130 Laughs, Lag, and Legendary Misadventures: Our Year in Review

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Ever wondered what Mussolini and Hitler have in common with a good laugh? Join us on a whimsical trip down memory lane as we recount the year-long journey of the Nailing History Podcast. From our hilariously awkward first recording to the notorious internet mishaps that plagued John's connection, we’ve had our fair share of growing pains. Toss in some peculiar historical anecdotes, like the infamous "wee-wee" tales, and you have a recipe for a podcast that’s equal parts chaotic and charming.

Take a front-row seat as we recount memorable field trips and museum escapades, from Harper's Ferry to the Museum of the American Revolution. These adventures brought unexpected hilarity, like the anticlimactic tent exhibit, and left us dreaming of future listener-led trips. Our antics don't just stop at history; our attempts at movie reviews, like the infamous Al Pacino flick, added another comedic layer to our exploration of entertainment.

As we wrap up this milestone year with 35 episodes and over 2,000 minutes of content, we're filled with gratitude for listeners like you. We’ve welcomed amazing guests such as Emily M, who helped us dive deep into iconic moments like the OJ Simpson trial. Looking ahead, we're excited to embrace more organic content, host new faces, and continue this wild, historical ride. A heartfelt thanks to our audience and special guests for fueling our passion and making this journey unforgettable—stay curious, and may your holiday season be as joyful as our escapades!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Thank you.
All right, everybody.

(00:34):
Welcome to another episode ofthe Nailing History Podcast.
That extended version of thetheme song goes out to a special
fan of ours, andrew S, who sayshow much he loves how long we
play it and how we talk abouthow long we play it every
episode.
So that goes out to him.
I'm here with John.
We're in studio here.
John is also the co-host of theshow.

(00:56):
If you guys weren't aware, it'sthe two of us Still co-hosting
guys, welcome back for anotherepisode.
I'm excited to be in studio forthe last show of the year.

(01:19):
We really couldn't have it anyother way.
Do like every podcast, likeevery other podcast from I
understand or you know, kind ofwhat I want to do, I guess, is
put together a best of but bestof moment, just a year in review
.
Basically, I know it's not afull year that we've done.
We started this thing back in,I think, march or february.

(01:40):
I guess I should haveresearched that, yeah, but but I
think our first, our firstepisode, was published on March
12th.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
March 12th, 2024.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
And um, but the our first attempt of recording went
back into February, beginning ofFebruary, um, where we really
put a, we really tried to.
It was our first effort and Idon't know I mean a lot of our
fans.
When they heard our firstpublished episode they might
have said, wow, these guys don'tknow what they're doing.
But they didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
They had no clue how much trial and error went on
before that there's a lot oftesting going and yeah, we, uh,
we saved it, though we have ourfirst effort.
Matt played it for me the otherday, kind of getting prepared
for this episode, and I don'tknow if he's got it queued up or

(02:33):
not, but maybe we could I do ofcourse I prepared, which is
something, so let's just givethe fans a little sneak peek
into the first attempt of thenailing history podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
This does get me All right.
Welcome to the first episode ofthe Nailing History Podcast.
This is your host, matt, andI'm here with my co-host, aka

(03:18):
the amateur history enthusiast,john Nice, to meet you.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
That's our first one.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
We're not meeting for the first time, in case our
listeners are wondering.
So that's pretty much how itstarted.
I know you could really tell.
You did a little work on ourdelivery a little bit and, uh,
my sound effects finger was,that was a hot trigger.
I had a hot trigger on thesound effects.
I would say, yeah, and I was.
I was caught flat footed, forsure.
I mean, we talked about it,talked about it before we put

(04:03):
the record button.
We're like, all right, this iswhat we'reed for sure.
I mean, we talked about it,talked about it before we hit
the record button.
We're like all right, this iswhat we're going to do, let's
start to prepare for it.
You know, blah, blah, blah.
And then, as soon as the recordlight turned red on my control
board, john froze like an icicleon Christmas morning.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
We got in our heads a lot, so I think that day John
got in his head a lot.
Well morning, we got in ourheads a lot.
So I think that day john got inhis head a lot.
Well, we were gonna go, I thinkmatt so actually it was all
matt came down to my house andwe were gonna do what we're
gonna record there.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
We were really excited for it.
I said to you in the for thepremise of the episode from the
for the show, I said what is onething that you want the general
american to know about history?
And you said you wanted them toknow that the states the states
made the federal government,not the other way around.
So he went on so we basicallywent in.

(04:55):
He went on a tire, so that wasour first attempt.
We stopped that and then werecorded like a 50, 50 some
minute long podcast where it wasdry.
I think I still still have it.
Nobody wants to hear it.
It was horrible.
So then we stepped back andpunted, said let's soak this in,

(05:15):
let's see what direction wewant to take this in.
So what happened was then wecame back a month later with an
idea.
Well, we didn't have an idea.
John said that he had an ideaand I think our fans know the
basic premise of how thispodcast all got started.

(05:37):
But I got a little clip here totalk about that.
Let's see if we get that.
Okay.
So you want to make a.
So you want to make a.
So you want to make a deck ofcards like a normal deck of
cards, like a casino card, but Idon't know what.
Even, yeah, playing cards,playing cards.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
It's just to use as a backstop, but you have no idea
what we're doing with it.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Then we could play Pinnacle, apparently, maybe go
fish.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I was thinking Texas Hold'em and then we could do a
thing where you deal out cardsand then you have your hand and
then you have the people shownand then, while they're being
shown, we could say somethinginteresting about them, or cool,
or noteworthy, or have adiscussion you wanna you wanna

(06:32):
have a podcast with no video,where we play Texas Hold'em and
people just listen to us playingTexas Hold'em and people just
listen to us playing Texas.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Hold'em with cards.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
So, needless to say, it was not a very well thought
out first plan of attack for apodcast where John was adamant
on not having video.
It didn't stop me.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
If I recall, and as my fiance would recall, I spent
probably five hours designingcards using Adobe Reader, pdf
Editor, whatever, making thesedigital cards, only to find out,
with the help of one of our topfans, that they already existed

(07:26):
so what john's getting to.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
we did ask for some uh input for, uh, our favorite
moments, for favorite momentsand one of a big fan, big fan of
the show, someone who actuallywas on the show, lauren G, said
that this was her favoritemoment.
So the moment where we realizedthat John's idea may not have

(07:50):
been so original.
The biggest thing, the biggestrevelation that we've had since
the first episode, is that thepack of cards that John's great
idea was based upon has alreadybeen done.
We were given the.
We were giving a linkimmediately from one of our
fellow listeners, from Amazonhe's, I believe he sent the link

(08:15):
with a followup saying do youguys do any research for this
show, which is a pretty notreally.
So you know, we're just tryingto talk, do a little bit of
research and try to just use theknowledge that we already have
to just start a conversation.
So always fact check us Ifthere's anything to prove that

(08:35):
point is that these cardsalready existed but cause?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
we like that.
Well, that shows engagement andwe really appreciate that.
Even if you're going to takethe, you know, take it out and
give us grief about it.
We appreciate the engagementbecause they that fan didn't
have to do that google search togive us crap so you know that,
uh, as you can see, nothing'sreally changed in the podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I'd say maybe our preparation has gotten a little
bit, uh, better.
Um, I still say definitelyquestion everything that we talk
about on this podcast and wewould love the input if we are
wrong about anything.
But Still ask for your factchecking.
The response of we're justgoing to use our knowledge and
not do much research has kind ofbackfired on us in the past.

(09:19):
We've had some low lightsthroughout the year, so we've
tried to improve on that and so,yeah, that's pretty much it.
That was the origin.
I mean, I don't know if anyoneremembers that's kind of how
this thing got started.
Just like quick, I just want to.
We reference this a lot when wetalk, so I just want to say it

(09:41):
Get our two teams together andnow, after all this time, maybe
we can just have a briefdiscussion of who we think
actually has the better cardsand have a little bit of a
different viewpoint.
After all this time we've beento museums, we've gone through
stuff this day in history, allthis stuff we kind of have
learned throughout the year.
So let's see if anything haschanged from our opinions, of

(10:02):
our picks.
So my picks, my aces, wereGeorge Washington and Benjamin
Franklin.
I still stand by them.
My kings were John Adams andJohn Hancock, which I got some
grief on the John Hancock, but Ithink you've come around a bit
since.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I like him.
I like him in large partbecause he was responsible for
giving a commission or signing acommission for one of my top
cards, jack to do his Cachusco.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, don't wait until I tell you the Jacks.
But yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
So I did come around to him.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
He's a good king.
I like him.
So now, john, your aces wereThomas Jefferson and Alexander
Hamilton, which is fine, we'renot fans of.
Alexander Hamilton, but you gotto give him the ace.
Stand by Kings were JamesMadison and Patrick Henry.
I don't like either of those,to be honest, for a king.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, I think Madison , in hindsight, was a little too
flip-floppy on a few things.
I didn't really know where hestood.
He was one way one year andanother day, another year.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
We'll have to listen back and see if I believe, I
told you that when you pickedhim.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's quite possible.
And Patrick Henry?
I think he was just too much ofa heavyweight in his own state
alone.
I believe I said that too.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
So you're saying I'm right.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
You're on this one.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'll give it to you For Queens, which we just did
the Women of the AmericanRevolution.
I did Abigail Adams and MollyPitcher.
I like those.
You know they're two heavyhitters, john.
You're Queens.
Deborah Sampson and Mercy OtisWarren.
Deborah Sampson and Mercy OtisWarren.
Deborah Sampson's cool.
She's the woman who dressed uplike a man to collect a pension,

(11:51):
and Mercy Otis Warren was theone who wrote the history book
on the American Revolution.
That's a fitting pick for you,I would say.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I'd say so yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
And my jacks were Nathaniel Green and John Jay.
I know where you stand onJohnny Jay.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
That's a drop.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I mean he's a little high.
I feel like he's up there injust his impact, positive or
negative.
We learned a little bit abouthim being a free tradesman, eh,
with the British, yeah, which ishe kind of bent over for the
British though, which you know Idon't like, but I think he just

(12:29):
made a big.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Federalist paper.
Yeah, you can keep.
So he was a.
He was a Jack, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, your Jacks were Roger Sherman and Taduz K
Kustusko.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I mean, obviously you could choose.
I can't put him in king status,but I got to stand by him and I
think I've brought you on boardto him as well.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I think Tadouz Kustusko might be my version of
John Hancock.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
You've come around to him.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I think I've come around to him.
I think I've come around to him.
I think you said it was such astretch for me to pick John
Hancock as a king, and I saidthat.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Kachushko.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, now, we've talked about this in the past
too.
I think I don't think hequalifies as a founding father.
Still, I mean, this was apurpose for the founding fathers
.
I just don't know if hequalifies as a founding father.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Let me I can't stand for that.
I still don't buy it.
He is the reason we won, partlythe reason we won the
Revolutionary War.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
So was Nathaniel Green.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, he was his engineer, I don't know.
Just because he didn't stayaround after the battle, does
that make you any less of a fan?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
What I like about Tadeusz Kaczusko is that you
like him so much and he is somuch like me, so I like that
about him.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Your Polish is very good.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
So yeah, so that was fun.
I remember that that was a goodtime, but time was Spent so
much time on these cards.
Time was really ticking away,though we were like, oh my God,
we already have these cards done.
How much longer can we do this?
We're getting pressure from thefans saying you got to get
yourself out of the 18th century.
I'm sick of it.
And we don't know where we'regoing with the podcast.

(14:22):
But it we don't know, and wedon't know where we're going
with the podcast.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Um so, but like we just keep kept progressing, I
think you know we kind of gotinto a little bit of a wave of
some uh, this week in historiesI think we wanted to tie it into
something not current but yeah,by having it at least relate to
something that you know whathappened this day 100 years ago,
200 years ago just to make itmore present, as opposed to just
randomly talking about playingcards and yeah, and it kind of

(14:52):
gave us a chance to go aroundtimelines and and places in
history.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
So, um, it was fun.
It was fun.
I mean, um, just obviously wecan't go through everything, but
we have, John and I gottogether and we put a list of
some.
We put a list of some of thehighlights that we think were
our favorite moments.
I was telling John today.
I said you know how whensomebody says Nothing makes you

(15:19):
feel less exciting.
Less interesting is whensomebody asks you for an
interesting fact about yourself.
Well, I certainly felt that waywhere it's like man, nothing
makes you feel like you haveless hits of a podcast than
trying to find the hits of theshow.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And I will say we had some, but I chuckle at every
time.
Every top one we want to talkabout it brought a chuckle to me
.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
We've had some hiccups.
I think everyone's aware of thetechnical difficulties that
we've run in from time to time,be it John's internet.
I remember one time we wererecording and the power just
went out of my apartment for noreason, and that was it.
We lost that whole.
We lost the whole thingentirely.
Nothing saved.
But probably one of the biggestand most frustrating things was

(16:14):
using this service calledDescript.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I think the relationship between Descript
and Squadcast has beenunceremoniously terminated.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
We've had a bit of an issue.
You kind of have to backdooryour way into Squadcast now
through Descript.
It's very bizarre.
We've had so many hiccups thatI can't even name them all.
Lost episodes, john's stuff notuploading, me having to.
I always record with a backup,just so many things and it's fun
, though it gives a hard time.

(16:47):
John finally.
And then, just as an update,john finally updated.
He got, he got lightning fastinternet down in maryland and uh
, I think we've recorded one ortwo episodes with that.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
We haven't had any issues yet, so it's been great.
So so yeah, so that's uh youknow, that's, that's what.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
So let's just get into, let's just go through.
Let's just go through a couplehere.
One of my favorites and it'sjust kind of been a stupid goofy
running theme since one of theyear in, since one of our this
Week in Histories was Mussolinithe execution of what's his
first name, benito Mussolini.
The execution of what's hisfirst name, benito.

(17:27):
Mussolini and you know, it'sjust here, we'll just, I'll just
get.
I think this is the first.
Let me, let me make sure thatthis is the first one here.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
they basically took his body and his mistress.
They killed both of them at thesame time, put them like seven
bullets in, both of themsubmachine gun.
They drove them to a square inMilan and basically just dumped
their bodies in the middle ofthis plaza, so like all the
public was there, and then a mobkind of started forming and
people were like peeing on themand like throwing food on them
and like spitting on them andlike kicking his face in.

(18:02):
I mean it was bad.
I mean there's some, you know Iwon't.
There's some.
It's a PG podcast, but if youjust go on like the, even on the
Wikipedia page it showed likehis body in the examiners.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Did they see his ding-a-ling?
Probably but not in thepictures they have.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I was worried about that would be my guess.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
So then, like he was burned immediately, but they say
that word had gotten to him,that how, how muslim he died and
was like he's like I ain'thappening to me.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, I don't want to be.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
That's pretty nuts.
Yeah, I bet that's whathappened.
For sure he didn't want them tosee his little thingy.
So there's the.
So that's kind of the, thepremise of what's going on then
I guess the next week, so that.
So that was one week of talkingabout benito mussolini, but
then I think, the next this weekin history that we did, you
picked another benito mussolinistory and this was about the

(18:54):
blood pact between between, uh,germany and italy, and basically
what we gathered was that thereason for the blood pact was so
that Hitler, they wanted to seeHitler's wee, wee, they became
wee wee bros.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, so just let me do uncover that this reason, one
of that, one of the call out ofpact of blood, was they wanted
to make that agreement that ifeither one of them was captured
or killed by the enemy, that theother one, uh, would be see to
it that their wee wee was notexposed, and they would in fact

(19:32):
have themselves burned, a lotburned.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I actually did some research.
That was the brother plaqued.
I did do some research andHitler, his junk was all messed
up, right so that was.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's kind of just been a running theme I'll just
drop that in.
Even in casual conversationoutside of the outside of the,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
So what I wanted to do I did real quick a little
compilation of, of our we.
We talk throughout the,throughout the, throughout the
podcast.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Everyone saw Mussolini's wee-wee.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Mussolini had his wee-wee exposed the wee-wee
agreement, as we call it thewee-wee agreement.
We learned how Hitler wasscared for people to see his
wee-wee when he got killed.
No mustache probably.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Mustache is probably very small.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Along with his wee-wee Butt naked wee-wee show.
This is like over broadcastyeah, like showing their wee-wee
Basically be showing everyonetheir wee-wee, show their
wee-wee.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
But your wee-wee is still showing, sticking their
wee wee, but your wee wee stillshows sticking a bamboo, shoot
up your wee, wee.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I just think if you had like a crowd of people
laughing at somebody's wee weein front of everybody unless
they have a nice wee wee we'lljust start with showing their
wee wee.
Everybody will see your littlewee-wee.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
You will get the Mussolini treatment, oh boy.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I just thought that was pretty funny to put that
together.
Oh boy, it's pretty good whenyou put them all together in one
little thing.
It doesn't sound as mature.
I feel like we talked about itso much.
It's pretty good when you putthem all together in one little
thing.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
It doesn't sound as mature.
I feel like we talked about itso much.
Actually, when I hear I knowthere was a recent thing I think
Biden just commuted a bunch ofsentences and I'm thinking, oh
no, now they're not going tohave their wee-wee show.
I feel like we talked about itso much.
I thought that was actuallycapital punishment.
At this point in our country Iwas like, oh right, oh no, they
kill people.
They don't show their wee-wees.
That's not a thing yet.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
I mean I can't man.
Anytime you talk about Hitleror Mussolini, I mean, the first
thing I think about is theirwee-wee, like it being exposed.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Not like an intimate setting, obviously Exposed to
the public, of course.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
So I hope the fans think the same way.
I hope, if I just hope that ifone thing that people take away
from this podcast is that ifanyone were to ever bring up
Hitler, mussolini, the firstthing you talk about is one
Hitler's junk was all messed upand to Mussolini's we was
exposed when he died, and Stalinwe don't.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
We're not sure.
I think he would have been fineshit being shown.
But he was the man of steel.
Maybe didn't care that much, hewas out of the pack.
They had that pack and thenthey the robentroff packed and I
think maybe hitler said I havephotos of your wee wee.
And then stalin got reallyupset with him and then that's

(22:39):
possible one another?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
um, yeah, I mean um, let's see what else we got here.
I one of my favorite, one of myfavorite episodes that we did
was the?
Um was the uh after uh trump.
The former president trump, nowpresident-elect trump was
assassinated, shot and attemptedto say yeah sorry attempted
assassination.
We went through some of theother assassinations and

(23:04):
assassination attempts inhistory that you may not have
heard of.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
That was one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
I know we had a trivia moment last week.
John wasn't there, but we had atrivia moment where I thought
it was going to come into play.
Long story short, but thepeople who we were playing with
Actually I was with four people,three other people, there's
four of us total Two of themavid listeners knew what I was
talking about.

(23:31):
One of them although a guest onthe show, not as much of a
listener, I think he knows whohe is Didn't know that William
McKinley was assassinated.
Really Did not know.
So that was so, that was so.
It was pretty cool, pretty coolmoment.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
You know you always love that.
That's kind of what we do thisfor.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Well, we'll get into.
We won't get into that.
But one of our favorite guy,one of our favorite assassins,
um was a not bought guy by thename of Charles Gouteau.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Well, he would say he wasn't an assassin.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's true.
Well, we'll get to that.
So let's just listen to what wehad to say about Mr Gouteau, a
little bit of his post-arrestbehavior.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
He didn't do well, dictated an autobiography to the
New York Herald, ending it witha personal ad for a nice
Christian lady under 30.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
He was totally oblivious After he got arrested
yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I want to like wait a court.
This guy, he's like saying,like he's, like he's shooting
his shot, like given his likegiven, like a dating profile
shout out out there he receivedample media attention during his
trial for his bizarre behavior,including constantly insulting
his defense team, formatting histestimony, epic poems which he
recited at length and solicitinglegal advice from random

(24:53):
spectators in the audience viapast notes I mean this guy, I
he's a loser, but he soundspretty awesome I don't think
there used to be a movie about Iwatched all documentary about
this guy there should be a

Speaker 1 (25:12):
movie about this guy dude this is funny to me, I
don't know, insulting his owndefense team, talking in poems
like a totally oblivious to theamerican public's outrage and
hatred of him, even after he wasalmost killed twice yeah hey,

(25:35):
sometimes ignorance is bliss,you gotta say, and even he said,
garfield was killed not by him,but by medical malpractice.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
So even he called it like he saw it?

Speaker 4 (25:43):
No, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
It says, quote I deny the killing.
If your honor please, we admitthe shooting.
So he also spoke in the thirdperson, meaning he had other
voices in his head.
Under the felony murder rule,this guy freaking rules, dude.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I love this guy.
I got to be honest.
I mean it's not cool, but man,that's awesome.
This guy's a freaking pistol.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Seriously, famously danced his way up to the gallows
and waved at the audience,shook his hands with his
executioner and, as a lastrequest, recited a poem that he
had written called, quote, I'mgoing to the Lordy.
He requested an orchestra toplay as he sang the poem.
It was denied, as per request,with the executioner Gatteau
signaled that he was ready todie by dropping the paper.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
You see what we're missing by having these federal
death penalty people beingcommuted.
I mean we're missing somequality entertainment here.
Also not having the executionspublic.
We're missing a qualityentertainment here Also not
having the executions public.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
We're missing a lot.
Yeah, I feel like a lot morepeople would want to be
interested in capital crime ifyou told them you had a break.
In doing it, you had a breakdance up to the gallow you had a
break dance into the Capitalpunishment you mean not capital
crime.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
If you're interested in the capital crime, that would
mean you're interested incommitting the crime.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
That's the crime that gives you the capital
punishment.
But if you had to break danceinto your chair, I just feel
like he was calling America'sbluff.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
He's like fine, if you want to kill me, I'm just
going to take it alllighthearted, I'm not going to
take this seriously.
I think he felt like if he wassomber about it and was upset
and everything, I think he wouldmaybe feel as though the
American public won and thatJames Garfield I think he was
just pissed.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
He didn't get a job.
Yeah, he was mad at James.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Garfield.
He was mad at James Garfieldbecause he didn't get a job
Right.
Yeah, that's a pretty good one.
I like that one.
That was a fun one.
This is a little bit of atouchy subject in the history of
the podcast.
I think this was another thisWeek in History.
John had a.
His.

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This Week in History was anevent that happened during the
Civil War with a.
I guess you could consider hima.
Some might say that this was acontroversial hero of the Civil
War.
It was about a man named NathanBedford Forrest and he got
himself into a little hot waterin.

(28:13):
Where was this?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
You don't remember what battle or anything the
Battle of Shiloh, I think that'swhat it was.
Anyway, john was nice enough tospend all the time to type into
chat GPT for them to create arecall of the events that
happened on this day in thevoice of Tony Montana from the
movie Scarface.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Scarface.
I don't know if you wanted meto read it.
We don't have to do it.
Read it All right, so checkthis out.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I do love your Scarface.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I love this water running in the back.
Tony Montana See earlier in thebattle, forrest is leading his
men into the fray, chargingahead like a madman like me,
tony Mantagna.
But then, out of nowhere, bam,a bullet comes whizzing past,
hitting Forrest square in theback.
Now most guys would drop like asack of potatoes, right, but
not Forrest.
Nah, he's made of tougher stuffBig cojones.

(29:18):
The bullet it doesn't kill him,but it lodged right in his
spine.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
I ad-libbed some of it.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Shock waves of pain to his body.
I did Would be done for, butnot for us.
He's got this insane willpower,this determination to keep on
fighting, no matter what, likeme, tony Montana, montana.
And what does he do?
He pushes through the pain,keeps leading his men, and when

(29:43):
he sees that Union soldier, heain't about to let his little
thing, like a bullet in hisspine, slow him down.
He picks him up, uses him as ahuman shield, like a badass of
hell.
That's the kind of stuff thecojones you need when you're
dealing with that.
And that's what Bedford Forrestdid to Shiloh, and he said

(30:05):
hello to all his little friends,as he had a mangled Union
soldier by his side.
Is that it?

Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's it.
That was good man.
I had to mute myself, so yeah,that was fun.
I do remember that that wasgood.
That was good.
I don't know why you can't sayTony Montana, but Tony Montaigne
makes it even funnier.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Isn't that the water boy?

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, joe Montana instead of Joe Montana.
Oh, this was probably.
So.
Our most popular episode, ourbiggest hit of an episode of the
year, was when we had a guesthost, emily M, come on and we
talked about the infamous OJSimpson alleged murderer or can
you even say that Because he wasfound not guilty, but then he

(30:48):
was found guilty in a civiltrial.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think as long as there's air.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
quotes let's just say the hijinks that OJ was up to
in the early 90s.
We had a four-part episodeabout it and the first part of
that was our most highlydownloaded episode.
I think we have 87 downloads ofthat one, which is Wow.
I remember that day when wewere just.
Every time I checked my phoneit was more and more downloads

(31:13):
every time.
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Really got the word out on that one.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
So I picked, I think, emily M.
I think this was her favoritemoment.
When we first released it, shesaid like, oh, this is my
favorite moment.
I thought and I think a lot ofpeople thought this was.
I thought this was going to bethe moment that we could look at
in a year from now and say thisis what got us to 10,000
listeners an episode.
So let's listen to this realquick.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
And OJ said her dress was inappropriate and how's she
gonna dress when she's agrandma?
This is how she's dressing now.
Kato feels really awkward andsays can I go use the jacuzzi?
That's how he ended thatconversation.
And oj was like okay, use thejacuzzi.
He had never used it before.
That was the first time he'dever used it.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Oh man, yeah, tight dress.
Hey, you mind if I use thejacuzzi.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Might get a little soaking in the jacuzzi.
Hey man, you're gonna make.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
You're gonna make a great grandma.
No, he's talking to OJ.
You could be my grandma any day.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I don't even know, did he talk like that?
I just assume he's like a soCal, like Well, he's like a
SoCal.
Well, he's from Wisconsin.
Oh, yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
He might grab my day.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
That conversation definitely went way.
It wasn't.
That's not all that was said.
I feel like he's like what doyou mean?
My grandma wears a tight dress.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Dude, wake up, it's the 90s.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Oh boy.
So yeah, I mean that was one ofthe many highlights of the
pretty much the Kato and OJ side, like that was the best part.
I mean going to McDonald's thejacuzzi, the jacuzzi, going to
McDonald's the one with theelectrical host, him being the
person that basically got OJcaught for messing up his

(33:10):
timeline getting a Big Mac.
Yeah, he didn't get it.
He got filet of fish, I think,yeah that's.
But like OJ, like got a Big Macand ate it in like two bites.
Kato said that's what.
Like that was what really threwhim off for the whole night.
Well, you see him behaving anydifferent, kato.
Well, he ate a Big Mac in twobites, but I know there was some

(33:33):
late for a date.
Late for a date was anotherquality like little snippet from
there.
That was Nicole's license platenumber.
That was a good one.
We think that that might havebeen why it was because she was
late for.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
She will never be late for a date again.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, he's like I forget how we we've twisted that
around, where it was like anegative thing on her, where my,
where emily m thought it wascute.
We thought it was more of likea warning shot warned, fairly
fair warning.
If you're late for a date, likethe car I bought you, yeah,
things happen these will happenuh, the whole, the whole

(34:18):
situation, with her making funof him because he can't swim and
he's going to be a frog man orsomething.
Wasn't that a whole thing downin cabo?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
show got canceled before it even got aired.
Yeah, pilot episode, that wasgreat.
Where do we end with that?
We didn't even end up gettingto the trial, right.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
No, we're kind of holding off on the trial We'll
have to get.
I think we'll have to do topopular demand I think most
people want.
Based on our episode downloadtrend, it seems like most people
want Emily and back on the show.
I mean there's some otherthings like.
I mean I don't know if I needto play any clips from these,
but we had some fun times, somefield trips, some nailing

(35:01):
history field trips.
I think maybe one of these dayswe were kind of talking, maybe
we could kind of put together anorganized field trip charge for
it, maybe make some money on it.
Charge admission we could justtake them around.
Everyone can experience thelack of planning that john does
and, uh, the headaches that comealong with it.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Top six fans.
First six fans, top sixentrance get 50 discount.
We'll put that well.
You can cash that check today.
Anyone signs up today?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
yeah, sending us a text and like and we'll just, um
, yeah, first six people to sendus a text gets 50 off of a trip
to some, wherever we decide itwould be interesting at that
time, and we'll take you guysaround and act like we're the
experts on something and we'renot.
So, oh, that'd be kind of fun,I mean john.
So I the there's pretty muchthree field trips that we went

(35:52):
on.
So we went to harper's ferry tocheck out john brown and all of
his nonsense down there theraid that terrorist.
Um, then we have the americanthe, the.
What is it?
The museum of the americanrevolution is that the official
that was back in march aprilapril.
That was right around easter,and then we went to the tadeusz

(36:14):
kuszczuszko Museum.
We're closed for this season,so how would you rank those in
terms of overall entertainmentfactor?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Oh man, there are some highlights to all three for
sure.
Dead Fish Hands was great fromthe American Museum, the
American Revolution.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
That tent escapade.
Yeah, yeah, I got actually aclip here.
You want to?
You want to hear?
You want to hear our first,please, our first discussion of
the tent.
Anyway, it was dumb and it waslike five minutes long.
And then, with no build-upwhatsoever at all, they lift the
screen, the screenautomatically retracts and, uh,
there it is, the tent, and it'slike it's like the music, it's

(37:04):
like oh, and like this lightshow, and like you can kind of
see inside of it.
To some point I was like, isthis still a video?
Like I was kind of confused andno, there was no.
Like oh, this is where this was.
It was just like a bunch oflike light show and this
heavenly music coming fromwherever, and then couldn't take

(37:27):
any pictures, don't forget.
And then you know, that was it.
I don't know if we weresupposed to be impressed with it
or what.
You couldn't go up to it, youcouldn't see it, it was behind
glass and all that it was was afreaking piece of canvas.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
The fact that like this is just like so.
Oh man, it was such a let down.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I think Washington would be upset with the cult of
personality that the museum hadof him and other people but him
in particular, especiallybecause he was a disinterested
statesman who did things forduty, and when he served his
duty he went back to his farm.
They called him out to bepresident.
He served his duty again.
Like the guy was duty bound.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I just had to leave that.
I know like it.
You know, I just had to leavethat in there because of how
many times now will John talkabout how George Washington was
duty bound?
Are you starting to see a trend, at least?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
We probably could splice up a little something.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Maybe, we'll get a little, but yeah, so that was
good, I mean that was the mostdisappointing.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I mean, I think we went into that with high hopes.
I think that was our issue withthat museum.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
They only needed was a silhouette.
They could have brought thelights up.
I was thinking about this Bringthe lights up and then just
have a silhouette of him in thetent.
Yeah, like that's the cast,like the contract.
Oh, here's the bedroom.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Oh, here's the bedroom, here's where he did
this.
He would write letters.
There's nothing.
They spent so much time on themovie where they basically just
blasted Robert E Lee for havingit.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Then it wound up in Robert E Lee's family.
Yeah, because they were related.
Yeah, it was a relation.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
It was pretty wild.
I mean, that was sodisappointing and I really truly
Because it was so stupid thatthey were like you can't take
pictures because the flash willruin the fabric, the canvas, but
then they're flashing lights onit for the show.
I truly think they didn't wantpeople taking pictures so that
other people would see how lameit is they would lose out on

(39:24):
that money.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, we just wouldn't go.
Yeah, it was the highlight ofthe museum and for like it's
still, there.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
If anyone wants to go see it.
It's there till february 2025.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I think that tent that day was a highlight.
Harper's Ferry was a good time.
Parking was great.
Parking was classic.
What did we do?
Walking around Harper's Ferrywas cool.
It was a really pretty day.
We went on a hike.
That was nice.
You know, I really wish we sawa little more consideration from

(39:57):
some of the attendees of theNational Park Hat wearers and
such, and yeah, just you know, Ithink we learned a valuable
lesson in just being considerate.
That day especially was hot.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think it was July, it was really hot out, because
everyone was just kind of onedge.
I think it was June, actually Idon't know if it was July yet
it was the beginning of thesummer it was hot.
It was hot.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
It.
It was hot, it was hot, it washot.
That was fun though.
And then, yeah, to do Skachusko.
I think seeing that NationalPark Ranger.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, the little mini me park ranger on our way to
the smallest national park.
That was classic.
It was fun talking to thosepeople, I mean the people, the
park rangers in there.
It was funny to hear they'relike yeah, I don't, it's it's an
easy day.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
It's an easy day, it's cute it's a cute.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
We got their kachusko day.
I don't know I'm hungover, Ijust, you know, enjoy, basically
it's funny.
Um, and I just I mean, Ithought the kachusko museum was
just.
I don't think I was pleasantlysurprised because I kind of
exactly how I pictured it, butit was cool to learn about that
guy.
It was interesting.

(41:04):
That was an interesting day.
I got to give it to John.
It was a bit of a One of thefew times where I'm like wrong
about something or I'll at leastadmit it.
Yeah, I'm wrong a lot.
I try to, especially if I'mwrong about something.
Or I'll at least admit it.
Yeah, I'm wrong a lot.
I try to, especially if I'mwrong about opinion, opinion
being wrong, opinion based.
I'm not good at admitting thatI'm wrong, so I did for that one

(41:27):
because I thought that you knowI got him up to being a 10 in
your, in your, in your cards, inyour deck of cards I think so.
I think I said he wasn't a phase, so I gotta tip myself my cap
for that one.
We did my citizenship test.
Well, no, so the citizenshiptest, I got a 72 out of a 100,

(41:49):
which would have passed me.
C's get degrees.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Passports.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
You didn't think I was going to pass but I did.
I did poor in in government butI did okay and everything else
um, we had.
And then, you know, in the samevein, we had a trivia showdown.
Mark c hosted us a triviashowdown where we went through
um, the history channel triviagame and there were a couple,

(42:15):
there were a couple goodquestions on there.
I think I think one.
I'll just I'll play a couple ofthem here, a couple of my
favorites here the noble clansMinamoto and Tyra clash TARA.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Minamoto and Tara.
So just use your racism.
Guess Minamoto and Tara.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
So just use your racism to see what you can guess
.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Minamoto and Tayara.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I don't know, I guess South Africa.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Japan.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, they're Asian names, were they?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Minamoto, you pronounced them're Asian names.
Obviously Were they Well youdidn't Minamoto, oh you
pronounced them wrong.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
You said oh Minamoto, oh, what the?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Oh, what the?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Minamoto.
I washed my hands.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
You led me astray on that.
How did you pronounce Minamoto?
Minamoto, I was thinking likeMinamoto.
Oh, I guess that's Chinese.
I was thinking tribal.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
You didn't do it right.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Get a little heated there.
You remember that one.
I remember being completelybroadside.
I thought it was definitely anAfrican nation.
I did not understand thequestion, pretty funny.
And then one John, when we didour little pre-show for this one

(43:46):
John.
He just loves how wrong I wason this answer and he wanted me
to bring this up again.
Closest to Africa.
What US state?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
is closest to Africa.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I want to say my guess is North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
What.
How can North Carolina beclosest to Africa?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I feel like North Carolina is the furthest out
west or east, isn't it?
No?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
it's not even close what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (44:16):
It's pretty far it bulges out, doesn't it?
No, it's not even close.
What are you talking about?
It's pretty far it bulges out,doesn't it?
No, yeah, it does.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
It's not the US bulges out, I'm done with it.
That's a terrible guess.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
So the answer was Maine.
John got it right.
I do want to read I guess Iread this on air, but I'll read
it again Fan mail that we got.
Thought I'd listen to John andstay curious.
Regarding the North Carolinaanswer, I can confirm that Quadi
Head, Maine, is 3,154 milesfrom Morocco, making it the

(44:48):
closest state to Africa.
Cape Hatteras, North Carolina,is 3,625 miles from Morocco.
It's not even the closest statebelow the Mason-Dixon line.
Nice try, Matt Signed, DickPepperfield.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I'm looking at a map.
The whole state of New Jerseyis further east than North.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Carolina.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I just had this picture that there's a big hump
around North Carolina and I justthought I still go by.
There's no way.
It's like the argument.
I cut it.
I cut off the whole.
I cut off the, the rest of theargument that we had.
But, like my thought was, theyou had, the you have from Maine

(45:28):
, you also have to go South.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
You do have to go South, but if the very tip of
Morocco, for instance, likethat's pretty high up, that's
basically europe, is it?
Yeah, southern spain, okaystraight to gibraltar.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, I don't know my geography, which I think was
how I ended that quote that Icut a little short, for here was
I told you, I think geographyso, and I do, I still had you
said florida, you wouldn't gotas roasted you think?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
yeah, because it's a peninsula, it's jetting out and
it actually on a map.
Now that I don't know if it's ascale, it does look.
It could be pretty close tosenegal, but yeah, that was a
highlight.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
That was a highlight for john because I was wrong, so
correct.
Um, I think that I mean, youknow, I'm sure, I'm sure we're
missing some highlights here andthere.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I hope we are because there's not that many Still
sending us a text.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Man, yeah, we did ask for it.
We asked for input and we gotnone, so that's what we were
stuck to, another week left inthe 2020-2024.
Which, speaking of that, let'sgo to the lowlights.
We had a couple lowlights thatI would say, a couple episodes
where we recorded and thenafterwards just kind of thought,
wow, we didn't do too good of ajob there and the feedback was

(46:45):
less than positive, which, hey,we still appreciate it.
Just to name a few, when wetried to review the movie
Revolution, I just think moviereviews.
I mean just movie reviews ingeneral.
Our review of the bridge ofspies was just not good.
Our fans said that.
I just remember it being notgood.

(47:05):
I enjoyed the film.
The film was good.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
You didn't even remember we watched it three
days ago I, I thought, Iremember that I thought the true
story was better than what themovie, how the movie depicted it
.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Well, I remember you, you being hellbent on that.
But yeah, so just movies ingeneral.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
It is way harder than you would think I still
remember when you first calledme, though, and your sister said
oh, you know what you guys cando.
You can do movie reviews andyou were so excited.
I remember sitting outsideSummertime's hot out.
You were really excited.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
It definitely wasn't summertime, but that's fine, it
was.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
April, spring.
Yeah, it was nice weather out.
You were really excited aboutit.
I'm like yeah, sure.
And then I found that Al Pacinomovie.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I'm like this is going to be great.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, it's going to make itself.
Episode's going to sail.
Fans are going to love it.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
We've recorded that episode twice, if you remember,
we did it once and it was liketwo hours.
Our summary and review of themovie was two hours long for a
movie that I don't even thinkhit 90 minutes.
No, it was.
Was it long it?

Speaker 2 (48:08):
was long.
It was directed by the same guythat did Chariots of Fire.
It was a snooze fest.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
The movie was really bad.
I hope we talked somebody intowatching it, though.
It was an enjoyable bad.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Anytime.
If any of our fans ever hear ussay do you want to get some
eats?

Speaker 1 (48:26):
I mean you have to watch the movie if you want to
get the reference.
Just Al Pacino doing a New York, long Island accent during the
American Revolution.
It was insane.
It was an insane film.
It was insane Making ropeinsane film.
It was insane Making rope.
Just having a battle that neverhappened in Valley Forge just
being completely historicallyinaccurate.
It was just everywhere you lookat it.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I guess it was fitting.
I don't feel as bad as thatbeing one of our worst episodes,
because the movie was that poor.
Yeah, but it was.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
I remember the bimetallism talk was a bit of a
snooze.
Well, I think you really hedidn't do too good of a job.
I remember having to do a bunchof editing on that Wizard of Oz
.
Yeah, the Wizard of Oz stuffwas cool.
We barely talked about that.
It was mostly you ramblingabout bimetallism, the pardons
episode, which is recent, andwe've gotten a little bit of

(49:14):
some negative reviews from that.
So you know, we're alwaystrying and they can't all be
bangers, as me and John wouldsay.
Every time we pretty much everytime we end an episode, there's
just a little bit of a I don'teven know what to say.
It's like you, justdisappointment, like you get it
so amped up before we recordthese things right and then once

(49:35):
it's done, you're just likewell, like that's it.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, I guess that's it.
I say stay curious, and thenyou're probably like I'm brain
dead with the listener staycurious.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Well, I would if you didn't put me to sleep for two
hours talking about silver andgold um, but yeah, so they can't
all be good, I think probably,thank God, the one thing that we
avoided is John.
So, again, when we were talkingabout after these cards we
didn't have, we didn't know whatwe wanted to do, we didn't know
what direction we were going togo.

(50:08):
So we were doing a couple, ifyou remember, a couple episodes
we were looking at like are wegoing to watch Liberty Kids?
The.
PBS children's show that aaroncarter did the theme song for um
.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
We were going to do that we were like do we want to
make it more serious, do we wantto make it more slapsticky, or
do we want to try to find a wayto incorporate more highbrow?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
so in one episode academic stuff so one episode,
we did both and just want to uh,I don't know, john, I don't
know if you remember.
Here's a here's your, here'syour, uh, here's your pitch for
for covering your book.
I'll be in seed.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Uh, I actually didn't find it.
It's one of the podcasts Ilistened to.
Uh, I actually didn't find it.
One of the podcasts I listen toit's by the same author who
wrote that book on the foundingfathers, who our good friend and
fan, dj TJ, does not approve of.
But I heard about the book fromthat gentleman and it sounded

(51:13):
super interesting, so I went outand got it and so, yeah, it's
called Albion Seed for BritishFolkways in America and it's
pretty.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
By the way, you can tell that this was an episode
where we had some technicaldifficulties with our remote
recording because the soundquality I mean you can hear it
just sounds hard.
You can hear I don't know,maybe because we have headphones
on right now, but you can hearall that ambient noise.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
It.
I don't know, maybe because wehave headphones on right now,
but you can hear all thatambient noise.
It was recorded in a tin canBeastly book.
It's about 900 pages.
It's written by this author, aprofessor up in New England.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Can you imagine, are you reading a 900-page book?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Can you imagine being a listener to a podcast and
sitting in traffic on 76 on theway into the city of
philadelphia, and this is whatyou're being subjected to um and
so I just found it kind ofinteresting, kind of pre a lot
of this stuff predates therevolution and that and whatnot,
and it really does a deep diveof these four english-speaking

(52:13):
groups that had very diverse andvery different perspectives and
culture, ways and religion.
Almost most importantly, Veryimportant.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
I guess I got a lot more jaded over the year and so
then the author makes.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
The claim is that, even though you know we don't
have a lot of the same, you knowaspects of the religion that
they maybe promoted.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I do cut you off.
Let me see it's on the bookReally interesting.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I thought of Spectrum .
We could try to go a littledeeper on it.
Matt was a little uncertain andunsure when he started reading
it.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
I got a text from him saying he doesn't know if he's
up to snuff to read this book.
I don't think I'm smart enough.
Let me just.
Let me just cut in here.
If our listeners, if John'sdescription of that got you guys
excited and thinking that, thisis a very fun and entertaining
book to read.
Let me just I was able to readthe prelude and the introduction

(53:15):
of this book, and the preludeis a history of history.
He goes through the history ofhistory.
Like historical studies.
There couldn't be anything moreboring than learning about how
study the study, the history ofstudying of history, has
progressed through the years.

(53:36):
It was like a page.
It wasn't even the introduction.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
It was too long, dude .

Speaker 1 (53:42):
So then, just to wrap that whole thing up, I just
thought it'd be funny I went andgrabbed an example of how
boring the preface of AlbionSeed.
I kept saying prelude, butthat's like part of a song or
like the story.
Yeah, preface is just like.
So I read an excerpt.
If you remember, I read anexcerpt from the preface.
Here we go.

(54:02):
Five are now in draft.
It centers on a major problemin American historiography,
historiography.
Historiography, historiographyyeah, that's the study of
history.
It's about the problem ofcultural origins.
The second volume of AmericanPlantations studies the problems
of culture and environment inthe colonial era.

(54:24):
The third volume examines thecoming of independence as a
cultural movement.
Volume 4 takes up the problemof cultural change in the early
republic and volume 5 is aboutthe civil war as a cultural
conflict.
Other volumes will follow if thehuther is allowed to complete
them I don't think he actuallywrote a book entitled american

(54:44):
plantations, didn't?
Happen.
Who's allowing him to dowhatever?
It's a free country.
You could have written um, whatdoes that mean?
So yeah, so uh, it's just funny, I don't know.
It's just have you ever pickedup that book again no, I think
again, I'm my kindle.
I texted you I've I don't usemy kindle, I I haven't been

(55:08):
reading as much as I should be.
Full disclosure, just ingeneral, and I got I started
trying to dust off my kindle,which I don't technically, I
don't really even like using aKindle, but it just makes sense
to use it, I guess, because it'stime and place for sure.
So I bought Wicked the novelbecause I went to see it and I

(55:30):
wanted to read the book.
My sister said the book wasbetter than the play.
She never saw the movie but shesaw it on Broadway.
She said she enjoyed the book alot and the plus, she saw it on
Broadway.
She never saw the movie but shesaw it on Broadway, said she
enjoyed the book a lot and theBroadway play was a bit of a
disappointment.
So I bought the book and I'mlike I don't want anyone seeing
me carrying it.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, so that's a good use of the Kindle book.
We're discreet.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Yeah, but that's not the only reason why I did it.
I was kind of just like, yeah,I want to get it, I want to use
this Kindle, I have it here.
I never use it.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
About 30 pages on another founding father.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, francis Marion, and then.
So then I went to load this upand I lost a bunch of books on
my Kindle and I texted John,it's like almost a Kindle.
I forget what the wording wasexactly, but I said I'm losing.
I lost the Francis Marion bookoff of my Kindle.
I think the Kindle's finallyrealizing that I'm all talk.
It's learning, it'sself-learning.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
It's going to do an update.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
It says this guy doesn't know how to read, I'm
pretty sure.
So I lost that.
I lost that.
I lost the Francis Marion bookand I lost the.
I think I lost Albion Seed too,because I did download that on
the.
Yeah Well, that's not much of amiss, but then some random ones
, I don't know, I don't know.
I got to go back into it.
Do you use the app Goodreads?
I don't.

(56:43):
I've seen it.
It's like a social media typeNot social media, but it's a way
to follow your friends and seewhat they're reading.
Really, yeah, they had a bigthing.
Was that an assassin himself,Luigi Maggione?
They were reading his Goodreadreviews.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
It was part of his character on the internet.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I think they were saying that he was commenting on
Ted Kaczynski's memoir.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Oh yeah, One of his books.
I saw that.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I just went away from that one.
I feel like how could?
And I think there was, likethere were some like uh, god,
what I want to say like agencieswho, under who like, were
looking out for him.
But if anybody would ever makea review of, like ted
kaczynski's book where it's likethis guy actually made some
pretty good points, even if hemay have and like whatever, like

(57:36):
that person should immediatelybe put on some kind of list.
If you have, you can think it,and I'm sure you do, john, you
can think it.
You could maybe say you can sayit, maybe your friends, but you
might not want to like put it onthe internet.
If you've gotten to the pointwhere you want to agree with Ted
Kaczynski in public on theinternet, you got to get put on

(57:57):
the list somewhere.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
I'm all about free speech.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Don't get me wrong and he can say it.
He shouldn't get arrested forit, but just keep an eye on the
journal.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Write it in a journal , don't let anyone see it, Don't
act on it, obviously, clearly.
That's number one, yeah, but ifyou have those thoughts, it's
like yeah, yeah, it wasn't on.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
It's obviously, you know, killing anyone in cold
blood not good idea.
There were 24 ladies waitingfor him at his arraignment
hearing today, so he didn't doit.
I think they just think he'shot, which he's pretty good
looking guy, nice Italianstallion proud.
Baltimore family yeah, so Iguess that's it.
I mean, john, I don't know ifwe're missing anything.
Fans, I know we.

(58:38):
I kind of breezed over the lowlights cause I just they kind of
they hurt they hurt they stinga little bit.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Maybe we can give our fans.
You have some high, you havesome stats for us.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I do have some stats for us actually.
Thanks, john.
Just a little bit of a year,year in review.
You know We'll be open.
I guess you call this ouryearly report, right, report
card, our report card.
So the year so we started inOur first episode was March 2024
.
We've had 34 episodes.

(59:11):
That's amazing.
This will be the 35th episode.
That's incredible.
For a total of 2,005 minutes ofpure entertainment.
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, what is that 2,000?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
2,005.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
2,005.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Roughly I estimated.
When I added it together, Ikind of averaged around 33 hours
.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Hey, 34 episodes, 33 hours yeah, how much would you
say you spent editing?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Well, I got that.
So 794 downloads throughBuzzsprout and 36 views on
YouTube, so a total of 830 totallistens.
We have nine subscribers onYouTube and 11 followers on
Twitter, and I have here zerominutes.
John spent doing any editing orcontribution to the quality of

(01:00:00):
the podcast no, it should be atleast 20 minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I upgraded my internet.
That's what that setup was veryeasy once he installed it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
So yeah, well, I don't I mean again.
I would hope, as I have agreedto say that I was wrong about
Tadu's Cuscusco, I could do more.
No, I would hope that you couldsay that you were wrong and
your internet was trash all thattime and your internet was the
problem.
It was a big problem.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
It was a big problem.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
And your quality of life has improved since you've
changed your internet Not justfor the podcast, I assume.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
It's been great.
It's been great I.
It's been good.
It's been a very it's been a.
It's been a switch that had tohappen.
We're saving money, we'regetting a better product.
It's fantastic all around.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah.
So then just one last thing.
I don't want to.
You know, I know npr or likepbs, they have their, they have
their begging what do they callit?
Their fundraising episodes andeverything like that.
And we're not going to have afundraising drive or anything,
but just wanted to let the fansknow how much that this has cost

(01:01:07):
me financially over the year.
So the initial setup, whichcame with a soundboard, 2
microphones, the stands andheadphones, was $582.99.
It was half price.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I've bought 50% off.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I've bought extra microphone.
I've bought some extramicrophones and cables for
additional people, should wewant to have more guest
appearances, which we've had acouple.
That was a total of $95.97.
I upgraded my microphone standand cables.
That came to $273.99.

(01:01:47):
The Buzzsprout subscriptionyear-to-date was $326.
Was $326.
My Descript subscription todate was $276.17, for a grand
total of $1,555.12.
Which I got.
To be honest, that's a lot ofmoney, but I've gotten an

(01:02:11):
enjoyment.
I've gotten the return.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
I think the fans have enjoyed at least pretending to
like the show.
It's kind of just been a bit ofa running joke and I just think
it's been fun.
But, that being said, ifanybody would like to donate
money to recoup some of this,you can send me an email.

(01:02:36):
Send us an email atnailinghistorypod at gmailcom
and we'll send you directions onhow to donate.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I don't think you'll be able to deduct that off your
taxes.
You don't think?
I don't think so.
I think we're not a registerednon-profit, I don't think 501,
right?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah, do you have 501 , right?
501?
Yeah, do you have any stats?
John, done any preparation atall.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I guess I paid $0 for all the Do you have?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
anything to say?
Any stats, highlights,lowlights?
I know we put most of thistogether.
I didn't bring anything up.
I don't have anything to say.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I'm shocked at how many episodes we've done.
If you tested me and gave me atest, say, just number our
episodes, I'd struggle, butthat's a good thing.
Time flies, time flies, timeflies.
We've put out 33 hours of gold.
Well, not gold, mostly silver.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Cheap and silver.
Maybe out of those 33 hours,seven, eight hours probably been
pretty quality entertainmentwith quips and one-liners and
chuckles.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
We had some good laughs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
It's a good belly shaking which let's just uh,
we'll just go through that.
But one thing that we've done alot of is some singing.
We're not scared to use ourpipes that god gave us, and I
put together a bit of a, a quickit's not super long a quick
little compilation of some ofthe better singing moments of

(01:04:20):
the year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
And I'm stoked.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
We're living in a town and they're closing all the
factories down Out in Bethlehem.
They're killing time Fillingout forms standing in line Out
in Bethlehem.
They're killing time Fillingout forms standing in line Head

(01:04:43):
like a hole.
Black out your soul.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
I'd rather die than give you control, you got a good
voice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
I've been waiting so long to be where I'm going, in
the sunshine of your love.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
When the truth is found to be lies and all the joy
within you dies.
Don't you want somebody to love?
Don't you need somebody to love?
Don't you need somebody to love?
Sorry that you feel that way.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
The only thing there is to say every silver lining's
got a touch of gray and then ahero comes along, emperor Norton
, with the strength to carry onand you cast your fears aside

(01:05:46):
and you know you can survive.
I've had the blues, the redsand the pinks.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
One thing's for sure Love stinks, love stinks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Yeah, yeah, Love stinks yeah yeah, Love stinks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Yeah.
Yeah, Love stinks yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I just don't know why you had to feel like you needed
to ruin that love stinks songby just randomly say stinks, you
ruined the timing of thebreakdown.
I did as best as I can.
I'm doing as best as I can withwhat I got here.

(01:06:43):
Ladies and gentlemen, fans, Iguess one way to sum up your, uh
, your general attitude towardsthe show would be this I'm
really stoked that we're back inlive in person.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I'm stoked, let's do it.
I'm really stoked about thisone, but I'm stoked.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
We're stoked.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I'm not stoked, I'm stoked.
We're stoked to have you.
We're stoked to have you back.
I'm stoked to be here foranother week, stoked at that.
I'm stoked to be back foranother week, stoked that.
I'm stoked to be back, stokedabout elon, and we are stoked,
stoked, stoked.
Thank you so much.
You're stoked you're stoked alot and I need it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I need a thesaurus for the new year, I think I know
what I need for Christmas.
So I guess that's a good part.
Let's say we got end of theyear.
Let's do what is.
As far as the podcast goes,what is your New Year's
resolution for the podcast?
Maybe use ChatGPT a little bitless.

(01:07:56):
What do you you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
think it kind of ended up down a rabbit hole.
Um, it gave some gold, it gaveus some good moments, but I
think I used it a little bit toomuch as a crutch.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
There you go, ladies and gentlemen.
He's admitting, I've admittedit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I, I can put more effort and thought my own
thoughts.
It's into into it and, um, letme go from there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
I like that, but let's just, we'll take it one
week at a time and uh maybe fans, if you want to let us know
some of the things that you wantto, that you want to hear about
um in the new year.
Any directions you might wantus to take, we'll be happy to
take them into consideration.
I noticed you didn't ask mewhat my new year's resolution
would be for the show.
For the show I want to say likeless.

(01:08:45):
You know, I don't know ifyou've noticed, I use like as a
transitional word.
Is that a?
Is that a?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
word yeah to into something, up to another.
I say like a lot like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
You know like what I'm saying.
Like you know I say like a lotlike.
You know like, and I was justlike, and then she's just like
and you know like, I say like alot, and that's just like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
It's like I'm working on it so you, I gotta drop, you
gotta drop like I gotta drop,stoked you can continue to say
stoked.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I think it's fun, it's kind of goofy, it's very
like socal for somebody who'slike a confederate, uh, a
confederate, uh, apologist, ohboy, I'm gonna end up on a list
nah um I like I like getting ourfans more involved.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I think uh, sticking to maybe get some more guest
appearances on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Get emily m back on another oj.
Yeah, get back up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
It's been six months I think it's been six months
since those episodes it wasprobably like april.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Oh yeah, I mean, it was april.
That was this.
It started off as this week inhistory for the the bronco chase
.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
It would have been april, wow everyone, every,
every person I talked to with 2xchromosomes said that was their
favorite 2x, 2x.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
What do you mean?
Women, women, I don't eventhink it would be 2x chromosomes
.
If anyone had a singlechromosome in their body, they
said that was their favorite one.
I don't think it Every single.
I mean every single person.
I asked like well, what's yourfavorite episode?
The OJ Simpson was good, Iguess.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I think it was the subject matter, but I do think
having we had we maybe it's amovie to consider.
I think having three people, wehave three microphones.
I think having three peoplejust changes a dynamic.
I think you have more to playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I just don't know if we're going to have be able to
get a third person to commit.
Three person definitely is agood dynamic, but you know I
also like that.
It's a treat when we have athird person.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
I like the sound when we call people to, like the
sound of someone, like a phone,like someone phoning in, but we
phone them?
They don't.
Usually it's radio stationslike, hey, we're gonna take a
call here them.
Usually it's radio stationslike hey, we're going to take a
call here, and they just pressplay and there's a speaker on
the other end.
We have to call.
A little bit of a bummer, but Ido like that sound.
I like the episode when youcalled me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Well, hey, I'm just looking at this now.
My highlight was always doingthe rock and roll cards.
That was my number onehighlight.
I always had a blast doing itand you want to do a couple of
them for old time's sake?

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
We can do a couple To ring in the new year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
It's like old time rock and roll.
That kind of music just soothesthe soul.
I reminisce about the days ofold With that old time rockin'
roll.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Is that Bob Seger?
It is Bob Seger, and fun factfor our fans.
If I recall correctly, one ofour listeners I believe it was
Dick Pepperfield sang this songat our grade school talent show.
No, he didn't.
Yes, he did Well.
He pantomimed it.
He didn't actually sing itReally.
That's funny.
I did well he pantomimed it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Oh, he didn't actually sing it really.
Yeah, I don't think you mighthave to bring it up.
I have some explaining to donext, in the next time we get
together well, you can send usthe text, confirm it or not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Either, or we'll be happy with it.
Your turn, oh boy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
I don't know this one .
I'll give it my best shot.
Take me in into your darkesthour, and I'll never desert you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
I'll stand by you, pretenders.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Don't ever hurt you.
Yeah, Chrissy Hine.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
I'll stand by you Pretenders, don't ever hurt you,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Chrissy Hine.
I'll stand by you.
How does that take me in?
Take me in, dude.
Take me in, isn't Chrissy Hine?
I mean, that's what's on thecard.
Here we go, I got.
This is a good one for me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Ten soldiers and Nixon's coming, we're finally on
our own.
This summer.
I hear the drumming for dead inohio it's pretty good, good
rendition of him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
He seems like a weird guy.
That's none other than mr NeilYoung, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I honestly didn't know that.
That was the words.
I didn't know it was Nixoncoming.
Did you Tin soldiers and Nixoncoming?
I just knew it was about theshooting at Kent.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
State.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
I thought it was tin soldiers, not tin.
You thought it was tin soldiers.
I thought it was tin, it's tin.
Oh Tin soldiers and Nixoncoming, I guess it was tin
soldiers.
I thought it was 10.
It's 10.
Oh, tin soldiers and Nixoncoming, I guess it was like tin
soldiers and Nixon coming.
I don't know what I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Here you want to do one more.
I thought Axl Rose was talkingabout the Balkans in November
rain, so it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to
lose and nothing.
Maybe nothing is really freeleft to lose and nothing, maybe
nothing.
Free and freedom.
We got the blues, me, me, bobbyMcGee there you go, janis

(01:14:29):
Joplin that's right with BigBrother and the Holding Company
really.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
I didn't know that was an actual thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
She's okay I had her cds.
But yeah, I was definitelytrying to be cool.
Yeah, well, she's fine allright fans.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Well, I guess that's it for for this uh recap.
We're happy to have you guys.
I'd like to say I thank you forall the listeners.
Thank you for all of thespecial guest appearances we had
Brian K, Dick Pepperfield.
Andrew S, mark C, emily M.
Lauren G.
If you really put them all nextto each other, we had a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
That's a crew.
That's a crew, that's a goingout kind of crew.
Maybe one day, one day we'llall get together and reminisce
about the early days of thepodcast when we're yucking it up
with 10,000 downloads anepisode.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Thank you, I hope you guys all have a safe and happy
or had I don't know when this isgoing to be coming out have or
had a safe and healthy New Year,new Year, holiday, christmas
and that's it.
Enjoy it guys.
John, you got anything to leaveus with?

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Do it now, do it later, do it forever, stay
curious.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Hey fans, Matt back here.
Just if you guys hung on longenough, I just wanted to give
you guys a little treat here.
If you guys hung on long enough, I just wanted to give you guys
a little treat here.
This goes out to the people wejust mentioned.
Love you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Another turning point a fork stuck in the road.
Time grabs you by the wristdirection where to go, so make
the best of this test and don'task why it's not a question, but
a lesson learned in time.
It's something unpredictable,but in the end is right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
I hope you had the time of your life.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
I'm having the time of my life, John Right there
with you, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
So take the photographs and still frames in
your mind.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Hang it on a shelf in good health and good time
Tattoos and memories and dancingon trial For what it's worth.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
it was worth all the while.
It's something unpredictable,but in the end it's right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
I hope you had the time of your life all right, I
hope you guys hung around forthat and we say bye, bye, come
on, man.