July 13, 2024 • 44 mins
Kimberly joins us in this deeply moving episode to bravely share her concerns about guiding transgender children through life decisions. Her heartfelt questions lead us into a poignant discussion with Rebecca, who offers honey-full insights from a spiritual perspective. Rebecca emphasizes that each child is an eternal soul making intelligent choices, and she urges us to embrace the variety and contrast that life is about, rather than conform to societal norms. We explore the importance of supporting children in listening to their inner selves and embracing their true identities, recognizing that suppressing or dictating someone’s identity only leads to discomfort and resistance.
Continuing this exploration, we acknowledge that a decision to change a child's gender is unique to each child and should not be rushed or influenced, as this is a time a much exploration. By recognizing the diverse expressions of self, we can create a more inclusive and understanding environment. Rebecca highlights that nature itself demonstrates variability in gender roles, reminding us that these differences are a natural part of life and should be honored.
Reflecting on past practices and the evolution of understanding mental health and sexual identity, we stress the need for self-awareness and kindness. Join us in finding ease about diversity, individuality, and our unique journeys.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to the Mystical Truths Podcast.
This is Rebecca, and I'm reallyglad you're here.
Let's unlock your world.
Today I have Kimberly back withme.
She has some thoughts about thetransgender topic, and so
welcome back, Kimberly.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hi Rebecca, thanks for having me Absolutely what's
on your mind.
So I had a question come up.
It's been on my mind a lotlately and that was one of the
reasons I contacted you, becauseI wanted to kind of get your
take on where Spirit was at withit and I put the information
out there to spirit and I feellike they have given me an
(00:49):
answer or given me information.
That's kind of brought me somepeace with the whole subject.
But I wanted to, you know,bring it to you and hear your
thoughts on it.
My main, if you could say thisissue with it isn't people
choosing to be transgender.
I think what adults decide todo, they decide to do.
(01:09):
But my issue with it has beenthe children and I'm really
struggling with that because Ifeel like a lot of agenda is
being pushed and I personallyI'm human, so I have opinions
(01:29):
and I'm entitled to them.
I don't care what adults aredoing in their life.
I think that's whatever,whatever, but I have been really
off put about what's been beingdone to children.
So I kind of wanted to talkwith you about your thoughts on
that, cause I definitely have alot of opinions on that myself
as far as what I think is goingon with the children and um,
(01:53):
like I said, I did kind of putthat out to spirit to kind of
give me an answer, to guide metoward where this is going to
lead.
And um, and I'm always askingWWRS, what would Rebecca say?
Oh, I've been asking that for20 years, rebecca.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
But, um, and so I was asking you know where's the
honey in this?
And so I feel like I've gottensome personal validation from
them for where the honey is init for me regarding the topic
and how I should perhaps handleit when I'm confronted with it.
But yeah, I just kind of wantedto see what you thought
(02:40):
Spirit's thoughts were Okay andyeah, because, like I said, now
I'm now more at peace with itfor the information that I feel
that I got from them.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So, yeah, I just wanted to good hear your
thoughts well, first, I thinkit's important for us all to
remember that, no matter whatphysical age we are here, we're
all eternal souls, so it is.
It's easy for us as adults tolook at kids and go and I'll
(03:08):
wait a minute, they're kids andthey haven't been here long
enough to know how to navigate.
But that's not necessarily true.
We know before we come in whatthe parameters are, what our
potentials are.
We did a lot of picking andchoosing, for good reason,
(03:29):
before we came in and we allhave that interconnection and it
is easy to get talked out of itor to get conditioned to
different fears and beliefs andall kinds of different ideas
that people have decided, madeup and decided thoughts that
people have, conclusions thatpeople have come to.
(03:50):
And so if we remember thatevery child is an intelligent,
mature soul and is attractingand choosing from within, is
attracting and choosing fromwithin, we will help those
(04:10):
children to really listen towhat their inner being is saying
and what their own sense is,rather than twist it around with
what everybody else has decidedRight.
And I really love that thereare more people who are even
maybe confused about theirgender or their sexuality and
(04:31):
speaking out loud about itBecause I think it's real.
I know it's really importantfor us to have variety here and
we tend to want to decide thatGod or source has this thought
about things and these rules andwe should all follow them when
(04:57):
that's not true.
This is the world of variety andcontrast, and so when we want
to try to label things and say,okay, this is the right way,
this is the wrong way, it's, itdoesn't work out well for us
because that's not true, that'snot accurate, right.
So we have souls, many souls,that are coming in, not just
(05:18):
with gender issues or questionsor whatever, or differences, but
with other conditions, orthat's not a condition, but with
conditions, we'll say, that arecausing them to not conform.
They can't or will not conform,you know, and it's not that
somebody chooses from theirphysical aspect to be, say, adhd
(05:39):
or transgender, or gay orheterosexual.
This is something that just isLike.
It's not like kids just wake upone day and go.
You know what?
I think I'm just good, now,that could be.
You know, we experiment,especially when we're younger.
(06:02):
Yeah, right so it is likely thatkids say, well, I do want to
try this out.
Well, that's fine.
But still at our core there's abeingness of what our
preferences are.
And if our preferences are forsame sex, so be it.
If they're for opposite sex orboth, or I have a female body
(06:23):
but I feel male.
Whatever, I think that that isa soul expressing in this
lifetime and it does give peoplethe opportunity to either
accept variety or not.
And when we don't acceptvariety, it feels really
(06:44):
uncomfortable because that'sgoing in a different direction
than who we are as a soul, right.
And when we just let people be,they relax more about it.
You know, when you tell peoplenot to be a certain way, they
really want to be that way.
Now.
It's just like when kids areyoung teenagers and you say,
well, don't do that.
We, we forbid you to do that.
(07:05):
They can't stop thinking aboutit, right, right.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And you can't tell somebody to not be who they be
or to not do what's lighting upfor them.
Just because it doesn't makesense to you or it doesn't light
up to you, it doesn't mean thatit isn't part of their journey.
You know no-transcript more,and I hear I do hear people talk
(07:58):
about well, but what about thekids?
Who adults who said okay, well,we'll just go ahead and change
your gender then while you're akid, because you feel like you
want to be a different gender,so we'll go ahead and change it
surgically or whatever, right,hormonally, and then the kids
get older and go shit.
(08:19):
I wish they wouldn't have donethat because I really I thought
I knew, but I didn't know, andnow I can't.
So it ends up being an issuewhere there may be others that
are so glad that that happened.
Right, and that's why I thinkthere's no one answer for this.
You have to look at eachindividual case.
It's good for us, as adults, tosay to kids well, what are you
really feeling Like?
What does this really feel liketo you?
(08:40):
And if there seems to be somewobble in it, then wait a while.
Let's not keep our mind aboutit.
Let's not go for things thatare so drastic.
So I don't think that we canmake one law, because laws never
fit everybody.
So we can't make one law thatsays, okay, we're going to draw
(09:00):
the line at like 13.
If you're 13, then maybe youcan go through some of these
changes or we'll accept evenwithout physical changes.
We'll accept this or we'llaccept that I think we just need
to love everybody from wherethey're at and take each
person's unique situation forwhat it is.
(09:20):
Right, that person's one unique, that soul's one unique journey
and make decisions around that.
You know, and that's why I Ilove that people are in a lot of
different ways, just being whothey be, and too bad if you
don't like it.
Right, because that's the onlyway we're really going to get to
(09:43):
an unconditional love is morethan we've ever been on this
planet is to have enough people.
Because in the past I mean,this isn't new, this is what's
so funny about it.
This is not new.
It's been here for probablyever and people were out about
(10:03):
it in the past.
Right, right, and then they wentin a closet about it for a long
time, right, and you had to bea certain way, and that is so
uncomfortable to have to try tobe somebody that you really
don't want to be or you have tohide what you really want, and
(10:26):
that that can even go as far as,like, I have to be an attorney
or whatever, but I really wantto be an artist.
So it's not just like thegender or sexuality thing, it's
all over the place, and this isjust another ingredient here
that's helping us understandunconditional love.
(10:48):
Yeah, and the fact that we areall calling everything into us.
We're calling the shots.
Every single person is callingtheir own shots, whether they
realize it or not, and the morewe understand that, the more we
realize.
At every age we are attracting.
We're attracting in the womb,we're attracting as infants, and
we're never doing that alone.
(11:09):
We have our inner being, whichis the rest of us that's not
physically focused right now,and we have all of those who
guide us and love us.
So we're never doing it alone.
But we do have free will here,so we can make this as difficult
or as easy as we will allow,and neither one is more right or
(11:31):
more wrong than the other one.
Right, you know a rough journeyhere is not a bad thing.
You know, there's a lot thatcomes out of that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I know, I agree with that for sure.
Oh, that's all really goodthoughts and and and you know,
advice on the matter.
I agree with it on the matter,I agree with it.
You know, again, I I have no,like I don't care what people do
, you know?
I know just, we had the furries.
(12:02):
The furry convention was in townthis past weekend and a lot of
people were like super annoyed.
They're like, oh my God, what'swrong with these people?
Blah, blah, blah, and like Ithought it was great, I mean, I
would never do it.
I don't understand it, but youknow, I'd be the first person to
be driving down the road andsee one of them and wave to them
because I think it's fun,they're having fun, they're
literally having fun.
(12:22):
So I don't care, it doesn'tbother me, you know.
And it's hard because and notthat I agree with all the rules
and stuff but, like you know, wehave all these rules of like
you can't drive till you're 16.
You can't, you know, get yourears pierced without your
parental consent.
You can't drink alcohol tillyou're 21.
And I think I was just reallystruggling in that moment of
(12:46):
these children, cause I know asa child myself that I think if I
might have been presented withthat option, that I would have
been like oh yeah, that's whyI'm not so feminine, I'm more
masculine.
You know what I mean, and Icould definitely see me like
reaching for that because, likeI was so depressed and I was so
(13:07):
sad and I didn't have anythingelse.
But it's hard for me because Ialso see the bigger picture of
what you just said, with spiritof like this is all fine, it'll
all work out the way it needs towork out, and sometimes I think
that it gets really difficult.
Do you know that sayingignorance is bliss, sure, um, do
(13:33):
you know that saying ignoranceis bliss Sometimes?
I think that that's truebecause sometimes I get so like
caught in between my humannessand then that spiritual part of
like okay, like you just need torelax.
This is all happening with apurpose, like everyone's own
individual purpose, uh, thecollective souls as a purpose.
And yeah, I just struggle withthat sometimes you know, but.
(13:56):
But I did feel like I got moreclarity on it.
I mean, I still I have to behonest, I still, as a human
being in a human body, I don'tfeel that children should be
able to make this decision.
I also, from that spiritualperspective, know that they'll
be okay.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Absolutely Every soul is okay.
Nothing here breaks a soul,ruins a soul, destroys a soul or
throws a soul off its course.
We just have to get real clearabout the fact that sometimes,
some other things and many otherthings that are going on on
this planet are none of ourbusiness.
And because there's so manydiverse journeys here and if
(14:38):
something catches our attention,like this one, like it just
made you think about it, right,well then then it's for you, for
right now.
This is something that is goodfor you to think about, right.
And like you said, what would ithave been like when you were
young if those thoughts wouldhave been more thinkable, if
they would have been more open?
Would it have helped youunderstand yourself better?
(15:00):
I'm sure it would have.
Is there a reason why it'scoming to you now instead of
back then?
Yeah, yes, yes, and when wewere younger, the issues that we
had, the questions that we had,the frustrations that we had
all were jumping off.
Points to what's happening now,right, and that's always the
case.
So we're all leading edge andwe're all a reason why things
(15:27):
become the way they become,right.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And so when I kind of put it out there to spirit, I
got a couple of things that you,that you touched on, I got.
It's not really like, it's notfor me.
So like I mean, it's not mybusiness, I guess you know, and
I have to find a way to when,when I'm, when people are trying
to suck me into something thatdoesn't feel comfortable to me
(15:52):
or that I'm not interested in,say no, that's just not for me,
I don't agree with it, whatever,like you do you, I don't know.
You know what I mean, because Iget really frustrated when I
always feel like so put uponwith other people's.
I feel like I'm okay withsaying to people fine, you do
you, but then other peoplearen't okay with me doing me.
People find you do you, butthen other people aren't okay
(16:12):
with me doing me.
So I feel like for me it wasjust more or less trying to find
a way to get to that point.
But I also felt like Spirit wassaying to me you know, look,
like you said, we've been herebefore.
We go through these cycles andwe don't know until we know, and
, like you said, there will bekids that regret it, that are
(16:36):
not happy with it, that feellike it didn't work out for them
, and then that will be theirjumping off point to do other
things in their life, whatever,maybe because of it, and there's
going to be people that it wasthe best thing that they could
have ever done, right?
(16:58):
So, yeah, I get that.
Yeah, it just it was just I washaving such a time with it
because it just kept coming upand I kept getting.
But, like you said, and Irealized what you're saying is
because I was looking at it asthis information is put out
there and for every lonely childand I think I was looking at it
as this information is put outthere and for every lonely child
, and I think I was reallythinking of myself as a child
too.
Every loan this is for likeevery lonely child is like oh, I
(17:18):
could be in this group, oh, Ican do this, I could do that.
And I'd also talked to a 16year old boy recently who who
said to me he'd been so annoyedwith school and with the kids at
school and he said a lot ofthese kids he's like they're not
trans, they're not this,they're not that, they're just
trying to fit in.
(17:39):
And that's where I think itjust set me off, because I
remembered my own personalexperiences of, like, where do I
fit in, where do I belong, whatgroup should I be in?
Like how should I behave?
And yeah, it's just, it's justhard.
Like I'm always trying to putmyself in check.
I knew, I knew what you weregonna say about it.
(18:01):
I, it's always like, I justneed to hear it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I mean I swear that.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That's.
That's why I like listening toyour podcast, like more than
once, like multiple times, welearn repetition I mean, and I
sometimes I think to myself likewhen will I ever get to that
point?
And I won't, because that'sjust life, right, that like I
don't need to keep hearing it,that I'll like have already
gotten it, but um anyways, youknow, and Source tells us, that
(18:32):
diversity, diversity is theplatform from which all
evolution springs forth.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
That's a Abraham.
Hicks quote Diversity is aplatform from which all
evolution springs forth.
So we wanted this diversity.
We still want it.
Some people think they don't,but that doesn't feel good
because that's not true at asoul level.
And when we think about youknow, I hear people say, well,
god made male and female andthat's the way it's supposed to
(19:03):
be, and you just have to suck itup and become the person that
we think you should be becauseof the decisions that we've made
around it, and that we thinkyou should be because of the
decisions that we've made aroundit, when, if we look into
nature, that source that Godmade some creatures male, who
can then change gender andbecome female, right, right or
female, and they change to male,some genderless as far as we
(19:26):
can tell, right, you know.
So there are many examples innature that should be reminding
us that there is not one way andthere are differences that are
unique, maybe to one group ofspecies or one group of people,
(19:47):
or whatever the case may be, butwe, you know we can't.
People or whatever the case maybe, but we, you know, we can't.
I don't see why we people thinkthat it is a good idea that
they make the judgment call onthis stuff.
Right, because I also hearpeople say God doesn't make any
junk, god doesn't make anymistakes.
Well then, what the hell are wetalking about then?
(20:10):
Right?
Right, because if you're sayingthat somebody who's trans or
gay or whatever is wrong or junkor a mistake, well then you
just contradicted yourself,right?
You know right.
And there's a lot of confusionthat comes out of this because,
like you said, you know, kidsmay be just experimenting, they
(20:33):
be maybe wondering, right, theymay just want to try some things
out.
We all did it when we weregrowing up.
We tried things out, somethings that we look back on and
go, oh right, some things thatyou look back and you think, oh,
I'm so glad I tried that or Iwent that right at first right
first people thought it was bad,but it wasn't, and you know.
But just to show you like wehave so many terms now like
(20:56):
lesbian, gay, bisexual,transgender and trans, queer and
questioning intersex, asexualor agender, meaning one more
agenda, agenda to spirit.
Um, did I?
I think I missed a couple.
Yeah, so you get it.
There's there are a lot of.
(21:17):
There are a lot of terms thatwe're using Intersex is another
one, um, I think I mentionedthat one.
But there are a lot of termsthat are coming up and people
are are creating these terms totry to express where they're at
with it or who they reallybelieve themselves to be Right.
And we have to remember too,we're not this person, we're a
(21:38):
soul who is in this role rightnow, sort of taking this part on
, and these are just part of theparameters of it.
So, yeah, let's, let's, let'scome up with all kinds of words
and and describe how this personfeels or how that person is, or
whatever.
So what, if we just give up thejudgment, then for the most
(22:02):
part, we won't have a problemwith all of this stuff.
If somebody doesn't like all ofthose words, fine, you don't
have to like them, they're notyour words.
Then Right.
Those words are for somebodyelse because it fits them.
It helps them relate to whothey are right now, and I mean
right now.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
So I have a question about that.
So I think, like I've expressedthis to you so many times, my
issue is never what other peoplethink or feel, because I mean,
I, of all people, have lived alife that is very different from
everybody else around me, right?
You know, living as far asreligion goes and schooling and
(22:45):
all that stuff.
I mean, I always did theopposite of what everyone else
around me was doing.
So I don't care about stufflike that.
But what I always was up againstand again, maybe this is just
my own attraction, I don't knowto this but is when people are
demanding that you refer to themin a certain way, like the they
(23:10):
, them thing, or like that'sconfusing and it's.
It's like, oh my gosh, like Ihave to stop and think about
this now, because this isn'tnormally, normally talk, and I
just I don't understand, likewhy stop trying to force me to
like, be what you want me to be?
I love you for who you are.
(23:32):
I'm having a conversation withyou, I think you're lovely, but
why are you trying so hard tomake me be on your side?
Because I don't care if you'renot on my side.
That's cool, and I think that'swhere.
That's just another area that Ireally struggle with.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Area that I really struggle with.
Well, because you knoweverybody wants to be loved and
to be accepted and to beunderstood and that's not always
going to be the case.
But I agree, you know, if, like, I don't like to be called a
psychic, Right, I just don'tlike the word because it's
become so many different.
I don't like the word God.
I mean not that I don't, it'swonderful but I don't like using
(24:13):
it because of all of thedifferent interpretations of
that word.
Right?
So if somebody uses the wordGod or psychic, it doesn't make
me upset.
Right, they can use whateverwords they want.
I have preferences, thoughRight, words they want.
(24:34):
I have preferences, thoughRight.
So I won't force anybody to usethose words, because, because
I'm not trying to convinceanybody, right?
You know, if I'm some sort ofsexual, whatever way, and I
really want people to acceptthat and to get me, want people
to accept that and to get me,then I'm, I'm sort of upside
down in it, aren't I?
Yeah, because if we have it hasto start it's always an inside
(25:02):
job.
It has to start with us first.
We have to find our acceptance.
We have to find our our justour footing with it.
And once we just become okaywith whatever sexual preference
we have or whatever body type,however we want to dress, once
we're okay with that, it's notsuch an issue out there, it
really isn't.
If I went around really beingparanoid, that people are going
(25:24):
to call me psychic, then I wouldbe having a lot of problems
with that.
I would be stirring that upwithout even trying to, just
because I have that strongopinion about it.
Right, I know who I am and Iknow what I believe and I know
how I would, how I describemyself Right.
And I think it's fair foranybody to say I'm not male,
(25:46):
female, I'm not hetero, homo,sexual, trans.
I just am who I am.
Right.
Sometimes I dress like this,sometimes I dress like that,
sometimes I feel more feminine,sometimes I feel more masculine.
You know, we get so people getso caught up in trying to figure
life out that they forget tofigure themselves out Right, and
(26:07):
there's no real figuring evenin that, it's more a just
allowing.
If we can just allow ourselvesto be who we be, then if I
prefer to be called her andsomebody calls me him, I won't
care, I won't care, right, andthen when we the closer we get
(26:31):
to that across the board, themore people are just going to be
fine with calling you him Ifyou want to be called him, or
her if you want to be called,it's just going to happen.
And it's going to be morenatural because, right, nobody
likes to be forced to dosomething, whether, no matter
which side of the table you'reon.
Right, if I'm transgender, Idon't want you to force me to
(26:52):
not be, but if I'm preferringdifferent pronouns, I don't want
you to force me into usingparticular pronouns.
Now, once you don't feel forcedto use certain pronouns, you
don't have a problem with usingthose pronouns for the most part
.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I agree with that 100%.
You really hit the know on thehead with that, because I am
definitely an accommodating typeof person and I don't know
where my anger comes from.
But now I realize that it'sthat force, because otherwise
I'll use the word disconnectionbut there's no real such thing,
(27:34):
it's just a further awayconnection from source.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, because it just shows us that we're getting too
super focused outside ofourselves and we're getting too
wrapped up in the quagmire ofwhat other people have going on.
Yeah, and we are thereforefurther away from our connection
to who we really are, to oursource.
So that's just good information.
When something makes us angryor frustrated or or pissed off
(28:01):
or whatever, we just have to sayto ourselves it's okay, I'm
allowed to be angry or I'mallowed to be frustrated right
now, but I don't want to staythere, because this is just
information that says to me oh,I have just gone so far away
from my connection that I'mstarting to see things
differently here than I reallysee from the inside of me, and
(28:23):
so that's going to happen.
So when it happens, we justwant to reel ourselves back in,
bring it back home.
Ask yourself, like, what does myinner being say about this?
What really feels good to meabout this?
Because I don't think it trulyfeels good to anybody to hate
somebody else, to want somebodyelse to change it.
(28:43):
No, you can't.
People can't change enough tomake an angry person happy or to
feel better.
If you look out there in theworld and you say, all right,
forget Source.
I don't even know if Sourceknows what it's talking about.
I'm just going to let you allknow I need you to be like this
and I need you to be like thatand I need you to stop that, and
(29:04):
I need you to start this and Ineed you to go over there and I
need you to play with thosepeople and I want you to be like
that and I need you to stopthat and I need you to start
this and I need you to go overthere and I need you to play
with those people and I want youto talk like this and I want
you to wear these clothes.
Do you see how insane that is?
Oh yeah, I know, right, I agree, because everybody would have a
different opinion about that.
Some may be similar, but wewould have so many about things
that they think should be acertain way Right.
(29:28):
And if you don't behave likethat, well then we've got to do
something with you.
Yeah, it's kind of like in ourprisons.
We have the majority of peoplein prison, have mental health
issues and or drug addiction orsome kind of addiction, right,
and so it's become a good idea,we think, to lock them up, put
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them all together and lock themup and see how that goes, right.
But there are places aroundthis country and elsewhere where
, instead of that, they willtake nonviolent I'll use
criminals.
Because what?
other but nobody really.
Nobody really is.
And they take these individualsand they put them on farms and
(30:11):
they say, okay, no cell phonesfor now.
You're going to pitch in, youdon't have to do this, you can
stay in jail or we're going togive you the option you can go
and work on the farm.
Right, and I saw this wasactually a Kennedy interview
that he did with a bunch ofpeople that are in this scenario
, because this is his solution.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, I think I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Which is a very good solution.
And he just sat down and hetalked with them and he said so
how is this working?
Like what do you think?
And every single one of themsaid I'm a new person.
I am such a new person Becausenow I like, I have time to think
with my own mind.
I have time, I'm recognizingthat I can accomplish things.
They're not just teaching themhow to farm, they're teaching
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them how to build and haveskills, and they feel worthy,
they feel valued, they feelloved, they cook for each other,
they build things for eachother.
They, you know like they allwork together and it's changing
them from the inside out.
And that's true love, that'strue compassion, that's why
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that's why that feels good.
Does it work for every singleperson?
Probably not, but that's okay,that's their journey.
They may do better in a jailcell, right.
But you know, I think we shouldat least have the compassion to
look at somebody who is maybeconfused or angry or violent or
(31:38):
different than us, and be ableto say it's okay that you're
different than me, right.
Like I don't know why you'rechoosing the things that you're
choosing.
Like you want to dress likethat.
I don't know why you'rechoosing it, but okay, if it
works for you, you seem to behappy.
So when we don't do that,that's when we start to get
(32:00):
really confused people, reallyfrustrated and angry on the
inside people, because they getfurther and further and further
and further away from theirconnection to source.
And the further away we get,the more miserable we become and
then our life becomes.
So why would we want to try totrap people in that and say,
(32:22):
just because you don't dress theway I want you to dress?
And say just because you don'tdress the way I want you to
dress, you're bad, you're wrong,you need to be dealt with.
Right.
That, just.
It makes absolutely no sense tome.
What is?
Do we really think that?
That's what Source would?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
have to say Right, no , I agree.
I agree with all that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Definitely I mean you know all that.
Definitely I mean you know.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
And two, you know, kimberly, with the children.
Another thing to remember isSource is paying attention to
them as well and guiding them.
Like I said, on the inside,they're mature, intelligent
souls, right?
So this is a co-creative thingthat we have going on here at
every age and with everydifferent type of person on this
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planet, and the more we beginto trust the synchronistic
blending of what's going on, theless we will try to put our
claws in it and make it what wethink it should be Right.
And we're doing that.
We're doing better at that.
We're getting better and better.
So we do have a lot of thingsout in the air right now that
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haven't been out there before,and so they're going to be out
there loud and proud for a while, because that's what we've
always done in history.
When women were finally allowedto like vote or be, they got
loud and proud for a while,right?
And then everybody relaxedabout it.
There was a lot of back andforth, agreement, disagreement.
You know, we're just people arefickle.
(33:51):
Yeah, in a sense, or at leastcan be.
And the more that we get closerto our true self, which is a
loving, compassionate self andnonjudgmental because you can't
be loving and compassionate andjudgmental at the same time,
right the more we get in touchwith that, and that's why I love
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that we're teaching likemindfulness to children.
Meditation, just bringing yourattention to your body and to
where your soul is and just bethere, just just for a few
moments, just be in that space.
It makes all the difference forthese kids.
Just that little bit of stuff,right?
(34:36):
And then, and then that's goingto serve them for the rest of
their lives and it's going toserve all of us, because the
more we have children findingtheir peace at a younger age,
the better.
This whole thing is going toget Right.
You know, I've probably saidbefore on the podcast.
I hear people on Facebooksaying oh well, when we were
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kids, we had to stay out until 8o'clock and we got beat if we
did this and we had to drinkfrom the hose.
Right, we rode in the back ofpickup trucks and you know so
and we're.
We all grew up.
We got yelled at, we gotsmacked, we got abused, but we
all turned out fine.
And you know, it just makes melaugh because I think, no, you
didn't Stop and think for aminute.
(35:19):
No, you did not.
You're all.
You're mean to each other,you're abusive to your children.
Maybe I don't know we aregetting better, but I think it's
.
It's important for us to saythe past is the past.
You know there were there.
I know it's still happening,but there were times where it
was much more common forsomebody who was sexually
different to get beat up or evenkilled because of it.
(35:42):
Right, right, right or to getlocked up or whatever the case
may be, and more learning thatthat does not work.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, no, I, I definitely I agree with that and
I it kind of when I kind of putthat out to spirit to like calm
me down because I was so riledup about it um, the information
that I feel that I got was that,as you said, like we've been in
this place in history before,right, this is all like a cycle.
We go through it and each timewe gain more knowledge than the
(36:15):
time before.
And, yeah, it kind of broughtme to the past, I don't know.
I guess it was like in the1940s, 1950s, when they were
doing lobotomies on people.
And I did a lot of research onthat and I remember my daughter
and I went to a museum at anasylum it's an old asylum, it's
(36:39):
now like a tourist attractionand there was a whole area where
they were showing like wherethey did lobotomies and about
the lobotomies.
There was a whole area wherethey were showing like where
they did lobotomies and aboutthe lobotomies and everyone was
standing there like, oh my god,like you know, you can't believe
we did this and I didn'trealize until I researched it
that the majority of the menthat were given lobotomies was
(36:59):
because they were gay and theyreally believed that that would
be the thing that would fix them.
And it didn't.
Obviously it didn't.
And not only did it not fixthem, it caused them permanent
damage and very few people hadsuccess with lobotomies for
(37:22):
whatever reason they were giventhem.
But it kind of brought myawareness to that of saying,
look, you know we've done downthis path of this is what's
going to fix something.
And then you know we've learnedfrom it and this is kind of
where things are at right nowand, like you said, it's it's,
it's a cycle.
I mean, eventually this willkind of and eventually this will
(37:50):
kind of.
I guess for me it was theknowledge of knowing that I was
so riled up about it because Iwas thinking these kids are just
depressed, like they just needsomething and they're not
getting it and so they'rechoosing something that they're
later than regretting.
Like I'd watch video aftervideo after video and what I saw
was that older people who hadgender reassignment seemed like
it was really successful forthem, they were happy with their
(38:11):
choice, and there was a lot ofvideos of kids that were in
their 20s going.
This just wasn't what I neededand I guess I was like okay, you
know what, this is theirjourney, it's not my journey,
it's their journey.
Right, is their journey.
It's not my journey, it's theirjourney.
It will be for them what it'sgoing to be and there'll be so
(38:32):
many great things to be learnedfor everybody from all of this.
And it's not a bad thing thatpeople are having more
acceptance and kindness aroundthe issue.
Having more acceptance andkindness around the issue.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So, yeah, well, I think it's important to remember
when you get riled up aboutsomething anything it's good to
think to yourself there'ssomething really good here.
Right, there's a reason why I'mriled up.
I don't want to stay here, butI am looking for the honey.
Yeah, there has to be a reason.
There's something in this forme.
There's some new insight, somenew data, whatever it might be,
(39:18):
but there is something here forme, or wouldn't be here, so I'm
really curious now.
But now you're not so riled up,now you're curious, now you can
see honey and you get to see thepoint why all of this stuff is
here, why all of this happens,why we go through it all.
It's easy to look out there andreally question why in the
world does that need to be partof what we're doing here?
Right, you know, with peoplebeing so judgmental or with you
(39:41):
know whatever, but again youknow it comes back to it's just
none of our business.
Then, if it's somebody else'sstuff, if it's not hurting you,
if it's not trying to controlyou or whatever, and and frankly
you know, if we feel controlledor whatever, that's on us.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Right, because that's not really possible.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
We have to get that permission Right?
No, I agree with you.
If we truly trust that thatnothing controls us, then
nothing can.
But sometimes it's a hard thatthat's a far reach for some
people.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh no, I agree.
I mean.
That's why I said I feel like Ihave this awareness, yet I
still really struggle with that.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
So yeah, I, I'm always trying, yeah and tell
yourself I don't struggle withit, because then you always
struggle with it.
Okay, Just say to yourselfsometimes I just learn more
about it.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Right, that's a good one.
I'm going to write that down.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, if you think sometimes I know I don't have
all the data, because that'swhat the struggle feels like
it's just the fact that there'smore data and you don't
necessarily have access to itright now, right, usually
because we're pinching it off.
So anytime we tell ourselves westruggle with anything, we're
going to keep struggling with it.
But if we can relax in that andsay there are times where it
(41:02):
just kind of gets to me becausethere's some kind of honey that
I'm not seeing or there'ssomething that I'm not
understanding about it, so I'llknow when I know I'm always
gathering more information andmore understanding and more
clarity.
We should never think that wehave to get to a place where we
have all the clarity and thenwe're good.
That's not going to happenwhile you're in your human body,
(41:23):
because everything's eternal.
There's always going to be more.
But I think you know if we canlook at anything, especially
like with the kids, and we think, okay, but where's the honey in
that?
Right, because there therealways is.
But when we're frustrated, wewon't see it.
That the frustration is justfeedback from source that says
(41:46):
well, in that thought thatyou're in right now, you're not
going to see it, so find yourease, and then you'll see it.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, that's good, that's good advice, it's good
stuff.
I agree, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And you know, while it's on my mind the whole honey
thing, I noticed that there's alistener from Waterford, ireland
, and I love Ireland, I haveIrish in me.
I think Ireland's just amazing.
I've never been there, but Ithought let me just look this up
.
Yeah, waterford Ireland.
And so, as I Googled it, theyhad some images, some pictures.
(42:19):
The second image was a placecalled the Viking Triangle and
on the front of the buildingthere was a whole painting there
and the main thing in thepainting was a large bumblebee.
Oh nice, I thought, wow, isn'tthat interesting.
So whoever you are at Waterford, I'd love to know who you are,
and I just thought that was socold.
There's another bee sign, justbecause I was curious and I
(42:43):
thought I don't know, let me seewhat Waterford looks like.
And there's a bee.
Second image in.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
That's nice.
I've actually been to Waterforda couple of times.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It's kind of nice, I like it.
You should go yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I have a friend there .
Yeah, there you go, right.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
So thank you.
Whoever's listening there inWaterford, I really appreciate
you and this this is a nice talk.
(43:22):
I think you know, when we canunderstand that this world is
full of different, different,different, different, then we'll
stop trying to make it samesame same.
Okay that people disagree.
It's okay that people havecompletely different outlooks
than other people.
It has to be that way, so it'simportant that we stop trying to
not make it be that way.
That was the intention.
This is the planet you came toto have experiences on and with,
so the more ease we find in it,the more honey we'll see and
(43:48):
the better this life will be forall of us.
But we cannot speak to anybodyelse's journey.
We can only look through ourown unique perspective, Right.
And hold our own counsel aswe're doing that, and then we'll
have a much better ride here.
That's good stuff.
So there we are Peace to allthe genders and sexual
(44:14):
preferences, and people inprison, out of prison.
People that disagree with me,people that agree with me, it's
all good.
It's all here for a reason, allright.
So I think that's all we haveto say about that.
Yeah, thank you, kimberly, forjoining me again.
You're welcome.
It's always a reason All right.
So I think that's all we haveto say about that.
Yeah, thank you, kimberly, forjoining me again.
You're welcome.
It's always a pleasure.
You're always so much fun totalk with.
(44:34):
Thanks for having me.
And to all of you out there,you can find me at
mysticaltruthscom.
Thank you.
Welcome to the Mystical Truths Podcast.
This is Rebecca, and I'm reallyglad you're here.
Let's unlock your world.
Today I have Kimberly back withme.
She has some thoughts about thetransgender topic, and so
welcome back, Kimberly.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hi Rebecca, thanks for having me Absolutely what's
on your mind.
So I had a question come up.
It's been on my mind a lotlately and that was one of the
reasons I contacted you, becauseI wanted to kind of get your
take on where Spirit was at withit and I put the information
out there to spirit and I feellike they have given me an
(00:49):
answer or given me information.
That's kind of brought me somepeace with the whole subject.
But I wanted to, you know,bring it to you and hear your
thoughts on it.
My main, if you could say thisissue with it isn't people
choosing to be transgender.
I think what adults decide todo, they decide to do.
(01:09):
But my issue with it has beenthe children and I'm really
struggling with that because Ifeel like a lot of agenda is
being pushed and I personallyI'm human, so I have opinions
(01:29):
and I'm entitled to them.
I don't care what adults aredoing in their life.
I think that's whatever,whatever, but I have been really
off put about what's been beingdone to children.
So I kind of wanted to talkwith you about your thoughts on
that, cause I definitely have alot of opinions on that myself
as far as what I think is goingon with the children and um,
(01:53):
like I said, I did kind of putthat out to spirit to kind of
give me an answer, to guide metoward where this is going to
lead.
And um, and I'm always askingWWRS, what would Rebecca say?
Oh, I've been asking that for20 years, rebecca.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
But, um, and so I was asking you know where's the
honey in this?
And so I feel like I've gottensome personal validation from
them for where the honey is init for me regarding the topic
and how I should perhaps handleit when I'm confronted with it.
But yeah, I just kind of wantedto see what you thought
(02:40):
Spirit's thoughts were Okay andyeah, because, like I said, now
I'm now more at peace with itfor the information that I feel
that I got from them.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So, yeah, I just wanted to good hear your
thoughts well, first, I thinkit's important for us all to
remember that, no matter whatphysical age we are here, we're
all eternal souls, so it is.
It's easy for us as adults tolook at kids and go and I'll
(03:08):
wait a minute, they're kids andthey haven't been here long
enough to know how to navigate.
But that's not necessarily true.
We know before we come in whatthe parameters are, what our
potentials are.
We did a lot of picking andchoosing, for good reason,
(03:29):
before we came in and we allhave that interconnection and it
is easy to get talked out of itor to get conditioned to
different fears and beliefs andall kinds of different ideas
that people have decided, madeup and decided thoughts that
people have, conclusions thatpeople have come to.
(03:50):
And so if we remember thatevery child is an intelligent,
mature soul and is attractingand choosing from within, is
attracting and choosing fromwithin, we will help those
(04:10):
children to really listen towhat their inner being is saying
and what their own sense is,rather than twist it around with
what everybody else has decidedRight.
And I really love that thereare more people who are even
maybe confused about theirgender or their sexuality and
(04:31):
speaking out loud about itBecause I think it's real.
I know it's really importantfor us to have variety here and
we tend to want to decide thatGod or source has this thought
about things and these rules andwe should all follow them when
(04:57):
that's not true.
This is the world of variety andcontrast, and so when we want
to try to label things and say,okay, this is the right way,
this is the wrong way, it's, itdoesn't work out well for us
because that's not true, that'snot accurate, right.
So we have souls, many souls,that are coming in, not just
(05:18):
with gender issues or questionsor whatever, or differences, but
with other conditions, orthat's not a condition, but with
conditions, we'll say, that arecausing them to not conform.
They can't or will not conform,you know, and it's not that
somebody chooses from theirphysical aspect to be, say, adhd
(05:39):
or transgender, or gay orheterosexual.
This is something that just isLike.
It's not like kids just wake upone day and go.
You know what?
I think I'm just good, now,that could be.
You know, we experiment,especially when we're younger.
(06:02):
Yeah, right so it is likely thatkids say, well, I do want to
try this out.
Well, that's fine.
But still at our core there's abeingness of what our
preferences are.
And if our preferences are forsame sex, so be it.
If they're for opposite sex orboth, or I have a female body
(06:23):
but I feel male.
Whatever, I think that that isa soul expressing in this
lifetime and it does give peoplethe opportunity to either
accept variety or not.
And when we don't acceptvariety, it feels really
(06:44):
uncomfortable because that'sgoing in a different direction
than who we are as a soul, right.
And when we just let people be,they relax more about it.
You know, when you tell peoplenot to be a certain way, they
really want to be that way.
Now.
It's just like when kids areyoung teenagers and you say,
well, don't do that.
We, we forbid you to do that.
(07:05):
They can't stop thinking aboutit, right, right.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And you can't tell somebody to not be who they be
or to not do what's lighting upfor them.
Just because it doesn't makesense to you or it doesn't light
up to you, it doesn't mean thatit isn't part of their journey.
You know no-transcript more,and I hear I do hear people talk
(07:58):
about well, but what about thekids?
Who adults who said okay, well,we'll just go ahead and change
your gender then while you're akid, because you feel like you
want to be a different gender,so we'll go ahead and change it
surgically or whatever, right,hormonally, and then the kids
get older and go shit.
(08:19):
I wish they wouldn't have donethat because I really I thought
I knew, but I didn't know, andnow I can't.
So it ends up being an issuewhere there may be others that
are so glad that that happened.
Right, and that's why I thinkthere's no one answer for this.
You have to look at eachindividual case.
It's good for us, as adults, tosay to kids well, what are you
really feeling Like?
What does this really feel liketo you?
(08:40):
And if there seems to be somewobble in it, then wait a while.
Let's not keep our mind aboutit.
Let's not go for things thatare so drastic.
So I don't think that we canmake one law, because laws never
fit everybody.
So we can't make one law thatsays, okay, we're going to draw
(09:00):
the line at like 13.
If you're 13, then maybe youcan go through some of these
changes or we'll accept evenwithout physical changes.
We'll accept this or we'llaccept that I think we just need
to love everybody from wherethey're at and take each
person's unique situation forwhat it is.
(09:20):
Right, that person's one unique, that soul's one unique journey
and make decisions around that.
You know, and that's why I Ilove that people are in a lot of
different ways, just being whothey be, and too bad if you
don't like it.
Right, because that's the onlyway we're really going to get to
(09:43):
an unconditional love is morethan we've ever been on this
planet is to have enough people.
Because in the past I mean,this isn't new, this is what's
so funny about it.
This is not new.
It's been here for probablyever and people were out about
(10:03):
it in the past.
Right, right, and then they wentin a closet about it for a long
time, right, and you had to bea certain way, and that is so
uncomfortable to have to try tobe somebody that you really
don't want to be or you have tohide what you really want, and
(10:26):
that that can even go as far as,like, I have to be an attorney
or whatever, but I really wantto be an artist.
So it's not just like thegender or sexuality thing, it's
all over the place, and this isjust another ingredient here
that's helping us understandunconditional love.
(10:48):
Yeah, and the fact that we areall calling everything into us.
We're calling the shots.
Every single person is callingtheir own shots, whether they
realize it or not, and the morewe understand that, the more we
realize.
At every age we are attracting.
We're attracting in the womb,we're attracting as infants, and
we're never doing that alone.
(11:09):
We have our inner being, whichis the rest of us that's not
physically focused right now,and we have all of those who
guide us and love us.
So we're never doing it alone.
But we do have free will here,so we can make this as difficult
or as easy as we will allow,and neither one is more right or
(11:31):
more wrong than the other one.
Right, you know a rough journeyhere is not a bad thing.
You know, there's a lot thatcomes out of that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I know, I agree with that for sure.
Oh, that's all really goodthoughts and and and you know,
advice on the matter.
I agree with it on the matter,I agree with it.
You know, again, I I have no,like I don't care what people do
, you know?
I know just, we had the furries.
(12:02):
The furry convention was in townthis past weekend and a lot of
people were like super annoyed.
They're like, oh my God, what'swrong with these people?
Blah, blah, blah, and like Ithought it was great, I mean, I
would never do it.
I don't understand it, but youknow, I'd be the first person to
be driving down the road andsee one of them and wave to them
because I think it's fun,they're having fun, they're
literally having fun.
(12:22):
So I don't care, it doesn'tbother me, you know.
And it's hard because and notthat I agree with all the rules
and stuff but, like you know, wehave all these rules of like
you can't drive till you're 16.
You can't, you know, get yourears pierced without your
parental consent.
You can't drink alcohol tillyou're 21.
And I think I was just reallystruggling in that moment of
(12:46):
these children, cause I know asa child myself that I think if I
might have been presented withthat option, that I would have
been like oh yeah, that's whyI'm not so feminine, I'm more
masculine.
You know what I mean, and Icould definitely see me like
reaching for that because, likeI was so depressed and I was so
(13:07):
sad and I didn't have anythingelse.
But it's hard for me because Ialso see the bigger picture of
what you just said, with spiritof like this is all fine, it'll
all work out the way it needs towork out, and sometimes I think
that it gets really difficult.
Do you know that sayingignorance is bliss, sure, um, do
(13:33):
you know that saying ignoranceis bliss Sometimes?
I think that that's truebecause sometimes I get so like
caught in between my humannessand then that spiritual part of
like okay, like you just need torelax.
This is all happening with apurpose, like everyone's own
individual purpose, uh, thecollective souls as a purpose.
And yeah, I just struggle withthat sometimes you know, but.
(13:56):
But I did feel like I got moreclarity on it.
I mean, I still I have to behonest, I still, as a human
being in a human body, I don'tfeel that children should be
able to make this decision.
I also, from that spiritualperspective, know that they'll
be okay.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Absolutely Every soul is okay.
Nothing here breaks a soul,ruins a soul, destroys a soul or
throws a soul off its course.
We just have to get real clearabout the fact that sometimes,
some other things and many otherthings that are going on on
this planet are none of ourbusiness.
And because there's so manydiverse journeys here and if
(14:38):
something catches our attention,like this one, like it just
made you think about it, right,well then then it's for you, for
right now.
This is something that is goodfor you to think about, right.
And like you said, what would ithave been like when you were
young if those thoughts wouldhave been more thinkable, if
they would have been more open?
Would it have helped youunderstand yourself better?
(15:00):
I'm sure it would have.
Is there a reason why it'scoming to you now instead of
back then?
Yeah, yes, yes, and when wewere younger, the issues that we
had, the questions that we had,the frustrations that we had
all were jumping off.
Points to what's happening now,right, and that's always the
case.
So we're all leading edge andwe're all a reason why things
(15:27):
become the way they become,right.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And so when I kind of put it out there to spirit, I
got a couple of things that you,that you touched on, I got.
It's not really like, it's notfor me.
So like I mean, it's not mybusiness, I guess you know, and
I have to find a way to when,when I'm, when people are trying
to suck me into something thatdoesn't feel comfortable to me
(15:52):
or that I'm not interested in,say no, that's just not for me,
I don't agree with it, whatever,like you do you, I don't know.
You know what I mean, because Iget really frustrated when I
always feel like so put uponwith other people's.
I feel like I'm okay withsaying to people fine, you do
you, but then other peoplearen't okay with me doing me.
People find you do you, butthen other people aren't okay
(16:12):
with me doing me.
So I feel like for me it wasjust more or less trying to find
a way to get to that point.
But I also felt like Spirit wassaying to me you know, look,
like you said, we've been herebefore.
We go through these cycles andwe don't know until we know, and
, like you said, there will bekids that regret it, that are
(16:36):
not happy with it, that feellike it didn't work out for them
, and then that will be theirjumping off point to do other
things in their life, whatever,maybe because of it, and there's
going to be people that it wasthe best thing that they could
have ever done, right?
(16:58):
So, yeah, I get that.
Yeah, it just it was just I washaving such a time with it
because it just kept coming upand I kept getting.
But, like you said, and Irealized what you're saying is
because I was looking at it asthis information is put out
there and for every lonely childand I think I was looking at it
as this information is put outthere and for every lonely child
, and I think I was reallythinking of myself as a child
too.
Every loan this is for likeevery lonely child is like oh, I
(17:18):
could be in this group, oh, Ican do this, I could do that.
And I'd also talked to a 16year old boy recently who who
said to me he'd been so annoyedwith school and with the kids at
school and he said a lot ofthese kids he's like they're not
trans, they're not this,they're not that, they're just
trying to fit in.
(17:39):
And that's where I think itjust set me off, because I
remembered my own personalexperiences of, like, where do I
fit in, where do I belong, whatgroup should I be in?
Like how should I behave?
And yeah, it's just, it's justhard.
Like I'm always trying to putmyself in check.
I knew, I knew what you weregonna say about it.
(18:01):
I, it's always like, I justneed to hear it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I mean I swear that.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That's.
That's why I like listening toyour podcast, like more than
once, like multiple times, welearn repetition I mean, and I
sometimes I think to myself likewhen will I ever get to that
point?
And I won't, because that'sjust life, right, that like I
don't need to keep hearing it,that I'll like have already
gotten it, but um anyways, youknow, and Source tells us, that
(18:32):
diversity, diversity is theplatform from which all
evolution springs forth.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
That's a Abraham.
Hicks quote Diversity is aplatform from which all
evolution springs forth.
So we wanted this diversity.
We still want it.
Some people think they don't,but that doesn't feel good
because that's not true at asoul level.
And when we think about youknow, I hear people say, well,
god made male and female andthat's the way it's supposed to
(19:03):
be, and you just have to suck itup and become the person that
we think you should be becauseof the decisions that we've made
around it, and that we thinkyou should be because of the
decisions that we've made aroundit, when, if we look into
nature, that source that Godmade some creatures male, who
can then change gender andbecome female, right, right or
female, and they change to male,some genderless as far as we
(19:26):
can tell, right, you know.
So there are many examples innature that should be reminding
us that there is not one way andthere are differences that are
unique, maybe to one group ofspecies or one group of people,
(19:47):
or whatever the case may be, butwe, you know we can't.
People or whatever the case maybe, but we, you know, we can't.
I don't see why we people thinkthat it is a good idea that
they make the judgment call onthis stuff.
Right, because I also hearpeople say God doesn't make any
junk, god doesn't make anymistakes.
Well then, what the hell are wetalking about then?
(20:10):
Right?
Right, because if you're sayingthat somebody who's trans or
gay or whatever is wrong or junkor a mistake, well then you
just contradicted yourself,right?
You know right.
And there's a lot of confusionthat comes out of this because,
like you said, you know, kidsmay be just experimenting, they
(20:33):
be maybe wondering, right, theymay just want to try some things
out.
We all did it when we weregrowing up.
We tried things out, somethings that we look back on and
go, oh right, some things thatyou look back and you think, oh,
I'm so glad I tried that or Iwent that right at first right
first people thought it was bad,but it wasn't, and you know.
But just to show you like wehave so many terms now like
(20:56):
lesbian, gay, bisexual,transgender and trans, queer and
questioning intersex, asexualor agender, meaning one more
agenda, agenda to spirit.
Um, did I?
I think I missed a couple.
Yeah, so you get it.
There's there are a lot of.
(21:17):
There are a lot of terms thatwe're using Intersex is another
one, um, I think I mentionedthat one.
But there are a lot of termsthat are coming up and people
are are creating these terms totry to express where they're at
with it or who they reallybelieve themselves to be Right.
And we have to remember too,we're not this person, we're a
(21:38):
soul who is in this role rightnow, sort of taking this part on
, and these are just part of theparameters of it.
So, yeah, let's, let's, let'scome up with all kinds of words
and and describe how this personfeels or how that person is, or
whatever.
So what, if we just give up thejudgment, then for the most
(22:02):
part, we won't have a problemwith all of this stuff.
If somebody doesn't like all ofthose words, fine, you don't
have to like them, they're notyour words.
Then Right.
Those words are for somebodyelse because it fits them.
It helps them relate to whothey are right now, and I mean
right now.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
So I have a question about that.
So I think, like I've expressedthis to you so many times, my
issue is never what other peoplethink or feel, because I mean,
I, of all people, have lived alife that is very different from
everybody else around me, right?
You know, living as far asreligion goes and schooling and
(22:45):
all that stuff.
I mean, I always did theopposite of what everyone else
around me was doing.
So I don't care about stufflike that.
But what I always was up againstand again, maybe this is just
my own attraction, I don't knowto this but is when people are
demanding that you refer to themin a certain way, like the they
(23:10):
, them thing, or like that'sconfusing and it's.
It's like, oh my gosh, like Ihave to stop and think about
this now, because this isn'tnormally, normally talk, and I
just I don't understand, likewhy stop trying to force me to
like, be what you want me to be?
I love you for who you are.
(23:32):
I'm having a conversation withyou, I think you're lovely, but
why are you trying so hard tomake me be on your side?
Because I don't care if you'renot on my side.
That's cool, and I think that'swhere.
That's just another area that Ireally struggle with.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Area that I really struggle with.
Well, because you knoweverybody wants to be loved and
to be accepted and to beunderstood and that's not always
going to be the case.
But I agree, you know, if, like, I don't like to be called a
psychic, Right, I just don'tlike the word because it's
become so many different.
I don't like the word God.
I mean not that I don't, it'swonderful but I don't like using
(24:13):
it because of all of thedifferent interpretations of
that word.
Right?
So if somebody uses the wordGod or psychic, it doesn't make
me upset.
Right, they can use whateverwords they want.
I have preferences, thoughRight, words they want.
(24:34):
I have preferences, thoughRight.
So I won't force anybody to usethose words, because, because
I'm not trying to convinceanybody, right?
You know, if I'm some sort ofsexual, whatever way, and I
really want people to acceptthat and to get me, want people
to accept that and to get me,then I'm, I'm sort of upside
down in it, aren't I?
Yeah, because if we have it hasto start it's always an inside
(25:02):
job.
It has to start with us first.
We have to find our acceptance.
We have to find our our justour footing with it.
And once we just become okaywith whatever sexual preference
we have or whatever body type,however we want to dress, once
we're okay with that, it's notsuch an issue out there, it
really isn't.
If I went around really beingparanoid, that people are going
(25:24):
to call me psychic, then I wouldbe having a lot of problems
with that.
I would be stirring that upwithout even trying to, just
because I have that strongopinion about it.
Right, I know who I am and Iknow what I believe and I know
how I would, how I describemyself Right.
And I think it's fair foranybody to say I'm not male,
(25:46):
female, I'm not hetero, homo,sexual, trans.
I just am who I am.
Right.
Sometimes I dress like this,sometimes I dress like that,
sometimes I feel more feminine,sometimes I feel more masculine.
You know, we get so people getso caught up in trying to figure
life out that they forget tofigure themselves out Right, and
(26:07):
there's no real figuring evenin that, it's more a just
allowing.
If we can just allow ourselvesto be who we be, then if I
prefer to be called her andsomebody calls me him, I won't
care, I won't care, right, andthen when we the closer we get
(26:31):
to that across the board, themore people are just going to be
fine with calling you him Ifyou want to be called him, or
her if you want to be called,it's just going to happen.
And it's going to be morenatural because, right, nobody
likes to be forced to dosomething, whether, no matter
which side of the table you'reon.
Right, if I'm transgender, Idon't want you to force me to
(26:52):
not be, but if I'm preferringdifferent pronouns, I don't want
you to force me into usingparticular pronouns.
Now, once you don't feel forcedto use certain pronouns, you
don't have a problem with usingthose pronouns for the most part
.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I agree with that 100%.
You really hit the know on thehead with that, because I am
definitely an accommodating typeof person and I don't know
where my anger comes from.
But now I realize that it'sthat force, because otherwise
I'll use the word disconnectionbut there's no real such thing,
(27:34):
it's just a further awayconnection from source.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, because it just shows us that we're getting too
super focused outside ofourselves and we're getting too
wrapped up in the quagmire ofwhat other people have going on.
Yeah, and we are thereforefurther away from our connection
to who we really are, to oursource.
So that's just good information.
When something makes us angryor frustrated or or pissed off
(28:01):
or whatever, we just have to sayto ourselves it's okay, I'm
allowed to be angry or I'mallowed to be frustrated right
now, but I don't want to staythere, because this is just
information that says to me oh,I have just gone so far away
from my connection that I'mstarting to see things
differently here than I reallysee from the inside of me, and
(28:23):
so that's going to happen.
So when it happens, we justwant to reel ourselves back in,
bring it back home.
Ask yourself, like, what does myinner being say about this?
What really feels good to meabout this?
Because I don't think it trulyfeels good to anybody to hate
somebody else, to want somebodyelse to change it.
(28:43):
No, you can't.
People can't change enough tomake an angry person happy or to
feel better.
If you look out there in theworld and you say, all right,
forget Source.
I don't even know if Sourceknows what it's talking about.
I'm just going to let you allknow I need you to be like this
and I need you to be like thatand I need you to stop that, and
(29:04):
I need you to start this and Ineed you to go over there and I
need you to play with thosepeople and I want you to be like
that and I need you to stopthat and I need you to start
this and I need you to go overthere and I need you to play
with those people and I want youto talk like this and I want
you to wear these clothes.
Do you see how insane that is?
Oh yeah, I know, right, I agree, because everybody would have a
different opinion about that.
Some may be similar, but wewould have so many about things
that they think should be acertain way Right.
(29:28):
And if you don't behave likethat, well then we've got to do
something with you.
Yeah, it's kind of like in ourprisons.
We have the majority of peoplein prison, have mental health
issues and or drug addiction orsome kind of addiction, right,
and so it's become a good idea,we think, to lock them up, put
(29:50):
them all together and lock themup and see how that goes, right.
But there are places aroundthis country and elsewhere where
, instead of that, they willtake nonviolent I'll use
criminals.
Because what?
other but nobody really.
Nobody really is.
And they take these individualsand they put them on farms and
(30:11):
they say, okay, no cell phonesfor now.
You're going to pitch in, youdon't have to do this, you can
stay in jail or we're going togive you the option you can go
and work on the farm.
Right, and I saw this wasactually a Kennedy interview
that he did with a bunch ofpeople that are in this scenario
, because this is his solution.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, I think I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Which is a very good solution.
And he just sat down and hetalked with them and he said so
how is this working?
Like what do you think?
And every single one of themsaid I'm a new person.
I am such a new person Becausenow I like, I have time to think
with my own mind.
I have time, I'm recognizingthat I can accomplish things.
They're not just teaching themhow to farm, they're teaching
(30:53):
them how to build and haveskills, and they feel worthy,
they feel valued, they feelloved, they cook for each other,
they build things for eachother.
They, you know like they allwork together and it's changing
them from the inside out.
And that's true love, that'strue compassion, that's why
(31:14):
that's why that feels good.
Does it work for every singleperson?
Probably not, but that's okay,that's their journey.
They may do better in a jailcell, right.
But you know, I think we shouldat least have the compassion to
look at somebody who is maybeconfused or angry or violent or
(31:38):
different than us, and be ableto say it's okay that you're
different than me, right.
Like I don't know why you'rechoosing the things that you're
choosing.
Like you want to dress likethat.
I don't know why you'rechoosing it, but okay, if it
works for you, you seem to behappy.
So when we don't do that,that's when we start to get
(32:00):
really confused people, reallyfrustrated and angry on the
inside people, because they getfurther and further and further
and further away from theirconnection to source.
And the further away we get,the more miserable we become and
then our life becomes.
So why would we want to try totrap people in that and say,
(32:22):
just because you don't dress theway I want you to dress?
And say just because you don'tdress the way I want you to
dress, you're bad, you're wrong,you need to be dealt with.
Right.
That, just.
It makes absolutely no sense tome.
What is?
Do we really think that?
That's what Source would?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
have to say Right, no , I agree.
I agree with all that.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Definitely I mean you know all that.
Definitely I mean you know.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
And two, you know, kimberly, with the children.
Another thing to remember isSource is paying attention to
them as well and guiding them.
Like I said, on the inside,they're mature, intelligent
souls, right?
So this is a co-creative thingthat we have going on here at
every age and with everydifferent type of person on this
(33:06):
planet, and the more we beginto trust the synchronistic
blending of what's going on, theless we will try to put our
claws in it and make it what wethink it should be Right.
And we're doing that.
We're doing better at that.
We're getting better and better.
So we do have a lot of thingsout in the air right now that
(33:27):
haven't been out there before,and so they're going to be out
there loud and proud for a while, because that's what we've
always done in history.
When women were finally allowedto like vote or be, they got
loud and proud for a while,right?
And then everybody relaxedabout it.
There was a lot of back andforth, agreement, disagreement.
You know, we're just people arefickle.
(33:51):
Yeah, in a sense, or at leastcan be.
And the more that we get closerto our true self, which is a
loving, compassionate self andnonjudgmental because you can't
be loving and compassionate andjudgmental at the same time,
right the more we get in touchwith that, and that's why I love
(34:13):
that we're teaching likemindfulness to children.
Meditation, just bringing yourattention to your body and to
where your soul is and just bethere, just just for a few
moments, just be in that space.
It makes all the difference forthese kids.
Just that little bit of stuff,right?
(34:36):
And then, and then that's goingto serve them for the rest of
their lives and it's going toserve all of us, because the
more we have children findingtheir peace at a younger age,
the better.
This whole thing is going toget Right.
You know, I've probably saidbefore on the podcast.
I hear people on Facebooksaying oh well, when we were
(34:58):
kids, we had to stay out until 8o'clock and we got beat if we
did this and we had to drinkfrom the hose.
Right, we rode in the back ofpickup trucks and you know so
and we're.
We all grew up.
We got yelled at, we gotsmacked, we got abused, but we
all turned out fine.
And you know, it just makes melaugh because I think, no, you
didn't Stop and think for aminute.
(35:19):
No, you did not.
You're all.
You're mean to each other,you're abusive to your children.
Maybe I don't know we aregetting better, but I think it's
.
It's important for us to saythe past is the past.
You know there were there.
I know it's still happening,but there were times where it
was much more common forsomebody who was sexually
different to get beat up or evenkilled because of it.
(35:42):
Right, right, right or to getlocked up or whatever the case
may be, and more learning thatthat does not work.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, no, I, I definitely I agree with that and
I it kind of when I kind of putthat out to spirit to like calm
me down because I was so riledup about it um, the information
that I feel that I got was that,as you said, like we've been in
this place in history before,right, this is all like a cycle.
We go through it and each timewe gain more knowledge than the
(36:15):
time before.
And, yeah, it kind of broughtme to the past, I don't know.
I guess it was like in the1940s, 1950s, when they were
doing lobotomies on people.
And I did a lot of research onthat and I remember my daughter
and I went to a museum at anasylum it's an old asylum, it's
(36:39):
now like a tourist attractionand there was a whole area where
they were showing like wherethey did lobotomies and about
the lobotomies.
There was a whole area wherethey were showing like where
they did lobotomies and aboutthe lobotomies and everyone was
standing there like, oh my god,like you know, you can't believe
we did this and I didn'trealize until I researched it
that the majority of the menthat were given lobotomies was
(36:59):
because they were gay and theyreally believed that that would
be the thing that would fix them.
And it didn't.
Obviously it didn't.
And not only did it not fixthem, it caused them permanent
damage and very few people hadsuccess with lobotomies for
(37:22):
whatever reason they were giventhem.
But it kind of brought myawareness to that of saying,
look, you know we've done downthis path of this is what's
going to fix something.
And then you know we've learnedfrom it and this is kind of
where things are at right nowand, like you said, it's it's,
it's a cycle.
I mean, eventually this willkind of and eventually this will
(37:50):
kind of.
I guess for me it was theknowledge of knowing that I was
so riled up about it because Iwas thinking these kids are just
depressed, like they just needsomething and they're not
getting it and so they'rechoosing something that they're
later than regretting.
Like I'd watch video aftervideo after video and what I saw
was that older people who hadgender reassignment seemed like
it was really successful forthem, they were happy with their
(38:11):
choice, and there was a lot ofvideos of kids that were in
their 20s going.
This just wasn't what I neededand I guess I was like okay, you
know what, this is theirjourney, it's not my journey,
it's their journey.
Right, is their journey.
It's not my journey, it's theirjourney.
It will be for them what it'sgoing to be and there'll be so
(38:32):
many great things to be learnedfor everybody from all of this.
And it's not a bad thing thatpeople are having more
acceptance and kindness aroundthe issue.
Having more acceptance andkindness around the issue.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
So, yeah, well, I think it's important to remember
when you get riled up aboutsomething anything it's good to
think to yourself there'ssomething really good here.
Right, there's a reason why I'mriled up.
I don't want to stay here, butI am looking for the honey.
Yeah, there has to be a reason.
There's something in this forme.
There's some new insight, somenew data, whatever it might be,
(39:18):
but there is something here forme, or wouldn't be here, so I'm
really curious now.
But now you're not so riled up,now you're curious, now you can
see honey and you get to see thepoint why all of this stuff is
here, why all of this happens,why we go through it all.
It's easy to look out there andreally question why in the
world does that need to be partof what we're doing here?
Right, you know, with peoplebeing so judgmental or with you
(39:41):
know whatever, but again youknow it comes back to it's just
none of our business.
Then, if it's somebody else'sstuff, if it's not hurting you,
if it's not trying to controlyou or whatever, and and frankly
you know, if we feel controlledor whatever, that's on us.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Right, because that's not really possible.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
We have to get that permission Right?
No, I agree with you.
If we truly trust that thatnothing controls us, then
nothing can.
But sometimes it's a hard thatthat's a far reach for some
people.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh no, I agree.
I mean.
That's why I said I feel like Ihave this awareness, yet I
still really struggle with that.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
So yeah, I, I'm always trying, yeah and tell
yourself I don't struggle withit, because then you always
struggle with it.
Okay, Just say to yourselfsometimes I just learn more
about it.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Right, that's a good one.
I'm going to write that down.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, if you think sometimes I know I don't have
all the data, because that'swhat the struggle feels like
it's just the fact that there'smore data and you don't
necessarily have access to itright now, right, usually
because we're pinching it off.
So anytime we tell ourselves westruggle with anything, we're
going to keep struggling with it.
But if we can relax in that andsay there are times where it
(41:02):
just kind of gets to me becausethere's some kind of honey that
I'm not seeing or there'ssomething that I'm not
understanding about it, so I'llknow when I know I'm always
gathering more information andmore understanding and more
clarity.
We should never think that wehave to get to a place where we
have all the clarity and thenwe're good.
That's not going to happenwhile you're in your human body,
(41:23):
because everything's eternal.
There's always going to be more.
But I think you know if we canlook at anything, especially
like with the kids, and we think, okay, but where's the honey in
that?
Right, because there therealways is.
But when we're frustrated, wewon't see it.
That the frustration is justfeedback from source that says
(41:46):
well, in that thought thatyou're in right now, you're not
going to see it, so find yourease, and then you'll see it.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, that's good, that's good advice, it's good
stuff.
I agree, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And you know, while it's on my mind the whole honey
thing, I noticed that there's alistener from Waterford, ireland
, and I love Ireland, I haveIrish in me.
I think Ireland's just amazing.
I've never been there, but Ithought let me just look this up
.
Yeah, waterford Ireland.
And so, as I Googled it, theyhad some images, some pictures.
(42:19):
The second image was a placecalled the Viking Triangle and
on the front of the buildingthere was a whole painting there
and the main thing in thepainting was a large bumblebee.
Oh nice, I thought, wow, isn'tthat interesting.
So whoever you are at Waterford, I'd love to know who you are,
and I just thought that was socold.
There's another bee sign, justbecause I was curious and I
(42:43):
thought I don't know, let me seewhat Waterford looks like.
And there's a bee.
Second image in.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
That's nice.
I've actually been to Waterforda couple of times.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It's kind of nice, I like it.
You should go yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I have a friend there .
Yeah, there you go, right.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
So thank you.
Whoever's listening there inWaterford, I really appreciate
you and this this is a nice talk.
(43:22):
I think you know, when we canunderstand that this world is
full of different, different,different, different, then we'll
stop trying to make it samesame same.
Okay that people disagree.
It's okay that people havecompletely different outlooks
than other people.
It has to be that way, so it'simportant that we stop trying to
not make it be that way.
That was the intention.
This is the planet you came toto have experiences on and with,
so the more ease we find in it,the more honey we'll see and
(43:48):
the better this life will be forall of us.
But we cannot speak to anybodyelse's journey.
We can only look through ourown unique perspective, Right.
And hold our own counsel aswe're doing that, and then we'll
have a much better ride here.
That's good stuff.
So there we are Peace to allthe genders and sexual
(44:14):
preferences, and people inprison, out of prison.
People that disagree with me,people that agree with me, it's
all good.
It's all here for a reason, allright.
So I think that's all we haveto say about that.
Yeah, thank you, kimberly, forjoining me again.
You're welcome.
It's always a reason All right.
So I think that's all we haveto say about that.
Yeah, thank you, kimberly, forjoining me again.
You're welcome.
It's always a pleasure.
You're always so much fun totalk with.
(44:34):
Thanks for having me.
And to all of you out there,you can find me at
mysticaltruthscom.
Thank you.
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