowith it, the more you begin to
(43:06):
remember what that was like,because you knew it as a child,
especially a very young child.
But it's our nature.
So the more we do it, the morewe trust it and the easier
things get.
And now you're not full ofanxiety, you're not trying to
figure things out, you're notafraid of things, because little
(43:27):
by little you're letting go ofall of that and trusting a
little more.
Trusting a little more.
And I would suggest you knowthat anybody that's interested
should just play around withthat.
Start with things that aren'tthat important to you.
You know when you get up youhave a day off.
You know there are some thingsthat you want to get done today,
but just let it roll.
(43:47):
Don't make a plan.
Just let it roll and dowhatever happens to come up next
for you what feels?
I just want to do this.
I want to go over there.
I want to make this phone call.
Just go with it.
At the end of the day, see howthat day went and if you really
could find your flow of ease,you'll look back on that day and
(44:09):
go, wow, I got a lot done today, or I had a lot of fun today,
or both, because getting a lotdone is a lot of fun and I
wasn't freaking out about it andyou'll find things came into
your day that you didn't evenexpect.
That's true too.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I'm thinking though and this is again a little bit
off of topic, but for me,because our last session was on
morality, and so I get caught upin authority.
You know the laws.
And I get very so.
Things that feel right to meare sometimes not in what I'm
(44:54):
allowed to do, and so I'll giveyou an example of.
You know, I live in an HOAcommunity.
Now, that is my choice, so Ihave chosen to accept these laws
.
But at the same time, you know,you look around the community
and I can tell you that noteveryone is in compliance with
(45:18):
every single bylaw.
That's in that manual.
So I really, really wanted toput it in a Japanese garden and
no one no one except myneighbors can see it, and so I
(45:38):
did it, and I feel badly aboutit, michelle, I know, but you
know, that's great, no well yes,yes, it's great.
But, and so, talking about doesthis feel good?
Well, yes, but no, because youknow, I feel, you know I've I've
(46:02):
broken the law, which, and ithurts absolutely no and my name.
I've talked to my neighborsabout it.
They were completely on boardwith it.
You know, the, the two, the twoneighbors that can actually see
it from, see it from theirplace, place I'm so I don't know
(46:29):
I.
How do I reconcile the freedomwith the?
You know?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
the integrity Cause I I feel like I've let that part
of me down.
Good good, Because you need tokeep letting that part of you
down until you let it go,Because it's okay to do what
feels good.
It's not like you said.
It's not hurting anybody else,it's not interfering with
anybody else's stuff, it'ssomething that you adore, it's
(46:54):
something that you can enjoy.
And the laws that were writtenthere for your community are,
you know, just laws to kind ofmake it so people can have
common ground of what they likein a community.
But none of them are spirituallaws, that's for sure.
None of them are written sothat every single person will
(47:19):
follow every single one of them.
They're just put there as thegeneral.
In case something becomes aproblem, then they can pull it
out and say, okay, well, there'sa law here, You're not allowed
to have that.
You see what I mean If yourgarden was, I don't know,
growing through a fence and intosomebody else's yard and they
didn't like it.
(47:40):
That's when they pull the rulebook out and say, okay, well,
we've got a problem, Right.
But you know, from a spiritualperspective there are no laws
like that.
There are no rules.
There are.
That's why in the last podcastI even said like the, the
universal laws.
I don't like the word lawsbeing attached to that.
(48:01):
I understand why people haveput the word there, because they
exist without question all thetime, but our laws don't.
We change laws all the time.
We make up new ones, we do awaywith some and that's just sort
of that control stuff.
But gravity just exists.
(48:24):
It is Attraction, is it bees?
Cause and effect is a thing.
Japanese gardens only being incertain places because people
said so is not a thing.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's a very small Japanese garden, by the way.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
That justifies it.
You know, let yourself off thehook, this is just.
It's just a little garden thatyou have in your yard because
you love it and it feels good.
If you can stay in that andjust enjoy it, you'll be fine,
and so will the garden and sowill everybody else.
They won't even notice you havea garden.
That's probably true.
You could have somebody on thecommittee come and visit your
(49:07):
house and they wouldn't even seethe garden.
They'd be oblivious to itbecause you don't have a button
out there to be pushed about it.
So, love your garden and let itbe.
And when that thought creeps inoh, I'm going against a rule
think to yourself yes, I am, I'mfree to do that, I'm free to be
happy, I'm free to do whatfeels good to me.
(49:29):
And then your brain may saysure, they're free to kick you
out or find you.
Just calm that part of yourbrain down, because, yes, that's
true too, but only when youhave a button out there to be
pushed.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
I think the worst they would make me do is is to
apply for my quote variants likeafter the fact.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
So even that, no, no big deal.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
No big deal.
Beg for forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I wouldn't even punt.
There's no way I'd beg forforgiveness.
I love the garden.
It's a little garden.
I made my garden.
Whatever I'll, I'll apply foryour thing now If that's what
you really think you need me todo.
You know, because we are sofree that there isn't a rule on
this planet that humans havemade that can limit us, unless
(50:20):
we think so.
You know there are people thatmurder and don unless we think
so.
You know there are people thatmurder and don't go to jail.
That's against the law, right?
They don't get caught.
They don't go to jail, right?
Is it because they're sneakyand they got away with it and
they're really smart and they'resmart and they figured out how
(50:40):
to not get caught?
Or maybe that you know all ofcreation prefers them and has
given them a pass on it?
No, it's because they're notgiving their attention to it.
It's because they're focused ontheir freedom or something else
that is keeping them out of therole that other people have
decided.
Nobody can control us.
(51:01):
That other people have decidedNobody can control us, nobody
can limit us, nobody can confineus without our permission on
some level, whether it's throughjust conditioned belief,
ignorance, whatever we're theones that are matching with that
.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Then, so can I ask you another question about
something that you said on thelast podcast?
You said something like oh, Iwrote it down, actually With
intensity we are at a battlebetween evil and love, and that
you didn't agree with thatbecause you didn't like the word
battle.
But I guess, Mike, what exactlyis evil, you know?
(51:42):
Is it fear?
Is it doing things that areagainst the law?
Is it, you know, is it peoplewhat is evil?
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Evil is what we will see when we get so far away from
our connection to who we reallyare and to all of creation
source.
The further we get away fromthat, the uglier it looks, the
scarier we become, the moretwisted we become, the more not
(52:17):
detached because we're neverdetached fully, but you can see
how that word would sort of fit.
So when we're so outside of ourtruth, that's what that looks
like it's rough, it's ugly, it'sscary to a lot of people, but
(52:39):
it's nothing that we have tohave anything to do with if we
don't want to or if we canreconnect, which we do every
time we sleep.
That's why we.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
That's why the body was designed to sleep, to check
us out every once in a while.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
That's why you can't go too long without it, but you
can wake up and put yourselfright back where you were before
.
You went to sleep withinseconds, and then you compound
it through that day Check out,hit the reset button, wake up,
do it again, and the longerwe're here, the more beat up we
(53:18):
can become from it, and it justbecomes bigger and bigger and
bigger and very ugly.
Does it have a purpose here?
It sure does.
This is a world of contrast.
You cannot have one without theother.
Does it mean that, because evilis a thing like, it's a
(53:40):
potential, it's not a being,it's a potential.
Does it mean that we have todance that dance?
No, we're free.
We get to do this any way wewant to.
You know, and if we're headingin that direction, which many
people have maybe we all havedifferent points in our lives.
We do things that are whatpeople would say off course.
(54:02):
We always have that connectionwithin us that knows our truth
and we'll remember it.
Here and there.
We still have guidance, nomatter how deep we get in it.
It's harder to feel it, it'sharder to get a whiff of it, but
it's always there and nothingwill break us as a soul.
But this life experience doeshave the potential to beat the
(54:25):
daylights out of us in our humanexperience, and that's okay,
because we're learning.
No matter how we're looking atthis, no matter which angle
we're approaching life from,we're causing everything to
expand and become more becauseof it.
We're causing everything toexpand and become more because
(54:45):
of it, so it all belongs, butit's helping us really connect
with our own freedom, becausewhen you fear evil, you're not
free.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Well, my friend and I were having a discussion last
night and she was saying thatand this was even before I heard
your podcast she was sayingthat things are.
So was even before I heard yourpodcast.
She was saying that things areso chaotic out there right now
in the world.
Things are.
There's so much evil andthere's and she, you know, she
even referenced the you knowgood versus evil.
And she says that it's hard,she's losing hope and and and
(55:22):
that is really, and I I feellike she's not alone in that and
I feel that that's kind of sad.
But as more and more peoplelose hope, does that not affect
our collective consciousness andthen our future as well, and
then our future as?
Speaker 1 (55:39):
well, one person that trusts Source, one person that
can hold, more often than not,that place of well-being, is
more powerful than millions whoare not.
So there's always, always, waymore what we call good on this
(56:02):
planet than there is theopposite.
There will always be more of usthat are sort of holding the
place of well-being, and theremay always be others who are not
(56:24):
.
But we can't take somebody outof that.
You can't rescue your friendfrom that mindset.
You can't fix it because it'snot broken.
But you can be the light thatshines and you can hold that
light of we're all fine, we'regoing to be fine because we are
fine.
Now there's so much more good.
That happens every single dayhere.
It's very easy for people tolook through media and whatnot
(56:50):
and just see, oh, there'sterrible stuff that they don't
like, they don't agree with.
There's more good stuff.
It's just that people havebecome so preoccupied by looking
at the train wrecks all overthe place because we think
that's more captivating.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
And it's reported Sure.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
You can look at 20 things on social media that are
just awful While you're sittingin a like for me right now, the
breeze is blowing the trees, thewind's blowing the leaves on
the trees, there's some flowersout, the grass is freshly cut,
(57:21):
I'm sitting in a beautiful room,everything's fine, but there
are some terrible things thatare happening right now.
At the same time, what do Iwant to give my attention to?
There's more good that's goingon just in my backyard here than
I even have the ability torealize.
In the ground, in the air, inthe trees, everywhere.
There's more good stuff, waymore than there is bad.
(57:47):
And when we give our attentionto the things we don't like or
we don't agree with, it feelsuncomfortable because it's none
of our business If it's not, foryou don't look at it and people
say, well, then you're justputting your head in the sand,
exactly Because what you giveyour attention to matters a lot.
So when we give our attentionto the things that we're worried
(58:18):
, that we could worry about, orthat we think aren't good, or
there's so much of this in theworld, there's so much of that
in the world.
The more your friend gives herattention to that, the more it's
going to hurt her and the lessshe's helping all of us to
progress in a happier, easierway.
It's our responsibility, morenow than ever.
It's time, you know.
It's time for us to payattention and know where our
control is, know where our poweris.
(58:38):
Does it feel better to say, youknow, we're pretty much screwed?
I mean, there's so much badstuff going on, I have no hope
for this planet or these peopleon it.
Does that feel good?
Or does it feel good to say,hmm, maybe there is more good
going on here.
Maybe there is an intelligencethat's a lot smarter than all of
us.
There's a way ahead of us onall of this.
Maybe there's a reason whythose people are going through
(59:00):
the things they're going throughthat I don't like.
Maybe there's a reason whythey're acting the way they're
acting.
Maybe there's stuff I don'tknow enough about to make
judgment on this, to make a callon this.
Maybe I should just mind my ownbusiness and trust that there
is a creator or creation that isall over this and knows way
(59:20):
more about it than all of uscombined.
Maybe, if I think about that,that'll make me feel better.
Of course it will, because it'strue, when we're looking at
anything and we feel bad, that'sfeedback from source, saying,
no, we're not seeing it that wayand that's that's a good
guidance system.
You know, if we can just payattention to how we feel, we'll
(59:44):
trust more and more and moreBecause that guidance system is
literally guiding us.
When people say I don't have anyguidance, yes, we do.
Every one of us does.
It might be subtle, sometimesnot so subtle, sometimes very
subtle, sometimes not so subtle,sometimes very subtle.
(01:00:04):
But when we pay attention tohow we feel and we pay attention
to those inspirations that comethrough, or that little urge
that comes through, that littlething where you say I just know,
I just know, all right, thatfeels good, even when somebody's
saying, no, don't do that.
If it feels good to you, do it.
Head in that direction at least,because your guidance might not
be saying oh, yes, actually dothat thing.
Your guidance might be justlook in that direction.
(01:00:26):
Okay, just go ahead, look inthat direction, because then
you're going to get anotherthought that leads you over here
, then one over here, then oneover here.
Now you're in a totallydifferent place than where that
thing was, you were headed forand it all worked out
beautifully Because we trustRight, because we trust, and
(01:00:50):
we're in the place of ease andwe're in that place of
rejuvenation.
Yeah, you know, and your friendmay not have the ears to hear,
but you could say the next timeshe's worrying like that, you're
not helping, say I love youvery much but you're not helping
.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I did tell her that actually.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I mean, you know, sometimes we just don't want to
hear that, because we thinkwe're helping by worrying about
things.
We're helping about, you know,pushing against it and make it
stop and tell people how wethink they should be.
It doesn't work that way.
We've tried that for a lot ofyears.
It just doesn't work.
You know so well.
You know, michelle, this is sofunny because we started this
(01:01:24):
conversation tonight going Idon't know what should we talk
about?
And we've been talking for alittle over an hour, so this was
fun.
Yeah, it was fun, thanks somuch yeah, we came up with some
interesting stuff.
I think that'll be good foodfor thought for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Yeah, yeah, and I, you know, I think it's funny
because like I, after thisconversation with you, like I
really I feel a whole lot better, I feel a lot less fearful and
I feel I actually do feelrejuvenated, so it's kind of,
you know, so my card wasn'texactly wrong.
I don't think that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Just for those of you out there, michelle pulled up a
card yesterday for you know,like what should we talk about?
And she pulled one up today.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
It was the same exact card both days out of a Oracle
deck and the card wasrejuvenation.
Yeah, so there you go.
So thank you for that.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
That's a good point.
Well, I hope you all out thereare rejuvenated as well.
Thank you very much, Michelle,for coming back on and talking
with me.
I've enjoyed it.
Thank you very much for havingme.
You're very welcome.
And to all of you out there,you can find me at
mysticaltruthscom.
Thank you.
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