138: Road Trip Through The Founders’ Backyards

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SPEAKER_01 (00:29):
Hey fans.
Uh Matt here.
Um just wanted to give you guysa bit of an update.
We did get access back to ourGoogle account.
So thank you, Google.

(00:50):
Um sorry for all the bad wordsfor last week's episode, but um
that was pretty hot.
So um, but right after thatlong, you know, I don't know how
long it was, 40-minute rantabout Google and how they
screwed us, um, John and I satdown and finally got onto tape,

(01:14):
I guess, um, our talk about atrip that we made um that
August.
Um, if you remember from lastweek, we lost our notes um from
when we had talked about this aweek or so after we went there.
Um, so we just kind of went offthe top of our heads.

(01:35):
And um, after recording this andgetting access back to our
Google account, um, I was ableto go back through and see if we
had missed anything um we thatwe didn't touch on um from this
talk.
And we pretty much hiteverything that uh we had
written down.
So I guess our memories aren'tso bad.
Three months later, we're stillstill hitting the high notes.

(01:58):
So uh hope you guys enjoy um aswe start this.
I say, do you want to talk thisfor about this for 20 minutes?
And then we proceeded to talkabout the trip for 90 minutes.
So I'm hoping I can edit it downa little bit um for you guys,
but uh uh hope you guys enjoy.

(02:22):
John, I mean, should we try tojust you know, we're we're 37
minutes in.
You want to try to go 20 minutesto talk about our trip?
Yeah, I don't we can't go inthat much more detail.
We're we're we're we're cooked,as you as you say.
We're cooked.
Well, it's yeah, I don'tremember much, fans.

(02:43):
We know the highlights.
I remember John and Mr.
R took my car for a joyridewhile I was taking a nap.
That's the main thing that Iremember from the whole trip.

SPEAKER_04 (02:55):
We went to get food.
Did you ask?
Did you ask?
What were we gonna do?

SPEAKER_01 (03:03):
Uber?
I drove.
Sorry, I was tired after drivingfor ten hours.

SPEAKER_02 (03:11):
It's okay.

SPEAKER_04 (03:16):
I'm not asking for forgiveness.

SPEAKER_03 (03:21):
Came back all in one piece.

SPEAKER_04 (03:26):
How to drive.
Nice.

SPEAKER_02 (03:28):
How many miles?
Good.

SPEAKER_01 (03:31):
Uh-huh.
I mean, I just think I drove.
I don't know.
Whatever.
And then I I thought maybe I waslike, am I gonna have it?
I'm like, ah, well, maybe youknow, they'll offer to drive
like to D D later on in the inthe trip, you know.
Oh, you know, but no.
Only when you wanted to driveyou would drive.

(03:53):
Never when it was aninconvenience.
Wow, and we Ubered.
Once.
We were out the other night, thethe second night we were out,
and I had to drive home.
That's okay.
I guess I'll always drive.
That's fine.

SPEAKER_03 (04:08):
Now I know your true feelings.
I'll offer to drive.

SPEAKER_01 (04:15):
That's pretty much what I remember from the trip.

SPEAKER_03 (04:25):
There was no television in the Airbnb.
It smelled like Who booked theAirbnb for one?
Did it?

SPEAKER_01 (04:38):
Alright.
So the fans we went down to Idon't know how much we talked
about this with the fans becauseit's been so long, but we went
down to Charlottesville,Virginia for like I guess we
could call it like a minihistoric tri a miniature
historical triangle, a minitriangle of sorts.

(05:03):
Yeah.
Definitely three points.
That's what makes up a triangle.
It's more it would be like moreof a scalene triangle, right?
Where like two are real close.
No, is that a scalene?
Whatever, like two points arereally close and then one
point's really far away.
Yeah.
Scalene business.

(05:23):
I don't think that's what it is,but I think a scalene triangle
is just where all the lengthsare different.
No.

SPEAKER_03 (05:31):
But anyway, we went on what was the impetus?
Anyway, we went to What's thatword mean?
What does that word mean?
Why do we decide to go?
What was the did I put it out?
Did you throw it out there?

SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
No, I think at one point I said that I wanted to go
to um I wanted to see MountVernon.
I don't know what made me thinkof it.
So I said, hey, I want to go toMount Vernon, and then you said,
Well, I've been there.
I want to go to Monticello, andthen I said, Okay, that's good,
because I just found out thatMount Vernon's under
construction and like part ofit's closed off.

SPEAKER_03 (06:05):
So Yeah, so it came about pretty quickly.
So we decided on doingMonticello, which is in
Charlottesville, Virginia, anduh it just so happens that Mon
isosceles triangle.

SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
A scaling triangle is where all sides are unequal,
and an isosceles triangle iswhere two sides are the same and
one is different.
So like the one is short and thetwo are long.
Got it.

SPEAKER_03 (06:32):
I've said word I have not heard in a long time.

SPEAKER_01 (06:35):
Yeah.
I said it before I looked it up.
Impressed.
The same.

SPEAKER_03 (06:40):
Sorry for stealing your own.

SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
So we decided to go, so in a funk.

SPEAKER_03 (06:47):
I knew that would get you in a funk.
It was it definitely put you.
Now I know it put you in a funk.
I had my guess, I had myassumptions put.
So we went to so we decidedlet's go to Monticello.
You know, we had this show.

SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
We'll have Matt Drive, and then it'll be fine,
because then we could just goand take it for a joyro whenever
we want.

SPEAKER_03 (07:05):
I needed you.
What did you get your bootysleep?
You were tired.
I understood you drove a lot.
You I got it.
I wasn't like, oh, why are youfalling asleep, dude?
We got it here.
You were driving.

SPEAKER_01 (07:14):
Alright, so we went.
Alright, it's fine.
It's fine.
It's over.
It's been two months.
Three months.
Three months already.
Wow.
Two months.
Yeah, no three months.
So um, yeah, so we went, so weso yeah, so we went to so we
went to three presidential.
So we John wanted to seeMonticello, which is where
Thomas Jefferson lived.

(07:36):
And then we kind of did a littlebit more research and we found
out that um I don't know, youprobably knew it, but they're
James Monroe was right up thestreet because they were them
boys.
Yeah.
And then James Madison was likein a little bit further.
So they all kind of and we kindof, you know, they're all
Virginia boys, but they all kindof did live near each other.
Hop, skip, and a jump away fromeach other.

(07:58):
Uh Jefferson and Jefferson andMonroe much closer.
They were like, you know, ineach in each other's backyards.
Yeah.
Um, and then James Madison'slike a 40-minute drive away.
So we went to do that.
Um stayed in Charlottesville,which is the home of UVA, which
is a pretty cool little town.

SPEAKER_03 (08:18):
Which is what was founded by Thomas Jefferson, and
he could literally see it.
UVA was.

SPEAKER_01 (08:23):
Yeah.
Nice little town.
Well, when we we we stopped whenwe got there, we stopped to get
a nice little bite to eat um inthe uh some outdoor seating, and
we got a nice view of a homelessgentleman sleeping in his own
vomit.
That was nice, nice littletouch.
Dave Matthews played there alot.

SPEAKER_03 (08:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
Yeah.
Uh yeah.
Dave Matthews was from there.
Dave Matthews band's from there,so it's pretty cool.
It's a cool little town.
I mean, it was they had like theroad the main streets basically
is blocked off from vehiclevehicular traffic, so you can
kind of walk around their shopsand imagine what was going on.
If I was to give a review of thetown, we'll just get the
Charlesville part of it overwith.

(09:06):
The breweries were trash.
All the microbreweries, like,they didn't have a great
selection of beer.
They tasted fine, I guess,except for the bar that Dave
Matthews either worked at or gotstarted at.
Either got started at musicallyor worked there.
I am under the impression thathe worked there, but the people

(09:27):
who currently work there thinkthat he performed there and
never worked there.
So I don't know.
But that bar was pretty cool.
It was like dark, kind of likeold school as far as like just
kind of like a pub feel.
The food was good from what Iremember.
And then the best part wasupstairs.
There was a pool table.
There were pool tables.
Oh, the main dr the main drawthat I liked it as soon as we

(09:50):
got there is it was the only barthat had uh a domestic beer, a
non-craft trash beer.
And because like I don't mindcraft beer or whatever, but the
whole thing was it was August.
So like it was I wanted arefreshing beer at the time, and
like they didn't have many ofthose.
Like they didn't have like andnone of these places had like a
pilsner or like an American ale,right?

(10:12):
Or American lager, it was alllike Pulses, salads.
Pulches are good for stuff, butyeah, the taste.
I guess I'm not a big, yeah,yeah.
I mean, they're bet yeah,they're fine, but like you gotta
have listen.
I'm not a I don't I don't own, Idon't run a craft brewery, but
you gotta start with a pilsnerand an American lager, and then
from that build from there.

SPEAKER_03 (10:33):
And take your do your own distinct take on them.
Do your take on an Americanlager.
But but I even I even thinkthough.
You mean just have Budweiser?

SPEAKER_01 (10:43):
Just have Budweiser.
Craft Budweiser.
Well, if you're a craft beer,you have but like I'm sure
people know how to makeBudweiser at this point or know
how to make um Coors Banquet oryou know, Miller Light or
something.
Get one of each of those downand then build up from there.
I mean, whatever.
But this place where DaveMatthews had is called Miller's.

(11:04):
They had Paps Blue Ribbon andthey were actually like one of
the biggest sellers of plat PapsBlue Ribbon in the country.
Um they've like bragged aboutthat a lot in this upstairs
where the pool tables were.
And I can only imagine becauseit's like again, it's the only
place where you can get like adomestic beer.
So like that's all that anybodywas drinking in there.
I felt like you had a window.

SPEAKER_03 (11:23):
Everybody was drinking PB to get up there.
We were sitting at the bardownstairs for a while because
the upstairs room didn't opentill eight.
And then once it opened, crowdsflooded in.

SPEAKER_01 (11:32):
I mean, it was it was slammed pretty quickly, I
feel like it was it was aninteresting crowd to say the
least, up there, but they playedgood tunes.
You could smoke up there, whichwas awesome.
I haven't been in a bar whereyou could smoke in in a long,
long time.
Um, and the bet I think thefunniest part was they had
signs.
So you have everyone was andeverybody was smoking in there.

(11:54):
Like you definitely just gothere to smoke and drink PBR.
Like, I don't like they weresmoking cigars, cigarettes,
whatever, but there were somethere were signs all over that
said no vaping, which like I isabsurd to me.
I mean, I can only imagine theyjust don't want that type of
person at a bar like this, whichis awesome.
What what scent is that?

(12:15):
Blueberry?

SPEAKER_03 (12:16):
Get the hell out of here.

SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
Blue raspberry, super chill.
So, anyway, the review, I thinkthat's really it.
We went to a really bad craftbrewery on Friday night that was
terrible.
Like the beer wasn't really thebeer was fine, but again, it
didn't have a great selection.
The pizza.
I couldn't the pizza.
So, like there was yeah, it wasjust like the food sucked.

(12:42):
It wasn't a food place.
Like this is a craft brewerythat they only do beer, but they
have to offer food, probably.
But we were starving.
I was starving.

SPEAKER_03 (12:51):
It's fair to say three young, fairly fair-toned
guys walk in.
I think they kind of had theycalled our number was we walked
in.
They were fair-toned?
Like the politics of the place.
I think we got I think we gotprofiled.
Like they didn't want us there.
They didn't want us there.
You didn't want us ordered, youdidn't want me to order that

(13:12):
pizza, remember?

SPEAKER_01 (13:14):
Well, I knew that.
You couldn't read the room.
I knew right away.
Like, I'm like, this isn't aplace to get food.
They had a little style pizzathing.
I certainly wasn't going toorder it, but John ordered it,
and the guy did give him anattitude, and he I saw him do
it.
He just took it and put it intoit's like frozen or whatever,

(13:35):
and he put it into a pizza oven.
Do you remember what kind ofwhat what we got?
Was it like margarita or like itwasn't?
It wasn't but like it wasn'tlike just it was like they were
trying to sell, like, I don'tknow.
Threw it into like one of thoselike pizza ovens that you can
get for your house, and uh itwas disgusting.
It was the worst.
It was I worse than I don't knowif I've ever had bad pizza.

(13:56):
I mean, we've had some bad pizzain our hometown, John, but this
pizza was like borderlineinedible, inedible.

SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
It was like Elios.

SPEAKER_01 (14:07):
Worse.
I like Elios.
It was worse.
It was so bad.
I mean, I don't like Elios, butI'll eat Elios.
The stuff was horrible.
And then the pretzel, and yougot a pretzel too.
No dipping, no mustard, nothing,just like shitty, shitty
pretzel.
I wish I knew what that placewas called.
I mean, I guess we shouldn'ttalk shit on it, but I'll say
this much.
My only recommendation is ifanybody goes on the social, I

(14:30):
don't know what this place iscalled.
Don't leave the downtown to goanywhere to drink.
For one.
Um, and two, go to Miller's.
Just don't even waste your timeanywhere else.
Just go to Miller's.
Food's good downstairs.
And then there was there wasgood music we left before the
live music started, but I thinkthere's live music every day
there.

(14:50):
There's music outside.

SPEAKER_03 (14:51):
Outside, there's like busking, yeah, people out
in the street.

SPEAKER_01 (14:54):
It's cool.
It's a cool town.
I don't think we did it right.
Honestly, just go to Miller's.
Okay, so that's it forCharlottesville.
I don't know.
Do you have anything else tosay?
To just Charlottesville.
UVA was cool.
We learned about those LakerAllen Poe.

SPEAKER_03 (15:09):
We learned about the app bozo going there for a
semester.

SPEAKER_01 (15:12):
Oh, Laker Allen Poe went there.
Um, this is the the SecretSociety's Z Boys and the Imps.
The Imps.
And how about Otto War Out ofOtto Warmbeer, the uh famed butt
head who got who got busted inNorth Korea.

SPEAKER_03 (15:30):
The story goes he was put up by it by the Z Boys,
right?

SPEAKER_01 (15:36):
Yeah, so like this the there's like these secret
society.
It sounds a very that poetsociety.
I don't know, I don't know ifit's lame.
And they like I don't know, whenwe look it up, they're like, oh,
they do what they van they dovandalism and uh charity or
something, right?

SPEAKER_03 (15:54):
No, it's like it's like quirky mixchief and like
charity, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:59):
And like charity, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:00):
So that's prank each other.
Pranks and charity.

SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
But if you guys remember, I don't know if you
guys remember Otto Wombier wasthe guy who went to North Korea
and got caught stealingpropaganda from the hotel he was
staying at, and uh then he wentto a he got sentenced to hard
labor, and then um like a yearlater, a year a year later,

(16:24):
North Korea's like, okay, youcan have him back now, and they
send him back in a coma and hedied like two days later.
Not funny, but interestingstory.

SPEAKER_03 (16:32):
He was a student, he was a freshman at the University
of Virginia, and he apparentlyis was saying that one of these
clubs, one of these societiesput him up to it.
Basically, like go ahead andlike get in.
Like as a pratiation.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:48):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (16:48):
To steal a sign in North Korea.

SPEAKER_01 (16:50):
But then, like, but then the Z Boys were like, uh,
yeah, we don't need nah.

unknown (16:54):
We don't know that guy.

SPEAKER_03 (16:57):
I don't know.
The whole society thing looks sostrange.
It definitely looked like hisdad could have been one.
It's one of these, like, they'renot fraternities, but it was
like, yeah, secret society'slike, oh, my father was a Z-boy
and my great-grandfather was oneof these things.

SPEAKER_01 (17:10):
You'll have to talk to see if we can find a somebody
to see if it's actually cool ornot.
You know, I'd be curious, likethe modern student, if it was if
it's actually like cool to be inone of them.
Or if it's like equivalent tolike the kids who have
lightsaber fights out on thequad at night in on college

(17:31):
campuses.

SPEAKER_03 (17:32):
I just had a lightsaber fight last week.
For Halloween.

SPEAKER_02 (17:36):
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (17:40):
Oh cool.
So like John said, Edgar AllanPoe.
They were really obsessed withEdgar Allan Poe having gone
there.
Like there's Edgar Allan Poeswag all over the bookstore.
It's weird.

SPEAKER_03 (17:55):
Bookstore was nice.
Fine.
Yeah, the guy's a bum.
I don't know why all thesecities seem to love this guy,
but he seemed like flamed out ofeverything he did in his life.
I mean, I guess he wrote TheRaven.
Maybe some of his stories werehalf decent, but that other one
that was that other one that hewrote was good.

SPEAKER_01 (18:14):
The heartbeating one.
What was that one?

SPEAKER_03 (18:16):
Telltale Heart.

SPEAKER_01 (18:18):
Yeah.

unknown (18:19):
That was a good one.

SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
So anyway, so the so the main attraction was going to
Monticello Um Highlands, whichis where James Monroe lives, and
then where did James Madisonlive?
Montpelier.
Montpelier.

SPEAKER_03 (18:38):
So we basically did it.
So we got there on the Friday,and then we basically on
Saturday we did it.
We did two.
So we did Monticello in themorning.
Uh we were there at 9 a.m.
part of the first tour group.
And they kind of the way they dothis is you drive in, it's like
a theme park.
Seriously, the parking.
I think that was my first words.

(18:58):
Uh there was parking everywhere,and it wasn't very crowded when
we got there.
Um, so we got out, go throughlike metal detectors, and it's a
whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 (19:09):
And then you go it is, it does, yeah.
It's a little bit more officialthan just like showing up to uh
you know, Yorktown or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (19:17):
So you go through, you walk up these stairs to get
picked up by a bus, which willthen basically take you up to
the house itself and to thegrounds.
You can snap a picture of alife-size statue with Thomas
Jefferson, which I did.
Uh, we got in, and then yeah,you get up there.

SPEAKER_01 (19:33):
You know what's crazy about the picture that I
took of John?
Um, he stood next to thisstatue, and his stance was
exactly the same as how ThomasJefferson is standing.
Like your right foot was point,like the his feet were planted
exactly the same, and it wasjust a coincidence.

SPEAKER_03 (19:52):
Like he's living through me.

SPEAKER_01 (19:54):
Maybe.
Or maybe it says that ThomasJefferson was a bozo.

SPEAKER_03 (20:03):
Um so we get up there.

SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
Wame.
Were you trying to find a way toadd that into the show to just
learn about 6-7?

SPEAKER_03 (20:15):
I'm not that cool.

unknown (20:17):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (20:18):
That was pathetic.

SPEAKER_03 (20:23):
Uh so you get up there to the top of the hill,
and they have like cardboardcave cutouts of the stump of
slaves working there.
Weren't there like what?

SPEAKER_04 (20:34):
No.
That's not true.

SPEAKER_03 (20:40):
No, they drive up.
There was like I don't know.
No, silhouette things, weren'tthere?

SPEAKER_04 (20:49):
No.
Crap.

SPEAKER_01 (20:52):
Maybe.
Maybe you were just like havinga nightmare as you were driving
up picturing it.
I mean, unless I missed it, Idefinitely don't remember that
at all.

SPEAKER_03 (21:06):
Anyway, you get to the top, you see one building,
and they basically start, thenthe circus, then the you know
the ride show begins.
They basically circle you intothese different like tour
groups.
And you're like, what time areyou here?
Oh, 9 a.m., 9 15?
Okay, go here.
They shovel you in with thesedifferent groups.
So we went in, and as you'rewalking up, you're getting the
whole backstory from the tourguide, and basically you come to

(21:28):
find out that Thomas Jeffersonwanted it to look kind of
modest, so that's why he didn'twant it to be multiple stories
high.
So this is fans.

SPEAKER_01 (21:38):
This is the They started as as soon as we got in
there, they started makingThomas Jefferson seem like a
fing idiot.

SPEAKER_03 (21:47):
Yeah.
They laid it, they laid it downpretty hard.

SPEAKER_01 (21:51):
Like literally, the first things out of their mouth
are basically like, yeah, youknow Thomas Jefferson, he wrote
the Declaration of Independence,but he sure didn't live up to
his ideals, did he?
Now, with all men are created.
Like, as like literally, I thinkit might have been pre-recorded
on what they played in the buson the way up there.
They were so quick to tell youthat he was a f head

(22:14):
immediately.

SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
Even though he designed the whole house.
He was an amateur architect.
I think they made a point to saythat he was an amateur architect
because he designed the homehimself.

SPEAKER_01 (22:25):
Right, yeah.
He like designed it like threedifferent times.
It went through a coupleiterations, but but anyway,
John, talk about the theone-story thing.

SPEAKER_03 (22:33):
It was the look you remember the house.
They basically said he they hewanted it to look more modest,
and he didn't want to guessmaybe give the impression of
like royalty, like kind ofbeing, I guess, garish and
overly kind of verbose.
Is that the right word?
Basically, just like kind oflook crazy, but we're we gauge

(22:55):
like we just looked at this thishouse, it's massive.
He don't want to be like amansion base.
It's like this is the largestone-story house I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
And it's on the top of a f mountain in like the most
beautiful country of likestaring.
In like the blue mountain milesand miles and miles.

SPEAKER_03 (23:12):
I just want it to be modest.
Modest take.

SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
So the way that he designed it was like the windows
of the second floor are likeonly at the ground level.
So like the windows of the houselike span both, they're all one
unit of windows, but they spanfrom the first floor to like the
bottom portion of the secondfloor.
So you get the natural light onthe second floor, but it

(23:40):
doesn't.
Um but you can't see if youcan't tell from the outside.

unknown (23:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:48):
Yeah.
So we go in, which was prettycool.
Yeah.
So we go in, you get taken intolike a f uh uh an entry walkway.
Foyer foyer where it's kind ofhe met guests, and it's kind of
the most like you know,captivating part of the room.
Is this the one?

SPEAKER_01 (24:02):
Is this was this the place where he had all the Lewis
and Clark stuff?
Is that the Lewis and Clarkstuff tour?

SPEAKER_03 (24:07):
Yep, all the Lewis and Clark stuff.
We can just kind of go over thequick highlights in this.
So in this one room, you haddifferent kind of things to his
expl to the explorations, Lewisand Clark, because he was the
president when that happened.
Uh one cool thing in that roomwas basically uh, you know,
obviously there's no calendarsback then.
He basically had this weight andpulley system going on in the

(24:28):
corner where was it every day ofthe week week?
Yeah, it was like a grandfatherclock.
Yeah, and every day the theweight would drop and tell you
what day of the week it was.
That was cool.
But the trippiest thing in thiswhole room was this like serious
Alice in Wonderland mirror thathe had.

SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
We were the only ones that looked at it too.
It was wild.
I was like walking, it was likeuh it was like convex, it was
like convex, I guess, but it waslike I've never looked into a
mirror like this in my life.
Yeah, it was like really trippy,and uh I don't even remember now
like what was trippy about it,but I remember looking at it.
It's like whoa, I was like, Ibrought you guys over.

(25:05):
I'm like, you're looking intothis mirror, and then I think
there was somebody in the tourguys who was like, yeah, that
was a gift or something.
I'm like, what's up with it?
They're like, it's like lookingin the back of a spoon.
I'm like, I never looked into afing spoon like that before in
my life.

SPEAKER_03 (25:21):
Yeah, so that was crazy, and then from there on we
kind of just proceeded to MacMatt just getting kind of pushed
out of a web out of the way,looking trying to look at book
collections and other things.

SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
Yeah, he had like they have like his book like so
his book collection got donatedto the Library of Congress after
the Library of Congress burneddown during the War of 1812.
Yeah, so he donated his bookcollection, but they still had a
couple original parts of hisbook, like Don Quixote.
I think they had the originalDon Quixote, his original Don
Quixote.
So we were walking through andwe were able to see the book.

(25:53):
Um, and I was like been overlooking at it, and then the most
gigantic person I've ever spinaround pushed me out of the way.
So we have photo evidence.
We have photo evidence fans ifyou want to see that too.
We all and uh we also there wasa there was a baby crying the
whole time.
That was really nice, a nicetouch with like a family that

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was either like they were eitherMexican or Native American.
I couldn't really tell.
Not to be, not that I'm care,but I thought they were Native
American the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 (26:27):
And I think I guess you say that in kind of like a
why were you why are you herekind of what are you getting?

SPEAKER_01 (26:32):
No, I was just thinking about is like I wonder
if they take the tour andeverybody's talking about
slavery and how they've beentreated so poorly and no one and
like Al, like, oh no men'screated all men aren't created
equal, but the slavery, but theydon't say like, oh yeah, all men
are created equal, except wepushed all the Indians out of
their own land and like shovedthem into one corner of the
country and whatever.
Like so, like I I it was a veryawkward as I thought that they

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were Native Americans.
Okay, I was it was very awkwardthat I felt like they were like
these f people.
We can't catch a brick.

SPEAKER_03 (27:06):
Now we know why we've been disabled.
Tiptoeing around, tiptoeingaround.
It's after dark, dude.
We were really just walkingstomping through it.
So um Saw where he died on July4th, 1826.
Yes.

unknown (27:25):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (27:26):
He was basically upright.
Right?
His bed was weird.
His bed was basically cut outinto a wall.
And they said he wanted moreroom.
And every morning he returnedwhen he got woke up, he put his
feet in ice water, right?
I don't remember that part.
He had ice, like ice water.

SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
There was something with his bed.
His bed was super short becausethey he sat up to sleep, I
think.

SPEAKER_03 (27:51):
You have experience with that.
Could you would you recommendwould you recommend it?

SPEAKER_01 (27:57):
No.
No.
No.
Um, and then what else?
I got it's kind of his boots.
Oh, oh, John, now let's notforget.
You tried to you pulled a theold classic John move at a
museum and tried to outsmart thepoor guy.

SPEAKER_03 (28:20):
I don't recall exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (28:21):
So if you fans remember, if you fans remember,
if you're fan, if you fans, ifyou remember, um when we went to
the Teduz Kusciusko museum, um,we discussed a certain fur coat.
Well, is it a fur coat?
Is that what it is?
Or yes.
Is that what it is?
That's right.
Fur coat that was given to TeduzKusciusko from Prince Alexander.

SPEAKER_03 (28:45):
Yeah, uh Emperor Alexander uh Emperor Paul before
Alexander Russian Emperor.

SPEAKER_01 (28:51):
The they were they basically like get out of the
country, here's some money,here's a fur coat, leave from
Poland.
Well, after he was after he wascaptured in the Polish
Revolution, whatever.
That was gifted from TaduzKusciusko to Thomas Jefferson,
and Thomas Jefferson is wearingthat in his presidential
portrait, or that's that's oneof the famous ones, and he's

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wearing it in the JeffersonMemorial.

SPEAKER_03 (29:18):
He's wearing it as he's sitting on the thing, you
sure?
Let me see.

SPEAKER_01 (29:26):
In any case, maybe it's not wearing it.
So he's talking, and as soon asJohn um, as soon as as soon as
like, you know, we're there, andthe whole time John's like
they're not gonna say anythingabout Taduz Kushusko.
Because as you remember, theywere we we understand that
Thomas Jefferson and TaduzKushusko were were friendly at
the time, and Thomas Jeffersonhelped him get out of the

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country and blah blah.
So we thought maybe they wouldhave talked to him about it, but
of course they didn't.
So, you know, when they at thepoint in the at the point in the
uh tour when they were reallylaying it on about how much of a
shit had Thomas.
Jefferson is when they starttalking about how he died with
no money and he died in debt andhis family had to take care of
it because he was a bum.

(30:09):
Um, you know, because of youknow, for whatever reason, um,
they had to auction off hishouse, Monticello, and I forget
how much it got sold for prettycheap, but of course, John had
to bring up I said what aboutthe fur coat coat where'd it go?
And the guide gave me some hejust said, like, oh yeah, it

(30:32):
must have gotten auctioned offwith the other stuff or
something.
Like he didn't they didn't knowwhere it is.

SPEAKER_03 (30:36):
He didn't know, he never even heard of the guy.
Even though there was a picturethere was a picture of Tedusco
Chusco in the dining area in thedining room.

SPEAKER_01 (30:45):
There was, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (30:46):
Tiny little picture.

SPEAKER_01 (30:48):
Tiny little picture, not called out in the tour.
And then as we were leaving,when we finished the tour, we
were going outside.
Um, John brought up brought himup again.
And I forget what exactly it wasabout the freeing of the slaves.

SPEAKER_03 (31:01):
That's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, because Kaciusko had it inhis will that he specifically
wanted the money that was due tohim from his fighting in the
American Revolution, his backpay.
He basically wanted that moneyto go for free Thomas Shreve.
Specifically his slaves, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
And the guy gave you some nonsense saying, Oh, well,
you know, uh families and youknow, it's it's hard to I forget
what your question was exactly,but the guy's like, yeah, you
know, some families and youknow, executing will, yeah,
yeah.
Because wasn't there like therewas a bunch of contention with
his will anyway, or something?

SPEAKER_03 (31:34):
Cachusco's will.

SPEAKER_01 (31:36):
Oh, with Cachusko, yeah, right, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 (31:38):
That kind of lingered until like the 1830s.

SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
He didn't have it anyway.
The tour guide was fine, but hedidn't have an answer for that.

SPEAKER_03 (31:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (31:44):
And then um, and then like you get out, so then
you you go through the house andthen you leave into the
backyard, which was like for howmuch did we pay per ticket?

SPEAKER_03 (31:54):
40 something was that 40 something?

SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
Something like that.
It was expensive.
For us to pay forty-some dollarsto go see some guy's house, this
backyard was maintained likeabsolute ass.
Do you remember that?
Yeah, it was all muddied.
It was all muddy, there was itwasn't nice grass.
I couldn't believe how bad howpoorly the lawn was.

SPEAKER_03 (32:19):
Well, maybe they wanted it to look like Thomas
Jefferson in his last days orwhen his family took over the
took over the shop.
Maybe everything all the debtorscome, all the creditors coming
out of the woodwork and don'thave enough time to sell.

SPEAKER_01 (32:32):
They preserved the house, which uh is important and
stuff, but uh would have beennice to see a nice, nicely cut.

SPEAKER_03 (32:37):
I think the lasting impression they want you to walk
away from Monticello with isthinking the guy didn't take
care of things, and they did avery good job of that.
Like his family, his progeny, ishis you know.
Yeah.
So that's we go through there.
We went walked around the slavequarter.
They had not the slave quarter.

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Did they have that?

SPEAKER_01 (32:59):
They had the say they had the slave quarters,
they had a weird bench that waslike, oh, sit here and think
about how bad slavery was.

SPEAKER_04 (33:10):
Makes you wonder, huh?
What did we do?
They did.
Remember that?
I have a picture of me sittingon that thing.

SPEAKER_03 (33:19):
And what was the one, oh, but that we did learn
the one story with Slip.
The one story that because wethought we were gonna get beat
over the head with Sally Hemingsstuff, because that's a big
thing.
Like we did, we did, but wecould have gotten beaten over
the head more than the otherthing.

SPEAKER_01 (33:30):
Again, it was like one of the first things they
brought up, like like when whenyou first meet and you get put
into your groups, the lady, theintro lady, not even our tour
guy, but the intro lady, she'slike, Yeah, you know, you'll see
Tomonatello, then you'll seewhere Sally Hemmings live.
Yeah.
Anyway, she was a big deal.

SPEAKER_03 (33:45):
So, what was it though with her brother?
That was about the you knowwhat, you can try to get away
from it, but I think our fansneed to know this.

SPEAKER_01 (33:52):
This is sad.
This is that story.
Do you remember the story, or doyou want me to remind you?
Remind me, I'll come in as I.
So the story goes, SallyHemmings came to Sally Hemmings
came when when when ThomasJefferson was assigned to be in
France for whatever, was he likethe ambassador of France or

(34:13):
whatever they called it backthen?
Yeah, he was over there.
Sally Hemings went with him, andSally Hemings being a slave and
going to France, somehow you'reautomatically free.

SPEAKER_03 (34:23):
Well, France didn't allow slavery.

SPEAKER_01 (34:25):
France didn't allow slavery because she was playing
as I'm free because I'm shecould have left and he would
have had, yeah, and like shewouldn't have been able to do
anything about it.
She told Thomas Jefferson, likeI and Sally, so by backstory, if
nobody knows Sally Hemings wasThomas Jefferson's uh slave who
he later developed a relationwith.
Obviously, he never got married,but he had children with.

(34:48):
Um, so she at this point they'relike because Thomas Jefferson's
wife died like shortly beforethe declaration of independence
was written.

SPEAKER_03 (34:56):
Around the 1770s.
Yeah, it was sometime.

SPEAKER_01 (34:58):
He lived like while all this nonsense was going on,
his wife died.
So after his wife died, hestarted like shacking up with
this woman who was apparentlyvery hot for that as so many
ways that they could explain it.
Um so she went to so she went toFrance with him, and she told
him, like, listen, I'll stayyour slave, but in order to in

(35:20):
order for me to remain yourslave, I want you to free my
brother who's your slave, whowas his personal chef.

SPEAKER_03 (35:28):
Yep.
But then Jefferson was payingfor him to get, he was basically
also covering the cost oftraining James.

SPEAKER_01 (35:38):
He was getting trained to be a chef.
I forget.
He was being he was beingtrained in France to be cut to
for being a chef so he could bea better chef.
Thomas Jefferson's just he'sjust tossing money all over the
place.
Ah, yeah, learn how to be afriend.
Like he doesn't care about moneyat this point, which you later
learn he died broke.
So then this brother learned howto be a chef.

(35:58):
Then Sally Heming said, I willnot leave you if you free my
brother who's your chef.
So then Thomas Jefferson said,Fine, I will I will free your
brother who's my chef, but heneeds to find somebody to
replace him to be my chef, myslave chef, which was agreed to.
Turns out this guy chose hisbrother to replace him to be his

(36:21):
chef.
So, which was accepted.
So now, I mean, one of them gotfreed, but the brother took
over, and then like after somecircumstances, I think it's John
Hemmings, I think John's rightis the one that got freed.
He wound up in in Baltimore fora little bit, and then he ended

(36:42):
up committing suicide like fiveyears after he was freed.
Because uh, yeah, I mean, it'slike probably life was pretty
pretty tough for these people ifthey were freed.

SPEAKER_03 (36:52):
Yeah.
I mean, it wasn't just a jobwaiting for you, I wouldn't I
would imagine.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (36:58):
Which is sad.
But like that's a crazy story.
It's like, oh okay, yeah, sure,I'll free him, but give me your
other brother.
Well, like that really solvedit.

SPEAKER_03 (37:06):
I guess for me, it wasn't that it was like I was
like, it was just the wholestory of the freedom and this
and that, and it's like, well,this person's given freedom.
Here's a very intimate story ofsomebody's life who got it, and
within five years they'd killedthemselves after acquiring their
freedom.
It's just kind of tragic.
And it's like it for me, it kindof you wanted to question, okay.
Well, obviously slavery isabhorrent.

(37:28):
We're gonna get no.
I'm saying you can get right.
I'm just saying, like I don'twant to get I listen.
I I have my personal emailaddress linked.
The case is pending.
I know the case is pending.

SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
I have my personal, I now have my personal email
address linked.
I should have.
I didn't have time.
All right, so we gotta watch it.
But I thought it was.
John, to your point, let me tryto word it.
Let me try to word it better ofwhat you're trying to say.
Is you you think of all thesestories of of slaves being
freed, and they're always likegreat stories.

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Like, oh, he was freed and hislife was better.
And this was one circumstancewhere it happened and it was a
sad outcome.
And like maybe he would havebeen, I mean, you know, I don't
want to say he would have beenbetter off, but like, you know,
it's just a sad it's a negative,it's it's a negative story based
on being freed.
And they told the entire story,like in the tour.

(38:23):
I think we got the story, yeah,and they left out that part.
We had to read that ourselves.

SPEAKER_03 (38:28):
Because we I would have someone would have asked a
question, maybe not us, butsomebody online why did he why
did he do that if he was free?
I would have been the firstthing.
He's free.

SPEAKER_01 (38:38):
You're leaving yourself up to a question of
like, and then how do theyanswer that question?
Because it was just as bad,because of the same reason of
like being a free black mandoesn't necessarily mean that
you're given the same freedomsas everybody else, even though
Thomas Jefferson.
I've I wish we I remembered thef they kept saying the same
phrase over and over again.

(38:59):
Like they didn't live up to hisown principles, they didn't live
up to his ideals, yeah.
So Thomas Jefferson didn't liveup to his ideals.
Not everyone is created, youknow, that all men are created
equal.
So and they could have tied itin that way, but so let's get
off the subject of slavery.
But yeah, so we did the samething.

SPEAKER_03 (39:14):
Oh, we're going to Madison's house.
What are you talking about?
We went to two other plantationhomes.

SPEAKER_01 (39:19):
We can't do that.
Okay, right.
Listen, I know, but let's getoff of the Jefferson.
So then just like so we're donethat, then we we leave and we're
trying to find we we walk, wedon't take the bus back down to
the to the um to the visitorcenter.
We actually walk down because wewanted to walk by the the grave

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site of Thomas Jefferson.
Yep.
And we walked by it and theywere having a funeral for for
someone of his family.
Somehow, if you have if you havelineage, distant relative, you
can still be buried in this uhhis thing.
But we went to look at ThomasJefferson, and there was this
like random dude like in there,just like answering questions.
We're like, oh, do you workhere?

(40:02):
He's like, nah, nah.
I'm just uh helping out here uhwith the funeral.
And we're like, okay.
I'm like, well, and then we'relike asking him questions, and
like he didn't have any answers.
It was pretty funny.
I don't remember the details ofthat.
It was kind of like it was aghost.

SPEAKER_03 (40:16):
And the pillar that was there to him was erected in
the obelisk.
The obelisk.
That wasn't that was put therein the 1880s.
I think Chester Arthur mighthave been the president when
that was built, because theoriginal headstone had basically
been jacked over the years.
Yeah, people were taking piecesof it as and the last remaining
piece that they're aware of isin St.
Louis now.

(40:37):
It was ship sent out to St.
Louis.
I think so.
Because that's where theexpedition, the Lewis and Clark
expedition, had kicked off.
That was interesting.
Yeah, he's like his mother'sthere, his other relations are
there.
That was nice.

SPEAKER_01 (40:52):
Yeah, like if his best friend was there, that was
kind of nice.
It was a nice little story.
Something like his his bestfriend like died, and he's like,
I want to be buried next to him.
I think that was like somethingthat I remember.

SPEAKER_07 (41:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (41:06):
We got down, we kept walking.
It wasn't very far.
I mean, we could have walked upto the city.
No, it wasn't far.

SPEAKER_01 (41:11):
Yeah, but so we go back to the visitor center, we
get back down, and we had therewas a museum that was pretty
cool, some like old surveyingequipment that was cool.
Um, they actually had we've welearned that he every day he
wrote down the weather everysingle the weather in the
morning and the weather in theafternoon at Monticello every

(41:33):
single day.
I was like, what the hell?
He didn't have it, like hedidn't have anything else better
to do.
Every single day he wrote inthat thing.
Remember that?

SPEAKER_03 (41:41):
I remember I had you you in stitches too at one
point.
We talked about this before, andlike you couldn't remember, I'm
sure.
It was something you and Sethwere you and Mr.
were both laughing.
I don't remember.
But also, some guy came up atme.
We're we were looking at becausethey had an iteration of like
the different iterations.
Yeah, they had like theMonticello one or two.

(42:02):
Some guy came up at me.
I don't know what he was talkinglike.

SPEAKER_01 (42:05):
I was just talking to you, and then he started
Yeah, he he butt he bed buttonsin like just a typical like
historical museum experience.
Yeah, a little bit chiming in.
You just you you you just stickto the authority figures to
attack them, you know.
You don't you don't attack theuh clubs patrons?
Um then that was pretty I mean Idon't know, I don't remember

(42:28):
much else from that.
Um then we went to eat dinner oreat lunch at some like old
school tavern down the hill fromfrom him.
What was that place called?

SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
Michi.

SPEAKER_01 (42:42):
Michi.

SPEAKER_03 (42:43):
Michi Tavern, is that what it is like it was
yeah, it was diner stuff.
It was uh a la carte.
Is it a la carte?

SPEAKER_01 (42:49):
It was cool.
It wasn't a la carte, it waslike it was like a buffet.
And you could so John and I havea very bad experience, and some
people might may know of a of abuffet buffet that we went to on
a casino cruise in when we were18, where it was it was uh
marketed as a buffet, so we wentand got one plate full of stuff,
and then we went to get more.
They said, Oh, this is just abuffet, it's not an

(43:10):
all-you-can-eat buffet.
So we went starving, and um we Iwas very worried that we were
gonna have the same situationhere because when you walk in,
it's very old school.
You go in, you wait in line,they serve you, but they kept
saying, like, we'll serve likeyou get your first and then any
seconds we'll serve you.
But I didn't trust that.
So I loaded my plate up with allthe entrees.

(43:31):
It was like chicken, it wasmostly chicken, right?

SPEAKER_03 (43:34):
Fried chicken was their big thing.
Uh what else?
I'm looking at the pictureshere.
I thought the sides were goodtoo.

SPEAKER_01 (43:42):
Yeah, it was like southern, it was just like
southern food.

SPEAKER_03 (43:45):
Pork.
Pulled pork.
Pulled pork that was reallygood.
Oh, yeah, did they?
Biscuits, beets, looks like.
I think those were good.
Gestacha soup is gross.
Cornbread, green beans, yeah.
Super southern.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
Yeah, so it was southern food.
It was it was good, but so Iwent through and then, you know,
then of course, so we sit down,and um then of course they do
have like waiters walking aroundsaying, like, hey, you know,
they they greet you.
So you find a seat, and then thewaiters come up and they say,
like, hey, you know, enjoy andyou know, anything you need, let
me know.
I'll get you seconds orwhatever.
So, of course, this poor old manwas working there, and uh, an

(44:24):
old guy, it was like the middleof the day on a Saturday, and
this old picture, he's on thehe's on the website.
I remember I saw him.
He's like they get him wearing alame ass outfit.
Like it's like one of those jobsthat you feel bad for anybody
having, kind of, you know, likewow, that sucks.
So there's this old guy, andJohn just got to the assumption
because of how shitty the jobwas that nobody that old would

(44:46):
possibly actually work there.
So if he's that old, he must owehe must own the place.
Like, I mean, you're a glorifiedbus boy, you're not even a
waiter.
A bus boy might be run a favorevery so often.
So the guy walking around inJohn Nas and oh, so do you own
the place?

SPEAKER_02 (45:04):
I did.

SPEAKER_03 (45:06):
Then immediately his demeanor was like, he was kind
of happy beforehand, and then hewas like, No, no.
I wish.
I wish sure.
I'd be in a much better spot inmy life if I did.
So I was pretty bad.
So I told myself that he wasretired, he doesn't need to
worry about money, he's stilljust doing this for fun.
Kind of like a wah wah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:27):
But then I didn't he say like I've been working here
for like 30 years or something.

SPEAKER_03 (45:32):
Maybe he's got a good retirement.

SPEAKER_01 (45:33):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I I started working here when Iwas a junior in high school and
I just never left.

SPEAKER_03 (45:42):
Here he is.
His picture's on the websitetoo.
So I mean that's why I wasthinking like, oh, this guy's
probably owns the place.
He just so he must have like anapproach.
Yeah, anyway.
He's um tells the kids all heknows.

SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
It was good.
So then So it was good, it wasfine.
We were killing time because wethought we had to make we had an
appointment at Highlands, atimed appointment, but we
thought we had to be there at acertain time, like a time
ticket.
Two o'clock, I believe.
So we were kind of in a rust, sowe we hung around for a little
bit and then we we scooted up toum James Matt no James Monrose

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Highland, which is like up thestreet from Monticello.
You want to take this one?

unknown (46:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:34):
So you remember the scene?
We're driving.
It's very beautiful, very scenicarea, Blue Ridge Mountains.

SPEAKER_01 (46:41):
And first of all, let me let me let me hold on,
sorry, I don't I don't mean tointerrupt because I know I do
that a lot.
John when going into it, Johnkept I just want to let the fans
know.
Going into it, John kept saying,I think we're gonna be blown
away by Highlands.
I think Highlands is gonna bethe the sneaker, the sneaky, the
sneaker.
Yeah, like the sneaky highlight.
This is gonna be the highlight.

(47:02):
Yeah, we think you thinkMonticello, but no, it's gonna
be it's gonna be Highlands.
So go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 (47:06):
Yeah, so I was so this Highlands, it was being
managed by the College ofWilliam and Mary.
First warning sign.
But anyway, so we go fromMichi's Tavern, and it was about
a 10-minute drive and some kindof backwinding roads.
Really nice.
Uh drive, there's a signage asyou come as you come in, and you

(47:29):
can see past the sign, it'sprobably like a mile of like
wooded trees and overhang, likethis trees kind of guiding your
way.
And so it really builds thisanticipation.
You're you know, driving up thislong, you know, driveway, and
eventually you can see it.

SPEAKER_01 (47:44):
I think we kept saying that we had a didn't we
keep making some illusion, like,oh, uh, I think they got a
little bit of a wee weemeasuring contest here or
something, or isn't it?
Wasn't there something somethingabout like, oh, James Monroe is
a little bit of a like he waskind of had a bigger wee wee
because of it?
He was like he was the big thebig dick in town, basically.

SPEAKER_03 (48:04):
Yeah, like it was given this impression that like
because it was kind of hiddentoo, it was off the main road.
And higher in elevation thanthan Monticello.
Higher in elevation.
I'm looking on the Google mapsright here.
I see it, James MonroseHighland, make your reservation
today.
So it's like it's a big secret,you know.
It's like almost it looks likethis, you know, it's a must-see
thing, right?
So we turn off the road andwe're winding up this you know

(48:28):
long way, and we get there, weget towards a parking lot, and
we still can't see a home.
And I look off to my right and Imake a joke to Matt and Mr.
R, and I say, Ha, what if thatlike sh it's a shed?
It's a it's literally a shed.
I'm like, ha ha ha, what ifthat's the house right there?
And they're like, ah, that'd bereally funny, ha ha ha.
Anyway, so we park and they havea visitor center, a gift shop,

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really, with the with a desk.
But you walk in, there is athere's a lady there.

SPEAKER_01 (48:57):
Remember her?
Yeah, she was like, Oh, she wasyeah, she was like she didn't
give us a tip.

SPEAKER_03 (49:03):
She kind of was like, seemed like badass.
She was like, no nonsense.
Yeah, she was just like a tough,yeah, just like cool, pretty,
kind of pretty.
Pretty.
We were like, Yeah, we're herefor a two o'clock.
She's kind of like, I don'tcare.
Do what you want to do, do whatyou want.

SPEAKER_01 (49:18):
And then John's like, John's like, yeah, I
bought tickets online whatever.
They're like, what?
Like it was immediate weirdvibes from this place.

SPEAKER_03 (49:26):
She's like, You can go whenever you want.
And we were like, that wasanother tell.
Just go ahead.
It's really not a big deal.
And that was foreshadowing.
So we go.

SPEAKER_01 (49:38):
So we walk out.
Well, first of all, though, soshe gives us a map.
She's like, You want a map?
You want you want me to showlike you want a map?
We got a tour going.
Oh, there was a tour scheduledor something.
So she's like, You can go outnow, and like, you know, the
tour meets here or whatever.
Okay.
So she's like, You here's a map.
I'll show you around.
So, like, she takes the map out,and there's the house, and
there's a map of the wholeplace, and there's a house shown

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there.
And then she's like, Okay, soyou want to go here, make this
left, and then you can walkright up to the to the home.
Um, here you'll you'll pass bythis.
This is a tree that uh from fromMonroe, the Monroe era, the
original from the Monroe era,which immediately I was like, so
what?

SPEAKER_03 (50:19):
This is here, yeah.
This is we're came for hishouse.
We came for his house.

SPEAKER_01 (50:22):
Yeah, okay.
Oh, so there's a tree that washere when he lived here.
Like, big deal, we're here forthe house.

SPEAKER_03 (50:28):
And so we're wandering, we see us there's
there's like a kind of amaze-looking thing we're walking
through.
There's a big statue of him, andwe make another big wee-wee joke
as we see his statue.
I get a picture next to it.
Um, he looks cool.
Like, no, nah.
He's like standing.
We're pretty excited at thispoint.
Yeah, we're really pumped.
Like, wow, this is cool.
The cool atmosphere, shrubbery,everything's kind of leading

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into something.
Great.
And so, like, we end up walking,we don't go straight to where we
didn't follow her direction.
We went the right, we went thewrong way.
We walked under like a tent,which like was like, oh, that
they must put weddings on heretoo.
Oh, cool.
Like, you can like see thehouse, and then you can have a
wedding here too.
All you can just block the wholeplace up.
That'd be awesome.
This place looks really sweet.

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Mind you, we still haven't seenthe house yet.
So we're walking under thistent.
We eventually come out the otherside.

SPEAKER_01 (51:16):
I don't remember that, but I think you're making
the no, there was a tent.

SPEAKER_03 (51:19):
There was a there was a there was a it was a tent.
And so we walk under that.
Whatever.
We come out the other side.

SPEAKER_01 (51:25):
There and there was no tent.

SPEAKER_03 (51:27):
Go ahead.
And then we see in front, sothere is a house, there is a
building, there is a yellowbuilding with uh what is this?

SPEAKER_01 (51:36):
Initially, my thought was this house doesn't
look like it's from the 1700s.

SPEAKER_03 (51:40):
The house that we saw looked earliest 1850s, you'd
say.
Yeah, early, absolute earliest.
So we see that, but behind itthere's some like white
structure, and that looked alittle older, but we weren't
sure what was going on.
We were a little confused.
And so in front of the yellowhouse, there was basically um a

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few trees, and basically these,you know, a couple a rectangle,
you'd say it's laid out like anarchaeology dig.

SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
Yeah, an archaeology dick.

SPEAKER_03 (52:12):
Like they're looking for something, and there's
basically a big pile of dirtthere, big pile of dirt, and
there's like a rectangle, like astone rectangle encasing it all
in, kind of like, and so you canwalk in there, and so meanwhile,
uh Mr.
R and I are kind of standing offon the side, and we're trying to
get R.
I'm lagging back.

SPEAKER_01 (52:31):
I'm lagging behind a little bit, I think.

SPEAKER_03 (52:34):
Matt's dragging a little bit, but he so Matt's
walking in this rectangle, and Iand Mr.
R, Mr.
R and I, we're like readingstarting to just read the
brochure.
We're and as I'm reading it, I'mlooking at Mr.
R, and he's like, I think we'rewe're both coming to a
conclusion that's like, wait aminute, what's going on here?
And then without fail, I look upand I just hear Matt, he's like,

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Wait, what?

SPEAKER_04 (52:59):
I'm like, what the f is this?

SPEAKER_03 (53:03):
So fans.
Spoiler alert, James Monroe'sHighland does not exist.
It burnt down in 1820, and theyhave an archaeological dig on
the site where they think itwas.

SPEAKER_01 (53:18):
Yeah, and they have it.
And like this was somethingrecently discovered.
So, like, ten years ago, wewould have gone there and we
would have thought that what thehouse that we were seeing.
The guest house was it?
The guest house.
The guest house.

SPEAKER_03 (53:31):
So the part that was in the structure we thought was
the house, but turns out thatwas a guest house that was a
later edition.
And then this yellow house fromthe 1850s looking house was
built by a whole differentfamily, not the Munrose.
The Munroes had sold out aftertheir house burnt down in the
1820s.

SPEAKER_01 (53:48):
No, I don't think so.
I think they sold the house andthe house burned down after they
sold it.
Oh I don't think it burned whilethey were in it.

SPEAKER_03 (53:54):
Oh.
It was in the 1820s, it burntdown in the 1820s.

SPEAKER_01 (53:58):
Yeah.
I think he moved out of therelike fairly soon after his
presidency.
Yeah.
Well, we wouldn't know more, butto fast forward a little bit,
then inside the house, they theymade the house into a museum.
Yeah.
And the museum, you learn jackshit about James Monroe's slave.

SPEAKER_03 (54:18):
Absolute nothing.
You found out that he ownedslaves.
That does come up.
That is mentioned.

SPEAKER_01 (54:24):
The slavery, it's slavery, it's so into slavery
for this, and um literallylearned very little about James.
Like, I I didn't went into itnot really knowing that much
about James Monroe.
And I think we left and wethought, I think I said to Tom,
like, I think I might know lessnow.

SPEAKER_03 (54:43):
We did learn, though, that James Madison liked
staying.
Apparently, James Madisonpreferred staying at James
Monroe.
He thought Monticello was alittle too snooty.

SPEAKER_01 (54:52):
Yeah, which was funny because Thomas Jefferson,
the amateur architect he is,must not have accomplished what
he was looking for.
They said it, they said itsomething.
They had the phrase, like youcould like he felt like he
could, you know, take his shoesoff more.
So like some phrase of like kickback more with Madison.

SPEAKER_03 (55:11):
So it's also funny because we'll get to where James
Madison was living.
It's interesting that he neededmaybe that's why he needed a
place to kind of kick back.
But anyway, so yeah, we'recruising around this museum, and
then we saw that there was thatquote, and there's like art,
there are some artifacts andthis, that, and the other, but I
learned that it's just sodumbfounded that we're at a
place that the house doesn'texist because the marketing I

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was so if you knew that thehouse burned down, nobody would
go to that fing place.

SPEAKER_01 (55:38):
Nobody would go.

SPEAKER_03 (55:40):
He actually has he has a proper museum dedicated to
him in Fredericksburg that theytook his law offices and they
made it into a James Monroemuseum.
And I think that is if you wantto learn about his life and all
the stuff he did, like that'sthe place to go.
If you want to get shisted outof$25 by College of William and
Mary.

SPEAKER_01 (55:59):
It was cheap.
It was cheap.

SPEAKER_03 (56:00):
When you're out seeing Monticello, obviously
you're not coming out here justto go to this place, it's
obviously going after theMonticello crowd and and and
riding those coattails.
So for sure.
Good on you, College of Williamand Mary.

SPEAKER_01 (56:12):
Which James Monroe probably did himself.
So did himself.
I mean, it sucked in there.
It sucked.
And then the best part.

SPEAKER_03 (56:20):
We walk out, so we need to catch a breath.
We have we walk out the frontdoor of this of the brand of the
yellow house, because that's Iguess the supposed to be the
official entrance.
We walk out, and we there's abench there on there's a bench,
you can sit down, and we justneed to take five.
We just need to you know catchour breath.
Because like we don't know, wejust walk through, we we feel
like we all got hoodwinked intothis thing.

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And we're sitting on this bench,and we at this point there is an
official tour going on, startingand with a total choot running
this thing.

SPEAKER_01 (56:51):
Like, like Americ would give uh the uh tour guide
from the American AmericanRevolution Museum like a run for
his money.

SPEAKER_03 (57:01):
So, how many were in the tour?
Probably like 10 people.

SPEAKER_01 (57:04):
There were a decent amount of people, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 (57:06):
Different ethnic different group.
I mean, I think there weredifferent different culture,
different they weren't allAmerican.
They were definitely like it wasan eclectic group.

SPEAKER_01 (57:14):
Well, like we were our initial plan was to go on
the tour.

SPEAKER_03 (57:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:18):
Like our initial plan was to go there, but then
we're like, all right, we'lljust we'll kill some time
beforehand.
So, but but by the time we're onthis on the porch, we're like,
we probably saw everything forone, and two, it's like I have
no interest in going on thistour.
There's nothing to tour.

SPEAKER_03 (57:32):
Yeah, right.
So we thought, and then we sawthat, and then this happened.
So we're sitting there, and thisthis young kid, he's what,
probably 25?
25.
Probably William.

SPEAKER_01 (57:42):
William and Mary's intern, probably a William and
Mary history student.
Intern here.
Yeah.
So we're sitting cut it,probably couldn't cut it at uh
Williamsburg.
They sent him over.
If you can't cut it atWilliamsburg, they sent you over
to get your earn your keep here.

SPEAKER_03 (57:59):
You gotta prove yourself.
It's proving ground.

SPEAKER_01 (58:01):
So we're sitting there all the time.
He went from hoeing the tobaccofields to giving tours of the
violin.

SPEAKER_03 (58:10):
So we're sitting here, and he's got 10 people,
and he's like starting his thingup.
So he's like, he's likebasically what it's one of these
like situations, like, okay,everyone, I want you to close
your eyes and take yourself.
Imagine it's 1820, and you'rehere at the home of James
Madison, and you're gonna see.
And so let's begin.

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We first walk to the door, andhe basically kind of looks like
a butler.
Imagine like an 1820s butler,like super properly dressed, has
like a certain strut and a walk.
So he basically does like anabout two-point, like a
three-point kick-up walk, likemilitary, like think of like
military dress turn sort ofthing.
John, you're not setting it upright.

SPEAKER_01 (58:51):
I don't know how to what sorry.
What he said was he's standingin front of in front of us, in
front of the entrance to thishouse that you may you must
think is the house of JamesMonroe.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (59:04):
That's right.

SPEAKER_01 (59:04):
And he asked the he asked the crowd, he says, he
says, well, hold on, let meknock on the door first to make
sure there's no private toursgoing on.
Yes.
And then and then he does theabout face turn and like fakes
out the whole so like the hesays that and the whole the the

(59:25):
the premise is the whole thetour the the people in the tour
are gonna assume that he's gonnago to the house, but instead he
about faces turns to thenothingness of the of the
archaeology, and then he go heproceeds to go knock knock
knock, anybody in here?
And walks in, and then he turnsto the crowd with like a

(59:46):
shoulder shrug, like this is it.

SPEAKER_03 (59:52):
As you can tell, the house is not here.
Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 (59:57):
I looked at the base for the$25.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:02):
They call that the old Jimmy M fake out.
I think some of the ladies inthe group were like, oh, this is
interesting.
I don't know.
I looked at faces and I waslike, was nobody pissed?
Like I tried looking aroundseeing like confusion.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:22):
I would have been so angry if we like waited for the
tour.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:27):
Waited like 40 minutes.
Yeah, we were there for sometime before they got to do got
to going with it.
It would have been hilarious,though.
I mean, that I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:38):
I would have definitely said something.
I just really know what my myvocal reaction would have been
if this is how we were told.
Hey, this bozo.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:53):
Pretty funny.
It was funny.
I mean pretty funny.
The guest house was kind ofmodeled, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:58):
There was the guest house.
I think the guest house wasoriginal.
They don't they're not reallysure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:07):
The guest house was original.
I got a picture of the donkey.
There's this little like stablehouse thing.
Yeah, there's like a donkey'sthe donkey sticking out.
It's so sad.
So sad.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:20):
The donkey looked so sad.
I don't know what it was doingthere.
Um, but this donkey, it just waslike looking at us, like, please
come kill me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:32):
Yep.
Looks like he had the same facefive years ago when this picture
was taken that I'm looking at.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:40):
So I mean that's that's Highland.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:43):
So then we proceeded to keep sending pictures back
and forth using ChatGPT of Mattbasically shrugging his
shoulders, like, oh, I guess I'mhere in Highland.
And like funny puns about howThomas Jefferson was making fun
of James Monroe as his houseburnt down, that kind of stuff.
You know, just it was like fun.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:01):
It opened, it was good we went because it it
brought some good, some goodbanter, but then that's so we
left Highland.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:08):
We were like dumbfounded.
The gift shop was great, boughta couple of drinks, hightailed
out of there.
Yeah, it's true, yeah.
And then we spent our night,that's when we had spent the
night in Chancellorsville, wentdowntown.
That's when we went to Miller'sand did all that.
Charlottesville.
Charlottesville.
So it kind of saved that kind ofsaved the saved the day a little
bit.
It was pretty though.
I will say, like the landscapein the area was pretty.

(01:02:30):
The view from Monticello wasprobably nicer, but it's
awesome, but it was fun.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:35):
It was a good day.
It was fun.
Highlands was just bullshit.
And we and we did a little bitmore of a tour of UVA and went
to the Rotunda, which is thelibrary that he that he did.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:44):
There's not much to say about it.
It was cool.
But he designed the rotunda,yeah.
He and he was a Thomas Jeffersonis able to see the rotunda from
his from Monticello.
He made a point of doing that.
And it was kind of cool.
They had like the livingquarters kind of walking down.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:00):
Yeah, like they had the original, the original
structure is kind of cool how itwas designed.
The original thing.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:09):
So then, yeah, so we had that night in Chancellor,
then we went back.
And then Charlottesville.
I keep saying Chancellor.
Charlotte's.
We drove through CharlotteChancellor'sville on the way
back.
Anyway, we so Sunday we werecoming home, and it worked just
so worked out that we would bepassing by our third stop, that
third and final stop on thetour, and that was James

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Madison's Montpierre Montpelier.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:35):
And James Madison who wrote the Constitution.
That's or the father of theConstitution.
That's how he's known.
That's how some describe him.
He penned the Constitution.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:45):
Penn the Constitution.
Oh, he didn't?
Did not.
Who penned it?
He's the father of the Virgin.
He kind of came up with theVirginia plan.
Which was not.
Who penned the Constitution?
All the men that everyone thatwas at the Who wrote it
physically?
Different people.
Not him.

(01:04:05):
He was like the note takerthere.
He was like up front and centertaking all the notes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:15):
Final physical Governor Mor Govern Governor
Morris wrote the final draft ofthe Constitution.
I see Jacob Shalis.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:22):
Well, the physic final physical document.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:25):
I can only assume you're using ChatGPT.
You lazy piece of the case.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:28):
However, the content and language were primarily
drafted by Governor Morris, whowas the main author on the
committee of style.
Many delegates contributed toJames Madison playing a
particular crucial role indrafting process and earning the
title Father of theConstitution.
But Jacob Schalus, as anassistant clerk for the
Pennsylvania General Assembly,he physically transcribed the
final draft onto parchment overabout 40 hours for 30 bucks.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:53):
So when so then so we went to Montpellier,
Montpellier, I guess.
But the funny part is we'redriving into um Montpellier.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:13):
Very British inspired.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:16):
And but we start walking, we started driving up,
and then all of a sudden you'relooking to the right, and uh you
see like horse tracks.
And we're like, that's weird.
That doesn't look like it wouldbe part of um like James
Madison's whatever.
And um we're like, well,whatever.

(01:05:37):
So we stopped, so whatever, wekept going, and then it turns
out, so then we check in andeverything, and I'm like, we're
waiting for the tour to start.
So I'm wandering around themuseum.
Um I think everybody used thefacilities, and we made a point
of that.
But anyway, as I'm going, I'vecome to learn that the uh, of
course, the uh the aristocraticAmerican family, the DuPonts,

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ended up purchasing the propertyand made it their own.
Um, I don't remember you know,I'm sure we had all the
specifics written down on uh theGoogle Docs, the Google Doc that
Google took from us.
They bought it and they use itas their own.
They didn't preserve reallyanything about it.
The the horse track thing wasthey had a they had an annual

(01:06:22):
horse.
I don't know if it was a horserace or if it was a horse like
dressage or some some someevent, some horse event, because
the woman, the DuPont woman wholived here was into horses or
something.
And just what what ended uphappening was when she died in
the nineties, I think, or thelate 80s or or early to mid-90s,
she left uh she left money inher estate to restore the

(01:06:48):
property as it was to to whatJames Madison, how James Madison
had been.
So the house so the house wasjust redone, nothing was a I
mean, I think they found someoriginal stuff like from over
the years and everything, butthey all had to redo it.
The house at one point wasstrictly a DuPont house with no
homage to James Madison.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:08):
I think DuPont, I think I sent you this is this I
found out because I'm reading abook right now that's called
about the Jeffersonian era.
But the original DuPont, notwe're listening to the original
DuPont, not the industrialistwhere all the money was made
that then he could give to hisshithead grandkids and their
grandkids, but like the O.G.

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DuPont who came out during theFrench Revolution, became
Demboys with Thomas Jefferson,and apparently he was super
important in basically usgetting the Louisiana Purchase.
So, like DuPont, this DuPontfrom Thomas Jefferson's era, he
was running cover and was kindof helping kind of act as a go

(01:07:50):
between Napoleon and Jefferson.
But when they actually boughtthis estate, when the DuPont
family actually boughtMontpellier from James Madison,
though that James Madison house,that was in like 1901.
So by that point, we had abouttwo or three generations of
shitheads.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:07):
Just living off your dull.
You're just saying they weren'talways bad.
You're just using that to letthe fans know that you're
listening to an audiobook.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:23):
I'm just saying I learned something interesting.
They weren't all they weren'tall stupid.
So let's see.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:29):
Um this house, I don't I probably remember the
least from this house, althoughI do think this was my favorite
house.
It was the very it was a veryclassic plantation home, I
thought.
Nice brick.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:43):
Grandfather clock we saw.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:45):
Yeah, that which was apparently original, I think.
Wasn't it?
Yep.
But like just the it started onthe outside.
So the the the history of thishome was James Madison's dad got
his riches from a tobaccofarming, I believe.
And uh basically they lived downat the bottom of the hill, and

(01:09:07):
then they built this place tolike show off or whatever.
And then the original home waspretty small, and then James
Madison had built onto it.
He basically there were twofront doors because he basically
built like an addition for oncehe got married for his family to
also live in there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:26):
His mother basically ran half the house.
She had her side of the house,and then he had his side.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:33):
Mm-hmm.
Um and then, yeah, I mean, therewasn't really much.
There were some weird there weresome weird paintings of like
naked women on the wall.
I remember that grandfatherclock.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:53):
Um The dining room.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:55):
I remember they were asking some questions.
He was asking some questions,some tri was trying to get some
uh some participation, and weimpressed him, I think, with two
answers.
I know the one answer thatreally impressed him was he
asked um I don't even know whythis came up, but he asked what
other president died on the 4thof July, other than um John

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Adams and Thomas Jefferson, andI raised my hand and said James
Monroe, and he said, Very good.
And a lot of people don't knowthat.
I said, Well, we just came fromHighlands yesterday, and he kind
of you kind of got the looklike, oh I feel for it.
Yeah, they got you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:36):
They do ding you, huh?
Um He was maybe the best tourguide we had of the three.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:44):
He was a good tour, he was he was a good tour guide.
Oh, yeah.
There was a funny thing.
He he had you could tell that,and not to lay on the slave
stuff too much, even though theydid it, so we should be able to
also.
Um, you could tell that theyhave all been trained.
This guy was old school.
This is an old school guy.
This is like Tim Coyne from JohnTyler level, old school, and you

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could tell that they had beentrained to say enslaved people
instead of slaves, and heslipped up a couple times.
You could tell like he washaving a hard time with it.
For sure.
Not that it's like not that helike did not that he
disrespected the sl like theenslaved people or whatever, but
you could just say he was havinga he was having a hard time like
with the new lingo and keepingup with it.

(01:11:28):
It's like he would like trip upand like say slave, uh enslaved
people.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:33):
Yeah.
He was uh reminded, I don'tthink we ever talked about yeah,
another tour guide we had whenwe were in California.
Yeah, he was he was just an oldtimer doing his thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:44):
Yeah, it was cool.
He was he was a nice guy.
They they took you up to, whichI thought was kind of bogus.
I know you were rolling youreyes at it.
Um we went up to a room wherelike he was like, this is
probably the room where he wrotethe Constitution.
Yeah, they have like this roomthat's like kind of his his
study.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:03):
Mitchum was yeah, an author was up there like a week
before he'd said Mitchum wasthere doing a whole thing about
it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:13):
We'll get it.
Yeah, I don't I don't I don'tthere wasn't anything like very
memorable from this house exceptit was my favorite house.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:20):
The house itself is like what you would think of
like what a real plan.
Like Monticello was weirdbecause it was like Thomas
Jefferson's pet project.
Highland wasn't there, and thenMonticello was like the
aristocratic home you wouldexpect to find in a Virginian
aristocratic home that you wouldexpect to find.
Long sweeping driveway, fieldsfor miles, like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:46):
Well, I will say too, they really like I will
say, you know, again, I mean,the whole weekend the whole
weekend was just so focused onslavery, like you can't really
talk about it without it.
I mean, I think they laid onabout the treatment of the
slaves the heaviest with theMadisons.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:05):
Yeah, when you went downstairs, oh, you could go
under the house, and it was likea whole exhibit about how Dolly
Madison.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:13):
The the the theme here, which is an interesting
theme that you don't really talkabout often, was James Madison
also died broke.
And when he died, his wife hiswife had to pay off his debts,
and she did so by sellingsplitting up slave families off.
Yeah, and splitting up safety,splitting them up down to
Florida and Alabama, sendingthem down the river is where the

(01:13:37):
phrase was termed, where theslavery was more in demand,
unfortunately.
And I think and that was likethat was the the heavy theme of
this one was how sad it was ofthese slave families being
broken up just because she hadto sell them off to pay for her
shithead husband's debts.
And um specifically, the theprobably the saddest one was she

(01:14:02):
sold like her head, I don't knowwhat would you call it.
Like basically her nanny fromthe time she was who raised her.
I think it was her.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:18):
And she took ownership of her when she came
of age.
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:23):
I think, and then she and then she sold her, even
sold her, and that was likecrazy.
It'd be like selling your ownmom down the river, up the
river, down the river, whatever.
You don't remember that?
That was like it was it thewhole thing was which is
something you don't really thinkabout.
Then they had like an exhibit ofhow the slaves lived.

(01:14:44):
It was kind of interesting.
I don't remember the rest of it.
There was a cool garden.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:49):
There was like a wooden shed they tried
rebuilding using the same toolsas slate, the same tools that I
don't remember that.
Remember, there was like that,like kind of looked like it was
in Valley Forge.
It was like the the wooden Yeah.
And they had like names.
I don't remember them trying torebuild it.
I think they know they yeah,they it it was not an original
structure.
They re somewhat recent.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:11):
There was a garden area.
Garden what that was that was uhDuPont's garden, but that was
nice.
Like an old school garden.
Madison was very short.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:23):
We learned he was very short, very tiny man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:26):
Yeah.
I wish I feel like there wasmore to talk about, but thanks
to Google, I don't have mynotes.
I don't know really what else tosay.
Well, we went, uh trying tothink.
We went in that visitor center.
They had that video that we werewatching a little bit of.
That was okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:41):
Yeah, that's where the Mitchum, yeah, that's where
they had that author talkingabout it.
Uh that cafeteria.
I guess like if we missed hisgrave.
Oh, that's maybe as we were weblew by his grave.
And we didn't blew by his grave.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:03):
No one knew how to get there.
Went too far.
No one knew how to get there,but there was no signage on how
to get to his grave.
I remember that.
Go figure.
And I think that was it.
I will say that like the reasonthat we don't have as much to
talk about from the JamesMadison one is because it was

(01:16:25):
probably the moststraightforward experience.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:32):
You didn't touch anything.
That's good.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:37):
Well none of it was original.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:41):
There were no candlesticks there.
Man, what that's crazy.

unknown (01:16:49):
What?

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:49):
Leaving their family with all those debts.
I mean, to be fair, if that'sthe truth of their character, I
mean unless his family knew thatthat was the skill, that's just
what it meant to be a aplantation owner or whatever,
like you was just assumed youwere gonna have to take over the
debts of your father.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:06):
I think that's what they were alluding to.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:08):
If it was just an imposition, that was like
comedy.
That's just what people did.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:12):
Probably made for fractious relationships, I would
think.
Or if it was just I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:20):
And I think didn't they even say that like
Monticello went into disrepairand that they like sold it for
real cheap, like he wasn't eventaking care of it, or was his
kid not taking care of it forJefferson?

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:32):
I don't know.
I think so.
Yeah, I gotta remember all theseall these places we're seeing
now.
It's like they've had a hundredyears now, or at least yeah,
hundred fifty a hundred years,past fifty years, whatever, uh
all this restoration moneythat's going in.
I mean, I'm sure a lot of theseplaces were like felt a crap.
Yeah, yeah.
Not Highlands, though.

(01:17:54):
That one went up in smoke.
A long time ago.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:59):
Not much to take care of over there, that's for
sure.
I guess that's it.
I don't know.
I think we we talked for waylonger than 20 minutes on it.
Stuff really started to unlockwhen we started talking about
it.
I didn't think I was gonna beable to to to get back into the
into the feeling, but I think weuh got a pretty good

(01:18:22):
description.
I don't think we missed thatmuch, actually.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:28):
Yeah, it was a fun trip.
We gotta figure out where we'regonna go.
Next.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:40):
Alright, fans, thanks for uh listening in.
Sorry about the Google mishap.
Or, you know, if you guys wantto file a complaint to Google,
make sure we get our email back.
I'd appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:50):
Yeah, we're living in 1984.
Living in 1984, you know, fans.
We'll we'll work with we'll workwith what we got.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:57):
I don't think we did anything to deserve it, but we
might have.
We'll file it.
Full disclosure.
It'll be interesting.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:03):
We did, it was it'll be interesting to tell you to
read whatever it is they comeback with and why it is.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:09):
I hope they give it I hope they don't just say no.
I hope if they say no, theyexplain what happened.
Fun fact, they did not.
And if so, I'm sorry, Google.
If we do deserve it, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:27):
If we don't until I get a hard drive, a local hard
drive and get all my informationoff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:35):
Thank you very much.
Got anything to leave them with,John?

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:39):
You gotta stay curious.
See you guys.

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