October 31, 2024 • 63 mins
Does Christopher Columbus have a secret Spanish Jewish identity? Join us for a thought-provoking discussion as we challenge a long-held belief about Columbus's heritage and delve into the historical context of Sephardic Jews in 1492 Spain. We unpack the cultural and historical significance of Columbus Day, juxtaposing it with Indigenous Peoples' Day and questioning who truly deserves celebration. Along the way, we humorously consider other Italian-American icons like Joe DiMaggio and Frank Sinatra as alternative representatives of Italian-American pride.
As we embrace the spooky season, fan favorite Emily M. joins us to spice things up with a lively chat about Halloween costumes inspired by historical figures. Will you dress up as Princess Diana or perhaps take a cue from Sidney Simpson's dance recital? Our exchange is filled with laughs and nostalgia as we reminisce about past costume choices and the awkward transition from childhood to adult Halloween celebrations. Emily's playful energy and insightful feedback remind us of the importance of including more women in our historical narratives.
And, in a delightful twist, we engage in light-hearted banter with our fans, exploring the curious world of Koshusko mustard and sharing our costume mishaps from college days. With a nod to the humorous side of history, we wrap up by encouraging thoughtful costume selections and sharing laughs over the idea of adults trick-or-treating amidst today's doorbell cameras. Tune in for camaraderie, historical insights, and maybe even some Halloween costume inspiration!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
And welcome back to another episode of nailing
history.
I'm your host, one of the hosts, matt.
I'm here with john, the otherhost of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
How's it going, john?
Going good, it's getting spookyaround here, a little spooky.
It's a little bit darker, alittle bit early.
I'm counting down the minutes,the hours, the daylight savings
time.
Are they doing that this yearinto it?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I thought that I thought that got like canceled
of daylight saving.
No, definitely not.
Where'd you?
Hear that um the sunshineprotection act, which would make
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daylight savings time permanent, stalled in the house of
representatives in 2022 and hasnot been brought to the floor
for a vote in 2023.
With the current Congressending in January 2025, it's
unlikely to pass.
Before that, the sunshineprotection act might cancel or
might make daylight savingpermanent, which what would that
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mean?
We're going into it right, arewe?
No, I think the summer'sdaylight saving, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
daylight savings time 2024.
Oh, you're right.
Yeah, march until november isdaylight savings so we wouldn't
be going back.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, I'll tell you what.
Thank god, thank goodness, weare, because I haven't changed
my clocks back in my car from uh, the last time, from spring, so
I'm still an hour behind onthere.
So it's all going to right theship in a couple, in a week,
here, I guess so is it safe tosay that you would vote down the
protect the sun act?
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sunshine act yes, I've seen itwell, speaking of historical
things, john, I've I guess wegot to circle back to, we've ran
into you got a little bit ofsome bad news as far as your um
family's culture um a coupleweeks ago, and I know we're a
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little late to bring it up onthe podcast, but do you know
what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I have an inkling.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
There's a bit of shocking revelation that was
released through, possibly, theBBC, not really sure the source
but turns out your boy,christopher Columbus, may not
have been Italian after all, allthis time been claimed by the
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Italian citizens of this countrythat they were the ones who
were responsible for foundingthe country.
They were the ones who wereresponsible for founding the
country, and it all got rippedaway from them in the year 2024,
when news finally broke that hemost likely was of Spanish
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Jewish heritage a SephardicJewish right.
I don't know.
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
it's a certain sect of judaism that were based
primarily in spain until theyall got kicked out in 1492 seems
like it adds up the same yearhe came over.
It seems like it adds up almostlike he was like hey, yeah,
I'll work for you, ferdinandisabella, sure I'll go find
China for you.
Sure, I'll go back door, I'llfind our way, I'll find it, sure
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.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean, it just makes me really wonder what.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I was going to say, then all of his other people.
I guess you know if the factsare the facts, if he really, if
he was Jewish himself maybe hewas just getting out of Dodge.
He saw the writing on the wall.
I think they're all booted outto Greece.
I think the Spanish king andqueen booted them all to Greece
well it's weird the wholesituation.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Who claims Christopher Columbus is like
kind of a weird like who doesn'tclaim it?
seems like.
It seems like it's just strange, because it seems like, um,
like in the late 1800s therewere all these immigrants in
america and they were all beingpersecuted or all wanting to be
like the dominant immigrantgroup of the united states and
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they were kind of using that.
They were that that christophercolumbus was like part of their
.
They were the reason that itwas founded to make them be the
most prominent immigrant group.
It seemed to be like kind ofthe case back then and the
Italians kind of won out.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Kind of weird.
It's just people, a proudheritage, and I mean, you know
he's the Western, he's theWestern European that founded,
you know, the Western Hemisphere.
I just think it's a claim thatpeople want to.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well, I don't know about that.
We have a loyal listener whowanted me to make sure I brought
up that Leif Erikson beat himby like 400 years or something
like that.
That's true.
So he didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I didn't know the Vikings were hanging around, so
he didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
The Vikings were hanging around.
So he didn't.
He also only hung out in theCaribbean.
I mean, I just don't get it.
Leif Erikson is a cooler name.
So we talk about TadousKishchusko and how he wasn't as
prominent because of his name.
I mean, Christopher Columbus,you have the alliteration, but
like Leif, that's a sweet name.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Leif Garrett yeah, pretty sweet.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Sure, but I mean I read something.
It was funny.
I was looking into it.
I was just kind of looking intothe facts of Columbus and there
was this one quote that waslike kind of like, why do
Italians pick him or claim him,or whatever?
He set sail under the Spanishflag, using Spanish ships, using
Spanish money and claiming landfor Spain.
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Are we noticing a pattern here?
Spain, Spanish.
Do you notice which country ismissing here?
Italy or any other country thatis not Spain.
Regardless, Italians have laidclaim on Columbus, celebrating
him after they denied him.
Talk about jumping on thebandwagon.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
If we want to really split hairs.
I think he wasn't Italian.
He would have been Genovese atthe most, because Italy was not
a unified state until the 1860s.
That's a whole other point.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's a whole great point.
It seems like it was theItalian immigrants really
pushing for it, which is fine.
I'm not saying anything, itdoesn't matter, right?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, but it's actually strange because I think
even probably back in Italy,maybe the grandchildren or the
great-grandchildren of thatfirst generation of immigrants,
because a lot of them came fromsouthern italy, which, before
the unification of italy,southern italy was its own
kingdom and it in genoa.
They're like two differentcountries, they were totally
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different, and so I don't eventhink that one people that came
over here even knew probablythat much about him.
I would say he probably wasn'ttaught in classes in Italy at
that time.
Yeah, I just think people,italian-americans, it's kind of
become its own subculture and Ithink it's just a good way to.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I mean it's cool, I get it.
It reminds me of people inPhiladelphia kind of claim like,
oh, the country was born hereor you know, freedom was born in
philadelphia.
It's kind of a cool thing tofeather, to feather, to put in
your cap.
If I could quote one emperornorton from a couple episodes
ago um, so, I get it, but that,but like it, just, you know,
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it's funny.
Well, to me there's all thiscontroversy now surrounding the
columbus day, and do wecelebrate it, the Columbus Day?
And do we celebrate it asColumbus Day?
Do we celebrate it asIndigenous Persons Day?
And I just don't really.
First of all, let me be clearwith you.
This is one of the holidaysthat I feel like I could do
without.
Just in general, I think wehave too many holidays in this
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country.
It's a banker's holiday, as Ilike to call them, where some
people have off, some peopledon't.
I don.
It's a banker's holiday, as Ilike to call them, where some
people have off, some peopledon't.
It doesn't really make muchsense I didn't have off Stock
market's closed, I believe onColumbus Day.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I want to say it is.
I work for an Italian companynow and we didn't get the day
off, so obviously they don'tlove him that much.
What?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
did they think about him?
Well, now they really must be.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Their heads must be spinning well yeah, it's been
swept under the rug, has it beenlike?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
there been like a somber mood in the office kind
of about the whole situation,because first they were calling
him like a genocide maniac, andnow they're even.
Not only are they doing that,but then they're ripping his
legacy out of the because Ithink you were very proud of.
Weren't there?
Isn't there like somewhat of asaying for an italian culture
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saying we found it, we fed we.
What is it?
What is it?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
we discovered it, we named it, we built it the
italian sons and daughters ofamerica.
From an article in 2021, oh boy.
Well, nine words are all ittakes to capture italian's
indelible contributions toamerica I'd be a little piffed
if I were the uh spanish well,the spanish, I don't think, had
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a very big diaspora 200 years,300, 400 years after the man
made this voyage.
So, you know, as I say, ifyou're not, I think, if you're
not, you got to be in the gameto.
You know, to call the shots andI don't think enough.
Spanish came over here, well,in the 1800s.
Well, well.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So then I was thinking I it was.
I'm kind of thinking like, well, why do we celebrate Columbus
Day?
What's the big deal?
I mean, he didn't land inAmerica, he wasn't looking for
America, he didn't know he foundAmerica.
Guy was kind of like.
I mean he just like, did heever learn it by the time he
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died?
Did he know that he discoveredanother country or did he think
he was walking around India?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
So what are we?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
celebrating here, what are we celebrating here?
This is nonsense.
So anyway, I'm trying to get tothe bottom of it.
Thinking about it a coupleweeks ago, this is coming in.
I'm just like this is justweird.
And then I found out that theholiday was actually started to
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like to support italian, likeitalian immigrants from
prosecution and as a as anapology for a big lynching that
happened down in New Orleans in1892.
So, 400 years after Columbussailed the ocean blue, united
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States President BenjaminHarrison instituted Columbus Day
as a one-time holiday tocelebrate Italian-American
contributions to society, partlyas an apology following the
lynching of 11 Italianimmigrants in New Orleans.
Then, decades later, in 1934,president Franklin Delano
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Roosevelt rendered Columbus Daya federal holiday.
There you go, nothing likespending the federal money.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And again, those immigrants that were down in New
Orleans were Sicilians, almostexclusively Sicilians at that
point, and I guess maybeBenjamin Harrison showing his
ignorance of geography.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, it seems like the Italians in general were
behind it, so why not just geton their side?
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But Northern Italians , if you just look at the
immigration waves NorthernItalians, including Genoa, where
Columbus would have been from,or where he represented, he was
Spanish.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Face the facts.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
If he was Italian, he was Northern Italian, he wasn't
even Southern Italian.
They still look down their noseat the South.
But the South?
Maybe they're not so smart, Idon't know.
But a better question who'sAmerica named after Another
Italian Great America, vespucci?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So what about him?
I don't know what about him.
Why don't we celebrate AmericaDay?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Maybe we should be celebrating America Vespucci
instead.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I think we should be celebrating Leif Erikson that
name's awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's a good name.
That was like Erikson.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I know he landed in like New Finland or whatever.
So yeah, I guess it wouldn't bethat.
But Columbus landed in theCaribbean.
I don't understand it.
It makes no sense.
He didn't even land on mainland, did he?
Did he ever come up to themainland, to the continental
United States?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It really chaps, my, there's been all this fighting
about if we should celebrateChristopher Columbus, blah, blah
, blah.
I feel like maybe somebodyshould just come out and say
listen, the whole holiday isjust for Italian-American
heritage appreciation, so whydon't we just call it for what
it is?
Why name it something that'ssuper controversial, when that's
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not even really the basis ofthe holiday?
I don't know.
And how come no one talks aboutthis man I'm bringing up?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You're saying that Columbus Day they should come
back to just the fact that it isan Italian-American holiday and
that's why it was created inthe first place, rather than for
all Americans has anybody saidthat ever.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Have you ever heard that before?
There's all this argument aboutlike why do we celebrate
Christmas or Columbus?
He was a bad person who youknow enslaved people and blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
Right, but it's like.
Maybe the real thing is likewhy do we even celebrate it?
We celebrate it to toacknowledge the Italian, the
Italian Americans, contributionto society, which is but then
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that doesn't hold, I guess thatdoesn't hold enough weight to
allow the bankers and thegovernment to be off on a Monday
in October.
So once you start talking aboutthat, everyone's going to be
like, well then, why do we haveoff?
And then they're going to say,oh shoot, we got to be quiet
about it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So maybe there's a little conspiracy there about
people who just don't want towork.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, so maybe there's a little conspiracy
there about people who justdon't want to work.
Yeah, I mean, in reality, ifyou knew that it was just to
celebrate italian americanheritage I mean we have a
million days like that, but yeah, you know, I thought that was
uh.
Oh, that was just kind ofinteresting to talk about.
I know john was a little upsetabout it when he when he learned
about that.
But leave, erickson is prettycool.
Like his name, his last name isbecause his, he was the son of
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eric the great, I think, or ericthe something, and that's cool.
Like when people's names usedto be like who your dad, your
last name was like the son ofwhoever you were.
So, like my dad's name is tim,so my, my name would be Matt
Timson.
That's a cool name, because itdoesn't work Timothy Son Timson.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Matt Timson.
That'd be interesting, it couldbe cool, it would be mine.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
What was your dad's?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
name.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
John Peter, john Peterson.
Oh, there you go.
Lame like I think you maybelike related to Scott I don't
know.
Maybe Peterson of murder famewas he's Peterson, or Peter men,
scott Peterson and LaceyPeterson.
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Yeah, maybe his dad's name isPeter.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
It's possible, but I don't care that much about
Christopher Columbus Day.
I guess growing up it was funthat we had the day off too.
I don't think we did.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I don't think we did, did we Also?
You know what else I learned?
The Nina, the Pinta and theSanta Maria weren't the actual
names of the ships that theysailed on.
Well, the Santa Maria wasactually the name, but the Pinta
is like Spanish for prostitute.
That's what the sailorsnicknamed it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
And it just stuck.
Yeah, you know those sailors,dirty old men.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It's just that stuck.
It's just funny to me.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, no, I think there's other people that are
probably more even in the age ofdiscovery, that are probably
were more worth celebrating,like ferdinand, magellan dude,
like circumnavigated the world.
I just think there's even froman explorer standpoint, there's
probably like more.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
No, yeah, it's cooler yeah, I mean, I guess whatever
if you gotta get a federalholiday, but I don't know,
whatever.
I mean he landed well, whatever.
Christopher Columbus, we speakthy name, although it might not
have actually been his real namewhat was it?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Christopher Weisenstein?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Christopher Schwartz.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Christopher Green, christopher Schwartz.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Christopher Green.
Oh man, no, it was eitherCristoforo Colombo, cristobal
Colon Cologne, even X-P-O-U-A-L.
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De Cologne, however youpronounce that X-P-O-U-A-L.
I don't know.
I don't know, but anyway, justwanted to get that out there
because I was just doing somethinking and I'm like, whatever
I mean, it doesn't really matter, but there is some.
I just think they should comeout and just call it what it is
and say what we're actuallycelebrating when we talk about.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Christopher Columbus.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's an Italian-American holiday.
It was literally never meant tocelebrate the man Christopher
Columbus never meant tocelebrate the man Christopher
Columbus.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It was to give a nod to the Italian Americans who
felt threatened and attacked.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
They should just call it an Italian American Day, or
something cooler than that.
Who would have been a betterfigure to use for to celebrate
Italian citizenship?
I guess that's pretty much allthat.
It would be Joe DiMaggio figureto use for to celebrate Italian
citizenship.
I guess that's pretty much allthat it would be.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Joe DiMaggio at least he is American.
Like he played an American game, a sport is Joe DiMaggio day.
Like Italian Americans can beproud that they got a day and
he's a great baseball playerthat, like, everyone loved and
everyone like knows, didn't helike beat up Marilyn Monroe, did
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he?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So not everybody loves him are you sure nothing
of Jake Lamotta.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I don't think so, anybody else.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Frank Sinatra was also abusive, I believe, but
people do love him good, callfrank sinatra day, that's not
bad.
What about garibaldi day?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
giuseppe, I mean didn't.
He was in america at one point.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
He was kind of like, isn't garibaldi kind of like the
guy who's like the foundingfather of modern day italy?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
oh, he was part of the unification, for sure he was
a bit of a rock star in histime but it'd be like a george
washington, like it'd be likebefore the unification he was up
in Staten Island for a fewmonths.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I think that would be a good answer.
I would say Just change it toGary Baldy Day.
Is there anything negativeabout him?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
he was kind of a dictator.
He kind of was a little out forhimself, aren't they all?
Then he kind of tried to act alittle bit like Washington and
kind of giving up power.
But his biggest thing was justunifying Italy and he didn't
really care how he did it or howwho was unifying it.
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He kind of sold himself outLike he was, or or maybe a
republican, but then he realizedthat wasn't going anywhere.
So he joined the monarchy.
All right north, becausenailing history solved.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
it changed columbus day to garibaldi day case closed
proof in the pudding.
You can go and tell that.
So anyway, it's Halloween.
This episode is going to getreleased on Halloween, so I
wanted to just talk aboutHalloween a little bit, get back
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to some of the questions thatwe had.
Let me get to this.
We had some fans A couple ofweeks ago.
If you guys remember, I did anepisode on Emperor Norton and
the basis for talking about himwas that I thought he would
maybe be a good Halloweencostume to be.
If you wanted to impress somepeople at work or at school or
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anything to our fans, if youcould dress up as anybody in the
Nailing History universe, asfar as where we like people that
we've talked to like, who wouldyou want to dress up as?
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And we got two responses.
First response I'll just readthem out loud.
First response I'll just readthem out loud.
First response was I'd probablydress up like Sidney Simpson in
a dance recital costume, orPrincess Diana what other women
have you talked about?
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So that was a good.
So that was a good.
Sidney Simpson, if you remember,is the daughter of OJ Simpson
and the night of the allegedmurder of Nicole Brown Simpson.
Sidney Simpson was performingin a dance recital, correct?
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Yes, that's correct.
So that's where that comes from.
That was good, it's a good one.
Princess Diana would be good.
Another one would be prettygood would be the fiat, the
white fiat.
That would be a good costume.
You see the car with the head.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, just like the guy.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah whatever that guy's name who, like his head,
fell off, like have some guy ina Fiat burned alive with his
head full, that'd be a goodcostume.
That'd be a good costume.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
What outfit would you be if you were wearing Princess
Di?
If you were dressed as Paris, Imean, she had a lot of looks.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I don't know.
Let's see.
I think I might have known whothis was.
So let's see if we can get thisperson on the call, because we
do have a little bit more totalk about here.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I want to see if Yo what's up.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Hey, Emily M.
This is Matt and John withNailing History.
We have you on the podcast here.
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Hey, it's going good.
I'm on my way to my hip hopclass.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh yeah, okay, good, well, this is actually perfect
timing.
Okay, we are going through ourfan mail.
We're talking a little bitabout Halloween, we're recording
our Halloween episode here andwe got some fan mail that I
think may have been from you.
I'd probably dress up like,when asked who you would dress
up as in the Nailing Historyuniverse, I'd probably dress up
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like Sidney Simpson in adantricidal costume or Princess
Diana.
So we wondered how SidneySimpson is a good answer.
We kind of got to that.
But we were just kind ofwondering if you were to dress
as Princess Diana, how would youdress as her?
Would you wear the revengedress, as they call it?
What's that?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm trying to think.
I think I know one of her like.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Would you dress up as the Princess Diana?
Beanie Baby.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Oh, or would you dress up like the Princess Diana
?
Beanie Baby.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, I do own that, so that would be helpful.
No, I think I'd dress in one ofher like iconic 90s fashion,
like leisure fashion.
She's like an iconic sweatshirt.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Like a Disney sweatshirt, didn't she meet?
I think it said the Eagles onit.
Oh the Eagles, there you go,the Eagles sweatshirt when she
came to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, maybe something like that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Good answer.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
High top sneakers and crunchy socks.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
That would be pretty good.
That'd be a good costume.
That'd be a good costume.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You left off the last part of my fan mail.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I was going to get to that.
I didn't know if you had time,but we can touch that a little
bit.
Her last part, which I did talkabout on the podcast, was what
other women have you talkedabout?
I don't know what you werenecessarily trying to get at as
in, we don't talk about womenenough on the podcast, or were
you just asking?
Well, I just meant that?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, I mean, I think you talk about history from
very long ago, so then there'snot really very many women
included.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Well, we talked about Helen Keller being a communist.
Maybe being a communist.
If you remember our realoriginal long-time listeners may
remember we did an entireepisode dedicated to the women
of the American Revolution.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh, did they get cards?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
We assigned them queens.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
That was Abigail Adams.
I have my Abigail Adams,deborah Sampson, molly Pitcher
and the fourth one is Mercy OtisWarren and Mercy Otis Warren
and Mercy Otis Warren.
There were four other womenthat we talked about the history
of the American Revolution.
But you do make a good point.
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But just for anyone, those areall very good costumes to do,
but I do like your PrincessDiana in the Philadelphia Eagles
Philadelphia Eagles sweatshirt.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, as a long-awaited dance class.
I'm dressed up like a black cat, which.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I guess kind of goes with the sale.
Oh shoot, it's a shame youdidn't dress up like Princess
Diana, that would have been good.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I know I don't have that sweatshirt.
Maybe they have it at John'sSupply in downtown Westchester.
Just really saw this retrothing.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Well, you have a couple more days to prepare.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Okay, well, thanks for checking in.
I appreciate the personalresponse to my fan mail.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You know that's what we'll do.
That's what we promise with ourfan mail.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I hope now your listenersand fans will send you more fan
mail so they can hear thepersonalized response they'll
get.
Yeah, that was the planresponsible guests.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, that was the plan, good, all right.
All right, emily M, we'll enjoyyour dance recital or dance
class, unless you're dressedlike Sidney Brown right now,
sidney.
Simpson, sidney Simpson.
What did I say?
Sidney Brown, sydney Simpson.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Sydney Simpson, sydney Brown, sydney Simpson.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I don't know, is she dressed up with cat ears?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
that's what I have on my head right now I'm not sure
you're the pro.
You're the OJ Simpson expertthat's true.
I don't think she was wearing ablack hat costume, so it's true
well, you know what, bring itup in class and see what they
think.
Hey, when you're practicingyour dance or something, be like
hey, what do you guys thinkSidney Simpson wore the night
that her dad killed his mom Hermom.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I'm sure that'll come up organically.
I'll wiggle it in there.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, just thinking, isn't that funny yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Just thinking about it.
I'm trying to get a Halloweencostume.
I like it.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I'll do it All, right , emily M.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Well, enjoy your class.
All right, thanks See ya.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Have fun See ya, see ya, emily M.
Thanks Bye.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It leads me to my next point Thinking about it be
a little tough to do Cindy BrownSimpson, considering it might
involve a little bit ofblackface with the Halloween
costume.
And then I was thinking aboutthis this morning going through
like old or Halloween.
I'm not a huge fan of Halloween, which I kind of alluded to in
my when we talked about EmperorNorton.
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I just don't like Halloween.
I was never good at thinking ofcostumes and I there's so much
pressure to be clever or funnyand I'm not really either of
those when it comes to costumesor anything like that.
And I was just thinking therewere two separate instances in
my Halloween costume era where Iwould bring up Halloween
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costumes where I did doblackface so like hopefully pre
2012.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yes, I'd be fine, probably get away with it well,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
So the first instance of it was in 2000, and I don't
know what year it was.
I was probably in like 5th or6th grade, so probably like
early 2000s, 2000, 2001.
And I went as Jamaican.
I wanted to be like a Jamaican,like a Rastafari guy I don't
know who had it but I hadalready had the weird hat with
(30:43):
the dreadlocks sewn into it Notthe weird hat, but the funny hat
with the dreadlocks.
So I was like, oh, I'll be easy.
And so I went with my dad tothe mall and I bought a tie-dye
t-shirt and I was going to atie-dyed t-shirt, jeans, and
like, have that on and just bejamaican.
Um, and I remember my dad.
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I was like my dad went out toget me like the makeup to wear
for being jamaican, like the,the color to paint my skin, and
he came back with some really,really dark paint.
And I remember thinking andkind of not freaking out, but
just being like they're notJamaicans aren't that dark,
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which is not true at all.
I'm like Jamaicans are more tan, they're not dark.
I had no idea of what I wasbeing.
I had no idea of the Jamaicanculture.
It's probably the only thingyou thought you were being
Hispanic?
Well, probably the only thing.
You thought you were beingHispanic?
Well, probably the only thing.
The Jamaicans are more the onlything.
Bob Marley is a lighter-skinnedJamaican, but I think he's like
(31:46):
, I think he's only partJamaican.
I'm not really sure.
Don't quote me on that, I mean.
So my only picture of a Jamaicanwas Bob Marley, so I'm like Bob
Marley's, not that.
My dad bought me dark brown, sothen I was going to a party
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with that costume and I freakedout and finally he went out and
we got a lighter brown.
So it was probably a little bitless offensive, but then a
little bit more of an issue incollege, freshman year of
college, and again I'm notclever, so I've ripped this idea
(32:30):
off of somebody else that Iknow, family member maybe.
I don't want to dime anybodyout, but when he was a couple
years older than me and when hewas in college I saw a couple
pictures of him.
He went, as a slang term forbeing intoxicated, s-faced.
(32:50):
Do you know where I'm gettingat, john?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, s-faced.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
So all he did was painted his face brown and
walked around and was like, oh,I'm S-faced and I thought that
was funny.
So my freshman year which wouldhave been 2006, I did the same
thing and I walked around withreally dark, brown face,
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basically black face.
There's no way around it.
If you saw a picture of this,there's no way.
I don't know if the pictureexists.
I'm sure pictures exist.
It was on Facebook at one point.
I don't have Facebook anymore,but people who had pictures of
me I know I was on Facebook withthat, but I did To make it
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clear that I wasn't going asblackface.
I did write S-faced on a whitet-shirt in black marker so that
people would know that that'swhat.
So I was at least consciousthat I was probably doing
something that I shouldn't havebeen doing, but I did it anyway
and really it's kind of bad tothink about.
But that's a perfect situationof where, if somebody saw that
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and it was out of context if forsome reason in the future this
podcast hits big and I'm justsaying this out loud, so at
least I'm covering for myselfahead of time If somebody was to
see me like that, that wouldlook bad and I don't know if
it's necessarily a bit now.
Was it bad?
I was being not blackface, butit looks like it, the real gray
(34:24):
area.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Well, I think you're a little more.
You're probably a little more,uh, sensitive to the fact, just
by putting that on your chest,like by writing, that then
justin trudeau was, and he'sstill, the prime minister of.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Canada.
That's true.
I think someone gave me somereal like dude, you look like
you're doing blackface.
Like it was a fit like blackfit.
Like when I did the Jamaicanthing when we were younger like
I don't even know if there wasany conscious, especially at our
age there was no blackfacebeing a thing, so like there was
no thought of it.
But by the time we were 18,2006, I mean I know people were
(34:59):
like dude, you look like you're.
I walked around town like thatfor twice.
I think I did it.
I think I did it for twoseparate nights.
Good thing, hey, I could havegotten my.
I could have gotten beat uppretty bad on that one, but I
didn't, so that was good.
I don't know what's yourfavorite Halloween costume?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I was similar.
I mean, I never really couldcome up with anything too good.
I dressed like Pinocchio once,but I actually don't know if
that was for Halloween.
I was going to a tea-themedparty and I had to dress to
someone beginning with theletter P.
I bought a pair of really tightred pants in the women's
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section.
They were skin tight Redsuspenders, a little long nose
thing.
It wasn't over the topexcessive long Pinocchio nose,
but you can kind of tell what Iwas going for the hat and then a
yellow polo.
How old were you?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
then I was pretty good 25, six Okay.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
What about when you were a kid?
How, how late, how long do youremember, Like when you stopped
going trick or treating?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
like how old you were .
I don't know, maybe like 12.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
So each year, right, you just wanted to stay out
later.
You kind of didn't want to goat like six when all the kids
were out.
You kind of you wanted to useit as an excuse to like hang
around town at night like schoolnight and uh, yeah.
But I think eventually I justkind of grew out of it.
Yeah, do you remember what yourlast do?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
you remember what your last Halloween costume was.
I feel like your last Halloweencostume is either going to be
like the worst one put togetherthat was barely a costume or
it's going to be like a prettyfunny, like most relatable thing
now, because when you're 12 or13, like what you dressed up as.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I know I was the Riddler one year from Batman
forever but I don't think thatwas my last Halloween.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
That's pretty good, like purchased costume or yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Purchase costume with the cane and everything that's
cool.
That's cool.
Um, what else?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You ever do Christopher Columbus?
That would have been good.
No, nice little Italian boy.
Dress it up, do ChristopherColumbus?
That would have been good.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
no, nice little Italian boy dress it up like I
think my mom knew even back thenshe knew something was up with
him.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
My last costume was my last costume was in that I
went trick-or-treating in wasFred Durst.
It's awesome, I was pumpedabout that.
I remember the-or-treating inwas Fred Durst it's awesome, I
was pumped about that.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
You had the red hat, I had the red Yankees hat?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, I had the red Yankees hat and I painted on a
little like chin goatee orwhatever he had and I just it
was one of those things where,like I didn't have anything, got
invited trick-or-treating lastminute.
I already had the red Yankeeshat because I was such a big
Limp Bizkit fan, so I alreadyhad the hat.
So did you have the pants?
(38:18):
I think.
I just wore.
I think I just wore khakisprobably had vans already and
then I had like a snowboardingjacket that I never snowboarded
but I had like a baggysnowboarding jacket that I use
like it was like I was trying tobe like Fred Durst in the
nookie music video and that was.
That was the last time, so thatwould have been probably sixth
(38:40):
or seventh grade.
Probably seventh grade would bemy guess that we thought I went
trick or treating.
It was probably the last timeand then like then you're old
enough, you're going to partieslike halloween parties after
that, from what I remember, whenI would be when I was invited
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hey man, you gotta crash.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
If you got the look, dude, what were you saying?
Any plans to dress up this year?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
nah, I'm actually gonna be away, which is awesome
because I'm you know where Ilive.
Just in general, I hate beingat home for halloween because I
I'm a single guy.
I don't like answering my doorfor children to give them candy.
It's weird.
The whole thing is just strangefor me.
(39:36):
I can't get excited about it.
I don't care what these kidsare dressed up as.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
You feel weird, getting excited that kids are
knocking at your door.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Well, no More like.
I open the door, like oh, whatare you?
Oh, you're such a cute princess, I'm not going to say that.
So then when I open the, herhere.
See ya, it's weird, I don'tlike it.
It's a weird thing to do as asingle male for me, just
personal choice.
I don't like it, so I don't doit.
(40:03):
I usually try to stay away andluckily this year I'm actually
going to be in the candy capitalof the world, hershey,
pennsylvania, for a conference.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So I don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Are you dressing up this year?
No plans to.
I had to dress up for work.
You should dress up as EmperorNorton.
Dude, I blow him away.
But um no, we'll just come homeand we'll do the
trick-or-treaters.
We live in a little townhousecommunity, so we'll get all the
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trick-or-treaters let's see ifwe can get someone else on here.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Hey, brian K, this is Matt and John with the Nailing
History podcast.
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
what's going on guys?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
getting your radio voice, one of our fans we're
just recording a littleHalloween episode.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
We wanted to reach out to the fans and just have a
little chat about Halloween.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Oh great.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
We've already called half of them.
We've called half of all of ourfans.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
We've called half of our fans and you're one of the
few that picked up, so that'sgood.
Hey, just curious what's yourfavorite Halloween costume ever?
Brian K.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
My favorite Halloween costume ever.
Brian K, my favorite Halloweencostume ever.
Probably the time that me andmy buddy dress up as Top Gun.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
That sounds really masculine.
That sounds like you guys wereGoose and Maverick Just walking
around like alpha males.
Definitely very masculinecostumes.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
A lot of compliments.
Yeah, so Brian K and I, brian Kand I.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Well, brian K and I.
He's alluding to a costume thatBrian and I did together where
we went as Goose and Maverick incollege who was who?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
To a frat party?
Yeah, went as.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Goose and Maverick in college, who was who To a frat
party?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I was Goose because I had a mustache and Brian K was
Maverick I was cruising short.
The biggest problem with thatcostume was when we were seen
together, we looked like a gaycouple, which nothing wrong with
it, except in college might nothave been the best way to get
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chicks at a Halloween party andor and.
Then, when we were separate, welooked like astronauts or
something.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It was really bad.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
It was horrible.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
It was horrible.
It was the worst costume everwe bought.
We bought them online.
They were just like somejumpsuits or whatever.
They ripped immediately.
Yeah, that was a rough one.
Brian K, I was talking about myblackface costume from freshman
year too.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
That was a rough one.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, that was a bad one.
Who's John?
John didn't say anything aboutcollege.
He was Pinocchio one year whenhe was like his mid-20s.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
It wasn't Halloween, though, but we'll say it was a
Halloween costume.
Yeah, I did.
Pinocchio Went to a pee-themedparty.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
What was the last year that you trick-or-treated
Brian K?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Oh boy For that candy .
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I might have went one time in high school.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Whoa, that's pretty old Brian yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I can't really remember.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Well, you have younger brothers, so maybe you
were taking them around.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And I'm definitely going to use that as an excuse.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Do you remember your last trick-or-treating Halloween
costume?
By any chance, or a later one,like your pre-teen teen costumes
, anything that would be funny.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I usually dress up as a sports guy, because that was
my alley.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Just throw a jersey on and say that's who you are
Throw a jersey on and I was asports guy.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I think, I went as Marshall Falk one year.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Did you do blackface I?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
went as a baseball.
That was cool.
I did not do blackface.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, marshall Falk.
Yeah, you went as a baseball.
That's a good one.
It's like Brian K going as anathlete is kind of like me going
as Fred Durst Same thing.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Or a skateboarder.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Right or a skateboarder Right.
Yeah that's cool.
You guys should dress up likeme for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Oh, like what Should we pick a decade of?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
you to dress up as like your weezer decade.
Yeah, my weezer decade, mynirvana decade skateboarding
decade studious decade yourblackface decade yeah, that was
bad.
That was bad.
I was thinking, if this pocketI'm the nice part about, really
the main reason why we'regetting this episode out on the
(45:20):
airwaves is in case this podcastever hits, it gets big in the
future, that I'll at least havea pre-recorded episode
explaining my blackface costume,so that it's not Well, it would
be like it's not a reactiveapology.
It's like I wasn't doingblackface, I was doing this.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
So, it's already out there Because you didn't delete
your pictures off Facebook,right?
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I deleted my whole Facebook.
Delete your account.
Yes, the pictures aredefinitely somewhere.
Brian K might actually haveaccess to them Chances are he
does.
I would have to do some diggingMaybe we'll tease him out for
our fans.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Tease one out.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
We'll do it, but we'll blur my face.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
I learned today that a chat GPT query uses about as
much energy and power as a fullas the all the power to charge
your phone that's holy moly.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
wow for real, yeah oh , for real talking about.
I was listening to an articleabout how all these tech
companies they're going intonuclear power because they need
all these other service centers,all their data centers, need
all this power to run AI.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Alright, brian K, we'll let you go.
Thanks for answering.
You got anything else to leavethe fans with?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, I got nothing on the top of my head, but thanks
for the phone call.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, maybe I should have given you a heads up, but I
wanted to catch you off guard alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
You sure did.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Yeah Well, thanks for picking up and thanks for
listening, as always.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
See you, guys All right, see ya, you're the best,
See ya.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
All right, well, just he, just a great fan, very
great fan.
He keeps up to date.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Just one last thing he gave us some of the best
feedback from the very beginning.
He's one of.
He was the one behind the?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
yes, we did have we had one more fan mail that I
wanted to get to.
It says excellent solo episodeMatt, I never knew Edward Norton
had such a rich background.
I've been a fan of his sinceAmerican History X but never
knew.
I'm just kidding, that's prettymuch.
(47:47):
Oh, that's a biopic of hernorton.
(48:07):
Obviously I never knew edward.
I don't know why.
I think that's so funny.
I never knew Edward Norton hadsuch a rich background.
I've been a fan of his sinceAmerican History X but never
knew how deep his past ran.
As for costumes, if we'retalking nailing history topics,
I think an OJ and Kato costumewould be great.
Well, there's the second OJ OJchoice.
(48:29):
That that would be a good one.
That would be a good one.
Cheeseburgers and all that.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
OJ and Kato just with just bags and like a jacuzzi
somewhere.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Emily M might be able to tag it.
I think her favorite Halloweencostume was always French fries
McDonald's French fries.
She bought a costume and thatalways was her favorite, so she
could kind of tie into that.
That'd be pretty funny.
You both could pull that off.
Well, we already kind of got itwent over that.
I think we might be past ourtime for being able to pull off
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that.
Otherwise, for historicalcostumes, I love a good Captain
Jack Sparrow.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Very historical.
He was definitely the bestpirate.
You meant to say CaptainBlackbeard.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
He was definitely.
No, I don't think so.
He was definitely the bestpirate, I'm not sure.
Oh yeah, okay, so that was it.
Stay classy dick pepperfield,which I think I know who this is
.
We'll give him a call and seeif we can get him to answer.
Chances are very slim on thisone, but you never know, you
could think it's an emergency.
That's usually why peopleanswer.
(49:52):
I think anymore is like wait,why is he calling?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
definitely oh is this Dick Pepperfield.
Mr Pepperfield.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Uh, this is Dick Copperfield.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Hey, uh, this is Matt and John with the nailing
history podcast.
Just calling uh Collins doingsome returning of our fan mail
and just wanted to say thanksfor getting back to us.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Hey man, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I got to say I was laughing pretty hard at your
response.
You like that, I like thecheeseburgers.
Addition to the OJ and Katocostume, that would be a nice
touch.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I mean you got to have them because it ties it all
together.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
That was pretty good.
That was pretty good.
Just curious what's yourfavorite Halloween costume that
you ever dressed up as?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
There's many to choose from.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I mean, probably, at the end of the day, probably
Charlie Kelly.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Okay, the Always Sunny in Philadelphia yeah
that's a good one.
That's a good one because youlook a little bit like him, so
you definitely pulled that offpretty well.
That was a college stooge, Iguess.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
What was the last year that you remember
trick-or-treating?
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Last year I was Like in terms of receiving candy.
Yeah, like going out andactually like you know Probably,
I mean yeah, a couple years ago, probably, you know, pre-covid
COVID is what really did it foryou.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
I really just put a wrench in everything.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, I mean after that, you know I've ruined
everything.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
What would happen if, like you, were just like all
the ring?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
cameras on everyone's houses.
You know what would happen if,like you, were just like all the
ring cameras on everyone'shouses.
You kind of you know what wouldhappen?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
yeah, you know people get mad, you know what?
Speaker 3 (51:58):
was that?
Like what would?
What would you think if youwere like live, like just
hanging out your house doingtrick-or-treating or whatever,
like doing halloween and waitingfor people to come, and then
just a group of like five to sixmen in their mid thirties is
doing a straight up trick ortreat run?
Like, what do you do?
Do you turn them away?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
They are they cool.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Yeah, they're like us , dressed up as Edward Norton.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
They got a trick, I got a treat, that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
There you go.
You heard it from the manhimself.
Um, the other thing that wewanted to bring up.
As far as mustard goes, what wewere alluding to, there is a
Koshusko mustard out there.
Oh really, mm-hmm, they havethree choices, correct, that's
(52:48):
correct.
They have coarse ground, theyhave just regular spicy brown,
and then they have.
Is it a beer?
Regular spicy brown?
And then they have.
Is it a beer mustard?
Speaker 2 (52:53):
john, your mustard, yeah now we have you know what
you can get of it.
I I hate to say it, but this,this guy, is growing on me I
know right, even the mustardright well, I didn't know about
the mustard, but you know john'sare doing a great job with this
guy.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
And I feel like that last step was very informative.
Yeah, you got a little bit of.
You kind of started to realizethat he's not such a choo.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
He might now be a jabroni after all.
He just has a jabroni name,matt and I have come to the
conclusion.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Now, who are we speaking with?
Again?
Speaker 2 (53:33):
I know you by an alias.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Dick Pepperfield.
Dick Pepperfield, if I recallcorrectly, I think you have some
Italian-American heritage aswell, and Matt and I were saying
that maybe Columbus Day needsto take the pine.
We can't really wrap our headsaround why it is that Columbus
has his own day.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
We started the episode talking about how
Christopher Columbus might be aSpanish Jew and they're taking
that away from the Italians, Imean if they're taking it away.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
That's going to be devastating.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Mm-hmm.
I mean, I don't know if Wouldyou Do you replace it with a
Cusco Day that's my question ora Garibaldi Day?
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Well, Cusco wasn't an Italian-American.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
A Cusco Day.
I mean, you know, he deserves aday, I think.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I mean, if there was a Polish-American Day, it would
be Cusco, so it would beKosciuszko, so I don't know if
there is one, I don't know when,we would celebrate like Polish
American heritage.
But Columbus Day is for ItalianAmerican heritage, dick
Pepperfield.
So if you were to pick oneItalian that would replace
Christopher Columbus, what wouldit be?
Who would it be?
As far as for a nationalholiday, One Italian to replace.
(54:47):
Mm-hmm, this is Put really putyou on the spot, I know.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
This is on the spot.
A little prep time could havehelped in this case.
One in town Maybe speak up.
Antonio Soprano's not eligible.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Sure, he's eligible.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
He's not, I don't know, maybe Frankie, who could
we?
Speaker 1 (55:12):
put in Frankie Sinatra.
I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Frankie Generic.
Who could we put in FrankieSinatra?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah, he's talking about Frankie Sinatra.
That was a choice, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, the people would love it.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Old blue eyes.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Maybe Tony Roney.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Tony Roney, tony Roney, mario Cuomo, the Cuomo,
boys the Cuomo boys Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
What Cuomo boys.
The Cuomo boys Cuomo.
What other food is there?
That's really the Italian foodmascot.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, like the SpaghettiOs guy Chef Boyardee,
was he Italian.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah, chef Boyardee, he must be, imagine, chef
Boyardee he must be.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Imagine Chef Boyardee is not Italian.
That'd be crazy.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, I mean.
Well, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Do you think Chef Boyardee is like Boyardee's
Pasta's Tasty?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Is that Boyardee's Pasta's Tasty?
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Sounded by Itore Boyardee.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
I heard it from the man himself.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Wait a minute.
He's proud Italian-American.
There you go, huh so.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
Boyardee.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Day Dick Pepperfield, chef Boyardee Day.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
He's Italian there you go.
Maybe work on that gravy.
Speaker 3 (56:39):
You don't like Chef Boyardee's gravy, do you?
I haven't had it in a bit, I'llsay that much.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
What about John?
Speaker 3 (56:48):
John.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Nah, I make my own.
I've been yelled at in hisfamily's house for calling him.
He's a Thai-American.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
That's valid.
I don't know if it's ageographical thing with Italians
, but he comes from a family whodoes not call it gravy.
I don't know if there'sgeopolitical reasoning for that.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Where is he from?
Speaker 3 (57:11):
Where are you from, John?
Speaker 1 (57:14):
Well, my clan of Italians come from Rosetto,
Pennsylvania.
Where are?
Speaker 2 (57:24):
you from in Italy, which is Eastern.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Pennsylvania, sicily and Puglia.
Where are you from, dick?
Speaker 2 (57:35):
What'd you call me?
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Dick Pepperfield.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, the full name please.
Originally, you know back inthe old country here and there.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
Where on the?
Speaker 2 (57:52):
boot, would you say you were from the heel.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
I'm hearing there about when on the boot would you
say you were from.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
The heel Mid, you know mid lower calf, the ankle,
Like high ankle, low calf.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
When we have been put on is the question.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
You know my come from the big toe.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
It's all over.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
All over the boot there.
That's good, that's good.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
But not Sardinia.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Not Sardinia.
What's wrong with Sardinia?
Well, I guess we'll have to getinto that.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
All right, Dick.
Well, we appreciate youanswering the phone.
We got Brian K on here.
We got Emily M on here.
Andrew S didn't answer.
He's too busy, I guess he shotyou down.
He did.
Yeah, but we just wanted torespond.
We want to make sure that thefan mail keeps going, so we
wanted to give you apersonalized call to respond.
Speaker 2 (59:01):
You kept begging for a text message, wow, so I had to
shoot a couple of her.
I love the show.
Listen to every episode.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Thank you.
Well, this one will be comingout on Halloween, so enjoy it,
enjoy it.
I hope you have a good holiday.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, I will be celebrating this year.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
Are you dressing up this year?
We'll see, we'll see.
Now I will say, of all thepeople that I know, as far as,
uh, halloween costumes andcreativity and humor, uh, mr
Dick Pepperfield is one of thebest.
He usually brings it prettygood on Halloween, so I got to
(59:45):
give it to him.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
Yep, yep, he's one of the best.
So if you ever need to try, Ido what.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
I can Yep, yep.
He's one of the best.
So if you ever need a tip.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, I try, I do what I can.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yoursuggestions were great.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
Alright, I think you guys should maybe take a video
put some pictures up.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Of us dressed as OJ and Kato, which is take some
video.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah, throw it up on the Twitter account.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Should we just reenact the night of OJ and Kato
?
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Even better.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Like Kato getting yelled at for leaving the Jets
on in the hot tub and then go toMcDonald's.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Okay, Take your bit from the show, polish it up.
Add some more Google skip.
Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
There you go.
You heard it from our numberone fan, john.
That's what we need to do.
That'll get us some.
There you go.
You heard it from our numberone fan, john.
That's what we need to do,that'll get us some that will
get us.
Now I'll say this much If we dothat, that would get us some
attention out there.
That would get you a pop, Ithink.
Good or bad, that would get usa pop I'm going to need that wig
Either way, either way.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
You still have the makeup, I'm sure, from being
blackface.
Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Yeah, I could probably dig it up somewhere.
It's been a couple years.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
You know, do it your way.
I'm not going to tell you howto do it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
All right Well we appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Thank you for that.
That was a great idea.
Thanks for the feedback.
Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
No problemo.
Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
I have enjoyed the rest of your evening.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
You guys too.
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Pepperfield.
Take care Be peace.
Well, there you have it, john.
I lied, there you have it.
I'm really getting through tohim.
Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
About what.
He's a pistol, that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Heavy hitters.
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
He's a pistol, that guy.
Back toto-back heavy hittershe's a pistol, that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Back-to-back heavy hitters dude.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Guy comes from all over Italy.
I'm jealous.
Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I'm still getting over reading his fan mail for
the first time and realizingwhat he was actually saying.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Gotta give it to him.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
I guess anything else .
John, you got anything else tosay?
I mean, we kind of we dug intothe the Christopher Columbus
saga a bit, got some fanreactions at Halloween you know,
just be safe out there ifyou're out there with your kids
yeah, hope you guys enjoy yourHalloween and hopefully we got
you guys thinking there withyour kids.
Yeah, hope you guys enjoy youryour Halloween and hopefully we
got you guys thinking about somegood costumes and hope you guys
(01:02:15):
pick a historical costume andgo to a party and be able to
teach everybody about it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
So have fun, stay safe but, even more importantly,
stay curious.
Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Alright, fans have a good one.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
And we say bye-bye.
Check one two.
Can you even hear me Mm-hmm?
Well, I'm changing it now.
Check one two.
Check one two.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And welcome back to another episode of nailing
history.
I'm your host, one of the hosts, matt.
I'm here with john, the otherhost of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
How's it going, john?
Going good, it's getting spookyaround here, a little spooky.
It's a little bit darker, alittle bit early.
I'm counting down the minutes,the hours, the daylight savings
time.
Are they doing that this yearinto it?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I thought that I thought that got like canceled
of daylight saving.
No, definitely not.
Where'd you?
Hear that um the sunshineprotection act, which would make
(01:16):
daylight savings time permanent, stalled in the house of
representatives in 2022 and hasnot been brought to the floor
for a vote in 2023.
With the current Congressending in January 2025, it's
unlikely to pass.
Before that, the sunshineprotection act might cancel or
might make daylight savingpermanent, which what would that
(01:39):
mean?
We're going into it right, arewe?
No, I think the summer'sdaylight saving, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
daylight savings time 2024.
Oh, you're right.
Yeah, march until november isdaylight savings so we wouldn't
be going back.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, I'll tell you what.
Thank god, thank goodness, weare, because I haven't changed
my clocks back in my car from uh, the last time, from spring, so
I'm still an hour behind onthere.
So it's all going to right theship in a couple, in a week,
here, I guess so is it safe tosay that you would vote down the
protect the sun act?
(02:23):
sunshine act yes, I've seen itwell, speaking of historical
things, john, I've I guess wegot to circle back to, we've ran
into you got a little bit ofsome bad news as far as your um
family's culture um a coupleweeks ago, and I know we're a
(02:44):
little late to bring it up onthe podcast, but do you know
what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I have an inkling.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
There's a bit of shocking revelation that was
released through, possibly, theBBC, not really sure the source
but turns out your boy,christopher Columbus, may not
have been Italian after all, allthis time been claimed by the
(03:15):
Italian citizens of this countrythat they were the ones who
were responsible for foundingthe country.
They were the ones who wereresponsible for founding the
country, and it all got rippedaway from them in the year 2024,
when news finally broke that hemost likely was of Spanish
(03:37):
Jewish heritage a SephardicJewish right.
I don't know.
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
it's a certain sect of judaism that were based
primarily in spain until theyall got kicked out in 1492 seems
like it adds up the same yearhe came over.
It seems like it adds up almostlike he was like hey, yeah,
I'll work for you, ferdinandisabella, sure I'll go find
China for you.
Sure, I'll go back door, I'llfind our way, I'll find it, sure
(04:11):
.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean, it just makes me really wonder what.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I was going to say, then all of his other people.
I guess you know if the factsare the facts, if he really, if
he was Jewish himself maybe hewas just getting out of Dodge.
He saw the writing on the wall.
I think they're all booted outto Greece.
I think the Spanish king andqueen booted them all to Greece
well it's weird the wholesituation.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Who claims Christopher Columbus is like
kind of a weird like who doesn'tclaim it?
seems like.
It seems like it's just strange, because it seems like, um,
like in the late 1800s therewere all these immigrants in
america and they were all beingpersecuted or all wanting to be
like the dominant immigrantgroup of the united states and
(04:57):
they were kind of using that.
They were that that christophercolumbus was like part of their
.
They were the reason that itwas founded to make them be the
most prominent immigrant group.
It seemed to be like kind ofthe case back then and the
Italians kind of won out.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Kind of weird.
It's just people, a proudheritage, and I mean, you know
he's the Western, he's theWestern European that founded,
you know, the Western Hemisphere.
I just think it's a claim thatpeople want to.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Well, I don't know about that.
We have a loyal listener whowanted me to make sure I brought
up that Leif Erikson beat himby like 400 years or something
like that.
That's true.
So he didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I didn't know the Vikings were hanging around, so
he didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
The Vikings were hanging around.
So he didn't.
He also only hung out in theCaribbean.
I mean, I just don't get it.
Leif Erikson is a cooler name.
So we talk about TadousKishchusko and how he wasn't as
prominent because of his name.
I mean, Christopher Columbus,you have the alliteration, but
like Leif, that's a sweet name.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Leif Garrett yeah, pretty sweet.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Sure, but I mean I read something.
It was funny.
I was looking into it.
I was just kind of looking intothe facts of Columbus and there
was this one quote that waslike kind of like, why do
Italians pick him or claim him,or whatever?
He set sail under the Spanishflag, using Spanish ships, using
Spanish money and claiming landfor Spain.
(06:30):
Are we noticing a pattern here?
Spain, Spanish.
Do you notice which country ismissing here?
Italy or any other country thatis not Spain.
Regardless, Italians have laidclaim on Columbus, celebrating
him after they denied him.
Talk about jumping on thebandwagon.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
If we want to really split hairs.
I think he wasn't Italian.
He would have been Genovese atthe most, because Italy was not
a unified state until the 1860s.
That's a whole other point.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That's a whole great point.
It seems like it was theItalian immigrants really
pushing for it, which is fine.
I'm not saying anything, itdoesn't matter, right?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, but it's actually strange because I think
even probably back in Italy,maybe the grandchildren or the
great-grandchildren of thatfirst generation of immigrants,
because a lot of them came fromsouthern italy, which, before
the unification of italy,southern italy was its own
kingdom and it in genoa.
They're like two differentcountries, they were totally
(07:36):
different, and so I don't eventhink that one people that came
over here even knew probablythat much about him.
I would say he probably wasn'ttaught in classes in Italy at
that time.
Yeah, I just think people,italian-americans, it's kind of
become its own subculture and Ithink it's just a good way to.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I mean it's cool, I get it.
It reminds me of people inPhiladelphia kind of claim like,
oh, the country was born hereor you know, freedom was born in
philadelphia.
It's kind of a cool thing tofeather, to feather, to put in
your cap.
If I could quote one emperornorton from a couple episodes
ago um, so, I get it, but that,but like it, just, you know,
(08:19):
it's funny.
Well, to me there's all thiscontroversy now surrounding the
columbus day, and do wecelebrate it, the Columbus Day?
And do we celebrate it asColumbus Day?
Do we celebrate it asIndigenous Persons Day?
And I just don't really.
First of all, let me be clearwith you.
This is one of the holidaysthat I feel like I could do
without.
Just in general, I think wehave too many holidays in this
(08:39):
country.
It's a banker's holiday, as Ilike to call them, where some
people have off, some peopledon't.
I don.
It's a banker's holiday, as Ilike to call them, where some
people have off, some peopledon't.
It doesn't really make muchsense I didn't have off Stock
market's closed, I believe onColumbus Day.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I want to say it is.
I work for an Italian companynow and we didn't get the day
off, so obviously they don'tlove him that much.
What?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
did they think about him?
Well, now they really must be.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Their heads must be spinning well yeah, it's been
swept under the rug, has it beenlike?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
there been like a somber mood in the office kind
of about the whole situation,because first they were calling
him like a genocide maniac, andnow they're even.
Not only are they doing that,but then they're ripping his
legacy out of the because Ithink you were very proud of.
Weren't there?
Isn't there like somewhat of asaying for an italian culture
(09:33):
saying we found it, we fed we.
What is it?
What is it?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
we discovered it, we named it, we built it the
italian sons and daughters ofamerica.
From an article in 2021, oh boy.
Well, nine words are all ittakes to capture italian's
indelible contributions toamerica I'd be a little piffed
if I were the uh spanish well,the spanish, I don't think, had
(10:00):
a very big diaspora 200 years,300, 400 years after the man
made this voyage.
So, you know, as I say, ifyou're not, I think, if you're
not, you got to be in the gameto.
You know, to call the shots andI don't think enough.
Spanish came over here, well,in the 1800s.
Well, well.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So then I was thinking I it was.
I'm kind of thinking like, well, why do we celebrate Columbus
Day?
What's the big deal?
I mean, he didn't land inAmerica, he wasn't looking for
America, he didn't know he foundAmerica.
Guy was kind of like.
I mean he just like, did heever learn it by the time he
(10:45):
died?
Did he know that he discoveredanother country or did he think
he was walking around India?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
So what are we?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
celebrating here, what are we celebrating here?
This is nonsense.
So anyway, I'm trying to get tothe bottom of it.
Thinking about it a coupleweeks ago, this is coming in.
I'm just like this is justweird.
And then I found out that theholiday was actually started to
(11:12):
like to support italian, likeitalian immigrants from
prosecution and as a as anapology for a big lynching that
happened down in New Orleans in1892.
So, 400 years after Columbussailed the ocean blue, united
(11:32):
States President BenjaminHarrison instituted Columbus Day
as a one-time holiday tocelebrate Italian-American
contributions to society, partlyas an apology following the
lynching of 11 Italianimmigrants in New Orleans.
Then, decades later, in 1934,president Franklin Delano
(11:53):
Roosevelt rendered Columbus Daya federal holiday.
There you go, nothing likespending the federal money.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And again, those immigrants that were down in New
Orleans were Sicilians, almostexclusively Sicilians at that
point, and I guess maybeBenjamin Harrison showing his
ignorance of geography.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, it seems like the Italians in general were
behind it, so why not just geton their side?
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But Northern Italians , if you just look at the
immigration waves NorthernItalians, including Genoa, where
Columbus would have been from,or where he represented, he was
Spanish.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Face the facts.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
If he was Italian, he was Northern Italian, he wasn't
even Southern Italian.
They still look down their noseat the South.
But the South?
Maybe they're not so smart, Idon't know.
But a better question who'sAmerica named after Another
Italian Great America, vespucci?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So what about him?
I don't know what about him.
Why don't we celebrate AmericaDay?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Maybe we should be celebrating America Vespucci
instead.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I think we should be celebrating Leif Erikson that
name's awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's a good name.
That was like Erikson.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I know he landed in like New Finland or whatever.
So yeah, I guess it wouldn't bethat.
But Columbus landed in theCaribbean.
I don't understand it.
It makes no sense.
He didn't even land on mainland, did he?
Did he ever come up to themainland, to the continental
United States?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It really chaps, my, there's been all this fighting
about if we should celebrateChristopher Columbus, blah, blah
, blah.
I feel like maybe somebodyshould just come out and say
listen, the whole holiday isjust for Italian-American
heritage appreciation, so whydon't we just call it for what
it is?
Why name it something that'ssuper controversial, when that's
(13:57):
not even really the basis ofthe holiday?
I don't know.
And how come no one talks aboutthis man I'm bringing up?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You're saying that Columbus Day they should come
back to just the fact that it isan Italian-American holiday and
that's why it was created inthe first place, rather than for
all Americans has anybody saidthat ever.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Have you ever heard that before?
There's all this argument aboutlike why do we celebrate
Christmas or Columbus?
He was a bad person who youknow enslaved people and blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
Right, but it's like.
Maybe the real thing is likewhy do we even celebrate it?
We celebrate it to toacknowledge the Italian, the
Italian Americans, contributionto society, which is but then
(14:46):
that doesn't hold, I guess thatdoesn't hold enough weight to
allow the bankers and thegovernment to be off on a Monday
in October.
So once you start talking aboutthat, everyone's going to be
like, well then, why do we haveoff?
And then they're going to say,oh shoot, we got to be quiet
about it.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So maybe there's a little conspiracy there about
people who just don't want towork.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, so maybe there's a little conspiracy
there about people who justdon't want to work.
Yeah, I mean, in reality, ifyou knew that it was just to
celebrate italian americanheritage I mean we have a
million days like that, but yeah, you know, I thought that was
uh.
Oh, that was just kind ofinteresting to talk about.
I know john was a little upsetabout it when he when he learned
about that.
But leave, erickson is prettycool.
Like his name, his last name isbecause his, he was the son of
(15:26):
eric the great, I think, or ericthe something, and that's cool.
Like when people's names usedto be like who your dad, your
last name was like the son ofwhoever you were.
So, like my dad's name is tim,so my, my name would be Matt
Timson.
That's a cool name, because itdoesn't work Timothy Son Timson.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Matt Timson.
That'd be interesting, it couldbe cool, it would be mine.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
What was your dad's?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
name.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
John Peter, john Peterson.
Oh, there you go.
Lame like I think you maybelike related to Scott I don't
know.
Maybe Peterson of murder famewas he's Peterson, or Peter men,
scott Peterson and LaceyPeterson.
(16:21):
Yeah, maybe his dad's name isPeter.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
It's possible, but I don't care that much about
Christopher Columbus Day.
I guess growing up it was funthat we had the day off too.
I don't think we did.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I don't think we did, did we Also?
You know what else I learned?
The Nina, the Pinta and theSanta Maria weren't the actual
names of the ships that theysailed on.
Well, the Santa Maria wasactually the name, but the Pinta
is like Spanish for prostitute.
That's what the sailorsnicknamed it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
And it just stuck.
Yeah, you know those sailors,dirty old men.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It's just that stuck.
It's just funny to me.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, no, I think there's other people that are
probably more even in the age ofdiscovery, that are probably
were more worth celebrating,like ferdinand, magellan dude,
like circumnavigated the world.
I just think there's even froman explorer standpoint, there's
probably like more.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
No, yeah, it's cooler yeah, I mean, I guess whatever
if you gotta get a federalholiday, but I don't know,
whatever.
I mean he landed well, whatever.
Christopher Columbus, we speakthy name, although it might not
have actually been his real namewhat was it?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Christopher Weisenstein?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Christopher Schwartz.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Christopher Green, christopher Schwartz.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Christopher Green.
Oh man, no, it was eitherCristoforo Colombo, cristobal
Colon Cologne, even X-P-O-U-A-L.
(18:39):
De Cologne, however youpronounce that X-P-O-U-A-L.
I don't know.
I don't know, but anyway, justwanted to get that out there
because I was just doing somethinking and I'm like, whatever
I mean, it doesn't really matter, but there is some.
I just think they should comeout and just call it what it is
and say what we're actuallycelebrating when we talk about.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Christopher Columbus.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
It's an Italian-American holiday.
It was literally never meant tocelebrate the man Christopher
Columbus never meant tocelebrate the man Christopher
Columbus.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
It was to give a nod to the Italian Americans who
felt threatened and attacked.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
They should just call it an Italian American Day, or
something cooler than that.
Who would have been a betterfigure to use for to celebrate
Italian citizenship?
I guess that's pretty much allthat.
It would be Joe DiMaggio figureto use for to celebrate Italian
citizenship.
I guess that's pretty much allthat it would be.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Joe DiMaggio at least he is American.
Like he played an American game, a sport is Joe DiMaggio day.
Like Italian Americans can beproud that they got a day and
he's a great baseball playerthat, like, everyone loved and
everyone like knows, didn't helike beat up Marilyn Monroe, did
(19:49):
he?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So not everybody loves him are you sure nothing
of Jake Lamotta.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I don't think so, anybody else.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Frank Sinatra was also abusive, I believe, but
people do love him good, callfrank sinatra day, that's not
bad.
What about garibaldi day?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
giuseppe, I mean didn't.
He was in america at one point.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
He was kind of like, isn't garibaldi kind of like the
guy who's like the foundingfather of modern day italy?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
oh, he was part of the unification, for sure he was
a bit of a rock star in histime but it'd be like a george
washington, like it'd be likebefore the unification he was up
in Staten Island for a fewmonths.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I think that would be a good answer.
I would say Just change it toGary Baldy Day.
Is there anything negativeabout him?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
he was kind of a dictator.
He kind of was a little out forhimself, aren't they all?
Then he kind of tried to act alittle bit like Washington and
kind of giving up power.
But his biggest thing was justunifying Italy and he didn't
really care how he did it or howwho was unifying it.
(21:18):
He kind of sold himself outLike he was, or or maybe a
republican, but then he realizedthat wasn't going anywhere.
So he joined the monarchy.
All right north, becausenailing history solved.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
it changed columbus day to garibaldi day case closed
proof in the pudding.
You can go and tell that.
So anyway, it's Halloween.
This episode is going to getreleased on Halloween, so I
wanted to just talk aboutHalloween a little bit, get back
(21:51):
to some of the questions thatwe had.
Let me get to this.
We had some fans A couple ofweeks ago.
If you guys remember, I did anepisode on Emperor Norton and
the basis for talking about himwas that I thought he would
maybe be a good Halloweencostume to be.
If you wanted to impress somepeople at work or at school or
(22:12):
anything to our fans, if youcould dress up as anybody in the
Nailing History universe, asfar as where we like people that
we've talked to like, who wouldyou want to dress up as?
(22:32):
And we got two responses.
First response I'll just readthem out loud.
First response I'll just readthem out loud.
First response was I'd probablydress up like Sidney Simpson in
a dance recital costume, orPrincess Diana what other women
have you talked about?
(22:52):
So that was a good.
So that was a good.
Sidney Simpson, if you remember,is the daughter of OJ Simpson
and the night of the allegedmurder of Nicole Brown Simpson.
Sidney Simpson was performingin a dance recital, correct?
(23:13):
Yes, that's correct.
So that's where that comes from.
That was good, it's a good one.
Princess Diana would be good.
Another one would be prettygood would be the fiat, the
white fiat.
That would be a good costume.
You see the car with the head.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, just like the guy.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah whatever that guy's name who, like his head,
fell off, like have some guy ina Fiat burned alive with his
head full, that'd be a goodcostume.
That'd be a good costume.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
What outfit would you be if you were wearing Princess
Di?
If you were dressed as Paris, Imean, she had a lot of looks.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I don't know.
Let's see.
I think I might have known whothis was.
So let's see if we can get thisperson on the call, because we
do have a little bit more totalk about here.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I want to see if Yo what's up.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Hey, Emily M.
This is Matt and John withNailing History.
We have you on the podcast here.
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Hey, it's going good.
I'm on my way to my hip hopclass.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh yeah, okay, good, well, this is actually perfect
timing.
Okay, we are going through ourfan mail.
We're talking a little bitabout Halloween, we're recording
our Halloween episode here andwe got some fan mail that I
think may have been from you.
I'd probably dress up like,when asked who you would dress
up as in the Nailing Historyuniverse, I'd probably dress up
(24:37):
like Sidney Simpson in adantricidal costume or Princess
Diana.
So we wondered how SidneySimpson is a good answer.
We kind of got to that.
But we were just kind ofwondering if you were to dress
as Princess Diana, how would youdress as her?
Would you wear the revengedress, as they call it?
What's that?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm trying to think.
I think I know one of her like.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Would you dress up as the Princess Diana?
Beanie Baby.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Oh, or would you dress up like the Princess Diana
?
Beanie Baby.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, I do own that, so that would be helpful.
No, I think I'd dress in one ofher like iconic 90s fashion,
like leisure fashion.
She's like an iconic sweatshirt.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Like a Disney sweatshirt, didn't she meet?
I think it said the Eagles onit.
Oh the Eagles, there you go,the Eagles sweatshirt when she
came to Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, maybe something like that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Good answer.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
High top sneakers and crunchy socks.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
That would be pretty good.
That'd be a good costume.
That'd be a good costume.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You left off the last part of my fan mail.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I was going to get to that.
I didn't know if you had time,but we can touch that a little
bit.
Her last part, which I did talkabout on the podcast, was what
other women have you talkedabout?
I don't know what you werenecessarily trying to get at as
in, we don't talk about womenenough on the podcast, or were
you just asking?
Well, I just meant that?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, I mean, I think you talk about history from
very long ago, so then there'snot really very many women
included.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Well, we talked about Helen Keller being a communist.
Maybe being a communist.
If you remember our realoriginal long-time listeners may
remember we did an entireepisode dedicated to the women
of the American Revolution.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh, did they get cards?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
We assigned them queens.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
That was Abigail Adams.
I have my Abigail Adams,deborah Sampson, molly Pitcher
and the fourth one is Mercy OtisWarren and Mercy Otis Warren
and Mercy Otis Warren.
There were four other womenthat we talked about the history
of the American Revolution.
But you do make a good point.
(27:07):
But just for anyone, those areall very good costumes to do,
but I do like your PrincessDiana in the Philadelphia Eagles
Philadelphia Eagles sweatshirt.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, as a long-awaited dance class.
I'm dressed up like a black cat, which.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I guess kind of goes with the sale.
Oh shoot, it's a shame youdidn't dress up like Princess
Diana, that would have been good.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I know I don't have that sweatshirt.
Maybe they have it at John'sSupply in downtown Westchester.
Just really saw this retrothing.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Well, you have a couple more days to prepare.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Okay, well, thanks for checking in.
I appreciate the personalresponse to my fan mail.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You know that's what we'll do.
That's what we promise with ourfan mail.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I hope now your listenersand fans will send you more fan
mail so they can hear thepersonalized response they'll
get.
Yeah, that was the planresponsible guests.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, that was the plan, good, all right.
All right, emily M, we'll enjoyyour dance recital or dance
class, unless you're dressedlike Sidney Brown right now,
sidney.
Simpson, sidney Simpson.
What did I say?
Sidney Brown, sydney Simpson.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Sydney Simpson, sydney Brown, sydney Simpson.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
I don't know, is she dressed up with cat ears?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
that's what I have on my head right now I'm not sure
you're the pro.
You're the OJ Simpson expertthat's true.
I don't think she was wearing ablack hat costume, so it's true
well, you know what, bring itup in class and see what they
think.
Hey, when you're practicingyour dance or something, be like
hey, what do you guys thinkSidney Simpson wore the night
that her dad killed his mom Hermom.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I'm sure that'll come up organically.
I'll wiggle it in there.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, just thinking, isn't that funny yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Just thinking about it.
I'm trying to get a Halloweencostume.
I like it.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I'll do it All, right , emily M.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Well, enjoy your class.
All right, thanks See ya.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Have fun See ya, see ya, emily M.
Thanks Bye.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It leads me to my next point Thinking about it be
a little tough to do Cindy BrownSimpson, considering it might
involve a little bit ofblackface with the Halloween
costume.
And then I was thinking aboutthis this morning going through
like old or Halloween.
I'm not a huge fan of Halloween, which I kind of alluded to in
my when we talked about EmperorNorton.
(29:40):
I just don't like Halloween.
I was never good at thinking ofcostumes and I there's so much
pressure to be clever or funnyand I'm not really either of
those when it comes to costumesor anything like that.
And I was just thinking therewere two separate instances in
my Halloween costume era where Iwould bring up Halloween
(30:04):
costumes where I did doblackface so like hopefully pre
2012.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yes, I'd be fine, probably get away with it well,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
So the first instance of it was in 2000, and I don't
know what year it was.
I was probably in like 5th or6th grade, so probably like
early 2000s, 2000, 2001.
And I went as Jamaican.
I wanted to be like a Jamaican,like a Rastafari guy I don't
know who had it but I hadalready had the weird hat with
(30:43):
the dreadlocks sewn into it Notthe weird hat, but the funny hat
with the dreadlocks.
So I was like, oh, I'll be easy.
And so I went with my dad tothe mall and I bought a tie-dye
t-shirt and I was going to atie-dyed t-shirt, jeans, and
like, have that on and just bejamaican.
Um, and I remember my dad.
(31:03):
I was like my dad went out toget me like the makeup to wear
for being jamaican, like the,the color to paint my skin, and
he came back with some really,really dark paint.
And I remember thinking andkind of not freaking out, but
just being like they're notJamaicans aren't that dark,
(31:24):
which is not true at all.
I'm like Jamaicans are more tan, they're not dark.
I had no idea of what I wasbeing.
I had no idea of the Jamaicanculture.
It's probably the only thingyou thought you were being
Hispanic?
Well, probably the only thing.
You thought you were beingHispanic?
Well, probably the only thing.
The Jamaicans are more the onlything.
Bob Marley is a lighter-skinnedJamaican, but I think he's like
(31:46):
, I think he's only partJamaican.
I'm not really sure.
Don't quote me on that, I mean.
So my only picture of a Jamaicanwas Bob Marley, so I'm like Bob
Marley's, not that.
My dad bought me dark brown, sothen I was going to a party
(32:08):
with that costume and I freakedout and finally he went out and
we got a lighter brown.
So it was probably a little bitless offensive, but then a
little bit more of an issue incollege, freshman year of
college, and again I'm notclever, so I've ripped this idea
(32:30):
off of somebody else that Iknow, family member maybe.
I don't want to dime anybodyout, but when he was a couple
years older than me and when hewas in college I saw a couple
pictures of him.
He went, as a slang term forbeing intoxicated, s-faced.
(32:50):
Do you know where I'm gettingat, john?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, s-faced.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
So all he did was painted his face brown and
walked around and was like, oh,I'm S-faced and I thought that
was funny.
So my freshman year which wouldhave been 2006, I did the same
thing and I walked around withreally dark, brown face,
(33:16):
basically black face.
There's no way around it.
If you saw a picture of this,there's no way.
I don't know if the pictureexists.
I'm sure pictures exist.
It was on Facebook at one point.
I don't have Facebook anymore,but people who had pictures of
me I know I was on Facebook withthat, but I did To make it
(33:38):
clear that I wasn't going asblackface.
I did write S-faced on a whitet-shirt in black marker so that
people would know that that'swhat.
So I was at least consciousthat I was probably doing
something that I shouldn't havebeen doing, but I did it anyway
and really it's kind of bad tothink about.
But that's a perfect situationof where, if somebody saw that
(34:00):
and it was out of context if forsome reason in the future this
podcast hits big and I'm justsaying this out loud, so at
least I'm covering for myselfahead of time If somebody was to
see me like that, that wouldlook bad and I don't know if
it's necessarily a bit now.
Was it bad?
I was being not blackface, butit looks like it, the real gray
(34:24):
area.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Well, I think you're a little more.
You're probably a little more,uh, sensitive to the fact, just
by putting that on your chest,like by writing, that then
justin trudeau was, and he'sstill, the prime minister of.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Canada.
That's true.
I think someone gave me somereal like dude, you look like
you're doing blackface.
Like it was a fit like blackfit.
Like when I did the Jamaicanthing when we were younger like
I don't even know if there wasany conscious, especially at our
age there was no blackfacebeing a thing, so like there was
no thought of it.
But by the time we were 18,2006, I mean I know people were
(34:59):
like dude, you look like you're.
I walked around town like thatfor twice.
I think I did it.
I think I did it for twoseparate nights.
Good thing, hey, I could havegotten my.
I could have gotten beat uppretty bad on that one, but I
didn't, so that was good.
I don't know what's yourfavorite Halloween costume?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I was similar.
I mean, I never really couldcome up with anything too good.
I dressed like Pinocchio once,but I actually don't know if
that was for Halloween.
I was going to a tea-themedparty and I had to dress to
someone beginning with theletter P.
I bought a pair of really tightred pants in the women's
(35:45):
section.
They were skin tight Redsuspenders, a little long nose
thing.
It wasn't over the topexcessive long Pinocchio nose,
but you can kind of tell what Iwas going for the hat and then a
yellow polo.
How old were you?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
then I was pretty good 25, six Okay.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
What about when you were a kid?
How, how late, how long do youremember, Like when you stopped
going trick or treating?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
like how old you were .
I don't know, maybe like 12.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
So each year, right, you just wanted to stay out
later.
You kind of didn't want to goat like six when all the kids
were out.
You kind of you wanted to useit as an excuse to like hang
around town at night like schoolnight and uh, yeah.
But I think eventually I justkind of grew out of it.
Yeah, do you remember what yourlast do?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
you remember what your last Halloween costume was.
I feel like your last Halloweencostume is either going to be
like the worst one put togetherthat was barely a costume or
it's going to be like a prettyfunny, like most relatable thing
now, because when you're 12 or13, like what you dressed up as.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I know I was the Riddler one year from Batman
forever but I don't think thatwas my last Halloween.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
That's pretty good, like purchased costume or yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Purchase costume with the cane and everything that's
cool.
That's cool.
Um, what else?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
You ever do Christopher Columbus?
That would have been good.
No, nice little Italian boy.
Dress it up, do ChristopherColumbus?
That would have been good.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
no, nice little Italian boy dress it up like I
think my mom knew even back thenshe knew something was up with
him.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
My last costume was my last costume was in that I
went trick-or-treating in wasFred Durst.
It's awesome, I was pumpedabout that.
I remember the-or-treating inwas Fred Durst it's awesome, I
was pumped about that.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
You had the red hat, I had the red Yankees hat?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, I had the red Yankees hat and I painted on a
little like chin goatee orwhatever he had and I just it
was one of those things where,like I didn't have anything, got
invited trick-or-treating lastminute.
I already had the red Yankeeshat because I was such a big
Limp Bizkit fan, so I alreadyhad the hat.
So did you have the pants?
(38:18):
I think.
I just wore.
I think I just wore khakisprobably had vans already and
then I had like a snowboardingjacket that I never snowboarded
but I had like a baggysnowboarding jacket that I use
like it was like I was trying tobe like Fred Durst in the
nookie music video and that was.
That was the last time, so thatwould have been probably sixth
(38:40):
or seventh grade.
Probably seventh grade would bemy guess that we thought I went
trick or treating.
It was probably the last timeand then like then you're old
enough, you're going to partieslike halloween parties after
that, from what I remember, whenI would be when I was invited
(39:03):
hey man, you gotta crash.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
If you got the look, dude, what were you saying?
Any plans to dress up this year?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
nah, I'm actually gonna be away, which is awesome
because I'm you know where Ilive.
Just in general, I hate beingat home for halloween because I
I'm a single guy.
I don't like answering my doorfor children to give them candy.
It's weird.
The whole thing is just strangefor me.
(39:36):
I can't get excited about it.
I don't care what these kidsare dressed up as.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
You feel weird, getting excited that kids are
knocking at your door.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Well, no More like.
I open the door, like oh, whatare you?
Oh, you're such a cute princess, I'm not going to say that.
So then when I open the, herhere.
See ya, it's weird, I don'tlike it.
It's a weird thing to do as asingle male for me, just
personal choice.
I don't like it, so I don't doit.
(40:03):
I usually try to stay away andluckily this year I'm actually
going to be in the candy capitalof the world, hershey,
pennsylvania, for a conference.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
So I don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Are you dressing up this year?
No plans to.
I had to dress up for work.
You should dress up as EmperorNorton.
Dude, I blow him away.
But um no, we'll just come homeand we'll do the
trick-or-treaters.
We live in a little townhousecommunity, so we'll get all the
(40:42):
trick-or-treaters let's see ifwe can get someone else on here.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Hey, brian K, this is Matt and John with the Nailing
History podcast.
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
what's going on guys?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
getting your radio voice, one of our fans we're
just recording a littleHalloween episode.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
We wanted to reach out to the fans and just have a
little chat about Halloween.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Oh great.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
We've already called half of them.
We've called half of all of ourfans.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
We've called half of our fans and you're one of the
few that picked up, so that'sgood.
Hey, just curious what's yourfavorite Halloween costume ever?
Brian K.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
My favorite Halloween costume ever.
Brian K, my favorite Halloweencostume ever.
Probably the time that me andmy buddy dress up as Top Gun.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
That sounds really masculine.
That sounds like you guys wereGoose and Maverick Just walking
around like alpha males.
Definitely very masculinecostumes.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
A lot of compliments.
Yeah, so Brian K and I, brian Kand I.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Well, brian K and I.
He's alluding to a costume thatBrian and I did together where
we went as Goose and Maverick incollege who was who?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
To a frat party?
Yeah, went as.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Goose and Maverick in college, who was who To a frat
party?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I was Goose because I had a mustache and Brian K was
Maverick I was cruising short.
The biggest problem with thatcostume was when we were seen
together, we looked like a gaycouple, which nothing wrong with
it, except in college might nothave been the best way to get
(42:35):
chicks at a Halloween party andor and.
Then, when we were separate, welooked like astronauts or
something.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It was really bad.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
It was horrible.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
It was horrible.
It was the worst costume everwe bought.
We bought them online.
They were just like somejumpsuits or whatever.
They ripped immediately.
Yeah, that was a rough one.
Brian K, I was talking about myblackface costume from freshman
year too.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
That was a rough one.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yeah, that was a bad one.
Who's John?
John didn't say anything aboutcollege.
He was Pinocchio one year whenhe was like his mid-20s.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
It wasn't Halloween, though, but we'll say it was a
Halloween costume.
Yeah, I did.
Pinocchio Went to a pee-themedparty.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
What was the last year that you trick-or-treated
Brian K?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Oh boy For that candy .
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I might have went one time in high school.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Whoa, that's pretty old Brian yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I can't really remember.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Well, you have younger brothers, so maybe you
were taking them around.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And I'm definitely going to use that as an excuse.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Do you remember your last trick-or-treating Halloween
costume?
By any chance, or a later one,like your pre-teen teen costumes
, anything that would be funny.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I usually dress up as a sports guy, because that was
my alley.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Just throw a jersey on and say that's who you are
Throw a jersey on and I was asports guy.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I think, I went as Marshall Falk one year.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Did you do blackface I?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
went as a baseball.
That was cool.
I did not do blackface.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, marshall Falk.
Yeah, you went as a baseball.
That's a good one.
It's like Brian K going as anathlete is kind of like me going
as Fred Durst Same thing.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Or a skateboarder.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Right or a skateboarder Right.
Yeah that's cool.
You guys should dress up likeme for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Oh, like what Should we pick a decade of?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
you to dress up as like your weezer decade.
Yeah, my weezer decade, mynirvana decade skateboarding
decade studious decade yourblackface decade yeah, that was
bad.
That was bad.
I was thinking, if this pocketI'm the nice part about, really
the main reason why we'regetting this episode out on the
(45:20):
airwaves is in case this podcastever hits, it gets big in the
future, that I'll at least havea pre-recorded episode
explaining my blackface costume,so that it's not Well, it would
be like it's not a reactiveapology.
It's like I wasn't doingblackface, I was doing this.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
So, it's already out there Because you didn't delete
your pictures off Facebook,right?
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I deleted my whole Facebook.
Delete your account.
Yes, the pictures aredefinitely somewhere.
Brian K might actually haveaccess to them Chances are he
does.
I would have to do some diggingMaybe we'll tease him out for
our fans.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Tease one out.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
We'll do it, but we'll blur my face.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
I learned today that a chat GPT query uses about as
much energy and power as a fullas the all the power to charge
your phone that's holy moly.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
wow for real, yeah oh , for real talking about.
I was listening to an articleabout how all these tech
companies they're going intonuclear power because they need
all these other service centers,all their data centers, need
all this power to run AI.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Alright, brian K, we'll let you go.
Thanks for answering.
You got anything else to leavethe fans with?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
No, I got nothing on the top of my head, but thanks
for the phone call.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, maybe I should have given you a heads up, but I
wanted to catch you off guard alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
You sure did.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Yeah Well, thanks for picking up and thanks for
listening, as always.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
See you, guys All right, see ya, you're the best,
See ya.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
All right, well, just he, just a great fan, very
great fan.
He keeps up to date.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Just one last thing he gave us some of the best
feedback from the very beginning.
He's one of.
He was the one behind the?
Speaker 3 (47:25):
yes, we did have we had one more fan mail that I
wanted to get to.
It says excellent solo episodeMatt, I never knew Edward Norton
had such a rich background.
I've been a fan of his sinceAmerican History X but never
knew.
I'm just kidding, that's prettymuch.
(47:47):
Oh, that's a biopic of hernorton.
(48:07):
Obviously I never knew edward.
I don't know why.
I think that's so funny.
I never knew Edward Norton hadsuch a rich background.
I've been a fan of his sinceAmerican History X but never
knew how deep his past ran.
As for costumes, if we'retalking nailing history topics,
I think an OJ and Kato costumewould be great.
Well, there's the second OJ OJchoice.
(48:29):
That that would be a good one.
That would be a good one.
Cheeseburgers and all that.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
OJ and Kato just with just bags and like a jacuzzi
somewhere.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Emily M might be able to tag it.
I think her favorite Halloweencostume was always French fries
McDonald's French fries.
She bought a costume and thatalways was her favorite, so she
could kind of tie into that.
That'd be pretty funny.
You both could pull that off.
Well, we already kind of got itwent over that.
I think we might be past ourtime for being able to pull off
(49:16):
that.
Otherwise, for historicalcostumes, I love a good Captain
Jack Sparrow.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Very historical.
He was definitely the bestpirate.
You meant to say CaptainBlackbeard.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
He was definitely.
No, I don't think so.
He was definitely the bestpirate, I'm not sure.
Oh yeah, okay, so that was it.
Stay classy dick pepperfield,which I think I know who this is
.
We'll give him a call and seeif we can get him to answer.
Chances are very slim on thisone, but you never know, you
could think it's an emergency.
That's usually why peopleanswer.
(49:52):
I think anymore is like wait,why is he calling?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:58):
definitely oh is this Dick Pepperfield.
Mr Pepperfield.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Uh, this is Dick Copperfield.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Hey, uh, this is Matt and John with the nailing
history podcast.
Just calling uh Collins doingsome returning of our fan mail
and just wanted to say thanksfor getting back to us.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Hey man, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I got to say I was laughing pretty hard at your
response.
You like that, I like thecheeseburgers.
Addition to the OJ and Katocostume, that would be a nice
touch.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I mean you got to have them because it ties it all
together.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
That was pretty good.
That was pretty good.
Just curious what's yourfavorite Halloween costume that
you ever dressed up as?
Speaker 2 (50:52):
There's many to choose from.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I mean, probably, at the end of the day, probably
Charlie Kelly.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Okay, the Always Sunny in Philadelphia yeah
that's a good one.
That's a good one because youlook a little bit like him, so
you definitely pulled that offpretty well.
That was a college stooge, Iguess.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
What was the last year that you remember
trick-or-treating?
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Last year I was Like in terms of receiving candy.
Yeah, like going out andactually like you know Probably,
I mean yeah, a couple years ago, probably, you know, pre-covid
COVID is what really did it foryou.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
I really just put a wrench in everything.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, I mean after that, you know I've ruined
everything.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
What would happen if, like you, were just like all
the ring?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
cameras on everyone's houses.
You know what would happen if,like you, were just like all the
ring cameras on everyone'shouses.
You kind of you know what wouldhappen?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
yeah, you know people get mad, you know what?
Speaker 3 (51:58):
was that?
Like what would?
What would you think if youwere like live, like just
hanging out your house doingtrick-or-treating or whatever,
like doing halloween and waitingfor people to come, and then
just a group of like five to sixmen in their mid thirties is
doing a straight up trick ortreat run?
Like, what do you do?
Do you turn them away?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
They are they cool.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Yeah, they're like us , dressed up as Edward Norton.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
They got a trick, I got a treat, that's all I got.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
There you go.
You heard it from the manhimself.
Um, the other thing that wewanted to bring up.
As far as mustard goes, what wewere alluding to, there is a
Koshusko mustard out there.
Oh really, mm-hmm, they havethree choices, correct, that's
(52:48):
correct.
They have coarse ground, theyhave just regular spicy brown,
and then they have.
Is it a beer?
Regular spicy brown?
And then they have.
Is it a beer mustard?
Speaker 2 (52:53):
john, your mustard, yeah now we have you know what
you can get of it.
I I hate to say it, but this,this guy, is growing on me I
know right, even the mustardright well, I didn't know about
the mustard, but you know john'sare doing a great job with this
guy.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
And I feel like that last step was very informative.
Yeah, you got a little bit of.
You kind of started to realizethat he's not such a choo.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
He might now be a jabroni after all.
He just has a jabroni name,matt and I have come to the
conclusion.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Now, who are we speaking with?
Again?
Speaker 2 (53:33):
I know you by an alias.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Dick Pepperfield.
Dick Pepperfield, if I recallcorrectly, I think you have some
Italian-American heritage aswell, and Matt and I were saying
that maybe Columbus Day needsto take the pine.
We can't really wrap our headsaround why it is that Columbus
has his own day.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
We started the episode talking about how
Christopher Columbus might be aSpanish Jew and they're taking
that away from the Italians, Imean if they're taking it away.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
That's going to be devastating.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Mm-hmm.
I mean, I don't know if Wouldyou Do you replace it with a
Cusco Day that's my question ora Garibaldi Day?
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Well, Cusco wasn't an Italian-American.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
A Cusco Day.
I mean, you know, he deserves aday, I think.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I mean, if there was a Polish-American Day, it would
be Cusco, so it would beKosciuszko, so I don't know if
there is one, I don't know when,we would celebrate like Polish
American heritage.
But Columbus Day is for ItalianAmerican heritage, dick
Pepperfield.
So if you were to pick oneItalian that would replace
Christopher Columbus, what wouldit be?
Who would it be?
As far as for a nationalholiday, One Italian to replace.
(54:47):
Mm-hmm, this is Put really putyou on the spot, I know.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
This is on the spot.
A little prep time could havehelped in this case.
One in town Maybe speak up.
Antonio Soprano's not eligible.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Sure, he's eligible.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
He's not, I don't know, maybe Frankie, who could
we?
Speaker 1 (55:12):
put in Frankie Sinatra.
I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Frankie Generic.
Who could we put in FrankieSinatra?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah, he's talking about Frankie Sinatra.
That was a choice, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, the people would love it.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Old blue eyes.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Maybe Tony Roney.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Tony Roney, tony Roney, mario Cuomo, the Cuomo,
boys the Cuomo boys Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
What Cuomo boys.
The Cuomo boys Cuomo.
What other food is there?
That's really the Italian foodmascot.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, like the SpaghettiOs guy Chef Boyardee,
was he Italian.
Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah, chef Boyardee, he must be, imagine, chef
Boyardee he must be.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Imagine Chef Boyardee is not Italian.
That'd be crazy.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, I mean.
Well, I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Do you think Chef Boyardee is like Boyardee's
Pasta's Tasty?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Is that Boyardee's Pasta's Tasty?
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Sounded by Itore Boyardee.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
I heard it from the man himself.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Wait a minute.
He's proud Italian-American.
There you go, huh so.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
Boyardee.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Day Dick Pepperfield, chef Boyardee Day.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
He's Italian there you go.
Maybe work on that gravy.
Speaker 3 (56:39):
You don't like Chef Boyardee's gravy, do you?
I haven't had it in a bit, I'llsay that much.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
What about John?
Speaker 3 (56:48):
John.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Nah, I make my own.
I've been yelled at in hisfamily's house for calling him.
He's a Thai-American.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
That's valid.
I don't know if it's ageographical thing with Italians
, but he comes from a family whodoes not call it gravy.
I don't know if there'sgeopolitical reasoning for that.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Where is he from?
Speaker 3 (57:11):
Where are you from, John?
Speaker 1 (57:14):
Well, my clan of Italians come from Rosetto,
Pennsylvania.
Where are?
Speaker 2 (57:24):
you from in Italy, which is Eastern.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
Pennsylvania, sicily and Puglia.
Where are you from, dick?
Speaker 2 (57:35):
What'd you call me?
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Dick Pepperfield.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, the full name please.
Originally, you know back inthe old country here and there.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
Where on the?
Speaker 2 (57:52):
boot, would you say you were from the heel.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
I'm hearing there about when on the boot would you
say you were from.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
The heel Mid, you know mid lower calf, the ankle,
Like high ankle, low calf.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
When we have been put on is the question.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
You know my come from the big toe.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
It's all over.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
All over the boot there.
That's good, that's good.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
But not Sardinia.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Not Sardinia.
What's wrong with Sardinia?
Well, I guess we'll have to getinto that.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
All right, Dick.
Well, we appreciate youanswering the phone.
We got Brian K on here.
We got Emily M on here.
Andrew S didn't answer.
He's too busy, I guess he shotyou down.
He did.
Yeah, but we just wanted torespond.
We want to make sure that thefan mail keeps going, so we
wanted to give you apersonalized call to respond.
Speaker 2 (59:01):
You kept begging for a text message, wow, so I had to
shoot a couple of her.
I love the show.
Listen to every episode.
Speaker 3 (59:12):
Thank you.
Well, this one will be comingout on Halloween, so enjoy it,
enjoy it.
I hope you have a good holiday.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, I will be celebrating this year.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
Are you dressing up this year?
We'll see, we'll see.
Now I will say, of all thepeople that I know, as far as,
uh, halloween costumes andcreativity and humor, uh, mr
Dick Pepperfield is one of thebest.
He usually brings it prettygood on Halloween, so I got to
(59:45):
give it to him.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
Yep, yep, he's one of the best.
So if you ever need to try, Ido what.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
I can Yep, yep.
He's one of the best.
So if you ever need a tip.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, I try, I do what I can.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yoursuggestions were great.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
Alright, I think you guys should maybe take a video
put some pictures up.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Of us dressed as OJ and Kato, which is take some
video.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah, throw it up on the Twitter account.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Should we just reenact the night of OJ and Kato
?
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Even better.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Like Kato getting yelled at for leaving the Jets
on in the hot tub and then go toMcDonald's.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Okay, Take your bit from the show, polish it up.
Add some more Google skip.
Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
There you go.
You heard it from our numberone fan, john.
That's what we need to do.
That'll get us some.
There you go.
You heard it from our numberone fan, john.
That's what we need to do,that'll get us some that will
get us.
Now I'll say this much If we dothat, that would get us some
attention out there.
That would get you a pop, Ithink.
Good or bad, that would get usa pop I'm going to need that wig
Either way, either way.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
You still have the makeup, I'm sure, from being
blackface.
Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Yeah, I could probably dig it up somewhere.
It's been a couple years.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
You know, do it your way.
I'm not going to tell you howto do it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
All right Well we appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Thank you for that.
That was a great idea.
Thanks for the feedback.
Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
No problemo.
Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
I have enjoyed the rest of your evening.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
You guys too.
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Pepperfield.
Take care Be peace.
Well, there you have it, john.
I lied, there you have it.
I'm really getting through tohim.
Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
About what.
He's a pistol, that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Heavy hitters.
Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
He's a pistol, that guy.
Back toto-back heavy hittershe's a pistol, that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Back-to-back heavy hitters dude.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Guy comes from all over Italy.
I'm jealous.
Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I'm still getting over reading his fan mail for
the first time and realizingwhat he was actually saying.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Gotta give it to him.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
I guess anything else .
John, you got anything else tosay?
I mean, we kind of we dug intothe the Christopher Columbus
saga a bit, got some fanreactions at Halloween you know,
just be safe out there ifyou're out there with your kids
yeah, hope you guys enjoy yourHalloween and hopefully we got
you guys thinking there withyour kids.
Yeah, hope you guys enjoy youryour Halloween and hopefully we
got you guys thinking about somegood costumes and hope you guys
(01:02:15):
pick a historical costume andgo to a party and be able to
teach everybody about it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
So have fun, stay safe but, even more importantly,
stay curious.
Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Alright, fans have a good one.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
And we say bye-bye.
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