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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Nailing
History Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Happy 2025.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
We are so pumped to have you back, is that?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
the new word?
Is that the new word?
We are new word new word, newme.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
You know how we got to be pumped to be back.
Hey, fans, we miss you.
That's all we can say.
That's all I can say.
Matt, how's your 2025 been sofar?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
it's been three weeks since we've had an episode at
least, so your 2025 has beenterrible, which I'm told on in
internet.
Years is an eternity, so we'vegone into the realm of
irrelevance on the internet bymissing three weeks of it for an
episode.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I didn't know if you knew that, john yeah, well, I
know there's other podcasterswe've been following that have
gone longer than three weeks.
So I you know.
I think it's normal though,especially at the end of the
year I know some podcasts Ilisten to they'll take two,
three weeks off for the holidays.
Everyone knows you got timewith family, you've got to get

(01:47):
your house in order, you've gotto meet all those end-of-year
obligations, but I think we'refine.
The real fans miss us.
How was your holiday?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Holiday was good.
The holiday season was good.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Christmas was very nice.
Holiday was good.
The holiday season was good,christmas was very nice, it was
cool.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I had two weeks working from home.
Did you do the seven fishesGood?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
job.
We did not do seven fishes, wedid about four, five that's not
very Italian of you no, I know,but we spent it with my fiance's
sister, this year in particular, virginia.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I think this year in particular you may have been
more interested in following theitalian um traditions than most
years, so I find it interestingyou didn't do the seven fishes.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
A big event, as our fans know.
I think we had previouslyaddressed it before I'd acquired
my Italian citizenship bydescent.
Back in June, all that stufffinally went through and then I
had to just play the waitinggame in order to go and get my
first italian passport.

(03:08):
I had to wait, however long sixmonths and, yeah, we made a day
out.
Made a day out in town december23rd.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Uh, my fellow podcast co-host decided to join me,
along with my mother, sister andfiance, into Philadelphia Well
you know, I get invited to solittle now that anything I get
invited to, I figure I might aswell take advantage of it.
Otherwise I wouldn't doanything except this podcast.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, you were ready for it.
You accepted the offer and theinvitation and I was very
grateful for that.
And I was even more gratefulfor a very charming and
thoughtful uh present that mattdecided to get me, uh and in
before our travels into the city.
Matt, maybe you can explain toour fans our fans what you went

(04:04):
ahead and got me.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Go ahead Okay.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well, Matt, to commemorate the event and the
festivity of me going for mypassport, Matt felt it
appropriate to get me a T-shirtwhich he basically forced me to
wear to my passport appointment,which said Italianian, and it
had a picture of a flagunderneath that from my head to

(04:31):
my meatballs even just saying itmakes me laugh and don't forget
, there was a very there was avery random space between the I
and the t in italian too.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Don't forget that.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I cannot forget that.
The shirt, I own the shirt now.
I will not forget it.
Have you worn it?
Since Matt wanted to gethimself a shirt, so I guess we
were matching which saidsurrounded by stunads with the
finger gesture the hand gesturethe typical Italian hand gesture
.
Tommy DeVito hand gesture the,the typical italian hand gesture

(05:07):
tommy, tommy devito handgesture.
With tommy devito, late, mostrecently done by baker mayfield
after scoring a touchdown,mimicking the crowd, or, um,
sticking it to the crowd.
It was a good shirt.
It was a good shirt.
Um, we maybe put a poll out toour fans which shirts nice,
funnier, more insulting, uh,just what would you rather have

(05:29):
in your wardrobe, you know?
But yeah, we had a really funday out.
So I had that appointment inthe morning and then we,
immediately after that, we justwent across street to a place
called la scala.
Fire had had some pizza andsome long hots.
Gotta get some long hots in youwhen you're in Philadelphia,

(05:50):
what they?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
are at.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Huxberg's.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
If I were to give a review of this restaurant, it is
that we ordered the Italian eggrolls and we got the
cheesesteak egg rolls and me andJohn, being the polite
Catholics that we are, didn'tsay anything.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Light cat.
Yeah, getting ready.
We could have been like.
We were really looking forwardto it, though.
So fans these egg rolls, sothey were Italian-style egg
rolls.
So for any of our fans who'veever been into Philly, you got a
place called De Nix.
You get an Italian pulled porksub which has broccoli, rabe,
sharp provolone cheese andItalian pulled pork.

(06:35):
And so these were going to belong hots and they were going to
be baked into an egg roll andwe saw that we got to get it no
questions asked and we orderedit.
It was like early lunch hourand then we were one of the
first ones there and then itjust got.
We turned into a madhouse halfan hour later and I think we
just felt bad, we don't want tosend it back fans, can I?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I just want to bring you into my world right now as
we're going through this episode.
But right before we were onthis episode, right before we
started recording, john, I hadput an outline together and you
know, this is kind of what we'vebeen going off of so far.
We're on item one of like 13,but, john, I'm ready to get

(07:21):
started, I'm getting excited.
And then John just decides tosay, um, hey, why don't we put
time stamps on all of theseitems?
Because I don't want to betalking about all this stuff for
very long.
And then, you know, by the timewe get into the meat of the
episode, I'm spent and I can't.

(07:42):
I can't contribute to theepisode.
Um, so he goes through.
He spends the episode, I'm spentand I can't.
I can't contribute to theepisode.
So he goes through.
He spends 30 minutes that weprobably could have just been
doing podcasting.
He spends this time to putthese approximate timestamps of
all of these episodes and then,when it comes time to record
this episode, john decides tojust go off on all these

(08:04):
tangents about where we atelunch, what we ordered, I don't
know.
Very strange, strange behavior.
Strange behavior from a co-host, that's all I gotta say long
story short, it was a great dayout.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
It was a lot of fun.
I got my passport.
I only had five fish for thefeast of the seven Fishes this
year.
I had a nice Christmas.
How was yours?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
It was fine Good.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, what else did you do over?

Speaker 1 (08:36):
there.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I got some nice nailing history swag for
Christmas.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I got coasters.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I got coasters, I got notepads, I got socks, I got is
that it?
You got some books and I gotsome history books that might,
may, come in handy in the future.
Yep, my family's verysupportive of the podcast that's
good, that's good.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
My family's just asking me now how can they
actually communicate with us ofthe podcast.
That's good, that's good.
My family's just asking me nowhow can they actually
communicate with us on thepodcast.
So that's, that's good.
That's good.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Our AI generated show logo actually kind of came out
pretty good on this, uh swag.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Do we own the rights to that or do you own the rights
to?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
that.
How does that work?

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I don't know.
Does anybody own the rights toanything?
Yes, says like 250 years ofamerican, like commerce law.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I don't know, and I got this really sweet painted
painting for christmas that I'mexcited about, of aubrey hepburn
audrey hepburn a Aubrey Hepburn, aubrey Hepburn.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
yeah, are you a big fan of hers?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think she's hot in a 1930s way 30s.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Are you talking about Catherine Hepburn?
No, Breakfast at.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Tiffany's came out in 1961.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Oh, in the 60s kind of way, she's hot Fair enough.
I like her she's cool.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
You like her.
She looks like a sassy kind ofgal.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, she seems like she'd really, you know, insult
me in a nice way, probably stepon it wrong a couple times.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
if you asked yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
I think so.
So, that's all, that's that's agood recap.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Um, let's get.
Uh, let's, how are we doing onour time?

Speaker 2 (10:36):
john, we're cruising here.
What was supposed to be at.
What was your?
What was your master?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
plan supposed to be on 7 but yeah, no, like, I guess
I had a nice holiday, but Ithink the highlight of like call
it the holiday season which Iguess I would include this in
was I actually had a friend ofmine.
So I, as some of our fans knowtoo that I lived in australia
for about six years and my lastyear there I lived with a family

(11:00):
, uh, for a full year and wekind of became really close.
They're probably going tohopefully be at my wedding, if
you're listening, lookingforward to your rsvp, um, but
yeah, for, like, one of their uh, one of the, the um, the son,
uh that was that I was livingwith there, he uh had a chance

(11:22):
to come to the us for a coupleweeks and spent most of that
time up in New York City.
And, yeah, he just reached out.
We were able to connect and gothim on a bus.
He came down to Baltimore,picked him up and he was only
here for less than 36 hours.
So we had a Saturday that wewent to DC and I just kind of
took him all around to all thesites and sounds, and that was a

(11:44):
couple weeks ago now and uh,yeah, that was, that was really
fun, you know, it was reallycool to reconnect and and see
him and you know, have a younghe's I think he's 17 have a
young, impressionable mind thatI could spit historical
knowledge on.
That was kind of cool and Ithink he appreciated it.
So he said apparently it wasthe highlight of his trip.
Did you tell him about ourpodcast?

(12:07):
I, I think I mentioned it tohim.
Certainly mentioned it to hismother I would have.
Did you drive there?
No, we drove to the metros, themetro, dc metro and then we
took the train in and we gotright off at the smithsonian
institute.

(12:27):
You had a fun time.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
You had a fun time in dc.
You take the train back, youget in the car.
You don't think to say like, ohhey, you know why don't we
listen to an episode of myhistory podcast?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I wasn't sure.
I mean he said after the factthat it was his highlight.
But we went into theSmithsonian Museum of American
History and we were there for alittle bit.
We did an exhibit on thehistory of transportation in
America, walked around that fora while.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Was Pete Buttigieg there.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I wish, I wish there was a cardboard cutout.
So we did that for a while andthen, like, we wanted to get up
to the, so we did that, and thenwe went up to the star spangled
banner so we saw the flag.
That was, you know, theinspiration for, for our
national anthem, and that waspretty cool.
And he was like I want to seethat.
I'm like, so do I, and so, uh,no pictures were allowed,

(13:21):
unfortunately.
They thought it would corrodethe.
They thought a picture from acell phone with no flash on
would corrode the flag, justlike Washington's tent.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Just no pictures allowed, probably because it's
not actually the flag, justsaying Probably, because it's
not actually the flag, justsaying sorry, probably, because
it's not actually that flag.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
I think it is it is the flag yeah, sorry, keep going
it was a box, it was also asquare flag, it's not, it's not
rectangle like the flag we seenow.
Um, and that was cool, I thinkyou really appreciated that.
And then we were going to goupstairs to the third floor and

(14:08):
kind of do like more militaryhistory.
That had a whole exhibit onmilitary history opened up,
opening up with the french andindian war, seven years war.
Uh, as our, as our fans nowthere's no another name and we
got going on there talking aboutfort necessity, general
braddock, and how washingtonlike started this whole, like
how washington like started thewar.
So we're getting, we're just,we're just about getting into it

(14:30):
, right about to walk up in theboston massacre stuff and right
as we're about to, declareindependence oh boy, he turns to
me and he's like, hey, can welike go get something to eat?
so I was like, all right, Ithink I think he got enough
history for the day on this.
And then we were like, let'sjust go and we'll just walk
around.
We'll just go walk around.
We got to go, we got plenty tosee here and we just ended up

(14:53):
just cruising around theNational Mall.
We just walked around the WhiteHouse, which was packed and
with all the commotion of theinauguration coming up.
They were setting up for that.
So there was secret serviceeverywhere, couldn't really get
to where we could get a goodpicture of in front of the white
house, but we made it work.

(15:13):
And so, yeah, we walked aroundthe white house, hit up the
national monument, head up theWashington monument, uh, went to
the Jefferson monument.
I would say, yeah, my favoritepart did Lincoln Monument.
Obviously, our fans know thatthat was not my favorite.
George Mason Monument was cool,it was subtle, it was very

(15:38):
subtle.
I liked that one.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Did you see the Korean War Monument Memorial?
We did see the.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Korean War Memorial.
Yeah, that was cool.
We literally hit every singlememorial, and then when we came
back we walked all over.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Did you see FDR's memorial?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I didn't know FDR's was as big as it was.
I've walked past FDR's beforebut I obviously missed the meat
of it, the meat and potatoes ofit.
I just remember walking by onetime past a a wall that said,
like the fdr memorial, like thatlooks lame.
But this time I actually wentin and it was literally every

(16:14):
four years of his presidency ordocumented with different like
statues and stuff.
So you have like the first fouryears of the great depression
and you have these guys standingin line like at like a soup
kitchen.
Uh a la are they filling?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
were they filling out forms?

Speaker 3 (16:32):
for the most part, for the most part, a la
allentown, precursor to allen,the allentown of future.
Do you think that's what?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
do you think that maybe that is what um Billy Joel
to write that song?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I think his influence was the jobs leaving Allentown
in the 70s, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, I know, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
I thought you sent me a pictureof that.
You had the old Aussie blokesitting in line with the rest of
them Pretty funny, I guesswhich may have been fitting if
he was as hungry as you said hewas.
Well, he wasn't that hungry.
At that point We'd alreadyeaten.
Maybe you should have given hima little.

(17:15):
You think you're hungry now?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Well the Great Depression hit.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Australia too.
I mean, I think it was a worlddepression.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
You should have taken the opportunity to teach him
about the.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Smoot-Hawley Act Huh.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
You should have taken the opportunity to teach him
about the Smoot-Hawley Act.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yep, I was talking his ear off a lot.
We did a lot of walking.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm hungry, well, you know who was really hungry
Americans during the GreatDepression, and you know what
made that even worse, herbert.
You know who was really hungryAmericans during the Great
Depression, and you know whatmade that even worse Herbert
Hoover and the Smoot-Hawley Act.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Let me explain to you what happened.
Tariffs, he talked, the onlyway to get out of the Great.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Depression was to increase the tariffs.
And he's like what?
No, he was engaged.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
He really liked it.
I think I got a picture of himat every memorial and we yeah,
we basically did all of lincolnand we walked the length to the
nation's capital, we walked tothe capital building.
That was certainly a highlightof, uh of of my time away, what
I've been doing the past threeweeks since our last episode, um

(18:21):
cool, all right.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Fan mail, fan mail.
Fan mail, fan mail.
Let's get to our fan mail now.
Um, let's just read.
We got a couple fan mails.
We'll read them in reversechronological order january 2nd.
This is him writing.
Excellent year, gentlemen.
I enjoyed every episode,although some were more

(18:42):
entertaining than others.
I would like to throw in my hat.
No, I would like to throw myhat in the ring for this.
All expenses paid field tripcontest.
Now break, john.
Did we say full, all expenses,or do we say 50%?
I think it was half off.
Yeah, it was 50%.
I don't know what you're tryingto get at, dick Pepperfield,

(19:04):
but we'll look into it.
Back to the message.
This is very generous of thepodcast to offer this
once-in-a-lifetime experienceand I simply cannot turn it down
.
If possible, I would like toJohn do the tour in character as
Al Pacino, as he is one of myfavorite actors and John's
impression is one of the bestI've heard.
I'm sorry I didn't sendanything in for my favorite

(19:24):
moments of the year for the lastepisode, but I was visiting
Italy trying to learn more aboutmy heritage.
I felt this was necessary afterJohn publicly shamed me about
my lack of Italian knowledge onour last call.
As for future episodes on thepod, I'd like to hear more movie
reviews, but I'd like them tobe good movies.
Finally, I will corroborateJohn's story about my cover of

(19:47):
Bob Seger at our school talentshow.
I'm simply shocked at hisrecall here.
Somehow he can't remember theDC sniper attacks, yet he can
remember a first grade talentshow set Stay classy, dick
Pepperfield.
There's a lot to unpack there,a lot going on, wow, I would say

(20:12):
first off.
Okay, so first about the thefield trip.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
We'll figure that out .
It's gonna go to, we're goingto norristown.
Basically, if we're gonna give,it's gonna be 50 off, we're
gonna do a historical field tripto norristown well, I was
thinking, why don't we go to the?

Speaker 2 (20:22):
we can take, take Dick to the Chester County
History Museum, kind of close towhere I believe he Near where
he currently resides, and thatcould be fun.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
We could pick him up, swing by, pick him up.
Who good you know VIP, we'llget him in the car.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
50% off entrance to the museum.
Then we'll pay for half of hismeal at Uno Pizzeria and Grill.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
So sign up.
Sign up today, dick Pepperfield, if anyone else wants to join.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
We'll reach out to you separately to go over the
details and if anyone else wantsto join.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
You know exclusions apply.
Obviously, you got to find ifyou get yourself to Norristown,
Westchester, westchester, withinthe vicinity of anywhere within
the vicinity.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
If you can take the Norristown line in and we can
pick you up at the Norristowntransportation center, that's
all you need to get to eitherget to where we're going or
Norristown transportation centeris the farthest we will drive.
Um, so Either get to wherewe're going or Nardstown
Transportation Center is thefarthest we will drive.
So, yeah, your.
Al Pacino is his favorite Moviereviews.

(21:34):
We could, we do, have a couplelined up.
We've seen a couple, one inparticular, not sure if we're
going to be able to get.
If we're going to be able toget, uh, if we're going to be
able to get um access to it, butthere is an italian film about
the life of benito mussolinithat we're very interested in

(21:54):
seeing and we will do a moviereview if we can get access to
that apparently quite thecommotion too, people, oh really
yeah, I've got some italianco-workers who were like, yeah,
it's a little touchy subject init right now is it the wee, wee
yep, did you?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
ask them.
Did you ask?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
them?
Why do we see it?
Why, what?
Why can't everyone see that?
No, just like the currentpolitical stuff happening in the
world, like oh're, like, oh,it's just.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Hey, what do they say about your past?
If you forget it, you're doomedto repeat it.
Isn't that what they say?
Or something like that?
That's what they say.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
But Mark Twain also says history doesn't repeat
itself, but it does rhyme.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
So, yeah, so we got a couple movies on there.
We will keep you guys in in inthe loop on that, um.
But I do want to say, john,this talent show where, uh, this
individual sang pete seger.
Uh, good to old time rock androll, that was in first grade I
guess I don't remember the exacttime it was in grade school.

(23:02):
I was thinking it was weretalking like 7th, 8th grade no.
Wasn't it the same year thatyou did Big Pimpin' by Jay-Z, or
was it?

Speaker 3 (23:11):
a different talent show.
That's when I did that thatwasn't at a talent show, that
was at a grade school dance.
My competition just did all thesmall things by Blink-182.
I think a little bit easier topull off if you have no rapping
skills which I unfortunatelydon't I could have maybe hooked

(23:32):
you up with some costume ideas,using Blackface to get you
through that one.
I did have the dollar bills.
I do remember that much I wasfanning some money around for
five minutes straight and notsaying anything else.
That much I was fanning somemoney around for five minutes
straight and not saying anythingelse wasn't I can't believe you
can remember that if that wasreally first grade, I mean we're
talking 30 years ago and Iremember that and another one

(23:54):
was people in my school did, uh,I think uh, that was first,
maybe that was first grade.
Somebody did tub thumping bychumbawamba.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
That one it was first grade 1998 yeah, that would
have been like third grade, somaybe it was third grade yeah
did you have that album?

Speaker 3 (24:14):
chumbawamba?
No, but I believe our, our fanmark c did.
I think that's how I heard it Ihad it too.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
I had it, and there was a song on there that was as
someone who went to Catholicschool being like 10 years old.
There was a song called Not toget off topic.
Hold on, I got it.
I'm curious.
Yeah, hold on, I've got to findthese lyrics.
What was that album called tubthumper?

(24:47):
Wasn't it that was the song thealbum was tub thumper.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
The song was called tub thumping.
Nah, yeah, it was oh man,you're right.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Wow, that's okay creative.
There was a song called MaryMary, that's it, and the song
starts off with a really crazy,dark, british themed person

(25:20):
reciting the Hail Mary prayer,okay, and then it gets, gets
into like, uh, no verge.
Then, like the, the song comesin and it's kind of like an
angry british song.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Right, it's like no virgin me, for I have sinned.
I sold my soul for sex and gin.
Go call the priest all meek andmild, and tell them mary is no
more a child.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
So like I mean it's it was pretty earth-shattering
but I do remember I did likethat was my second favorite song
on that album.
It was a pretty catchy tune.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Apparently, donald Trump got up.
He ticked them off.
Apparently, he tried using tubthumping during the 2016
presidential campaign and theywere not happy with him.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
They did not have the right to use it.
I would have used Mary.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Mary, A band member, said that quote.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
there have been many, many examples of right-wing
populist leaders usingostensibly left-wing music to
hoodwink their audiences intosome kind of hypnotic
self-delusion that they are.
Quote of the people, end quote.
That's what, when I think ofthe song top thumping, I think
of of the people for sure.
All right, let's get.
Let's get moving from our goodfriend to the show and

(26:45):
contributor to the show, emily M, asks.
These are supposed to beanonymous, but I think she'd be
happy for me to say her name.
Question for the host.
Who would you pardon if youwere president?
John, I gave you a little bitof time.
I didn't want to.
I know it's a tough question toget you know, thrown on you in

(27:09):
the spur of the moment typething.
So did you have a time to thinkabout it and do you have an
answer?
Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
You're very excited everyone from cops, anyone who's
been arrested on the show cops.
It's like we got our benefit.
It's entertainment.
Yeah, they were committing acrime, but there's only a show
of cops.
Only have the show becausepeople like seeing other people

(27:46):
arrested.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Good answer, that's a very good answer you've done
your time.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
You're now like you're forever.
That guy in a trailer parksomewhere who was running from
the cops yeah, getting tackledand then having to explain
yourself on camera, maybe hadsome drugs up your butt most of
them were drug offenses.
It seems like a lot of themwere like petty gun crimes which
it's like illegal and likemaybe they should have been

(28:11):
arrested.
But if you're filming it andsomeone's making money off of
you, it's like already you'vedone the time.
The film's footage isn't goinganywhere.
I'm still watching it.
We'll still my fiancee.
She'll just put it on.
She just needs to relax.
She'll throw on Cops or LoveAfter Lockup or one of these
crazy police shows.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Very good answer.
I do want to add one otherperson to this.
How about the guy who stabbedJoey Greco on that episode of
Cheaters?
Ooh, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's a good part.
Now, full disclaimer.
I'm not saying that thatpardoning of these individuals
from the show Cops isnecessarily what the founding
fathers would have intended touse.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Well, my concern would be I don't think any of
these people and to get back towhat a pardon actually is, I
don't think any of these peopleon Cops are being arrested by
local troopers for federaloffenses, right?
Yeah, so as president,president, you wouldn't
necessarily have the power topardon them maybe as a governor,

(29:20):
as a governor of a state thequestion was if you were
president?
I don't want, I don't want toget in the weeds, but I'm just
saying that's true and Iappreciate listening, if Emily
M's listening and she's going toprobably be saying that like
well, wait, Wait a second.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
And obviously I can't wipe the state if the state
still has an offense againstthem.
Yeah, that's got to hold.
Yeah, no, it's true.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
So I'll just go quick with mine.
I have a little bit of a listWesley Snipes Wesley Snipes and
Mike DeS, both tax evasionvictims.
I don't know who's necessarilythe victim in an evasion case.

(30:07):
But I think if you pay yourtaxes back or you at least say
you're sorry, you should be ableto get pardoned for cheating
your taxes.
Maybe if they pay your taxesback or you at least say you're
sorry, you should be able to getpardoned for cheating your
taxes.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Maybe if they paid their taxes.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I would pardon Chris Harrison, the creator and host
of the Bachelor series.
He got into a little bit of hotwater back in 2018, 2019 over
trying to defend a woman forgoing to antebellum parties down
in the South.
I don't know if you rememberthis, John.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
He got canceled.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
They took his show away from him and he went on a.
He got himself into a littlebit of a situation that he
shouldn't have been in, takingheat for somebody else's actions
, which I did ultimately realizeNow.
I never knew this, but thewoman that he was talking about
on the show this is even crazierto me the woman that he was

(31:04):
talking about on the show whowent to antebellum parties.
His defense to her was well,what was okay in 2018 may not be
okay in 2020 anymore, orwhatever.
Or what's not okay in 2020 maynot be okay in 2020 anymore, or
whatever.
Or what's not okay in 2020,.
You know the woke police.
He started telling me all these.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Really bad, but again , he wasn't charged with a crime
, just like the ostracize youwould.
The ostracization of it.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I wouldn't come out as president and say, let's
leave this guy alone.
Okay, if that counts as a part,and if that doesn't count as a
part, and sue me, all right, um,so that kind of leads us into
um, how are we doing on time,john?
We're great.
Where are we supposed to be?

Speaker 3 (31:46):
we're catching up, we're catching, we're making up
time we're making up.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
We had some serious news, some serious impacting
news about friend of the show.
Would you say not a friend ofthe show, not a friend, but
certainly a soon to be a verybig personality overnight
sensation, you might say, forthe sake of the nailing history
podcast nuts nuts I will saythat I don't know if any of our

(32:15):
fans made it this far into ourpardon episode, because when I
have mentioned this person inconversation, it gets no
attention, and everyone's sohere it is december 29th, 2024.

(32:38):
President jimmy carter passedaway at 100 years old.
Now, that's sad.
He was not in great shape atall, I mean for a long time two
years.
I mean he was basically avegetable.
I like to think you make it to100.
I mean, really, what else hewon out of life?

(33:00):
Good for him, he had a longlife, happy for him, seemed like
an okay guy, habitat forHumanity, whatever.
But if a lot of people know avery People remember from our
episode very unknown fact abouthim in the 70s or no, right
before Jimmy Carter left office,he pardoned a fellow named

(33:23):
Peter Yarrow of the famous forthe group Peter Paul Mary for
some sexual.
What do you want to?
How's the most appropriate wayto say it?

Speaker 3 (33:35):
sexual crime against a minor.
It was sexual How's the mostappropriate way to say it?
Sexual crime against a minor,it was.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Can you say that today, anyway, first pardon, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
First pardon against a.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Only pardon for sexual crime.
Whatever Blah blah, we won'tget into it.
If you want to go back to theepisode I know it was a little
boring Fast forward to the lastquarter of the episode.
I think is when we get into it.
Um, but anyway, funny thing,jimmy carter's dead.
We know about this period.
I think john and I have kind ofalways been like bringing it up,

(34:09):
just like I've done photoshopof me on peter yarrow's face,
john on the other guy, likewe've done a lot of photoshop.
Yarrow's face, john on theother guy We've done a lot of
Photoshop.
It's been a thing that we jokearound about as far as how
ridiculous this whole thing is.
And so, like I said, mybirthday is around the time.
My birthday is on January 9th.
Jimmy Carter was to be buriedon January 9th.

(34:29):
I'm celebrating my birthdaywith my family.
My dad says Not a listener ofthe show, mind you, uh.
My dad says, uh, hey, uh, jimmycarter is going to be buried
tomorrow, right?
I'm like yeah, I think so.
I'm like f that dude, though.
And he's like what do you mean?
I'm like he's wasn't, and mydad's like I always thought he
was a pretty nice guy.
He, my dad thought of jimmycarter has always been.

(34:49):
He was too nice to be a goodpresident that's.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
I think that's kind of an image he projected.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah which maybe it's true you know people make
mistakes or whatever, but I saidso I said to him like uh, yeah,
you never.
You ever hear of um.
You ever hear of, uh, how hepardoned peter yarrow for um
diddling a 14 year old back inthe 60s?
I certainly can't say that Ifyou can't see sexual crime

(35:19):
against a minor.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I don't think diddling a 14 year old in the
60s.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
That's what happened.
I guess he got diddled by the14 year old.
I believe was the crime.
Regardless, forced diddling bya 14 year old I think is the
proper terminology.
Forced diddling by a 14 yearold, I think is the proper
terminology forced diddling on a14 okay, anyway.
No forced diddling by a 14 yearold wait, yeah anyway right,

(35:45):
okay he forced the 14 year oldto diddle him there's no way
right going on so, anyway, Itold my dad that he said didn't
he just die?
I'm like no, you must be,because no one heard about this,
right?
So turns out, the day before wewere talking about this,

(36:08):
january 7th 2025, peter yarrowdied of some kind of cancer,
which is just like I couldn'tbelieve it.
I was shocked.
John never said anything to meabout.
I don't think john had heardabout it.
I sent him the article rightaway.
I'm like I can't believe thisis happening.
I can't believe this happened.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
There's got to be some relation and matt put on
his sleuthing hat and he he hasa pretty good inkling as to what
might be happening if any ofour fans believe in the
paranormal, the super theafterlife.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, so I think this is the thing.
Well, first of all, no onetalked about this.
No one talked.
When Jimmy Carter died.
I found one person on Twittersome random account on Twitter
that said he pardoned PeterYarrow.
What a jerk.
Basically, when Jimmy Carterdied, I found him posted that.
I replied to him and said hey,thanks for listening to the
podcast.
Didn't hear anything back,neither here nor there.

(37:06):
We have a blue checkmark.
I thought that would have been,I would have Whatever, but they
didn't talk about it.
Then they didn't talk about it.
Then they didn't talk about itafter Peter Yarrow died, which
there's.
How could nobody come up withthis connection, not like and
I'm just, it's shocking to methat this happened.

(37:27):
They happened right next toeach other and not one person in
the media, not one person outthere could have just said how,
look what happened likeconspiracy theorists.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Where are the conspiracy?
I don't expect the mainstreammedia to say like, oh, is there
a connection between their twodeaths, but I would think
somewhere on that, even not evento say like a connection, just
be like that's crazy that theydied within a week of one
another yeah, you don't thinkthat's crazy?
I mean again, if what you thinkcould have happened in the

(37:59):
afterworld, which we'll get into, if that, if you think that's a
thing, well then, yeah, thatcould be crazy.
But just the fact that theydied, if he had, if he was
suffering from cancer for awhile now, maybe he was only
staying alive long enough, maybehe's like I gotta outlive jimmy
carter.
So jimmy carter keeps his mouthshut, goes through the pearly
gates and I could still sneak inafter him.

(38:21):
I think that was the play.
I think yara was like somebodytold yara who was also he was
worried like hey, he was worriedabout going dying before yeah,
okay, I don't know the rules ofthe engagement with saint peter
up at the pearly gates of heavenfor any of our catholic
listeners out there ornon-catholic listeners.

(38:42):
First of all, peter yarrow wasa jewish man, so I don't think
he necessarily would believe inheaven in the same way as
according to.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
According to reddit.
A quick search would tell youthat Jewish people do not go to
heaven.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
They meet Mel Brooks instead, apparently.
Anyway, we'll leave it to ourfans to dig down the internet
rabbit hole for that Reddit post.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
There was a Reddit post.
We were looking this up and itwas like I always like to think
that it would be funny if someJewish person died and then
Jesus shows up on their deathbedand says who did you expect to
find Mel?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Brooks Wow, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I think it was weird.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
That's an interesting thought, John.
I think that's probably whathappened.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Now my thought was, maybe mine was a little bit more
of a, mine was more, uh,vengeful, on the side of saint
peter.
I had envisioned jimmy carterdies.
He gets up to the pearly gates.
He says, uh, peter's up to him.
He's like all right, let's seewhat you did, jimmy, president
of the united states, let's seewhat was up.

(39:54):
Ah, nothing that bad.
It seems okay, let's go, let'sget in.
Yeah, have that humanity.
But then peter, or uh jimmycarter says, yeah, well,
something's always kind of beenon my mind that I kind of messed
up here.
Saint peter's like what do youmean?
I don't see anything here.
He says, well, that pardon forfor Peter Yarrow at the end of
my presidency, kind of not thebest thing.

(40:20):
And St Peter's like well, whatpardon?
Jimmy Carter has to explain itto him.
He's like I was payingattention to the Iranian hostage
crisis, just like everybodyelse.
I must have missed this.
You did what you let him dowhat I got to get him up here.
Boom, gets Peter Yarrow upthere to explain stuff to
himself.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
My question to you is , so they're hypothetical.
So Jimmy Carter dies December29th.
He's basically just waiting onthe line.
He's just standing outside ofthe gates like he's in Allentown
or something he's waiting inline.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Well, they call that purgatory, john Purgatory.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
No Well, if he's at the gates, he's not down in
purgatory yet.
He's not.
He hasn't kicked down topurgatory yet.
He's on hold with saint peterat the gates.
That's what happens.
That's what I'm saying ishappening.
Okay, he's explaining himself.
He's not in purgatory,explaining the saint peter's up
at the gates.
And then the decisions made bysaint peter's like are you gotta
go wait in purgatory or you'reallowed in?

(41:13):
That's where they're at.
They're in this, like how itworks.
That's what.
How I'm saying how it works.
I don't okay.
Okay, that's.
I know I think roman catholicsare the only one that believe in
purgatory, first of all, butanyway some people think that
our lives now are purgatory.
Anyway, keep going, anyway, yeahso I'm thinking, all right,
jimmy carter goes up there, heexplains that whole story which
you just went through, and then,okay, he's just like waiting,

(41:38):
waiting, like you know, checkinghis clock, checking his watch,
like waiting for what's going on.
Yarrow dies, yeah, say, peterbrings up yarrow.
They have this whole back andforth.
My question to you is who doeshe let in?
So they're both up theretalking to him.
Do either of them go intoheaven?
Do they both go to purgatory?
Do they both go to hell?

(41:59):
Do they just do rock paperscissors to decide?
Does St Peter pull the all guy?
I got what I got.
Space for one of you.
I think I'm disappointed inboth of you, and one of you is
Jewish.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
And the other one's definitely a Protestant.
I'm thinking St Peter makesthem share a room together.
Bunk beds.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
For the rest of eternity.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Jimmy Carter has to.
Jimmy Carter has.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Jimmy Carter has to listen to Peter Yarrow sing Puff
the Magic Dragon constantly forthe rest of his life, and Peter
Yarrow has to sing it eternallife.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Where's Yarrow going during this whole thing?
He got parted by a president,but he's sharing a room he's
sharing a room with Jimmy CarterI already said that so that's
all.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
That's some current events that I thought played a
pretty significant uh role injust not a significant role, but
uh was very heavily involved inin the nailing history lure
lore as you could say.
Yeah I.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
It's baffling that nobody said anything one about
yarrow's death and two about thepardoning, except that one like
.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I mean, I thought, like when like when, like when
Carter died, I'm like, yeah, whywould they bring it up?

Speaker 3 (43:18):
But then the fact that Peter Yarrow died seven
days later and there is no likethat's funny to think about,
even just somebody who was doingit to score political brownie
points, like some Republicansomeone somewhere just to throw
shade at a Democrat, you know,just for the sake of a 30-second
soundbite.
Do we need to go up with a top50 list of current event things

(43:41):
and then by the end of the yearwe read it back?
Hey, remember when that was thebiggest thing on the news and
then within days it was likewe're only two weeks into the
year.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
That could be your contribution to the show.
Do what you want, there you go.
That could be your job, okay,all right, let's get into it.
Uh, that was pretty much.
I just wanted the.
I mean, the main reason to doan episode was to kind of get
through what we just got through.
So I'm happy we got throughthat.
But we would be remiss if wedid not include some history

(44:14):
talk here.
So John kind of alluded to itbefore when he talked about his
trip down to DC.
But we got a big old eventhappening.
By the time this episode comesout, it will have already been
passed.
I think January 21st, tuesday,uh, is Donald Trump's, the date

(44:37):
of Donald Trump's inauguration.
Now, the fact that this iscoming out after the fact, I can
only assume that everythingwent off without a hitch.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
It's not the 21st, by the way.
What is it?
It's Monday, January 20th.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Oh really, I thought it was tuesday no oh yeah,
that's right, it is the 20th.
Um, whatever I'm, I only assumethat everything went off
without a hitch.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
If that's not the case and things went crazy,
we'll cover in the next episodewell, I already have some news
here, apparently, that trumpinauguration is going to be
moved indoors oh yeah, I alreadygot that cold lame dangerous
the cold temperatures.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, I don't want a william henry harrison situation
no we don't want that, but justgoing through.
We were kind of talking about,uh, looking at inaugurations in
the in history, otherinaugurations in history and
what to talk about, and you justcame across one that I mean I

(45:45):
didn't know about it.
Um, andrew jackson, back in uh1829 when he, after he won the
election of 1828 against johnquincy adams.
Um, his inauguration is knownas, uh, a raucous one, is that
how you say that word?
Very rowdy and um, just foundit interesting.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
You know the situation there yeah, I know I
had heard about it before fromlike History Channel, but, like
years ago, nothing more thanjust I know it was a big party,
it wasn't all this pageantry.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
So, to put it into context, what's going on?
John, you can fill in.
You might know a little bitmore than me, but the election
of 1828 was a fairly contentiouselection.
To begin with it was a rematch.
Andrew Jackson and John QuincyAdams went at it the year before
, or the election before in 1824, where Jackson won the popular

(46:48):
vote and he had the mostelectoral votes, I believe but
didn't have the majority.
So it went to the House ofRepresentatives to decide who
became president, and whathappened was Henry Clay.
Yeah, john Quincy Adams wassecond place and Henry Clay

(47:10):
worked his magic to get JohnQuincy Adams to win the House
over and get elected president.
And Andrew Jackson ever sincethen always said how Henry Clay
was a corrupt.
Like corruption.
Henry Clay like used all Pulledall these strings to get his
buddy in there because they werethe tariff boys and they wanted

(47:30):
tariffs, literally blamed himfor the death of his wife, him
and other people that.
Well, that was leading up tothis 1828 election, so that
happened.
Andrew Jackson was saying thatthe rich and the elite are
taking over the country and thatthe common man is not being
represented.
That was kind of what he ran on, but there was and the election

(47:54):
was very contentious there wasa situation where Jackson's wife
People said that Jacksonmarried his wife.
Jackson's wife got marriedbefore his wife's divorce was
finalized and that was veryscandalous at the time and it
was tabloids of the day and allthis stuff that she was just

(48:15):
like run through the ringer withthe gossip of the day of the
day, which, which andrew jacksonyou know, contributes to her
death.
I don't know what she died from, but just a general, I think,
illness.
I don't know.
I mean, I know I'm sure therewas something yeah, exactly what
I'm not sure, but uh yeah shewas basically being accused of

(48:37):
bigamy, which back then was abig deal.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
You know far more moral society you know.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
So.
So that's just the background.
So it was.
I mean, you think about todayand you know, I think a lot of
people I think it's just likethe more and more I've gone
through, we've gone through thetime and gone through past
things.
In america people think thatthis is the craziest time the
world has ever seen or thatamerica's ever seen.
But it's just not the case.

(49:03):
It's this.
This kind of stuff's been goingon forever going on.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I'd say it was even more acute at times and yeah, it
just wasn't 24 1828 electionsare this election seemed crazy.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Part of that so all this stuff leading up to it with
henry clay, you know, stealingthe election from andrew jackson
very common phrase that youhear these days is very it was
like kind of was the attitudegoing on and, um, since andrew
jackson then won this 1828election, there was this feeling
that Andrew Jackson was thefirst president to represent the

(49:39):
common man.
That was contributed also tothe fact that several states for
this election had relaxed thelaws that previously allowed
only property owners to vote, sothere was much more common man
representation in this election.
So when he wins, he was apopulist president.
He was probably the firstpopulist president that you
would consider.

(49:59):
There's a Jacksonian era thatthey talk about in America.
The people, the common people,the farmers of the country, the
common man felt represented forthe first time in a long time.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I would say I'd say Thomaserson had shades of it,
but even he was not that.
I don't think he played as muchas jackson did to the common
yeah, I feel like they mighthave liked him, but he was also
a uh, he was in like a naturalaristocracy.
He yeah, that's what I'm sayinghe, he was still with us.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Right, he was an aristocratic person, right.
So 30,000.
So then this inauguration washappening March 4th 1829.
The reason for the change fromMarch 4th to January 20th Do you
know this reason, john?
Well, the reason why?
So?
The reason why it was March 4th, it was in March.

(50:52):
Why so?
The reason why it was march,for it was in march, was be just
because of, um, logistics, ofgetting the president-elect to
to the white, like back then, itwas hard to get places in the
logistics of all that stuff andeverything.
So, um, it wasn't until the uh,uh, what, what amendment was

(51:13):
that?
The 20th amendment?
yeah, yeah, the 20th amendmentpassed in in 1933 changed from
march to january.
The reason to change it one um.
You know, with modern advancescommunication, transportation
they were able to obviously getto the white house and get
elected quicker.
But also the big thing was thatwhat do they call that Lame

(51:36):
duck Congress where in betweenelections, when there's a lot of
people in Congress who gotvoted out or whatever, nothing's
going, nothing's happening.
And to have that time fromNovember to March is pretty
crazy.
So they shortened it to January.
That happened in 1933.
So, thinking this it's March,springtime, getting warm now

(51:58):
Everybody's feeling representedin the country.
The mood in DC must have beenelectric at the time and got a
lot of people showing up.
30,000 people showed up forthis inauguration, which was a
lot of the time.
I think the current recordholder is Obama, at 1.8 million

(52:20):
people attended Barack Obama'sinauguration.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
I don't know if that's broken.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
1.8 million, yeah 1.8 million, so 30,000 people
versus 1.8 million.
That's pretty, but a lot ofpeople still.
And people were pumped to seeJackson.
These people came to see him.
They were excited.
He gave his speech.
He was sworn into office, gavea speech and as soon as he gave

(52:50):
a speech the crowd broke throughthe barriers and ran up the
Capitol steps to try to shakehis hand.
I mean, imagine that happening.
They'd be shot on sight.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Oh man, I think Trump would shake people's hands.
That's the thing he would.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
He would probably embrace it a little bit maybe,
but it'd be scary.
So that happened.
Jackson rode his horse back tothe White House.
He was able to escape thiscrowd, rode his horse back to
the White House.
He was able to escape thiscrowd, rode his horse back to
the White House, but the crowdfollowed him because in the
tradition at this time the WhiteHouse was open to the public on

(53:32):
Inauguration Day so you couldcome in and congratulate the
president or whatever, which Iguess up until this point wasn't
a huge deal because therewasn't this populist feeling of
like.
I feel like it was a veryheightened.
Only the high society wouldattend the inaugurations and
only the high society would evenprobably even think that they
were welcome in the white house.

(53:52):
But with Jackson, how he ran onthe like, uh, uh representing
the common man the every manfelt as though they were welcome
into the white house.
So they all followed him thereand ran in, to the point where
they were breaking chairs,breaking china, all this and

(54:14):
they actually.
There's a painting.
I sent it to John and itrepresents apparently what
actually happened.
It was so bad that Jacksonactually got pinned up against
the wall of the dining areawherever they were and, like I
mean, he couldn't even move.
He ended up having to escapeout a window to get to a hotel

(54:36):
yeah, I'm missing anything here,chief.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
So justice of the supreme court, joseph story said
, quote I never saw such amixture.
The quote the reign of King Mobseemed triumphant.
So yeah, they were there beforeJackson even showed up on his
white horse.
He was literally walking down,coming down on his horse from
the Capitol.
They were already there, theywere already in the White House.
I wonder if he thought like oh,what did I do?

(54:59):
You know, it's like I gotelected but now I gotta deal
with these guys.
I'm trying to go to bed.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I'm tired, I just yeah, like I didn't actually
want to hang.
I didn't actually want to hangout with these guys.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I've been on the road for three weeks.
My ass is sore from being inthe saddle for that long.
I was like I want to go to bed.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yeah, like I don't actually want to hang out with
these people Drink whiskey solike, but you know we can get
into it.
It was just mayhem and Icouldn't.
Obviously you can't imaginethat happening now.
But there was a little bit ofthought that a lot of the

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coverage of this event wasexaggerated by his political
adversaries.
So somebody who was like oh,they were out of control, trying
to kind of denounce, denouncethis, the uh, supportive of the
support, like the Henry Clay,probably John Quincy.
Adams didn't even show up tohis inauguration.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
That's another thing we miss.
There's only two former prop.
Until this point I don't know.
I'm not sure about after, butup until this point I don't know
.
I'm not sure about after, butup until now the only two
presidents who weren't at theinauguration for the next
incoming president were johnadams and his son john quincy
adams.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Well, you're missing a big one, too good for it.
You know who else didn't showup for the elections or the
inauguration?
Trump didn't show up for,biden's don't forget that oops,
I think there was.
I think there was maybe oneother didn't show up for Biden's
.
Don't forget that.
Oops, I think there was maybeone other.
But yeah, so I guess you'regetting your news from pre-2020

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sources, john, that's right.
So, yeah, think about if thathappened now.
It'd be insane.
If they let the like trump'slike biggest supporters, it
would be mayhem the crowdcontinued to descend into a
drunken mob, only dispersed.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
They only left the white house when bowls of liquor
and punch were placed on thefront lawn of the white house.
So the booze moved outside,people moved outside, and the
place was trashed.
That's how you do it, thoughthat's how you do it.
We got a kegger outside.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Get on the lawn.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Party's out back, they start flickering the lights
.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
I guess, it's like the candles, blow it out, put it
back on, blow it out, light itback on party's over, blow it
out, light it back on, uh boyapparently still have time for a
ball.
So like this party was going,I'm trying to like kind of see
here, it's like this mob wasgoing on.
I guess they got everyone outof the house, but then they

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still had an official inauguralball for administration
officials and Washington's highsociety.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
That Jackson didn't attend.
He didn't attend, but itactually set the stage for I
mean, you also have to thinkabout Jackson's deal with this.
His wife had just died inDecember, so his wife died four
months ago and he's dealing withthis.
He's got to be in December, sohis wife died four months ago
and he's dealing with this.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
He's got to be miserable.
He was blaming on probably halfthe people that might have been
at the party He'd be blamingfor her death.
He was a very vindictive kindof dude, I think.
Talk about a bad day at work.
But that set up the scandalwhich some of our fans may have
heard of, maybe not, called theEaton Affair or a little better

(58:28):
known as the Petticoat Affair.
It's kind of where this allkind of kicked off and that was
a scandal that almost broke downhis entire administration.
It was just crazy and it allinvolved a lot of people in his
cabinet's wives and a lot ofwomen like women's the wives of
his cabinet members just notliking this other woman, and the

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whole thing just almost tookdown his administration, which I
feel like today you don't hearso much from the first ladies,
especially the wives of cabinetmembers, especially the wives of
cabinet members.
I mean, imagine if Doug Emhoff,the husband of our current Vice
President, kamala Harris, justwent in there and just started
causing all kinds of commotion.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
What happened in the Petticoat affair.
John, you didn't do a great jobof explaining it there.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Well, here I can paint a scene for our fans.
I got a little write-up hereand since some of our fans like
my voice, acting, did you, didyou write this?
I had some help.
Would you use a friend from afriend?
Do you use chat gpt?

(59:39):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
it's funny because do you ever hear that now, if fans
remember from our uh reviewepisode, your new year's
resolution was to not use chatgpt, and you know how they say
and they say, they say that.
Um, they say that you most newyear's resolutions are broken by

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the second Friday of the year.
I guess you made it to thethird Friday Sounds good, good
for you.
You beat it by a week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Well, I got something here Go ahead I have this in
the voice of a of a 1930newspaper man uh, 1930, 1930s,
like uh read all about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Kind of new yorker accent here, let's, let's see
how this decade too late, butall right, let's go give it a
shot a century too late.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Um ah the petticoat.
See, it was a real humdinger.
Back in Andrew Jackson's day,1829 to be exact.
Picture this Jackson's WhiteHouse turns no powder keg over a
dame named Peggy Eaton.
She's the wife of Jackson'ssecretary of war John Eaton, and
boy does she cause a ruckus.
Peggy's a firecracker, marriedonce before, but tongues wag

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that her first husband kickedthe bucket because of her
cozying up to Eaton.
The society dames in Washington, led by the wife of Jackson's
veep, john C Calhoun, give herthe cold shoulder, treating her
like yesterday's newspaper.
They figure she ain'trespectable enough for their
fancy tea parties.
Now Jackson he's no fan of thiskind of snubbing Reminds him of
how his own late wife, rachel,got roasted by the gossips.

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So he goes all in to defendPeggy.
He leans on his cabinet to makenice, but most of them won't
play ball.
Calhoun and his missus, they'reat the center of the storm, and
Jackson ain't pleased.
This spat spirals out ofcontrol.
It ain't just about Peggy, it'sabout loyalty power.
And who calls the shots inJackson's gang?
By 1831, the whole cabinet getsthe boot, except for one fella,

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martin Van Buren, who's smartenough to side with Jackson.
Van Buren ends up looking likea made man paving his way to the
presidency later.
So what do we got?
A scandal that ain't aboutbooze or bank jobs, but about
society's rules and how one damelit a match under the white
house.
The petticoat affair, folks.
A political drama dressed inlace and scandal ain't that

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something ain't that something?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
that was pretty good.
That was a pretty good summary.
That's all you really need toknow.
Basically, this peggy eaton waslike a uh, she was a smart woman
for her does seem very welllearned she's like well learned,
paid attention to politicsbecause she grew up in a
boarding house that like a lotof politics would come in and
out of.
So she was very involved inpolitics and kind of knew a lot

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more than these other women ofthat time and they kind of
thought that was uncouth of herto be like talk with the guys,
talk about that.
But the politicians reallyliked her, all these men really
liked her a lot.
The women hated her.
So it was all this nonsense.
She married a guy from the Navy.
This Peggy Eaton married a guyfrom the Navy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
And then, I think, jackson, sent him to the
Mediterranean the Secretary ofWar John Eaton, who she would
end up marrying John Eaton senther husband to the Mediterranean
Sea for like duty and he diedthere.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
And then shortly after he died, she married.
Eaton Jackson really pushed forthem to get married because he
liked peggy, jackson, likedpeggy too, and she married him
like nine months later, which,on top of everything else that
people didn't like about her,that was way too quick to
remarry yeah, and I think thatthe guy probably killed himself.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
There's like, well, did he commit suicide when he
was away?

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
like because he knew what was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
But basically it was like they're saying it was
Jackson's secretary of war, johnEaton's, way of basically
getting him out of the pictureso he can move in and they could
be closer together, and that'skind of what ended up happening.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah.
And then they just snubbed herand then it was just this whole
two-sided thing going on, riffin his cabinet and Jackson's,
just like I don't need this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Yeah, really, I feel like I have a lot of Jackson's
administration, just like.
No, just knock it off.
I'm here for the common man.
I want to get some sleep.
I don't need to hear thisnonsense.
I need you to be loyal to me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
And that's it.
And then, on top of everythingelse like this, this, this high
class, higher I mean what do youcall it?
Aristocracy or whatever?
They sided with calhoun and hiswife because they wanted
tariffs.
It all goes back to tariffs.
Wait who cited they wantedCalhoun, calhoun wanted tariffs,

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calhoun and Clay wanted tariffs.
No, he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Yeah, he did.
No, he didn't.
He represented the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
He represented South Carolina because they were able
to do that, but he still.
Him and Clay were in bedtogether for tariffs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Maybe during the War of 1812.
I't think he.
No, I don't think he was, Ireally don't think he was.
Anyway, okay, okay, I don'tthink he was clay 100, 100.
But basically just remember,like this at this time period,

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like women, like the place ofpolitics, like while this, just
she seemed like a cool chick,just like a cool chick that got
on with the boys, but that wasnot what the 1820s was about.
Like women took their role insociety as, like the ones that
held the moral character ofsociety, like they were the,
like the flip, the platform formorality in society and politics
was seen as kind of an immoralrealm of mudslinging.

(01:05:55):
And that's why a lot of peoplesaid why would we want to give
women the right to vote and getdown in the mud and grime of
politics?
We're supposed to be holdingthe bill higher level, and some
women, especially in that thatsociety, took that very
seriously.
It's like our, it is our job aswomen to maintain a sorrel, a
moral high ground, and when wehave this woman come into the
white house and kind of, youknow, acting like one of the

(01:06:15):
boys, it just created a lot offriction and uh, yeah, people
started kind of digging deep butat the end of the day, like
jackson wanted his loyal crewand uh, but yeah, there were
certainly casualties to it,including john c calhoun and a
bunch of other people in hiscabinet.
But then the story goes thatmartin van buren was kind of
exploiting this whole affair andexploiting all this stuff as a

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way to kind of move in and andkind of fill that vacuum left by
everyone that left Jackson'scabinet.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
And then I just want to get in here.
Calhoun began his politicalcareer as a nationalist
modernizer and proponent of astrong federal government and
protective tariffs.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
So very beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I'm not yeah, right, so okay, just want to say it
because you make me feel youwere trying to paint me as an
idiot.
I wasn't trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
You were, I was not doing that, but anyway, yeah,
Calhoun sided with his wife.
His wife was probably really uphim like no, we've got to get
this lady out of here.
And yeah, just the whole thingfelt collapsed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
And you know, joke was on them.
At the end of the day, VanBuren resigned so that Jackson
could overhaul his cabinet forhis next election.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
You mean Calhoun resigned.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
No, eaton and Van Buren resigned in 1831, and then
, when he was re-elected in 1832, van Buren made him his vice
president, right, but I think itwas like listen, we'll resign,
so you don't have to worry aboutfiring us, so we'll resign so
you can get everyone else out ofhere.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
They were like the and he was pissed off, yeah, and
that created the rift betweenhim and calhoun, and that's when
calhoun resigned.
And then, yeah, it was a way,kind of, for van buren to kind
of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
It was a way for them to be like we'll bow out so
that you can get rid ofeverybody, right, because he
didn't want to.
If he got rid of everyone whilethey were still in it, it would
look they were boys, so theydidn't want to.
They were them boys.
Yeah, three of them Jackson,eaton and Van Buren were boys,

(01:08:27):
were them boys and everyone elsehated them, except apparently
the only person that didn't get.
When, when, when he, when heoverhauled his cabinet, the
postmaster general kept his job,was the only one kept a low
profile.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Obviously he was like sweating that one out yeah, so
then what would happen as aresult?
So that because man said we,then you get the tariff
abomination like four yearslater.
And then, yeah, calhoun, afterhe he left that vice presidency,
he filled an empty senate seatin south carolina and basically
became like he lost allpossibility of ever becoming

(01:09:05):
president.
Like that, going into theelection during Texas time, it
was thought that John C Calhounwould be like the heir apparent
for Andrew Jackson boys, boys,because they both had that in
common.
I mean, the one thing that hadcome is that Jackson and Calhoun
did not like clay, but thenobviously this whole Eaton
affair really kind of left thesour taste.

(01:09:25):
And yeah, so then Calhoun didnot like Clay, but then
obviously this whole Eatonaffair really kind of left a
sour taste.
So then Calhoun left andbasically would become for the
rest of his life kind of asectional leader.
He would be kind of seen aslike the face of the South,
leading the fight against Tariffand even some of the slavery
stuff.
That's kind of where he wouldstay.
Henry Clay would continue totry to run for office, run for

(01:09:46):
president, and not win.
Um, but yeah, it's quite a storyof different people.
But you wonder, bringing thatin today's world, you just
imagine, like imagine just todayif, like trump brought in, like
his cabinet he's got a newcabinet coming in and just one

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of the wives or husbands of thatcabinet just threw such a
wrench in it that that's whatcauses the whole thing to fall
apart.
It just seems so weird to meJust that time people carried
themselves a certain you know,carried themselves a certain way

(01:10:29):
, and if you didn't keep to thatstandard, oh yeah, okay, I was
wrong.
I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
About what Jackson was a proponent of the tariff of
abominations.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Yeah, why.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Sold his soul, dude Sold his soul for that
presidency.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
I don't think he was so much.
I think, once it passed, though, he was like now it's law of
the land, we're going to enforceit.
I'm the executive.
My job as the executive is toenforce the law and every state
we're in a union, every statehas to pay their fair share.
You can't have one state inthis example, south carolina
just picking and choosing whatnot to follow.
I get that but, they're saying,but he was more of a state's

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right guys too, so that's athing.
The introduction was a bit of aflim flammer.
He was kind of like he wasn't akind of common man.
I'll play a little bit, sothat's kind of why I think he
gets some comparisons with Trump, cause it's kind of like
loyalty, though, I think, waslike one of his biggest things.
Like he ushered in the wave oflike are you loyal to me?
Like the spoil system reallystarted cranking up under Andrew

(01:11:40):
Jackson, where if you help me,I'll help you, and that was
usually in the form of a job.
So our boy Charles Gatteau, youknow, could you know?
He was asking for a job fromJames Garfield, because that's
just how it was done for the youknow up to that point, 50 years
it's crazy how much of afreaking role tariffs played in
history.

(01:12:01):
I'm telling you, man, they're abig deal.
Well, just think it's not justabout a tax.
It's just like because it'sit's a case of the government
picking winners and losers.
It's just like a tariff.
They always say it has to bedone equally.
That's what the constitutionsays.
You can have a revenuecollecting tariff, but it has to
be the burden has to be sharedequally.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
We've already gotten through this, it's fine, we've
gotten it, so that's what we got.
Do you think we should beallowed to party in the White
House like they did back then?

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
How would you?
Yeah, I don't see why you can'thave people from the general
public in the White House tocelebrate, but obviously it's
going to come down to aticketing system, unless it was
like a lottery you could put inlike for, uh, just a lottery
system I like that idea.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
You want to hear some a funny tidbit that I learned
while doing some research here.
Sure, when the uh like it, youknow, obviously there's.
There's very little security,um, at the white house during
this time, and I was justcurious when did the security
around the White House start?
I found it pretty interestingthat, even though it was still

(01:13:11):
open to the public, there wasvery little security at the
White House until a drunk manthrew rocks at John Tyler.
And then John Tyler was thefirst one to create an auxiliary
guard at the White House, andthen John Tyler was the first
one to create an auxiliary guardat the White House.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
That dude was a born loser, whose house we're going
to be seeing soon, possibly,possibly soon.
Answer my phone call.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
So I thought that was funny.
So, really, even though youthink people should join it,
it's your boys started the trendof not allowing it.
So if you were able to go intothe White House at Trump's
inauguration, what would you do?
What would be the first thingthat you would do in the White
House if you could go in?

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
I'd probably go to the kitchen, the kitchen.
I'd be curious.
To the kitchen, the kitchen.
I'd be curious to see, like,let's see a day in the life of,
like, uh, the cooking staff.
Like feeling everyone.
How many people would I have to?
Like feed the cook?
Yeah, like what would Trump?
Like what is tribe going there?

(01:14:23):
Ask the chef like what do you?
What does what does thepresident make you?
Make him like what is a typicalday?
Look like he likes I know helikes big max trump, that is, or
biden.
Like what does he eat?
It's like oatmeal at 8 30 a 830, a little cinnamon and a
little honey drizzled over.

(01:14:44):
Like what does he eat?
What would you do 8.30?
With a little cinnamon and alittle honey drizzled over.
What does he eat?

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
What would you do?

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Check out the bathrooms.
Would you try to go to thebathroom in one of?

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
them.
I would try to sure if I had itin me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
One or two, two.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Upper deck or lower deck?
That would be epic dude deckthat would be epic.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Dude, that would be epic.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
I mean, you're kind of I would go and look at every
bathroom and and rank them.
I would rank every singlebathroom as far as privacy,
comfort amenities.
The Lincoln bedroom is wherethe presidents sleep right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
No, it's a guest suite.
It's a guest suite in thesoutheast corner of the second
floor of the White House.
Lincoln's sitting room makes upthe other part of the suite.
The room is named for PresidentLincoln who used the rooms for
his office.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Oh, interesting.
Well, I would like to see wherethe bathroom of the you can't
say master suite anymore, theprimary suite, I guess the
primary bathroom I would like tosee that.
Is it attached to the bedroom?
Do they have the shower andeverything and then do they have

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a separate enclosed room forjust the toilet?
I think that's the true signthat you made it in life.
If you have a bathroom whereyou have the shower and
everything and then you have aseparate little room that a door
shuts for just the toilet, justfor that double protection my

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sister had, I'm very jealous.
My sister has had it in theirhouse.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
In their bedroom?
You mean the toilet's separatedfrom the rest of the room?
Yeah, you mean like in theirbedroom.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
You mean the toilets separated from the rest of the
room.
Yeah, like you go into the, yougo into the overall bathroom
and it's all in there.
But then, like you go into adoor and it's just like a you
know what is it?
Maybe six by six room for justthe toilet.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah, I've been in those before.
They're big overseas.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
That's the definition of you made not really okay.
Well, there's another one thatyou made it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
I mean, that would be if I were to build a house,
that's what I would have forsure I definitely know for sure
in other countries, like, justlike middle class homes, you
just have the toilet and thenyou have to walk out of the
toilet to like go wash yourhands that's what I'm talking
about yeah, they have.
That's like a middle classthing.
It's not necessarily a sign ofwealth.
It's just that we make ourtoilet bathrooms here.
Do you have it?
I don't have it, but I've beenin houses.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
I don't have it either.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
I've lived in places that have it Good for you.
You're making it sound likeit's a meme.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
You're being very naysay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
It's a mean.
I'm sure at least one of thebathrooms has that in the White
House For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
They have computer screens and TV screens for
entertainers.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
It looks so dated though the White House.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Obama walking in this Lincoln suite.
It's just like Maybe that'swhat they're going for.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
just being translated .
I think they call it gauche,gauche, gauche.
I think is the is the term likedude.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
You got like the janitor.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Janitor, custodial services of the white house like
yeah, like, as the toilet'sever been clogged, all of my
stuff is based around bathroomtalk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
I feel like that's I which president's poop stunk the
most?

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
yes, I mean, I'm thinking like to your point.
You really do get an idea ofhow people live by their food
and like the chef and everything, but you really get to know how
somebody lives by theirbathroom habits, I think?
I think that's the number onething that you need to know, to

(01:18:56):
get to know people.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
But what about their habits in the bath?
What do you mean?
But what about?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
their habits in the bath.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
What do you mean?
Do you wash your hands beforeand after or just before hand?

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
washing what you use to clean yourself.
Do you lift the seat?
Do you put the seat back down?

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
These bamboo toilet paper, regular toilet paper?
Yeah, I got you.
I got you All those questions.
Well, they say you know howmuch a hammer the government,
how much does it cost to justfor the toilet paper in the
White House?
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
I'd like to see an itemized bill of like okay, I'm
looking at all these things,like, well, how much is that
costing a taxpayer?
Yeah, I guess that's why theydon't let people in.
That might be the real reason.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
I mean this is all very fancy, but you're living
like an actual king here, we allknow.
I mean, we all think you're anelected king now, but the
reality is you should be livinga little more modestly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Yes, that inauguration sounds crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Walk into the White House ghost.
There's a White House ghost.
It's the ghost of US PresidentAbraham Lincoln.
Oh, I'd have, house ghost.
There's a white house ghost.
It's the ghost of us presidentabraham lincoln.
Oh, I'd have a couple things tosay to him yeah, I'm sure
apparently it's totally wuss out, dude.
He's been haunting the whitehouse since 19 1865 you wouldn't

(01:20:20):
say anything to him youwouldn't have, you wouldn't have
the guts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
You wouldn't have the guts.
Could we speak?

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
to one another.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yes, what would you say to him?
There you go, maybe that's whatyou would want to do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
The White House's most famous alleged apparition
is that of Abe Lincoln.
First person reported to haveactually seen Lincoln's spirit
was First Lady Grace Coolidge,who said she saw the ghost of
Lincoln standing at a window inthe Yellow Oval Room staring out
at the Potomac in 1927.
Perhaps the most famousincident was in 1942, when Queen
Wilhema of the Netherlandsallegedly heard footsteps

(01:20:58):
outside her White House bedroomand answered a knock on the door
only to see Lincoln in frockcoat and top hat standing in
front of her.
She promptly fainted yeah, thatmight have been a dream.
Winston churchill loved toretire late, take a long hot
bath while drinking a scotch andsmoke a cigar.
There was an account that onthis occasion he climbed out of

(01:21:20):
the bath and naked but for hiscigar walked into the adjoining
bedroom.
He was startled to see lincolnstanding by the fireplace in the
room leaning on the mantle.
Churchill, always quick on theuptake, simply took a cigar out
of his mouth, tapped the ash offthe end of his cigar and said
good evening, mr president, youseem to have me at a
disadvantage.
Lincoln smiled softly as iflaughing, and disappeared.

(01:21:41):
So apparently the ghost ofAbraham Lincoln seen, saw
Winston Churchill's wheelie.
That's that's.
That's, that's groundbreaking,if you ask me that's
groundbreaking.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
So that's what you would want to search out.
You wouldn't want to do a ghosthunters episode in the white
house.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Yeah, I want to find that An effort.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
I'll talk to him would have I would, I would pay,
I would pay, I would pay everyamount of money that I have in
my name for to see you justtotally wuss out trying to talk
to him.
You could barely even talk tothe people at saratoga about
your love for the news.
Katuska, you totally wussed outthere too.
What do you like about it?

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
I would call on the ghost of Tadeusz Kaczuszko, to
have my back when talking withAbe Lincoln.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Yeah, all right, that's it for what we have today
.
So just sneak peek of things tocome.
I think we're going to.
Hopefully we're cutting aroundto the anniversary time.
We might be running a littlelate here, but on the OJ Simpson
, the trial of OJ Simpson, so wemay have a guest appearance

(01:22:53):
with some continuation of thesaga of Orenthal James Simpson.
I think John makes a good point.
Perhaps do some talk of nuclearpower Be interesting.
Maybe I don't know, the otherthing that we've been asked to

(01:23:14):
do, so we have some moviereviews that we're talking about
.
Might do some state flagcoverage.
I'm always a big fan of thetalk about we could rank the
state flags.
We've done that before.
That would be fun.
A little bit hard to do with novisual.
How do we do on time?

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
A little bit of a blowout, but that's okay.
Stay warm while staying curious.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
I think that's lame, that they're moving the
inauguration inside there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
I said it you think it should just be like, even if
it's just the president throwinga canada?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
goose jacket.
Trump, trump.
Can't throw a freaking canadagoose jacket on and go out there
he can.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
What about everybody else?
I'm a biden.
You have a biden out there.
You have a biden out there.
Maybe he can.
What about everybody else?
Biden?
You going to put Biden outthere in that weather?
Is he going to show up, youthink?
Has he said he is?
I think he will.
I don't know.
Did he say he's not?

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
I don't know.
Alright, fans, john, you goingto leave him with anything?

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Like I just said, stay warm, but stay curious.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
I got hairy legs.
Come on, man, and we saybye-bye.

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