In this debrief episode, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy reflect on their compelling conversation with Dr. Neal Baer—renowned TV producer, medical doctor, and storytelling educator—focusing on one powerful idea: “Data. Emotion. Action.”
Using this quote as a springboard, they explore how storytelling transforms dry statistics into narratives that resonate—and ultimately drive change. From justice reform to on-the-ground fundraising, they share personal stories where this triad has shown up in powerful ways.
You’ll Hear:
Storytelling with Purpose – How the “Data. Emotion. Action.” framework helps tailor stories to specific audiences, from policymakers to healthcare providers.
The Power of Voice in the Justice System – How Measures for Justice turns numbers into stories that humanize criminal justice reform—and catalyze systemic change.
A Cocktail-Hour Pivot – Why a last-minute decision to share a story at a fundraiser turned a routine speech into a moment of connection and transformation.
From ER to Harvard – How Dr. Baer’s eclectic journey from medicine to TV to academia exemplifies the power of building with a “Yes, and” mindset.
Why Lived Experience Matters – A reminder that your personal story, when shared with intention, can make a tangible difference in how others see the world.
Key Takeaways:
✅ Data Alone Isn’t Enough – Real change happens when stories infuse data with meaning and human connection.
✅ Audience Clarity is Key – A story that moves a policymaker may differ from one that moves a patient or donor—know who you’re talking to.
✅ Build With “Yes, And” – Embrace non-linear journeys. Seemingly unrelated experiences often fuel the most powerful leadership stories.
✅ Tell the Story—Even When Advised Not To – Sometimes the most impactful moments come when we trust our instincts and share something real.
✅ Stories Spark Action – When stories are rooted in data and delivered with emotion, they don’t just inform—they inspire and mobilize.
🎧 Tune in to hear how Dr Neal Baer’s work continues to shape storytelling for social change—and how you can apply his insights in your own leadership journey.
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