Isabella Nitschke - Ashtanga Yoga Malmö - Native Yoga Toddcast

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Today I have the distinctpleasure of bringing Isabella
Nitschke to the podcast. Shelives in Sweden, and her website
is AshtangaYogamalmo.se. Thelink is in the description
below. Please go have a look andcheck out Isabella. She's also
on Instagram, and you'll findthe links on her website. And go

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ahead and follow her. She's gotsome great posts, and you can
get a feeling for a nice tightknit yoga community that's
thriving in the south of Sweden.
She offers retreats and she'sjust a really good stable, solid
yoga teacher. And it was realpleasure to speak with her and

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I'm really excited for you tohave a listen. All right on that
note, let's go ahead and begin.
I'm so excited to have IsabellaNitschke here with me today. And
Isabella, how are you doing?

Isabella Nitschke (02:03):
I'm good.
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
It's a pleasure. I appreciateyou taking time out of your day.
You're joining us from Sweden.
Am I correct? Yes. Are you bornmama, mama. Thank you. Are you
born? Are you born and raised inSweden? No, no, I'm not. I'm
from Germany. Got it? How many?

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My mother is Swedish? Nice. Andyour dad was German? Yeah, he is
German. And I came to Swedenwhen I was six.
Because my parents got divorced.
And then I kind of grew up herewent to school. And then I left
when I was 18. And then I cameback.

Where did you go when you were 18.

I went to study in France. In England, I
went to the city in Champaign. Iwent to study French at
university and literature. Andthen after I kind of moved a bit
back and forth, and I startedstudying at university and then
my study took me abroad and thenI ended up really not ever

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coming back until until well nowit's 10 years ago.

Nice. And at what point did you find Ashtanga
Yoga.

That was a lot later, I think I had my
first encounter with yoga. WhenI lived in Amsterdam in 2002. I,
I've always been a very activeperson. So I used to play
basketball and go to the gym,things like that. And then I had

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some leg pain that I got. I wasa spinning teacher and in my
spare time, and I had beenoverdoing it a little bit. So I
got some leg pain. And then Igot introduced to hostile yoga.
Which I thought was Yeah,because it was the slope. I was
used to more pace and morebreathing. And yeah, I ended up

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googling or searching on theinternet. I don't remember if
there was Google yet in 2003.
And I found David Swensons DVD.
And that's how I started. Ibought it I put it in the DVD
player. I did it to the best ofmy ability.

Isabella.
That's so cool. Because rightabout that same exact time in
2003. That's how I practice myfirst Ashtanga class. Well, as
well was opening up Yoga JournalMagazine, seeing David Swensons
little ad in there, and methinking I was in a different
type of yoga and I thought whatis this Ashtanga thing
everyone's talking about? And Iordered his DVD and actually VHS

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I'm thinking right, it was VHSat the time, wasn't it? No, I

got I got a DVD, I think Oh, cool. Yeah, I
have a DVD.

You're ahead of me. I don't know how. And that's
amazing. That's so cool to hear.
Is that a that's an interestingway to start as at what were
your first thoughts when you putDavid's video on. And you
started, okay, you were doinghatha yoga. And then you started
trying to do this thing calledprimary series. What were some
of the first thoughts that youhad?

Well, I really enjoyed the briefing.
That was and I really enjoythat. He's so pedagogical, and
so calm, even when he's showinglike his handstands and stuff. I
didn't feel I you know, I didn'tfeel stupid at all. Because of
the way he was presentingthings. And what I really

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thought I remember thinkingspecifically that some of the
things were really crazy, like,sittin sitting on your foot,
like that Johnny D, I thought,my God, how is this possible?
Why should you sit on your foot?
I was a runner also. So my feetwere very stiff. So that was
very painful for me. And I havevery open hips, since always, so

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a lot of the nose. And all thatstuff wasn't. It wasn't
difficult. So I didn't thinkmuch about that. Yeah. Yeah, I
was. I was intrigued. Yeah,definitely. And that's probably
what kept me You know, I gotwarm. There was a pay. And
that's what kept me doing itkept me coming back. And then I

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put it in the DVD player again,the next week. I wouldn't do it
every day. I would do it when Ifelt like doing it. And and then
it became more and more often.

Yeah. That's really cool. When was the first
time you were able to step intoa room with a group of people
with a teacher?

ashtanga yoga,

or other yoga?
Ashtanga? Yeah.

Probably four years later, then I'd been doing
it on my own three times a weekwith a DVD for four years.
Because I lived in China at thetime where I got the DVD just
before moving to China. And inChina, there was no teachers.
The only thing that wasavailable was some Bikram yoga.

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And I, I went into a couple ofclasses, but there wasn't really
Yeah, I enjoyed doing it beforework on my own. And that was not
an option with the Bikram yoga.
So then I ended up just havingto do it on my own. And it heals
my injury that I had when Istarted. And then I started to
feel the benefits of the of thepractice, like mentally. So

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that's how I kept doing it. Andthen we moved back to Brussels
to Belgium, where I lived beforemoving to China. And then I had
the opportunity to go to see ateacher there. But she went to
Mysore straight after, so Ididn't have much time with her.
And then I didn't see my reallike, first real nicer teacher

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until five, after I had had theDVD for five years. When I moved
to London. Then I found theteacher because in London,
there's a lot of teachers. Andthen I went into my classroom
for the first time. Yeah, that'sreally cool. 2009 2009. So I've
been going with my DVD for fiveyears.

What did what did the teacher think having you
come in saying this is the firsttime I'm actually in a
classroom? And then I'm thinkingthat you probably were pretty
proficient with primary series.
By the time you entered intothat studio. Were they surprised
at how good you were consideringit was your first time?

No, the only thing I couldn't really do was
headstand because I was afraid.
So I'd never ever stood on myhead. But after I think after
only a few weeks, she put meinto intermediate series and
started teaching me untilDouglas Ross and I think and
this was October 2009. Andactually before that I'd been to

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one week teacher course withDavid Swensen in London. So
that's how I then got into themitre room because I was really
inspired by by by him coming andI got to meet him finally. And
then I started doing the micropractice. So yeah, she put me

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into intermediate intostraightaway. And then my first
thought was, well, this is whatI've been waiting for. Because I
have I've had some issues withdepression and for me primary
series is we To grounding, and Ifelt that it was weighing me

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down a lot. And when I got tostart intermediate series, I
just felt this uplifting thisstimulation. It was just
amazing. It was like, wow. Andthen then I was really stuck.
That's cool. Yeah.

Would you agree that David has such an amazing
personality and style ofteaching? I find he's, I love
being around David. I think he'sin pretty amazing teacher.

Yeah, he's wonderful. He's so humble. And
he's funny. He's very grounded.
And yeah, I love him. Yeah, Ihaven't seen him now for more
than 10 years. But yeah, he'samazing. Yeah, I hear ya, are
you I'm very grateful for forhim putting that DVD out there
at the time. And also doing thattraining with him at the time

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that I had moved to London wasvery useful for me.

I know I always find the element of how when he
did that, that that was socutting edge at the time,
because you're right, when youmake mention about doing a
computer search in 2003, it's,it's it's hard to really
remember the dial up situation,and then how limited that was in
the actual amount of informationthat we could get in relation to

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nowadays with social media,YouTube, and the likes. It's
like we have more than we couldever imagine in front of us. But
I remember David mentioning howhe got into a little bit of
like, trouble for releasing allof that information out there
into the public. And now lookingback, that just seems like it's
no big deal at all. But I thinkI agree with you. And you say,

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I'm so thankful that he put thatstuff, how you put his DVDs and
his books and his teachingmaterials to make it accessible
for those of us that didn't haveaccess to teachers. It's
interesting to me that it was socutting edge, you know, that was
a big deal.

Yeah, I mean, also, there were so few teachers
around back then there was like,if you weren't in a big hub,
like London, or yeah, there,there was hardly anyone and now
there are so many everyone true.
It's a really been like a bigchange, big change.

So Isabella, you all do you own a yoga
studio?

I run a yoga studio. Yeah. It's, it's a bit.
It's called a Stanley or themoment. But I don't own it in
the way that I don't own thespace and I don't rent the
space. I have a partnership withkind of in Sweden, we have these

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sort of education for adults.
And there are many kinds ofnonprofit organizations that run
this type of state sponsoredtraining and everything from
photo photography, literature,languages, dance, and yoga. So
they have a they have a studio,close to where I live. And we

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have a partnership in that waythat I run a few courses within
their type of setting, and thenI have my micro program within
their premises. Nice. So in thatway, we have a partnership.

That sounds appealing to me, it sounds a
little less stressful thanholding a five year lease and
having the commitment to youknow, pay rent. Is it is it as
good as it sounds? Are thereany? Yeah. Are there? Are there
any downsides? Of course theyare good point. Good point.

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Yeah, but that sounds cool.
Well, you don't have to tell mea downside. But what is the
pressure point for you? Well,not setting? Well,

the thing is, you know, if you you're in a
partnership, and there are likethe studio is chaired, you will
have to share, like the spacewith people who might not always
take care of the premises andthe way that you would like,
yeah, which causes frustrationsometimes. And the other thing

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is, so the other thing is thatwhen you share with someone, you
can't do entirely what you want.
Yeah, I can't leave my stuffeverywhere. And I can't really
design it the way it would wantto. Maybe not as clean as I
would like it to be in terms ofnot being you know, responsible
for at least, and having thateconomic burden. Everything. In

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Sweden it's also very strictwith all the insurances and all
the side costs that are notincluded in the rent. So it
would be for me Since I'm alone,it would be impossible to hold a
studio and pay all the costs andalso pay for my own apartment,
for example, I wouldn't be ableto afford both. Yes. So then I

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would have to live in the studioif I had my own. But that's not
allowed in Sweden, you can'tlive in your business. So this
is a really good solution. Itwas a really good solution
during COVID. When, when weobviously had less students
coming, and then less income,which means that, you know, for

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other studios, maybe they had toclose down because they couldn't
get enough people or enoughincome to cover the rent for the
studio. But because we had thepartnership that that was, we
had we were open throughoutCOVID. Physically, I didn't lose
that much money.

Wonderful. That does sound like a good type of
situation have been through theeconomic challenge of those
years. Was Sweden, more openthan other countries around the
world?

Yeah, we were we we didn't we didn't go into
lockdown. But we did have a lotof restrictions with you know,
how many people would wereallowed in a space. At the same
time, we have a big studio with,like the Sharla itself, this
space where we practice is 120square meters. And for each 10

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square meter, you would beallowed one person, which means
in this huge space where youcould fit 40 People 35 People,
you wouldn't be allowed to have12 people maximum. And
obviously, with a micro program,or micro class, you'll have
rotation. So people come and goall the time, but still
obviously, limiting. But yeah,so we had restrictions in place.

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But we I think we were a lotfreer than many other countries
in the world. Yes, I thinkthat's good. Also, because in
Sweden, most people, themajority of people live alone.
Like, there are the most singlehouseholds in the world, I think
in Sweden. So if we would havegone into lockdown, I think

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people would have gotten really,really depressed. Also, with the
darkness here and the winter, itwould have probably been
devastating from from thataspect. And I think the
government thought of that whenthey they didn't go they decided
to not go into lockdown. Theythought about the consequences
that wouldn't come further on,like for people with mental

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health, and so on. If if theydid go towards lockdown,

that's so interesting. I didn't realize
that statistic or that there's alot of people that are living
alone. So that's seems wise onthe behalf of the governing
bodies to actually weigh that.
You know, I've never livedsomewhere where the sun doesn't
come up for many hours of theday. We're in winter right now.
How how many hours of sunlightDo you have where you are in

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Sweden?

In Sweden, I'm in the south. So if you do
you know where Denmark andCopenhagen is? Yes. Yeah. So
we're just there as a bridgebetween Copenhagen and Malmo. So
I'm just, we're just across. Sowe're very much in the in the
south of Sweden, which meansit's not that dark. The sun does
go up. But it's often verycloudy. So. But yeah, I would

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say maybe for six hours a day,from from nine in the morning to
three or four in the afternoon.
We would have like daylight, butthen you know, the 10 is dark.
Yes. It's shifting now, though.
going in the right direction. Sowe're, after the 22nd of

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December. We're always veryhopeful. It goes in

the right direction. Right. Things are
getting better from here.

Yeah. Getting Fed are getting lighter.

Things are getting brighter. Yeah. What
have your thoughts been? We justcelebrated, you know, New Year
2023. Do? I know it's just anarbitrary, you know, number and
it's just another day? I totallyunderstand that. But do you feel
optimistic about this year? Whatare your feelings and thoughts
in relation to just everythingwe've been through in the last

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few years and where things areheaded this currently?

Yeah, I'm very optimistic. I think what
I've seen in the past six monthsat least is the Sharla becoming
more alive again. We are able totake in guest teachers and do
live events that we were notallowed to do during COVID
because of the restrictions ofpeople in a room and not being

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able to touch each other and soon. So yeah, I'm very, I'm very
optimistic in terms of thatSharla is coming more and more
alive again, and we're comingback to what it was like in
2018. Almost to our 2019.
Office. Yes. So that's, that'snice. And people are visiting

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from abroad, which was alsorestricted, obviously, before.
So we have more internationalstudents also coming by. Yeah,
it's, it's lovely, we have quitea few things lined up. And not
only the retreat we were talkingabout before we we started
recording, so I have a retreatin one week in Tenerife. And

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then after that, we have severalguest teachers coming up. I
think the program is fullalready until October.

Nice.
Congratulations. That does feelgood, doesn't it? Yeah,

it's a lot of work, because I'm doing it all
on my own. So it's a lot ofwork. I'm teaching and I'm doing
all the bookkeeping and all theeverything, the website, the
social media, everything on myown. But yeah, it's, it's
awesome, then then it's nicewhen when you when you can, you
know, when you see the resultsand things can happen. And you

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you really, you can invitepeople to come, you know, that's
my,

I agree. And on that note, you do a wonderful
job on your social media. That'show I found you, as via the
hashtag a song, the link onInstagram, and I really enjoy
reading your posts. And I thinkyou do a great job. So well done
to to manage all those things ischallenging. Is this your full

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time profession?

Yeah, it has been since 2009. Nice. But I
haven't had the studio longerthan we've run a standard yoga
mamas since 2013. So this yearis actually 10 year anniversary.

Congrats. And yours, right? So to make it 10
years as a professional yogainstructor, is a big deal. Do
you ever sometimes think like,my wife and I run our studio
here in Florida, and we I have apartner to share the workload

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with I liked the fact that youmentioned that in relation to
owning a studio you had saidlike the way the Partnership
does really work well for you isin terms of the fact that you
are doing it alone. It's so muchwork as it is that you are Curie
wonder if it would be possibleif you didn't have a support
system. And I have to give a lotof credit to my wife in the

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sense that I wouldn't be able todo this if I did not have a
support system like it does takeso much work continuously. Do
you? Do you have people helpingyou? It sounds like I know
you're like the you're managingeverything. But do you have
other teachers that are helpingyou either in the Mysore room or
hold down led classes? Or is itsolely you?

Now now I have a few teachers doing some
evening classes. So we offer yinyoga as well. I have a long term
student of mine who is nowteaching yoga and meditation.
And then we I have anotherstudent that is also my
assistant she teaches like halflead miter in the evening. Also

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covers for me if I'm not there.
Yes. And so yeah, there are acouple of teachers, they are not
paid by me. They're paid by theevening school that we're in
partnership with because becauseI'm had to say I'm self
employed, so I can't have anyemployees. But the so so the way
it is that they they teach theseclasses or courses within the

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partnership that we have with,with the with this evening
school, and they still run underour name and their names. So
it's a win win situation, theyget money, we get money. And
they do some of the marketingand we do some of the marketing

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and then we kind of we kind ofbenefit from it both. So So
yeah, that's the way that we canhave classes both evening and
morning. Before, up until 2018.
I did it all by myself. So I wasteaching six mornings and four

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evenings a week, and we had theSalah in two cities. So we had
two separate studios so I had togo back and forth every day and
teach either morning or eveningin one place. And then I taught
a lot for free because that wasthe only way to get it up and
running to get enough people tocome So I was teaching evening

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classes, all of them for free.
So that we would, you know,provide something so that we
would get more people in,basically. But there wasn't
enough money coming in for me toget paid for everything. But
then when we got enough people,I was able to then hand over the
classes to others, I didn't wantother people to teach for free.
So that's why I was doing it.

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And then when we got enoughpeople and could pay for the
evening classes, then they gavethe classes to someone to other
people. So that's how, that'show we started, basically. And
we started with evening microclasses, because people were not
used to doing it in the morning.
And then we offered selfpractice in the morning. And it
used to be only me and one otherperson. And then we slowly
throughout the years shifted,and shifted, and hardly anyone

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wants to come in the eveninganymore. So that's why we have
more like a course space. Theones that we haven't evenings
are like courses more, thatpeople don't have to sign up for
eight weeks, and then they youknow, so then then it's more
than it's easier to get peopleto come in the evening. Cool.
Yeah.

Oh, my gosh, I have so many questions for you.
I'm one so you're runningeverything. And if an aspiring
or a budding yoga teacher islistening to us, I think it's
important that we're honestabout the challenges of taking
on the role of holding down aprogram and how full time it is.

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And you know, continuous Theworkload is, what are like the,
what's the most the thing you'dlike to do the least? And then
what's the thing that you getthe most joy out of, in the
experience of holding down aprogram the way you are?

Well, the thing I like to do the least is
to get up at 10am get up in themorning. You could hear me
swear, like, every morning, Iwake up as like, the first word
that I say out loud is a swearword.

Well, what time is your? What time is your alarm
going off?

I don't practice before teaching
anymore. I used to do that for afew years. Back when when was
when was that like 2015 1617? Igot off before teaching. But I
don't do that anymore. It's notgood for my health. So I
practice after teaching. I ageda lot when I practiced at three

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in the morning, I just could seehow bass was dropping, and they
always horrible. So I justdecided no, it's not good for my
health. So I'm a bit vain. So Iadmit that

I'm with you on the same on the same page. So
we're in good company here. ButI'm curious. Like so what time
do your classes start out? Thenwhat time do you need to be at
the studio?

Yeah, so I get up at 10 to five, I have to
be at the school opening at six.
And then I teach until justbefore nine and then I do my
practice. And people can comeand practice at the same time.
So I've got the studios open forself practice. So if people like
work late, or for whateverreason can't make it for class

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they can come after and practiceat the same time as I do. And
that's five days a week. And onthe Sunday, we still teach on
Sundays, not Saturdays. It's themicro program is at nine. So
then I usually I go off andpractice before teaching on
Sunday. And then I teach in theevenings as well, like it's a

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beginners course on Mondayevening. So and then I have I
work also with yoga for mentalhealth and stress reduction. So
I teach a course in that aswell. And that's also evening by
so it's going to be eating bothin in the springtime. What is
quite a full on,

that's a full on schedule, for sure. And so
like if you're waking up at 10minutes to five, to be there to
teach at six to practicebeforehand. You're getting up at
3am Maybe I would

I would I would Yeah, I would have to get
up at three practice. And thatwas just insane.

Yeah, I know it sounds like you were able to
give it like a good three tofour year push. And I used to do
the same I get up you know, getup at 334 o'clock come in
practice and start teaching andI was able to maintain it for a
little while and then my I justwas like, Oh my God, I don't
think I can. I am not happy.

And so my goal was being jet lagged all
the time. Yeah, it's awful. Andthen, you know, it messes with
your blood sugar, your appetite,hormones. It's just not worth
it. Yeah.

Okay, now your most favorite thing about
running a program like whatbrings you the most Joy, I know
there's a lot of things, butwhat's something that you just
really get a kick out of?

I don't know, it's there, as you say, there
are so many things, I can justtake one thing from this
morning, we had about sevenpregnancies during COVID. And
all of them have, I think all ofthem have practiced to some
extent during the, during the,during the pregnancy. And so
this morning, one of the newestbabies came into the shoreline

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and lay on the, on the, on theground on a blanket practicing
or what was his mother waspracticing next to him. And it
was just, it's so nice to justbe the like, first you see the
whole belly growing, and thenyou just you don't know who's
inside. And then you have aquite close relationship to the

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mother. And then today, so themother came in, and then the
baby was helped him. So he waslying there. And this just is I
know, it's the community. closeyou get to people, this caring.
Just, yeah, it's, yeah, thisenergy that that that people are

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around have around them. It'sjust wonderful,

great answer, I would agree with. That's a good
one. Can I get to

see how people develop? You know, like,
here you see the pregnancydeveloping, there's new person
coming out and, but just as wellwith the other people, you know,
I have people practicing, theoldest one is 78 and a half
years old, and the youngest oneis maybe just still teenager,
you know, that's the range of myother practitioners coming to

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the Sharla. age wise, you know,and it's just amazing to see the
diversity, and all thesedifferent personalities and
bodies. You know, how theydevelop as people or Yeah,
everything.

That's so cool.
You and you you have apractitioner who said is 78 that
I heard you right? Yeah, that'swonderful. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Can
you my mom, it's your mom.
That's so awesome. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, she's so stubborn.

She's so stubborn. I, I won't get all
emotional or anything. But my mymom needs to practice here every
single day, my mom and dadtogether. And she passed. She
passed last year, almost a yearago now. And she made it very
sorry. Thank you. And she madeit to 76. And, and I was

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thinking today about how one ofthe greatest gifts, I think I've
been given from being able toteach and work with my mom is
she had Alzheimer's. And I wasable to start working privately
with her. And the experience oflearning how to work with
someone who's going throughmemory dysfunction was just such

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an incredible learningopportunity for me that I'm
really thankful for. But when Iheard you say 70, and I'm like,
Whoa, she was close to my mom'sage. So for when you say it's my
mom, I'm like, Oh, that's soamazing. Isabel, you have like,
that's a really specialopportunity. And I love that you
followed it up with She's sostubborn because it's real.

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Don't you agree that it's reallyhard to be your mom's yoga
teacher?

Yeah, it is very hard to have your mom in
the office every day. Imaginehaving you know how it is.
People say Oh, it must be lovelyto have your mom. They're
wonderful. Yeah. Imagine havingyour mom your workplace every
day. No, but it's it's lovely.
And to just also in the past twoyears, it's been very tough
because he she actually gotcancer. So she has practiced

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through her cancer and shesurvived it. And yeah, we still
don't really know what's gonnahappen, but so far Touchwood she
had ovarian cancer. So she'sbeen through major surgery and
chemo and everything, and hadsome bad luck also, with some

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infections along the way. Had todo another major operation
because of that, and but yes, henow she's, since the summer
she's back on the mat every day.
And she was practicing at homeas soon as she was out of bed
and like, the block. She She SheShe was on her mat, even in

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hospital and she wasunconscious. He was having her
legs in there like the doctorswere saying, you know, what's he
doing? Doing yoga? We've neverseen that. 76 he was 76 at the
time, six year old this mobileand probably that's what saved
her that she was so strong tobegin with. But she went from

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doing handstand and pincher togoing with walking with, you
know, one of these, what do theycall it? I don't know what
they're called in English whenyou have this for other people
what they walk with

a walker or Yeah. What is something? So I
mean, I'm guessing that becauseyou're having this experience
that you're learning a wholebunch of different ways to teach
people how to modify. I'm alsoguessing that if you had David
Swensen as one of your firstteachers that you're an Asana

(35:34):
teacher that's open to findingany which way possible for
people to be able to practice.
Am I correct?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I'm not. I
used prop. Yes, I used. I wentto what some of my first
teachers also, were often Marcy,and go up. Yeah, I mean, my
first straightaway, I went toBoston, Marcy, and I learned so
much from them. I planned andI've been to Richard and Mary

(36:10):
are in Boulder, Colorado, and Ialso learned so much from them.

Nice. My wife and I studied with Roth and
Marcy and go out and thencoping, Yang and Thailand. And
Roth was my first officialashtanga yoga practice
situation, which just Oh, wow,totally blew my mind. Completely

wonderful person, like a saying,

Oh, my gosh, Roth is like, I love him, right?
We could probably get we couldprobably gush gush for the next,
like, 40 minutes. How freakingawesome. Roth is. I know, I
know, for when Tim and I were onour way to India to practice and
Mysore and, and 2004. But beforethat, we were in Thailand, and I

(37:00):
met a person in NorthernThailand. He say, I wouldn't
even go to India. He said,There's this guy named Rolf,
that's teaching dining copinggang, you should go and study
with him. And so we were reallyintrigued. And I went on Ross
website, and it said, Nobeginners, and I was like, and
we were totally beginners. Like,we had no idea. We didn't know
the sequence or anything. And I,I wrote Roth and I'm like, rah,
you know, I promise I'll be agood student, you know, like,

(37:23):
like, Would it be okay, if wecome? And he's like, yes. Okay.
It's okay. If you come in thefirst day, we kind of went up
this hill, like, people werelike, Okay, take a ride at the
rock, and take a left at thetree that has like the red
ribbon tied around it. And wekind of made our way up the
hill. And we picked our headout, we had to climb up the
steps and picked our head andeverybody was like doing like,
second, third and fourth series.
So he's got a really radicalAsana situation. And we I looked

(37:47):
at Tamra and we both looked ather like she, we got it, we
should go right, like, let's getlet's run. And we're like, No,
we made it this far. We have togo in there. And I mean, the
end, Rolf synergy is just like,how can you explain it? How can
you explain it? Can you explainwhat you feel when you're
practicing when you practicewith Roth, and Marcy is

(38:09):
wonderful as well. So I, I don'twant to just single out Roth,
but

I don't know.
I'm just I'm just laughingbecause I have a similar
experience. Because when I whenI went to India to see well, and
Marcy, that was, end of 2009. Ihad just been, you know, I just
met David, a few months beforeand in London, and I had just
started this my practice inLondon. So I know very much, you

(38:37):
know, I just been when my DVDthere was no I didn't know that
there was something called Dropbag. I didn't know that there
was all this pressure to do allthese things, you know, that you
had to bind and you know, andthen I arrived, like, you know,
I was quite I was very inspiredby the Mysore room and in in

(38:57):
London and all the practitionersthat were there, but still when
I, when then when I arrived inGoa, they were in a hotel, it's
winter, where you have to likewalk up the stairs and you sat
in the stairs. And then asyou're waiting you were moving
up the stairs and I was at thetop then after a while. And I
looked into the room and there'sall these trot had just had a

(39:20):
retreat at purple Valley. Thatwas the year that the puppy
Joyce died. So she shrugged andhad a small retreat at purple
Valley. And it just ended andall the people I met not all
that many of the people that hadbeen there had gone to both
afterwards. So there were allthese senior practitioners. And
there was like people standingup and behind their head,

(39:43):
sweating. It was hot. Everyonewas steaming and doing Dropbox
and tic TOCs. And Marcy wasrunning around. And I was just
like, Oh, my jaw dropped and Isaw this guy. Remember John
Michael Doyle. He's in In. Ithink he's on the West Coast. He
used to be at Yoga works withMarcy as well. And he's standing

(40:06):
there, and Mike is helping himendure. But wow, I want to do
that. And that was like, I hadnever seen anything like it and
how it's like, wow, that's whatI want to do. And I still
remember that moment. It wasjust so I was not intimidated. I
was just like, wow, this is thisis so amazing. I wanted to I

(40:30):
want to do this. Oh, yeah. Andthe energy, as you said in the
room was with Wolf. I don'tknow. Wolf is German. So I speak
German. And so the, the I don'tknow if that changes the
relationship at all, butsomehow, it just felt like,
yeah, somehow felt a lot closer,because I was speaking his

(40:55):
native language and made himvery happy. And yeah, I don't
know. It's just so I can'treally describe the energy. So
Whoa. And so kind. I don't thinkI've ever met anyone so kind,
like so genuinely, genuinely.

(41:17):
Soft person.

Man, good memory. Great.

Really want to go back. But it hasn't been
possible since two that I wasthere the last time in 2011 12.
And I haven't been able to goback after that. Unfortunately.

I my daughter's nine. So we were there before
she was born. It's 2022. So Iguess that's 20 Sorry. 2011.
Does that sound right? Yeah.
2012. So I thought that was thelast time I had seen Rolf and
Marcy was there. And the firsttime I got a chance to meet
Marcy, and what I thought was soamazing, is like Marcy brought

(41:56):
in this incredible IR alignment,understanding. And I'll never
forget doing Kapil Tossa andhaving Rolf and Marcy tag team
on me, and oh, my gosh, like, Idon't know if I want to go back.
And I'm joking. Like, but goingso deep, you know, like, oh, I

(42:19):
don't I don't think I've evergone that deep before. But I do
feel like he's very

disciplined also, so he he will not, you
know, let you get away with.
Yeah, yeah,

everyday practice was like, get ready.
Here we go. So I'm curious,where are you now? Isabella with
your practice in terms of yourown personal practice? Like what
kind of relationship experienceare you having with it these
days?

I do have I still have a daily practice that
practice six days a week, Istill enjoy it a lot. I don't
feel I hear a lot of peopletalking about like that a just
making them you know, having toremove postures or that they're
getting pain. For me. I've neverbeen as strong as I am. Now. I

(43:12):
wasn't that strong. When I was20. I was much weaker or less.
Even though I was into, youknow, fitness and spinning and
running and kickboxing, I wasn'tas strong. And yeah, as I am
now. So I feel that I don't feelthat I have, you know, I'm still
learning stuff. So I'm not, I'mnot thinking that I should. I

(43:36):
don't feel the need to do less.
It doesn't drain me it gives meenergy. And I don't feel and I
don't think I've ever maybe inthe beginning a little bit. I
felt some pain, like when I juststarted doing back bends. But
that's because I was in a reallybad place and my body wasn't
healthy. So but now, I don'thave pain. I mean, of course I

(44:01):
get sore muscles. But I wouldnever I would never do anything
that would cause me pain and Idon't get pain from the
practice. So yeah, I I enjoy it.
I still think it's, you know, Ilearned so much about exploring

(44:23):
you know, the differences fromday to day, but also like trying
to figure out things so that Ican understand my students
better. Yeah.

Yeah.
Excellent, great answer. I'm sohappy to hear that. That's
amazing. Can you can you youmade mention so I hope you don't
mind me bringing this up. But ifyou made mention that you had
struggled with mental health inthe past, and Ashtanga Yoga
really helped you to turn acorner and or manage it and or,

(44:53):
like you said, You're enjoyingyoga and you're feeling good and
you're feeling Good in yourbody. If somebody's listening to
this podcast that is goingthrough maybe the dark night of
the soul or having a reallydifficult time now, is there any
advice you can share and orpersonal experience that could

(45:15):
could help someone or maybe givesome advice?

Well, I think that every journey is
individual. So what works for memight not work for someone else.
I think that's important to say.
And what I can say is that, asalso yoga practitioner for

(45:43):
mental health, I would neveradvise a student to just do yoga
and drop everything do yoga canbe a really good complement to
other traditional like, medicineor therapy, but it should not
like you should not excludeother things. I think it's

(46:03):
important to, like, approachyour health, mental or physical
in a holistic way. For me, thekind of regularity of coming to
the map, like doing it everyday, or every second day, as I

(46:26):
did, in the beginning, wascreating a routine that kept me
I think, that kept me sane. Sohaving this routine to get on
the mat, and to just listen inwords, I think is important, or
it was important for me. Andthen just, I don't know, it's,
it's very easy, at least forsome people that when you're

(46:51):
depressed, or when you're notfeeling well, or you have a lot
of anxiety that or or both, thatyou become very ungrounded,
you're not in your body anymore,you're somewhere else something
newer thoughts are in thosefeelings that you can't make
handle. And so the process ofdoing the physical postures and

(47:15):
breathing, brings you back tothe body to here and now, which
might be hard because that'swhat you're trying to escape.
But at the same time with thiskind of learning with the
breadth of the two, if you're ifyou're in a high anxiety state

(47:37):
to calm yourself down with, withpractice, if you stick to it,
and if you have a teacher thatcan create a safe space for you.
Or as I did a lot in thebeginning, I was in my home, but
it was a safe environment forme. And then you can learn the
tools to help yourself to selfregulate. And so very simple

(48:02):
breath, body movements. Itdoesn't have to be it doesn't
have to be Ashtanga Yoga forthat's not suitable for
everyone. If you are verytraumatized and you suffer from
PTSD or anxiety, maybe startingyoga is way too powerful to
start with. And it might be waytoo powerful to start with the

(48:23):
breath. Maybe actually justmoving and feeling the ground
beneath you is something that isenough. So difficult to say
because everyone is soindividual and what if we
stopped talking about trauma,for example, trauma is so

(48:45):
individual. Something that Imight traumatize me might not
traumatize you. So that's whyit's very difficult to say no.
And how and also how we reactbecause we react very
differently. Some people go intohigh anxiety, some people go
into freeze, when they are facedwith things that are
overwhelming. So I would saygiving general advice is a

(49:11):
little bit difficult.

Yeah, good point. I understand that. When
the course that you're teachingin the evenings you said was has
an emphasis on mental health. Isthat correct? Did I hear you
right?

Yeah. Yeah, it's called the hunger for
stress reduction. Yes.

Do you utilize Ashtanga Yoga in those classes?
Or do you do more simpleexercises like you made mention
of like simple movement andbreathing exercises.

And I don't teach a sangha base class. It's,
it's more it's called. Traumasensitive Yoga is a special
system where you work with kindof more Invitational language so
that you give options to peoplethat you can use your, if you

(50:06):
want to, you can join me doingthis or you could do that. Or
you could just say and you know,so that people can feel more
empowered to take chargethemselves. Yes, if you have
been through somethingdifficult, very often you feel
you might feel that you've lostcontrol. So learning to that you
are in control, again, of yourbody of your breath of your

(50:29):
situation, whether it's doing anAsana or whether it's in you
know, outside and life, that'simportant. And then also not
forcing people or commandingpeople to do something because
you want to create a safe space,right? So and then the course or

(50:49):
the it's a lot based on raisingthe heart rate. And then
lowering heart rate, raising theheart rate and lowering the
heart rate. So because whathappens often when you get
highly stressed, or you burnout, your your nervous system
will be out of sync, it will beout of balance. So we need to

(51:10):
train it to come back intobalance into the sort of the
heart rate variability, you'vecertainly heard of that, that
you strengthen your HRV. So thatyou become more stress resilient
again, but you have to trainthat and practice raising the
limit. So we do something maybethat is raising your heart rates

(51:30):
mildly, and then lower it backdown. And I say mildly, because
for people who have experiencedthe high anxiety, just the
raising of the heart rate mightbe experienced as the beginning
of a panic attack, for example.
So we need to just learn thatthis is not dangerous, you can
raise your heart rate, and thenwe come back and we lower it.

(51:51):
And so we kind of extend thelike a rubber band basically
like extending the theresilience. And also the the
comfort zone where you arecomfortable, like with your
heart rate going up and then soit's like this constant practice
of going up a little bit andgoing up. And so that's a lot

(52:14):
how we work.

That's interesting. Yeah. I appreciate
the details there. How or whatis the intersection of your
awareness and understanding oftrauma based or trauma informed
yoga teaching? And your astangayoga teaching? Yeah. Have you
found that?

By what I Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, as
continue.

I guess. I like the fact that you've clearly
you've differentiated, what aroom can feel like in relation
to perhaps a stronger room whereit's a very, I don't want to say
command driven, but it's veryfocused. And it's, there's an

(53:03):
intensity to it. And most peoplethat are going are going because
they like that level ofintensity, and it works really
well for them. And it soundslike the way you describe the
trauma informed classes, you'rereally aware of the heart rate,
and that you're consciously kindof working off that rhythm,

(53:24):
which is pretty amazing. I wasjust curious if there's a when
you're teaching a Stanga ifthere's something that you've
picked up from the traumainformed world that you'll find
trying to bring intounderstanding or awareness for
one of the students that you'reworking with in the Stanga room?

Well, in the trauma aware awareness class, I
would not touch anybody. And soin the my server room, I always
ask for permission, would you doyou want my help? Can I touch
you? Would you like my helptoday? How are you always also

(54:03):
when people come in check, youknow, it's not a huge mitre
program. So I know everybody,and I know them well enough that
I can say to them, you need totell me when you don't want me
to touch you. And I'm not goingto be offended by that. You and
so we have quite an openrelationship. I also have

(54:24):
practice cards where people canchoose if they don't want to
talk to me, they can choose agreen or red or a yellow card in
but it's by their map. And thenI know most people don't use
them because they prefer to talkto me. But yeah, definitely the
touch and the strongadjustments. I also have backed
off quite a lot from doingstrong adjustments. I feel that

(54:47):
people benefit much more fromactually exploring and doing
themselves rather than meputting them into classes. And I
want to anything, I want helpand You want to drop back, for
example, before they haveexplored like strengthening the
legs and so that when we do ittogether, we we both work and

(55:09):
that not I'm not doing all thework and that they're just
throwing themselves to thefloor, for example. But yeah,
the touching. And then I thinkoften about how I say things.
Because it's very easy to justlike, give a vocal like,
instruction and it can soundlike especially with me, I'm

(55:30):
quite direct. And I'm not like,bullshitting, so I can I can
just say something very likethat abruptly, and not very
diplomatic way. And so I've,I've started to think more
before I say something and how Ipresent things, for sure. Yes,

yes. I agree.
Has that been a nice learningexperience for you over the
years does it is one of myfavorite things about teaching
is the finesse that I feel likeis just improving over time. In
relation to like, payingattention to like, what words we
choose, when to touch not totouch? How has, how has the

(56:19):
experience of COVID been like,okay, now I just can't even
touch at all. Has that.

Yeah, that was horrible. I was horrible in
the way that I felt reallyisolated. Like you were so close
with you was so so far away. Andhuman contact is so important. I
mean, the thoughts and feelingthe other person breathes. And
just, it's so important. But itwas useful in terms of people

(56:53):
had to get used to vocaladjustments and vocal
instructions. And already, whenI started my teaching journey, I
was with a teacher who was notan Asana yoga teacher. His name
is Godfrey Devereaux, he teachesa style called dynamic Yoga is a
very somatic type of yoga, whereyou are given very specific

(57:14):
vocal instructions to, to, tosend different parts of your
body very sensory kind ofexperience. And so already, then
I was I was taught to like,really feel and then give those
learn how to give instructionsin that way to myself and to

(57:38):
others. And so that really cameto us doing COVID Which,

yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear ya. Oh, man.

There are probably other things as well,
that from that I can't reallythink of at the moment when it
comes to trauma sensitive yoga,and the things that I have
adapted into micro class,obviously, there are many more,
especially after with the kindof what has happened within
their standard community in thepast few years. With terms of in

(58:12):
terms of adjustments, and yeah,yes, the whole sensitivity
around that,

yes.
Understood, I found that therewas a time where I was coming in
and practicing. And we were allin the room together, practicing
and I was like, let's just keepthe space going. And everybody,
let's just go ahead and practicetogether and we'll, you know,
maintain our space and just kindof feel out what's going on.
And, you know, because I thoughtwhat I found was super

(58:40):
challenging is even if I didn'thave reservations about touching
someone, it was reallyinteresting how they felt and
and if I, like maybe wasthinking like, maybe they do
want an assist, and then theenergy of if, if I thought,
Okay, well, maybe this would beokay, because I see this person

(59:00):
every day. So I'm gonna go overand do it, but then somebody
else that was in the room thatwasn't okay with it, like the
energy dynamic of that a rule isbeing broken, and then they
didn't feel safe now that twopeople had made close contact
was so fascinating to me. Sothen I was okay, we were not
doing this for a little while.

(59:23):
And then I had somebody say, I'mreally missing it. And I did
find that it was a reallyinteresting learning experience
for me to completely kind oftake that whole component out of
the practice, which I actuallyfeel better for now. I don't
want to go through it again. Idon't think I definitely don't

(59:44):
want anything like that to everhappen again, that's for sure.
But I I do feel like I learnedsome things.

Yeah, I mean, definitely. And I think maybe
improved also our communicationOne of our ways of communicating
because we have to communicatein other ways. Also teaching
over zoom, for example, I didhave students over zoom at the
same time as people in the roomduring COVID. And giving

(01:00:12):
instructions. It just, I thinkit's, it's in a good way, it
forced us to reflect on whatwe're doing. And how can we do
it differently? And how can wemake it even richer? Yes. And
also the opportunity than forthe students which, which I

(01:00:33):
think should be there anyway,even if you give physical
adjustments, adjustments, thereshould be this. You know, that
it's, it's the students practiceit and adapt justments should
be, you know, always questionwhy am I doing this? Why is this
for the benefit of students? Andalso, you know, that the main

(01:00:56):
thing is that they are exploringand doing and then I'm just
helping, I'm not, you know,doing it for them.

Todd McLaughlin (01:01:04):
Yeah. That's a big one for sure.

Isabella Nitschke (01:01:09):
I'm just a resource. I'm just a guide. I'm
not like I'm not a magician.

But you can't be can't read minds yet.
Isabella. You're not able. No.
It's common. Yeah. Definitely.
Definitely. Well, you might wantto read your mom's mind. But
that's just because you've beenwith her for so long. Yeah.

Probably because I'm just as stubborn as
she is. It runs and

runs in the blood. Isabella, I'm so excited
that we managed to pull thisoff. It's been a little bit

really happy.
It's been I've enjoyed it.

Thank you so much. I know it's late over
there on your time. So I want tobe respectful of your time and
not hold you long. But is thereany time? Is there is there
anything else that you wouldlike to share? Add and or say as
a conclusion?

Oh, gosh, you're putting me on the spot
there? No, I was I was just soinvolved in the conversation. I
don't really know. You know, youdon't have another question.

Another question? Yes. Do Oh, come on,
question popped into my head.
No, I'm on the spot. Kidding.
Um, you know, one thing I wantedto ask you earlier, which is
completely off subject, I guess,but that I've always admired

(01:02:54):
about Europeans. Is your abilityto learn multiple language so
effortlessly. And you mentionedobviously, we're speaking in
English. And then you mentionedGerman, and now I'm gathering
you speak Swedish? Of course.
Um, are there any otherlanguages in there?

I do speak French.

That's right. I thought that too. I was like, Oh
my gosh, she probably speaksFrench as well. That's amazing.

I did speak Chinese before.

That's right.
Because you said China. Itotally wanted to go down that
whole road but I figured thatmight take us far off the yoga
subject, but Well, yeah, that

would we would go for that was my
previous life. Okay, with myprevious career.

Oh, okay.
Gotcha. And was so different,whole different life, which
language and tonics I know,there's a lot so which one we're
used to.

Mandarin. I learned Mandarin. And but then I
haven't spoken like,professionally since 2009. When
I left that, that way of living,became a yoga teacher.

And you could speak professionally in
Mandarin.

I could speak like I always say I was able to
speak in social situations.
Yeah. So like I would manage Ilived in China I would manage in
social situations. I had Chinesefriends. I could hold a
conversation. I could read someyou know, some things but you

(01:04:26):
know, I didn't know enoughcharacters to read a whole
newspaper but I could. I waskind of I was quite good. I have
to say and then I didn't in myin my profession. We always use
interpreters because that's youhave to like I was I was working
for the European Commission intheir embassy and in invading.

(01:04:48):
So in I was working withpolitical and issues like human
rights, so we always had to haveinterpreters because that you
wouldn't have a professionalmeeting without so. Yeah. No, I
wouldn't say that I didn't useit in my job in that way,

(01:05:11):
because we were not allowed.

All right, well, you said you're not a
magician, but I think you are,if you speak that many
languages, like I don't evensee, I just, that just is
amazing to me. And I know nowthis is going down a whole
nother subject. So the whole,the whole idea of is trying to,
like conclude, but and I, Inever want to go near politics,

(01:05:37):
I don't even want to go there.
But in in America, we have likethis, like fear of China, kind
of like rhetoric. And you've hada chance to live there. And I
always want to promote, and orI'm always looking for humanity.
And like in terms of like aglobal community, I see people.
And I think we're all justtrying to do the best we can.

(01:05:58):
And that we probably have a lotmore in common than we have out
of common. So I guess maybe inconclusion, can you share a
little bit about what you'velearned by being a global
citizen and learning all theselanguages and traveling all over
the world? And having all theseexperiences? What do you see, as
a bright future for the planet?

Well, I think, I think what you're
saying is, is that not only byliving in different cultures and
learning languages, meetingpeople, but also, I think, with
the yoga experience, and theyoga philosophy, I think it's
just, at least it has helped meto see, like, beyond all the

(01:06:45):
surface, in terms that we are,as you said, We're all just
human beings, we have the sameneed, we have, you know, we all
need to be loved. We all needsomething useful to do, we all
need a roof over our head, weall need a hug. And so we have
the same needs, and we nobody isinherently evil, we're all just

(01:07:09):
like, actually small, vulnerablebeings. And if we would all see
that we I think, I think wewould treat each other very
differently. And, and not likeif somebody behaved badly, we
would not lash out at thatperson or become irritated.
Because we would understandthat, you know, this person is

(01:07:30):
just famous, I have the sameneeds. I wish I wish more more
people would think like that,especially in terms of when it
comes to. Like, in Sweden,there's a lot of racist and anti
immigrants. How to say peopleare not yet not very positive

(01:07:58):
towards people who have eithercame come here as refugees or as
immigrants. And and I don'tknow, I think we could think if
we would just think a little bitfurther, what has been this
person been through, you know, Ithink often we are very
protected here. We have, youknow, everything we have a roof

(01:08:21):
over our head, we have food onthe table, we have, you know, we
we are not cold in the winter,even if it's freezing outside,
we're so spoiled. And people areshopping, they say, Oh, we don't
have any money. And you know, onthe weekend, they come home with
all these bags of shopping andyeah, I just think I would just

(01:08:42):
hope that people would, youknow, maybe reflect a little bit
and see how we are all just thesame. And then, as I said,
people when we might treat eachother a little bit better, we
might understand each other alittle bit better, even if we
are from different cultures andreligions and what have you and
language is still there. We haveso much common ground. Yeah.

Oh, that's a beautiful closing message.

Maybe I'm being naive. I don't know. I
always wanted to save the worldwhen I was younger. And then I
realized he was not possible.

I know. I don't want to lose that either.
Isabella. I don't want to Idon't want to lose that
optimism.

No. And now as you know, try to treat
someone else if you want to betreated yourself. I know it's a
cliche. And I know it's superdifficult, especially when you
know you react to someone youknow, obviously we do because we
can't be I mean, we can't seethat you know distance all the
time that we have time toreflect before we react and so

(01:09:52):
we're going to be triggered bycertain things, but I wish we
could just treat everybody elseas we want to be treated. I So,
most of the time,

yes. Oh, man.
Well, thank you, Isabella.
That's perfect.

Thank you.
And thanks for having me. It'sbeen a pleasure to talk to you.

Thank you. I mean, I've already been thinking
in my mind a few times, like, Ihope I get a chance to travel to
Sweden. And definitely if I makeit that far over, I want to come
see you in South Sweden.

Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, definitely. I'll be
fun. I was thinking of going toMiami, me to come and visit the
new Miami. The garrison. Theyhave seen on Tim Yeah, because,
you know, Tim is coming here.
He's visited our Sharla beforecoming again with we've got a

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plan visit

here. So

yeah, so we are together in Mysore. And
because he's from Copenhagen inDenmark, I've bumped into into
him a few times. And you know,winter has been visiting here.
And so we were talking about mecoming to visit but that was
then COVID bounce back. Yeah,yeah. Yeah.

Well, if you do, you can come visit Miami and
you know, and teach twoworkshops on the same trip and
and,

oh, it wasn't XP wasn't 14. But I'd be happy
because I'm gonna come and visitthe Miami guy.

Well, we got to plan it and January or February
because it's so warm andbeautiful and sunny here right
now. I'm not trying to rub it inor anything on that. I know.
Right. Right. Now you're in thecold. Like a good plan. Yeah,
come over. In the winter. I'mnot gonna be here and you'll be
on the beach and your flip flopsand sunbathing in the middle of

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winter. Yeah.

So we're already solid.

On that note, let's, let's stay in touch
Isabella. I really enjoyed this.
And I'm so thankful. I can'twait to publish this and have
everyone have a chance to hearyou.

Yeah, cool.
Thank you so much.

Thank you. I wish you I wish you good luck,
and I'm excited. I like I feelreally happy thinking about you
and your mom practicingtogether. That's amazing.

Thank you.
Thanks. So keep your fingerscrossed for her. I will. She
stays healthy.

I will. All right. Thank you. Have a good
one. All right.

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