October 12, 2025 • 54 mins
Ever wondered why a president can send the National Guard into a city that didn’t ask for it? We light the fuse on a late-night, no-bleeps conversation that links today’s deployments to a long trail of precedent—from George Washington’s march during the Whiskey Rebellion to Woodrow Wilson’s 1916 overhauls and the 14th Amendment’s slow centralization of power. It’s not just a rant; it’s a map of how federal authority grew, why states ceded immigration control, and how both sides spin law and order to score political points while locals live with the consequences.
We walk through the legal gray zones around ICE, the friction between cooperation and obstruction, and the realities of federalism that most headlines skip. Then we pull history closer: Washington’s show of force, Hamilton’s tax, and Wilson’s National Defense Act that standardized and federalized state militias into today’s National Guard. Along the way, we question whether “emergencies” justify muscle, and who gets to say when the emergency ends. The 14th Amendment’s incorporation story gets its due too, reminding us how rights protection and centralization became intertwined.
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I forgot about our new uh nailing history intro
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I don't know what we need to getinto.
SPEAKER_03 (03:08):
It's a bit of a uh a little bit of a flyer episode.
I was thinking, John, what ifwhat if we made this like a you
know, we're recording this on aFriday night.
Vibes are good looking into theweekend as opposed to we
normally are looking out of theweekend.
Right.
So vibes are good, it's night.
You know, I was thinking, whatif we uh what if we call this a
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nailing history after dark?
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sensor button.
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Just leave it all on the line.
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So just rejuvenated.
I guess I guess if you thinkabout it, the reason of the for
the hiatus is like nothing'sbeen going on in this country.
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Absolutely zero.
It's so boring.
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It's been boring out there.
I can't think of one thing, youknow.
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Well, we did we already nailed the tariff stuff
you know a long time ago.
Uh-huh.
So we kind of entered the yearnot only having so much to talk
about.
And that all kind of just hitthe wall for a while.
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I think all the fans are, I feel I feel like the fans
have used the knowledge thatthey've gained on our podcast to
for water cooler talk.
SPEAKER_02 (04:38):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (04:39):
I think so.
So, like, I don't know,nothing's really been going on,
but I don't know.
This uh I just got kind of firedup about the uh you know, I
don't get fired up aboutpolitics very often, and I do I
think most of it's bullshit.
It's after dark, so we can saywhatever we can say whatever the
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hell we want.
You were heated.
I was heated, I've cooled offextensively.
SPEAKER_04 (05:08):
Really hot and bothered.
It was what was that Tuesday?
SPEAKER_03 (05:11):
I was in a bad day.
I was having a I've I was havingI've been having a rough little
a rough week-ish.
And this has been going on, andit's just like been grinding my
gears big time, and I'm justlike, I don't, I don't just man.
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I mean, it's shocking to some.
I could see why it's catchingsome attention in the in the in
the media circuit, but hey,there's a history to it.
Nothing new as far as I'mconcerned.
It's Friday night.
Sleeps are up.
It's Friday night.
Sleeps are up.
I'm eating soup.
I got a beer cracked oat.
SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
I'm I just had a nice bowl of instant oatmeal.
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I am ready to go.
Wow.
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Nailing history after dark.
I guess my thing is um me andthe two of us, I think, is just
in general, are more proponentsof you can say what you want.
I think the term libertarian ismore too widely used.
I don't necessarily know if I'ma libertarian necessarily.
I think I'm just more likeeveryone should be free to do
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whatever they want.
Yep.
We know you.
You're in you're an EL ELE guy.
Everybody love everybody, right?
You can do whatever you want.
I don't care.
As long as it doesn't affectwell, even if it does affect
well, let me think about that.
If it does affect me, would yoube able to still do it?
I guess so.
SPEAKER_04 (06:41):
I'm all for people people, if you make your bed,
you gotta sleep in it too.
And that actions haveconsequences, and if you just
think there's someone alwaysgonna bail you out, that's not
right.
Whether it's the government,mom, your daddy, anyone.
SPEAKER_03 (06:56):
Okay, well that doesn't really get to where
we're going here.
So the the what I was what I wasall hot and bothered with was
it's late night.
SPEAKER_02 (07:04):
This this after dark, sorry.
SPEAKER_03 (07:09):
This freaking yeah, it's after dark.
It's nailing history after dark.
This freaking clown show goingon in um with like the National
Guard getting deployed to citiesand across America.
I think it started with DC, andit's all from the federal
government sending this out,right?
No one's asking for it, which isthe biggest my biggest gripe
(07:30):
with it, you know.
And well, there might beindividuals, but governors of
the states aren't.
And they send so first was DC,and DC's like, well, DC is the
White House is there.
SPEAKER_04 (07:44):
So like Well, Congress.
I mean, Congress gave theirmunicipal powers to a mayor.
I mean, if Congress wants toshuttle that down, it can.
It's just they don't want todeal with running a city.
They can.
SPEAKER_03 (07:54):
So that could that was a little bit more
permissible, would you say?
Yeah, I'd say so.
They have more of a case therethan like Chicago.
So then Chicago just out ofnowhere started becoming this
like hotbed topic of I thinkthere's issues with like ice,
people are protesting ice andnot the beverage cooler, but the
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immigration something oranother.
SPEAKER_04 (08:21):
Enforcement agency, yeah.
What's this got great benefitsright now?
$50,000 signing bonus if any oneof our fans it's after dark,
remember.
What's the C in corrections,maybe?
No.
Is it so?
We're very qualified.
Immigration and customs.
Oh, customs, right.
Okay.
Customs, please.
SPEAKER_03 (08:41):
Anyway, so like I think it started off with that,
but then everyone's saying thecity's so unsafe, there's all
this crime, blah, blah, blah.
So then Trump's taking uponhimself, or I don't want to say
Trump, just the federalgovernment in general.
There's a bunch of bozos runningthe show over there.
And then did you see who gotsent to Chicago?
Do you see the pictures?
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No.
I mean, the National Guard fromTexas is like they show up,
they're like freaking.
I don't even know.
I didn't even know they madearmy attire that size.
So I was like, at first, I waslike, at first I was like, oh
man, these people from Chicago.
Then I like saw who was showingup.
I was like, I guess it's notthat big of a deal.
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But like, you know, didn't sendmy brother.
I think that's your biggest.
I think that's one of thebiggest ways for your freedoms
to be taken from you is for yourown government to enter your
city or where you live unaskedby people who don't live there.
Well, and like it's not theirthing.
SPEAKER_04 (09:45):
Yeah.
Uh I will say typically when thehit yeah, way back in the day,
you had to be a governor had toask you for help.
If you wanted the militia tocome in, the governor needed to
basically have that goes back tothe whiskey rebellion.
And that was a very sp like uh,you know, these specific cases
where they deem an uprising oran insurrection, and so to quill
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it, they send in federal troopsor you know, you know, armed
militia troops.
And yeah, there's a precedent insome way, shape, or form for it.
But in this example with Trump,because it's ICE, like all the
states basically agree that thefederal government would be
responsible for immigration,right?
Like states don't control theirown immigration policy.
(10:28):
Like Texas can't say, you know,we want to allow, you know,
100,000 Mexicans into our state,into our state per year.
We know we give them work visasand they can only work and live
within Texas until they becomelike formal U.S.
citizens.
At some point down the trackdown the line, like all the
states offloaded immigration tothe federal government, and so
ICE is part of immigration.
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And so with that, like thestates, even if the governor
didn't ask for the NationalGuard in terms of like ICE
enforcement, like a statedoesn't have to provide its own
resources to help ICE carry outwhat it's trying to carry out,
but it can't obstruct it either.
It can't obstruct the federalact of trying to deal with
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immigration.
And I think that's kind ofreally what's going on in the
background with all these moreliberal blue states and cities,
is that yeah, Trump's kind ofusing it as a way to say like it
just feels like it feels likethe the whole immigration thing
is like I get it.
SPEAKER_03 (11:30):
Maybe there's there's some there's some
there's something to likeknowing who's here, whatever,
border security, because I'malways I always think we've
talked about this before thatlike we could get Trojan horse
as a country.
And people don't realize that.
I don't think I don't I thinkpeople Well some sides want it.
SPEAKER_04 (11:47):
Maybe but like the Democrats want more illegals
here because the when the well Ilistened to a whole podcast
about the census coming up, andin the census, the census
doesn't the whole should justcitizens be included on the
census?
Because with with based on thecensus, that's how you get
apportionment in the House ofRepresentatives.
And typically speaking, the deppart of the reason the Democrats
even have the numbers they haveare because of if you're in the
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House, if you got a household often people with legal, illegal,
doesn't matter, they're allgonna be counted as one person,
and then when it comes time toactually apportioning the
states, uh the districts acrossthe country, they're gonna have
an outsized man.
So the Democrats objectivelywant more immigrants, legal or
other legal or illegal.
Okay.
It benefits them.
SPEAKER_03 (12:30):
Okay, so it's political, it's political
however you look at it, I guess.
But for sure.
It's almost like he read thebook of the whiskey rebellion
and was like, oh, I can say thatI'm doing it because of this and
send troops into these citiesand take control.
It's not the same.
Well, no, well, so the whiskeyso the whiskey rebellion was in
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1791, our buddy and your ace ofclubs, Alexander Hamilton, ace
of clubs?
Yes.
I don't like him, but I just puta federal ta a tax on whiskey to
help pay off the national debt.
But right.
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And then but then the farmers inPennsylvania, specifically in
Pennsylvania, but just anyfarmers like out in the you know
st the booth.
SPEAKER_04 (13:22):
Maybe at the time rye, rye whiskey was really
popular in western Pennsylvaniaat the time, and a lot of the
barley, all these things thatthey farmed, so now of a sudden
they're paying off the debt.
SPEAKER_03 (13:34):
They're left holding the bag.
unknown (13:36):
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
And then people brewing beer up in New England
aren't paying for it.
Right.
Oh, there you go.
Right.
So then protests blew up, andthen in 1794, George Washington
led a min militia of 13,000troops to suppress it.
Now he now Washington went toled them himself.
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So I don't see Trump.
That's pretty cool.
That's very cool.
I mean, oh, is it very not thatcool if you were a farmer?
But hey, he put his money wherehis mouth is.
I don't see Trump out theregetting shot with pepper pepper
bullets or whatever's going onover in Chicago.
Plus, I also think that I don'teven know if it's really that.
I mean, I think the NationalGuard and like the ICE are a
bunch of bozos, probably, andlike they're acting a fool
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because they don't really knowwhat they're doing.
Because I don't think thegovernment can really do
anything right.
But um I think it's not like theprotests and everything.
I just feel like it's beingpainted as like a worse picture
than it actually is, just sothat Trump can do this and like
try to get the backing ofpeople.
SPEAKER_04 (14:42):
Yeah.
Which I don't think was the casewith Washington.
I don't think he was I don'tknow.
SPEAKER_03 (14:47):
I don't I don't think so, but I think Hamilton
might have needed a but thissets a precedence of like, oh, I
can say I'm doing this and usethe military to suppress people.
SPEAKER_02 (14:58):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
It's a it's like a definitely a power that can be
abused, and it's the thisprecedence is set, and I think,
yeah, I mean, is it the worst,was it the worst thing, the
whiskey rebellion?
Like, I don't know.
But like the Constitution wasbrand new, and it already it
always it already seemed likethe federal government was like
more powerful than it evershould have been, thanks to
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Alexander Hamilton, who wanted aking, who always wanted a king,
like you've said.
And that's kind of what it is.
That's kind of what the actionis, and that's kind of what's
going on now.
Is like, I don't know, it's likepeople he might have been the
most prescient.
SPEAKER_04 (15:34):
I mean, maybe his knowledge on human nature, I
don't know, but he he kind ofwas just like, let's get all
this, let's get all thepleasantries out of the way and
just make a king for life,because that's what we're gonna
that's what we're workingtowards, and all these ever
everyone else was just trying tostop it.
Maybe it can't be stopped, youknow?
Power corrupts and absolutepower corrupts absolutely.
And I don't know.
Everyone's been neutered,Congress is been neutered.
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Uh but like I just buteveryone's gonna take the wrong
example out of it.
Whether you're for or againstit, it's gonna come from a very,
I think a lot of timehistorically kind of ignorant
place, and it'll be just like,oh, I like what he's doing
because I like what he's doing,not whether it's legal or
constitutional.
I think that's all verysecondary at this point.
SPEAKER_03 (16:15):
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, and then Ithink I was like just thinking
about it, and the other thingthat is like frustrating to me,
I don't know if there's been anyother examples of this, and like
maybe you know, you think backto like the Civil War, probably
not the same situation, butdoesn't it feel like yeah,
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Trump's being Trump's beingoverpowering whatever?
But then I'm looking at it thesame way as like the leaders of
this these cities are also likeseem like they're just like
fighting Trump just to fightTrump.
Like, you know, I think they'rejust like it there there's no
agreement going on.
It's like no matter whathappens, they're gonna disagree
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or go against it for politicalgain, right?
I think it's all for politicalgain.
So like I feel like both of thesides are using this power
struggle and like using theirpeople as like pawns in this
game for sure, taking liketaking their freedoms away just
to prove that they can.
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Like, how mad would you be iflike you went out your front
door and you just saw like theNational Guard marching the
street for no reason that youdidn't invite them to?
And then you know, I think a lotof the time, well, and the
Whiskey Rebellion might be aperfect example of this, or just
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in general, is like people withthe Second Amendment argument
with people, right?
People say, like, you you know,they're the argument for the
Second Amend Amendment, inaddition to self-defense,
because self-defense can onlytake you so far as far as like
how many guns you should be ableto own or like what level or
whatever.
It's like a lot of people say,oh, well, the reason that the
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the reason that the SecondAmendment was put into the
Constitution was so that thepeople would have the power to
fight against a tyrannicalgovernment.
SPEAKER_04 (18:09):
No?
Well, to form a well-regulatedmilitia, but unfortunately that
well-regulated thewell-regulated militias being
used against them because it wasnationalized by Woodrow Wilson,
and now we have National Guardsin the way they are.
We don't have state militiasanymore.
SPEAKER_03 (18:22):
I mean, so the part so the thing for the national so
the National Guard was is likethe new version of like state
militias.
SPEAKER_04 (18:32):
Yeah, that sounds not true.
What do you mean Woodrow WilsonGoogle check it out?
Woodrow Wilson and the NationalGuard.
The National Guard Act, wasn'tit?
1913.
Let's have a look here.
It's after dark.
It's after dark.
The National Defense Act of 1916was signed by Woodrow Wilson.
SPEAKER_03 (18:54):
Don't talk listen, time out.
Don't talk about it like youlike don't present it as if you
know what you're talking about.
Okay, okay.
After dark.
I'm Googling it.
Yeah, but don't like talk aboutit like I told you.
I told you, see?
No, you have to say that.
SPEAKER_04 (19:12):
Let's see, let's see here.
National defense.
Okay, creative federalizedstandards.
It mandated that federal fundingand control over the guard
establishing national standardsfor training, equipment, and
efficiency.
Guardsmen were required to wearU.S.
Army uniforms.
The act greatly increased thepresident's power to mobilize
the National Guard during adeclared national emergency.
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It also authorized the draftingof guardsmen into the U.S.
Army for overseas service.
SPEAKER_03 (19:41):
Why?
What was the reason that he didthat?
World War One on the Like whatwhat was his what was his
reason?
SPEAKER_04 (19:52):
I don't know.
Sign the into law.
SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
Isn't he your least favorite president?
SPEAKER_04 (20:00):
I don't like him.
By 1916, the U.S.
was still officially neutral inWorld War I, but Europe was
already two years into the war.
There were growing fears thatthe U.S.
now fans after dark Chat GPT.
There were growing fears thatthe U.S.
military was too small anddisorganized to defend the
country or project power ifdrawn in.
The regular army had only abouta hundred thousand soldiers,
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smaller than Portugal's army atthe time.
The National Guard, controlledby state governors, varied
widely in size, training, andequipment quality.
The purpose of the act uhWilson's answer is sweeping
reform that fundamentallyreshaped the U.S.
military to modernize and expandthe army, to federalize the
National Guard, uh allowing thepresident to federalize the
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Guard for longer periods and formore missions, even overseas.
SPEAKER_03 (20:49):
So this is Woodrow Wilson's fault.
SPEAKER_04 (20:55):
It's in part.
Again, I go back to Lincoln.
Lincoln's the one who do you goback to the civil the civil war
neutered the states.
I mean, and if the militiapowers were a state power, well,
that power was okay, maybe itwas still on the books from 1865
until 1916, but Olsen just put aput the nail in the coffin.
SPEAKER_03 (21:18):
So do you consider the Confederate army state
militia?
SPEAKER_04 (21:24):
No.
They would have been their ownfederal they had they were their
own federal republic at thatpoint.
Okay.
And then they would have hadtheir own standing army.
So in the time of war.
SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (21:37):
Do you have a federal army?
The Constitution did not allowfor a standing army.
It's what they fought.
That's why the whole thing wasbasically run by militia in the
beginning, and all the tensionin the beginning of the
Revolutionary War.
We had militia, and thenLincoln, you know, Washington's
like, we need a formal army tofight the British, and there was
a lot of resistance.
SPEAKER_03 (21:57):
Who said that?
SPEAKER_04 (21:58):
Wash Washington and Hamilton type, like all this.
Probably Hancock probably hadsomething to do with it.
That good looking son of achannel.
Like John Adams, like more likeFederalist types of people.
Not Patrick Henry, probably.
You don't think?
I don't.
Because he was like top dog inVirginia, first of all.
I mean, he he was the Pritzkerof his day, kind of like he was
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a Gavin Newsom type where he waslike a major power in his state.
Who's Pritzker?
Isn't he the Jeb Pritzker?
Isn't that how you say theIllinois governor?
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (22:32):
I heard Pete Pete Heggseth was saying he should do
some push-ups or something.
Did you see that?
No.
But I it's so absurd.
It's so crazy, dude.
It's so crazy.
Like what I don't know.
I mean, I just think if theywould have asked for it, sure,
you can you can have it.
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Have what?
Like if the people of Chicago islike, this is getting out of
control, we need help takingcare of our people, then you
can, you know.
You can have it.
Plus, like, I think the peoplewho live there aren't being
affected by it.
Or the people who are a lot,like the loudest voices about
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this whole thing seems to bepeople who don't live in the
city.
SPEAKER_04 (23:22):
Yeah.
Well, that's uh that's out ofthe playbook of most
progressives.
It's always the other someoneelse we have to worry about,
never mind in the backyard.
What do you mean?
Because it's so much easier toworry about something that's not
impacting you daily.
You said most people that aremaking the loudest noise about
it don't live in Chicago.
Right.
That's that's like a typicalprogressive thing.
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But then I'm gonna be superworried about the rest of the
world or what's going on in theother side of the country or
what the laws are in Mississippior what the laws are.
And I'd say maybe some ways likepeople on the right might far
right might say, Oh, whathappened in California?
It's like, yeah, you're alwaysworried about the other side
because I don't think peoplelike looking in the mirror and
be like, uh, like probablyshould fix the potholes in our
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town first.
SPEAKER_03 (24:06):
I was pretty hot.
I was trying to get a rise outof a bunch of people, but I
wasn't getting a lot of.
You were the only one that kindof responded.
unknown (24:12):
Come on.
SPEAKER_03 (24:13):
It's after dark.
I'm gonna respond to you.
Yeah, but you didn't reallyrespond that well.
You kind of were just like Yeah,we're working.
Oh, you sent me this nicepicture of Woodrow Wilson.
What's the fourteen?
It doesn't matter if it'sconstitutional.
What's the what's the 14thAmendment?
Is that the Woodrow Wilson?
SPEAKER_04 (24:28):
The 14th Amendment is what started and kind of
that's what's began neuteringthe states.
I mean, that's the war wasfought.
And then the that's where wehave the citizenship clause and
you know, birthrightcitizenships all tied into the
14th Amendment, substantive dueprocess, so all the stuff.
Every time the it's the reasonwhy the Supreme Court were able
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to incorporate the Bill ofRights against the states
themselves.
So meaning, like, if someone'sgonna basically fight for their
Second Amendment right, let'ssay, in because the state of
Pennsylvania passes what theysee as an unconstitutional
infringement of their SecondAmendment rights, they would
file a case, they could file acase and take it up to the
Supreme Court based on theFourteenth Amendment
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incorporating the SecondAmendment.
So it's like without theFourteenth Amendment, there'd be
no way that a person couldbasically say Wisconsin's taking
away my rights to abortion, andyou know, the state, the state
legislature of Wisconsin passeda law, governor signed it into
law, taking away my right toabortion or my right to own a
(25:35):
gun.
If you didn't have the 14thAmendment, like you could go up
to the what Wisconsin SupremeCourt, but you wouldn't be able
to take it then to the U.S.
Supreme Court after the fact.
Oh.
Basically, like the whole ideaof like there's when we we when
a when somebody hears the wordSupreme Court, they think of one
building in Washington, D.C.
(25:55):
The founding generation, whenthey hear Supreme Court, they'd
be like, which one are youtalking about?
And what's who has the uhauthority in it?
Because uh the Virginia SupremeCourt and the U.S.
Supreme Court were both SupremeCourts.
It's that they dealt withdifferent things.
But something like the 14thAmendment basically made the US
(26:16):
Supreme Court quote unquote morepowerful than the state Supreme
Court's.
I mean, it's all slow drift tomore federal centralized
authoritarianism.
It has been for a long time.
Yeah, like you said, like withina very few years after the
Constitution was ratified, soand people like to use as my you
(26:38):
can't say this guy's can't sayhis name, you can get canceled
for it, but John C.
Calhoun is known for saying, youknow, he's always tied up with
slavery in the South, but hemade he he's kind of he was a
big proponent of uh It's afterdark, you don't get canceled on
after dark episodes.
SPEAKER_03 (26:54):
So let it fly, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (26:56):
He's quoted as saying, like, the Constitution
only serves those who are out ofpower.
That's it.
And he said that in the 1830s or40s.
He's like, the constitutiondoesn't mean anything to those
that are in power, it's alwaysgoing to be used by the
opposition who are out of power,who are gonna say you can't do
this, you can't do that.
It's not in the constitution.
This is unconstitutional yourbehavior, those that are in
power.
(27:16):
But once you get power, youthrow it out the book, you th
you throw it out the window.
The Democrats would be doing theexact same thing if they won the
election.
And no one argues that.
I don't think anyone I don'tthink that's even debatable.
I want my side to win, and youthrow the book.
SPEAKER_03 (27:31):
Well, I don't know.
That's not I feel like there'stimes where, like, for example,
this bringing the National Guardin, they're invoking the
whatever that the act thatWoodrow Wilson passed.
Well, I guess that is that theconstitution?
I guess technically not.
SPEAKER_04 (27:52):
A strict constructionist would say that
was unconstitutional.
It was passed by a progressive.
He was a progressive president.
That was yeah, it's just a justbecause a law passes doesn't
make it constitutional.
Right.
And a strict constructionistwould say a law that's
unconstitutional is no law.
Like income tax, like peoplethat don't pay income taxes
(28:15):
because they're like, it's not aconstitutional law.
SPEAKER_03 (28:17):
So you think somebody could come in and say,
like, this isn't constitutional,sending the National Guard to a
city regardless of the precedentset by Woodrow Wilson, so we're
not letting you do it.
SPEAKER_04 (28:31):
I think it would be more the underlying is the
actual was the nationalizing ofthe guard in the first place,
the constitutional thing.
You'd have to kind of like Ithink you have to walk back a
few more steps to get to the endthat the the mean the ends that
you want to get to.
Which will never happen.
SPEAKER_03 (28:46):
No.
SPEAKER_04 (28:47):
That's why we should just say it's unconstitutional,
you can keep saying, like, well,we have this rule in 1916, we
have a precedent in the CivilWar.
We have which I mean it's likethey're gonna find enough things
to back it up one way or theother.
SPEAKER_03 (28:58):
Dude, that's why Thomas Jefferson was dead on
when he said the constitutionshould change every generation.
SPEAKER_04 (29:06):
Or amendments shouldn't be that difficult.
It's too hard to amend thething.
Yeah.
75% wait, three three-fourths ofthe states?
Never gonna happen.
What would you suggest?
SPEAKER_03 (29:23):
Could you imagine those clowns trying to rewrite
the constitution right now?
There would be some nonsense inthere, man.
SPEAKER_04 (29:38):
I don't know who'd be more ridiculous.
I mean lobbyists would write theconstitution.
SPEAKER_03 (29:43):
It'd be a m I guess it would be a mess.
SPEAKER_04 (29:45):
Corporate interest corporate interest would write
it.
Military industrial complexinterest would write it.
It's not gonna come from peoplethat are virtuous and
principled.
SPEAKER_03 (29:56):
Well, is there anyone?
Is anyone virtuous or principledanymore?
In the country.
No.
I'm pretty do you think you'reprincipal?
SPEAKER_04 (30:06):
I mean for some for the most might try to be, you
know, but I'm not perfect.
Yeah.
I I was late to this podcast, sothat were you?
SPEAKER_03 (30:15):
I didn't know that.
There you go, fans.
I mean, we just wanted to go onemergency podcast, try to figure
out what's going on here.
How how could this app possiblybe going on and being allowed to
happen?
And it sounds like it's allthanks to our buddies.
George Washington, although hetalked the talk and walked the
walk.
(30:35):
He said to himself, you knowwhat?
He this this the whiskeyrebellion may be the first money
talks bullshit walks scenario inthe country.
After dark.
It's up there.
SPEAKER_04 (30:48):
It's up.
That's a good point.
For both sides.
Both sides could have been like,they both could have used that
phrase.
Like as like Washington's troopsand trooper walking up.
It's like, remember, boys,money, money talks, bullshit
walks.
Technically, they were walkingout to Western Pennsylvania, so
maybe they were doing thebullshit.
(31:08):
No.
Yeah, they were 100% doing thebullshit, dude.
SPEAKER_03 (31:11):
The money was talking and the bullshit was
walking.
That is idiot.
That's all that the the farmers,that's maybe that's all that
they were saying.
You know, they're like, hey, youknow, you guys got to pay your
taxes.
And there's like money talksbullshit walks.
Get the hell out of here.
If you're sitting thinking aboutit, just think about the boys
over in Pennsylvania orPittsburgh area, right?
(31:35):
Just trying to make trying tomake a buck.
The government's taking theirmoney.
They say, no way.
Similar to the Boston Tea Party.
SPEAKER_04 (31:47):
Ever hear of it?
But it wasn't happening in NewEngland, so.
SPEAKER_03 (31:50):
Yeah, I guess if yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (31:51):
And then it happened in New England.
We hear all about it.
SPEAKER_03 (31:54):
Yeah, I guess if they could grow barley in New
England, it would have been adifferent situation, huh?
Yep.
So they so they're over thereminding their own business, then
in comes George Washington andthe boys marching to the tune of
money talks bullshit walks.
They're walking their bullshitafter dark.
And sets the precedent.
(32:15):
Sets the precedence for the next250 years.
SPEAKER_04 (32:20):
And now nobody has money because the 33 trillion in
debt.
SPEAKER_03 (32:24):
So everyone's doing bullshit.
And then here comes WoodrowWilson scared that the army's
too small, so what does he do?
He takes all the state'sresources, defense resources,
and puts it into the federalgovernment.
Yep.
And that's where we're at.
Isn't it lovely?
(32:45):
I guess.
SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
So next time you see your National Guardsmen, give
him a salute.
I guess yeah.
Just not your state flag.
He won't want that.
Did we gotta tell him about afew other things?
SPEAKER_03 (33:00):
Yeah, I think we got a couple things coming up.
We're getting a couple uhsoftballs handed to us here with
some uh some some entertainmentcoming out where we we'll be
able to cover it hopefully andand discuss it on the uh on the
podcast.
SPEAKER_04 (33:15):
Do we want to we don't want to really we don't
want to overpromise and underdeliver like we have all year,
but no um but I think we can askour fans to go on a journey with
us to watch some of this contentthat's coming out.
SPEAKER_03 (33:28):
Yep.
So the first thing that we foundthis week, Ken Burns, uh famous
documentarian, I guess.
Is that what you would considerhim?
A historic documentary and oneof John's favorites, I would
say.
Nope.
Well, you've watched them.
I watched the Civil War.
That was good.
He is doing a I don't know howmany parts series documentary on
(33:51):
the American Revolution.
Which six-part documentary onthe American Revolution?
12 hours.
12 hours of pure entertainment.
Probably not commercial free, orI would have said that.
Uh, what's it airing on?
Is it airing on PBS?
PBS is hawking it.
PBS is haulking it pretty good.
Um, and he's doing a tour rightnow.
(34:12):
He was in he was in thePhiladelphia area last night,
and I was gonna go, but I didn'thave anyone to go with.
Um, I didn't really know what toexpect either, so I didn't I
didn't.
Well, he's gonna be out therelater.
Oh, really?
Yeah, that's why I send you allthose dates.
So, what John and I werethinking would be fun is we
might have an episode beforehandwhere we put together a series
(34:33):
of prop bets that we might do uhfor the for the um for the fans
to follow along with as they'rewatching it themselves, um, and
for us to track them.
And you know, John was talkingabout doing an episode after
each episode, but I didn't wantto overcommit to that, so I
think maybe we just recapped inone nailing history episode.
(34:53):
The whole documentary?
SPEAKER_04 (34:55):
Well, the prop bets.
Oh, the prop bets, yeah.
Should we tell give our fans atleast a teaser as to what why
prop bets?
Like which ones?
Well, why we did the first one.
Yeah, go ahead.
Oh, yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what so I was right, I wascoming back from work, Matt and
I were texting, and he sent methis link to this to this
(35:17):
documentary.
And I just first thought of myhead was you know, couldusco
gonna get shout is is to do'sCachusco gonna get a shout out.
And my first thought withouteven thinking, I texted him, I
said, I bet you they don't I betyou he doesn't mention Cachusco.
And I get I'll put 10 bucks onthat.
I'll put money on that.
I'll put money on that.
SPEAKER_03 (35:36):
I put 10 bucks and a jar of Cachusco mustard, so we
got a little bit of a side betgoing.
Real money.
We know money talks bullshitwalks, so I'm hoping I'm not
walking on bullshit after this.
SPEAKER_04 (35:50):
A jar of Cachusco on the line.
Is Hamilton on the$10 bill?
SPEAKER_03 (35:56):
Yeah, I'm an idiot.
SPEAKER_04 (35:58):
He wanted to like replace him with like Susan B.
Anthony at some point or somelady at one point.
SPEAKER_03 (36:02):
See, they're gonna come out with a Trump dollar
coin.
That guy is insufferable, man.
Oh my god.
Drives me c crazy.
This is what we fought against.
Um, so yeah, so that's one aprop, like so.
We're thinking there's a coupleof things that were like
over-under.
What episode do they starttalking about?
(36:22):
Slavery.
Um first episode.
SPEAKER_04 (36:27):
I think it won't mess up, it'll be about he well,
you can that's not well, that'shis style, too.
He always talks about all thesedifferent groups.
SPEAKER_03 (36:34):
And but yeah.
Couple over-unders, couple likeis will Benedict Arnold be uh
mentioned as a complex figure orsomething.
Complex figure.
Yeah, something like that.
So could be fun.
We'll put the we'll get thosetogether.
Um, hopefully, we can get thosetogether and we'll talk about
that.
SPEAKER_04 (36:51):
But then a real you guys too, our fans too, our
fans.
Yeah.
Dick Pepperfield.
Dick doing Dick, we need yourhelp on this one.
SPEAKER_03 (37:00):
Uh yeah, and you know, I think I think our fans
are well educated enough in thetime period with the card thing
that we did to be able to kindof put together some.
I think Deborah Sampson will themet with Deborah Sam will the
Deborah Sampson story bementioned.
Deborah Sampson, I think.
SPEAKER_04 (37:17):
Uh uh Merciotis Warren, she got a shot out in
the interview he did with uhTheo Vaughn.
He already shouted her out.
SPEAKER_03 (37:24):
One of my really well now queens.
Well na your queen.
Yeah.
Um the uh she was the one whowrote the history of the
American Revolution.
She wrote the history, yeah.
Um, and then a perfect queen foryou, I would say.
She is like your queen.
Like, you know how like you say,like, my queen, like, you know.
(37:46):
I feel like if you guys kneweach other, yeah.
You should be like, what are youdoing?
This is a republic, this is afederal republic.
And then um, yeah, so if youfans, if you want to put in on
any of that, that would begreat.
I I will say, there's anarticle, great article in what
was that PBS?
The PBS put an article togetherwhere our buddy uh big Ken was
(38:07):
in our favorite place in thecountry.
Boy.
I wonder if he wanted to leaveas quickly as we did.
Ken was in Williamsburg,Colonial Williamsburg, doing a
couple talks.
And I said to John, I'm like,well, I guess they rolled out
the red carpet for him.
I mean, they're talking aboutlike, oh, the blacksmith was
inviting him over and wanted himto see so-and-so, and all the
(38:29):
reenactors were like greetinghim and doing this and that.
And I was that son of a bitchafter dark.
SPEAKER_04 (38:36):
I would have loved this to attract him with a
camera because he would havedefinitely walked up to a locked
door and somebody would havebeen like, it's Ken Burns, go by
the door, go with the Burgesses.
I know Burgesses are closed atfive on the nose.
SPEAKER_03 (38:47):
Dude, I bet they would have kept the door.
I bet if Ken Burns was walkingup the street, they would have
that woman wouldn't have takenher flag inside.
Do you imagine if they did,though?
That would be great.
SPEAKER_04 (38:57):
He went to the courthouse.
I think he would have been theguy who would have been as
snippy with Ken Burns askingabout slate killing slaves.
SPEAKER_03 (39:04):
Yeah, you think they uh like you made a good point.
You think they they had to coverup their tattoos and their and
their nose rings for when KenBurns showed up in the kitchen?
What a ridiculous place in theworld.
Did he have peanut soup?
That's all we I really careabout.
Dude, I that would be sweet.
Like there was, oh man, now thatI'm thinking about it.
(39:25):
For like a lot of money, youcould have met Ken Burns at this
thing last night.
I would have well, I would haveloved to meet him and ask him
what he thought of ColonialWilliamsburg, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (39:36):
Like we were like, alright, Ken.
Answer me.
After dark, of course.
After dark.
It's after dark.
What did you think ofWilliamsburg?
SPEAKER_03 (39:45):
Oh my god.
And that movie.
The after dark answer would begreat, dude.
He probably hates it there.
SPEAKER_04 (39:53):
It's so tacky.
It's so tacky.
He's like, I've like made I he'slike, I make I make pictures
come to life.
I have to like write a yeah,12-hour documentary with
freaking pictures from the CivilWar.
I and I got this crap I'mwalking through.
Yeah.
Crap after dark.
Shite.
SPEAKER_03 (40:13):
Yeah.
Oh man.
I just that was funny that hewas at Williamsburg.
I thought that was funny.
And then um the other huge,humongous bomb that dropped
today.
It was just uh completely justmade my week.
You know, I was down this week,you know, just going through the
motions at work, and I getsomething on I don't know if I
(40:35):
saw it on Twitter or what.
I think it might have seen it onTwitter.
New doc new drama series.
Is that what you want to say?
SPEAKER_04 (40:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (40:47):
Of one of the great the great heroes of mental
health in this country.
SPEAKER_04 (40:54):
He just did so much to draw attention to it.
SPEAKER_03 (40:59):
They are coming out.
Netflix is releasing a four-partseries, a dramatization of a
friend of the show, Mr.
Charles Guteau, and his path topath to being hung.
Path to the uh what do they callit?
(41:20):
What do you get hung on?
Um the gallows.
His path is his gun.
His trip to the gallows.
It's called Death by Lightning,which I don't I'd love to know
what that means.
Because he wasn't electrocuted.
The electric chair did not existat that time.
But like, did he get struck bylightning, which made him go
crazy?
Is that what they're gonna did?
(41:41):
If you guys remember, CharlesGouteau was the gem of a human
who thought he had a job with uhuh James Garfield's in James
Garfield's cabinet, followed himaround, everyone hated him, then
he shot him and blame and thensaid that I didn't kill him.
The doctors who let him getinfected are the ones who killed
(42:02):
him.
SPEAKER_04 (42:03):
He's not he's not wrong.
He would have made a greatlawyer.
I mean, if he was half sane.
SPEAKER_03 (42:09):
And there's it's a it's a studded cast.
SPEAKER_04 (42:11):
The the trailer had real people in it.
SPEAKER_03 (42:14):
The trailer had a great soundtrack to it, and boy
oh boy, am I excited for thatone.
SPEAKER_04 (42:22):
Michael Shannon plays President James Garfield,
Nick Offerman is Chester Arthur.
Was Chester Arthur his uh vicepresident, I guess?
This is his vice president,yeah.
Then yeah, the guy McFadden,yeah, McFadden in his the role
of his career playing theCharles J.
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
Gateau.
The trailer makes it seem likean epic, like that it's all
very, you know, intense and it'sa it's a good story, but there's
a great little snippet, which isphenomenal.
Our boy Charles Gateau issomewhere in an office and he's
getting ejected.
He's getting kicked out andasking for a job repeatedly.
(43:02):
His response was I'm a taxpayer,eat shit.
After dark.
I hope this is the most afterdark show of all time.
SPEAKER_04 (43:14):
So it's based off a book called Destiny of the
Republic (43:17):
A Tale of Madness, Medicine, and the Murder of a
President.
Came out in 2011.
Oh man, I can't wait.
I can't wait, dude.
I can't wait.
That's amazing.
I can't believe it.
Shout him out.
SPEAKER_03 (43:30):
We could tweet him out.
I did I texted our a couple ofour fans and our um big fan of
this show, Dick Pepperfield, ofcourse, always with the witty
responses.
I said I said the I sent thelink and said, This is gonna be
lit, fam, to which Mr.
Dick Pepperfield said, Did youtwo will this into existence?
Which I like to think we did.
SPEAKER_04 (43:52):
No, I think our fans in Kenya did.
I think our Kenyan fans came toLA and were obviously causing
enough ruckus to make thishappen for us.
SPEAKER_03 (44:03):
It's gonna be great.
I can't wait, dude.
So we'll be talking about thatfor sure on an episode.
Maybe we'll have to do afour-part episode on that.
I don't know.
I don't know how we're gonna doit.
We we failed so many timesreviewing things that I'm a
little worried about it.
Like our revolution.
(44:24):
We can't do a revolution.
It's gonna be the hottest thingof the it's gonna be the hottest
thing of the year.
SPEAKER_04 (44:31):
We're very pumped.
SPEAKER_03 (44:32):
Did you tell Max?
Did you tell Max G about it?
We'll watch with him.
SPEAKER_04 (44:36):
I'll be off insist, he watches it.
SPEAKER_03 (44:38):
Oh man, I can't wait.
So fans, you we got a couplesoftballs thrown our thrown our
way, I think, coming up.
So hopefully it gets us back onthe mics.
I know everybody missed us.
SPEAKER_04 (44:50):
Nick Offerman is Jester Arthur.
Wow.
That's gonna be something.
SPEAKER_03 (45:01):
I can't wait.
I hope they paint Mr.
Gateau as the hero of the film.
SPEAKER_04 (45:07):
Like, just not crazy.
I mean, I feel like they could,well, I could see an angle
definitely being like a mentalillness and like tying it into
like modern day and like being alittle bit more.
Do you think so?
A little more uh a little lessheavy-handed as they probably
were back in the day.
SPEAKER_03 (45:20):
You think they're gonna hit up they're you think
they're gonna hit up the um thethe prayer that or the song that
he sang or whatever?
SPEAKER_04 (45:26):
I was thinking that.
I was like, are they gonna havethat's a good prop bed show?
How many times does he ask for ajob?
I'm going to the Lordy.
SPEAKER_03 (45:44):
He sure was, which why was that not the title of
the doc of the show?
I'm going to the Lordy, I'm soglad.
I am going to the Lordy, I am soglad.
I am going to the Lordy.
Glory hallelujah.
Glory hallelujah.
I am going to the Lordy.
Wasn't there another thing wherehe fell in love with like one of
(46:05):
the media people or whatever?
I mean, he was just he was thebest.
He was absurd.
SPEAKER_04 (46:12):
Yeah.
I mean, he had a pretty he waspretty far out ahead of everyone
else that we covered in thatepisode.
I know.
John Shrink was kind of funnytoo, but not as funny.
SPEAKER_03 (46:23):
Yeah, what was his deal?
SPEAKER_04 (46:25):
He tried to kill Roosevelt.
SPEAKER_03 (46:27):
Yeah, well, Strank was like he was you.
That's why it was right.
He was like a constitutionalist,right?
And that he was all upsetbecause he was running for
founding fathers.
SPEAKER_04 (46:37):
Yeah, it was.
SPEAKER_03 (46:38):
You can't run for another term because the
founding father said no.
unknown (46:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (46:43):
That was his big thing.
Yeah.
And he was like, wasn't TeduzKosciusko like his like favorite
person?
SPEAKER_04 (46:49):
Yeah, he dropped his name, yeah.
And like a list of names.
Yeah.
That's why they're on theticket.
My ticket, my voting ticket.
SPEAKER_03 (46:58):
Well, fans, we're back on the mic.
This was uh, you know, an afterdark episode, so it was
unscripted.
I we probably rambled.
We're probably not going to getuh, I don't know.
I'm a little I don't know.
I think we did okay.
We got off topic a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (47:16):
It's fine.
We were most of the episode wassetting the topic.
It's fine.
It's after dark.
It's true.
Maybe we'll do a couple moreafter dark episodes.
The whole episode was reallyabout telling people about these
new shows.
Especially coming on guitau.
Do we need to tell our fans thatwe're not doing the state thing,
or is that implied?
Are we not?
(47:36):
I still have my notes.
SPEAKER_03 (47:38):
Emily M texted me.
She's like, thank God you guysstopped that episode.
It was one.
The Delaware one.
When I like cut it off, it waslike, yeah, we bombed it.
Remember that?
You don't remember how I didthat episode?
SPEAKER_04 (47:55):
Yeah, it wasn't our best work.
SPEAKER_03 (47:58):
Wait, you actually we actually released it?
Yes.
I released like the first half.
How did we what did we talkabout that?
I was like, oh, I gotta like Igotta release this gem.
I gotta I gotta get this partout.
I forget.
I forget what all happenedthere.
Then we were gonna do then thelast thing we were going to um
(48:20):
review our trip to um down to uhVirginia where we went to um
God.
We should do that still.
Um Charlottesville.
Yeah.
We went to um why can't I thinkof uh why can't I think of these
names?
Monticello.
(48:40):
Monticello, Montpellier, andHighland.
Highland question mark?
Yeah, there's a little bit ofthere's some good stories in
there.
It's good to be back.
Sure is.
Sure is.
I don't know when the next one'sgonna be.
Maybe I don't know, fans, let usknow.
You guys want to hear a recap ofour trip down to
Charlottesville?
Charlottesville?
Yes.
You want to hear a recap of thejust let us know.
(49:03):
I still have the notesavailable, and maybe it would be
more fun to just rehash it outsix weeks later.
I don't know.
Did I see what the bad day inhistory for today is?
What day is it today?
October 10th?
If it was like September 11th,it'd be funny.
Like talk about a bad day atwork.
SPEAKER_04 (49:25):
We bought a new car on September 11th.
SPEAKER_03 (49:34):
Bad day in history for October what day is it
today?
The 11th 10th.
10th.
The Reign of Terror.
October 10th, 1793.
The reign of terror, man used inthe name of reason.
In the aftermath of the FrenchRevolution, a violent
retribution known as the Reignof Terror was launched against
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perceived enemies of the newstate, including God.
Thousands were sent to theguillotine guillotine while the
Almighty was officiallybanished.
Reason to be France's new deity,revolutionary leader Joseph
Fouchet.
Fouchet decreed on October 10th,1793, the only sexual worse
worship would be that of theuniverse of universal morality.
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Fouché even ordered the supremebeing out of the graveyards with
the Christian promise ofresurrection replaced at their
entrances with the atheisticmessage, death is the eternal
sleep.
Yikes.
Shit was popping off after dark.
Shit was popping off in Francein the 1700s, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (50:37):
A few Republican marriages, and yeah.
They tie people together andthey stab them and throw them in
this river scene.
That was their marriage?
They called it a repo quoteRepublican marriage.
They were just like murderingcouples.
They were just like murderingpeople.
It's just men and women.
I don't know if they werenecessarily together, but yeah,
they would tie them up, stabthem, and then like throw them
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in the river water.
Because they were religious?
Either religious or they werejust deemed as enemies.
Which it wasn't just religiouspeople, it was not just the
clergy, it was aristocracy.
Eventually the more moderates.
The Jardin.
That would be interesting, butobviously it's French.
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I don't know how interestingit'd be.
A lot of stuff happened in theFrench Revolution.
A lot of crazy stuff.
unknown (51:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (51:31):
A lot of gate a lot of gateau types.
You think so?
Came out the woodwork.
Oh, for sure.
They restarted their calendarfor like day zero and they
called it like some crazy name.
It was literally one of those,yeah, it was those types of
things.
Yeah.
That's why they've got Napoleon.
Try to recenter it a little bit.
SPEAKER_03 (51:51):
Your boy.
Your boy.
I always thought Napoleon waslike universally known as a bad
person, but like it's he's ahe's kind of a complicated
figure, as Benedict Arnoldprobably is being considered in
Ken Bern's documentary.
SPEAKER_04 (52:05):
Well, he had the Napoleonic Code, which was like
educating education.
There was like a lot of stuff hedid that actually kind of Yeah,
he was a tyrant, but I don'tthink he's of the sort of like
Mao or Stalin or Hitler.
Yeah, he was moving in on otherpeople, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (52:22):
Yeah, like if you took out the world domination
aspect of his reign, like maybehe was meant well.
Our boy Tadoos saw right throughit though.
He did.
Avril uh judge of character, ourboy Todoos shoes go.
SPEAKER_04 (52:42):
Mr.
SPEAKER_03 (52:43):
Mustard.
You got anything else to leavethe fans with, John?
Nope.
We missed it.
I need a new catchphrase.
You're gonna get a newcatchphrase?
Need one.
We need one for after dark.
Is it just money talks bullshitwalks?
Remember it, fans?
You'll have to get ChatGPT outon that one.
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Alright, fans.
Hope you enjoyed it.
Keep your freedoms close atheart.
They're going away.
Thanks to our buddy in the WhiteHouse.
And Woodrow Wilson and AlexanderHamilton.
I forgot about our new uh nailing history intro
music.
I was rocking out to that.
It's been a minute.
It's been a few.
So Delaware, huh?
Yeah.
Ooh, Delaware.
Delaware action.
Let's do it.
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I got my notes.
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I'm sure you do.
Well, do you have to can youapologize?
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I'm sorry to you.
I'm sorry to the fans.
I uh I'm a flake, as you allknow.
Not much has changed as we nearthe end of 2025.
Can you believe that?
SPEAKER_03 (01:06):
It's gonna be hard to drum up another best of
episode for uh for this year, Iwould say.
How many episodes have weclocked?
I don't know.
Not enough.
Oh wow.
My money's just going right downthe toilet with these uh
subscriptions.
SPEAKER_04 (01:27):
Maybe you could do a buyback at the end of the year.
See maybe like a maybe see ifthe script will give you uh a
credit.
SPEAKER_03 (01:34):
I don't know and use your services for like I don't
know, man.
Maybe it's maybe it's worth itbecause uh according to
according to this guy, Carlosfrom Podstatus, we're doing very
well in Kenya.
SPEAKER_04 (01:53):
I don't know where else we'd want to be doing well.
SPEAKER_03 (01:57):
Narobi nailing nailing history in Nairobi.
Could you imagine if there'slike a group of people in some
country where like their onlybit of history, like no like
their only bit of Americanhistory is like what we've
taught them?
SPEAKER_04 (02:13):
It's like we got through all of the sanctions.
Like only our podcast has madeit through all the sanctions of
all these countries.
SPEAKER_03 (02:20):
That would be a pretty funny movie.
Like there's this, like there'sthis like country out there that
like we're like uh we've taughttheir whole generation about
history, like they play our showin like school, and now since we
haven't had any episodes, theylike haven't had any schools.
SPEAKER_04 (02:37):
Like the school, the country's falling apart, like
the whole market's justcollapsed all because they
haven't gotten their dailyweekly dose.
It would be fun.
I mean, what?
Because China has their ownFacebook, all these countries
make their own things.
You don't do that?
Our traffic made it throughbecause we're we just flew under
the radar.
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It's possible.
That would be a good movie.
I don't know what we can getinto.
I don't know what we need to getinto.
SPEAKER_03 (03:08):
It's a bit of a uh a little bit of a flyer episode.
I was thinking, John, what ifwhat if we made this like a you
know, we're recording this on aFriday night.
Vibes are good looking into theweekend as opposed to we
normally are looking out of theweekend.
Right.
So vibes are good, it's night.
You know, I was thinking, whatif we uh what if we call this a
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nailing history after dark?
And and and pull, and then youknow, and and uh and ditch the
sensor button.
SPEAKER_04 (03:41):
Just leave it all on the line.
Let's just get it all out there.
I don't know if our Kenyanfriends are gonna approve, but
they'll let us know.
SPEAKER_03 (03:49):
Then like we do an after dark episode, and like
society just crumbles and likecrimes rampant.
SPEAKER_04 (03:56):
Or the or the Kenyan stock market goes up 50,000
points overnight.
SPEAKER_03 (04:01):
So just rejuvenated.
I guess I guess if you thinkabout it, the reason of the for
the hiatus is like nothing'sbeen going on in this country.
SPEAKER_04 (04:11):
Absolutely zero.
It's so boring.
SPEAKER_03 (04:14):
It's been boring out there.
I can't think of one thing, youknow.
SPEAKER_04 (04:18):
Well, we did we already nailed the tariff stuff
you know a long time ago.
Uh-huh.
So we kind of entered the yearnot only having so much to talk
about.
And that all kind of just hitthe wall for a while.
SPEAKER_03 (04:31):
I think all the fans are, I feel I feel like the fans
have used the knowledge thatthey've gained on our podcast to
for water cooler talk.
SPEAKER_02 (04:38):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (04:39):
I think so.
So, like, I don't know,nothing's really been going on,
but I don't know.
This uh I just got kind of firedup about the uh you know, I
don't get fired up aboutpolitics very often, and I do I
think most of it's bullshit.
It's after dark, so we can saywhatever we can say whatever the
(05:01):
hell we want.
You were heated.
I was heated, I've cooled offextensively.
SPEAKER_04 (05:08):
Really hot and bothered.
It was what was that Tuesday?
SPEAKER_03 (05:11):
I was in a bad day.
I was having a I've I was havingI've been having a rough little
a rough week-ish.
And this has been going on, andit's just like been grinding my
gears big time, and I'm justlike, I don't, I don't just man.
SPEAKER_04 (05:32):
I mean, it's shocking to some.
I could see why it's catchingsome attention in the in the in
the media circuit, but hey,there's a history to it.
Nothing new as far as I'mconcerned.
It's Friday night.
Sleeps are up.
It's Friday night.
Sleeps are up.
I'm eating soup.
I got a beer cracked oat.
SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
I'm I just had a nice bowl of instant oatmeal.
SPEAKER_04 (05:53):
I am ready to go.
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (05:57):
Nailing history after dark.
I guess my thing is um me andthe two of us, I think, is just
in general, are more proponentsof you can say what you want.
I think the term libertarian ismore too widely used.
I don't necessarily know if I'ma libertarian necessarily.
I think I'm just more likeeveryone should be free to do
(06:20):
whatever they want.
Yep.
We know you.
You're in you're an EL ELE guy.
Everybody love everybody, right?
You can do whatever you want.
I don't care.
As long as it doesn't affectwell, even if it does affect
well, let me think about that.
If it does affect me, would yoube able to still do it?
I guess so.
SPEAKER_04 (06:41):
I'm all for people people, if you make your bed,
you gotta sleep in it too.
And that actions haveconsequences, and if you just
think there's someone alwaysgonna bail you out, that's not
right.
Whether it's the government,mom, your daddy, anyone.
SPEAKER_03 (06:56):
Okay, well that doesn't really get to where
we're going here.
So the the what I was what I wasall hot and bothered with was
it's late night.
SPEAKER_02 (07:04):
This this after dark, sorry.
SPEAKER_03 (07:09):
This freaking yeah, it's after dark.
It's nailing history after dark.
This freaking clown show goingon in um with like the National
Guard getting deployed to citiesand across America.
I think it started with DC, andit's all from the federal
government sending this out,right?
No one's asking for it, which isthe biggest my biggest gripe
(07:30):
with it, you know.
And well, there might beindividuals, but governors of
the states aren't.
And they send so first was DC,and DC's like, well, DC is the
White House is there.
SPEAKER_04 (07:44):
So like Well, Congress.
I mean, Congress gave theirmunicipal powers to a mayor.
I mean, if Congress wants toshuttle that down, it can.
It's just they don't want todeal with running a city.
They can.
SPEAKER_03 (07:54):
So that could that was a little bit more
permissible, would you say?
Yeah, I'd say so.
They have more of a case therethan like Chicago.
So then Chicago just out ofnowhere started becoming this
like hotbed topic of I thinkthere's issues with like ice,
people are protesting ice andnot the beverage cooler, but the
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immigration something oranother.
SPEAKER_04 (08:21):
Enforcement agency, yeah.
What's this got great benefitsright now?
$50,000 signing bonus if any oneof our fans it's after dark,
remember.
What's the C in corrections,maybe?
No.
Is it so?
We're very qualified.
Immigration and customs.
Oh, customs, right.
Okay.
Customs, please.
SPEAKER_03 (08:41):
Anyway, so like I think it started off with that,
but then everyone's saying thecity's so unsafe, there's all
this crime, blah, blah, blah.
So then Trump's taking uponhimself, or I don't want to say
Trump, just the federalgovernment in general.
There's a bunch of bozos runningthe show over there.
And then did you see who gotsent to Chicago?
Do you see the pictures?
(09:02):
No.
I mean, the National Guard fromTexas is like they show up,
they're like freaking.
I don't even know.
I didn't even know they madearmy attire that size.
So I was like, at first, I waslike, at first I was like, oh
man, these people from Chicago.
Then I like saw who was showingup.
I was like, I guess it's notthat big of a deal.
(09:23):
But like, you know, didn't sendmy brother.
I think that's your biggest.
I think that's one of thebiggest ways for your freedoms
to be taken from you is for yourown government to enter your
city or where you live unaskedby people who don't live there.
Well, and like it's not theirthing.
SPEAKER_04 (09:45):
Yeah.
Uh I will say typically when thehit yeah, way back in the day,
you had to be a governor had toask you for help.
If you wanted the militia tocome in, the governor needed to
basically have that goes back tothe whiskey rebellion.
And that was a very sp like uh,you know, these specific cases
where they deem an uprising oran insurrection, and so to quill
(10:07):
it, they send in federal troopsor you know, you know, armed
militia troops.
And yeah, there's a precedent insome way, shape, or form for it.
But in this example with Trump,because it's ICE, like all the
states basically agree that thefederal government would be
responsible for immigration,right?
Like states don't control theirown immigration policy.
(10:28):
Like Texas can't say, you know,we want to allow, you know,
100,000 Mexicans into our state,into our state per year.
We know we give them work visasand they can only work and live
within Texas until they becomelike formal U.S.
citizens.
At some point down the trackdown the line, like all the
states offloaded immigration tothe federal government, and so
ICE is part of immigration.
(10:51):
And so with that, like thestates, even if the governor
didn't ask for the NationalGuard in terms of like ICE
enforcement, like a statedoesn't have to provide its own
resources to help ICE carry outwhat it's trying to carry out,
but it can't obstruct it either.
It can't obstruct the federalact of trying to deal with
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immigration.
And I think that's kind ofreally what's going on in the
background with all these moreliberal blue states and cities,
is that yeah, Trump's kind ofusing it as a way to say like it
just feels like it feels likethe the whole immigration thing
is like I get it.
SPEAKER_03 (11:30):
Maybe there's there's some there's some
there's something to likeknowing who's here, whatever,
border security, because I'malways I always think we've
talked about this before thatlike we could get Trojan horse
as a country.
And people don't realize that.
I don't think I don't I thinkpeople Well some sides want it.
SPEAKER_04 (11:47):
Maybe but like the Democrats want more illegals
here because the when the well Ilistened to a whole podcast
about the census coming up, andin the census, the census
doesn't the whole should justcitizens be included on the
census?
Because with with based on thecensus, that's how you get
apportionment in the House ofRepresentatives.
And typically speaking, the deppart of the reason the Democrats
even have the numbers they haveare because of if you're in the
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House, if you got a household often people with legal, illegal,
doesn't matter, they're allgonna be counted as one person,
and then when it comes time toactually apportioning the
states, uh the districts acrossthe country, they're gonna have
an outsized man.
So the Democrats objectivelywant more immigrants, legal or
other legal or illegal.
Okay.
It benefits them.
SPEAKER_03 (12:30):
Okay, so it's political, it's political
however you look at it, I guess.
But for sure.
It's almost like he read thebook of the whiskey rebellion
and was like, oh, I can say thatI'm doing it because of this and
send troops into these citiesand take control.
It's not the same.
Well, no, well, so the whiskeyso the whiskey rebellion was in
(12:51):
1791, our buddy and your ace ofclubs, Alexander Hamilton, ace
of clubs?
Yes.
I don't like him, but I just puta federal ta a tax on whiskey to
help pay off the national debt.
But right.
(13:12):
And then but then the farmers inPennsylvania, specifically in
Pennsylvania, but just anyfarmers like out in the you know
st the booth.
SPEAKER_04 (13:22):
Maybe at the time rye, rye whiskey was really
popular in western Pennsylvaniaat the time, and a lot of the
barley, all these things thatthey farmed, so now of a sudden
they're paying off the debt.
SPEAKER_03 (13:34):
They're left holding the bag.
unknown (13:36):
Yep.
SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
And then people brewing beer up in New England
aren't paying for it.
Right.
Oh, there you go.
Right.
So then protests blew up, andthen in 1794, George Washington
led a min militia of 13,000troops to suppress it.
Now he now Washington went toled them himself.
(14:01):
So I don't see Trump.
That's pretty cool.
That's very cool.
I mean, oh, is it very not thatcool if you were a farmer?
But hey, he put his money wherehis mouth is.
I don't see Trump out theregetting shot with pepper pepper
bullets or whatever's going onover in Chicago.
Plus, I also think that I don'teven know if it's really that.
I mean, I think the NationalGuard and like the ICE are a
bunch of bozos, probably, andlike they're acting a fool
(14:23):
because they don't really knowwhat they're doing.
Because I don't think thegovernment can really do
anything right.
But um I think it's not like theprotests and everything.
I just feel like it's beingpainted as like a worse picture
than it actually is, just sothat Trump can do this and like
try to get the backing ofpeople.
SPEAKER_04 (14:42):
Yeah.
Which I don't think was the casewith Washington.
I don't think he was I don'tknow.
SPEAKER_03 (14:47):
I don't I don't think so, but I think Hamilton
might have needed a but thissets a precedence of like, oh, I
can say I'm doing this and usethe military to suppress people.
SPEAKER_02 (14:58):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
It's a it's like a definitely a power that can be
abused, and it's the thisprecedence is set, and I think,
yeah, I mean, is it the worst,was it the worst thing, the
whiskey rebellion?
Like, I don't know.
But like the Constitution wasbrand new, and it already it
always it already seemed likethe federal government was like
more powerful than it evershould have been, thanks to
(15:19):
Alexander Hamilton, who wanted aking, who always wanted a king,
like you've said.
And that's kind of what it is.
That's kind of what the actionis, and that's kind of what's
going on now.
Is like, I don't know, it's likepeople he might have been the
most prescient.
SPEAKER_04 (15:34):
I mean, maybe his knowledge on human nature, I
don't know, but he he kind ofwas just like, let's get all
this, let's get all thepleasantries out of the way and
just make a king for life,because that's what we're gonna
that's what we're workingtowards, and all these ever
everyone else was just trying tostop it.
Maybe it can't be stopped, youknow?
Power corrupts and absolutepower corrupts absolutely.
And I don't know.
Everyone's been neutered,Congress is been neutered.
(15:57):
Uh but like I just buteveryone's gonna take the wrong
example out of it.
Whether you're for or againstit, it's gonna come from a very,
I think a lot of timehistorically kind of ignorant
place, and it'll be just like,oh, I like what he's doing
because I like what he's doing,not whether it's legal or
constitutional.
I think that's all verysecondary at this point.
SPEAKER_03 (16:15):
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, and then Ithink I was like just thinking
about it, and the other thingthat is like frustrating to me,
I don't know if there's been anyother examples of this, and like
maybe you know, you think backto like the Civil War, probably
not the same situation, butdoesn't it feel like yeah,
(16:38):
Trump's being Trump's beingoverpowering whatever?
But then I'm looking at it thesame way as like the leaders of
this these cities are also likeseem like they're just like
fighting Trump just to fightTrump.
Like, you know, I think they'rejust like it there there's no
agreement going on.
It's like no matter whathappens, they're gonna disagree
(16:58):
or go against it for politicalgain, right?
I think it's all for politicalgain.
So like I feel like both of thesides are using this power
struggle and like using theirpeople as like pawns in this
game for sure, taking liketaking their freedoms away just
to prove that they can.
(17:19):
Like, how mad would you be iflike you went out your front
door and you just saw like theNational Guard marching the
street for no reason that youdidn't invite them to?
And then you know, I think a lotof the time, well, and the
Whiskey Rebellion might be aperfect example of this, or just
(17:39):
in general, is like people withthe Second Amendment argument
with people, right?
People say, like, you you know,they're the argument for the
Second Amend Amendment, inaddition to self-defense,
because self-defense can onlytake you so far as far as like
how many guns you should be ableto own or like what level or
whatever.
It's like a lot of people say,oh, well, the reason that the
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the reason that the SecondAmendment was put into the
Constitution was so that thepeople would have the power to
fight against a tyrannicalgovernment.
SPEAKER_04 (18:09):
No?
Well, to form a well-regulatedmilitia, but unfortunately that
well-regulated thewell-regulated militias being
used against them because it wasnationalized by Woodrow Wilson,
and now we have National Guardsin the way they are.
We don't have state militiasanymore.
SPEAKER_03 (18:22):
I mean, so the part so the thing for the national so
the National Guard was is likethe new version of like state
militias.
SPEAKER_04 (18:32):
Yeah, that sounds not true.
What do you mean Woodrow WilsonGoogle check it out?
Woodrow Wilson and the NationalGuard.
The National Guard Act, wasn'tit?
1913.
Let's have a look here.
It's after dark.
It's after dark.
The National Defense Act of 1916was signed by Woodrow Wilson.
SPEAKER_03 (18:54):
Don't talk listen, time out.
Don't talk about it like youlike don't present it as if you
know what you're talking about.
Okay, okay.
After dark.
I'm Googling it.
Yeah, but don't like talk aboutit like I told you.
I told you, see?
No, you have to say that.
SPEAKER_04 (19:12):
Let's see, let's see here.
National defense.
Okay, creative federalizedstandards.
It mandated that federal fundingand control over the guard
establishing national standardsfor training, equipment, and
efficiency.
Guardsmen were required to wearU.S.
Army uniforms.
The act greatly increased thepresident's power to mobilize
the National Guard during adeclared national emergency.
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It also authorized the draftingof guardsmen into the U.S.
Army for overseas service.
SPEAKER_03 (19:41):
Why?
What was the reason that he didthat?
World War One on the Like whatwhat was his what was his
reason?
SPEAKER_04 (19:52):
I don't know.
Sign the into law.
SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
Isn't he your least favorite president?
SPEAKER_04 (20:00):
I don't like him.
By 1916, the U.S.
was still officially neutral inWorld War I, but Europe was
already two years into the war.
There were growing fears thatthe U.S.
now fans after dark Chat GPT.
There were growing fears thatthe U.S.
military was too small anddisorganized to defend the
country or project power ifdrawn in.
The regular army had only abouta hundred thousand soldiers,
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smaller than Portugal's army atthe time.
The National Guard, controlledby state governors, varied
widely in size, training, andequipment quality.
The purpose of the act uhWilson's answer is sweeping
reform that fundamentallyreshaped the U.S.
military to modernize and expandthe army, to federalize the
National Guard, uh allowing thepresident to federalize the
(20:45):
Guard for longer periods and formore missions, even overseas.
SPEAKER_03 (20:49):
So this is Woodrow Wilson's fault.
SPEAKER_04 (20:55):
It's in part.
Again, I go back to Lincoln.
Lincoln's the one who do you goback to the civil the civil war
neutered the states.
I mean, and if the militiapowers were a state power, well,
that power was okay, maybe itwas still on the books from 1865
until 1916, but Olsen just put aput the nail in the coffin.
SPEAKER_03 (21:18):
So do you consider the Confederate army state
militia?
SPEAKER_04 (21:24):
No.
They would have been their ownfederal they had they were their
own federal republic at thatpoint.
Okay.
And then they would have hadtheir own standing army.
So in the time of war.
SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (21:37):
Do you have a federal army?
The Constitution did not allowfor a standing army.
It's what they fought.
That's why the whole thing wasbasically run by militia in the
beginning, and all the tensionin the beginning of the
Revolutionary War.
We had militia, and thenLincoln, you know, Washington's
like, we need a formal army tofight the British, and there was
a lot of resistance.
SPEAKER_03 (21:57):
Who said that?
SPEAKER_04 (21:58):
Wash Washington and Hamilton type, like all this.
Probably Hancock probably hadsomething to do with it.
That good looking son of achannel.
Like John Adams, like more likeFederalist types of people.
Not Patrick Henry, probably.
You don't think?
I don't.
Because he was like top dog inVirginia, first of all.
I mean, he he was the Pritzkerof his day, kind of like he was
(22:21):
a Gavin Newsom type where he waslike a major power in his state.
Who's Pritzker?
Isn't he the Jeb Pritzker?
Isn't that how you say theIllinois governor?
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (22:32):
I heard Pete Pete Heggseth was saying he should do
some push-ups or something.
Did you see that?
No.
But I it's so absurd.
It's so crazy, dude.
It's so crazy.
Like what I don't know.
I mean, I just think if theywould have asked for it, sure,
you can you can have it.
(22:55):
Have what?
Like if the people of Chicago islike, this is getting out of
control, we need help takingcare of our people, then you
can, you know.
You can have it.
Plus, like, I think the peoplewho live there aren't being
affected by it.
Or the people who are a lot,like the loudest voices about
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this whole thing seems to bepeople who don't live in the
city.
SPEAKER_04 (23:22):
Yeah.
Well, that's uh that's out ofthe playbook of most
progressives.
It's always the other someoneelse we have to worry about,
never mind in the backyard.
What do you mean?
Because it's so much easier toworry about something that's not
impacting you daily.
You said most people that aremaking the loudest noise about
it don't live in Chicago.
Right.
That's that's like a typicalprogressive thing.
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But then I'm gonna be superworried about the rest of the
world or what's going on in theother side of the country or
what the laws are in Mississippior what the laws are.
And I'd say maybe some ways likepeople on the right might far
right might say, Oh, whathappened in California?
It's like, yeah, you're alwaysworried about the other side
because I don't think peoplelike looking in the mirror and
be like, uh, like probablyshould fix the potholes in our
(24:05):
town first.
SPEAKER_03 (24:06):
I was pretty hot.
I was trying to get a rise outof a bunch of people, but I
wasn't getting a lot of.
You were the only one that kindof responded.
unknown (24:12):
Come on.
SPEAKER_03 (24:13):
It's after dark.
I'm gonna respond to you.
Yeah, but you didn't reallyrespond that well.
You kind of were just like Yeah,we're working.
Oh, you sent me this nicepicture of Woodrow Wilson.
What's the fourteen?
It doesn't matter if it'sconstitutional.
What's the what's the 14thAmendment?
Is that the Woodrow Wilson?
SPEAKER_04 (24:28):
The 14th Amendment is what started and kind of
that's what's began neuteringthe states.
I mean, that's the war wasfought.
And then the that's where wehave the citizenship clause and
you know, birthrightcitizenships all tied into the
14th Amendment, substantive dueprocess, so all the stuff.
Every time the it's the reasonwhy the Supreme Court were able
(24:50):
to incorporate the Bill ofRights against the states
themselves.
So meaning, like, if someone'sgonna basically fight for their
Second Amendment right, let'ssay, in because the state of
Pennsylvania passes what theysee as an unconstitutional
infringement of their SecondAmendment rights, they would
file a case, they could file acase and take it up to the
Supreme Court based on theFourteenth Amendment
(25:13):
incorporating the SecondAmendment.
So it's like without theFourteenth Amendment, there'd be
no way that a person couldbasically say Wisconsin's taking
away my rights to abortion, andyou know, the state, the state
legislature of Wisconsin passeda law, governor signed it into
law, taking away my right toabortion or my right to own a
(25:35):
gun.
If you didn't have the 14thAmendment, like you could go up
to the what Wisconsin SupremeCourt, but you wouldn't be able
to take it then to the U.S.
Supreme Court after the fact.
Oh.
Basically, like the whole ideaof like there's when we we when
a when somebody hears the wordSupreme Court, they think of one
building in Washington, D.C.
(25:55):
The founding generation, whenthey hear Supreme Court, they'd
be like, which one are youtalking about?
And what's who has the uhauthority in it?
Because uh the Virginia SupremeCourt and the U.S.
Supreme Court were both SupremeCourts.
It's that they dealt withdifferent things.
But something like the 14thAmendment basically made the US
(26:16):
Supreme Court quote unquote morepowerful than the state Supreme
Court's.
I mean, it's all slow drift tomore federal centralized
authoritarianism.
It has been for a long time.
Yeah, like you said, like withina very few years after the
Constitution was ratified, soand people like to use as my you
(26:38):
can't say this guy's can't sayhis name, you can get canceled
for it, but John C.
Calhoun is known for saying, youknow, he's always tied up with
slavery in the South, but hemade he he's kind of he was a
big proponent of uh It's afterdark, you don't get canceled on
after dark episodes.
SPEAKER_03 (26:54):
So let it fly, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (26:56):
He's quoted as saying, like, the Constitution
only serves those who are out ofpower.
That's it.
And he said that in the 1830s or40s.
He's like, the constitutiondoesn't mean anything to those
that are in power, it's alwaysgoing to be used by the
opposition who are out of power,who are gonna say you can't do
this, you can't do that.
It's not in the constitution.
This is unconstitutional yourbehavior, those that are in
power.
(27:16):
But once you get power, youthrow it out the book, you th
you throw it out the window.
The Democrats would be doing theexact same thing if they won the
election.
And no one argues that.
I don't think anyone I don'tthink that's even debatable.
I want my side to win, and youthrow the book.
SPEAKER_03 (27:31):
Well, I don't know.
That's not I feel like there'stimes where, like, for example,
this bringing the National Guardin, they're invoking the
whatever that the act thatWoodrow Wilson passed.
Well, I guess that is that theconstitution?
I guess technically not.
SPEAKER_04 (27:52):
A strict constructionist would say that
was unconstitutional.
It was passed by a progressive.
He was a progressive president.
That was yeah, it's just a justbecause a law passes doesn't
make it constitutional.
Right.
And a strict constructionistwould say a law that's
unconstitutional is no law.
Like income tax, like peoplethat don't pay income taxes
(28:15):
because they're like, it's not aconstitutional law.
SPEAKER_03 (28:17):
So you think somebody could come in and say,
like, this isn't constitutional,sending the National Guard to a
city regardless of the precedentset by Woodrow Wilson, so we're
not letting you do it.
SPEAKER_04 (28:31):
I think it would be more the underlying is the
actual was the nationalizing ofthe guard in the first place,
the constitutional thing.
You'd have to kind of like Ithink you have to walk back a
few more steps to get to the endthat the the mean the ends that
you want to get to.
Which will never happen.
SPEAKER_03 (28:46):
No.
SPEAKER_04 (28:47):
That's why we should just say it's unconstitutional,
you can keep saying, like, well,we have this rule in 1916, we
have a precedent in the CivilWar.
We have which I mean it's likethey're gonna find enough things
to back it up one way or theother.
SPEAKER_03 (28:58):
Dude, that's why Thomas Jefferson was dead on
when he said the constitutionshould change every generation.
SPEAKER_04 (29:06):
Or amendments shouldn't be that difficult.
It's too hard to amend thething.
Yeah.
75% wait, three three-fourths ofthe states?
Never gonna happen.
What would you suggest?
SPEAKER_03 (29:23):
Could you imagine those clowns trying to rewrite
the constitution right now?
There would be some nonsense inthere, man.
SPEAKER_04 (29:38):
I don't know who'd be more ridiculous.
I mean lobbyists would write theconstitution.
SPEAKER_03 (29:43):
It'd be a m I guess it would be a mess.
SPEAKER_04 (29:45):
Corporate interest corporate interest would write
it.
Military industrial complexinterest would write it.
It's not gonna come from peoplethat are virtuous and
principled.
SPEAKER_03 (29:56):
Well, is there anyone?
Is anyone virtuous or principledanymore?
In the country.
No.
I'm pretty do you think you'reprincipal?
SPEAKER_04 (30:06):
I mean for some for the most might try to be, you
know, but I'm not perfect.
Yeah.
I I was late to this podcast, sothat were you?
SPEAKER_03 (30:15):
I didn't know that.
There you go, fans.
I mean, we just wanted to go onemergency podcast, try to figure
out what's going on here.
How how could this app possiblybe going on and being allowed to
happen?
And it sounds like it's allthanks to our buddies.
George Washington, although hetalked the talk and walked the
walk.
(30:35):
He said to himself, you knowwhat?
He this this the whiskeyrebellion may be the first money
talks bullshit walks scenario inthe country.
After dark.
It's up there.
SPEAKER_04 (30:48):
It's up.
That's a good point.
For both sides.
Both sides could have been like,they both could have used that
phrase.
Like as like Washington's troopsand trooper walking up.
It's like, remember, boys,money, money talks, bullshit
walks.
Technically, they were walkingout to Western Pennsylvania, so
maybe they were doing thebullshit.
(31:08):
No.
Yeah, they were 100% doing thebullshit, dude.
SPEAKER_03 (31:11):
The money was talking and the bullshit was
walking.
That is idiot.
That's all that the the farmers,that's maybe that's all that
they were saying.
You know, they're like, hey, youknow, you guys got to pay your
taxes.
And there's like money talksbullshit walks.
Get the hell out of here.
If you're sitting thinking aboutit, just think about the boys
over in Pennsylvania orPittsburgh area, right?
(31:35):
Just trying to make trying tomake a buck.
The government's taking theirmoney.
They say, no way.
Similar to the Boston Tea Party.
SPEAKER_04 (31:47):
Ever hear of it?
But it wasn't happening in NewEngland, so.
SPEAKER_03 (31:50):
Yeah, I guess if yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (31:51):
And then it happened in New England.
We hear all about it.
SPEAKER_03 (31:54):
Yeah, I guess if they could grow barley in New
England, it would have been adifferent situation, huh?
Yep.
So they so they're over thereminding their own business, then
in comes George Washington andthe boys marching to the tune of
money talks bullshit walks.
They're walking their bullshitafter dark.
And sets the precedent.
(32:15):
Sets the precedence for the next250 years.
SPEAKER_04 (32:20):
And now nobody has money because the 33 trillion in
debt.
SPEAKER_03 (32:24):
So everyone's doing bullshit.
And then here comes WoodrowWilson scared that the army's
too small, so what does he do?
He takes all the state'sresources, defense resources,
and puts it into the federalgovernment.
Yep.
And that's where we're at.
Isn't it lovely?
(32:45):
I guess.
SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
So next time you see your National Guardsmen, give
him a salute.
I guess yeah.
Just not your state flag.
He won't want that.
Did we gotta tell him about afew other things?
SPEAKER_03 (33:00):
Yeah, I think we got a couple things coming up.
We're getting a couple uhsoftballs handed to us here with
some uh some some entertainmentcoming out where we we'll be
able to cover it hopefully andand discuss it on the uh on the
podcast.
SPEAKER_04 (33:15):
Do we want to we don't want to really we don't
want to overpromise and underdeliver like we have all year,
but no um but I think we can askour fans to go on a journey with
us to watch some of this contentthat's coming out.
SPEAKER_03 (33:28):
Yep.
So the first thing that we foundthis week, Ken Burns, uh famous
documentarian, I guess.
Is that what you would considerhim?
A historic documentary and oneof John's favorites, I would
say.
Nope.
Well, you've watched them.
I watched the Civil War.
That was good.
He is doing a I don't know howmany parts series documentary on
(33:51):
the American Revolution.
Which six-part documentary onthe American Revolution?
12 hours.
12 hours of pure entertainment.
Probably not commercial free, orI would have said that.
Uh, what's it airing on?
Is it airing on PBS?
PBS is hawking it.
PBS is haulking it pretty good.
Um, and he's doing a tour rightnow.
(34:12):
He was in he was in thePhiladelphia area last night,
and I was gonna go, but I didn'thave anyone to go with.
Um, I didn't really know what toexpect either, so I didn't I
didn't.
Well, he's gonna be out therelater.
Oh, really?
Yeah, that's why I send you allthose dates.
So, what John and I werethinking would be fun is we
might have an episode beforehandwhere we put together a series
(34:33):
of prop bets that we might do uhfor the for the um for the fans
to follow along with as they'rewatching it themselves, um, and
for us to track them.
And you know, John was talkingabout doing an episode after
each episode, but I didn't wantto overcommit to that, so I
think maybe we just recapped inone nailing history episode.
(34:53):
The whole documentary?
SPEAKER_04 (34:55):
Well, the prop bets.
Oh, the prop bets, yeah.
Should we tell give our fans atleast a teaser as to what why
prop bets?
Like which ones?
Well, why we did the first one.
Yeah, go ahead.
Oh, yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what so I was right, I wascoming back from work, Matt and
I were texting, and he sent methis link to this to this
(35:17):
documentary.
And I just first thought of myhead was you know, couldusco
gonna get shout is is to do'sCachusco gonna get a shout out.
And my first thought withouteven thinking, I texted him, I
said, I bet you they don't I betyou he doesn't mention Cachusco.
And I get I'll put 10 bucks onthat.
I'll put money on that.
I'll put money on that.
SPEAKER_03 (35:36):
I put 10 bucks and a jar of Cachusco mustard, so we
got a little bit of a side betgoing.
Real money.
We know money talks bullshitwalks, so I'm hoping I'm not
walking on bullshit after this.
SPEAKER_04 (35:50):
A jar of Cachusco on the line.
Is Hamilton on the$10 bill?
SPEAKER_03 (35:56):
Yeah, I'm an idiot.
SPEAKER_04 (35:58):
He wanted to like replace him with like Susan B.
Anthony at some point or somelady at one point.
SPEAKER_03 (36:02):
See, they're gonna come out with a Trump dollar
coin.
That guy is insufferable, man.
Oh my god.
Drives me c crazy.
This is what we fought against.
Um, so yeah, so that's one aprop, like so.
We're thinking there's a coupleof things that were like
over-under.
What episode do they starttalking about?
(36:22):
Slavery.
Um first episode.
SPEAKER_04 (36:27):
I think it won't mess up, it'll be about he well,
you can that's not well, that'shis style, too.
He always talks about all thesedifferent groups.
SPEAKER_03 (36:34):
And but yeah.
Couple over-unders, couple likeis will Benedict Arnold be uh
mentioned as a complex figure orsomething.
Complex figure.
Yeah, something like that.
So could be fun.
We'll put the we'll get thosetogether.
Um, hopefully, we can get thosetogether and we'll talk about
that.
SPEAKER_04 (36:51):
But then a real you guys too, our fans too, our
fans.
Yeah.
Dick Pepperfield.
Dick doing Dick, we need yourhelp on this one.
SPEAKER_03 (37:00):
Uh yeah, and you know, I think I think our fans
are well educated enough in thetime period with the card thing
that we did to be able to kindof put together some.
I think Deborah Sampson will themet with Deborah Sam will the
Deborah Sampson story bementioned.
Deborah Sampson, I think.
SPEAKER_04 (37:17):
Uh uh Merciotis Warren, she got a shot out in
the interview he did with uhTheo Vaughn.
He already shouted her out.
SPEAKER_03 (37:24):
One of my really well now queens.
Well na your queen.
Yeah.
Um the uh she was the one whowrote the history of the
American Revolution.
She wrote the history, yeah.
Um, and then a perfect queen foryou, I would say.
She is like your queen.
Like, you know how like you say,like, my queen, like, you know.
(37:46):
I feel like if you guys kneweach other, yeah.
You should be like, what are youdoing?
This is a republic, this is afederal republic.
And then um, yeah, so if youfans, if you want to put in on
any of that, that would begreat.
I I will say, there's anarticle, great article in what
was that PBS?
The PBS put an article togetherwhere our buddy uh big Ken was
(38:07):
in our favorite place in thecountry.
Boy.
I wonder if he wanted to leaveas quickly as we did.
Ken was in Williamsburg,Colonial Williamsburg, doing a
couple talks.
And I said to John, I'm like,well, I guess they rolled out
the red carpet for him.
I mean, they're talking aboutlike, oh, the blacksmith was
inviting him over and wanted himto see so-and-so, and all the
(38:29):
reenactors were like greetinghim and doing this and that.
And I was that son of a bitchafter dark.
SPEAKER_04 (38:36):
I would have loved this to attract him with a
camera because he would havedefinitely walked up to a locked
door and somebody would havebeen like, it's Ken Burns, go by
the door, go with the Burgesses.
I know Burgesses are closed atfive on the nose.
SPEAKER_03 (38:47):
Dude, I bet they would have kept the door.
I bet if Ken Burns was walkingup the street, they would have
that woman wouldn't have takenher flag inside.
Do you imagine if they did,though?
That would be great.
SPEAKER_04 (38:57):
He went to the courthouse.
I think he would have been theguy who would have been as
snippy with Ken Burns askingabout slate killing slaves.
SPEAKER_03 (39:04):
Yeah, you think they uh like you made a good point.
You think they they had to coverup their tattoos and their and
their nose rings for when KenBurns showed up in the kitchen?
What a ridiculous place in theworld.
Did he have peanut soup?
That's all we I really careabout.
Dude, I that would be sweet.
Like there was, oh man, now thatI'm thinking about it.
(39:25):
For like a lot of money, youcould have met Ken Burns at this
thing last night.
I would have well, I would haveloved to meet him and ask him
what he thought of ColonialWilliamsburg, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (39:36):
Like we were like, alright, Ken.
Answer me.
After dark, of course.
After dark.
It's after dark.
What did you think ofWilliamsburg?
SPEAKER_03 (39:45):
Oh my god.
And that movie.
The after dark answer would begreat, dude.
He probably hates it there.
SPEAKER_04 (39:53):
It's so tacky.
It's so tacky.
He's like, I've like made I he'slike, I make I make pictures
come to life.
I have to like write a yeah,12-hour documentary with
freaking pictures from the CivilWar.
I and I got this crap I'mwalking through.
Yeah.
Crap after dark.
Shite.
SPEAKER_03 (40:13):
Yeah.
Oh man.
I just that was funny that hewas at Williamsburg.
I thought that was funny.
And then um the other huge,humongous bomb that dropped
today.
It was just uh completely justmade my week.
You know, I was down this week,you know, just going through the
motions at work, and I getsomething on I don't know if I
(40:35):
saw it on Twitter or what.
I think it might have seen it onTwitter.
New doc new drama series.
Is that what you want to say?
SPEAKER_04 (40:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (40:47):
Of one of the great the great heroes of mental
health in this country.
SPEAKER_04 (40:54):
He just did so much to draw attention to it.
SPEAKER_03 (40:59):
They are coming out.
Netflix is releasing a four-partseries, a dramatization of a
friend of the show, Mr.
Charles Guteau, and his path topath to being hung.
Path to the uh what do they callit?
(41:20):
What do you get hung on?
Um the gallows.
His path is his gun.
His trip to the gallows.
It's called Death by Lightning,which I don't I'd love to know
what that means.
Because he wasn't electrocuted.
The electric chair did not existat that time.
But like, did he get struck bylightning, which made him go
crazy?
Is that what they're gonna did?
(41:41):
If you guys remember, CharlesGouteau was the gem of a human
who thought he had a job with uhuh James Garfield's in James
Garfield's cabinet, followed himaround, everyone hated him, then
he shot him and blame and thensaid that I didn't kill him.
The doctors who let him getinfected are the ones who killed
(42:02):
him.
SPEAKER_04 (42:03):
He's not he's not wrong.
He would have made a greatlawyer.
I mean, if he was half sane.
SPEAKER_03 (42:09):
And there's it's a it's a studded cast.
SPEAKER_04 (42:11):
The the trailer had real people in it.
SPEAKER_03 (42:14):
The trailer had a great soundtrack to it, and boy
oh boy, am I excited for thatone.
SPEAKER_04 (42:22):
Michael Shannon plays President James Garfield,
Nick Offerman is Chester Arthur.
Was Chester Arthur his uh vicepresident, I guess?
This is his vice president,yeah.
Then yeah, the guy McFadden,yeah, McFadden in his the role
of his career playing theCharles J.
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
Gateau.
The trailer makes it seem likean epic, like that it's all
very, you know, intense and it'sa it's a good story, but there's
a great little snippet, which isphenomenal.
Our boy Charles Gateau issomewhere in an office and he's
getting ejected.
He's getting kicked out andasking for a job repeatedly.
(43:02):
His response was I'm a taxpayer,eat shit.
After dark.
I hope this is the most afterdark show of all time.
SPEAKER_04 (43:14):
So it's based off a book called Destiny of the
Republic (43:17):
A Tale of Madness, Medicine, and the Murder of a
President.
Came out in 2011.
Oh man, I can't wait.
I can't wait, dude.
I can't wait.
That's amazing.
I can't believe it.
Shout him out.
SPEAKER_03 (43:30):
We could tweet him out.
I did I texted our a couple ofour fans and our um big fan of
this show, Dick Pepperfield, ofcourse, always with the witty
responses.
I said I said the I sent thelink and said, This is gonna be
lit, fam, to which Mr.
Dick Pepperfield said, Did youtwo will this into existence?
Which I like to think we did.
SPEAKER_04 (43:52):
No, I think our fans in Kenya did.
I think our Kenyan fans came toLA and were obviously causing
enough ruckus to make thishappen for us.
SPEAKER_03 (44:03):
It's gonna be great.
I can't wait, dude.
So we'll be talking about thatfor sure on an episode.
Maybe we'll have to do afour-part episode on that.
I don't know.
I don't know how we're gonna doit.
We we failed so many timesreviewing things that I'm a
little worried about it.
Like our revolution.
(44:24):
We can't do a revolution.
It's gonna be the hottest thingof the it's gonna be the hottest
thing of the year.
SPEAKER_04 (44:31):
We're very pumped.
SPEAKER_03 (44:32):
Did you tell Max?
Did you tell Max G about it?
We'll watch with him.
SPEAKER_04 (44:36):
I'll be off insist, he watches it.
SPEAKER_03 (44:38):
Oh man, I can't wait.
So fans, you we got a couplesoftballs thrown our thrown our
way, I think, coming up.
So hopefully it gets us back onthe mics.
I know everybody missed us.
SPEAKER_04 (44:50):
Nick Offerman is Jester Arthur.
Wow.
That's gonna be something.
SPEAKER_03 (45:01):
I can't wait.
I hope they paint Mr.
Gateau as the hero of the film.
SPEAKER_04 (45:07):
Like, just not crazy.
I mean, I feel like they could,well, I could see an angle
definitely being like a mentalillness and like tying it into
like modern day and like being alittle bit more.
Do you think so?
A little more uh a little lessheavy-handed as they probably
were back in the day.
SPEAKER_03 (45:20):
You think they're gonna hit up they're you think
they're gonna hit up the um thethe prayer that or the song that
he sang or whatever?
SPEAKER_04 (45:26):
I was thinking that.
I was like, are they gonna havethat's a good prop bed show?
How many times does he ask for ajob?
I'm going to the Lordy.
SPEAKER_03 (45:44):
He sure was, which why was that not the title of
the doc of the show?
I'm going to the Lordy, I'm soglad.
I am going to the Lordy, I am soglad.
I am going to the Lordy.
Glory hallelujah.
Glory hallelujah.
I am going to the Lordy.
Wasn't there another thing wherehe fell in love with like one of
(46:05):
the media people or whatever?
I mean, he was just he was thebest.
He was absurd.
SPEAKER_04 (46:12):
Yeah.
I mean, he had a pretty he waspretty far out ahead of everyone
else that we covered in thatepisode.
I know.
John Shrink was kind of funnytoo, but not as funny.
SPEAKER_03 (46:23):
Yeah, what was his deal?
SPEAKER_04 (46:25):
He tried to kill Roosevelt.
SPEAKER_03 (46:27):
Yeah, well, Strank was like he was you.
That's why it was right.
He was like a constitutionalist,right?
And that he was all upsetbecause he was running for
founding fathers.
SPEAKER_04 (46:37):
Yeah, it was.
SPEAKER_03 (46:38):
You can't run for another term because the
founding father said no.
unknown (46:43):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (46:43):
That was his big thing.
Yeah.
And he was like, wasn't TeduzKosciusko like his like favorite
person?
SPEAKER_04 (46:49):
Yeah, he dropped his name, yeah.
And like a list of names.
Yeah.
That's why they're on theticket.
My ticket, my voting ticket.
SPEAKER_03 (46:58):
Well, fans, we're back on the mic.
This was uh, you know, an afterdark episode, so it was
unscripted.
I we probably rambled.
We're probably not going to getuh, I don't know.
I'm a little I don't know.
I think we did okay.
We got off topic a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (47:16):
It's fine.
We were most of the episode wassetting the topic.
It's fine.
It's after dark.
It's true.
Maybe we'll do a couple moreafter dark episodes.
The whole episode was reallyabout telling people about these
new shows.
Especially coming on guitau.
Do we need to tell our fans thatwe're not doing the state thing,
or is that implied?
Are we not?
(47:36):
I still have my notes.
SPEAKER_03 (47:38):
Emily M texted me.
She's like, thank God you guysstopped that episode.
It was one.
The Delaware one.
When I like cut it off, it waslike, yeah, we bombed it.
Remember that?
You don't remember how I didthat episode?
SPEAKER_04 (47:55):
Yeah, it wasn't our best work.
SPEAKER_03 (47:58):
Wait, you actually we actually released it?
Yes.
I released like the first half.
How did we what did we talkabout that?
I was like, oh, I gotta like Igotta release this gem.
I gotta I gotta get this partout.
I forget.
I forget what all happenedthere.
Then we were gonna do then thelast thing we were going to um
(48:20):
review our trip to um down to uhVirginia where we went to um
God.
We should do that still.
Um Charlottesville.
Yeah.
We went to um why can't I thinkof uh why can't I think of these
names?
Monticello.
(48:40):
Monticello, Montpellier, andHighland.
Highland question mark?
Yeah, there's a little bit ofthere's some good stories in
there.
It's good to be back.
Sure is.
Sure is.
I don't know when the next one'sgonna be.
Maybe I don't know, fans, let usknow.
You guys want to hear a recap ofour trip down to
Charlottesville?
Charlottesville?
Yes.
You want to hear a recap of thejust let us know.
(49:03):
I still have the notesavailable, and maybe it would be
more fun to just rehash it outsix weeks later.
I don't know.
Did I see what the bad day inhistory for today is?
What day is it today?
October 10th?
If it was like September 11th,it'd be funny.
Like talk about a bad day atwork.
SPEAKER_04 (49:25):
We bought a new car on September 11th.
SPEAKER_03 (49:34):
Bad day in history for October what day is it
today?
The 11th 10th.
10th.
The Reign of Terror.
October 10th, 1793.
The reign of terror, man used inthe name of reason.
In the aftermath of the FrenchRevolution, a violent
retribution known as the Reignof Terror was launched against
(49:56):
perceived enemies of the newstate, including God.
Thousands were sent to theguillotine guillotine while the
Almighty was officiallybanished.
Reason to be France's new deity,revolutionary leader Joseph
Fouchet.
Fouchet decreed on October 10th,1793, the only sexual worse
worship would be that of theuniverse of universal morality.
(50:19):
Fouché even ordered the supremebeing out of the graveyards with
the Christian promise ofresurrection replaced at their
entrances with the atheisticmessage, death is the eternal
sleep.
Yikes.
Shit was popping off after dark.
Shit was popping off in Francein the 1700s, dude.
SPEAKER_04 (50:37):
A few Republican marriages, and yeah.
They tie people together andthey stab them and throw them in
this river scene.
That was their marriage?
They called it a repo quoteRepublican marriage.
They were just like murderingcouples.
They were just like murderingpeople.
It's just men and women.
I don't know if they werenecessarily together, but yeah,
they would tie them up, stabthem, and then like throw them
(51:00):
in the river water.
Because they were religious?
Either religious or they werejust deemed as enemies.
Which it wasn't just religiouspeople, it was not just the
clergy, it was aristocracy.
Eventually the more moderates.
The Jardin.
That would be interesting, butobviously it's French.
(51:23):
I don't know how interestingit'd be.
A lot of stuff happened in theFrench Revolution.
A lot of crazy stuff.
unknown (51:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (51:31):
A lot of gate a lot of gateau types.
You think so?
Came out the woodwork.
Oh, for sure.
They restarted their calendarfor like day zero and they
called it like some crazy name.
It was literally one of those,yeah, it was those types of
things.
Yeah.
That's why they've got Napoleon.
Try to recenter it a little bit.
SPEAKER_03 (51:51):
Your boy.
Your boy.
I always thought Napoleon waslike universally known as a bad
person, but like it's he's ahe's kind of a complicated
figure, as Benedict Arnoldprobably is being considered in
Ken Bern's documentary.
SPEAKER_04 (52:05):
Well, he had the Napoleonic Code, which was like
educating education.
There was like a lot of stuff hedid that actually kind of Yeah,
he was a tyrant, but I don'tthink he's of the sort of like
Mao or Stalin or Hitler.
Yeah, he was moving in on otherpeople, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (52:22):
Yeah, like if you took out the world domination
aspect of his reign, like maybehe was meant well.
Our boy Tadoos saw right throughit though.
He did.
Avril uh judge of character, ourboy Todoos shoes go.
SPEAKER_04 (52:42):
Mr.
SPEAKER_03 (52:43):
Mustard.
You got anything else to leavethe fans with, John?
Nope.
We missed it.
I need a new catchphrase.
You're gonna get a newcatchphrase?
Need one.
We need one for after dark.
Is it just money talks bullshitwalks?
Remember it, fans?
You'll have to get ChatGPT outon that one.
(53:03):
Alright, fans.
Hope you enjoyed it.
Keep your freedoms close atheart.
They're going away.
Thanks to our buddy in the WhiteHouse.
And Woodrow Wilson and AlexanderHamilton.
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