January 10, 2025 • 33 mins
We explore the emotional and spiritual complexities of ending one's own life, emphasizing compassion and understanding over judgment. This episode discusses free will, societal influences, and the importance of unconditional love.
• Amanda shares her questions after communicating with a friend whose aunt ended her own life
• Discussion on the overwhelming feelings leading to such an event
• Exploration of the misconceptions surrounding religious beliefs about death
• Emphasis on what this type of death means to the soul
• Consideration of life and choices before and after a an unaliving
• Highlighting the potential for healing through discussions
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Rebecca (00:07):
Transcript is AI generated.
Welcome to the Mystical TruthsPodcast.
This is Rebecca and I'm reallyglad you're here.
Let's unlock your world.
Well, it's been a while it'sbeen a few months since I had a
podcast episode go out.
It's been a busy holiday season.
But I'm back and I have broughtAmanda with me today.
She has some questions and somecomments about taking one's own
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life.
So, Amanda, welcome.
Amanda (00:34):
Thank you.
Rebecca (00:35):
I'm glad you're here, and you said to me and I'm glad
that it's been a little while,because now you can really
refresh my memory about thesituation that we had talked
about before, where you werehelping a friend connect with
his aunt.
Amanda (00:51):
So I was communicating for him and I had known he had
an aunt that had taken her ownlife, but I didn't know what her
name was and how she had doneso, so I was communicating and
when I communicate I feel a lotand feel and taste and smell.
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So I felt immediately like myhead was everywhere and it was
quick.
I'd never experienced that,still being new at this, you
know and he that she had takenhis her own life and it was by a
gunshot to the head.
So that explained that feelingto me.
(01:32):
And then that brought up thequestions that I emailed you,
because I was brought upcatholic and you're told that
taking your own life you'regonna end up in a bad place.
You shouldn't do that.
It's, or it makes you seem likeyou're a weak person.
So those are just a couple ofmy questions and I know that you
probably can give us somedirection and some help on that.
Rebecca (01:54):
I appreciate that.
Well, you know.
First, I want to say that youknow Amanda.
When she says she'scommunicating, she is receiving
information from the other sideand was sharing it with her
friend.
She is receiving informationfrom the other side and was
sharing it with her friend.
So I love how you allowed theinformation to just be what it
was.
You didn't try to change it,you didn't try to decide what
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you were getting.
You just clearly said I feellike my head is everywhere,
which is an odd statement,because that really doesn't mean
anything to us normally.
Like how can our head beeverywhere?
It just doesn't make any sense.
But as soon as you said that,just as you received it which is
what I always encourage peopleto do don't decide anything
about it or change it, keep itexactly the way you're getting
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it it made sense to himimmediately that she took her
own life by gunshot to the head.
To me, that was always my proofthat I have to be doing this
accurately.
Where would we come up withsomething like that?
You know, there are so manyways that people take their own
lives and of course that's oneof them, but there are many ways
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, and so that wouldn't makesense for a lot of the other
ways that people take theirlives.
So that's why you always wantto stick with exactly what you
get.
As far as your questions, Ithink, first, it's important to
consider that we have free will,completely we have free will,
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and that means that we do havethe right and the ability to end
this life experience if wechoose to.
We're that free.
It's not necessarilyrecommended, not because there's
anything wrong with it, but theother side tells us, because we
had a plan when we came here.
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We had some things that wewanted to expand about and
accomplish, so to speak, whilewe were here.
That's the whole point.
We're creators that come hereto create and to make eternity
eternal, to always have newdesires, always have new things
and more and more and more.
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But this is a world of contrastand a lot of variety, especially
these days.
There's just a lot going on.
There's a lot of opinions andpeople are spouting their
opinions and wanting everybodyelse to follow what they think
their opinions are, becauseeverybody's right, you know,
everybody's right in their ownmind, and so with so much going
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on, it can be overwhelming.
The conditionings that we getas we grow up, the confusion of
things, it can be a lot, and Ithink anybody today can say that
, but for some people it's justa lot.
Over time, over time, over time, over time, things just build.
(04:40):
I really don't think that peopledecide to take their own life
just all of a sudden.
I think it's something thatjust sort of creeps in there
that just becomes a thing moreand more and more over time.
Can you imagine how overwhelmedand powerless a person would
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have to be to do that?
Because at that point you'renot really even thinking about
other people so much.
At least it doesn't become themore important thing.
The more important thingbecomes I'm done, or I've got to
escape, or I just can't do thisanymore.
(05:22):
Everything else, as far as themess I'll leave, the people that
will be sad by this ortraumatized by it or whatever,
all of that is just not reallycalculated.
I don't think very much at thatpoint, because there's so much
stuff that's overpowering thatthat has just become over time
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bigger than that.
So I think we should havecompassion and understand.
We've all been extremelyoverwhelmed and probably
everybody, I know I have, therehave been times in my life where
I just thought I want to bedone, I want out, I don't want
to do this anymore, I don't wantto be on this planet, I don't
want to be in a body.
I's stupid, it's hard, I'm donewith it.
But we have an instinct tosurvive and that's the thing
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that most people can kick in andwe go to sleep eventually and
that's like hitting a resetbutton.
So that works for a long time.
But for some people they'rejust really done and I think if
we get easier about this wholething, it may be at some point
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it won't be so traumatic.
We tell people that you can'thave assisted death.
Even when somebody isdefinitely already dying, we
can't help them get there faster.
In most cases it's becoming alittle more a thing.
So we have this big hang-upabout death when they tell us
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it's like just leaving a smoky,stuffy room that you're tired of
being in and going into a nicefresh air space.
Except it's a lot better thanthat.
So it's a wonderful thing, it'ssomething we all want inside.
Our inner being doesn't want tostay here forever.
We can go whenever we want.
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But, like I was going to say,the other side tells us that
it's really a matter of, butyou've come this far, you know,
you set this whole thing up foryourself, you came in, you knew
that.
I think that you know somesouls know that that might be a
potential that this could getrough enough for me that I might
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check out early.
We may know that that's apossibility in a hard life that
we choose.
But we still want to come inhere and have at it, we still
want to go for it.
And so anybody that has said tome over the years I just I'm
done, I want to check out, Iwant to take my own life.
My answer to that is go ahead,you're free enough to do that.
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There's no spiritual lawagainst that.
You're not in any kind oftrouble because it's seen
through love from the other sidewhy, it's understood why we get
to that.
But maybe, you could stick itout, instead of going and
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getting a whole new body andcoming back in because we do
want to do this thing, we willcome back and re-approach it
from a different angle or from anew perspective, a new body.
As a soul, we don't give up onthe things that we want to
expand to.
So if you've come this far intoit, why check out now?
Maybe there are ways to changewhat's going on here.
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And, if somebody is, if theyhave a little bit in them that
can go there, they'll go there,they will stay and they'll be
open to even little incrementsof ways where things can get a
little better and a littlebetter and a little better.
But if they just don't havethat, then they just don't.
Then they can take their life.
(09:02):
And they tell us on the otherside when we do that, we
generally, withdraw from thephysical focus and think to
ourselves, I could have stuckthat out, oh, I could have stuck
that out.
But it's okay.
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We're more disappointed inourselves than anybody else is
or than anything else is.
So it's well understood fromthe other side how we get to
that point.
And it is okay if we choose to,even in a traumatic way like
that, where it could be verydifficult for the people
still here, we still, you knowit's all right.
We're not in trouble foranything that we do here.
But as a soul we want to expandpast all of that.
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Of course we don't want to hurtother people.
We want to be able to come inhere and make it through life
without too much damage alongthe way.
We know this is a big messyplace.
We know there's going to bestuff.
Every single one of us has hurtsomebody else, whether we meant
to or not, and so we can letourselves off the hook.
I think many people are muchtoo hard on themselves and
(10:13):
that's why I'm saying over time,I think it just happens where
people get to that place.
Amanda (10:19):
But what was interesting was she wasn't sorry that she
ended it like that.
But she was not even like sorry, she just felt bad that she
left so much chaos for everybodyaround.
But then she had said somethingthat was interesting, that was
(10:40):
for you and me as well, meaningfor him and the family around
him and her as well.
Like you had said about it wasknown that it's something that
could have happened, and theonly thing I know was she owned
a restaurant, so that'sstressful, so she probably put
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on a lot of stress and she saidthat it was more than she
thought she could, you know, "Ididn't think I could handle it
Now that I went througheverything I knew I could have.
I should have just pushed and Ididn't.
Rebecca (11:14):
I'm glad that she communicated that through you to
him because, again, that is,like you said, important for you
to hear and important for himand his family to hear that
they're not sorry for it.
There's nothing to be sorry for, it's the stuff of life.
You know, it's how we rollsometimes, but there still is
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that sense of I did hurt somepeople and I did give up, I
bailed.
B ut, when they say that,there's no, I don't believe
there's any downer energy tothat.
I think it's just fact.
I think it's takingresponsibility, it's taking sort
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of ownership or whatever for,yeah, that's a thing.
Like I made those choices.
I thought life got too big forme.
It didn't, but I thought it did.
I thought I was powerless.
There are many times wherepeople, for even financial
reasons maybe where they feellike they're just under a
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current they can't get out of,they're in massive debt or
they're overwhelmed over manythings and they just feel like
the only way out is to check out.
And that's why one of thethings I just love to teach is
there are always solutions,always to everything.
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I mean, that is just a basicpart of life, that when we see
something here that sparks adesire in us, there are always
multiple solutions to that orways to that desire.
But if we have been convinced,or convinced ourselves, that
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that's not true, then we can'tsee them.
So this happens in little wayswith people and in big ways with
people.
If you just get to where youthink my life is so bad or my
options are zero, except forthat one, which is to check out.
If that's the only one they cansee that makes any sense or
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that just seems real to them,then they take it.
But there are always, always,always other options, just like
you said to me earlier when wedid the test run.
You said that just fromlistening to this podcast,
you've noticed changes and thatyou had an experience recently
where you just stepped in somedog poop and it could have set
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your day completely in a poordirection.
But because of just theunderstandings that you're
coming to and have come to, youdidn't let that happen.
Amanda (14:04):
I cleaned it up and I went on with my day.
It was Friday, it snowed alittle but it was nice, you know
.
So, yeah, I didn't let thatover.
You know I could have went.
Oh, this is going to behorrible, I don't, you know I'm
rushing around, whatever, but no.
Rebecca (14:19):
Yep, there's another sign that I'm screwed.
There's another sign that my life sucks.
You know, people do it all daylong, every day, and so you can
see how little things like thatcan start to add up Right.
So now you really feel like, oh,this is just crap, literally
crap.
And then it's like a dominoeffect, either direction you go
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with it.
If you want to go in the yeah,well, this is okay, I can clean
this up, not a big deal.
This has no power over mybeautiful day, that will domino.
But you can very easily say,well, yep, that's a sign that my
life is crap and I'm sick ofthis.
And then there goes the dominoeffect that way, and when we do
that over and over and over andover, it gets bigger and it
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seems more overwhelming.
And then it's 10 more thingsand five more things and it just
seems to be more than we canhandle.
More than we can handle, whichit's nice when people can catch
it before it goes too far andreach out for help or some kind
of guidance.
But I've heard many people sayover the years that we had no
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idea this person was evendepressed.
We had no idea that this personwas even close to thinking
about taking their own life.
We didn't see any signs.
Sometimes that is the casewhere it's such an internal
thing and we can keep the facadeup that nobody sees it coming,
(15:53):
which is okay.
We get to do this life howeverwe want.
Amanda (15:56):
She said that she needed more time in the classroom.
Rebecca (16:01):
She said from the other side.
Amanda (16:02):
Yeah, she explained to me that she was taking classes
and stuff that she should havetook more or learned more before
she came back.
And she was too.
How did she say it?
She was too eager, like youknow.
She came back too early, Iguess is what into a body, into
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experience, too early andwithout, like she just wasn't
ready.
I guess is what I understoodabout the conversation.
Rebecca (16:33):
And you know, I've heard it said too that, since we
focus a fraction of ourattention through this physical
body, the smaller percentage.
The bigger percentage of us/thesoul is not physically focused.
And I've heard it said throughthe years that if and this was
especially in Michael Newton'swork when he did the between
life research, some of them weresaying I didn't focus a big
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enough percentage of my energyinto that difficult life that I
chose.
In other words, maybe and theseare just numbers I'm making up,
but let's say you focus 21% ofyour energy through a body, but
this life's going to be a prettyrocky one and maybe 25 would
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have got you through.
It Makes sense because we dohave that inner being.
We have the rest of us that'snot physically focused, which is
still the whole we're notseparated from.
So in a sense, it's sort oflike if I'm having this
conversation with you, Amanda,and I hear something in my yard,
I can still be here and havethis conversation with you, but
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part of me is paying attentionto what's going on out there, in
case it's something that I needto take care of, right?
So if I give it just a teenybit of attention, I could miss
some things.
But if I keep talking to youand I give it just a little bit
more attention, I get more data,I get more clarity on what's
happening there.
So we know what it's like tomultitask.
(18:00):
And that would be similar, Iguess, to how this is with a
soul.
You have a percentage of youvery intently focused through
this human body into this lifeexperience and in this case, in
our case, the percentage that'shere in the body that we know is
us right now is calling theshots.
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That's why, as much as her, forexample, her inner being, I'm
sure, was giving her plenty ofguidance that said "you just
don't have to bail, you can dothis, I've got your back, you
know all of that stuff, I've gotyour back, you know all of that
stuff.
I'm sure guidance was streamingfrom that rest of her that
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would have preferred her as awhole would have preferred to
just keep on, keeping on.
But because we are actuallycalling the shots and we can
tune that out and we do itwithout knowing that we're doing
it, oftentimes then we justmake that decision all by
ourselves and so we make adecision that maybe isn't the
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best for us.
But here we are right.
We knew that before we came in.
It's sort of like the mazeanalogy that I've used before.
You know, here we are in thisbig living, breathing,
ever-changing maze and everybodyelse is in this maze and we're
all intertwining in this hugeliving maze and we have eyes in
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the sky that are guiding us,stream of well-being, a stream
of guidance to every single oneof us from our inner self and
from others that is giving us aheads up about some things or
just simply encouraging us.
We can hear it as kids, we hearit very easily.
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We sense it, we just follow it.
We don't know.
We're like birds and squirrels,we don't know, we just follow
it.
We don't call it guidance.
You don't hear kids say well, Iheard my inner being say that
it would be good for me to goand play with this kid right now
.
They just go and play with thekid because it lights up, it
feels like a good idea.
So the more we "get in this maze, I think the more conditioned
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we get and the more you knowthings just get kicked up for us
.
We lose a lot of thatconnection.
It's still there, but we're sofocused and so distracted with
what's outside of us here thatwe don't really hear or sense
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what's inside of us, which isthat guidance, that's where it's
at.
What's inside of us, which isthat guidance, that's where it's
at All of life is guiding us,but the best, the most direct, I
think, is coming from within us.
So if we're just so crazydistracted outside of us all the
time, what are we missing?
Right, we're missing that voicethat's saying, no, really you
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can, you can do this.
Right, go talk.
Missing that voice that's saying, no, really, you can do this.
Go talk to that person.
Or go take a nap.
Or look in your wallet rightnow.
There's something in there thatwill remind you of something
that will give you some kind ofhope or something else to hold
on to, or a new idea aboutsomething.
But, like I said, it's ouroption here.
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We're free to tune that out orto let it in.
So hopefully, people listeningto this will relate in that way
to understand it doesn't have togo to extremes here.
You asked if it's ever writtenin a life plan, suicide.
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I don't believe it's written ina life plan, but I think us
knowing that it could be apotential would be in there.
I don't think we decide to dothat before we come in, but we
know that that could come up.
Yeah, it could come up.
This would be a rocky one thatcould happen.
Amanda (21:58):
And the other question I had was people that do end
their own life, do they tend tocome back into the physical
quicker?
Rebecca (22:09):
I believe that varies.
In the experiences that I'vecome across, I think they may
come back and I've heard oftenwhere they will, because they
just want to, you know, get backat it.
While it's still fresh, but Ithink it would just depend If
you need a little more time, youneed a little more adjusting or
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whatever before you come backin.
I think it's very individual toeach soul and there's a lot of
freedom in that.
Everything that I've gatheredover the years would tell me
that it would be highly unlikelyfor the soul not to come back
in.
We expand in ways that we don'tget otherwise.
This is experiential learning,this is experiential expansion.
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You know yourself when youlearned how to drive.
Nobody said watch this videoand we'll show you everything
about driving and then you'll bea good driver.
Here's your license.
Never.
We have to get in the vehicle.
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We have to experience it forourselves.
We have to make some mistakeswith it.
Amanda (23:36):
Practice.
Rebecca (23:38):
We get better and better and better at it.
And then we have the knowledge,we have the experience because
we lived it.
You know we actually did thattactile thing of touching the
car, maneuvering it.
So, and you asked too about youbeing Catholic.
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You know just the over theyears, Ii's just amazing.
You know the BS basically.
Amanda (24:11):
Yes.
Rebecca (24:12):
That has come out of a lot of religions, and I'm not
against religion.
I think they have so muchwonderfulness to them.
But people are people and havegotten caught up in a lot of
fear and control and doubt andmisunderstanding and all kinds
of stuff, just trying to survive, just trying to make it through
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.
And so there's.
.
.
You know, what do you do?
When your church says to youthis is the truth, you think,
well, you're the church, you'vebeen around for a while, you
seem to be closer to God.
You should know.
So, okay, I'm in.
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But, from an early age I justcouldn't go in.
I loved the whole thing and Iwent to different churches with
different friends because we'refrom Pittsburgh.
Every religion pretty much ishere.
You can experience all kinds ofdifferent churches just in your
own hometown, which iswonderful.
But it's just kind of sillythat they're saying this at that
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church but they're sayingdifferent things at the other
church.
And then I hear about theseother churches and it just made
me start to question, like, dowe do they really have it right?
I think the basis is good.
But anytime I heard things likeif you do this, you're going to
this really, really bad placethat you will have no control
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about, that just did not sitwith me.
It didn't feel true at all.
And anytime I heard, if you dosomething like take your own
life, you're in big trouble.
I couldn't go there eitherbecause I thought, you know,
what feels true to me is thatthere's an ever-present,
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ever-loving intelligence, thatfeels right to me, that feels
true.
And if that is the case, howwould that intelligence that
loves us unconditionally do thator sign us up for that?
It's funny how fear and I getit, maybe it was just easier
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over the years to guilt peopleor to fear people into behaving
the way other people thoughtthey should.
Maybe they even felt that itwas
You know, if you take your ownlife, you're in all this trouble
and it's just going to beterrible, maybe that will make
people not take their own life.
But that didn't work, did it?
(26:55):
Nope, just didn't work, becausewhen you get to that point,
nothing else matters, not whatyou've been taught I've even
wondered about.
You know how people are.
What do you think when you knowyou're going to die and you
know you have done some things?
Because we're human, we allhave, like I said, we've all
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hurt people, we've, all donesome things that we could say,
Well, if there's a God that'sjudgmental, I'm in trouble for
at least one thing.
So how does it feel when you'reready to make that transition
and now the shit just got real.
You're going to meet yourmakers, they say, and be judged.
(27:42):
That must be horrifying.
But I believe, once thetransition happens, that all
goes away, because that is not athing at all.
So how refreshing that must beonce the transition happens, to
go, oh gosh, it wasn't even allthat Like.
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I'm not in any trouble.
There's no such thing as beingin trouble.
There is being accountable.
So it's funny how we've justput these fears and
conditionings.
I don't believe at all thatfree will means free will,
except for.
.
.
Free will is free will.
So we do get to choose.
(28:23):
So it's nice to get away fromthose thoughts that are so
damning and so heavy about deathor taking one's own life.
We are getting better at itthough.
(28:44):
I think this whole shift thatwe're in right now, this whole
change, .
.
maybe I'll do an episode aboutit pretty soon.
I've just discovered a newpodcast that I think I'll talk
about soon.
That is so interesting aboutwhat some nonverbal people are
up to.
That just puts another layer onwhy everything is just coming
(29:05):
out right now.
Why are so many things beingtalked about and recognized and
realized, and even so much as tous being able to openly talk
about the things we don't agreewith in religion?
That wasn't something you coulddo a while back and put out on
a podcast anyway, right, so it'snice that we can do this.
So any other questions aboutthat?
(29:26):
Did I cover it for you?
Amanda (29:27):
You absolutely did.
Thank you so much.
Rebecca (29:29):
Oh, you're welcome and you know, kudos to you for, you
know, doing such a great jobcommunicating with the other
side and letting it be just afree, flowing conversation,
without putting any of your ownopinions in there or your own.
This is what I think she'ssaying, or this is what she
should be saying.
You just literally let hercommunicate and it's something
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that you know, it's.
It's.
It's sort of easy to get it offtrack because we want to be
accurate, we want to, withoutrealizing it, put our
interpretation on it.
When, if we just repeat, justbe a parrot, you know, and
(30:13):
repeat what we're feeling orsensing or hearing, it stays.
It stays accurate, thenabsolutely.
Amanda (30:20):
I feel like she was very .
.
.
what's the word?
Demanding or like she wanted meto to feel it.
And she just was persistentthat I say it because I was like
I'm not gonna say this, andshe's like, just say it and I
said it.
I was like I feel like myhead's everywhere, you know, and
(30:42):
it just came out like that.
So I'm learning from you.
I've tried to just try to sayexactly what it is, because it
doesn't have to mean anything toyou.
It's not for you, it's for theperson you're communicating with
.
Rebecca (30:56):
That's true.
Amanda (31:03):
And 10 times out of 10, since I've done it and let it go
, it's meant something to thatperson.
You know, so yeah, you go withit.
You can't argue with that.
Rebecca (31:09):
I think it just works out so much better, because who
are we to say what this shouldbe or how it should be said, or
delivered, or whatever?
It's just makes sense to methat if we translate, it's just
like if we're translating fromone language to another.
You just literally translate,you just say what they said in
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the English words, and so thisis very similar, even with the
emotion that you get with it orany feelings or smells, like you
said, or other sensations.
Keep it exactly the way you'regetting it.
Exactly the way you're gettingit, because they know very well
how to make it perfect, so whywould we change it?
So, in any event, I hope we'vehelped at least a few people
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with a few of the things thatwe've talked about here as far
as taking one's own life andeven communicating with the
other side.
Amanda (32:02):
Absolutely.
Rebecca (32:04):
So thank you, Amanda, for being here and for bringing
your questions.
I appreciate it.
Amanda (32:08):
Absolutely.
Thank you for having me.
Rebecca (32:11):
All right, and to all of you out there, there is more
to come.
I have a project that I've beenworking on for months and I'm
getting close to completion onit.
If there is such a thing lol,so I'll be giving you
information on that and maybe Iwill do an episode soon on the
(32:31):
non-communicative individuals.
I'll get into it anotherepisode, but I think it's just
so interesting for where we'reat today.
So until then, I wish you allthe best.
You can find me atMysticalTruths.
com.
Transcript is AI generated.
Welcome to the Mystical TruthsPodcast.
This is Rebecca and I'm reallyglad you're here.
Let's unlock your world.
Well, it's been a while it'sbeen a few months since I had a
podcast episode go out.
It's been a busy holiday season.
But I'm back and I have broughtAmanda with me today.
She has some questions and somecomments about taking one's own
(00:32):
life.
So, Amanda, welcome.
Amanda (00:34):
Thank you.
Rebecca (00:35):
I'm glad you're here, and you said to me and I'm glad
that it's been a little while,because now you can really
refresh my memory about thesituation that we had talked
about before, where you werehelping a friend connect with
his aunt.
Amanda (00:51):
So I was communicating for him and I had known he had
an aunt that had taken her ownlife, but I didn't know what her
name was and how she had doneso, so I was communicating and
when I communicate I feel a lotand feel and taste and smell.
(01:11):
So I felt immediately like myhead was everywhere and it was
quick.
I'd never experienced that,still being new at this, you
know and he that she had takenhis her own life and it was by a
gunshot to the head.
So that explained that feelingto me.
(01:32):
And then that brought up thequestions that I emailed you,
because I was brought upcatholic and you're told that
taking your own life you'regonna end up in a bad place.
You shouldn't do that.
It's, or it makes you seem likeyou're a weak person.
So those are just a couple ofmy questions and I know that you
probably can give us somedirection and some help on that.
Rebecca (01:54):
I appreciate that.
Well, you know.
First, I want to say that youknow Amanda.
When she says she'scommunicating, she is receiving
information from the other sideand was sharing it with her
friend.
She is receiving informationfrom the other side and was
sharing it with her friend.
So I love how you allowed theinformation to just be what it
was.
You didn't try to change it,you didn't try to decide what
(02:15):
you were getting.
You just clearly said I feellike my head is everywhere,
which is an odd statement,because that really doesn't mean
anything to us normally.
Like how can our head beeverywhere?
It just doesn't make any sense.
But as soon as you said that,just as you received it which is
what I always encourage peopleto do don't decide anything
about it or change it, keep itexactly the way you're getting
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it it made sense to himimmediately that she took her
own life by gunshot to the head.
To me, that was always my proofthat I have to be doing this
accurately.
Where would we come up withsomething like that?
You know, there are so manyways that people take their own
lives and of course that's oneof them, but there are many ways
(02:59):
, and so that wouldn't makesense for a lot of the other
ways that people take theirlives.
So that's why you always wantto stick with exactly what you
get.
As far as your questions, Ithink, first, it's important to
consider that we have free will,completely we have free will,
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and that means that we do havethe right and the ability to end
this life experience if wechoose to.
We're that free.
It's not necessarilyrecommended, not because there's
anything wrong with it, but theother side tells us, because we
had a plan when we came here.
(03:40):
We had some things that wewanted to expand about and
accomplish, so to speak, whilewe were here.
That's the whole point.
We're creators that come hereto create and to make eternity
eternal, to always have newdesires, always have new things
and more and more and more.
(04:00):
But this is a world of contrastand a lot of variety, especially
these days.
There's just a lot going on.
There's a lot of opinions andpeople are spouting their
opinions and wanting everybodyelse to follow what they think
their opinions are, becauseeverybody's right, you know,
everybody's right in their ownmind, and so with so much going
(04:20):
on, it can be overwhelming.
The conditionings that we getas we grow up, the confusion of
things, it can be a lot, and Ithink anybody today can say that
, but for some people it's justa lot.
Over time, over time, over time, over time, things just build.
(04:40):
I really don't think that peopledecide to take their own life
just all of a sudden.
I think it's something thatjust sort of creeps in there
that just becomes a thing moreand more and more over time.
Can you imagine how overwhelmedand powerless a person would
(05:02):
have to be to do that?
Because at that point you'renot really even thinking about
other people so much.
At least it doesn't become themore important thing.
The more important thingbecomes I'm done, or I've got to
escape, or I just can't do thisanymore.
(05:22):
Everything else, as far as themess I'll leave, the people that
will be sad by this ortraumatized by it or whatever,
all of that is just not reallycalculated.
I don't think very much at thatpoint, because there's so much
stuff that's overpowering thatthat has just become over time
(05:43):
bigger than that.
So I think we should havecompassion and understand.
We've all been extremelyoverwhelmed and probably
everybody, I know I have, therehave been times in my life where
I just thought I want to bedone, I want out, I don't want
to do this anymore, I don't wantto be on this planet, I don't
want to be in a body.
I's stupid, it's hard, I'm donewith it.
But we have an instinct tosurvive and that's the thing
(06:04):
that most people can kick in andwe go to sleep eventually and
that's like hitting a resetbutton.
So that works for a long time.
But for some people they'rejust really done and I think if
we get easier about this wholething, it may be at some point
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it won't be so traumatic.
We tell people that you can'thave assisted death.
Even when somebody isdefinitely already dying, we
can't help them get there faster.
In most cases it's becoming alittle more a thing.
So we have this big hang-upabout death when they tell us
(06:47):
it's like just leaving a smoky,stuffy room that you're tired of
being in and going into a nicefresh air space.
Except it's a lot better thanthat.
So it's a wonderful thing, it'ssomething we all want inside.
Our inner being doesn't want tostay here forever.
We can go whenever we want.
(07:08):
But, like I was going to say,the other side tells us that
it's really a matter of, butyou've come this far, you know,
you set this whole thing up foryourself, you came in, you knew
that.
I think that you know somesouls know that that might be a
potential that this could getrough enough for me that I might
(07:30):
check out early.
We may know that that's apossibility in a hard life that
we choose.
But we still want to come inhere and have at it, we still
want to go for it.
And so anybody that has said tome over the years I just I'm
done, I want to check out, Iwant to take my own life.
My answer to that is go ahead,you're free enough to do that.
(07:54):
There's no spiritual lawagainst that.
You're not in any kind oftrouble because it's seen
through love from the other sidewhy, it's understood why we get
to that.
But maybe, you could stick itout, instead of going and
(08:17):
getting a whole new body andcoming back in because we do
want to do this thing, we willcome back and re-approach it
from a different angle or from anew perspective, a new body.
As a soul, we don't give up onthe things that we want to
expand to.
So if you've come this far intoit, why check out now?
Maybe there are ways to changewhat's going on here.
(08:40):
And, if somebody is, if theyhave a little bit in them that
can go there, they'll go there,they will stay and they'll be
open to even little incrementsof ways where things can get a
little better and a littlebetter and a little better.
But if they just don't havethat, then they just don't.
Then they can take their life.
(09:02):
And they tell us on the otherside when we do that, we
generally, withdraw from thephysical focus and think to
ourselves, I could have stuckthat out, oh, I could have stuck
that out.
But it's okay.
(09:22):
We're more disappointed inourselves than anybody else is
or than anything else is.
So it's well understood fromthe other side how we get to
that point.
And it is okay if we choose to,even in a traumatic way like
that, where it could be verydifficult for the people
still here, we still, you knowit's all right.
We're not in trouble foranything that we do here.
But as a soul we want to expandpast all of that.
(09:50):
Of course we don't want to hurtother people.
We want to be able to come inhere and make it through life
without too much damage alongthe way.
We know this is a big messyplace.
We know there's going to bestuff.
Every single one of us has hurtsomebody else, whether we meant
to or not, and so we can letourselves off the hook.
I think many people are muchtoo hard on themselves and
(10:13):
that's why I'm saying over time,I think it just happens where
people get to that place.
Amanda (10:19):
But what was interesting was she wasn't sorry that she
ended it like that.
But she was not even like sorry, she just felt bad that she
left so much chaos for everybodyaround.
But then she had said somethingthat was interesting, that was
(10:40):
for you and me as well, meaningfor him and the family around
him and her as well.
Like you had said about it wasknown that it's something that
could have happened, and theonly thing I know was she owned
a restaurant, so that'sstressful, so she probably put
(11:01):
on a lot of stress and she saidthat it was more than she
thought she could, you know, "Ididn't think I could handle it
Now that I went througheverything I knew I could have.
I should have just pushed and Ididn't.
Rebecca (11:14):
I'm glad that she communicated that through you to
him because, again, that is,like you said, important for you
to hear and important for himand his family to hear that
they're not sorry for it.
There's nothing to be sorry for, it's the stuff of life.
You know, it's how we rollsometimes, but there still is
(11:35):
that sense of I did hurt somepeople and I did give up, I
bailed.
B ut, when they say that,there's no, I don't believe
there's any downer energy tothat.
I think it's just fact.
I think it's takingresponsibility, it's taking sort
(11:57):
of ownership or whatever for,yeah, that's a thing.
Like I made those choices.
I thought life got too big forme.
It didn't, but I thought it did.
I thought I was powerless.
There are many times wherepeople, for even financial
reasons maybe where they feellike they're just under a
(12:21):
current they can't get out of,they're in massive debt or
they're overwhelmed over manythings and they just feel like
the only way out is to check out.
And that's why one of thethings I just love to teach is
there are always solutions,always to everything.
(12:42):
I mean, that is just a basicpart of life, that when we see
something here that sparks adesire in us, there are always
multiple solutions to that orways to that desire.
But if we have been convinced,or convinced ourselves, that
(13:05):
that's not true, then we can'tsee them.
So this happens in little wayswith people and in big ways with
people.
If you just get to where youthink my life is so bad or my
options are zero, except forthat one, which is to check out.
If that's the only one they cansee that makes any sense or
(13:29):
that just seems real to them,then they take it.
But there are always, always,always other options, just like
you said to me earlier when wedid the test run.
You said that just fromlistening to this podcast,
you've noticed changes and thatyou had an experience recently
where you just stepped in somedog poop and it could have set
(13:53):
your day completely in a poordirection.
But because of just theunderstandings that you're
coming to and have come to, youdidn't let that happen.
Amanda (14:04):
I cleaned it up and I went on with my day.
It was Friday, it snowed alittle but it was nice, you know
.
So, yeah, I didn't let thatover.
You know I could have went.
Oh, this is going to behorrible, I don't, you know I'm
rushing around, whatever, but no.
Rebecca (14:19):
Yep, there's another sign that I'm screwed.
There's another sign that my life sucks.
You know, people do it all daylong, every day, and so you can
see how little things like thatcan start to add up Right.
So now you really feel like, oh,this is just crap, literally
crap.
And then it's like a dominoeffect, either direction you go
(14:40):
with it.
If you want to go in the yeah,well, this is okay, I can clean
this up, not a big deal.
This has no power over mybeautiful day, that will domino.
But you can very easily say,well, yep, that's a sign that my
life is crap and I'm sick ofthis.
And then there goes the dominoeffect that way, and when we do
that over and over and over andover, it gets bigger and it
(15:06):
seems more overwhelming.
And then it's 10 more thingsand five more things and it just
seems to be more than we canhandle.
More than we can handle, whichit's nice when people can catch
it before it goes too far andreach out for help or some kind
of guidance.
But I've heard many people sayover the years that we had no
(15:31):
idea this person was evendepressed.
We had no idea that this personwas even close to thinking
about taking their own life.
We didn't see any signs.
Sometimes that is the casewhere it's such an internal
thing and we can keep the facadeup that nobody sees it coming,
(15:53):
which is okay.
We get to do this life howeverwe want.
Amanda (15:56):
She said that she needed more time in the classroom.
Rebecca (16:01):
She said from the other side.
Amanda (16:02):
Yeah, she explained to me that she was taking classes
and stuff that she should havetook more or learned more before
she came back.
And she was too.
How did she say it?
She was too eager, like youknow.
She came back too early, Iguess is what into a body, into
(16:22):
experience, too early andwithout, like she just wasn't
ready.
I guess is what I understoodabout the conversation.
Rebecca (16:33):
And you know, I've heard it said too that, since we
focus a fraction of ourattention through this physical
body, the smaller percentage.
The bigger percentage of us/thesoul is not physically focused.
And I've heard it said throughthe years that if and this was
especially in Michael Newton'swork when he did the between
life research, some of them weresaying I didn't focus a big
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enough percentage of my energyinto that difficult life that I
chose.
In other words, maybe and theseare just numbers I'm making up,
but let's say you focus 21% ofyour energy through a body, but
this life's going to be a prettyrocky one and maybe 25 would
(17:16):
have got you through.
It Makes sense because we dohave that inner being.
We have the rest of us that'snot physically focused, which is
still the whole we're notseparated from.
So in a sense, it's sort oflike if I'm having this
conversation with you, Amanda,and I hear something in my yard,
I can still be here and havethis conversation with you, but
(17:37):
part of me is paying attentionto what's going on out there, in
case it's something that I needto take care of, right?
So if I give it just a teenybit of attention, I could miss
some things.
But if I keep talking to youand I give it just a little bit
more attention, I get more data,I get more clarity on what's
happening there.
So we know what it's like tomultitask.
(18:00):
And that would be similar, Iguess, to how this is with a
soul.
You have a percentage of youvery intently focused through
this human body into this lifeexperience and in this case, in
our case, the percentage that'shere in the body that we know is
us right now is calling theshots.
(18:20):
That's why, as much as her, forexample, her inner being, I'm
sure, was giving her plenty ofguidance that said "you just
don't have to bail, you can dothis, I've got your back, you
know all of that stuff, I've gotyour back, you know all of that
stuff.
I'm sure guidance was streamingfrom that rest of her that
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would have preferred her as awhole would have preferred to
just keep on, keeping on.
But because we are actuallycalling the shots and we can
tune that out and we do itwithout knowing that we're doing
it, oftentimes then we justmake that decision all by
ourselves and so we make adecision that maybe isn't the
(19:06):
best for us.
But here we are right.
We knew that before we came in.
It's sort of like the mazeanalogy that I've used before.
You know, here we are in thisbig living, breathing,
ever-changing maze and everybodyelse is in this maze and we're
all intertwining in this hugeliving maze and we have eyes in
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the sky that are guiding us,stream of well-being, a stream
of guidance to every single oneof us from our inner self and
from others that is giving us aheads up about some things or
just simply encouraging us.
We can hear it as kids, we hearit very easily.
(19:51):
We sense it, we just follow it.
We don't know.
We're like birds and squirrels,we don't know, we just follow
it.
We don't call it guidance.
You don't hear kids say well, Iheard my inner being say that
it would be good for me to goand play with this kid right now
.
They just go and play with thekid because it lights up, it
feels like a good idea.
So the more we "get in this maze, I think the more conditioned
(20:14):
we get and the more you knowthings just get kicked up for us
.
We lose a lot of thatconnection.
It's still there, but we're sofocused and so distracted with
what's outside of us here thatwe don't really hear or sense
(20:35):
what's inside of us, which isthat guidance, that's where it's
at.
What's inside of us, which isthat guidance, that's where it's
at All of life is guiding us,but the best, the most direct, I
think, is coming from within us.
So if we're just so crazydistracted outside of us all the
time, what are we missing?
Right, we're missing that voicethat's saying, no, really you
(20:59):
can, you can do this.
Right, go talk.
Missing that voice that's saying, no, really, you can do this.
Go talk to that person.
Or go take a nap.
Or look in your wallet rightnow.
There's something in there thatwill remind you of something
that will give you some kind ofhope or something else to hold
on to, or a new idea aboutsomething.
But, like I said, it's ouroption here.
(21:21):
We're free to tune that out orto let it in.
So hopefully, people listeningto this will relate in that way
to understand it doesn't have togo to extremes here.
You asked if it's ever writtenin a life plan, suicide.
(21:44):
I don't believe it's written ina life plan, but I think us
knowing that it could be apotential would be in there.
I don't think we decide to dothat before we come in, but we
know that that could come up.
Yeah, it could come up.
This would be a rocky one thatcould happen.
Amanda (21:58):
And the other question I had was people that do end
their own life, do they tend tocome back into the physical
quicker?
Rebecca (22:09):
I believe that varies.
In the experiences that I'vecome across, I think they may
come back and I've heard oftenwhere they will, because they
just want to, you know, get backat it.
While it's still fresh, but Ithink it would just depend If
you need a little more time, youneed a little more adjusting or
(22:31):
whatever before you come backin.
I think it's very individual toeach soul and there's a lot of
freedom in that.
Everything that I've gatheredover the years would tell me
that it would be highly unlikelyfor the soul not to come back
in.
We expand in ways that we don'tget otherwise.
This is experiential learning,this is experiential expansion.
(23:11):
You know yourself when youlearned how to drive.
Nobody said watch this videoand we'll show you everything
about driving and then you'll bea good driver.
Here's your license.
Never.
We have to get in the vehicle.
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We have to experience it forourselves.
We have to make some mistakeswith it.
Amanda (23:36):
Practice.
Rebecca (23:38):
We get better and better and better at it.
And then we have the knowledge,we have the experience because
we lived it.
You know we actually did thattactile thing of touching the
car, maneuvering it.
So, and you asked too about youbeing Catholic.
(23:58):
You know just the over theyears, Ii's just amazing.
You know the BS basically.
Amanda (24:11):
Yes.
Rebecca (24:12):
That has come out of a lot of religions, and I'm not
against religion.
I think they have so muchwonderfulness to them.
But people are people and havegotten caught up in a lot of
fear and control and doubt andmisunderstanding and all kinds
of stuff, just trying to survive, just trying to make it through
(24:33):
.
And so there's.
.
.
You know, what do you do?
When your church says to youthis is the truth, you think,
well, you're the church, you'vebeen around for a while, you
seem to be closer to God.
You should know.
So, okay, I'm in.
(24:55):
But, from an early age I justcouldn't go in.
I loved the whole thing and Iwent to different churches with
different friends because we'refrom Pittsburgh.
Every religion pretty much ishere.
You can experience all kinds ofdifferent churches just in your
own hometown, which iswonderful.
But it's just kind of sillythat they're saying this at that
(25:23):
church but they're sayingdifferent things at the other
church.
And then I hear about theseother churches and it just made
me start to question, like, dowe do they really have it right?
I think the basis is good.
But anytime I heard things likeif you do this, you're going to
this really, really bad placethat you will have no control
(25:46):
about, that just did not sitwith me.
It didn't feel true at all.
And anytime I heard, if you dosomething like take your own
life, you're in big trouble.
I couldn't go there eitherbecause I thought, you know,
what feels true to me is thatthere's an ever-present,
(26:10):
ever-loving intelligence, thatfeels right to me, that feels
true.
And if that is the case, howwould that intelligence that
loves us unconditionally do thator sign us up for that?
It's funny how fear and I getit, maybe it was just easier
(26:34):
over the years to guilt peopleor to fear people into behaving
the way other people thoughtthey should.
Maybe they even felt that itwas
You know, if you take your ownlife, you're in all this trouble
and it's just going to beterrible, maybe that will make
people not take their own life.
But that didn't work, did it?
(26:55):
Nope, just didn't work, becausewhen you get to that point,
nothing else matters, not whatyou've been taught I've even
wondered about.
You know how people are.
What do you think when you knowyou're going to die and you
know you have done some things?
Because we're human, we allhave, like I said, we've all
(27:18):
hurt people, we've, all donesome things that we could say,
Well, if there's a God that'sjudgmental, I'm in trouble for
at least one thing.
So how does it feel when you'reready to make that transition
and now the shit just got real.
You're going to meet yourmakers, they say, and be judged.
(27:42):
That must be horrifying.
But I believe, once thetransition happens, that all
goes away, because that is not athing at all.
So how refreshing that must beonce the transition happens, to
go, oh gosh, it wasn't even allthat Like.
(28:02):
I'm not in any trouble.
There's no such thing as beingin trouble.
There is being accountable.
So it's funny how we've justput these fears and
conditionings.
I don't believe at all thatfree will means free will,
except for.
.
.
Free will is free will.
So we do get to choose.
(28:23):
So it's nice to get away fromthose thoughts that are so
damning and so heavy about deathor taking one's own life.
We are getting better at itthough.
(28:44):
I think this whole shift thatwe're in right now, this whole
change, .
.
maybe I'll do an episode aboutit pretty soon.
I've just discovered a newpodcast that I think I'll talk
about soon.
That is so interesting aboutwhat some nonverbal people are
up to.
That just puts another layer onwhy everything is just coming
(29:05):
out right now.
Why are so many things beingtalked about and recognized and
realized, and even so much as tous being able to openly talk
about the things we don't agreewith in religion?
That wasn't something you coulddo a while back and put out on
a podcast anyway, right, so it'snice that we can do this.
So any other questions aboutthat?
(29:26):
Did I cover it for you?
Amanda (29:27):
You absolutely did.
Thank you so much.
Rebecca (29:29):
Oh, you're welcome and you know, kudos to you for, you
know, doing such a great jobcommunicating with the other
side and letting it be just afree, flowing conversation,
without putting any of your ownopinions in there or your own.
This is what I think she'ssaying, or this is what she
should be saying.
You just literally let hercommunicate and it's something
(29:52):
that you know, it's.
It's.
It's sort of easy to get it offtrack because we want to be
accurate, we want to, withoutrealizing it, put our
interpretation on it.
When, if we just repeat, justbe a parrot, you know, and
(30:13):
repeat what we're feeling orsensing or hearing, it stays.
It stays accurate, thenabsolutely.
Amanda (30:20):
I feel like she was very .
.
.
what's the word?
Demanding or like she wanted meto to feel it.
And she just was persistentthat I say it because I was like
I'm not gonna say this, andshe's like, just say it and I
said it.
I was like I feel like myhead's everywhere, you know, and
(30:42):
it just came out like that.
So I'm learning from you.
I've tried to just try to sayexactly what it is, because it
doesn't have to mean anything toyou.
It's not for you, it's for theperson you're communicating with
.
Rebecca (30:56):
That's true.
Amanda (31:03):
And 10 times out of 10, since I've done it and let it go
, it's meant something to thatperson.
You know, so yeah, you go withit.
You can't argue with that.
Rebecca (31:09):
I think it just works out so much better, because who
are we to say what this shouldbe or how it should be said, or
delivered, or whatever?
It's just makes sense to methat if we translate, it's just
like if we're translating fromone language to another.
You just literally translate,you just say what they said in
(31:31):
the English words, and so thisis very similar, even with the
emotion that you get with it orany feelings or smells, like you
said, or other sensations.
Keep it exactly the way you'regetting it.
Exactly the way you're gettingit, because they know very well
how to make it perfect, so whywould we change it?
So, in any event, I hope we'vehelped at least a few people
(31:56):
with a few of the things thatwe've talked about here as far
as taking one's own life andeven communicating with the
other side.
Amanda (32:02):
Absolutely.
Rebecca (32:04):
So thank you, Amanda, for being here and for bringing
your questions.
I appreciate it.
Amanda (32:08):
Absolutely.
Thank you for having me.
Rebecca (32:11):
All right, and to all of you out there, there is more
to come.
I have a project that I've beenworking on for months and I'm
getting close to completion onit.
If there is such a thing lol,so I'll be giving you
information on that and maybe Iwill do an episode soon on the
(32:31):
non-communicative individuals.
I'll get into it anotherepisode, but I think it's just
so interesting for where we'reat today.
So until then, I wish you allthe best.
You can find me atMysticalTruths.
com.
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