122 Candles in the Wind: The Day Diana Died: Memories and Controversies

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What if the tragic death of Princess Diana wasn't just an accident? Join us as we revisit the life and untimely demise of the People's Princess through a blend of personal stories, public reactions, and the ever-persistent conspiracy theories that have surrounded her legacy. We begin with an apology for our previous episode on spies, admitting our shortcomings and sharing a charming story about an eight-year-old’s unexpected fascination with Bridge of Spies. Reminiscing about our childhood experiences with PG-13 movies, we also highlight Kate Winslet's career from Titanic to Mare of Easttown, even joking about having her as a future guest.

Recounting the day Princess Diana died, we share our vivid memories of where we were and the intense media coverage that followed. From the initial reports of paparazzi involvement to Elton John's heartfelt tribute and the Princess Diana beanie baby phenomenon, we cover the public's reaction in detail. We reflect on how the media narrative might have oversimplified the blame on the paparazzi and how our perceptions of Diana have evolved with age. This chapter offers a heartfelt trip down memory lane while questioning the story we've all been told.

In the final segments, we dive into the more controversial aspects of Diana's life and death, exploring her secret interview with Martin Bashir, her tumultuous marriage to Prince Charles, and the conspiracy theories suggesting foul play by the British Royal Family. We scrutinize the various motivations behind these theories, including her relationship with Dodi Fayed and her rumored pregnancy. We also touch on Diana's own fears of a staged accident, adding a chilling layer to the discussion. Join us as we dissect these complex and enduring mysteries, honoring Princess Diana’s memory while seeking to unravel the truth behind her tragic end.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey guys, Welcome back to another installment of
the Nailing History podcast.
I've been given strictinstructions to not discuss the
length of the intro musicanymore.
I guess in doing that I justdid, but I just wanted to make
the point that you won't hearabout it ever again.
Whoever said that to me?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
That's some good advice, but, yeah, just a good
point that we want to.
We always like to take yourfeedback on.
So thank you for that, guys,and we're stoked to have you
back for another installment ofNailing History.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah and hey guys.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Matt and John.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
We really, hey, john, I really think we should take
this time to apologize aboutthat last episode, not the
trivia episode, but that thatspies episode.
I'm sorry fans and we're gonnatake, we'll admit when we're not
at our best and john probablysaid it the best.
When I asked him if he hadlistened to it, he said yes and
it kind of put me to sleep,which, if you're listening to

(01:24):
yourself and it's putting you tosleep, it's usually not a good
indication of what the listenersare going to like.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
It wasn't my best work, I got to be honest.
I just I was driving down 95,just humdrum, and listening to
my own voice, and I was justlike, oh my God, is that really
what I sound like?
And my fiance tried to like.
She like, yeah, I know, I tellyou no monotone and I'm like I
know, but it's like the subjectmatter was dry and kind of

(01:49):
nobody was prepared.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, I mean it was a preparation issue it was a
preparation issue and I got itthis week's episode I gotta take
, I gotta take, uh, I gotta takethe hit on that one.
I didn't prepare it all and youknow, as the lead producer of
the show, I really I really cameup short on that last episode.
So fans hope you're stillsticking around.

(02:11):
We we have.
From what I gather, we haveabout 12 loyal fans that listen
every week, down from the 89listeners that we had for one of
those OJ episodes.
But hey, you know, at least wegot, we'll get them back when we
do a Lacey Peterson's L ninelisteners that we had for one of
those oj episodes.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
But hey, you know, at least we got, we'll get them
back.
When we do a lacy peterson's,lacy and scott peterson story,
we'll get them back yeah or hey.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
You know we still got the trial to cover with emily m
, so you know maybe right yeahbut if I feel bad because the
eighty, nine people who listento that episode if they're not
keeping up with us, then they'renot going to know when we're
dropping that.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
So they got a their loss.
I guess anything about Germanspy craft that's, that's for
sure.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, they're definitely not going to know
about the bridge of spies thatyou kept mentioning in that last
episode.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
So but you did say that one of your familial
relations is interested inwatching that movie.
Now you might have been jokingwith me.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
No, I wasn't my eight-year-old nephew.
We got him interested in thestory.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yep, just on our telling Wow, I guess maybe he
reads and watches it as much.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, I mean he was interested in it.
I did have to.
I guess I'll give a PSA forthat, john.
You could correct me if I'mwrong.
He asked he's eight years oldor no?
Sorry, he's 10 years old.
Hope he's not listening, he's10.
And he was asking if he was, ifit was appropriate for him to

(03:39):
watch, and I think it is.
I don't know what it's rated.
I think it might be rated PG 13, but I think I think he's.
I mean, I was 10 when I went tosee men in black black in the
movie theater.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
So and I know under 13.
When Titanic came out speedyeah, I had to close my eyes
during one scene in particular,but I was there when it came out
.
I do remember being in themovie theater.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I mean everybody was.
And Kate Winslet who playedRose in that film.
I've said multiple times shefilmed a show for HBO in our
area called Mare of Easttown.
It was filmed near where I live.
I remember when I saw it firstI was like I feel like Leo could

(04:25):
do better, looks wise, becauseI think I didn't think she was
as attractive.
But then as I've watched themovie again I watch it a lot
that's one of those movies.
Anytime I see it on I'mwatching, you know, at least
until the first commercial break.
And I think lately I feel likeas I've gotten older and seen, I
mean she was quite the beautyin that film.

(04:46):
I would quite beautiful redhair.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, I know what that.
I know.
When it came, when the moviecame out on on VHS, it was a two
, it was a two-parter it was was.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
It was a two tapes.
I feel like it might have beenmore.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I remember my sister, my sister bought it.
Probably only watched the firstone, probably lost the second
one immediately and we're neverwatched it.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, or what I saw, or you hit it so you could keep
it for the late nighttime video.
Those two guys in the in thecrow's nest, that didn't that.
That missed the iceberg.
How do we even get here?
I can't even walk back fiveminutes.
How are we gonna?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
like create a whole narrative fiction how
alternative events how do we getto that?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
we got the kate winslet.
Oh, my nephew.
My nephew wanted to know if hecould see Bridge of Spies.
I said I think it might be aPG-13 movie.
You said well, hey, I went tosee Titanic before I was 10.
Well, yeah, it was Kate Winsletepisode.

(05:59):
Hey, maybe we can get her onsomeday.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I'll send this to her , I'll send this episode to her
homage and your appreciationwith a P?
S.
Thank you from thirteen yearold Matt you well, I would have
been nine, nine.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I think that came out in nineteen ninety seven, which
is a great segue into whatwe're going to be talking about
today.
So let's, let's get startedhere, let's have every now that
we got everyone kind of in themood, you know, of like thinking
of, like those late nineties,everything that was going on,
the nineteen, ninety, nineteen,ninety, seven, go back into a

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simpler time a year.
It was a big year.
Ninety nine seven was a goodyear for some, for the subject
of this episode For some, yeah.
So everyone likes a goodconspiracy theory.
Everyone likes some good,old-fashioned, not necessarily
accurate conspiracy theory talk.

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We got it lined up here for you, something that's an
anniversary, that's coming up onAugust 31st 1997, the day that
the Princess Diana of Wales,princess Diana, diana, princess
of Wales.
Yes, diana, princess of Wales,she had passed away with her

(07:20):
boyfriend, dodi Fayed, in France, in Paris, in Paris, france,
along with their driver, henriPaul.
They died in the tunnel of love, I think, or what was it called
.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
On the llama.
Yes, the French translation isplease stand by.
I've walked over the bridge.
Fun fact in my time in Parisonce.
I think there were still abunch of roses and stuff when I
did it Then I think fans arestill leaving tons of things
there.
It's just called the AlmaBridge.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I mean, I think if you were our age, you know, if
you were anywhere between youknow, if you were of any age
where you could be, it is likethe biggest story of the year by
far and I remember having neverI'd like before this happened.
I was like I didn't even knowwho princess Diana was.
Then, all of a sudden, eltonJohn's coming out with a song
about her after she dies andit's like the biggest news, you

(08:19):
know and do you know where youwere?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
for me, it's one of those.
I know where I was reallybecause the news kicked in.
Yeah, do you remember where youwere?
Like I know where 9-11 was.
I know we're staying to die Idon't know why, princess Diana,
but I do.
Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
No, no, that's definitely it was.
I was just kind of like oh.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I didn't, I was at.
I was at my grandparents house.
Saturday Night Live was on.
Jeff goldbloom was hosting andI think he was in his monologue
and just like halfway through itjust cut to breaking news story
of princess diana's been in acar accident or we have like
unconfirmed reports.
It was like that early on.
Yeah, it was that she.

(08:58):
Um, it's interesting youremember that I do.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I don't.
That wasn't like a define.
It wasn't like a define I was.
If saturday night live was on,I was probably in bed.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Be honest with you I guess I got to stay up later
when I was at my grandparentsyeah, that's true that's yeah
that's a good point snl 1997.
Yeah, I think I got a swore.
Yeah, may seven episode airedmay 17th 1997, so it must have
been a repeat well, that's noteven close to when the date was.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's actually about four months before it happened.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Good job, john, great memory I swear to you that Jeff
Goldblum was the host, so itcould have been a repeat.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Oh see, yeah, I mean it's probably not live.
Yeah, right End of summer?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I don't know.
Yeah, I yeah, right End ofsummer?
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I don't thinkthey're coming out.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I mean, I don't know, I don't watch that horrible
show.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
But it was funny back then.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, but not now, so I don't know if they're in
current I'm assuming they'recurrently off season.
But Anyway, so let's go back.
You know, if you're our age andyou were young, the only thing
Like, hey, the paparazzi wasfollowing Princess Diana and her
boyfriend through it.
This was my recollection of theevents.
Paparazzi was followingPrincess Diana and her boyfriend

(10:10):
, chasing her through a tunnel,and then she didn't make it out
of the tunnel.
Basically, long story short,and the paparazzi had gotten.
I remember most of it was thatthe paparazzi was just so heavy
on her and caused them to speed.
That was the story that Iremember.
Paparazzi was just so heavy onher and like, cause them to
speed or that mean.
That was the story that Iremember was the paparazzi was
following them and then herdriver was speeding to get away

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and they basically crashed andthat car was trashed.
I mean, you couldn't it was arack and a half.
I mean jesus, geez, I'm apodcast episode it was like the
personification of our spiesepisode.
Yes, it was trashed.
I'm like man, that's crazy andlike then you know so.

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Then I remember Elton Johncoming out with a song.
I remember there being a beaniebaby coming out with a Princess
Diana beanie baby.
So there's a little bit ofbackstory.
I mean, that's the memory.
I don't know, john, what memorydo you have?
I remember the funeral was abig deal.
It was like constant coverageof that.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Those are things I can't personally recall.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I guess I remember how big of a deal it was.
I do remember seeing her kidsat the funeral procession.
They were hyper-focused onWilliam and Harry.
That's pretty much all.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I just remember the dad just on the SNL four month
old Jeff Goldblum episode beingcut out for the car chase.
No, I don't remember like I can.
Like I know about the EltonJohn song, I know about kind of
the higher little stuff, but theactual even how the media was
taking, but the actual even howthe media was taking it after
the fact, I really don'tremember it.

(11:48):
We were eight or nine.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, we were nine.
Yeah, nine, I mean, I remember.
I just remember the paparazzibeing the main blame game, which
, yeah, very convenient, if youask me.
I don't know, just saying verythe paparazzi with the scapegoat
.
So you don't believe it, areyou kidding me?
Of course I don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Seventh anniversary.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
It may seem like a random date but I think the
reason that it really resonateswith John and I now is Princess
Diana was our age when shepassed away, which is kind of.
That's interesting becauseobviously when know, obviously
when we're, when we see that shelooks like some old mom but now
we were just talking beforehandwe look at pictures of her.
I'm like she was a looker, Ican say it.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
He was attractive, she was a babe, good looking
lady yeah mother of twogoodlooking lady with a not so
good-looking husband well, forany of our fans who don't know I
think I'm sure a number of youdo matt is a uh.
What would be the opposite ofan anglophone?
You're an anglophobe.
I know they call any peoplethat love the british or

(13:00):
anglophiles.
I'd say you're certainly ananglophobe.
I don't think you like thebritish at all well, I hey if we
have fans from.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
If we have friends from England, I like them, Of
course.
My whole thing is I don'tunderstand why everyone like
thinks that the royal family isso great when they're kind of
like.
The whole thing in the historyof world history has been
oppression.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I think that could be argued.
I'd say I think an argumentthat can be made is that I think
Diana wish, because she wascalling out some of the stuff
that the family was doing andhow it was kind of a business, I
think, since 19, since the mid90s when she was talking about
it, and now the whole thing withMegan Margo and everything else
.
I think, yes, still, even it's.
Maybe it's weirder in the, inthe modern times.

(13:49):
Why do people still look up tothese people that I have one,
they have no power, they don'thave any governmental power, and
two, they're like leeches onsociety and the economy.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't knowwe get out.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I I mean my thought is always in, like when there's
a met, when there's a weddingcoming on, when there's a
wedding, there's always a royalfamily wedding coming on or
anything like that, andeveryone's like, oh, I'm staying
up, I'm getting up early towatch this, blah blah.
I'm like dude, if they were inAmerica people, could you
imagine if there was like afamily that just took all of our
tax money to live in this fancy?

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Well, I guess just and unfortunately they're not a
natural aristocracy.
They're an artificial, more ofan artificial aristocracy.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
You know, imagine if our taxpayers were paying for a
family to live in this big giantwhite house in one of the most
expensive real estate areas inthe country.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Could you imagine and continue to pay for them after
they leave office with secret,secure, secret service?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
detail and houses, contracts, and yeah and yeah
pensions, but I think which Imean kind of talk myself into
that one.
But I just feel like obviouslythe it's just so much of a
publicity thing.
I don't know well, I thinkpeople like it it's certainly.
I mean, there's a fantasytowards it, I'm sure like these

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women wanted to be be princessesand the men wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
you know, prince charming, I think it's also now
in twenty twenty four, I think,of people that do still like I
like to learn about the BritishMonarchy.
One is like not many othercountries that have it still.
I mean, there are still somecountries in Europe that have a
king, queen, or even a duke incase of Luxembourg, that you
know people could know about,but I feel like they're just so
symbolic of a foregone era, likethere was a monarchy and there

(15:32):
was a way you were to presentyourself and you had customs and
traditions, chivalry, bad orindifferent chivalry.
I just think it harkens backSome people just like the drama
that I think I think princessDiana kind of like launched,
like everything was so buttonedup with these people, you know,
until she gave this biginterview in 1995 where you know

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she basically had a under likethe cover of darkness, kind of
like whisk away a interviewerand his cameraman into
Kensington palace so she coulddo this interview and where she
started outing them and sayinglike hey, well, this is how it
kind of really is and I feel youknow like it was just, she was
just kind of laying it all outthere.
I think then that kind of reallycreated this drama that I think

(16:13):
was left, mostly like inparliament.
I feel like in like the Britishtimes was like there was like
parliament scandals and stuff,like in the seventies and
eighties.
I don't feel.
I feel like that stuff didn'ttouch the royal family.
I think like the royal familywas seen as above all that and
then, like I think, diana cameon the scene, it was like yo, my
husband is a loser and I don'tlike him.

(16:35):
He's got big old ears, theysomething about it.
Dumbos flying out the house andyeah, I guess they had to do
away with their or the pop.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, hey, yeah, so anyways, let's, so, let's, let's
get into this.
So there's been, you know.
So I think obviously, when wewere kids, you never, there was
never any thought of like, hey,maybe the royal family had
something to do with this little.
It's kind of a it's a bit of amysterious car accident.

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There's some mystery shroudedaround it and some things
necessarily may not add up.
I mean, I'm not going to saythat I'm an internet sleuth, but
I just think, hey, she wasbeing a little, she was going
against the crown, she wasdating someone who may not have
looked to be the proper personto be dating through the eyes of

(17:29):
the monarchy.
So, yeah, she was going againstthe grain.
So there's been some conspiracyon what happened.
So let's just get down to John.
Do you want to start with theinterview that you're talking
about kind of like, the start oflike, where everything started
going south on the old Britishcrown and Diana started going?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, so what?
She was what nineteen years oldwhen she was married to Charles
the third.
So she was quite a young womanwhen she was first wedded into
the family and you know, for thefirst, however many years you
know, after the birth of William, after the birth of Harry, I
think she was just seen as thatdoting mother, you know, kind of

(18:15):
docile, you know sort of justdoing the bidding of a, of a
future queen kind of thing,trying to act in act in that
light.
But by the early 90s, I guess,word was getting out that she
was in an unhappy marriage withCharles, apparently.
Even by 1986, I think it wasknown, it was an open secret

(18:37):
that Charles was in arelationship with Carmela.
They're still together, they'retogether to this day and yeah,
so things were clearly wereshaky, but you know, they were
kind of keeping the image in thefront up, like the, you know
the world family.
They had like literally likefixers he had, like they had
security detail, they had, youknow, media handlers, you know
and all these people that werelike keeping this whole thing,

(18:59):
you know this bridge of bridgeof cards, if you will, kind of
up and going.
And so in 1992, yeah, shereleased a book with the help of
this, diana did.
Diana did which I think in thewas supposed to be a way of her
kind of kind of getting some ofthis stuff out there.
She was trying to kind ofexpose some of the stuff through

(19:21):
that book.
Kind of backfired on her fromwhat I was reading and uh, the,
the Royal family, kind ofclamped down that much harder on
her.
So after that she was basicallyI don't know if she was forced
to, but she ended up living inKensington palace all by herself
.
Uh, castles and palacesscattered throughout England and

(19:42):
different, you know, differenttimes in history you'd put
different people in, sometimesjust to kind of do away with
them, uh, just to get them outof, get it out of sight, out of
mind.
And so, yeah, she was living inthis palace and, um, basically,
word kind of got started thatyou know obviously she was not
happy.
And uh, the people at the BBC,this one gentleman guy by the

(20:04):
name of Martin Bashir, who in1995, the year of of the
interview he would end up havingwith her, he was kind of like a
, like a low man on the totempole there.
So like everyone wanted to do aninterview with Princess Diana,
like everyone kind of had theseburning questions that they knew
like she wasn't happy, theyknew there was, you know,

(20:25):
trouble in paradise, like theyjust wanted an interview, but
everything was so buttoned upand a lot of these journalists
and all these people they hadtheir own kind of cult of
personality going on, likeBarbara Walters wanted her and
the mother, kind of high endBritish people.
So this guy, martin Bashir, he'skind of a low man on the totem

(20:46):
pole in terms of the BBC, so inthat way he could kind of go
around the normal channels andkind of not be seen.
So then so this guy, he afterthe fact he'd be accused with
like deception and unethicalconduct for how he actually went
about getting an interview withPrincess Diana.
So he basically started forgingbank statements that falsely

(21:08):
suggested people close to Dianawere being paid to spy on her.
Uh, he showed the documents toDiana's brother, earl Spencer,
to gain his trust and secure andintroduction to Diana.
Um, he kind of I think he hegot a connection at MI mi five,
which is a security service inbritain, and you know, basically
worked out that he kind ofplayed into like hey, the

(21:30):
government's spying on you, theintelligence services are
keeping an eye on you, so herelet us follow and like why don't
you kind of share your side ofthe story?
and so yeah basically, somehow,like he managed to like,
eventually hire up to the how dothey know that this wasn't true
?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
all the stuff that he was saying.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
You said, he forged this stuff.
Yeah, he forged bank statements.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Do they know that they were forged?
Are they just saying that?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
it's now been proven by who and he's been like let go
from the bbc.
I don't know if he said it, I'mjust saying the BBC offered a
public apology for the way theinterview was obtained and for
the subsequent cover-up.
They returned the BAFTA awardwon by the interview, eventually

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resigned from the BBC.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Dang dang, that's gorilla interviewing, I guess
they would call that, so I don'tsee Diane Sawyer doing that.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
They do not, and it had to be done in much secrecy.
So it was literally the day ofthe interviews.
November fifth of nineteen andninety five is when they did the
interview, and it was justBashir, his cameraman, and an
editor, basically somehow manand Diana, and Diana was in the
palace.
Yes, they get.
The three of those guys had toget snuck into the palace.
Only those closest to her knewwhat was going on.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
She's married at this point, correct?
Yeah, she's still with Charlesat this point.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
But she's basically living in the palace by herself
and then, yeah, the guy doesthis interview against the full,
gets the raw tape, sends it toone of the as they say, gets the

(23:14):
tea.
but they can't like cut the film, they don't want to like take
the raw footage and, you know,start, take it to BBC
headquarters and start editingit like, and then eventually the
higher-ups catch wind of it andthen, yeah, they, they
eventually release it to thepublic.
Uh, how many weeks later?
Two weeks later, what is this?
Uh, november 20th 1995, it wasa 54 minute program uh with

(23:39):
martin basheer where he askedher about her relationship with
her husband, char Charles,prince of Wales, and the reasons
for their subsequent separation.
It was watched by nearly 23million viewers in the UK and
the worldwide audience wasestimated 200 million across 100
countries.
They said that in the UK theNational Grid reported a 1,000
megavolt surge in demand forpower after the program and it

(24:04):
was called the Scoop ofgeneration and the scoop all
right, so to scoop, so all thisstuff is.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
so she's talking about extramarital affairs in
here between her and Charles.
You know, for she she had some,yeah, both of them.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
They were just unhappy, it seems hey, and how
to keep up a front and image.
And this is, this is the partof the royal family.
You're in the family now, yeah,no, getting out.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yep, that's what I love about them.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
They're so great bridge in Paris.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So so yeah.
So then, a month after thisinterview, I believe, the queen
told Diana and Charles that sherecommends they divorce.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, so cat was out of the bag.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
That was it.
That was the last straw.
The Queen's like we got to gether out of here because she's
knows too much.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yes, getting assigned book deals, it's just going to
go through the roof.
Netflix will eventually come tobe, come to pass, and she'll be
making documentaries on there.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
We got to get her out yeah, so interesting.
So that's kind of starting thiswhole like I mean, you know it
was a lead up to that, but youknow they call this interview
the tipping point as in a sensethat, like you know, diana was
kind of like stuff's not cool,but this was like the time where
you know the queen's like thishas got to end right.

(25:24):
Yeah, so they got divorced.
I think their divorce was found, was finalized, like the
following year.
And then you know diana, shestill has her.
Does she still have her titleor I'm not sure she's still her
title?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
but she was still doing charitable things, she was
the queen in the country'sheart, queen of their heart, she
was just still a public figure.
I guess you could say shecertainly was.
Yeah, I mean still people referto her as princess.
So pre-divorce, so before thedivorce, she was formerly known
as Her Royal Highness thePrincess of Wales.

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After the divorce, she wassimply Diana Princess of Wales.
After the divorce, she wassimply Diana Princess of Wales.
The loss of the Her RoyalHighness title meant that she
was no longer considered amember of the royal family and
could not carry, could not?
She had.
No, she had to curtsy to thosewith the.
She had to curtsy to those withthe High Royal Royal Highness

(26:27):
designation, including her ownchildren.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Dang, that's cold blooded.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, I can imagine having to curtsy to your kids
after.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, there's a prince right there.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
You got to bow before him.
He's like well, it came out ofme.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Dude, that would be wild.
So okay, so that's a little bitof a background.
There's riffs going on.
We're not going to get I'm, Idon't know enough, and we're not
going to get that far into herefor conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yes, we're here for the dirt of this event, so we
tried getting the facts.
It's boring.
We're going for the hot stuffso all right, so they get
divorced.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Their divorce is finalized in like August of
nineteen ninety six.
Diana is continuing to do herprincess of Wales thing that
John just explained, but youknow she's also, I think she's
dating around, as of courseshe's a beautiful young lady,
but obviously she's not datingjosh most like me or you.
I mean she's dating some of themost elite people in the world

(27:33):
you could imagine tough.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
It'd be tough to find a date that with that person
out, with that level of intrigue, there's no anonymity to it.
I wonder you know, yeah, yeah,how do you?
Basically I say that how do you, how do you?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
like.
How do you think?

Speaker 1 (27:53):
the posers from the real, the real dudes to the guys
that are worth their salt.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Now here's a good question.
If she has to curtsy to herkids, does that mean if you went
on a date with her and you wentto go pick her up at her house,
you'd have to bow to the kidsat home?
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I didn't know that anyone had to curtsy when they
saw women curtsy of.
Well, men do men bow.
I guess, if I just saw PrinceWilliam in the supermarket, just
happenstance, like what, I'd beresponsible as like a bridge
subject about him probably,which I guess I am.
I am a British subject, yeah,technically yeah, with your

(28:39):
Australian citizenship.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
So that's pretty wild state.
That's pretty wild.
That'd be a pretty wildsituation.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
You bow to him.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, if you'd have to, I guess wouldn't know what
you knowing what you don't knowif Princess Diane and I would
get along too well together, Idon't know if we'd get to the
point.
I mean, I feel like, honestly,my honest opinion, if I was able
to go on one date with PrincessDiana, I don't know if it would

(29:09):
lead to a second date,certainly wouldn't lead to a
third date.
So, yeah, she hooks up withthis guy, dodi Fayed, who is an
Egyptian.
I don't know if he was aroyalty, but he was from a very
wealthy family.
A little bit of adding to theconspiracy of definitely

(29:31):
wouldn't have made the queen androyal family necessarily happy
to see her going around with aEgyptian Muslim in the tabloids
which there are a bunch ofpictures give releases of her on

(29:52):
, like these crazy vacationswith him and yeah, the guy does
take a great one of your on hisWikipedia page, but the man's
got a great headshot authorphoto.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
If you ever told me he's the author of like a love
story for our fans, you knowthis is an audio only podcast at
this time.
Guys basically got his handslike folded on his chin, like
with his elbows propping up hishead and he's just got this like
smirk going on.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Kind of like if you were like in bed, like 15 year
old yeah, with like one of hergirlfriends, like talking about
a boy she likes at school.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
It really was like oh my god, I just met princess
diana.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Like I'm so excited, like that's the look on his
picture I will say not very goodlooking, um, probably better
looking than charles, but that'snot saying much.
I feel like low by looks go,I'm 36.
He was 42 at the time.
I feel like I'm better.
I feel like I'm better lookingthan him.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
I've seen a few 90 day 90 day fiancés.
For whatever reason, theyalways go to find people from
Egypt.
I think he's run of the mill.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I think I'm better looking than him, but he
probably had more money than me.
So more money, you think?
So 100.
So let's fast forward.
August 31st 1997, princess diana, and are out on a date.
They get into a Mercedes carand the paparazzi is like all

(31:23):
over the place, right yeah.
And they get in the car,they're in Paris, france, and
they speed away and, like wesaid, they get into a tunnel and
then, from what everyoneunderstands, according to the
reports are that they lostcontrol in the tunnel where you

(31:45):
couldn't see anything happenInteresting, and they collided
with a support pole inside there.
The car gets trashed andPrincess Diana, the driver,
henri Paul Paul and Dodi Fayedall pass away from their
injuries and they're onesurvivor who had severe brain

(32:06):
injuries that I don't think heever really recovered fully from
.
I think he was like a securityguy that Dodi Fayed had hired.
He survived, but the otherthree passed away.
The funeral was seen by likebillions of people across the
world and it gets to youthinking like, hmm, pretty

(32:27):
interesting timing.
Huh, I mean, diana just kind ofspilled the beans on the royal
family.
Year ago she got divorceddating somebody that the royal
family might.
Year ago she got divorced,dating somebody that the royal
family might not necessarilylike.
So somewhat convenient of herto be taken out of the picture.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
What do you think about that?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
So getting down to like.
So there have been someconspiracy theories.
There's some people out therewho are like 1 plus 1 might not
equal 2 here.
Something seems a little fishywith this.
Maybe there's.
What were the reasons?
What were some of the reasonsthat led to such a conspiracy to
be brought up?
There was a couple reasons.

(33:14):
One of them was that there'spotential that Diana was
pregnant with Dodi Fayed's kid,which the crown wouldn't have
been happy with because theywouldn't have wanted an Egyptian
Muslim to potentially be anheir to the throne.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Wait who would she be ?
They were divorced at thatpoint now.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, but you know who wouldn't have no she, there
would be some, though she had acurtsy from to everyone from now
, because she was no longerentitled yeah, but maybe there
would have been a way for him toget there, or maybe just you
know, maybe, hey, maybe justbeing so close to that you know,
you never know could be a,could be a mutiny going on
that's a crackpot conspiracytheory Right on the surface.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I mean that could be a reason why they killed her,
because they just didn't want tobe associated.
They wanted to get rid of herand that guy was involved.
But the potential for them tohave a baby that would
eventually become the king orqueen of England.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Never know.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I've studied enough British monarchical history of
how, of the line of a session, Idon't think that would be a
very possible.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
So the big one, the big reason and these aren't like
conspiracies but just more likereasons why the conspiracy that
parliament or the royal familyI guess it wouldn't necessarily
have been parliament, but itwould have been the Royal Family
was behind the murder ofPrincess Diana, probably the
biggest one is that Charleswanted to marry his personal

(34:49):
assistant, nagy Bork, tiggy LegBork, and I guess you couldn't
marry Because of, even thoughthey were divorced.
I don't think, I still don'tthink, he could marry.
He could have remarried becauseof, like, religious reasons.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Tiggy.
You couldn't marry Tiggy, yeah,because of religious reasons.
Yeah, so was even Camilla.
A third week was Camilla likesecond serving.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Camilla was like.
So Camilla was involved too.
And then Tiggy was involved,like it was like a.
It was like a three.
From from what I understandthere were like it was Charles
Diana, tiggy and Camilla wereall like you know he was just
such a stud that everyone waswanting some of that.
So this even led to the pointthere's this thing called the
Mishan note, I think it'spronounced where Diana requested

(35:39):
a private meeting with herpersonal.
To the point.
There's this thing called theMichon Note, I think it's
pronounced where Diana requesteda private meeting with her
personal legal advisor His nameis Victor Michon to tell him
that something was on her mind.
And during the meeting, whichhe took notes on, she basically
said that reliable sources, whomshe would not name, had
informed her that a car accidentmight be staged and that Diana

(36:04):
predicted she would either endup dead or seriously injured.
Another thing Diana had a notethat she gave to her butler two
months after her divorce in 1996.
The note read it says monthsafter her divorce in 1996.
The note read it says I'msitting here at my desk today in
October longing for someone tohug me and encourage me to keep

(36:25):
strong and hold my head high.
This particular phase of my lifeis the most dangerous.
My husband is planning quoteunquote an accident in my car
brake failure and serious headinjury in order to make the path
clear for him to marry Tiggywhich, like I said Tiggy leg
Bork was the was Prince Charlespersonal assistant, sure.

(36:45):
So all this stuff was kind ofcoming to light, or you know,
some of this stuff kind of cameup and and all these conspiracy
theories started coming in.
So the uh, I don't know if itwas MI six or if it was just it
was a metropolitan operationtask force headed by john
stevens, called operation page a, p, a, g, e, t.

(37:11):
How would you pronounce that,john either?

Speaker 1 (37:14):
pageant or page, if we're going to go with the
french.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I don't know why it would be french, unless I guess,
if it's me page, there have togoing to go with the French.
I don't know why it would be.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
French, unless I guess if it was Paget, there'd
have to be an accent on the E, Ithink Maybe, and then the T
would be silent.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Anyway, operation Paget, headed by this guy, John
Stevens, a special metropolitanoperation task force that looked
into 175 conspiracy theoriessurrounding her death.
So there's a couple of themthat are more interesting than
others, and so I just want to goover a couple of them and see
what you think.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I'm just looking at the chapter names of these, I
guess different possibilitiesfrom his book.
You seen this by who?
John Stevens, Bon, John Stevens.
Yeah, here's report likerelationship, engagement,
pregnancy.
Chapter two perceived threatsto Diana.
Chapter three actions ofpaparazzi.
Four, Henri Paul, Five, CCTV,Six, Mercedes car, Like each one

(38:06):
of those are different, likeare different conspiracy
theories that he looked into.
Yeah, oh geez, okay, All right,sure.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
So first one, henri Paul, who was the driver of the
car.
The French concluded that hewas drunk at the time of the
accident, Even though he lookedand acted sober.
They said that he was drunk atthe time.
Testing his blood alcohol level, he was three times over the
legal limit, which is like, oh,interesting.

(38:36):
But apparently Stevens, johnStevens, this guy heading the
task force, met with HenriPaul's parents, like later on in
life, and told that, to tellthem that he actually wasn't
drunk when he was driving, whichis interesting.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
His parents told him that.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
No, he went to meet with his parents, kind of like,
because this guy, henri Paul,was basically blamed for the
accident.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
He was, he was blamed , so he was wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, the, the whatever, involuntary I don't
know what they called over there, but basically like involuntary
manslaughter or whatever.
So all of these proceedingswent on and he was blamed for it
along, I think, the paparazzi.
There might have been somepeople from the paparazzi
involved, but but so I think,and I think it was kind of, from
what I understand, it wasweighing on this guy, john
Stevens, like, hey, you know,everyone thinks this guy was

(39:26):
drunk but like this somethingyou know it's.
I don't know because, but theysay that he did that, but he was
.
Everybody was saying that hisdemeanor was very sober.
Everyone was like witnessinghis this guy on on re's demeanor
before leaving that he didn'tlook visibly intoxicated, like
as much as the blood test wouldbe.
So there's been like some wasthis blood testing like fudge or

(39:49):
whatever?
You know there's all that kindof stuff, but so he doesn't buy
it.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
So, sir john stevens, stevens he.
So he had.
What is these sixteen like?
Narrowed down to sixteenpossibilities, one of which
being on repall, being drunk, oram I sick?
He doesn't think he just did.
He's just not think he wasdrunk, or he not think he wasn't
.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I just think he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
He was just kind of saying like I don't think he was
drunk or in pair sober than hewas, if he was knowingly sober
and still crash the car.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, I mean, it just seems like another thing of
like oh well, you know anotherway for them to say, like oh
well, he was drunk, that's whyhe crashed, just yeah.
So this one's crazy to me, thisone's pretty interesting.
I don't know.
I mean, that's not crazy.
I'm not going to oversell it,it's not that crazy.
So apparently, the carbonmonoxide levels in the driver's

(40:45):
blood measured like 21% ofhowever they measure it, and
they say it could have been ashigh as 40% of the time of the
crash, which basically, whenyou're covering the level of
carbon monoxide in your blood,is that point?
You have vertigo, you'revomiting like you're not able to
function, and the way that theyexplain that away is that

(41:09):
authorities said that the levelof carbon monoxide in his blood
was due to inhaling gas from theairbags after the accident
happened.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Due to inhaling gas from the airbags after the
accident happened.
That is so like it's the Frenchshits, the French investigation
for it.
I don't?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I think that's more of a.
Well, we'll just explain thisaway.
I don't know.
I mean, that just seems pretty.
I mean they apparently he diedinstantly.
So the argument is like well,if he died instantly, how could
he have inhaled any gas from theairbags?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, it wouldn't be that his lungs could build up
and say would have snapped thevertebrae, his neck would have
been broken or something, sometraumatic thing.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
The autopsy said he died immediately.
So killed on impact meanssomething.
So their argument they had thatargument also had an argument
he was a smoker.
He smoked some cigars before hewent out and like that can
affect your thing.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
but I said she man, just in your telling on it, I'm
I'm gonna say on re did not doit.
I don't think he wasresponsible.
I think he was driving.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I think he reacted Well I think the argument, the
conspiracy here with the carbonmonoxide is that there may have
argument the conspiracy herewith the carbon monoxide is that
there may have been a sabotageto the vehicle that would have
pumped carbon monoxide into thecar, causing the driver and
everyone inside to unknowinglylose consciousness, causing the

(42:33):
accident.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Oh, I see so be a chapter six of the report
Mercedes car possiblyinteresting.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I'm just saying I'm you know, I'm just saying I'm
not saying, but I'm sayingbecause someone had a kid at
some time.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Someone somewhere had a kid with someone.
What royal family didn't wantthem to have like I guess I'm
still unclear on the motivationfor why they wanted to kill her
just because they had somebodyhad a kid, who had a kid.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Well, you said like, or I guess the tiki thing maybe
it's the yeah, he well, I thinkit's the interview having too
much information.
They didn't want her, you know.
They also didn't want to haveher trouncing around all over
town with a egyptian muslim manI don't think that would have
been necessarily their choice ofa replacement for Charles.

(43:26):
There's also potential thatthere's also a rumor that they
were going to be engaged andthey were going to announce
their engagement the followingday.
Princess Diana and Dodi weregoing to be engaged the next day
, princess Diana and that Dodiwere going to be in case the
next day in.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Paris.
If you think the royal familyis responsible, do you really
think it was Charles?
How high up the chain ofcommand is going to land?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
It's the queen.
She's the one who told him toget divorced.
The queen did.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
She told him to get she also testing.
If that's true, hey, he'll betesting.
Hey, so you think this sweetlittle woman, yes on all.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I think, she's got a lot.
I think she had a lot ofskeletons in that closet and
Diana knew a couple of them.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
All I'm saying at the very even a bare minimum.
She's probably feeling like no,everyone loves me, and I think
Diana was maybe in the spotlight.
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
if we know Elizabeth is ready, cut out for the modern
I think, maybe, maybe there wassome motivation of, like
Charles, getting a new wife toreplace her.
So then, like you know, themore that he moves on and gets a
new wife, maybe the generalpublic would get more behind her
as opposed to Diana.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
I guess I'm curious to know.
I know like I would think, whydidn't they like rule Charles
out?
Then, I'm sorry, we're kind ofsegwaying like why wouldn't they
just be like dude, you're anembarrassment for the family,
like your wife is like okay, youguys aren't happy, but like
people love her, but like dude,we want to get rid of you.
Well, because he's the blood.
He's the blood, but there'sbeen under what was it?

(44:57):
King?
Have you ever seen the Kingspeech?
No, a movie with well, like theguy I guess it was, whoever was
after King George V I forget hisname, but the oldest, he was
like an alcoholic and heabdicated the throne, which
could have been its ownconspiracy.
They might've said you know, wedon't want you to be King,
you're done, you're going toabdicate it.
And then his younger brotherended up taking to became became

(45:19):
the king.
He was a care Forget, his nameis king.
During World War Two.
Though they could, I'msurprised they why didn't they
just make that like sounds likeCharles was actually causing
more of the problems thananything else?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I'm sure this guy is mommy room.
His mommy probably loved him tobecome the.
Harry, Harry's not even his,according.
To these conspiracy, not Harry.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Harry's, not even his , according to these conspiracy
way Now, because we are all is.
Isn't Charles brother, wasn'the?
Epstein wasn't Charles'sbrother.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Prince they could have.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Maybe they could have groomed him to be well.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
He was.
He was hanging out with JeffreyEpstein, so maybe he wasn't the
best choice either, so she ranout of options so he was
probably sitting there withAlbert.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Oh no, who was her husband?
Is it hal Albert, german guy?
No, albert was married toVictoria.
He was straight German.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
No, I'm just trying to think of who the prince was
that was hanging out with.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Epstein, it wasn't Edward, was it Philip Prince,
philip, philip, yeah, so he wasjust as much of a bozo from the
Queen's perspective.
I'm thinking she's probablythinking like he's what has it
got to take?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
We're going to kill Diana exactly, and the right of
the ship.
Let's get the.
Let's get the.
Let's get the.
Let's get the focus off of us.
Get this tragedy going on.
Oh, everyone feels bad for us.
We lost someone that we loveand then we'll be able to go
back to our normal nonsense.
There's a possible.

(46:44):
I could see their motivation.
I don't know.
Let's see what else is thereseems like such a wanker who.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Charles, charles, yeah, he's in the cozo even the
queen could be like dude, Ican't stand you like.
I'm going to side with your, mydaughter-in-law, on this one,
because she just seems likepeople love her.
But then maybe she was jealous,I don't know so let's see here
what another one here is.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Let's see, going back to the dirty fad relationship.
There's like she was pregnantor you know they were saying
that she might be pregnant orwhatever.
Apparently after, like theyembalmed her body super early
and they say Dodie's dad saysthat was to avoid the
possibility of anyone actuallyproving that she was pregnant.

(47:30):
The pregnancy was a big deal,big part of this conspiracy and
what they said is the hospital.
It was really hot that day andthe hospital had to keep her
body cold and it was so hot thatthe dry eyes and air
conditioning couldn't keep upwith it.
And Prince Charles and herfamily were coming to see her,
like to see her body before.
They like whatever and they'relike we can't let them see her

(47:53):
like this.
Let's embalm her now.
And they embalmed her likesuper early and people say that
that's a little fishy.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Do they have to make her look good?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah, for when the they're like oh, they can't see
her like this yeah how's shegoing to curtsy to them?

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Well, in this state, yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Hmm Interesting lane.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
That's that's all cover up, dude under French law,
though, paperwork must becompleted.
Yeah, we're undertaking theembalming of any corpse likely
to be subject to a forced mortemand they didn't follow that
maybe the French were gettingtheir cut, dude hey, come on,
I'm sure there was some heyBrits coming over here.
We hate each other.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Oh, you think the French were like rivals.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Oh, you think the French are responsible, but I
think they probably weren'tgoing to play nice either, maybe
.
Oh yes, they did always hatebringing your problems over here
, you know so there were.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
So there were 14 cameras between the hospital and
the crash site.
No footage of the crash wasever shown.
No like, there's no footage ofthe vehicle driving.
They say mostly this becausethe cameras were facing building
entrances.
But there was a traffic camera,like right at the bridge.
But apparently the departmentclosed at eleven pm and no like

(49:12):
they don't record the footagefrom the cameras, so like they
didn't have the footageconvenient.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
You know, the french are always look out for their
taxpayers.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I guess it was like they're necessary tax dollars.
I guess it was also like whatthey take off the whole month of
August too right they?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
certainly do.
That's for it.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
The city shuts down, so they're all coming back from
vacation is like.
I don't want to be here, I'mnot going to pay attention to
these cameras.
So here's the one.
That is crazy.
No one knows exactly whathappened inside the bridge I get
the inside this tunnel.
They don't know how they lostcontrol or what caused them to
lose control or anything likethat.

(49:53):
And there's evidence that therewas a white.
I don't know how they know itwas a Fiat, but they say that a
white Fiat had brushed upagainst the vehicle, leading to
them to lose control.
And there's a possibility thatit's owned by this guy,
journalist, john Paul James andDonson, and dancing some

(50:16):
journalist, right, and a lot ofpeople think, hey, maybe he was,
he was behind this, he was a,he was at my six operative, you
know this guy, jean Paul Jamesand Donsonson, right, their
defense for this not being thecase and him not being there,
it's not being his vehicle isbecause the car that he owned

(50:37):
was quote unquote, not road thefiat.
That because they he owned this,this specific fiat that they
were looking for.
I don't know if they had likevideo evidence like it brushed
them and kept driving.
So I don't know if they hadvideo evidence of this Fiat
leaving the tunnel and then theysaw paint marks on the, on the
Mercedes that had crashed,leading to them saying might
have been involved, butapparently the car was not

(51:01):
roadworthy because it was nineyears old and had two hundred
and two thousand miles on it.
Now I don't know about you, butI've known of pretty vehicles
way older and way more miles onit that could have at least
caused a car accident in atunnel in Paris.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I this this twenty seven thousand miles per and I
mean, this car is tiny dude.
So what fiat uno?
I would think also the mercedesthey were in looks pretty like
dense.
I feel like if you're going toget bumped by this, thing ain't
going to do.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
If you're going fast, though, it'll knock you.
It'll knock you off course likea go cart.
Well, am I six, I mean hey am.
I too.
Yeah, Well, they're not goingto send a nice car to do this.
So the thing that's interesting.
So okay, so they ruled him outand it wasn't him.
Blah, blah, blah.
But interestingly enough, Ithink, a couple years later he

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died from quote, unquote suicide.
He died in a burnt out BMW.
Apparently he had said he wasgoing to kill himself by pouring
gas in a car and lighting cigar.
I guess, I don't know, he wasdealing with his own issues, but
this is what kind of blows mymind and I don't know.
Hey, I'm no authority onautopsies or anatomy or anything

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like that, but apparently whenhe was found, his body was in
the driver's seat of the car,but his head was detached and
laid between the two front seatsand then there was a hole in
his left temple.
But they're saying that heburned to death and that's how
he died.
Apparently, the guy doing theautopsy was like oh yeah, that

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hole in this temple that wascaused by the fire, not a bullet
wound.
This temple that was caused bythe fire, not a bullet wound.
That's insane to me, right.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I think this is the biggest conspiracy is what is
the French investigator?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
services.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
That's the conspiracy .

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Well, I think they're just.
They're stuck like hey, we gotto cover this up, and like, hey,
you know, oh yeah that, oh yeah.
His head felt what if the wholeworld finds out we don't
actually?

Speaker 1 (53:10):
work the whole month of August to cover this up and
like, hey, you know, oh yeahthat.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Oh yeah, his head fell off.
What if the whole world findsout we don't actually work the
whole month of August?
No, I'm saying they were behindthe cover up.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
The French were yes.
So you think the queen paid theFrench?

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I think the French.
I'm thinking maybe the queenhad some dirt on the French.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Well, plenty of people up there on the French.
They'm thinking maybe the Queenhad some dirt on the French.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Well, plenty of people have dirt on the French.
They don't care.
So his body he burned alive ina BMW, but his head fell off it
landed in between the seats.
He had a hole in his temple,but they said that that was just
a melted.
A perfect hole in his temple.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
And they did a blood work and he had like a high
amount of light.
Oh, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Don't lick the pain.
That's not true, John.
That's not just so.
Just so our fans know that'snot a true part of the story.
There's another one,Interesting.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
This guy quote unquote died from suicide.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
It sounds to me like someone cut his head off.
No, someone shot him in thehead, cut his head off, put his
head between his body and thenlit the car on fire.
Definitely not the other wayaround that.
His car lit on fire, then hishead fell off.
Also, upgraded him from a FiatUno to a BMW, maybe making a

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statement.
The guy was penny pinching for along time, it seems and then,
just all of a sudden, then therewas another one bright flash.
Apparently there was a brightflash reported at the entrance
to the tunnel, which people saythat it was a strobe light that
tried to blind the driver beforethey walked in there.

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But that's pretty much.
It didn't really affect anybodyelse, so probably not an actual
thing, but it's a possibility.
There was also this MI6operative who spilled the beans.
I think he actually went tojail for spilling secrets from
the MI6, but anyway, one of thethings that he said was that the

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bright light thing was actuallya plan to kill a Serbian, some
other foreign national.
It's a plan that the MI6 had toassassinate Others was using
that bright flash to in a tunnel, exactly like he said that MI
six had that exact plan for somesome foreign, yeah, some far in

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the tunnel.
at the same time, not not thatparticular tunnel, but like
years before that was one oftheir ways that they were going
to try to assassinate.
Somebody like the mi six hadalready looked into that as an
option has been assassination,but apparently that wasn't true
or whatever.
But it's still funny to beinteresting.
You know, that'd be, that'd bean interesting way to do it.
So like they're saying thatthey had like strobe lights.

(56:02):
So like they, they got blindedand then lost control of the car
.
Right the seat belt one ispretty crazy too.
Apparently Diana was an avidseat belt wearer.
They say she wasn't wearing aseat belt in the car during the
accident, which made peopleraise their eyebrows like hey,

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she was an avid seat belt whereshe would have been wearing her
seat belt and could have maybesurvived this crash.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
She was not wearing her seatbelt.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Timing is interesting .
I mean, I was thinking about itlike was it maybe a way, you
know, was this whole thing aploy to get people to start
wearing their seatbelts?
Because if you think of, if youremember, like the whole
wearing of seatbelts, so thewhole wearing of seatbelt things
in America didn't really get,didn't really get off the ground
until like the early 2000sClick it or ticket, you know the

(56:53):
whole the phrase in Americathat started in 1993 in North
Carolina and then it reallystarted taking off in like 2000
to 2002.
So just the whole seatbeltawareness thing tying into this,
I could see it maybe having ayou know ulterior't tear mode of
being like, hey, you might wantto buckle up that seat, but you
know what happened to PrincessDiana and Dodi Fayed.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
She used to always wear it until that one time.
She until the one time.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, until until the one time yeah, and that's when
they get conspiracy.
And then the last thing that Ihad, the hospital transport that
people say.
They say that it took.
It took them a long time to getdiana out of the car into the,
into the ambulance and to thehospital.
They kind of delayed it.
This is one that.
So that's whatever it took.

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The emergency call was at 12 26.
They got there at 12 30.
She was out of the car at 1 am,got into the ambulance at one
eighteen am and then I think shegot to the hospital around
twenty six minute drive to thehospital.
So what's that?
She got to the hospital aroundlike quarter to two am, but the
ambulance, so the ambulancepassed by one.

(58:01):
They didn't go to the closesthospital, they like drove right
by the closest hospital, but andthat's you know that could be.
The other hospital that theywent to was more equipped for
trauma patients so August andAugust in France, and you know
probably was close but, dude,this is one.
So apparently the ambulance wasdriving slowly because the

(58:22):
doctor was concerned that Diane,about Diana's blood pressure
and the effects of accelerationand deceleration to the hospital
because that's the mostimportant thing.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I mean I I've never will stop because she's bleeding
to death.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Let's just not go too fast because I guess that you
know the stopping and going likegets the blood moving different
parts of the body, sure that'sthe French science, so I guess,
like you know, you do make agood point.
You know I was looking, I'vebeen looking at this whole thing
as like wow, the, the Englishcrown kind of had all these

(59:01):
things set up to get to cover upthe at what actually happened.
Or you know, all these thingshappen and all this cover up or
whatever.
But maybe what you're reallygetting at is the French's
incompetence to.
You know, keep their, keepeverything in line, yeah.

(59:23):
But if you think about it, allthese things are true, right.
If think about it, all thesethings are true, right.
If Henri Paul was not drunk andwas carbon monoxide poisoned,
if Diana was, if Diana waspregnant, if the camera footage
was lost for whatever reason, ifJohn Paul, james and Dawson was

(59:44):
murdered because of his whiteFiat, if the bright flash
happened in the tunnel, if Dianawas actually wearing a seat
belt and if they took a longtime to get her to the hospital
because of that, I mean that'sproof in the pudding that the
crown was behind it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
They did it, they did it.
They've got all the resource.
I just don't understand, I justdon't, I feel like the day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Have I sold you on it ?
Have I sold you on it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Why her like the?
Day was done, unless it wasjust a revenge killing.
It seems like it was maybe morerevenge clean even so, much
beyond like, oh, they're goingto have, even if they were
pregnant and they didn't want tolook bad.
It's like she was divorced withthe family at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
She was still part of the royal.
She was still princess.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I think by name.
That was just like you knowwhen you call an aunt or uncle,
you know, for just a term ofendearment for someone you're
not related to.
She was a princess to the world, but she was not legally a
member of the royal familyanymore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I just think it was so.
I just think it was so I justif they were responsible, it
would have been a revengekilling.
I feel like all the stuff inthe present would not have
mattered as much like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
You think maybe it was the French, that he and her.
Who do you think is a betterchance of being responsible for?
The French, the British crown,the paparazzi or the driver of
the vehicle, the drunk driving,carbon monoxide French driver

(01:01:24):
who was going like ninety milesan hour through a tunnel.
Do you think he might have beenthe one responsible for?
Or do you think it was theBritish crown or the French?

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I think the French were just being dopey.
I think they were just wrongplace.
The French probably had theirhand to their head, Like, oh no,
don't think they should havejust shut down the English
Channel tunnel on August 1st andnot dealt with it?
Not have to deal with it?
I don't know.
I just think she really musthave known something deeper than
what even the interview said.

(01:01:59):
Or infidelity in her marriage.
She must have become privy tosome.
What for her to have gotclassified information that that
if you were to learn, even inthis country, you would have to
kind of look where you watch outwhere you go and just be
careful.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
It'd be tasteless to do but it would be kind of funny
to do like a movie where you'vehad these stories, where
there's all these differentstorylines coming on and they
all merge together at one point.
It would be kind of funny if,in a comedic way, to make all
these things kind of come true,you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Like this guy with the white Fiat is taking his car
out for one last spin 202,000miles.
Everyone just crazy on carbonmonoxide All things, everything
happens, it's like flashinglights white Fiat guys, it would

(01:02:58):
be driving this guy driving awhite.
Fiat Sleepy Hollow style, withhis head in his lap it's just
like mine and then like there'ssomething going on with the
light flashing, that there'ssome like weird backstory behind
that, like some guys doing somestupid just construction work

(01:03:22):
just went awry.
Yeah, he was doing on July 31stand then he just put his tools
down and walked away and justwatching for another month.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Well, it's sad, it's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
She's.
No, it is sad.
I don't.
You don't want to joke aroundabout it because like and like
we're.
This is all.
This is all.
I don't want to.
I don't want to make our fansthink that we're actually
conspiracy theorists.
I just I'm sure that whathappened, what they say happened
, actually happened.
I want to make that clear.
I just think it's fun to kindof trash the British crown a
little bit and make and raise.

(01:03:59):
There is a little bit of likeoh wow, there were some
interesting circumstances aroundit.
That kind of makes itinteresting, but not saying that
that's the case.
I want to make that clear.
We're not a conspiracy theorypodcast.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
We're a history podcast which we just nailed
this.
We brought it right back.
We're back in business.
We left the bridge of spiesbehind and we moved down to the
tunnel of love.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
but yeah, like envisioning that little fiat car
so small and it was like noheader.
They're all hopped up on carbonmonoxide.

(01:04:50):
I was like it could have beenlike smoke.
They could have been likesmoking cigars, like in the in
the vehicle, to like PrincessDiana, like smoking a fat stogie
.
She could have.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
It is france here it's france of her dude.
They loved her.
Who her?
Who else?
Who other, who else do youthink matches her celebrity?

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
she was up there.
I mean, I was so young, I don'tknow.
Certainly none of the, none ofthe princesses now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Kate middleton definitely not be like look cool
, maybe from like a third justoutside, like maybe she did it
in a, maybe from like a thirdjust looking on the outside.
Maybe she did it.
In a way it's like there's thisyoung, attractive, beautiful
woman, representative of but youknow, there's no life in
paradise.
I think people appreciate it.
It was like, oh, like hermarriage is on the rocks too and
she's this beautiful princessand wow, like it.
Kind of just I think that aloneprobably just made her more,

(01:05:47):
even though she was nobilityherself from the beginning.
I think it was just like, oh,wow, she seems still pretty real
.
Yeah, there's like pictures ofher, videos of her, like going
to the gym wearing, like youknow nineties, like gym gear.
I think like she just presentedan image to people that was a
little more approachableapproachable, reach out and
touch her although she onlypainted billionaires.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Well, she's gonna have that taste now, if she
wanted, if she dated somebodylike me, I may be on your side
about that pack of me, so youtake around a little fiat uno
trade up or trade down?
And if they'd be trade up ortrade?
Down boy no, yeah, two thousandmonths I think for me March is
good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
It doesn't go beyond.
She was just too cool for toocool for that school.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
She definitely probably didn't fit it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Yeah, like too good looking, I think she's too good
looking for all of them.
Yes, queen Elizabeth wasn'tugly when she was a young woman?
She, you know, she was a nicelooking old lady too, but like
what?
When she was a young woman?
She, you know, she was a nicelooking old lady too, but like
what, ew dude?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
You're gross dude.
No, she just looked like agrandma.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
She just looked like a normal Ew 90 year old lady.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Okay, monster man.
No, lady, she was hot, you justknow, as a young woman she was
a track, she was fine but Idon't know if I ever saw her as
a young woman.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
She's on the money.
She's on some of my money I'vehad to spend in my days.
Um no, I just diana, was justout of all of their league.
That's a good point, actually,she's just like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
But yeah, it's a shame what happened.
She's so young, you know, youknow our age?

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I think she was our age.
I'm like that's crazy, yeah,and all that she had to deal
with up until then.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
All right, fan, I hope you enjoyed.
You know getting into thenitty-gritty of some
conspiracies surrounding thehigher ranks of the British
crown.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I will say that a fox ran out into the road and our
boy, henri, swerved, did hisbest he could.
You think that's what happened.
That's what I'm sticking with.
Is that All the facts?

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Is that?
What I'm saying Is that you'rejust making that up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Yeah, but that's what I'm going to go with.
That's what's going to help mesleep at night.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Now, what do you think of all of the conspiracies
that I talked about?
What would you say is the mostbelievable?

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Or certainly not that a Fiat Uno can get two hundred
and two thousand miles.
Really, yeah, I'm skeptical inthat one, or what's the most
like, maybe not what's mostbelievable.
What's the most?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
skeptical in that one , or what's the most like, maybe
not what's most believable,what's the most skeptical piece
of evidence or what's the mostlike makes you, makes you the
most spec, the most questioning?
Yeah, but how could that be?
Yeah, like how, which one kindof throws off the.
It sounds like there's a littlebit more something going on of

(01:08:47):
all of all that I talked about.
See, yeah, I mean, because ifyou do, I mean, if you do your
seat, that's a good point,because if you wear like I can't
not wear a seat belt in a car-I wear it all the time it's
automatic.
I would not.
I wouldn't feel comfortablelike I've.
Very rarely, you know, becauseI work in construction.

(01:09:08):
So I'm getting in and out of mytruck and even if I'm going
from like one part of the site,the other, I just throw it on.
Sometimes I won't, and itobviously beeps at me when you
go over a certain speed.
But even when I'm going slowerit just doesn't feel right.
So for her not to have beenwearing the seat belt, for me
it's the head falling off of theguy who burned alive.

(01:09:28):
That makes no sense to me.
So there's something more goingon with that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
The same fixer in both examples.
I mean, the guy came in afterthe crash, unclipped her
seatbelt and then ran and thenwent to the fiat guy's house
with the aunt on to since housethe carbon monoxide thing is
kind of interesting to.
I don't know enough about I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
I mean you could definitely pipe consume.
Yeah, you could definitely pipecarbon monoxide into a oh, it
happened with trucks.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Yeah, I know it's with.
Certainly you can do that.
So these did that's the nazisdid before the camps yeah, the
mobile, the mobile gas chambers,basically so, yeah, camps, yeah
the mobile, the mobile gaschambers, basically.
So, oh, someone had a breaklike fit with the lines in the
car.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I'm not a mechanic, though but at the end of the day
, there was a high speed.
There was a high speed.
Paparazzi was chasing them,some white fiat brushed the side
of them and they lost controland hit a hit a column.
John, do you want to?
Do you want to sing?
Do you want to sing?
Candle in the wind.
Real quick, a little piece ofcandle in the wind for the fans

(01:10:41):
to send off sure which versionthe princess Diana version.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Which version?
The Princess Diana version.
Okay, do you have it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Yeah, where are we starting From the top?
Yeah, we'll start from the top.
Okay, ready, three, two, one.
Goodbye England, rose.
No, you're writing the wrongone.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Just put in 097 lyrics.
Alright, okay, 3, 2 1.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Goodbye, england's rose.
May you ever grow in our hearts.
You were the grace that placeditself where lies were torn
apart you called out to ourcountry and you whisper to those

(01:11:52):
in pain.
Now you belong to heaven andthe stars spell out your name.
And it seems to me you livedyour life like a candle in the

(01:12:15):
wind, never fading with thesunset when the rain set in, and
your footsteps will always fallhere, among England's greenest

(01:12:37):
hills your candle burned outlong before your legend ever
will Alright that's probablygoodbye, princess.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Formerly your royal highness.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Yes, alright, fans.
Hope you enjoyed it.
John, you got anything to leavehim with, or?
Yes, stay curious for what ournext episode will be yes and
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Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Matt and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
John signing off.
Have a good weekend, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
See you guys and we say bye, bye.