John Denney ~ Exploring Telepathy, Faith, and the Power of Intent

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John Denney is a seasoned minister who currently serves at the Unity of Jupiter. He has a strong background in yoga, meditation, and spiritual guidance, which he has practiced for over three decades. Known for his insightful perspectives on consciousness and spiritual practice, John has actively contributed to community growth and has been involved with organizations such as Surfers for Autism.

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Key Takeaways:

• The Power of Thought: John and Todd discuss how thoughts are incredibly influential, shaping both personal experiences and broader realities.
• Faith and Intent in Practice: The conversation emphasizes the importance of clarity of intention and how it can manifest tangible outcomes, inspired by John’s journey as a minister.
• The Telepathy Tapes & My Big TOE: Insights from these resources provide a fresh perspective on consciousness, telepathy, and the interconnectedness of all beings.
• Unity and Love as Universal Concepts: John shares his approach to multi-faith understanding and how it underpins a universal connection through love and acceptance.
• Meditation and Connectivity: Both guests reflect on meditation's role in accessing deeper dimensions of consciousness and creating harmonious connections with others.

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Episode Transcript

(00:33):
Welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast.
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(00:53):
nativeyogacenter.com. All right,let's begin.
I'm really happy to have thechance to bring John Denney onto
the show again today. John,thank you so much for coming
here into the studio andchatting with me. You were here

(01:16):
for episode number 144, andwe're coming in now at episode
number 220 so what's been, how'syour life evolved since that
time period? Well,I definitely commend your
consistency. Thank you. Thankyou. A lot of people give up
long before Episode 220 and youknow, I think you're doing an
amazing job here, and I reallyenjoyed being on last time.

(01:37):
Thank you. Yeah, have a lot ofstuff going on. I mean, I don't
remember the date, but I knowthat we hadn't moved down here
yet. No, not yet. Location.
We'rejust getting ready to take on
the your first day of being theminister at Unity. Oh,
wow, right, I don't think, yeah,it's been a while then, and yes,

(01:58):
so much has happened since thattime. It's unbelievable how the
doors have opened, how I justgot to see how visualization has
been manifesting, how thoughtsor things, how prayers are
answered, whatever you want tosay, just watching how the road
is opened has given me a reallystrong sense of faith.

(02:19):
What have you learned inrelation to managing fear and
trust?
Well, one of the big things waswhen we saw the new location. So
we're moving this little churchfrom a small location into a big
Sanctuary, a big location, youknow, so going from an 80 seat
church to a 400 seat church, itwas for me, it was almost

(02:42):
overwhelming. How are we goingto feel comfortable here? It's
just too big. Well, thecongregation is close to
tripled. Now we have an amazingfellowship where we have a
beautiful spread of food eachand every week at one o'clock.
And so it's been an incrediblething, but I had to let go of my
fears to let that happen. God,had bigger plans than I. Had way

(03:04):
bigger plans than I had. Youknow, we were all comfortable in
our little, yeah, our littlecocoon.
I understand that's cool. Whattype of, what type of response
are you getting from yourcommunity in relation to what
are some of the comments andfeedback that you're receiving
as a minister I know you, youknow, had expressed to me before

(03:27):
how this was a dream of yoursthat you had, you know, been
thinking that you would like togo down this path, and it came
to be where now you're able todo it. What sort of takeaways
have realizations have you hadin this process? It
was, you know, I talked about itas my impossible dream, not as a
true dream that might happen.
And it's been incredible. Imean, like I said, we have the

(03:50):
congregation has grown, and it'sbeen there's the energy there is
just palatable. It's like comingto your yoga studio. People like
being here. They feel the senseof community, they feel the
sense of welcome. And we've lostsome people, you know, and I
learned early on, I'm not goingto be everything to everyone,
and certain people are going toresonate with other ministers,

(04:12):
but for every person we've lost,we've gained five to 10. So, you
know, it just has to sort ofweed itself out, as long as they
find another minister who'steaching them their message.
It's all good for me. I don'tI'm not chasing anyone down the
street. I just let it happen andlet that love and that community
shine. And it's amazing towatch. It's

(04:35):
nice. Nice. Can you talk alittle bit about what your
philosophy is about multi faith,understanding of higher power.
Well, unity is, is, you know,unity is sort of practical
Christianity. How do we takelove and gratitude and

(04:57):
forgiveness and use them in ourlives? Yes and, and, but
however, the founders of unityreally accepted all face and all
religions. And what they saidwas, go wherever you want to go,
go to your temple, go to yourchurch, go to your mosque, go
wherever you want to go, andthen come on out to our farm,
and we'll show you how to applythese principles in life.

(05:19):
Interesting. So it wasn't. Theyweren't trying to start a
denominational church. They werejust starting a thought movement
to teach people how to use theirthoughts better and improve
their relationships, improvetheir their communities, improve
their societies. And so that'sreally been, isn't
that a novel concept, because,like, Don't all too often, don't

(05:43):
we? Like, I heard someone say,like, look, I grew up in a
religious home, but my dad wasdidn't exhibit any level of
kindness, compassion orthoughtfulness toward anyone
outside of his culturalidentity. And I so we hear this
over and over and over and overagain. So it's pretty
fascinating to me that, youknow, the Unity founders were

(06:04):
like, Hey, let's take whereveryou're coming from, right, and
actually apply this stuff. Youguys not just read about it, but
let's make it real. Andyou know, it's, it's, it's
basically that one, one God, onepresence is connects us all
anyway, and that's what we'relearning more and more and more
we're gonna talk about later inthe podcast, but it's, you know,
one presence, and it's thatpresence of Love. It has to come

(06:25):
back to that, yeah,that's really cool, John, you
know, well, to on that note,it's to go down the subject that
God is so inspired to meet uptoday. So how it played out for
me in relation to you, reachedout to me via text, and you said
you sent me the link to thetelepathy tapes podcast. And I,

(06:49):
I listened to the very firstpart of the episode because you
were so excited. You were like,You have got to listen to this.
Like, this is really a gamechanger. You need to listen to
this so I could feel for throughyour enthusiasm, okay, I know
I'm gonna do this, and I wasreading a different book, and I

(07:12):
knew, like, let me finish whatI'm doing first, so I don't get
too scattered. I started thefirst episode. So this sounds
really interesting. I can't waitto do this. And then I was
listening to another podcastwhere the host had made mention
of an author named ThomasCampbell and his book called My
Big TOE. And the word toe standsfor Theory of Everything. So

(07:36):
it's like basically a quantumphysicist who is claiming that
through quantum physics,metaphysics and philosophy, we
now can arrive at a place wherewe can prove that there is a
larger consciousness system inplace, and that's how we're here
and why we're here. Now, when Iheard that, and then right after

(07:57):
they said that, they go, theperson referenced, oh, the
telepathy tapes. And I'm like,Whoa. Just yesterday, John's
telling me to listen to thetelepathy tapes. Now I'm
listening to something that'stalking about the telepathy
tapes. And here's this otherbook. What's this other book
about? And I start reading thereviews, and the reviews are
very interesting. They're like,Look, if you want to read a book

(08:20):
that's going to blow your mind,open the doors of your mind to
the bigger picture that younever thought you would ever
see, like that type of stuff.
And I was like, Well, I'm alwaysopen for a good mind bender. And
I thought, let me go ahead andjust get the book. So I get the
book. And I listened all the waythrough audio style, it's a long

(08:41):
one. I think the books likeseven or 800 pages. So it's a
it's a thick book, big book. Andlet me back up a little bit
prior to when we had our lastconversation, I was in full
atheist mode, like full atheistmode, I'd I traveled down that

(09:01):
track, you know, and really waslike, Wait, how could I be
believing in all of this for allthese years since I was a kid?
Maybe I've been duped. Maybe,maybe I've been, like, tricked
into believing in the SantaClaus, in a in a make believe

(09:21):
character that was just a nicelittle story, just to make me
feel good, and I had gonethrough about two years ago. I
know my regular listenersprobably have heard me complain
about, like, physical back pain,back pain, physical pain, where
I was suffering so intensely,which kind of even made me feel

(09:42):
more like what is the purpose?
Why would I? Why would someoneinvent this? This is so
miserable. I'm in so much pain.
How could it get this, and thenall the events that we've been
through, 2020, COVID, all the.
Sort of crazy, politicalmadness, all this stuff just got
me to a point where I was justlike, I just don't even see so I

(10:05):
thought, sure, why not try abook like this? And after
reading through big toe, it blewmy mind so wide open, I have
never been taken that far intothat way of thinking, of like
where somebody can say, hey,this is how God exists. This is

(10:27):
why there's a higher power. Takea look at this. Take a look at
that. Don't you realize you havechoices? What are you like a rat
and a maze that can't tell thedifference between cheese and
electricity? You need to makechoices. If you make good
choices, you'll be rewarded withgood cheese if you make bad
choices. I really didn't want tohear that, because I'm like what

(10:47):
you're trying to tell me that myback pain could be a combination
of my choices that I made inlife. I don't want to hear that,
so I had to struggle through thebook, because it really made me
look at some things that I justdidn't want to look at, but the
process of opening that hashappened to me since I started
to look at that and theconnections that have been made,

(11:07):
I felt like was reading thebook, like he was dropping a
connection serum into my brain,and all the synapses were
beginning to like, connect. AndI was like, what? Holy cow. So
then I finished that, blown outof my mind. I tell your wife,
Barry, I'm like, You got to getJohn to read the my big toe,
because he was telling me tolisten to telepathy tapes. And

(11:28):
so then this weekend, I'm like,because I knew we were going to
converse today. I'm like, let mefinish listening telepathy
tapes. And it confirmedeverything my big toe had
explained in extreme detail,like, if you want, the
scientific outlook of how we cancome to this conclusion, read my
big toe. It's a big one. I'm notsaying it's gonna be easy. It's
gonna take some work, but thetelepathy tapes I would by

(11:52):
episode 10 in tears like happyjoy. I don't want to spoil
anything. For those of you thatare haven't heard about it yet,
I know we're probably going tomaybe spoil a little bit. It's
but, but, um, so then I, I'vebeen texting with John last few
days and just being like, Oh mygosh. And you've been sending me

(12:15):
little firecracker symbols.
Like, yeah, man, your mind isgoing to get blown, dude, I told
you, and so, I mean, I canhonestly say now that, because
I'm believing again, that thereis a higher purpose, there's a
reason for me to be here, I havehad the biggest turnaround. And

(12:39):
just just feeling likegratitude. Thank you. Thank you
for giving me the material thatI need at the right time in my
life, when I was ready toprocess it. I'm very grateful
that I went, that I grew up withsome faith, that I also went
through the yoga world, reallywanting to believe that these

(13:02):
miracles were possible. Thingsthat I read from Paramahansa,
Yogananda and Autobiography of aYogi like 25 years ago, thinking
like, what you can do, thatpeople gurus are going yogis are
going through walls. They'remaking multiple bodies appear in
different places at differenttimes. At the end, people seeing

(13:22):
one guru over there at NorthIndia, while they're seeing
another guru down in SouthIndia, and they're both calling
up, saying, Yeah, I saw the gurutoday. And they're like, No, I
saw him up here. And like, no,he was down here. How is that
possible? Like, all the stuffthat my big toe is explaining
and what the telepathy tapes areexplaining, I guess I just
couldn't believe it before,because there was no validation

(13:44):
anywhere. I wasn't finding any,I wasn't finding any, like
scientific work to explain that,yeah, this is happening. And
then I just turned my back onit, because I was just like,
that's just crazy. That's justcrazy stuff. So I've been
dominating the conversation fora while, but I just had to say
all that, and I'm just curiouswhat, what are you thinking?

(14:04):
It'sfunny you would turn your back
on it when you have thisincredible example of
manifestation that we're sittingin right here, and you just, Guy
heard you got renewed foranother five year lease. But
which is right, which wasimpossible, you thought be
leaving in five months, and nowwe're staying within five years.
So, but this is proof that whatwe think about, we bring about,

(14:24):
and our thoughts are extremelypowerful. So I've always known
and believed this, but had noproof, you know. And so, in a
way, like I said before, I'veprayed and meditated now for 30
years plus, and and each andevery day, I pray for different
people and different things.

(14:48):
Well, I've always believed in myheart that something's happening
right, and I've watched thingsmanifest in my life. I've
attracted things into my life,which really I had thought about
just as I. Idea. I've watchedBarry, you know, transform
numerous ideas into real lifesituations, and so I'm watching
a cause and effect scenario andand the clear the thought gets.

(15:12):
And so I've always had faiththat I know my prayers and
meditation work, I couldn'tprove it. Made it really almost
little frustrating sometimes.
But now, after listening totelepathy tapes and
understanding a little bit moreof this vibrational
understanding, I'm like, wow, Iknew it was working. I just
didn't quite understand how,yeah, and it was I had no there

(15:35):
was no doubt in my mind it wasworking. I just wasn't quite
sure. So about two or threemonths ago, in one week, three
people sent me the telepathytape link, and I put it off for
a few weeks before I startedlistening to it. But once I
started listening to it, I was Iwas like, Oh my gosh, this is
proof of what I've been doingnow for 30 years. Yeah, and, and

(15:57):
it's why I'm at this. It's whyI'm over here, you know, doing
what I'm doing at Unity ofJupiter. It's why, you know,
it's, it's why everything ismoved in the way it has. And I
believe it's why I have Ali andLuker doing very well in life.
Barry's doing amazing at herjob. But it's a, it's a very
conscious effort. It's notchance. It wasn't luck. It's not

(16:20):
luck. Yeah, you know, theseare choices that have been made,
one choice after another, afteranother, after another, to where
we are here, right, now, right?
And then the telepathy tapes.
You know, when I first startedlistening to them, they just
passed Joe Rogan as the numberone telepathy tape. Well, I said
the name Joe Rogan during one ofmy sermons, and that was the

(16:42):
last thing people heard. Yeah,no, saying that, yeah. They
passed him yeah as number one,yeah. But because of their
belief system, that's all Icould hear, right? Yeah? But
what I have learned, what I havelearned through the celebrity
tapes and through even her beingon Joe Rogan is how this veil
now is being opened, and theydon't they, you know. And for

(17:06):
our audience, we haven't reallyexplained the telepathy tapes,
but they're really centeredaround non speaking autistic
people. However, in thetelepathy tapes, they talk about
dogs and parrots and horses andspeaking people and all kinds of
things, how it's always working.

(17:29):
I mean, how is that? How is thatstudy they did with the parrot,
when they got the lady in oneside of the house and the
parrots in the other side of thehouse, and saying what the lady
is looking at? Yeah, that'sThat's amazing, amazing, the
fact that an animal could betapping into Universal
Consciousness and able to see,or, in that case, the parrot,

(17:49):
whatever the man was looking atin the other room. The parrot
was like, like he had, he hadheld a phone in his mind, right?
And a, you know, a color orwhatever. And the parrots able
to make the set like talkinglike it's on the phone. Hello,
who's there? Who is it? And thenthe sounds of a of a recording
device leave your message afterthe beep, type of thing. You

(18:12):
know that that was one example,and there was, there's so many
in there. But, I mean, I guessfor me too. What really blew my
mind about that is what, youknow, the way that the non
speaking autistic community hasbeen kept down and even hearing
about the politics behindwhether or not they should even,

(18:33):
we should even be talking aboutthis like
so. For years, I've worked withsurfers for autism. You know
that? Right? That's why I wantedto ask you about that. To ask
you about and it's funnybecause, and you know, I'm the
first one guilty of it, but I'dsee a family with their non
verbal kid, you know, and theyhave trouble controlling, they

(18:54):
almost look a little spastic,but have trouble controlling
their physical bodies. And Iwould look at them with this
sense of pity, like all thatpoor family, well, not anymore.
Todd, not anymore.
They were given the greatestgift of all time. I'm
looking at the most highlyadvanced soul on the planet, and
whether we'll ever, I'll ever beable to communicate with them,

(19:16):
who knows. But I noweverything's different. You
know, my soul? Yeah, it's likewhat you explained before. How
did people feel when they weretold the word world was round,
not flat, when they believed forso many long time it was flat,
and then suddenly had to take ona whole new paradigm? That's how
I feel. What's happened to me?
Yeah, my paradigm has gottencompletely show, at least opened

(19:36):
up where I can not feel so badabout talking about this stuff
and explaining it how it's beingrevealed to me anyway. Do
you think that for me so one ofthe things that I think feels
was maybe felt overwhelmingbefore, but now feels

(19:58):
enlightening and. Is I have tomonitor my thoughts. I have to
think about what I'm thinking,what like that's going to be so
difficult because No, well, wehave 80,000 thoughts a day. Come
flooding, income flooding outright? You don't have

(20:20):
to monitor all 80,000 you justgot to monitor to the eight or
10 you choose to grasp on to,yeah, and when you choose, and
when it's and when it's athought that you know when
you're when it's thought thatrocks your piece. You got to be
like, Hey, this isn't it. Now,in the telepathy tapes, when
they when they learned that thechildren communicated, I think
it was Hudson or John Paul andand they said, You've been

(20:43):
listening to my thoughts for 15years. Yeah, the mom and imagine
what the mother had thought, howmuch she cursed this disease.
She'd like probably thoughtthese horrible thoughts, and he
could hear them all then thatthat was the one that made my
light will go on. Whoa, John,yeah, even if we're to even

(21:03):
here, yeah, you may not knowwhat I'm thinking, Yeah, but you
know what I'm thinking. That'swhat's so interesting. And you
canfeel what I'm thinking. So it
doesn't you may not be node inyour objective, yeah, Todd, mine
likeit doesn't come through and go,
Oh, I heard John say that the helikes the fact that the walls
are blue right, right, but Ifeel it right. I'm picking up on

(21:24):
it exactly whether I'm aware ofit or not. And we're all we are
aware of it,extremely, extremely aware of
it. And why do you think we getso heavy and confused? Because
so many people's thoughts arelike that, but we're feeling it
from everywhere.
Whoa, I know. Man, I know. Itexplains a lot. It explains

(21:45):
almost everything it does. Itgives explanation to the
unexplained in relation like,just what you said you go into a
space, you're like, why am Ifeeling this intense energy and
like, Oh, get me out of here,whatever, because you're picking
up on it. Well, all right, sothere's, there's, I know that's
probably one of my was, maybe mywhat would hold me back from

(22:08):
being like, okay, yeah, I wantto trust that this is true. But
I have noticed that just withinthe two weeks since, I've been
letting this kind of permeateand practicing meditation every
morning and really focusing inon what my intention is. Because
one of the things that Mr.
Campbell makes extremely clearin my big toe is it's all about

(22:29):
intent. You have to be so clearabout what your intentions are.
Once you get clarity on intent,then it aligns, and it works
really great. And you can seethe power of that alignment.
Well, thenthe universe opens up. You said
something before about the cat,the parrot, tapping into the
universal mind or something, butthat's not. The parrot is always

(22:51):
tapped in. We're all tapped in.
We just tap out. So we're alltapped in all the time. Or we
would not be create, we wouldnot be living, moving beings.
The problem is we get our anger,our insecurities, our judgments,
our worries, our whatever, andthat disconnects us from this

(23:13):
higher level. Now, one of thethings that keeps us
disconnected is speaking,because we can't communicate in
those thoughts like the bird andthe guy did, when they just send
a thought, they say, a lot oftelepathic communication
happens, almost in picture, yousee the picture before you
actually hear the words orsomething. It's not really
words, so, but yeah, yeah. Somonitoring your thoughts, that's

(23:38):
one of my foundational T that'swhen Carol told me. He said, You
need to monitor and replace soyou monitor your thoughts. If
it's a good one, keep thinkingit. If it makes you feel out of
harmony, out of peace, replaceit. Replace it with one of the
ones that makes you feel youcan't just stop thinking about

(23:59):
it. People say, How do I stopthinking about this problem? I'm
like, you don't you startthinking about something else.
So you've heard the don't thinkabout a pink elephant. Todd, do
not think about a pink elephant.
Yeah, and now we're all sittinghere, pink elephant. Well, as
soon as I say, Todd, think abouta blue elephant. Okay, really
think about a blue elephant. Nowthe pink one's gone. But not

(24:20):
because we stopped thinkingabout it, because we started
thinking something else, greatpoint, and when we and that's
and that's the way we have to doit with all life. As soon as I
start thinking a fear thought, Igot to go back to a love
thought. And, you know, and Ithink that you remember, and
later on in the last or thefirst talk tracks or something

(24:42):
where they said, you know,they're giving us what they want
us to know, and they want us toknow, it's all about love. It's
all about coming back to thisplace of love, of connection and
unity, not duality andseparation. And that's
a great point. I. Uh, if I sitquietly and I pick five people

(25:11):
in my life that I really want tosend positivity toward, and I
think maybe where people have ahard time with this, because I
even caught a little glimpse ofmyself wondering, how do I
navigate this? Is I can loveeveryone and everything, and

(25:37):
sometimes we've been taught thatyou can only love this type of
person. Maybe if I'm male, I canonly send love to a female, or I
can, or if I'm male and I likemales, I can only send love to
the male, but I can't to thefemale. Or maybe, you know what
I mean, there's been all thiscultural conditioning that's so

(25:58):
insane, yeah, and that's thatfor me to for me to actually
visualize everyone and say, loveJohn, love Sandy, love bill,
love this person. Love, love.
And do that in a way where it'sactually coming from a place of
intent and Love.
I Am Love. Yeah, I am love. Sothat's all I can do, is love

(26:18):
you, because I am love, so I'mletting that shine out. So a few
weeks ago, I got invited up tothe Martin County Correctional
Institution, maximum securityprison, and I was to perform a
wedding, and I went to twowellness groups. Okay? Now I'm
sitting here in this cage with30 men, okay? And I know that

(26:42):
they're murderers. I know thatthese are probably they're in
there for not good things, a lotof life sentences and a lot of
horrible things. But you knowwhat? Todd, I didn't know any of
them. I knew none of theirnames, and I knew none of the
reasons they were there. So Icould stand in front of that
group of men and say, Listen, Ilove you guys. My friend does,

(27:05):
and I don't, you know, I'm justlooking at them as a group of
men. No, I didn't have anyjudgment. I didn't know why they
were there. Now, if you startedgiving me all their rap sheets,
that would have been different.
Then I would have started havingfears and judgments, and then
Whoa, you know, I can't believethat guy did that, or whatever,
but there was a space. And lastnight, I was taking a class, and

(27:29):
one of the ladies like, well,then you've never been in love
if you don't know that feelingof love, of when, when, when a
person holds you in their arms.
And I'm sitting there and I'mlike, Well, I don't think that's
kind of love we're talkingabout. You know, we're talking
about even, even a deeper formof love which can never let you
down. Yeah,yeah. Good point. That's a great
point, John, that would be achallenging situation. That's

(27:52):
pretty intense. I didn't knowyou did that, yeah, it was
radical. But he told me, youknow, there's ms 13 guys here,
and there's the all thedifferent Aragua gangs and all
the different gangs. But inanother weird way, Todd, it was
a sense of community, likeprobably no one's gonna, you

(28:15):
know, get an altercation in thissituation. So in some way,
there's this order andsemblance, even in this place
where, you know, there's peoplewith real bad intentions, but,
well, thisis a great point, and I could
see where this would causepeople to have all sorts of
questions and debate around, youknow, do we send love even To
the most horrific person that'sdone the most horrific things to

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people, children, elderly. Howcould we extend love to somebody
who has shown nothing but theopposite? Because
you're not extending like, Okay,you're extending love. You're
extending something much biggerthan us. The sun shines on those

(29:03):
criminals, just like it shineson you and me, and it shines on
every person, every person onthis planet. There's a ray of
sun for right and so our lovecan be is unjudgmental as the
rays of the sun. Now do I likeyou? Do I want to hang out with

(29:24):
you? That's a whole notherconversation. Do you like me?
That's a, that's a whole notherworld. Yeah, I get it. But I
love you, and you can love me ifyou choose to, right? And so
it's a, it's a higher thing. Iget it. There is no judgment
there. I get it, you know, butonce then we move down, it's
like, well, I don't know if Ilike him or not. Yeah. Do

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you think that people arefeeling like, on the one level
with the telepathy, telepathytapes, that there are certain
people that are involved in theeducation field and department
that are not wanting. This sortof information to come to light
and are making it difficult fornon speakers to find access to

(30:06):
being able to type or tap, to beable to communicate, where
there's that like, sort of likebarrier. Do you think that why
we're so fearful of this conceptis because, because we are just,
we're just not in touch with ourfeelings and thoughts and
emotions, and that just freaksus out.
I think there's a couplereasons. One is, we all believe

(30:29):
the world's flat. So we lookedat these kids and we boxed them
and we said, you know, this is athis is a population which is
special needs. Help, has to goon, you know, needs special
schooling and everything. And wenever opened our eyes to be
like, maybe we're wrong, youknow. But now that's happening.

(30:51):
So I think, yeah, we're gettingtaught the world round. Now, I
knew it in my heart. I justdidn't know they were the they
were the trendsetters, yeah, andyeah, it's, it's really
incredible. It's an incredibleexperience. It's made me, you
know, realize why a lifelongdedication to meditation and

(31:14):
prayer has not been for, has notbeen in vain. Yeah? Like, you
know, I already said the reasonwhy I'm married 30 years is
because we meditate together,and a family that prays together
stays together. I used to jokethat, well, even if it doesn't
work in our house, no one'sarguing for 10 minutes because

(31:35):
only one person's talking so, sothere's going to be at least no
arguing for a 10 minute periodin our house, or no, no any
communication, right? Well, thatopened up when I started to
learn about two or moregathering in the power of the
mastermind connection. And thenI started to be like, Wow, we've
been really connecting on ametaphysical oneness for years,

(31:58):
for because for that 10 minutes,we think the same thoughts. At
the same time, I'm thinking I amperfect health, and seeing her
in perfect health, she'sthinking perfect health for
herself, and then seeing me inperfect health. So there's this,
even though, you know only oneperson's talking, but
psychically, we're completelyone in one body. That's what

(32:19):
that's really what themastermind is all about. When
two people become one. In mind,interesting, no, and it's
probably how you and Tamaracreated this place. You didn't.
It was the two of you kind oflike masterminded. It wasn't
just you.
I agree. I agree, yeah. Oh mygosh, I know. I mean, one of
the, I think, you know, one ofthe things that I don't know how

(32:42):
far, if you've had a chance, howfar deep into my big toe. And I
know that like these ideas, tothrow them out without having
the build up from book one allthe way up into the deeper side,
I'm already there. And three,one of them relates to this idea
of so I remember as a kid,always having the being told, I
grew up with Christianity thatGod knows, every thought you

(33:07):
have, everything you do, andthen as I became overly
skeptical, because what I loveabout this idea of being an open
minded skeptic like the only theway that we're going to be able
to be able to navigate this newmulti dimensional paradigm is by
keeping an open mind, but alsobeing skeptical, asking honest

(33:30):
questions and testing it,testing it to see. Does it
actually work for me? Am Igetting any verifiable results?
Let me collect data and see ifthe data, and then don't
question it too much when youhaven't collected enough data,
just go with the process for alittle while and start seeing
some of this stuff actuallymaking sense. Does it work for

(33:53):
you? Does it? And if it does,and when it does, if it does,
then you'll be able to look backand go, Okay, I've made this
sort of I've collected enoughdata that I feel confident in
even coming out and speakinglike this and talking to you
about it, right? So when I readthe way that he describes the

(34:13):
way that there is, we are livingin a basically like a computer
program, that there is a file onevery single thing that we've
done, from the moment to we comeinto the moment, we go out to
the moment that we've been inthe many lives as we've ever
lived, to as many lives in thefuture that we ever will live.

(34:34):
And there is documentation, andyou or I, or anybody that has
the ability can go into thatfile and research and go into
this like web this, like, youknow, it's amazing, because I
believe probably indigenouspeople are obviously tapped in
on this already, and thensomehow it got so far removed
from it that now we had tocreate a technological version

(34:56):
of the Internet to nowdemonstrate that, okay, it is
possible. Yeah, and through acomputer system that really is
not much different from a humanbeing in the sense that we have
memory, we have storagecapacity, we have the body, the
housing of it, we have all theseprocesses that make the
consciousness or allow for theconsciousness to exist. And I
also think too, the fact thatwe're witnessing the rise of AI

(35:19):
and the rise of theconsciousness of the AI, the
improvement every day, we can gointo chat GPT and see how much
better it is getting every day.
Like it's crazy. You can ask youchat GPT like you're asking,
God, a question, what should Ido in this situation? And it
throws out so much information.
You're like, whoa. Is this? Isthis? Is this artificial, or is

(35:41):
this even beyond artificial?
It's not. It's not artificialbecause it learns from us, you
know, and I guess I don't thinkit's as well. I do not believe
in artificial intelligence asmuch as I believe in the Acacia
records. Where that what youwere talking about before, where
it's all stored, yeah, and it'sall stored in these ethers. Now,

(36:03):
the non verbal kids can go upthere and they can access that,
and they can access somethingelse called Universal Mind. And
that's why they can go overthere and bring the contents of
a whole book just by touchingit, or learn to speak a new
language overnight. Or, yeah,know everything about how are
you Harry Potter, because theirsister read it, you know, crazy
stuff, crazy stuff like that.
But it's all contained in thoseethers. And they don't have to,

(36:26):
they don't have to bring it inone word at a time. They just
download it, the whole file,boom, done, you know. And it's,
you know, it's remarkable. But,uh, I really believe that we're
going to be seeing things comingup here quickly that are going
to really start. I knowlightning us to a whole new
world.

(36:46):
I know man. Another thing thatdefinitely blew my mind, or is
blowing my mind, is this? This,this idea that, okay, I have a
choice. I can make a choice, andI have often I think that maybe
I have one or two choices, likeI don't have a lot of choice,

(37:10):
and I feel pit hole, like kindof walled in, and I got this
choice or that choice, andsometimes feel like I have one
or the other. And the realitythat we have millions of
different choices that we couldchoose from. There are so many
opportunities of different wayswe could address a problem.
There's so many different waysthat we could there's millions

(37:31):
of wrong choices too, andthere's and there's a lot of
choices that will bring a zap ofelectricity and not a piece of
cheese. And the way that welearn which choices are good is
by the reward, which ties inthis element of karma, this idea
of like Instant Karma, havingthe ability to sense. I just did

(37:53):
this. How did that make me feelokay? That didn't feel so good.
I'm not gonna do that again, andto be able to learn that
quickly. Oh yeah. And look howmany times things we do the same
freaking thing over and over andover and over with the same the

(38:13):
same reaction over and theneventually, hopefully, we wake
up right and go, I don't have todo that anymore. Well,
what's the definition ofinsanity, right? Doing the same
thing over and over andexpecting a different result?
It's incredible. It's so simplethough. I mean, I just, I guess
it's, I feel like it's profound,but you're right, it's just this
simple realization. And inreality,

(38:36):
that's how we make progress,too, because we figure out what
works. And then we do it overand over and over. You know, you
don't go to yoga once and be ayogi or have a flexible body. It
has to become a practice likeand I become three, four or five
times a week to really start tohave it, having come at once.

(39:00):
Same thing with, you know, samething with spirituality. You're
not going to have an AHA andhave your whole life change.
It's a renewal. So, you know, weare renewed by what we think on
a daily basis. And so like yousaid, we'd have to guard our
thoughts like, you know, likethe Gestapo. We cannot allow

(39:20):
those thoughts to come in, whichare going to cause the
situations we don't want, who'sgoing to cause in harmony and
cause that unrest and so, andit's really made me, you know,
get Barry and I like, we like tohave our gossip Snuggles. We
call them. Well, I'm evenscared. I'm even nowadays, I do

(39:43):
not want to be talking aboutpeople or things that I can't
say right in front of them orand if I, if I do have that
feeling in my mind, I want tosay something about someone. I
really want to switch it. Youknow, they're doing the best
they can. Ya know, I forgivethem for doing that. Yeah. I.
Want to be in an attitude ofthat,
how do you respond? I'm playinglittle devil's advocate here as

(40:06):
we go along, just throwing outdifferent ideas so I can hear
what you're where you've landed,and think about, how do you
respond to the fear and paranoiapeople have about the quote
thought police, this this ideathat, like, Oh, now, like they
look at it, and so like you andI are saying, hey, look, if I

(40:27):
like what I just took from whatyou said, if I have a gossip
session with my tightest,closest person that I know is
not going to leak the Goss, Ican keep the gossip with my
tight circle. Now, one a wedon't ever know truly, that that
will never escape that moment,but, but it escapes the moment,
it escapes the moment, itescapes the moment, right? So,

(40:48):
so maybe someone then who'slistening goes, I don't like
this, because this sounds likethe freaking thought police are
gonna like now, but I don'tthink it's like that. I think
the way that you learn that thatis that this is true, is because
you feel it. It doesn't feelgood when you do it,
when you when you start toexperience peace like true

(41:15):
peace. We're, yeah, you know,I'm pretty peaceful.
Everything's okay in my liferight now, right? And you start
to experience a true sense ofpeace. And then, and you've
worked for it, through yoga,through meditation, through
prayer, through spirituality,somehow you've achieved this
sense of peace in yourself.
Well, when that gets rocked, thethought police better be around,

(41:38):
because you want to know, whatis the thought I'm thinking,
which is taking away my peaceright now? So really, when I
started, yes, when I became aminister, there's a thought in
the Course in Miracles, it goeslike this. You want the thought
please? Yeah, you want themthere. So I'm not at peace. I
must be making a wrong decision.

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But I made this decision myself,and I want to be at peace so I
can make another decision,meaning I can think another
thought. So if I'm going alongthinking about a thought about
how, you know, someone did mewrong, I can just ruminate on
that, but it takes away my peaceimmediately. So I'm like, I

(42:20):
don't like this. Now, if I'm aperson who doesn't know about
peace, I can go along just finein that way, but I can't do that
anymore, because you want to beat peace. And so once we start
to understand that level ofpeace, then when it starts to
get rattled, we you know, thethought police should come in
and with thought police at theend of the day, they should
bring you back to love, togratitude and to forgiveness and

(42:46):
re establish that vibration.
Remember, all this telepathystuff, it's vibration. We're
talking on a vibration. It'spretty low, actually, you know,
the vibration of speech isreally low, and we the vibration
of thought even higher thevibration of that consciousness
you were talking about, wherethe Akashic records are stored
in all that in Universal Mind,that's even higher, you know. So

(43:08):
we have to keep moving up, yeah,to higher levels of
communication. Do youhave a memory of a time where
you were not being exposed tothis idea, but you had a feeling
or thought of, oh, boy, maybe,maybe I just experienced

(43:32):
something that was of what Ithought telepathy was. Did you
ever have a moment? I remember aspecific moment. So that's why
I'm gonna I was in India, and Iwas practicing in Mysore, in the
room with a lot of otherstudents. And the focus was so,
so sharp each person in theroom. So right when I walked in,

(43:59):
I could feel it, the sharpness,like the clarity, like the and I
just had this. And I I rememberhaving a thought and having that
feeling of, uh oh, I don't needthat thought, because that's
felt everybody here. It justfelt like we all were in that

(44:21):
space, and it was intense, and Iwas kind of like, and that
little thought was gonna, yeah,had to Yeah, I was gonna, I was
bringing in an energy thatwasn't gonna help the group. And
therefore, I just had that. AndI was no one said anything to
me. Nobody. When I checked in atthe door, said, Hey, check your

(44:44):
thoughts before you come in,because we're all trying to, you
know, clean that up a little bitin here, it was just a felt
sense. And I kind of was like,whoa. Was that real? Like, was
that was that for real? Was thatjust me wigging? Uh, on was I in
my head too much, or it felt soreal? So, I mean, I as I was, as

(45:04):
I've been, what I've beennoticing now too, is that, now
that you know how, like, like,you said pink elephant, you
didn't, I wasn't thinking pinkoutfit. Like, okay, like, soon
as you say pink elephant, well,I'm probably not gonna walk out
and see a pink elephant. But ifyou said White Volkswagen
Beetle. Now I go out and I drivehome, there's one No way. But

(45:24):
until my mind has been put onit, I didn't think about it. So
as I from reading the book andbecoming like a little more,
whoa, like walking down thestreet, kind of watching the way
the leaves are coming off thetrees and the way they're
landing and the way the wind isblowing and going, Whoa. What's
going on here? This is intenseman like I like seeing nature

(45:48):
and seeing our reality in such adifferent way, where it feel
seeing it from the perspectiveof this. We are in a we're in a
little like a challenge game,like a we've been put here to
grow consciousness, to to evolveour consciousness, and if we

(46:10):
don't, if we, if we choose tonot do that, we're just gonna
keep getting beat up,and we can get worked over. And
we grow this consciousnessthrough thinking, right? Grow
the consciousness throughthinking, through communicating,
through relating. That's how weYeah, grow
this process me, you and I,coming together. This is where

(46:33):
the most amount of work can getdone, right?
And then we go out by ourselves,right? And we see all the trees
coming down right? But in someway, each of us has created this
universe which we're going alongin. We're creating our bubble
right that we're occupying as wetravel along through space. Now

(46:54):
what and then? You know, it'sreally our world. In some way,
becomes a direct reflection ofour inner belief system, of our
inner thoughts. So the problemis, when you start to suffer
from pain, you feel the pain, soyou you believe in the pain, so
as above, so below, and asbelow, so above. And it gets

(47:17):
into this cycle where realitycomes about, becomes about that
it's really hard to break it,you know,
it's so and that's why I reallyenjoyed, I mean, and obviously
an accumulation of knowledge andinformation is coming our way,
and we can choose to seek itout, or we can choose to try to
hide away from it. And when Iwas wanting to believe I could

(47:39):
heal my back on my own withouthaving it fixed by somebody
else. And again, I'll still keepthe door open. I'll still stay
open minded if I need to havesomebody help me in that
department, I'll go there. Butas I was reading some Joe
Dispenza work and breaking thehabit of being yourself, or
something to that effect, thattitle and this concept of
quantum physics, of like,imagine the body that you're

(48:01):
stepping into. And as you takethe step, imagine you've walked
into that body that's pain free,and you're like, gosh, that
sounds so simple. Maybe it is.
Maybe it takes time. Though, Idon't feel like it's
simple. You know, we didn't cometo believe in our pain
overnight. However, we cutourselves, if you just keep it

(48:24):
clean, we're gonna sit there andwe watch it. We watch it heal.
Well, we don't have any doubtthat that's gonna that my cuts
gonna heal. Good point. John,now I got pain in my back that
seems a little more serious thanthis cut in my arm, right? Is
it? They say there's, you know,there's no, there's no level of

(48:45):
difficulties. And miracles, inthe Course in Miracles, there is
no level of difficulty. Sohealing the cut on the arm or
healing the back is the samething, but our belief system is
different. We believe that wehave a structural problem. So we
go about all this stuff, andthen we have 20 other people
that are going to confirm it,because they have bad backs. And
bad backs. And then everybodygot this big back bag club going

(49:05):
on. And we all got bad backs,you know. And I'm always
remember that club too, for along time, and, you know. So
it's amazing, how fast amazing,you know, it's I was reading a
book the other day, some ladysaid she was testing it. She
goes, you know, and startedsaying, I have a sore throat. I
have a sore throat. I have asore throat. Well, two days

(49:25):
later, she had a sore throat,then she was able to, he took a
little longer to get rid of it,then took her to get it, but she
was able to get rid of it thesame way, you know, yeah. And as
we use those, you know, whateverwe're affirming in life is what
we're getting, you know, so wegot to be so that's another
reason to monitor and guard yourthoughts. If I'm sitting here

(49:46):
saying I am this or that I'mtired, I'm broke, I'm depressed,
I'm angry, I'm pissed off, ifI'm saying those things, you're
going to meet a John Dennythat's going to reflect those.
Yeah, and that's the otherproblem. We have our spiritual
being, and it's always creating,always creating, always

(50:06):
creating, never observing.
That's why we got to be carefulthe gossip snuggles and but what
is its creation? Well, mine'screation is John Denny, and
yours creation is Todd, youknow. So you have this being,
you have. We have our spiritualthought being, and it's, and
it's creating. God created theheavens and the earth. We
created this being of lighthere, you know, yeah, and what?

(50:30):
And what is that being, youknow? And that being is a direct
product of our thoughts andbelief systems.
Great point. I guess then thatsort of old fear that you keep
hearing me bring up, andobviously, if I bring it up
again, I'm feeling like I'malready missing the point of

(50:52):
what you just said, but isactually I was going to say the
old fear, the old fear I hadabout the Thought Police is
actually liberation. Becauseonce I realize and I start to
churn in the direction ofliberation, right? It's

(51:12):
liberation. Whatdo we all want? That
simple all along, it was thateasy, like, whoa. Why'd it take
me so long? Why? I mean,obviously I know why. I mean, I
get it. I understand why, youknow, but, but I just think how
funny. That's why. I think theshift, this little multi

(51:33):
dimensional shift that we'refeeling is like it's speeding
up, man. I mean, if you lookaround and you just pay
attention, I mean, and not onthe news, like, don't even go
there to try to pay attention.
I'm talking more like justimmediate environment, family,
friends. What is happening withclose family members? How is the
communication dynamic right now?

(51:55):
How is the I mean, I spent thismorning. I got up at five, and I
was telling so one of the thingsthat Mr. Campbell kind of got
going back in the late 60s and70s, and whether or not he's the
original founder of this, butthe binaural beats, and so I've
been putting on headphones andusing these tones where it takes
your mind from the really highintensity thinking thought forms

(52:16):
down into like the just beforesleep thought forms. And I've
been finding like, after goingand sitting and meditating for
like 10 days at a Vipassanameditation retreat, by like day
eight, nine, you finally getlike, wow, my mind is starting
to calm down. It took like eightdays of sitting around a cushion
for 12 hours a day, but finally,and with these binaural beats in

(52:38):
one session in 30 minutes,getting so deep right down into
that space where all I want todo is who's my fit, who are the
members around me that I'm notgetting along with? I love you,
right? I love you. And then evensomething I heard too, don't
even come in that strong rightaway, ask maybe for some

(53:00):
permission. Is it okay if I comein and offer you some love,
right? Like that kind ofthought. Is it okay if I want
to, I want to approach you, andI really want to heal what we
have going on. And is it okay ifI come in and offer some love
instead of because, at first, Iwant to just be like, love. I

(53:20):
love you. Heal now and then andalmost being like, whoa, whoa,
whoa, take a step back. Calmdown. Just relax, relax, relax.
And ask for permission, and thenwait to see. What do I hear?
What do I feel if they say, No,okay, I still want to let you
know that I love you, but Irespect your space, so let me

(53:41):
just, you know, give you somespace. Yeah. Well, what do you
think? What do you think is thatbeing too polite? Should you
just come in hard and heavy withthe love? Or do you
when I was learning mymetaphysical work, my meditation
has four different areas, right?
So there's health and abundance,or two of them, and Carol said,
you can really only pray forpeople in health and abundance

(54:03):
who are open to it and want it.
Because otherwise, if they wanttheir ownness, if they want
their maladies, they're going tobe believing those and if they
want lack and they want to bebroke, they can be broke. Well,
then there's universal harmony,which is basically the power of
love and right action. He said,send those to everybody. They'll

(54:24):
just build up on the doorstep.
So you can, you know, send thatlove to everyone, and sooner or
later, they are going to receiveit. So I think you can go pretty
hard with the love, but I think,like you said, though you got to
be kind of careful. You can't,you know, the the person has to
be ready to be healed. Now, Ibelieve God works through
doctors. I believe God worksthrough you, you know, you keep

(54:46):
people from a pain you you tryto help people live a pain free
life. That's the same idea. Itry to help people live a
confusion free life, you know,or at least a little bit less.
Used. So it's the same thingthough. Just getting rid of the
pain and suffering, we're allgoing through the same stuff
anyway. Yeah,good point. Yeah, that's a good

(55:06):
point. Interesting, yeah. Andyou know, if you break a bone, I
go to a doctor to make sure yougot it set right. And you know,
God works through doctors.
There's a reason why we havethat profession out there, you
know, I think at thatfoundational level, the ideas

(55:27):
were to help people, yeah,do you feel that there
sometimes, some conversationI've heard around this is that
be really careful, because ifyou start astral traveling, you
might find yourself landing in aworld that you can't get out.
And then the more I did someresearch, I heard them people

(55:48):
that are really good at it say,No, you don't need to worry
about that. What you need tojust do is, once you feel that
you're in a space that you don'twant to be in, move out right
away. Like just move out. Justleave that little move, that
little space you know. And Ithink most of us, you know, are
probably not going to experiencetrue astral travel, as far as at

(56:09):
some levels, we leave byhowever, I think we all
experience it in things likelucid dreaming, even dreaming,
even dreaming, you're going intoa place where you weren't. But
last year, I had a dream where Iwas in the dream walking along,
and I'm like, I'm dreaming rightnow. I'm in a dream, but I'm
fully awake. Yes. And I said, ifthis is true, I should be able

(56:33):
to jump down this flight ofstairs like a skateboarder, and
no problem, and bonk it down tothe bottom. Jump down the first
flight of stairs, land at thebottom. No problem. I look at
his second flight of stairs.
This one's like a 30 stairflight. I'm like, I can do it
again. So I jumped on the secondflight of stairs. Then I'm like,

(56:54):
I'm dreaming, yeah. So then Ijumped into the Grand Canyon to
start flying like Superman,flying down this cabin, yeah.
And then I flew out into space,and I saw other people flying,
and I was like, it's kind ofweird. They must be parachuting,
since I'm no one else can flyexcept me, right? Yeah? And I
fly down to them, where they'reall flying too, yeah. We all
flew down into this, like, boardmeeting, and I found myself in

(57:16):
this long room, but it was, itwasn't like any other dream,
because I was deciding what Iwas gonna do. I wasn't reacting.
I was doing it. Yeah, it wasreally a bizarre experience. I
had one this week too. John,amazing, amazing, amazing. That
realization, you're in it going,Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

(57:39):
wait a minute. Whoa, this isactually a dream, right? I'm in
this dream right now, right? Andthis is the thing that I was
hoping to try to have contactwith. And I'm dreaming, you
know? I was just blown. I wokeup and I went, Whoa, data point.
Write that one down. I've beengetting really I've been trying
to write every every morning,write gratitude journal, and
then get up before I meditate,write what I'm thinking, what my

(58:02):
intention is, what myaffirmation is, do the
meditation come out? And thenwrite down whatever happened, as
much detail as I can remember.
That's cool. And I'm finding ifI don't do it right after three
or four hours later, it's justlike dreaming. Yeah, it's like
meditation. And this is really afascinating aspect too, because
I and I heard that this wasmentioned by Mr. Campbell that
some meditation traditions justsay, just stay in your body. And

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that's how the positivemeditation was. When I did
training there, they said, juststay in your body. Stay in your
body, stay on the sensation. Andthis is kind of, this is way
more exciting, because you getto go out of just your knees and
your ankles and your shoulderyou're though it is way more
creative imaginative. It feelsway more exciting, and like you

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can, you can actually have somefun, and you can heal, and you
can meet some amazing people.
You can talk to people that youhaven't talked to in ages and
ages, and it's justwhat's funny. It was funny about
that is, you know, you hear somuch about heart centered
meditation, okay? And I teach itin Heart Math, and there is a

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definite power to being incontrol of our physical body, to
be in control of my respiratorysystem, control of my cardiac
system, control of my nervoussystem and my hormonal system. I
mean conscious control. But whatI've been taught about
meditation, and I went to myheart center for years. Someone

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told me one time, it's not aboutthere. If you're going to your
heart center, where are youfocusing from? And I'm like,
well, for somehow from my head,he goes, well, then go to your
head center. So we go to thecrown, basically the crown
chakra, right up behind that,above the pineal gland, and I
found this head centeredmeditation brings me to a place
way beyond my body centeredmeditation. I mean, I can't even

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tell you, and I knew it. I knewit right away. I knew it on,
like, on the second day I didit. I'm like, wow, that's a
different experience. It's adifferent experience.
Experience, yeah, and yeah,yeah, you know. And then
hopefully we'll find ourselvesin the hill where we can
actually communicate back andforth. But you know. And let me
justclarify. You just said the hill,
not hell, just right. Anyway,listening, he did not say

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hopefully we go to hell. No,once you listen to telepathy
tape, show. Nobody's talkingabout, okay, thank you. Good. I
just want to make sure, becauseone time I heard them say Hill,
and I thought they said hell, Iwent to hell to communicate. I'm
like, no, no, no, I don't wantto go down there,
going to the hill, so hopefullythat's where

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we're headed. Oh gosh, man,yeah, man, well, wow, John,
thank you again. We have to doit again. Episode. Let's
experiment. Let's get some datapoints. Come back and see if
anything has been revealed. Seewhat kind of feedback people
listening to this. If they whattheir thoughts are. I just
highly recommend everybody well,I mean, do telepathy tapes

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first, in my opinion, because mybig toe is a big dive. It's
super scientific. But I mean, ifyou're, if you're more of a
scientifically based person likeI am, I would say, go to my big
toe, because you are gonna havea you're gonna have to come up
with some good debate argumentpoints to go against some of

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this stuff, and I can't wait tohear what, what some of that is,
because I want to be challenged,and I want to grow and learn,
and i That's why I'm here, andthat's why I'm so glad you're
here, John, thank you.
Well, let's keep seeking,knocking and asking. We'll find
those answers and pierce theveil. So thank you for having me
again. Todd, I really enjoybeing on your podcast and
looking forward to the nexttime.

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