134: We paid $35 to get yelled at by people in colonial costumes

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
all right, fans.
Um, we're back here with thefollow-up, the much-anticipated
follow-up episode from thecliffhanger that we left you on
last week.
Where we left you?
Gee, I really thought we wouldhave had some fan mail after

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that whole walkthrough of ourfirst of three days in historic
Virginia.
Maybe there's an issue withdeleting the stuff that
autofills, I don't know, justremember, leave it in there.

(01:03):
But yeah, so I don't know ifyou remember where we left off.
We had just finished touringSherwood Forest with our buddy,
tim Coyne, and that was the endof our first day.
We were waiting our fourthattendee to arrive and he

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arrived that evening.
What else did I, I know?
Re-listening to it, I found itfunny that John and I were
talking about how this guy, tim,why Tim talked too much and

(01:49):
talked about everything underthe sun and couldn't stay on
point, when the whole episodewas pretty much that, and I
think all of our listeners wereprobably saying the same thing
about us doing a two-part total,almost three-hour two part
episode on three days ofvacation.
That some might find a bituneventful, but I thought that

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was kind of funny and that's it.
So, where we left you off,we're going to pick right up on
Saturday morning we're headingdown to the beginning of the
official Historic Triangle ofVirginia, so we're done with the
plus portion of it and this isthe tourist trap that they call

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the Historic Triangle ofVirginia and you guys may I'll
let you guys, you know get toyour own opinion here, but I
would say it is it left a bit tobe desired on our end, so hope
we don't leave a bit to bedesired on this episode.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
So, yeah, enjoy.
And so then we had the coregroup at that point, so we were
four.
And then, yeah that we had thecore group at that point, so we
were four.
And then, yeah, we woke upsaturday morning and, uh, that's
when we, that's when we hit theroad and got into what we
didn't know, what, um, we didn'teven know that the jamestown,

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which, as matt said earlier, isthe oldest, uh, what was the
first permanent englishsettlement discovered in 16?
So it was founded in 1607.
We didn't even know.
Apparently there's two of themand the only distinction that
the national park service andthis, like this private entity

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that runs this outfit calledjamestown settlement, is one
jamestown, with and without anyat the end, yes, at the end.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So the national park is jamestown with an e, which is
the island that they actuallylanded on, and then there's
jamestown settlement, which isno e and that's run by what we
later learned was run by thestate and it is a tourist trap.
We picked the wrong one.
We went to Jamestown with no E,walked in, slapped with a $20

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entrance fee, I think I got $2off for having an expired,
expired AAA membership card inmy wallet and yeah.
So we got in and they take yourmoney and they give you no
direction on where to go.
So the theater we went to seethat they talked about instantly

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boom, slamming the slave tradesituation here, which is kind of
.
I mean, they always have tobring it up, it seems like.
But they brought that inbecause it was the first place
that the slaves landed to andthe Portuguese brought them over
, which we had to give a littlebit of a whoopsie to Mr R, who

(05:00):
is Portuguese by descent.
So you know, I had to give hima little tough love there.
But you know, left that off andthen, you know, you walk
through.
They said like go out the doorand go to the left.
So then we started goingthrough Like they got Again.
It's very touristy, like youknow.
They're kind of trying to makehistory fun, which you know,

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which they do, probablysurprisingly a worse job than we
do on the podcast of that.
My opinion they have a littleset up Indian village to tour
and look through.
We went into this.
I guess it was a longhouse.
We learned about longhouses andwigwams in elementary school, I
think it was a longhouse.
And then we're just minding ourown business and then some
woman walks up and she's justgot a polo shirt on.

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I think she worked forjamestown and um for the, for
the company, and she juststarted spewing all these random
facts but like what we learnedended up being a common theme
throughout this area is likethere's this weird like hybrid,
like um talking in present dayand talking in like some kind of

(06:06):
character from colonial times,so like it's present tense but
in that so like so she's liketalking to us and she's saying
like, well, you know, you, wouldyou, you'd be, you'd be a, uh,
gatherer, hunter, whatever, andlike she's trying to tell us
about, like our role.
I'm like, well, no, I'm uh, Iwork in construction, you know.
Like it was just like weird.
And then she was talking abouthow they had a fire yesterday to

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keep down the mold.
And if we didn't keep the molddown, and I'm thinking to myself
, is she talking like theyactually did have a fire in
there, or is she just kind oftrying to say like, oh, yeah,
like in the story, put you backin the time period.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh, you would have had a fire yesterday, and and
the men you would have just been?
Coming back from a hunt and thewomen in the tea in the
longhouse would have beenpreparing for your arrival and
you know.
But it smelled like fire andthere was definitely something.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
So I guess they did like it was just like I didn't
really want to get into it.
It was just like a weird vibefrom that because like she
wasn't even dressed in character, which some people were, she
wasn't.
I don't even know if she workedthere.
It was weird.
So we left there, walked down,they got some ships there and
docked in there like that, orthe ships that I guess had
landed there.
I think there was the Discoveryand I don't know what the other

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one is, but these ships wereway smaller than you would think
.
I guess they were built to sizeand the amount of people that
were on these ships and the factthat they sailed across the
ocean was pretty impressive.
But they were closed becausethey were renovating them.
So you couldn't even go on them, even though normally you could
.
And it was kind of funny seeingthe workers there trying to

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move the sails to work on theships and they didn't know what
they were doing.
That was kind of fun to watchfor a little bit.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
We were definitely getting the vibes of like this
was like we're just that waspercolating, this idea of them,
of places taking your moneywithout them, kind of giving you
fair warning that noteverything is open, like I feel
like not being able to go on theships would have been a pretty
core tenant of seeing thesettlement.
That was kind of just like thisthat's kind of where it all

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started.
It was just like, oh, you cango into this village and then
you get to the ships and youhear construction in the
background.
So here we are talking to thislady kind of in present tense,
kind of in past tense, whatever.
You're trying to get into theheadspace of what it was like in
1607.
And then you just hear thiscrane going off on the side like
dredging sand or I don't knowwhat, pulling out old concrete

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and I said oh wow, I feel likejust taken right back.
Oh, the British brought that.
I guess the English broughtthat one over.
I guess that came over on thefourth ship, a full-size
excavator.
Um, yeah, it was weird for thatI was like it's weird.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
We're kind of looking at each other like this is it's
just touristy, so then so we'rejust trying to go through.
It's a little bit of a loop, sowe go down there and then we'll
start walking up.
There's a, there's a imitationfort there.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
That's where we meet character number two of the
weekend we're, yeah, we'rewalking up and uh, we see this
man with a back with a hoe right, yeah, it was kind of like just
to set the stage.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
It was like kind of hot.
It was humid, it was very humideven though we were on the
water supposed to rain that day.
So there was like humid and itwas like hot.
It was like kind ofuncomfortable that day.
It was a little uncomfortablethat day.
So it was humid and it was hot.
It was kind of uncomfortablethat day.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It was a little uncomfortable that day.
But we see we're walking up tothis fort, this replica fort,
because we said this was not theoriginal settlement, so this
was all recreated.
And we're walking up and we seekind of rows of not crops but
the beginnings of what looks tobe they're growing, corn're
growing you know, I don't know,soybeans, something, they're
growing things and they actuallyare planting.

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We walk up to our left.
See, to our left there's thisgentleman with a hoe and he's
just churning dirt he's notdoing anything, he's just
looking busy looking busy, uhand I, we then kind of walk
towards him.
There's a, there's a, there's apost in front of him with
signage about, you know, likekind of the whole.
Like well, you know, during thewinter months he'd be playing a

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whole backstory on what wouldhave been going on at the time
and he stops what he's doing,which was nothing, we're pretty
sure.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Like it engages us.
It engages us.
We didn't want to engageanybody.
We were not interested ingetting into the Because at this
point realizing this is lame itwas already, we were already
bummed out and we didn't want toreally.
We just wanted to go in and out.
We had other stuff to do thatday, we had another place to go.
So we're making our way andlet's just see all this stuff.

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And he somehow engaged us.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I don't know what happened, but he, he engaged us
somehow and started reading thesign and we were all bantering,
as matt and I do, and everyone'skind of getting into it.
So we would have been likereading something and just
hypothesizing, you know,thinking this, that or the other
, what it would have been like.
And he just stopped and turned,he's like well.
And then he started this wholelike are you talking in present,
are you talking back?
Then he started it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
He was like yeah, he's like yeah.
I think somebody might havesaid what are you planting there
?
And he's like oh, I'm plantingtobacco, but we don't have the
seeds yet.
We're still waiting for them tocome in.
And I'm thinking is this carrot, are you?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
actually going to plant tobacco.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm guessing they don't plant tobacco on this
property.
They probably aren't allowed toor whatever maybe.
And that's the bit Like oh yeah, it's supposed to be coming on
the next shipment, but youdidn't really know, maybe he was
going to be.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
They were coming in the next.
Agriculture was going to sendhim something, but we just get
talking to him and it's a summerjob.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
It's a summer job for the guy I came here.
I mean, this kid, this kid'sdefinitely in high school.
I don't even like he, I don'tthink he graduated high school.
Yeah, he's got braces on, alsonot part of the time period, but
what are you gonna do, um?
And uh, I think you know.
We said, oh, he's like yeah, butwe planted that a while and he
points over to there was a rowof like crops there and he said
what all was there?
And one of the crops was cornand you saw a little stalk there

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or whatever.
And I said, well, you know whatthey say, the Dutch, or no?
I said you know what they sayknee high by July.
That's what it should be.
And I didn't really get much ofa response to that.
So I said, yeah, that.

(12:32):
So I said yeah, well, that's,you know, that's a pennsylvania
dutch thing to say, I guess.
And then john said well,pennsylvania, dutch weren't here
, um, yet, and uh, the guy, thisguy goes I don't know about
pennsylvania, but the dutch werecertainly here, and um, then he
goes on this tirade about howthe dutch were, you know,
involved in whatever new holland finding Pirating ships and
whatnot Right, and kind of justschooled John a little bit.
But really he was kind ofuninvited and we're just kind of
like, okay, it was just reallybizarre.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
This whole time we're leaving it, he's swinging this
hoe around.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
He didn't just put it down in the ground.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
He kept holding the hoe that he was using and he was
like fiddling with it like atany moment.
He's gonna like swing it, orhe's gonna like step on it.
The thing's gonna hit him inthe face hit one of us.
He was just like dangling withthis, like hoe, I was like just
you know, like la-di-da-di-da,oh yeah, and the dutch were, and
he's just like twirling thisthing and and he's talking to us

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.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
He's trying to give us like a history lesson, but
like it wasn't anything of realsubstance.
He's kind of using somebuzzwords.
He's like oh, you know theBritish, you know blah, blah,
blah, habeas corpus.
You know, that's how we're sorelated to the British and we're
like what?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
And then just like okay, he said the whole
revolution was summed up inAmericans didn't have
representation in parliamentbecause of habeas corpus, which,
yes, habeas corpus was a veryimportant thing in Western
civilization.
But he just was throwing outLatin and hoping it stuck.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, like Patrick Henry wasn't saying give me
habeas corpus or give me death.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, I mean habeas corpus.
Yeah, it was under the umbrellaof liberty.
Give me death, but yeah, habeascorpus was one of the things,
so yeah, it was just weird, itwas like a buzzword.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
So then John and Mr R get out of there somehow.
So then I'm like all right, I'mtrying.
You know you.
So then I'm like, all right,I'm like trying.
You're in a situation wherethis guy's what we came to
gather later is definitely thiskid's boss is like if you're not
talking to anybody, you got ahoe in the field, but you've got
to look your part.
Yeah, but if you're talking topeople you don't have to.
So this guy's like, oh, it washot.

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So this guy's like, okay, Idon't have to keep, let's keep
talking to these guys.
So so he keeps talking and I'mlike all right man.
And then, you know, mr r askedhim like oh, so how many?
How many seeds do you plant ineach one of these little uh
holes that you dug here?
And he goes, I'm not sure,maybe one, maybe three, I'm not
really sure.
And it's like, you know, hedidn't really know tobacco seeds

(14:58):
are so small, they're like tiny.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
You had a vial of them.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, it's like you definitely, you definitely just
throw it, but whatever.
So then John and Mr R walk away, and then it's me and Mr W and
we're stuck there and I'm likeall right, so I finally get away
.
I'm like all right, man, staycool.
And we leave.
And then he brings me back inand he's like, actually, if I

(15:27):
were to stay cool, if I wereworking in that time period, I
wouldn't be wearing any pants.
I was like what?
So he started explaining likeyeah, my shirt's very long and
when I put it on this morning itcame down to my knees.
So what people would do is,when they work the fields, they
would take their pants off andthey would wear just their shirt
that would cover them down totheir knees and I would take

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this off.
So then he started taking offhis shirt and I'm like, oh my
God, is this guy going to takeoff his pants?
I don't understand.
I didn't ask for this.
And me and Mr W are like what isgoing on?
And he takes his shirt off.
I'm like all right, man, andI'm still trying to walk away.
And then he starts explaininghow you might think that white

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is what doctors wear, but whiteis what the laborers would wear
back in the day because it wascheaper to make and the poor
people would wear white.
But doctors and surgeons Now,doctors went to medical school
but surgeons didn't go tomedical school, where surgery
was considered a trade.
So the surgeons the doctorswould diagnose and the surgeons
would do the surgery.
But the surgeons always thoughtthe doctors didn't know what

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they were talking about becauseof surgery.
And I'm like what?
I'm like okay great, I'm likeokay interesting.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Mind you, we had a musket firing at noon sharp
minutes away from them doing amusket presentation.
Yeah, we had to get out ofthere.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
So I finally got out.
It was just funny, man, it waslike that kid was a trip man and
yeah.
So then we toured the fort.
They had a musket demonstrationand then we got the hell out of
there.
But the thing, the real bummerand the real thing, if you are
going to go to Jamestown, ifanyone on the call is going to
go to Jamestown granted, Ididn't do any preparation.

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I probably should have knownthis.
But as we were leaving, westart walking into this.
They have a very nice buildingand that was one of the
complaints we had.
It's like, okay's the $20?
But then they have nothingoutside and the ships are.
I'm like, yeah, they'respending all their money on this
building.
But then we're walking, aswe're leaving, we realized

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there's this whole museum inthere that we missed because we
got no direct.
There was no Tour starts here,museum's here.
We didn't, there was no sign,we didn't know what we were
doing.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
So we ended up having to like basically skip the
museum because we wasted all ofour time talking to mr tobacco
back there when we could havebeen, like, actually looking at
something that may have beenmore interesting yeah, yeah, as
we were walking, there was atimeline of the basically the
first 100 years of englishsettlement in virginia and I
think the museum we don't know,we didn't go in but like would
be chronicling that first likewhy did they go to virginia?

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Why were they trying to makemoney?
How was the james, how was itall set up?
And it was a whole.
We got a whole backstory.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But yeah, we watched that movie.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
We skipped it and I just didn't point us.
Usually I feel like when you goto these, like they have a very
clear, you go in, you watch a5-10 minute film which they had
and then they would point you tothe oh, go through this museum
now.
It should take you half an hour.
Give you a timeline.
It should be 30 minutes to 45minutes.

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Walk through it so you have abackground.
Then you're not going to justbe talking to some kid with a
hoe about nonsense for 30minutes.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, that was a whoops, be talking to some kid
with a hoe, uh, about nonsensefor 30 minutes.
So yeah, so we, so we missedthat and we're like all right
because like, and then we sothat's whatever.
So so that was it for jamestown, really, I mean, we didn't we
had all 50 flags outside.
That was cool.
Yeah, it was cool.
We spent a lot of time at theflags where you know all this
stuff, like we kind of didn'tplan accordingly to get as much
done as we could in jamestownbefore we had to go to our next
spot, which we'll talk aboutthat now was williamsburg.

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Williamsburg, in my opinion, isthe biggest, most disappointing
, fraudulently run, shakedowntourist track place in the
country, maybe worse than disneyworld.

(19:33):
Disney world maybe moreexpensive disney world, maybe
more expensive, but youdefinitely get more out of
disney world than you do.
Williamsburg I will have to saywe got there a little late
again.
You know, we went to Jamestown,we got lunch I thought
Williamsburg supposedly openeduntil 9pm so I thought we had
plenty of time.
We had dinner reservations inWilliamsburg for 6.45pm so we

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timed it based on that, so thatwe'd be in Williamsburg looking
at the tours and get into dinnerright away.
So we get there around 2pm.
I had bought tickets online.
Long story short, I gave thewrong email, I didn't have
tickets, so I had to go to theticket stand to get our tickets,
which took forever becausethere was only one person
working and the lady justdecided to have conversations

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with everybody at the ticketthat were buying tickets and
tell them to give her tips andstuff.
And I'm like Lady, I gotta getmy tickets.
So I finally get up and get thetickets, and then this lady's
real rude.
I explained to her like hey,whatever, she's like okay,
that's fine, what's your name?
And I said Matt.
And then she's like okay, I'mlike well, it might be Matthew,

(20:41):
I don't know if I have Matt orup and I'm like government name.
Okay, I'm like well, sorry, Idon't know which it is and my
last name is very unique.
I won't blast it on here, butdefinitely could have been just
looked up by my last name, whichI think I explained to her.
I said, well, just look up mylast name.
I think there's probably onlyone, but she was really rude.
And then she's like Do you haveany questions?

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And I'm like, absolutely not.
Let's get out of here, get thetickets, we start walking.
I get everyone there.
We walk across this bridge thathas these plaques on this
bridge that tell you they'retrying to transition you back
into the time period, rightEvery 50 feet.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
You take over this bridge, you'll see a plink.
So it'll say okay, in 2000, youwon't have an iPhone.
And then you'll walk another 50feet.
It's now 1980.
You never heard of the internet.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
And then you keep walking.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's the 20s and whatever, so all the way back to
1774.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Right to 1774, right?
So we, yeah so, so we do so.
So we're walking there and I'mjust like we paid, we had to pay
for all.
On top of everything, we had topay ten dollars for parking.
Jamestown was alreadydisappointment.
I planned this whole thing.
Mr r and mr w are just likealong for the ride pretty much.
You know I feel kind of badabout they, knew what they were

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getting into and I would saythat tough like, yeah, you
signed up for this, but it justwasn't a good day.
Wasn't a good day Even if youweren't interested, even if you
were interested in history, itwasn't a good day.
But if you're not interested inhistory, but if you're not, yeah
, they were not historical sitesIf you're not interested in
history, but if you're not, yeah, they were both tourist traps.

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It's like We've so anyway.
So we're walking across thisbridge.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm like, oh my God, and so we get there and we're
furious too, because we justwatched the 10-minute film that
was made in 1958.
Oh that's a film.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
That was John D Rockefeller's Phil in
Williamsburg Business Center.
Fresh off of getting told touse my government name when I
buy tickets to Williamsburg, wego into this theater.
That is a.
There's a movie, a film thatthey're talking about I believe
ChatGPT told us to watch.
I planned all this on ChatGPT.
Again, I used I gave John thesame treatment he gives the

(23:08):
podcast.
So I used ChatGPT to plan this,which is part of why we missed
out.
But anyway, I think ChatGPTeven said watch this movie.
It's called, like I don't know,patriot, the Patriot Revolution
.
I don't know, yeah, patriotStory.
Yeah, whatever.
So, patriot story, yeah,whatever.
So we go into this theater.
We happen to time it perfectlywhere it's starting, right when
we got there.
So we're like, why not go inthere?

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So we go in, starts up.
Thank you, john D RockefellerJr for putting all this together
, making this possible.
It's like a whole John DRockefeller-like show, but it's
filmed in the 50s.
It could have been filmed inthe 40s.
I mean, this is a trashproduction.

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And we start watching it andI'm like I looked it up.
I actually it was horrible.
It was so bad.
It was filmed partly inwilliamsburg, which is kind of
cool, but they could redo it.
They charged 35 a person.
I mean, they could certainlyredo it and make it more um
hollywood watch just morecurrent it was hard.

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I mean, it was like it was likea movie that you would watch in
class at school in like sixthgrade, but not, not, but but you
would still prefer to be notwatching it.
Like you would prefer, like youknow how you would get excited
to watch certain things in class, like if they want, if they
like, if they showed this inclass, you would be like, can we

(24:35):
just learn?
Can we just can?
you just teach us, instead ofwatching back up yeah, and I I
had like I was like gettingbored and you know it was like
that they had freaking ThomasJefferson looking like a bozo,
they were showing the House ofBurgesses and all this stuff and
just the lead up to theRevolutionary War in Virginia is

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as far as we got.
And I look up online.
I get on there to check the runtime because I'm like how long
are we actually going to bewatching this?
We watched it.
It was like a 25 minute longmovie, I think, and I'm like all
right, it's only 25 minutes.
How long have we been watchingit?

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And when I checked my watch, wehad been watching it for like
five minutes and it felt like 20minutes.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I mean, it was horrible we couldn't am I right
anymore like, so I was just likedude I said like, dude, this is
20 more minutes of this, we'regonna lose.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Mr, mr r, mr w.
Mr w is probably gonna fly homeif we continue to watch this.
So we get up.
I'm like let's just bail.
So we all get up and we leave,and as we're leaving, there's a
family in the visitor center andthey must have spent.
After the experience that wehad, which we'll describe to you
in the future, now that I lookback, you can really tell that

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these people had gone through it, they'd gone through it.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
But they, they came.
We came out they asked us um,oh, you just watched that movie.
They said, yeah, and we justsaid it just started.
And they're like, oh, okay, butit, we watched 10 minutes of it
, is it?
Oh, then you're leaving.

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So then we presume they went in.
But we basically just told themit's a waste of your time.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
You really should just mosey on over that bridge
yeah, we kind of we kind of saidlike, yeah, we, they were, they
kind of insinuated like, oh,it's only been going on for five
minutes, you already left.
We're like, yeah, they're like,okay, I think they had, I think
they were on their way out.
I think they were like, oh,maybe we'll catch this movie.
And now I'm thinking they puttwo and two together.
We just went through ColonialWilliamsburg.

(26:52):
We've already been through the,we've already been through the
the ringer.
Literally and I don't think wecan, I don't think we can do
anymore.
So they came back to the 21stcentury.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
We're going into the 18th century.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
And we kind of cross paths and it would be like
watching in the Vietnam War orin any war, when you're landing
in the, when the new soldiersare landing in the war zone and
the soldiers who have alreadybeen in there are leaving the
war zone and crossing the.

(27:30):
You kind of feel that sense oflike we're the fresh ones and we
kind of have hope in our eyes.
And this family already wentthrough it and they're like one
more shot.
How was that movie?
And we're like we couldn't evenwatch five minutes of it, so
probably should have taken ahint.
We each probably could havetaken a hint from each other.
I think I kind of just lostthat point.

(27:53):
And we went over the bridgeinto the 18th century.
We had already paid, so we hadto do it and we had dinner
reservations.
So what do you want?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
We take a 10 minute walk over the.
So we walk over the bridge andthen there's like a 10 minute
path you got to walk to to getto a full scale model town.
Basically, that is looks likeit could be out of the 18th
century.
That's.
that's the whole shtick, partlyit is paved in asphalt, which I
didn't agree with but paved inasphalt, which I didn't agree

(28:25):
with, but paved in asphalt,there's people on bicycles and
people rollerblading and not yousaw as soon as we walked in
here, we're like what is thisplace?
yeah, we, we, the shine, thestar, you know, began to dim
pretty quickly, um, to put aphrase.

(28:46):
And so we're there.
And you know we're not tryingto.
We're not trying to get intoeverything.
We kind of knew we were therelater in the day, so we're not
trying to get into every littlething or see every exhibition
yeah, we had two.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
We had two things to see.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Really, john, yeah, john had two things on his list
we wanted to see the governor'smansion, which is a big, big,
big building on the on the site,and we wanted to see, uh, the
capital, the virginia capital,which, uh, was where the house
of burgesses sat, and it's, um,it's, it's one of the longest
continuous legislatures in northamerica.

(29:23):
So we get there and where wekind of pop out from this trail,
it turns out to be right nextto this governor's mansion.
So we find out that the tourstarting within a few minutes,
we see, you know a line, um,kind of gathering outside, and
so our 35 ticket.
You know, we paid, matt paid,we showed it and we were able to

(29:45):
get into the governor's mansion.
And we are then with a bunch ofthese people and we get a tour
guide through the mansion, andthe mansion was pretty cool
actually.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, there were a bunch of guns.
It was cool, a bunch of guns.
There were a bunch of guns.
The tour guide was pretty cool.
She gave off similar vibes tonadia she tried a little harder.
She seemed like she was more.
She made some funny comment oflike yeah, the guns are here
because, like, yeah, if you cometo see that or no.
She made some comment like well, when you come into a

(30:18):
government, we were in thewaiting room and she's like you
know what happened.
You come into a governmentoffice, you wait around, so this
is why this room's here, orsomething which is funny, yeah,
and she gave a whole backgroundof guns and daggers and swords
on the walls and she basicallysaid they're all functional.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
But again we're back in 1774 here, and it's the
governor's mansion, and thegovernor was a representative of
the king himself.
So everything was meant to be.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
You know, like you're in the splendor and the
presence of like yeah, of wealthand power and prestige like a
show, like to show like you're.
You don't mean, you don't meansquat, you know just to.
To stay a subject yeah, you are.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, you are one of the king's underling.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, the cool thing about this building as far as
Williamsburg goes, because a lotof it was John D Rockefeller
Jr's you know pet project, as welearned in that film well, the
first minute of that film thatit was built on the original
foundation.
So this building had beenburned down and it was rebuilt
on the original foundation.

(31:23):
So this is where it was andeven though it was rebuilt on
the original foundation, so thisis where it was and even though
it was rebuilt I think theywere able to the archaeologists
were able to gather enoughinformation, like pieces and
whatever, to be able to make itlook how they figured it looked
back in the day.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, that was pretty cool.
They were able to.
You know, with the evidencethey had to work with, they did
have a mantle piece that wasoriginal and like from that it
was like a discolored.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, it was like a very small piece of the mantle,
the fireplace, and they wereable to recruit just from that
piece.
They were able to recreate thedesign and they kept the piece.
They they merged the piece inwith the reconstructed piece,
which was cool, so there waslike a yellowed portion that you
could tell was the originalpiece and we learned out also
that if you just took a littletoothpaste to it, yeah, this is

(32:13):
one of the guys.
The tour was like, yeah, youtake a little bit of that new
purple toothpaste.
They're all taught, they'realways talking about it, take
that right out that yellowing.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I was like, yeah, okay, so we're just cruising
room to room and we kind of justbreeze through.
It was cool.
It was cool there were somecool stories.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
There were some cool stories of the story that so
this guy, so the guy who livedthere, was like the governor, so
he was.
Yeah, so he was.
He was a real bozo.
He had a far like.
He looked like a goofball umand he ended up like just like
hightailing it out of there onthe eve of the revolution.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Didn't tell anybody.
Just left one morning All ofhis servants, everyone was there
, all of his servants andeverything.
Told nobody.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
That was kind of interesting.
Then he tried coming back, Ithink, and they were like nah,
you're not coming back.
I think that was part of thestory.
The whole time I couldn'tfigure out if our tour guide was
pregnant or not and I was, uh,I wasn't alone in thinking that.
You know, another mr w, Ibelieve, also was wondering
because, like, how their outfitsare, you know, they kind of
puff out around the area whereyou would be pregnant.

(33:17):
So I couldn't figure it out.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, but I didn't know if it was okay to ask her
the question, so I did not yeah,couldn't got us kicked out, but
then that could have been ablessing in disguise based on
where we ended up.
So, anyway, so we get throughthis house and it's really nice
like there's a we let us out theback of the house and there's
these like gardens and there's awhole like maze that you could

(33:44):
walk through which we did, itwas cool seeing the maze.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
So then we went over and then they had it.
So when we were and there's awhole maze that you could walk
through, which we did it wascool seeing the maze.
So then we went over and thenthey had it.
So when we were, justflabbergastedly before we took
the tour of the governor'smansion, this woman who works
there says oh, we're replacingthe kitchen expose with a
brewery.
So if you want to see thekitchen, make sure you see it
today.
And if you want to come thekitchen, make sure you see it

(34:11):
today.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
And if you want to come back, make sure you see the
brewery or whatever, and um, sowe definitely sold.
Oh, and see the kitchen.
We did these people workingthere I'm at.
Um, I didn't think they peoplereally tried that hard to get
into character.
Yeah, they had like thecostumes on and this and that,
but not much in the way ofaccents or any kind of like
speaking and like everywhereelse.

(34:32):
We went, like we said earlier,jamestown, like places.
People were like puttingthemselves in the time period
speak.
These people weren't even liketrying.
They were kind of just like ohyeah, I'm making this, I'm
making that, and so we're inthis kitchen and this guy's got
this whole lineup.
This the chef, the cook of theproperty, has a whole lineup of
like what they would have eatenback then.

(34:52):
Some of them look pretty good,a little old, but looked good.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, so the he's the cook.
The chef there said or the cook, I guess, said that he made it
all.
It was all made there.
Did you say that already?
It was all made there.
There's a fire set in thebackground no, I didn't specify
that it was all made, yeah, onsite.
But yeah, yeah.
So he said that he they made it.
We must have missed them makingit.
So they just had it all set outon the table.
Um, and yeah, the guy's like wewalk in and we're just like the

(35:21):
guy's like, yeah it's all made,like okay.
And then that was like some waslike kind of like a weird, like
silence, and then so then johnsays like so did you did you
explain.
So there was a woman, there wasa woman in there.
So the chef was there, and thenin walks a woman and she's
behaving very 21st century she'sbehind him, she's cleaning up,

(35:43):
she says like sous chef orwhatever that 18th century she's
making like 21st century typequips about stuff and it's like
real weird.
She's got tattoos all over herarms, that wearing short sleeves
with tattoos, and she's got alip ring and she's behaving like
you know, not like how a womanin the 18th century would talk.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, maybe someone in the red light district, but
maybe maybe, maybe I get it.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I mean, she was being , she was just kind of like
joking around and I hate it here, I don't know, she was just
like making this weird Mattwould say she was quiet quitting
?
I think she's quiet quittingyes.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Very loudly.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I think she's like not even putting any effort in.
She's hoping she gets firedfrom the job and the lack of
effort comes in.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
So I see all this food on the table, right, I look
at it.
I said, oh, you know, just likejust starting conversations, oh
, what are we making here?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
And what Stuff?
Yeah, this woman just goesstuff and John's just like kind
of taking it back, like okay.
So then the cook kind ofexplains everything that he's
doing.
At that point we got yelled atby this woman and we're just
like, okay, I don't want to behere anymore.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
She's trying to be funny.
She's like, oh stuff, oh, Ineed stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
That's the best effort she's putting forward.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I paid $35 to hear you yell the word stuff at me
and the guy did proceed toexplain what it was and it did
something that sounded prettytasty, but she's like stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
But then you know, but then you remember, remember
at that one point.
Then there was like thisdessert, and I noticed that
there too it looked like ahedgehog, it was like a, it was
like a dessert made out of likemarzipan I think, I think
itppered almonds, yes, marzipanand slivered almonds made the
spikes or whatever of a hedgehog.
And when I walked in, I'll behonest, I thought, oh, is that a

(37:34):
real hedgehog?
But then I kind of lookedcloser.
I'm like, yeah, they definitelyjust made that or whatever.
And then the woman with the lipring started going off about oh
, there was a woman in hereearlier today.
She, she was upset with theport, like she.
She said, like I don't know,I'm not happy with this, talking
about the, the hedgehog and andI would say, do you really
think that we have a hedgehoghere?
Do you really think that's areal hedgehog?

(37:54):
I mean, look at it, it'sobviously.
She was getting like attitudeabout it, this in front of the
people who paid $35 to come seeyour stupid show.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
We pay your salary.
Lady Matt and I left.
We walked out.
I was over it pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Mr R, poor guy got dunked on this whole trip, this
whole trip to Williamsburg.
I mean, he was not in hisstride during Williamsburg.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
He stays.
He's a very inquisitive guy.
He's very inquisitive.
He likes to understand hope,you know, let things percolate
and ask questions good questions, like qualified questions, not
like mine, rhetorical andarrogant.
He'll ask questions that arelike yeah, so what is this and
how does that connect to thisand so?
But we're not there for this.
We walk out of the kitchen andhe's.
He's left to his own devices.

(38:44):
A few minutes go by and thenwe're outside.
He comes out and he's likeflabbergasted.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
He looks like he just got pantsed.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Taken to school.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Just seems dejected and we're like what happened,
man?
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
And he says yeah, I don't know.
I'm just in there, I was justasking this question.
I see they had this contraptionthat had this rigging and this
pot within here and basically itlooked like, I think, what we
would all describe in 21stcentury parlance as a rotisserie
.
And so that's what Mr R asked.

(39:24):
He said, oh, is this like arotisserie?
And they and so that's what, uh, mr r asked said so, is this
like a rotisserie?
And they shouted back at himwe're not french, we're british.
To which, knowing mr r he wouldhave been like okay, excuse me,
I don't know the english word,that which I don't think.

(39:44):
They then told him.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
I think they did show him how it works, but again
just like rude.
I think he just walked out likeconfused and we're just like
let's get out of here.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So we walked down the paved streets in the 18th
century Williamsburg.
Yeah, there were some horses.
Guys on rollerblades.
Guys on rollerblades.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
There was one guy driving a horse carriage.
He had cornrows.
I don't think that was ahairstyle from the 18th century,
but I haven't confirmed that.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
And he wasn't speaking in dialect.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I mean and again I don't care this woman with the
lip ring and the tattoos.
You can do whatever you want,but don't work at Williamsburg
or, when you're working, coveryour sleeves and take out your
lip ring.
I mean, it's not thatcomplicated.
You know, these people paid $35to feel like they're in the
18th century and you're walkingaround with tattoos and a lip
ring and a guy with cornrowsDude, you can't make your hair

(40:44):
into cornrows.
Maybe cornrows were.
I haven't looked that up.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
It's possible, Maybe it starts somewhere, but it was
getting late in the day, youknow, the hours were going long.
It started raining.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Raining off and on so it started raining a little bit
so we walked in.
So how they designatedbuildings.
So there are a lot of buildings, not all of them were open, so
they designated what buildingswere open.
There was a cool like a I guesswhat colonial flag, colonial,
colonial american flag, whatevertickets.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
There are a bunch of ticket shops to sell you things.
They were, yeah, they wereselling it was.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
They were selling a bunch of shops and tickets and
experiences, all the stuff.
They're selling everything,smith, but there's like nobody
out, like there's no, there wasnobody like in character, out
amongst the streets like doing,yeah, like I thought it was
gonna be like a theater somebodygetting up on a soapbox.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
So gather, oh, hear thee, hear thee, gather, gather
the british, the british lordread lord dunmore's proclamation
declaring martial law.
We must fight, push back likeand they like us.
You know you'd expect a crowdto gather, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, we're just lollygaggingthrough this town on pavement.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
It's like a town.
That's like a normal town, butjust with old buildings that we
paid $35 to get into.
Some people were dressed funny,some people weren't, so anyway.
So it started.
They had like a littledemonstration, more muskets
demonstration.
That was interesting.
The one thing that was prettycool is that, since there were
horses going through the city,there was a lot of horse poop on
the ground and the soldierswere marching right towards a

(42:13):
big pile of horse poo.
So we were up to three or thefour of us were all like, oh man
, are they going to step in it?
Are they going to step in it?
Because they were like marchingin line and I think they were
able to avoid it, correct?
They?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
did and they didn't step.
They didn't step sideways, theyjust stepped in between.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I was, I was thoroughly impressed while they
were playing their little fifeand the drums and everything.
Um, so, so it starts.
So that's, it starts rainingand we're like let's get out of
the rain.
So we walk into a courthouseand you know, because they had
the flag, it was designated thatit was open.
So we walk in and I make thecomment like oh yep, here to pay
our taxes.

(42:50):
And the lady in the front'slike you didn't pay your taxes
in the courthouse, you paid itin city hall.
Like okay, I was just kidding,whatever, I'm just trying to
make a joke.
So we get in.
So we get in here and you knowwe obviously are not interested.
The courthouse is empty,there's nothing in it.
And there's this guy who'sdressed like a colonial,
whatever, talking normal.
Again, it's like, yeah, sohere's the courthouse.

(43:10):
He's like any questions?
Like what?
You didn't even say anything.
I'm like, well, what's this,what's that?
Like you know what?
You know?
He kind of started explainingit and then he was like this is
where you.
And then I asked the questionlike well, what kind of cases
would be seen here?
Like what kind of crimes?
And he was saying like it wasmostly like petty crimes, like
you know, owing money and youknow, small claims court,

(43:33):
basically, would be here and MrR decided to ask the question or
make the comment or I don'tknow if it was a question or a
comment, and it's something thathe claims he read in Jamestown.
He said I forget exactly how heworded it, john, but it was
something like I read somewhereand he meant Jamestown.
But he didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I read somewhere that slave owners who murder, who
kill their slaves would not becharged a felony.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah, that's what it was right.
And the guy got very offendedby the question and started
going awful on Mr R, saying youcan't listen to, you can't
believe everything you read.
It wasn't like that, it wasn'tthat bad.
And I think he got, and I'msure it happens to them all the
time.
Everyone wants to bring up,which is like Mr R maybe.

(44:24):
I think maybe as seasonedamateur history enthusiasts, you
know me we kind of know not toreally bring up the S word in
questions.
You know, because you're justinviting questions, because I
think it probably happens a lotwhere people are like weren't
there slaves?
It's a big topic ofconversation, especially going
to Colonial Williamsburg.
So I think he was on defensiveimmediately when Mr R was just

(44:47):
kind of asking a question Iguess he was kind of getting at
is that a crime?
I guess that crime wouldn'thave been tried here.
Or is that a crime that wouldhave been tried here because it
wasn't considered a big dealback in the day?
But the guy really didn'tanswer him and we kind of left
with our tail.
But then some, then otherpeople came in and were like

(45:08):
good, and we got out of there.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah.
I asked him a question aboutcommon case law and we ended up
down a thing and I was like,yeah, like we've heard any more
British.
And he's like man, well, wegive us the British system.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
And it's like, well, we kind of talking present day
politics a little bit and thenit's like this is weird and
let's get out of here.
Like oh, it's not that muchdifferent than the Brit, you
know.
And it's kind of like, allright, whatever the rain had
stopped, we got out of there.
Another family came in, so wewere good.
There was literally nothing tosee in this house.

(45:40):
It was just.
You know, you would think theywould have had maybe.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Or a clerk, even if he's doing real work, like a
judge's clerk, maybe writingsomething on a paper, but doing
real work, yeah oh welcome tothe courthouse.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
We just saw this thing today, right, oh, we just
saw.
Oh, you just missed it.
So-and-so got charged withso-and-so, we dealt with
so-and-so and the whole thingcan be set up.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
The two people at the front can be like oh yeah, no,
they're just beginning todeliberate.
Uh, if you wait a few minutesout here, you know we'll let you
in and they do something on thehalf an hour, every half hour,
every hour yeah everythingshould have been a thinker.
And he's like nope, here youcome on in, you got your little
ticket, you got your littlething.
You're a little 35.
Thanks for the 35.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
We're giving you nothing for it, so we leave and
then.
So we're moseying around, mosearound, and the only other thing
that we really wanted to seewas the Capitol building.
The Capitol building, which iswhere the House of Burgesses
would have met, which is thefirst organized political
assembly in the history of.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
North America Oldest, continuous yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
And that's kind of cool.
Don't know if the building wasoriginal or not.
I assume it wasn't.
But the reason why we can'ttell you is because we walk.
So the, the governor's mansion,which is where you kind of walk
into the park at, is where wedid the tour.
That was kind of cool.
And the, the capital capitalbuilding yeah, that's what it is

(47:08):
, capital buildings on like theopposite end of this, this main
street, that's there.
So, um, and we were kind ofmoseying around again.
We had, we had, we didn't haveour dinner.
Reservation was until 6 45.
So we're trying to like killtime kind of try to find
something that we'd beinterested in.
Stopped at some shops, lookingat some stuff and, you know,
stopped in that stupidcourthouse and so then're just.
So we're moseying down thestreet and the flag that

(47:32):
indicates that the Capitolbuilding is open to tour is in
the ground and there's a womansitting next to it in colonial
whatever, and we get 10 feetaway from the entrance, do you
think?
Yep, and as soon as we're 10feet away and the bell on the,
the tower of the capitolbuilding, rings to signify that

(47:56):
it's 5 pm, and as soon as itrings, the woman in colonial
outfit, lifts the flag out ofthe ground, goes in the gate,
closes it, locks it and sayshave a good night guys, and
walks away.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
It's all smiling at us the whole time.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, just smiling, ha, ha, ha ha, and I couldn't
believe what had just happened.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
It was like the final straw.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
I couldn't believe what had happened.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
And mind.
We're dragging mr r aroundagain.
Massad had a rough go with hisknee.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
We're dragging him along, mr w has zero interest in
history.
We're trying to.
So me and john, as the amateurhistory enthusiasts and podcast
hosts and you know it's ourpassion to make history fun for
people are trying're trying ourbest to do it.
But I'll tell you whatWilliamsburg wasn't helping, and
when this happened, I justturned around.

(48:56):
I can't believe it.
I don't know what to do.
I'm just disgusted.
I was disgusted, I couldn'tbelieve it.
Now, granted, I'm a littleupset.
I'm I'm upset at myself for nothaving um looked it up prepared

(49:16):
, but also maybe we could havesaid something to this lady like
, hey, can we come in for liketwo minutes?
I just want to see it.
But I was so upset and so, likemad, I didn't even want to give
her the satisfaction of likebegging to give her that power.
You know what I mean.
I didn't want to give her thatpower.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well, the whole thing was just very tone deaf, I feel
like the whole setup ofWilliamsburg.
They just knew once they hadyour money, they had you and
they just didn't have to feellike, oh sorry guys Like, sorry
guys, we closed the debt at five.
I'm sorry, sorry you guysmeaning to come in here and
we're like, yeah, like can we goin?
sorry, like we have aheart-stripped five o'clock
policy, which which is not yoursdidn't say it in the brochure a

(49:57):
bunch of these shops, so theyhave like these.
The maps they give out are goodfor two weeks.
They've got like two weeks umof like programming and then
they come out with new maps, Iguess throughout the summer, and
on the map it just said capitaland it didn't say open from 10
to 5, like it didn't say thewhole park's open till 9.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
But then these select places yeah, but the park is
open till 9, which is not reallyeven a park because it's open
to, just like the surroundingstreets.
I don't know, you could justwalk in off the street, not pay
35 to get in, but then youcouldn't get yelled at by the
guy in the courthouse about uh,asking about slavery.
So I don't know if that's whatyou want to pay for.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
So we're standing out here and we we go off.
To the side of the buildingthere's people funneling out, so
it's not like they're not.
I don't see the woman whoclosed the gate.
She's not shooing people away.
It's like there's still peoplein the building finishing up
their tour, which lookedself-guided.
So they're coming out and we'restanding there and, just like
you know, tail between our legs,like what are we going to do

(50:57):
now?
Like it's, it's five o'clock,we have an hour and 45 minutes
to our reservations, like whereare we going?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
and there's like like there's literally nothing to do
, like you can't even findanything to do here.
And I later looked up and thisis my mistake again I later
looked up that it does say onthe website that everything
closes at 5.
It doesn't say on the brochure.
I don't know why they keep theplace.

(51:22):
They advertise it being openuntil 9 if it closes at 5.
But whatever.
So long story short, we werevery upset.
We ended up being able to.
Luckily, mr W got online andbooked an earlier reservation
for dinner and we just wentright in right after that

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complete letdown and had dinner.
We had dinner at King's ArmsTavern, which was it was
supposed to be fair from the18th century, I think.
We all ordered water, orsomebody said I'll stick with
water instead of getting a beeror whatever.
And the waitress was like oh,that's fancy, very fancy for you

(52:05):
to have water.
They'd be forcing you to drinkbeer back in the 18th century.
And it was like okay, we weredone, done, we're done.
We weren't in the mood.
We're just like okay, but wewere there mid julep, which I
hate.
I don't know why I even got thatand had like the worst whiskey.
They used the worst.
Whatever, I'm not going tocomplain about because the food
was very good it was a little.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
We were amped up.
We were am up.
We have to be honest with ourfans here.
We were amped up for this oneparticular menu item which was
which one?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Well, there was two Peanut soup, peanut soup as an
appetizer and our waitressactually said people come from.
Now, this is another area whereI didn't really know if she was
being in character or not.
She said people come from milesaway to try our peanut soup and
I'm like are you just?
Is that like?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Because miles away would have been a big deal.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Right, yeah, but I got the peanut soup and it was
very good.
It was like a liquidy, toneddown peanut butter.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
With chicken broth.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
It was like peanut butter mixed with chicken?

Speaker 1 (53:08):
yeah, or vegetable broth.
I think it was vegetable broth,wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
yeah, but I believe your first bite.
You thought it was the mostdisgusting thing you ever had.
I thought you bit into someginger.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah, I think I've been into some ginger which I
don't like and I was like veryupset and then like after
everything I'm but ended upbeing very I loved it, I loved
it.
I want to try to make it myself.
I'd recommend anybody.
If you ever see peanut soup onthe menu, if you like peanut
butter, you should get that.
But the meal was fine.
It was good.
It was good food.
I got prime rib, john got asteak.
There was what did Hen?

(53:43):
I think the other two had henHen, yeah yeah.
So it was fun.
We get dessert, bread, bread,bread pudding.
There was a dessert.
So like they had like the theyhad.
They had like an excerpt fromthe, from like what you would
assume would be like recipes orwhatever like of the fair to
like describe it and they saidwhere they were from.
So like some of the things werejust kind of generic, like 17,

(54:07):
you know, 80, whatever, likelike a recipe book or whatever.
But there was one item that wasfrom the chef of Thomas
Jefferson and that was a dessertand it was snow eggs which was
basically like meringue.
That looked good.
Mr R had that and he said itwas very good.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
We got bread pudding, which was also quite nice.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Did you get bread pudding too?
I did.
Yeah, the bread pudding wasgood, so that was good.
I mean, if it wasn't for that,Williamsburg would have been a 0
out of 10.
King's Arms Tavern brought itto like a 2 out of 10.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, and the crazy thing is.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Even if it was free to get in, I would have hated it
, let alone you're.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
So 35 a person baffling that no one's ever said
.
Everyone seems to have saidthey love it oh, yeah, my family
there.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Your co-worker was a big fan yeah, I had a co-worker,
so I I think the only thingthat I can defend and that why
we can't really comment on I'llnever go back to find this out.
Maybe if I have a mutual friendwho I might trust their opinion
about it, I would ask if we gotthere earlier, maybe it would
have been a little bit moreactive and a little bit more

(55:21):
Maybe if the weather was nicer,if we got there earlier in the
day or maybe earlier later inthe season it's it is before
memorial day still.
So like me and like I think thetickets are a little discounted
I think it's normally likefifty dollars to get in in the
in the I know.
So like maybe we just off offseason, but like it shouldn't be
, like I didn't do enough, Iwent into it assuming that it

(55:44):
was more of a historical thingthan just like kind of like some
BS attraction tourist trap.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
They could have done a much better job of blending
history with theater.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Basically is all you're asking for.
I don't think that's too muchto ask, but I think honestly.
I do think, like 40 or 50 yearsago, I think more people would
have gotten into it and I dothink the events of the past
five years, post COVID.
I wouldn't be surprised if allthat the modern politics I think
has spilled into it and I justfeel like people are a little
more toned down.

(56:18):
They're all in eggshells tolike really kind of get it like
the guy in the courthouse.
But, um, yeah, so we, we leftfor dinner.
We left dinner.
We had to walk all the way backout.
Um, and let's just say, once wegot back to the 21st century,
we were thrilled.
We tried to walk back into thevisitor center that had closed,
so we had to walk all the wayaround.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah, it was bad.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
You were striking out every which way.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
On our way out, though it was kind of fitting to
see there was a guy using ahoop uh push, like using that,
like uh, a hoop, like a hoop,and stick pushing a hoop, a hoop
down the street and like no, Idon't know if I am, and then
there were also people whoapparently live in these, some
of these houses, and we didn'tget that.
Like they live there.

(57:04):
They're 80 families, you know,and this guy's pushing the
street Like there was no, I mean, but that's kind of what I
thought it was going to be.
I think there was going to be alot of that, like a lot of
people do, like playing, likeplaying, living their life.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Living their life, living a colonial life.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, like, and with like in front of nobody, so I
didn't really.
I tried cheering him on and heignored me, so but yeah, that
was it for williamsburg.
I can't not recommend thatenough, or I can't what would

(57:39):
you say like?
Unrecommend, disrecommend?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
cannot recommend it anymore if I tried to no.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I cannot not, you can't not recommend it.
That would be you can'trecommend it yeah.
Don't go to Williamsburg.
That's all I can say about that.
Very disappointing Waste ofmoney, waste of time, and I felt
bad for the people that we drugalong with us.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Sorry, Mr R and Mr W, you were great at sports, so
that was our night.
So from now we had a 50-minutedrive back to our Airbnb because
we were staying in the town ofQuentin.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Which Tim Coyne, our great tour guide from Shorewood
Forest, was not pleased with usstaying there.
It happened to be closer toRichmond, which was convenient
for one of us for one trip, butthat's okay.
It was a lot of driving, so wedrove back and then that was it
for that day, and then the lastday.
I don't know.

(58:42):
Am I missing anything?

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I don't think anything else happened leaving
Williamsburg.
No, I think that's pretty muchit, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
So in the last day, the last leg of the historic
triangle is the Battle ofYorktown.
As I said, Battle of Yorktownis so there's actually two
different attractions inYorktown for this.
There's a museum, the YorktownRevolutionary War Museum, and
then the Yorktown NationalBattlefield.
Now we took the lesson that welearned from the Jamestown

(59:18):
debacle and we said we're notgoing to that museum, we're just
going to go to the NationalPark.
It'll be better.
So we went to the National Park.
We drove there like a 55-minutedrive in the morning and it was
a breath of fresh air.
I got to be honest and I thinkwhat we realized is the people

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in Yorktown know that this isthe last leg that people do.
It's the last chronologically,so Jamestown is set in like the
1610s.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Like it starts at 1610s.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Williamsburg is the 1774, like right before the
revolution.
Now Yorktown is about the endof 1781.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah 1781.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
And also there's a little bit of Civil War stuff
that happened there too.
So I think they know like thisis the last leg, and they know
that everyone's been beaten upAgain, similar to when we saw
that family in Williamsburg.
I think they're like these guyshave just been through it all.
Let's just, let's really.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Let's help them out, let's take them in with open
arms.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
So Yorktown's $15 a person to get in, which I was
shocked that a NationalHistorical Park was charging
money.
I've never seen that before.
Valley Forge, near us, does notcharge anything.
Saratoga didn't charge anything.
I couldn't believe that theycharged money to get into that.
But again, it's more of atouristy trap than really
historic.
They're definitely leaning intothe fact that people come down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Well, they could get away because of the other
competition.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
But the guy was nice.
I bought the tickets and he'slike there's four of you.
I'm like, yeah, he's like, isthere four of you?
I'm like, yeah, he's like, I'mgoing to give you the year-long
pass for $45 instead of $60.
And it'll get you guys all in.
And it's a year-long pass, youcan use it for just this park.
It's called the ColonialNational Park, so it included
Jamestown with an E and Yorktown, which would have been nice to
know.
But we did get that.

(01:01:05):
So we got a little bit of abreak and it was the most
refreshing.
He was nice, asked somequestions.
He talked trash on Jamestown alittle bit.
He's like, yeah, jamestownwithout an E that we went to.
He's like, yeah.
I asked if we could use thispass in Jamestown with an E.
He said, yeah, he's like, butyou can't use the other one
that's run by the state.

(01:01:25):
He gave a little like you don'twant to go, like, you know we
don't.
I don't have anything.
We don't have anything to dowith that nonsense that's going
on over there.
So that felt good.
It was very refreshing to havethis guy be a little bit real
with us for once.
Um and again.
I think they just know likethese, everyone's been through
the ringer, kind of similar, Iguess.
I guess, maybe, maybe that'show the the um colonial soldiers

(01:01:49):
felt in Yorktown, just throughthe ringer for the last five
years.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
that's what they wanted to bring you through.
That was the taking back theywanted to convey like it was
going through Jamestown.
Yeah they like, make you justdrudge you along.
Instead of drudging you alongthe trenches, they're drudging
you along from like one touristtrap and then spit you out to
Yorktown.
Yeah, then there you are.
So we had some time.

(01:02:13):
So, after we're talking to thisguy again, all these places had
films, short films, before them.
So there was another filmstarting soon that would kind of
just again give you the wholebackstory of Yorktown, you know,
the days leading up to it, theaftermath and all the troop
movements and all that stuff,days leading up to it, the
aftermath and all the all thetroop movements and all that
stuff, kind of just painting thepicture.

(01:02:33):
Before you went out to theactual did the driving tour.
So we had some time and theyhad an on-site, uh, the museum
not a museum like the, likeexhibition, just things, certain
things and there was like this,like a replica ship which you
could walk through, which wasneat.
They had other documentationand some letters and yeah, so

(01:02:54):
Matt and I were just walkingalong and you know we turn and
we come to this window and itlooks something like you could
sleep in.
I see what is this, and so thislooks like something you could
put a bed in, a tent perhaps.
Maybe a desk, maybe a stool.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
And it's a tent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
And so we start to read the placard in front of it,
and wouldn't you know?

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
it said here is George Washington's tent, and we
said to ourselves didn't we seethat in Philadelphia?

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
In an amphitheater.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
And we're told not to take pictures, and it was
treated like it was right infront of us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
It was behind glass.
It was a tent.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I don't know if it was just one tent but it wasn't
all floor-to-floor and it was areal tent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Part of it was the real tent Part of it was a real
tent, and then you kept walkinga little bit and then you walked
in to what Matt was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
All that Matt was asking for when we were in
Philadelphia seeing Washington'stent there was being able to
walk through it or get somesemblance of what it looks like
from the inside, have it set upwith all of this stuff, and we
were actually inside the tent.
I mean you could see his deskand everything.
It was definitely a full circlemoment for us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
And it was like in case, like it wasn't.
You weren't standing in thetent, but it was a cutout and
you had like glass above you,glass ceiling above you and
glass in front of you and you'dsee like George Washington,
property of George Washington,like next to a cot and like
papers on a desk and a featherpen, a quilt pen or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
And just like cool, that was actually pretty cool
and that would have been reallycool to see in the america.
I mean, that's exactly what theit should have been but it's in
the museum of the americanrevolution, not to go back to
that, but all these places thathave like sponsorships by like
either private enterprise that'sfor private, yeah for profit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Stuff is just crazy.
It's off the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Because they get you in there and they don't, you
know, they don't care.
It's a shame.
So we get to the movie.
I think the one thing thefederal government does better
than the private sector, itseems like Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Maybe, so we get into the film and I think the film
was the best we saw.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
But the three too.
It too it kind of did the bestjob of kind of summarizing how
we got to yorktown.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
yeah, apparently it was well produced.
I didn't know, yeah, I didn'tknow for our family.
I didn't know.
Um, it was a siege basically.
So, like lauren cord wallace,um was basically pinned in
yorktown and you had the frenchnavy in the chesapeake, the
entrance to the Chesapeake Bay.
They took out the British thereand so they hemmed in

(01:05:33):
Cornwallis and then Washingtonand Rochambeau gave the British
forces up in New York the slipkind of fawned an attack up
there and came down in Virginiaand then they kind of pinned
them in and Hamilton was reallyinstrumental and Lafayette was
Alexander Hamilton.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Yeah, Yepette was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Alexander Hamilton.
Markito Lafayette played in it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
So all the heavy hitters, all the big characters
obviously yeah, and it was justkind of like he was the
Cornwallis, was surrounded.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
It was cool, very cool place to be, and so the
video did a really good job ofconveying what we're going to
get ourselves into.
So we get out, and then we sawa cannon.
What was that cannon about?
Whose cannon was that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
it was the cannon that lafayette hugged oh yeah oh
, it was a cannon that he hadfired or was fired from his
division or whatever he wascoming no, he, he remembered
seeing that, he recognized itbecause a British cannon had
dented it Right and he hadrecognized that.
He saw that happen, I guess,and when he came back for his

(01:06:37):
tour of America in like the 18.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
1824.
1824.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yeah, he saw it and hugged it Like he got very
emotional overseeing it becausehe remembered that moment.
Yeah, forgot about that,remembered that moment.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
That was cool, yeah.
And then you can do aself-guide tour.
Now we don't have a great trackrecord, john, and I don't have a
great track record, as the fansmay remember from the Saratoga

(01:07:02):
incident, of guided toursself-guided car tours, vehicular
tours to be exact.
But we gave it another shot andthat's what my biggest
complaint about Saratoga was.
It's such a big property andthey didn't want, they didn't

(01:07:22):
have enough roads to be able tosee everything.
You had to park your car andget out at every single spot to
see what you're looking at.
That wasn't really the casehere.
I feel like they did a reallygood job.
They built roads through thebattlefield.
They had a self-guided tour onthe phone.
They had an app that you couldjust click on all the things and
you listen to it and explain it.

(01:07:43):
Well, you could see everythingfrom the car it described like
well, you're here to your right,is this to your left, is this
right in front?
You know, and they'reexplaining it and you know
there's not.
I mean, in reality there's notreally much to see in these
battlefields, it's all just landnow, but they're like kind of
painting the picture and youcould do that from the car.
Mr r had a uh, a bum knee again, so like we couldn't do a ton

(01:08:04):
of walking and like I thinkwe're all kind of spent from the
whole history thing anyway.
So it was kind of a really niceway to to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
I think um, and I will say one thing as an aside I
do think like thesebattlefields are ripe for like
augmented reality.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
I think if you can get, a pair of glasses and you
show up with the augmentedreality situation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
It just overlays, like dude that'd be now if you
look north and like it has acompass in them and it tells you
which degree to look at, andthen you're looking at this
degree on the compass in the onyour glasses like and they could
have it rebuilt just startslike appearing characters just
start coming out of the woodwork.
That would really cool, do alot, I think, just thinking
about that.
But um yeah, so we just cruisedthrough.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
We just cruised through there it was was a
really nice drive too throughthe woods.
They had a really cool roadthat went right through.
It was a very nice drive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Overlooking the river , overlooking the York River.
Yeah, it was very pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
We stopped at the Moore House, which is where
Washington and I guessCornwallis did he, show up, I
forget.
That's where they came to termswith the surrender at Yorktown,
I think so, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
He didn't show up for Washington.
He claimed he was sick.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, I know, but that's where the.
I don't know if Cornwallis wasthere, but that's where the
terms were written up, I thinkin Morehouse.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
No, they were written up there, but they didn't
necessarily.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
That's not where the british surrendered, no they
surrendered in surrender fieldthat you saw oh.
But I think after the fact,like after the surrender, the
terms of the surrender, whateverwere agreed to at more house, I
think, which we drove up there,it's like this nice little farm
house, it's pretty cool.
I park, we pull, we pull up toit and I'm like I think we can
go in there.
And john's like, oh, yeah,definitely we can go in there.

(01:09:45):
I said okay, so I parked thecar, we got out, couldn't get in
.
There was no way we weregetting into that house, so we
just got back in the car andcontinued the drive.
But it was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Yeah, I saw a nice monument, a pretty, a really
cool monument from the 1880s,the yorktown victory monument.
Uh, really decorative, huge,it's like what?
100 feet tall.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Oh yeah, Right on the river.
Lady Liberty's on the top.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Lady Liberty's up there.
And, yeah, yorktown today it'sa historical town as well and
it's modeled as such, and theyhad a pirates exhibition going
on.
It was the day we were there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
That was pretty weird .

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
but yeah, shooting off cannons, that was pretty
neat.
Yeah, I'm shooting off cannons.
Um, that was pretty neat.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
We had a good lunch.
I mean, the town of yorktownwas cool.
There were babes and bikinisout on the beach yeah, that was
probably the most.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
That was probably the most bachelor party we got and,
if I recall correctly, you knowthey had ice cream shops, matt,
didn't they have an ice creamshop there?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
well, yeah, so there's a shuttle that takes you
from the national park that todowntown, to the downtown
yorktown, which worked outreally well because parking
wasn't great downtown so I'drecommend anybody go down there.
This was mr r's decision, whichwas great.
I'm glad we would.
I would never thought of itmyself.
He said why don't we just takethe trolley down and come back?
We don't have to worry aboutparking.
Um, so we were waiting for thetrolley so we had time to kill

(01:11:07):
kill in this main street ofYorktown, which this area
specifically wasn't necessarilyhistoric.
It was like a block or two upfrom the river beach that it
gets more historical.
But this area it's got someshops and everything.
And, like I said, I had bookedthis.
I planned this trip usingChatGPT and the last thing it

(01:11:28):
said was get some coffee or icecream at Ben Jerry's in town.
And I'm like, oh, I love icecream, ben Jerry's.
It'd be interesting to see whatkind of flavors they have.
I had to go to the bathroom, soI go in there just to use their
bathroom.
I wanted to look at their menujust to see if they had any
interesting flavors that Ihaven't seen or tried before,

(01:11:49):
and I got approached right away.
It was a small place and I feltobligated to order something.
So I ordered a small dish of myfavorite flavor that you can
get everywhere Chunky Monkey, asmall dish and I paid for it and
it was $8.79 for a little likeone scoop of this ice cream that

(01:12:11):
you could get anywhere.
I actually looked and it was apint of that.
Is was going for two for tendollars at my local supermarket.
So I got I was flabberg.
I know you pay more, I get it,but you'd think they'd have.
They would have had flavorsthat I never saw before or it

(01:12:32):
would have been like, I don'tknow, the Spirit of 76 Swirl.
I mean I knew it was.
I guess it's a chain.
I didn't really know BenJerry's had chain like
Haagen-Dazs.
It was like a Haagen-Dazs butwith Ben Jerry's I didn't know
that that existed.
I thought it was like going tobe a little bit more of a.
I don't know.
I figured it was going to be, Idon't know, six dollars tops

(01:12:55):
for a small cone in a cup.
It wasn't even a cone, it was ina cup.
I couldn't believe it, but Ibut I felt the need to complete
the chat.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
GPT itinerary itinerary and when the machines
take over, you'll be in theirgood graces and they'll be like
oh, somebody actually listens tous, thank you, but I mean I
couldn't really Yorktown was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
I mean you're not going to drive all the way down
there just for Yorktown.
No, I mean it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
And Williamsburg and Jamestown know that.
They know that fact.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
That's how I get you.
I think Yorktown, Yorktown wasdefinitely the best.
I would recommend that toanybody to go see Yorktown.
I think it's a pretty cool spot.
It looks nothing like what itlooks like in the movie
Revolution if anyone had seenthat which was filmed in England
on cliffs.
There's no cliffs, it's justkind of.
It's just kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
it's just kind of like a jet, it's like.
It's like, yeah, rolls off,it's like a rolling bumper slope
.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah, but yeah, good views.
We had a good day.
It was a nice drive, it wasjust something cool to see.
But I, yeah, you're not goingto just try it.
You wouldn't want to drive sixhours to see Yorktown.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Now a question If you're in the area, Could you
pair Yorktown with just JohnTyler's house and the White
House of the Confederacy?
Would that get you down heresix hours?

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I don't know that's a good question Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Those are my three favorite things.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
I'll say that if your question is, would I have had a
better time if we didn't doWilliamsburg and Jamestown, my
answer is 100% yes a follow upquestion is what if they
replaced the historic triangleof Virginia with the Confederate
White House and John Tyler'shouse?
And Yorktown, if that was theactual triangle it doesn't

(01:14:47):
really make a triangle, though Idon't think more like a line in
Yorktown.
If that was the actual triangle.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
It doesn't really make a triangle, though I don't
think More like a line, it'scool.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
What stinks is like Jamestown, williamsburg.
We were closer to Richmond,where we were staying.
I feel like we could have seena lot more in Richmond.
We probably could have spentmore time looking at seeing
cooler stuff on that day thangoing to james jamestown,
williamsburg, I would never.

(01:15:17):
And if I were to do it againand we were going to stop out
there, but we ended up not, weended up bailing like I would be
interested to see how muchbetter jamestown with an e is
than jamestown with no e, but umyou know if I were to do it.
Oh sorry, go ahead.
If we were to do it again, Iwould.
If I were to do it again, if Iwere to plan it the right way, I

(01:15:41):
would do no williamsburg, Iwould do jamestown with an e,
and that was probably the onlychange that would make.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Did you know that Williamsburg has an
international airport, newport?

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
News slash.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Williamsburg International Airport.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Yeah, I think I do remember seeing that when we
were talking about planning it Iwas like, well, they could fly
in there, but it was probablypretty tough to not many.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
We also passed what looked like the biggest naval
yard I'd ever seen weaponstations I'd ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Yeah, that was cool crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
I'm looking at the map right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
It's massive but yeah , so, yeah, so, yeah.
So then the end of so that wasit.
I think it was, it was fun.
I mean, you know, again, I'mglad we did it, so the we did it
, so the fans don't have to, ifthey certainly can go into it
with more eyes wide open, ofgetting a more real depiction of

(01:16:32):
what it, what to expect if yougo there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
I think we can say that that t-shirt we saw really
was accurate, that Jamestown orVirginia is for history lovers.
If you love history, it's acool plan.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
It is it's fun to history lovers you love history.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
It's a cool place.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
It's fun to be there.
It's cool.
It was cool.
It was fun Interesting being inthe salad.
Like I said, the swamps aroundthere were pretty cool to see
something you don't see up here,and interesting Just meeting
the characters Timmy and the guyhoeing the tobacco fields Quick

(01:17:13):
shout out to Airbnb host too,who parked us in there for three
nights.
Yeah, did a great job.
Had a hot tub.
Had a hot tub.
He greeted us with a bottle ofMartinelli sparkling apple juice
.
Is it apple cider apple juicejuice?
John stole two of them from him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
sorry for that if you listen to this, what we gonna
do it was.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
it was a nice spot, it worked out, everything worked
out really well and I had agood time.
Won't get into specifics of.
I mean it was fun, like it wasa nice spot, it worked out,
everything worked out reallywell and I had a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Won't get into the specifics of I mean it was fun.
Anything we do, it's the banterthat we have amongst ourselves
makes the trip.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah, it's the company or whatever they say,
but Williamsburg sucked anddon't go there, man.
I was so mad.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
But the thing is, there's another part of
Williamsburg which is like amodern town, which is way better
.
That's where William and Maryis right.
We just went there for drinksand lunch, yeah well, I will say
that too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Maybe that's a good point.
John, if you do want to go toWilliamsburg, if you do want to
do it like if you find yourselfamong the historic triangle of
Virginia, I would recommendbecause you can go downtown
Williamsburg William Mary is,and it seemed like kind of a
nice little quaint town, modern,but it was a nice little quaint

(01:18:45):
town and maybe go there, getsome drinks, have some.
You know like, go there, getsome drinks, have some, get
dinner there or lunch there orwhatever, and you can just walk
right into Colonial Williamsburg.
The streets are connected, soyou don't need admission to get
into the Colonial Williamsburgsection.
The only thing that you reallyneed tickets for are the tours

(01:19:10):
the governor's mansion tour thatwas good, except when we got
yelled at by a lady with a lipring, and the Capitol building
that we got denied access to,like Jesus at the Inn or Mary
and Joseph at the Inn onChristmas.
That's kind of what I felt likeum, and so like you could just

(01:19:31):
go, I assume, like you couldjust go there and have fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
I mean, I don't think anyone's checking tickets,
maybe when it gets busy, I don'tknow, and I don't know if you
really even need a ticket to getin definitely don't buy the
ticket just to see the john drockefeller movie, that's for
sure you could see that withouta ticket, I think he could have
just walked in and walked intothat movie theater, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Anyway, the only time anyone checked for a ticket was
to get into the governor'smansion.
I'm not going to tell you guyswhat to do, but take that for
what it's worth.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
You got anything else to leave them with John?

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
No, guys, we're just.
I was happy to get another onein for you and, like I said, we
had to.
We saw too much history inthree days to not do another
podcast, so uh is this going tobe the last one?

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
you think?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
No, no, you got this thing for another 12 months, 11
months we'll definitely come,yeah, something I was thinking
and I'm not, this doesn't haveto go on air or whatever but I
was thinking like maybe we coulddo I don't know how long it
would last, but we could do likea like this is like what it,
what it looked like, what waslike the history and context of

(01:20:48):
each state joining the union,and do like two or three a week,
or like whenever we do a show,do like three of them every
state all 50 yeah well, we canstart like 14, or we can just
wrap up 13.
well, we could do like thecontext behind North Carolina.

(01:21:10):
North Carolina didn't sign theDeclaration, it didn't sign the
Constitution until 1780,whatever 89.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
We could do the 13 colonies first.
That'd be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
And not just do one a week, do a handful, do five,
four a week or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Well, depending on the state, texas would be a long
one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Texas could be its own one, and we could talk about
their flag can hint at theirflag we could do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
We could do each state's flag and national animal
and song and all that stuff too.
When we talk about each state,it it's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
I think, about the historical context of the times.
I think we kind of the two forone.
Maine and Missouri are going tobe the same episode, because
that was the compromise that wasmade.
Good idea, I was just thinkingabout it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Fans.
Let us know if that's what youwant to do.
If you think you'd beinterested in that, shoot us a
text.
Or, or uh, email, uh, atnailing history, pod at gmailcom
.
Or, you know, hit us up attwitter at nailing history and,
you know, as always, hit thatlink in the description and send
us a text.
Just make sure that when youhit that link, that you don't

(01:22:30):
delete anything that autopopulates in the text message
that hasn't changed fans.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
There is some consistency in this world.
There is some continuity.
Don't delete the tag, don'tdelete the text.
Yeah, we'll keep saying it.
Like tim coin, we'll keep Don'ttouch it, don't touch it.
Like great Tim Coyne, don'ttouch it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Lesson learned.
Leave it there.
All right, fans, we'll see youin the next one, maybe, if there
is going to be one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Stay curious, you know it.
As always, later, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
I got hairy legs.
Come on, man, and we say bye,bye.

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