A Toddcast Twist: John Coleman Interviews Todd

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Hello. My name is ToddMcLaughlin. This is Native Yoga
Toddcast, and today I have JohnColeman with me here at the
studio. John, how are you doing?

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I'm doing great. Todd, thanksfor asking. Thanks so much for
sitting down with me today. I'vebeen coming to your studio for
almost 10 years now, I've beenlistening to all your podcasts,
and I've really been wanting toask you some questions, the same
kind of questions that maybe youask the other people, so your
listeners and your students getto know you a little better. No,
thanks, John, so I'm kind ofcurious. You know, you've got

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this beautiful yoga community,this beautiful studio. How'd you
get started?
Wow. Great question to take youto the starting point of my
journey. Obviously, if you'reoperating heavy machinery, don't
close your eyes, but if you havea chance to close your eyes, I'm
gonna take you to a moment whereI'm lying on my back in about

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one inch of water, and I'm about14 years old. I had just tried
to jump from about 30 feet on arope swing here in Tequesta,
Florida. And it didn't go sowell, and I fell all the way

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from the top and landed on theway down my head hit a tree,
which flipped me around, and Ilanded flat on my back in about
one inch of water right inbetween these roots that were
sticking up like stalagtitestalagmite, looking roots coming

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up out of the sand. And I hit sohard that I nearly died. Whoa,
yeah. What an experience. Had anear death experience, and I
knew I could feel, this is it. Iknew it. I was like, This is it.

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Soyou kind of knew at that point,
yeah, that you could die, yeah.
The end of it, yeah. Ifelt, I felt like I was leaving
my body. You know, you get thatsort of Yeah, awareness of like,
whoa. I'm slowly withdrawingfrom my body. And at that time,
my friend's brother went, Oh mygosh. Look at all the blood

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coming out of his head also. AndI opened my eyes, and I put my
hand up, and I felt the back ofmy head, and I looked at my
hand, I saw the blood, and Iagain, just put my arm down, and
just, I couldn't move, and Ijust had this feeling of it was
quite peaceful. I mean, I hit sohard, oh my god. It literally
knocked the crap out of me. Andso to fast forward, my the

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ambulance came and got on theboat and put me on a stretcher
and got me back on the ambulanceand took me to the Jupiter
Medical Center, in which casethe doctors stitched me up and
told my parents, who are, youknow, so sad when they came to
the hospital because, of course,yeah, they said in the morning,

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whatever you do, Todd, don't goto the rope swing today. So a
littlebit of a rebel and tough way to
get caught. Good response. Andit took me about two to three
weeks before I could start towalk again. And and it was, it

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was a really bad accident, and Iwas very lucky. It was, it was a
miracle that I did not have aspinal cord injury, yeah, yeah.
And that I rehabbed isrelatively. Quick as I did, but
the having such a close call atthat point in my life, it also

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knocked the crap out of me, butit also knocked some sense into
me. Sowhen you when we're not now,
we're like, two weeks down theroad after this accident, are
you still aware that at somepoint you could have died?
Yeah, my recollection here is atthe time, my family were just
about ready to go on vacationthe next day, so that was part

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of the thing that was a bummerfor everybody, my family, and so
they took me with them anyway,and I just remember posting up
on a couch and just having amiserable time trying to move
right and but when you're I wasso young that the body is so
resilient, and you know, youjust, you make your way again.

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You just, it wasn't I didn'tbreak my spine. I didn't have
spinal cord injury. And I thinkthat was the catalyst, because
when I try to go back into mypast and think, why did I do
what I did in my life? I took aI took the road less traveled. I

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traveled really far and wide,but I took the harder route, in
my opinion, to to get to where Iam. Now that's about
your whole life. You're sayingthat you think you always took a
more difficult road. I were theones that nobody else traveled
anyway.
Yeah, I really pushed theenvelope. I think that that
experience, I mean, I at thetime, I don't know that I I

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could have later than when I was18 and I started, you know,
venturing out and travelingaround the world. I I don't
think at that point I wasrelating back to that specific
accident as the catalyst. Butnow where I am now how my body
is now, how my mental, emotionalbody is now, and I really

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process all of the experience ofmy life to try to come up with
this sort of like clear picturenow that definitely seems like a
good starting point, and wherethat that had a role in my sort
of spiritual Awakening and myseeking, my really intense

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seeking for finding some sort ofcoming home feeling, or finding
my connection with my higherpower and that sort of, that
journey that I've taken so Youknow, where I had grown up with

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relatively religious andspiritual background growing up
Catholic. And I always had, youknow, read the Bible from cover
to cover, and I was a deepseeker in terms of my my
Catholic and Christianbackground and and when I went
to University of Florida inGainesville, and I met the Hare

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Krishnas when I was 18. That forme, was a big turning point,
because I was so curious. I wasso curious. I always had this
feeling there has to be more. Ialways really wanted to find the
answers to the big questions,the questions that everybody
told me, you can't find thoseanswers. Where do we come from?

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Everyone's gonna say we'll haveno idea where we came from.
There's great theories aboutwhere we came from, but how can
I truly know the answer to that?
What came first? The chicken orthe egg? Yeah, these are
questions like, How would Iknow? How could we figure that
question out? So putyou on the path. Todd, is that
what got you to leave the houseand head to college and maybe
see the Howie Christians move inwith how high Krishnas? Was it

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that spiritual seeking?
Yeah, I think so, yeah, when Ilook back for sure, because, you
know, I also had experienced afair amount of intense trauma as
a child, okay? And I think thatplayed a big role into my

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recklessness, in my physicaladventures. That did not stop
with the rope swing thatcontinued on later, yeah, and
um, but I think that that had avery big impact. And my search
for finding my home, you know,finding, and I know we have our

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physical home, like our house,and we have our physical, you
know, our the home that we thinkof is like, that's where I live.
But I really wanted to get alittle bit more into like
finding my true home and what mytrue calling was, and I was very
unsure as to what that was. I Ibattled with some pretty severe

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depression in my high schoolyears, and so that the. That
really served to kind of push meto find my own answers, and I
went at it with a relativelyreckless attitude, in the sense
of that I wasn't going to giveup, and I definitely did not
want to take the traditionalroute. And so when I went to

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college, it was a lot of kind ofpushing for me to go and that
that would be the only way thatI could potentially succeed in
life. And so I gave it a try.
And I think my my initialdiscovery of yoga at, you know,
at age 18, that caused me to go,Whoa, okay, I gotta go to India.

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I also had this really strongfeeling that I really wanted to
go to Africa. Had a strong pullfor Africa. What
gave you that interest? What didyou know about Africa? They
said, Gee, I want to go there.
So I had a when I was in highschool, I started hanging out
with this guy from Barbados thatwas a Rasta Fauci and a Rasta

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dude, Rasta mom, yeah, and so.
And I always felt incrediblyinspired by Bob Marley's music.
Okay, so, and I gotteninfluenced heavily from like,
the 60s music era, and I was abig fan of the Grateful Dead,
and went solid dead. And, youknow, I kind of got into that
whole, like, hippie Rastaculture, so to speak. And you

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know, you showed the dreadlockswith I grew, yeah, I grew
dreadlocks. You know, I had bigold burly beard when I was 16,
when I was walking throughJupiter high school with my
Birkenstocks and beard. Youknow, kids would joke around
like, oh, there's Jesus look.
And, you know, it's a littleembarrassing, but at the same

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time, I was like, All right, ifthat's, I mean, I guess that's a
good role model, yeah. And so,you know that that that felt
like a strong pull, and I wasalways really intrigued by just
African culture. And I alwayshad this, I was always I
learned, or at least was told,and how do we know what's really
true here, but that all of uscame from Africa, right, cradle

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of civilizations, Africa, one ofthe oldest remains of a human
that would eventually evolve towhere we are now. As Homo
sapiens, came from the cradle ofAfrica, you know? So I just had
this feeling of like, I want togo back to the beginning. Okay,
I want to get to the the groundlevel. And I I really wanted to

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see the world. I felt like Ineed to see, I want to see the
whole world. Is that when youstarted, did you start in
Africa? No, myWell, no, actually, well, from
here in Gainesville, I went. Andso this the other part of my
vision, too, really took on thisidea of, I wanted to become self
sufficient, okay, and I wantedto learn how to grow my own
food. So I had this dreamervision that one day I would land

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on a piece of land. And, youknow, because I did suffer some
pretty traumatic trauma, or sometrauma as a kid, I think that
instilled this feeling in me ofthat the world was a bad place,
or the world was gonna godownhill, yeah, that there was
gonna be some sort of nuclearexplosion, or that there was

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gonna be some sort of, like,breakdown of the entire system.
The grids are gonna go down,ships are going down. And I
wanted to be like, ready to go,like, I think I had this really
intense feeling that was goingto happen, and I thought, I have
to get back to the earth. I haveto learn how to take care of
myself. So that put me on aquest to learn organic farming.

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And I went to Connecticut. Andthen I ended up, had a friend in
Connecticut that let me staywith her, and I went to Long
Island, and I got anapprenticeship on a farm in the
middle of winter on Long Islandwhere I'd never seen snow
before. I grew up here inFlorida, I brought my mountain
bike, mountain biking on LongIsland roads in the ice and the
snow going farm doesn't work outtoo well. Bags of horse manure

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going out, spreading them outthrough these beds, you know?
And so I kind of quicklyrealized I'm not a winter guy.
And then I had a chance, or leadto go to Northern California
from a friend, from my friend inConnecticut, who took me in, and
I did an apprenticeship on aman's farm, John Jevons farm. He

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wrote a book called How to growas much vegetables on as little
land as possible. And he waslike a research farmer, where he
would, you know, pull the foodout of the ground, weigh it,
figure out what levels offertilizer and what you needed
to do organically to be able toget as much produce as possible.
So he was really about justmaximizing, and you were working

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with him. Yeah, that wasamazing. I know I was not really
ready to settle down on anylevel. So on the when I was
like, I was like, you know, Iwas like, I am traveling. I and
he was like, You need to make adecision. Todd. Are you gonna
hang here and do anapprenticeship here? And this is
where my wanderlush just it wasinsatiable. I. Couldn't stop so

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And how old are you now? At thispoint, I'm, I'm still 18. I
guess I turned 19 somewhere inthis little equation. Yeah, I
think I turned I'm a 19 at thispoint. So my friend had a farm
up in Northern California. Iwent lived up in Mendocino for
um. I spent a year up there, upin the mountains, which was
absolutely amazing. I have tonsof stories from that period, but

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I'll jump forward to I worked. Isaved up some money, and I
thought, Hawaii, you know, I hada chance to go to Hawaii when I
was younger, and went between my11th and 12th grade. So I had a
friend that lived in Maui, and Itook the money that I'd saved,
and I went to Maui, and I boughta really cheap car for 500

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bucks, I found a room in a houseto rent up in buchalani, and I
started working at the charthouse down in Kahului. I worked
cleaning the kitchen at Mama'sfish house on the north shore of
Maui, and I worked Valleyparking cars at the Grand Wailea
over on the south shore. Andthen I had windsurfed growing
up. I grew up skateboarding,windsurfing and surfing. Lived

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on the beach. I lived for forbeing in the ocean. So and I was
windsurfing and surfing all ofthe Maui, North Shore, South
Shore, and just having a reallyincredible experience. And I
thought, this is, this is whereI'm gonna stay. You know, this
is it, man, Hawaii's the best.
And after about a year, mywanderlust kept kicking in, and

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I thought, You know what? Ireally want to learn
permaculture. A friend of minethat I met working on an organic
farm in Maui. He said, Have youever heard of permaculture? I
was like, what's that? It's acombination of the word
permanent and agriculture. I'mlike, Well, where did that
start? He said they have thesepermaculture farms in Australia.
The founders of permaculture,Bill Mollison and David
Holmgren, are from Australia.
And I was like, Australia, it isgoing to Australia. So I

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actually kept my car. I found aperson that would let me keep my
car on his property, and I flewto Sydney, and I brought a
surfboard, and I hitchhiked andbus rode all the way up to a
town called Bundaberg inQueensland, which was like, not
the place to go if you have asurfboard, the surf is all from
Sydney up to Queensland. And Iwent a little bit north,

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Northern Queensland to a placebut I found in a organic banana
farm that I went and worked onand had an incredible
experience. There's anorganization called woofing,
willing workers on organicfarms. It's, it's a list that
you, anyone can go to, and it'sonline now. Then, at the time,
there was no online, so therewas no internet. Wow, that's a
whole nother story, right? Liketraveling the world

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internationally before theinternet, where you had to get a
map, you know, and chart yourdestinations, it seems
impossible,knowing what you know now, what
we know now, oh, my God, I don'tknow how I'd get around without
theInternet. I know. Man, I'm sure
I did so amazing, and you had noidea what you're getting into.
There was no video on No, no,you bought maybe one of those,

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like fodders book or one ofthose. Yeah, you know those
things, when you were gonna gotravel, you'd buy a book from a
country that had ideas of placesto go. Tell you where different
youth hostels were. Video withyou. Yeah, it was so different.
It was so different. It wasamazing. And this is in 1993
that 94 at this point. So I goand I take a permaculture design

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course in a place called crystalwaters in Mulaney, which was an
incredible experience. And Iloved it so much. I took a
second permaculture course. Idid two permaculture design
courses, and then I met a friendwho had a Volkswagen Combi van,
old VW van, and he said, Hey,man, I'm going up to up to the
northeast of Queensland toCairns. And so I went with him,

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and we worked our way all theway up, and worked at different
farms on the way. Had someincredible experiences, hanging,
living with some of theAustralian folk out in the
middle of nowhere, and had somereally interesting experiences
that was amazing. And then atthat point, we came back down
and decided, you know, I'm goingback to that area and do another

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design course. And I'd met agirl, and then I went back to
Hawaii, and because we thoughtmaybe we should get together, I
sold all my stuff in Hawaii andmoved back to Australia. Got a
six month visa, wow. And wetoured and traveled all the way
from East Coast, all the waySouthern, across an old board
plane to Western Australia. Myvisa was running out, and

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somebody had this grand idea,hey, why don't you get married?
And so we said, Sure, so I'dactually married an Australian
day one after that didn't workout so good, but I stayed in
Australia. She went off and didher thing, and I got a job
working. I stayed. Ate on awoofing farm. Oh, yeah. So back

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to woofing. Woofing, willingworkers on organic farms. What
it is is you, you inquire with afarm where they say, Hey, I have
this farm. So for example, thefarm that ended up going to it
was like, we have this 80 acrefarm on the coast of Western
Australia, and we have avegetable garden. We have a
couple of animals. My husband isa large animal vet, and you can

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come and stay, and you I wouldgo, you call them up. You show
up if you get along with them,and they let you stay. They give
you food and accommodation, andyou work a few hours for them at
their farm, and it's just a worktrade. There's no money.
Actually, you did that, yeah,yeah. I did that all over the
world, actually. Oh, really,yeah, and that was how I was
able to travel on such ashoestring budget. Because, I

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mean, I was working. I did nothave any funds coming my way
from any there was no income.
Yeah, once I once I left school,my parents were like, great,
Todd, you're off. Have fun.
You're not getting any help fromus. And I was like, Cool, I'm on
my own. I want to prove I wantto prove that I'm a man of the

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world. I can do this. And so Istayed with them, and that was
incredible. And I ended upliving in that Southwest area of
Western Australia for fiveyears. And so I worked and lived
with them. Do we live with themthe entire five years? No,
a lot happened. I mean, over thefive years, I lived in yelling

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up, I lived in Margaret River. Ilived in warm up, I lived in.
These are all towns in thesouthwest. So sure, what an
amazing place and time in theworld. And I love the Australian
people, and I'm so grateful forthe the way that they open their
arms and just took me in andjust treated me so well. And I

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have just such a soft place inmy heart for Western Australia.
Wow. Yeah. And so now I had thisdream and vision of working on
organic farms, and that isgreat, but you don't make money
doing that unless you're like aPro Farmer. You know, with land
of your own, you're just doingyou got some backing for

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lodging, and yeah, I'm just justjust wanting to travel and learn
and see the world type of thingand learn as much as I can. So I
got to work with a organic seedcollector in Bustleton, which is
in like on the cape, and she wasan amazing woman, and she taught
me how to, like grow organicseed, collect them, and we'd

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sell. I'd help. I just kind ofhelped her with her whole
business and selling that at thetime, I still didn't have a car,
I still didn't have permanentresidency, I didn't have a tax
ID number, so I had to work allunder the table. I have a really
you know, I appreciateimmigrants. I appreciate the
work immigrants do. Yeah, Iappreciate how hard it is. I

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appreciate what it's like tolive without being able to work
a legit job. It's really hard.
And in Western Australia, it's aprimary producing country,
meaning they have a lot of wooland beef and mining and or
might, you know it's like, andthey have a lot of incredible
stuff. But they, they, you know,it's like, very farm culture,

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very rural. Where I was, allthere was, were dairy farms and
vineyards, wow. And we're wayout in the countryside. Margaret
River was such a small town backin at this time period in 94 was
there any, did you have anythought about starting your own
farm? You've been doing this fora while now,
like, like, like, currently,like, do I want to No, no, back

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then? Well, yeah, money was theproblem. Okay, you know, people
were like, Todd, you're fromAmerica, you know, why don't you
just ask somebody there formoney? And I'm like, Dude who
nobody gives you money? Man, no.
There's no GoFundMe pages. LikeI didn't have deep pockets. I
had no pockets. I literally hadno pockets. I had, I think, I

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think at the time, I might havehad maybe, like, 1000 bucks in
the bank. Okay, you know, so,and I was like, I'm only gonna
spend what I earn. So if I earn20 bucks for the day, I lived
off 20 bucks, you know, right?
And I so then I realized, well,this woofing stuff is great. And

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I finally got my tykes tax IDnumber, and I decided, and then
I was like, I need a job. Sothen I got a job for Margaret
River tree planting and landcare services. And thank you,
Mr. Rankin for giving me a joband just believing in me and,
you know, and again, I had bigold long dreads and a big old
beard, so, yeah, all these, youknow, folks are kind of like,

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who in the heck is this guy?
Man, he's a total hippie. He'sfrom the States, but I was a
really hard worker. One thingthat my family and my culture
and country instilled in me. Isa work ethic that I'm very proud
of. I I worked my butt off. Iworked so hard physically. I
worked well. I worked for onetime. So for five years, I did

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blue gum plantations, where wewould show up to these farms
that were being converted fromold sheep farms, because in
Western Australia, you have asalinity issue. What happened
back in the 40s and 50s is thereis a program where it's
basically clear as much trees aspossible. And when you have
trees, and you have a veryancient soil that exists in

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Australia, the roots go down solow that it keeps the salt
levels deep. And so when youremove all the trees, the salt
comes up to the surface andnothing can grow, right? So once
the soil became so depleted,these farmers were just like,
couldn't even grow anything.
This is like desert. Like in thewinter it rains, it's green, but
during the summer it's dry, dry,dry, dry. So, um, they there. I

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worked there was a companycalled Bunnings that was
basically funded by the Japaneseto grow pulp so that they'd have
toilet paper and paper products.
So it wasn't exactly thereforestation projects that I
envisioned in terms ofreforesting to kind of let the
earth regenerate, but we got tomake baby steps in this process,
in my opinion, in terms ofstewardship for the earth,

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right? So, so, and I took thejob, and I got paid, and we
worked our butts off. And youknow, you're planting in the
winter when it's cold, and Ihad, you know, you're wearing a
rain jacket and rain pants gumboots, like those big old
galoshes. And you know you're,you're walking all day long, for
about eight hours a day, justgoing tree after tree after tree

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after tree. And it's backbreaking. Work, brutal work. My
knees were killing me, you know,because I had that horrible wipe
out when I was a kid. My backstill feeling I still, you know,
I was still so young at thatpoint. I mean, I was in my early
20s. I was, I wasn't even 21Yeah, so I was in my early 20s.
This is from like age 20 to 2520to 24 so I tell you all that

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because at one point I tweakedmy neck so bad I couldn't move,
I couldn't lay, I couldn't sit.
And I somebody said, Dude, Iknow this physiotherapist, which
is like the equivalent of aphysical therapist, and down in
Margaret River, and I went, andhe used the combination of
needles dry needling and manualsoft tissue therapies, and he

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fixed me. Whoa, quickly, I feltgreat, and it blew me away. And
that was my first kind of like,wow, what is this world of body
work? Whoa, this is really cool.
And I knew, because I wasworking physically so hard, and
my relationship was coming to aclose, and it was, you know,

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very evident and apparent thatthat wasn't gonna work. And the
grass is always greener. Pinkeyed goggle view the sky is the
land of the where I want to livethe rest of my life, you know,
came crashing down. So, yeah,time to go. The House of Cards
came down. Okay? And so, um,that was really probably one of

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the most difficult decisions Iever had to make, because I knew
when I left, I was going to beleaving officially for good.
Even though I had permanentresidency, I really knew I had
this idea that I would travelback to the states and live for
a few months and then come backto Australia and live a few
months and then travel back tothe States, and I states, and I

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would somehow get this lifestylegoing where I'd be kind of like
snowboarding around the world.
That's so tough. But again, Ihad pie dreams on a budget that
doesn't wasn't really supportthat. And there's a there's a
whole waking up to realityaspect of the grandeur of the
young to the reality and thewisdom of the old. Sure that

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process that I was goingthrough, those growing pains.
You know, I have tons of storiesI could dip into and give you
many files and stories here, butI'm just kind of scratching the
surface of how I got to where Iam here now and so, all right,
so I decided at that point I'mlike, You know what? This isn't

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gonna work. I can't see myselfdoing this really hardcore
manual labor for very long, orfor the rest of my life, anyway.
So I really thought I want tolearn massage therapy. I want to
become a body worker from thatthe treatment that you received
in Australia, this you mightwant to
do. And so I traveled back tohere, and I just kind of just

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like, I'm leaving Australia. Icame back here and I found a
school in Miami, and I went toMiami, and I enrolled at a place
called educating, hands down onBrickell. And this was in 2000
Okay. Okay, so 25 years ago, andI got my license in massage
therapy and realized that, uhoh, I need to get a divorce. I

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can't move on. Oh, you haven'tgotten to that. So in the
process, I'd bought an aroundthe world ticket and went to,
you know, so here I was like,All right, let me, let me
continue to travel. And, youknow, without going into all the
details of all this, butthroughout this process of going

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back and forth between theStates and Australia, I got a
chance to travel all throughIndonesia and surf in Bali, and
surf on Zimbabwe, Lakey peak,and had a chance to go to Fiji.
Andthese are just pleasure trips.
You're not working. You're justthese
are a combination of, well, whatI would do is, when I would come
back here, I would do landscapemaintenance here in Palm Beach

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County and Valley Park cars. SoI work Valley parking cars down
in Palm Beach, and then and inNorth Palm Beach, the different
like steak houses and likereally fancy places, and just
work my butt off in the winterseason. And then I also even did
landscape maintenance here,working with the Guatemalans.
And that was an incredibleexperience, and that really

(31:15):
helped me to understand andappreciate because I was never
shy to do hard work. And Ireally love working with the
earth and any kind of gardening.
And had gotten a ton ofexperience in Australia, and I
got a ton of experience here. Igot to work in fruit orchards
and olive orchards. I worked inan olive orchard in Italy, and I
spent three months working in anolive orchard in an organic

(31:35):
garden farm in Italy. How longwere you in Italy? I spent three
months total, six weeks ingrossetto and six weeks in a
place called Montalcino. Oh,yeah, it was amazing. Oh, a
beautiful say, if you didn'tsay, and sure, went and saw the
art, went to Rome, and I finallyhad a chance to go to Africa.
And I flew to Zimbabwe, and Iwas gonna work on a roof. I

(31:58):
wanted to try to work on awoofing farm. And again, please.
I know people listening mightthink, wow, somebody sponsored
Todd and gave him a ton ofmoney. No, I worked my ass off
and I traveled on the smallestamount of money possible. That's
the amazing, really, becauseyou're right, because when you
hear these, because I knowthere's a lot of folks that you

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know, you get a trust fund andyou go, I'm just gonna go. I did
not do it that way. More money.
I wanna go to Fiji. That did nothappen. Now, my parents did help
me out when I would land hereand let me either stay with them
in their house. I mean, I wouldalways try to find somewhere to
live. I didn't wanna do that,but they were kind and generous

(32:39):
in that respect. But as far ashelping on the level of, let me
give you money like I took loansout to go to massage therapy
school. I paid those loans backso and then I, when I went to
Africa, landed in Zimbabwe, andI backpacked by myself through
from Zimbabwe, took busses onthe local busses, up through
Mozambique and went to Malawi. Iclimbed up Mount malanji. When I

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got to Mount malanji, I met thisdoctor that was an African
doctor that was trained inLondon, but he decided to come
back to Africa to serve hispeople. And he said, Oh, you
want to see the real Africa? AndI'm all like, Yeah, show me the
real Africa. So he goes, let metake you to this hospital that I
used to work at. And I went tothis hospital, and at the time,
they told me that seven tenthsof the population in Malawi had

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the HIV virus. And that is areally intense realization when
you walk through a country whereyou see, I mean, Africa is
amazing. Africa is so amazing.
Oh my gosh, man, I love theAfrican people. Oh my gosh, I
love African people. They are soamazing. The culture there. And
it's a, it's a rough place, man,it's a, I found myself in

(33:49):
situations where I thoughtanother near death experience is
where I thought, This is it, I'mdead. Man, and no, it was a lot
of times when you're culturallyprivileged and you go to a place
that isn't of the same level ofprivilege, we carry the fear
that maybe I won't be treatedwell. And what I found is that

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if you come with a humble heart,and you come in with true
humility, that that privilegefalls away, and people open up,
and they they share what theyhave. And then you had those
experiences. I had thoseexperiences in Africa. I stayed
with Africans and village likesettings. How long are you

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there? How long I was there. Howlong was that Africa? I planned
to go for six months, and Ithink I made it. I think I made
it a little over one month.
Because the turning point for mewas I when I got to Malawi, I
hand wrote a letter and Ishipped it off. That was the
only way to get the letter tothe woofing farm. And now I
realize, when I. Was, where wasI? Is that melangi? Melangi and

(35:03):
Malawi? I thought, I don't knowif I'm ever going to hear back
from this guy. I don't even knowif my letter is ever going to
make it, even if the farm isstill in operation. So I'm just
waiting in milanji, buying time.
That's when I decided, let me goclimb Mount melangi and and in
the process, that wasincredible. That was amazing.
And when, when this guy took meto the hospital, there was three

(35:25):
patients per bed, two sleepingon the floor under one on the
bed. And they would rotate everyeight hours. Each person would
get so when you see people dyingof HIV, and you go into a
hospital where everybody theireyes are just they stare at you
through eyes of like, right,through your soul, right? Yeah.

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It hit me so hard, yeah. I hadthis feeling of like, what am I
doing if I can't help? Well,first of all, how can I possibly
help? What can I do to help? Icouldn't think of anything other
than potentially volunteer foran aid organization. But then I

(36:09):
remember meeting differentpeople working in aid
organizations where I saw levelsof corruption that were so how
you did that? I thought, I'm notorganized right now to do that,
and I'm not a doctor, like if Ihad a skill correct, and I was
trying to work with permacultureand organic farming, but that's,
I mean, let's just be honest. Imean, that takes so much.

(36:30):
There's so much to making thatwork. And where people want your
help, that's a whole notherthing, yeah. And then even have
the ability to help, and thenhave the long term strategy, I
realized I was way out of myleague in the culture, in that
Avenue, and then in Africa. Thenwhen I saw the that I don't

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know, I just hadn't encountereddeath in that way, where, you
know, you hear that story aboutthe Buddha coming out of the
kingdom, and like him realizingWhoa, this is suffering, yeah,
you know. And which caused himto want to find the solution,
you know? Yeah, I feel like thatmight have been my, my Buddha

(37:12):
moment, coming out of my little,nice, little existence, and
realizing Whoa, this is, this ismore. There's more, there's
more. And so I had toreformulate. And so I decided
I'm going back. And I made myway all the way back down to
Zimbabwe, and I flew out and soother places along those

(37:33):
journeys. And I I learned, Ifeel like I got my teeth cut in
Africa a little bit more.
Because when I wanted to go toIndia, I felt like, All right,
I've heard a lot of storiesabout India, how challenging
that can be. And I thought, allright, well, I've done some hard
places, some some like, andalso, you see people like, oh, I
went to Africa. It was amazing.
Yeah, we had white table linencloths out on the Safari
Savannah. And, you know, I had anice, like, Land Cruiser

(37:56):
delivery out here with this highend camping, yeah. And, man, no,
that wasn't that what I didn'thave. I wasn't spending the
money to have that. I didn't buymy luxury, and I roughed it. So
that was incredible. Morestories from there, but let me
keep going on. So okay, let meback up to the where I led you
with. Okay, I got to go back toAustralia, get a divorce. I got

(38:19):
a divorce, I got that all kindof wrapped up for the most part.
There's a lot more to thatstory. And I and I, and I come
back to the States, and allright, I'm like, You know what?
I love body work. And my mom waslike, Todd, you got to come when
I was going to massage school,she's like, You got to come do
some yoga with me. And I'm likeyoga. I got to do some yoga when

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I was with the Hare Krishnas,with your mom, got to do some
yoga when I was out inWestern Australia. I took some
my younger yoga classes. I didsome hatsi yoga classes. And in
Gainesville as well. And and atthis point, I was really
intrigued about meditation, yogathrough Paramahansa Yogananda. I
read his book, Autobiography ofYogi, and I was like, my mind

(39:03):
was like, going, Whoa, okay,this is the next level for me to
kind of take the journey toward.
And so my mom said, You got tocome to yoga with me. I said,
Yeah, mom, of course. So I wentwith her to a Bikram yoga class,
and I loved it. I really buttkicked it was exactly what I

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needed. What did you like? What,what? What was it that you I
liked the heat, okay. I likedthe intensity of the heat. I
liked the physicality of thechallenge of the asana. I liked
the physicality and thechallenge of the asana, but the
mental determination required toget through every class. I like

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the fact that I was cleaning upmy life in relation to getting a
little bit more of a betterroutine about going to bed
early, and it helped. It gave mefocus to have the yoga practice,
intense practice in. Morning tobe able to practice massage
therapy as my career andprofession, and then the

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philosophical component fitperfectly, in my opinion, for my
desire to deepen myunderstanding of the meaning of
my existence. Were you workingin the massage field? So, yeah,
right after it, right. Soanother thing I've always the
strategy I've always taken thatif I'm going to invest money in
learning something, I want tomake that same amount of money
back in the thing that Ilearned. Right? When I took my

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permaculture courses, I waslike, I'm going to work in
permaculture and make that moneyback. I didn't want to just,
like, take courses and not usethem, right? I didn't want to
just take classes and then justgo to the next thing break even.
My whole thing was like, if I'mgoing to do something, I'm gonna
actually turn it into a way ofmaking money and bring it back
in. And that really is whattrained me to learn how to do
what I love and learn and earnmaking off to earn a living

(40:51):
doing what I love, which is ahard step. It's really hard to
do that. It takes a lot of gutsto do that. Sure, I never really
knew if I could pull that off.
You know, when I was working forother people in Australia, I
always thought I gotta, I gottafigure out how to be my own
boss, you know, yeah, that wasreally extremely important to
me. I put that on high priorityfor me. I wasn't sure I was
gonna pull that off. But what Iloved about massage therapy is I

(41:13):
could have my table, I couldshow up at your house. I didn't
need to have any overhead, and Icould start earning directly
from the work that I did man,and it is a form of manual
labor, without a doubt, and Itraded one form of manual labor
for another form of manuallabor. But at least in this
direction, I feel like I coulduse my intellect a little bit
more. I love learning about thebody, about the anatomy,
physiology, I really and it wasengrossed in that. And I felt

(41:36):
like when I started practicingthe Hatha Yoga. You know, I was
introduced more into the bhaktiyoga culture yoga, which is a
yoga of devotion and chantingand using mantra. And so when I,
when I came into the Hatha Yogacomponent of the Bikram yoga, I
felt like this. It justsolidified everything for me.
And so I, I dove head in, and Itook two classes a day, at least

(41:58):
every day, or two classes a day,and I was practicing massage
therapy. You're in Florida. Now,I'm in Florida. I'm into Cuesta.
I'm living here at Cuesta. Andat that point I had, I had met
somebody, and, you know, I hadthis dream of, well, I had asked
somebody, they had asked me,what type of massage you're

(42:19):
gonna learn. And I, I said, Iactually let me get my timeline
right here. What is the order ofthe operations? I feel like,
what happened here is, oh, inthe process of getting ready to
go back to Australia to finalizesome of my loose ends, I also
incorporated a trip to Thailandto study Thai massage, and I

(42:39):
went to Chiang Mai. I traveledall around Thailand. That was,
sorry I didn't insert that in,but that was around about the
Indonesia trip, going to Bali. Iwent to Thailand, and I got a
chance to study with a Thaimassage master in Chiang Mai
named Chang kala set a corn at aschool called ITM in Northern
Thailand, in Chiang Mai. Andthat, for me was a huge

(43:00):
synthesis, because I'd startedpracticing yoga when I was the
Hatha Yoga, the Bikram yoga,while I was going to the massage
school, I was loving body workand I was loving practicing
yoga. And someone said, What doyou want to learn? And I said, I
don't know. They said, Well,have you ever heard of Thai
massage? I'm said, What's that?
They said, it's the blend ofyoga and and body work. And I

(43:22):
was like, oh, so I, when I gotto Thailand, I've just
absolutely fell in love with theThai people and the Thai culture
and Thai massage I did mycourse. How long were you there?
I spent, I was in six weeks inThailand. I spent, I think
studying time is somewhat likebetween a month to six weeks,

(43:42):
and that was absolutely amazing.
Chunk call, set of corn is justsuch an incredible teacher. I
love you. Chunk call, and thankyou. And I fell in love with
Thai massage, and I knew that inthere, this is what I'm gonna
now. I mean, you know,everything is like you learn

(44:03):
something and you refine it, andyou grow that, and you learn
something new, and you pull thatinto the fold, and you slowly
build one step, one layer, oneat a time. And at this point, it
was just for me. It was justchasing my passion and trying to
build it up as a business as Iwould go, so I could afford to
do what I wanted to learn, butalso afford to live and vice

(44:23):
versa. You've got a vision now.
How to vision kind of look likeyou've had all these experiences
around the world. I knew what Iwanted to do, and I found it. I
found it. And at this point, Iwas pretty clear that I wanted
to be a yoga teacher and Iwanted to practice Thai massage
and and so after coming backfrom that whole trip, coming

(44:47):
back practicing time massage,still practicing yoga, my Bikram
yoga teacher said, Todd, youshould do Bikram yoga teacher
training. And I'm like, at thispoint, I'm kind of like, still
not really knowing about Bikramand Ashtanga and Iyengar. I
mean, I heard those words as Iwas going along, but I didn't
understand what that reallymeant. To have a guru
differences and to have alineage and a difference between

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I didn't do any research onBikram. I had no idea what I was
getting into. Oh, boy. And yeah,man, exactly. So I take off to
go to Bikram yoga teachertraining in California, Beverly
Hills had to get a loan, tookout a loan from the bank to pay
for it. It's about a $7,000training, five grand for the

(45:33):
training, two for accommodation.
And I, oh my gosh, maybe whatI'll do, I could, I'll tell you
this story fast speed. Okay, andthen I could go back and fill in
gaps. You don't, you know, someother time I want to try to nail
this in anhour. No, one hour, all right,
but, but, but there's so muchmore than I want to hear. So

(45:54):
much to each of these stories wedo, like, 30 minutes after this
one hour. Just kind of like,roll these out. Great
idea. People are interested. Ifyou, if you want to hear more
stories, reach out, email me,send me a message, and I'll keep
going. If you're like, I don'twant to hear about Todd, don't
email me. I've heard it up. Giveme feedback. All right. Oh yeah.

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So beacon yoga teacher training.
Holy cow. What a man, what ananimal. Oh, what an intense
challenge. So that being said, Icome back, I get a job, no no
before I go to become teachertraining, I gotta back up,
because this is probably themost important detail of my

(46:35):
life, is I met my wife, Tamara,working at I got a job at a spa
doing massage therapy in BoyntonBeach, and I come in and there's
Tamara work in the front desk asthe manager in Boynton and she's
a yeah in Boynton Beach, and shewas The esthetician and the

(46:58):
manager, and she was doingfacials, and, man, I think I
just got to give Tamara credit,because I would not be here now,
mentally, emotionally, theincredible children that We have
together the business that we'vebeen able to build and grow over

(47:22):
the last 19 years here at Nativeyoga center. I mean, she's the
love of my life. She's my soulmate, and she's really got me
through some really incrediblytough times, and her just
steadiness and her her humor andher just ease with life and the
way that she's just been thegreatest partner I could ever

(47:50):
dream of. I met her. I met her.
I met my soulmate. Yeah, I wentthrough I went through the
ringer. I went through theringer. Man, I really did, I
went through the ringer. But Ijust knew when I met her, I knew
I found what I'd been dreamingof. And so when we met, and we

(48:15):
were and I was like, You got tocome to Bikram yoga, and she
started practicing yoga with me,and then I'd already been
planning to go do the training.
So I went to the training. Icame back, and I was so blown
away. I said, Tama, you gotta godo it. She's like, all right.
And she went out there and shedid it. She came back, and we
got an offer to run the Bikramyoga studio Mira Mesa, San
Diego, through Karen and Markdross, Thank you, Karen and

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Mark, that was an incredibleopportunity. There's so many
people that I could bring up andjust thank along my journey. And
I apologize to anybody that Idid not name, because there's
hundreds of you so but I'm verygrateful to Karen and Mark and
they, they gave us theopportunity to to co own with
them. Bikram yoga, mirror,Mason, San Diego. We went out to

(48:58):
San Diego, and I'm practicingmassage therapy, and we're
teaching yoga classes there. Igot to integrate and meet all of
Tamara's family or grandfather,uncle or aunt or her family from
from, yeah, she was born andraised in Newport Beach area,
okay? And we had the best timeliving out in California and

(49:18):
exploring Baja and going surfingall over California, going
snowboarding and, man, I loveCalifornia, yeah, yeah, so and
so, that was absolutely amazing.
And at that point, I want to sayin 2005 we just hit this point
of, like, you know, we gotta getout of Bikram yoga. And we oh,

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let me back up 2004 I was like,Tamara, there's got to be a
little bit more to this. And Ireally want to go to India. And
she's like, let's do it. And wewent to India and we practice.
We did a round the world tripwhere we went there. We went
back to Australia. I again, tryto type a few loosens there.
That's a long story with. Thecamera, okay, I took her to
Western Australia, showed herwhere I my stomping grounds, in

(50:04):
Margaret River. We went toThailand together. I got to
continue my studies and trainingwith my teacher Chung call, and
she studied Thai massage with mein Chiang Mai. And then from
there, we went to back tosouthern Thailand, and we took
our first astanga class withRalph najakat down in coping.
Yang. Love you, Roth. Ralph,passed away. Ralph, I know
you're listening to me rightnow, if I could call you from

(50:28):
Heaven down right now. Thankyou, Roth. Oh my gosh. And then
Roth set us on course. Man, Rothset us right on course. And we
went to India and we studiedwith patabi Joyce and Sharat.
Was that your first ajanga classwith Rolf, yeah, and coping
Yang, oh, my god. That was Oh mygosh.
That feel, that feel differentfrom

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the Oh yeah. Well, that story.
So Rolf is in the middle ofnowhere in a bamboo bungalow on
stilts on a hill where theysaid, Okay, by the time we took
the train from Bangkok down toSurat Thani, the overnight boat
from Surat Thani to Copen Yang.
You take the taxi from copenyangto had Rin. You take the boat

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from ha Rin all the round tohaudenom. You get there's no
cars. You get your backpack out.
We go to the sanctuary like youcan't stay here. We go the next
place you can't stay here. Thenwe go to ha Rin. We find a place
to stay in this incrediblebungalow in the jungle and the
island of coping. For those ofyou that watched the White
Lotus, we were there at the thatthat beach, one of those

(51:31):
beaches, it was filmed in KohSamui and coping, and someone's
like, Okay, go to the rock. Makea right. Go up to the tree,
climb that trail, come up, andyou're gonna see a hut. And we
come up, and all we hear islike, who's I breathing? We hear
fun feet coming on the ground,the band. We're like, what's

(51:51):
going on up there? We look up.
We pick our heads up. We crawlup the light. We pick our heads
up. We look at and all thesepeople from around the world
doing first, second, third,fourth series, hand standing
legs behind head, contortionyoga, we looked at each other.
We said, let's get out of here.
Crazy. We are the wrong place.
This is the most advanced yogagroup, nothing like Bikram yoga.

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Can't even touch right? No way.
What was going on in theIstanbul world, and what we saw
and the energy, the energy wasso dynamic energy. It was a time
in history where I am sograteful. I'm so grateful John,
that I had a chance. It waslike, I mean, that's where, you
know, here, where he been here19 years. I draw upon that every

(52:37):
day when I show you, yeah,because it was just so magical.
It was the energy was so raw andreal, and the people were so
amazing. I love the Ashtangacommunity. So, yeah. So then we
went to India. We got to studywith patabi Joyce and who both
have passed away as well now. Imean, I feel so grateful to have
the opportunity to hang withToby Joyce man, and how long did

(52:59):
you spend there? And we spent,we spent a month practicing with
them the my source. We were amonth with Ralph and coping
Yang, a month in India withTommy Joyce. And then on the way
home, we from India, we had anincredible adventures there. We
went to Spain and landed inMadrid and went to a restaurant,
and we went to the bathroom.

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There's toilet paper. And wecame back to Miami and and and
visited my family, went back toCalifornia and realized, you
know what, let's, let's open ourown studio in Juneau Beach,
Florida. Let's, or let's comeback to Palm Beach County. Let's
set up shop here. This is whereI'm from. This is where I was
born. Tara was on board. We didit. We came back in 19 years

(53:42):
ago. We opened up in 2006 andyou and I are sitting in the
same room that we will actuallyopened up on that side of the
that side of the room overthere, and then we built this
one in 2009 but then we've beenhere. We just celebrated our 19
year anniversary. And betterthan I do, studios don't last 19
years. Most yoga studios cannotlast 19 years unless there's
something really special aboutthat studio. Well, thank you. I

(54:04):
mean, thank you. I mean, I'vebeen practicing for a while, and
I see studios come and go withina year and to stick around for
19 years. You know, with withyour soul mate, working with
you. I mean, that's blessing.
That's man, you've done anincredible job here. Incredible
job.
Thank you, John and having youand Mandy here is like you guys

(54:25):
have been so supportive. Andever since I started this
podcast five years ago, Istarted at March 27 on my
daughter's birthday and mydaughter priyas birthday on
March 27 of 2020 when the worldwas falling apart, and this was
a rehabilitative project forhim, I got a chance to reach out

(54:47):
to the international community.
Because, you know, when you staylocal in one little spot, after
you travel the world, you wantto be all over the world, right,
right, right. And this, thisavenue, has given me an
opportunity to connect withprofessionals in this field.
Yeah, for. Um, all over theworld. I think what this will be
like episode number 220 or so,219, 220, and so, you know, for
me, it's a labor of love,because I yoga is my life. Yoga

(55:10):
and meditation has pulled mefrom the abyss, from that moment
when I landed on my back and I,you know, was struggling through
really traumatic event andevents in my past, in my
childhood, and to now be able tolook back and say, I'm here.
There's a purpose here, for areason. I've gone through

(55:33):
believing in God. I've gonethrough not believing in God.
I've gone through every type ofdifferent meditation technique
and every facet of yogaphilosophy I can come across,
from Buddhism, Christianity,Judaism, Hinduism, I try to
study and read and learn andmeditate and process every day

(55:55):
of my life. I woke up thismorning at five and practice
meditation, and had one of thedeepest, most profound
meditative experiences of mylife this morning. No joke,
really, no joke. Wow. I mean, itwas, I won't, I'll save that for
another story, but I thinkthere, there's this stuff is

(56:17):
real. Man, this stuff works,yeah, I promise you. And it will
pull you through the darkest ofthe darkest, and it'll take you
to the highest of the high, Imean, and you can do it all
completely sober, right? Youknow, I've had my bouts of
experimentation of all sorts ofdifferent things, and I really
keep coming back to yoga andmeditation and body work and

(56:39):
just so. So I guess you knowthat is my last that's my life
in a nutshell, and I'm trying. Iwanted to make it brief and
concise, but also try to conveysome of why do what I do, why
I'm here and why I'm never I'mnot giving up. No, I'm gonna

(57:04):
give up. I'm not thinking aboutgiving up. But, you know, we
have challenges. We have bigchallenges, here and there, but,
but like everybody does, it'sgonna say you're not alone.
Don't give up. Yeah, whateveryou do, don't give up. And
strive to find your personaltruth and and start exactly
where you are. You do not haveto travel the world. Everything

(57:26):
is right here inside of us, justgonna mess you know, not out
there. You're not in anothercountry. Your experience
traveling the worlddidn't necessarily have to be
where to get to where you aretoday, agreed? I mean, it did
but, but you could do it withouttrack.
Agreed, you don't have to go andtry to find a guru. You don't

(57:49):
have to go and try to find theperfect paradise to live in.
You. Don't you make it where youare. What would you
suggest you are your own guru?
Somebody. And said, Todd,thought, How do I start? You
know, I just listened to yourpodcast. Incredible experience.
What you you know, what you'vedone and created. But how do I
start? I wouldsay just wherever you are right
now, close your eyes and beginmeditating. Good advice. Don't

(58:12):
really even try to look for Imean, if you're gonna need
guidance? Maybe you might not. Iget guidance from people. I get
lots of guidance. I'm constantlyseeking guidance, yeah, so I'd
say we need guidance. I givethat, I take that back. I mean,
I pray for help and guidanceevery day, yeah? So, but I also

(58:34):
believe it's got to come fromwithin, and it can come from all
from within. So I think that.
And then once you sit and youmeditate and you're like, Okay,
I'm eyes closed, or my eyesopen, and I'm just like, really
feeling and aware that I'mconscious, I'm a conscious

(58:55):
being, then that's really it. Imean, it's like, that's the
starting that's the story. Itjust grows. And yeah, it just
depends on how far and wide youwant to go, yeah, yeah.
Sounds great. Cool man. Todd,thanks for so much for sitting
down with me today. Yeah,facilitating this. Yo,
no, you bought a lot of time andenergy, and you've been, you and

(59:18):
I have been working, talking toeach other, interviewing like
this for hours. Yeah, and we hadaccumulated so much information
that I had this feeling of likeit's gonna take me forever to
publish all this and to skinthrough it and and also the
process that you've taken methrough to get to this point
today has been extremelytherapeutic, because I'm seeing
my story from a different anglenow, and maybe able to like

(59:41):
process it in a different way.
And having the chance to talk toyou has helped me to reformulate
my vision or my view of mynarrative, and understand my
narrative, and it is anarrative. So I mean, I mean,
I'll just be honest with you. Weall have our narratives. So once
you become aware of yournarrative, and you start
telling. Your I'm telling mystory, you tell your story, tell
our story. Yeah, it gets clear.

(01:00:05):
And I think that's verytherapeutic, so I have to, I'm
very grateful for you all thetime you've invested. No, it's
been a pleasure, you know,because your stories are
intriguing to me. And that's oneof the things that, you know, we
have an hour show here today,which is gonna, you know, be
great, but there's more.
Because, I mean, I think yourlisteners, I think your
students, are going to reallyappreciate getting to know you a

(01:00:25):
little bit better through thisone hour. But I think they may
be as curious as I am as to whatreally happened in Australia,
what really happened in Africa,what did you learn in Thailand
and in India? And maybe someadditional shows down the road
to dive a little bit deeper inthose experiences that you had
that really brought you to here.
I think we really cool. Thankyou. John, yeah, all right.

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thank you. Thank you.
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