July 3, 2025 • 41 mins
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Ever wondered if you're carrying the weight of your ancestors' mistakes? In this thought-provoking episode of Navigate, Tim and Justin tackle the controversial concept of generational curses and blessings, offering clarity on one of Christianity's most misunderstood teachings.
The conversation begins by examining biblical references to hereditary sin, from the disciples questioning Jesus about a blind man's condition to God's statements about "visiting iniquity to the third and fourth generation." But rather than settling for simplistic answers, the hosts dig deeper into what these passages truly mean for believers today. They thoughtfully distinguish between supernatural "curses" and the natural consequences of growing up in environments shaped by destructive patterns.
What emerges is a nuanced understanding of how family history influences our spiritual journey without determining our destiny. The hosts share powerful insights about Christ specifically coming to break curses, wearing the crown of thorns as a visible symbol of His authority over every generational pattern of sin. For listeners struggling with family cycles of addiction, anger, or other destructive behaviors, this episode offers both practical wisdom and spiritual hope.
The conversation also explores the crucial role of mentors in spiritual growth, challenging the common misconception that mentors should be comprehensive guides rather than specialists who help in specific areas of need. Tim and Justin emphasize that righteous living creates pathways for blessing even in darkness, while acknowledging that our daily choices matter more than our ancestry.
Whether you're wrestling with your family's spiritual legacy or simply seeking to understand biblical teachings on blessing and cursing, this episode provides thoughtful, scripture-grounded perspectives that avoid both oversimplification and mysticism. Listen now to discover how Christ offers not just forgiveness but a completely new identity and spiritual bloodline to every believer.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
guys, welcome back to navigate.
It's been a minute, it's been abit hi, justin what's up, my
brother?
How you been.
It's been a while, uh, goodbeen busy.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
There's some stuff in the works.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
People been cranking yeah, yeah, we're gonna do an
episode pretty soon probably.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Probably the next one we drop.
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, until then, stay tuned, we're going to
continue.
Topics by Tim.
Yes, which is what I shouldhave named this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Topics by T.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yep After four years, after four.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's just.
Tim's cynical topics session noTim's cynical topics session no
, tim's therapy.
It's been a counseling sessionfor all of us that everyone's
invited to.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And I haven't learned a thing.
I'm just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Neither have I.
I'm just here.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Hit a button.
That's right, that's right.
I'm just kidding.
I've enjoyed this actually, butyeah, we got some information
coming.
Justin's got some big thingsahead his way, so stay tuned,
yep.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's going to be fun.
Yeah, we'll talk more.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
In the meantime, I have a topic for you.
Okay, hit me.
And this is something I've kindof never understood and I don't
know if I believe so clarifysome things for me.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, it's the idea of uh, basically like bloodlines
um generational sins Okay,Generational sins, generational
curses, blessings Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I've heard these terms because didn't Jesus get
asked the same thing by thePharisees Um the sins of your
fathers?
Know?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
well, they asked him a question.
The disciples asked him aquestion about the, the
paralytic man who sinned uh.
You know that, or, or I think,actually I think it was a blind
man who sinned uh in in john 9,this man or his parents right
right that he's uh, you knowthat, that he's got this
particular predicament, and hesays neither but so that the
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glory of God might be manifest.
Sure, you know what I mean.
So that he would be put ondisplay, which is a frustrating
answer for people who are on awitch hunt.
You know what I mean?
Well, that kind of tells methere's no such thing as a
generational curse.
Yeah, there's like a there'struths here, and then there's a
way that you can take truths toofar.
All right, there's a wholeconversation in our world today
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around races.
I don't know if you know this,tim, but some people are like
there's a whole podcast rightnow called Stone Temple Choir
and their whole bit is basicallythat white people are more
superior because we're not acursed race.
Wow, I mean it's like a wholeJames White just had a debate
with some people on it.
I mean it's pretty, it's weird,like there is a group of people
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that are legitimately like whitesupremac to break that curse
and comes to bring hope andbring joy and bring restoration
and renewal and all the thingsthat come along with that.
In this particular story inJohn 9, I think what Jesus is
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ultimately trying to do is topoint out the fact that you're
seeing versus how God wants touse brokenness and blessing and
curse and what's happened inthis world because of sin and
whatever else to his own gloryand his own good.
So you have that story wherehe's like neither but because of
this.
But then in other circumstances, like I think it's in what is
it?
John 5?
There's a story with theparalytic Tim where he talks to
the guy and I think it's 38years that he's been laying on
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that mat the paralytic.
And he heals the guy and then hetells him go, sin no more, so
that something worse might nothappen to you.
Yeah, okay, which is like thiswell, crap, okay.
So is it my sin that isproducing these things, or is it
not sin that's producing thesethings?
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What gives?
And only God knows what are theconsequences of actual, let's
say, a kind of curse that is ona bloodline or a family, versus
what is the consequence of justsin in general, because we live
in a fallen world and you havetwo of those things going on.
And what had happened is theynarrowed it.
The disciples had narrowed itdown to well, if something is
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wrong with someone, it must bebecause they're a sinner.
All right, this is Job'sfriends.
All right, job's friends aretalking to him and the entire
conversation is Job.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What did you do?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You must have pissed off God.
You've done something.
What did you do?
Yeah, this must be your fault.
And he's like I swear, this isnot on me, I didn't do anything.
And they're like well, we knowthat God is good Job and we know
that God blesses people Job,and you are clearly afflicted
Job.
And so this now it's a witchhunt.
(05:26):
Now we're going to find whythis is the case.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
To me just a side note.
That's a whole conversationwith his friends.
It's just to me a modern dayBible study.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, when somebody comes up,you have the Bible study circle.
You know where.
Somebody comes up and says okay, I have this question, you know
.
And then everybody takes theirturn in the circle giving.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, or it's the simple answer of well, Jesus is
the answer Pray more.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Like those are Part of the reason I started this
podcast.
Yeah, I got tired of that.
Those same answers, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Like somebody.
Please break this down.
Yeah, the thing is, thoseanswers aren't necessarily wrong
.
They're not wrong but they'renot helpful.
Oftentimes they need handles andagain, in certain circumstances
, it's not even that somebodyhas done something or that their
parents did something.
It's that we live in a fallenworld, replete with this idea of
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righteousness producingblessing for you and your
offspring and your home, andthat wickedness produces really
bad things Like they.
Literally stuff follows you,and we should be thoughtful and
not say in the moment, well,it's one or it's the other.
We should be weighing theentire Bible and what it says
about this, and so, in any givencircumstance, if a righteous
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person is experiencingaffliction, our question
shouldn't be well, is he reallyrighteous?
First, you know what I mean.
The question should be okay howdo we support this person?
How do we help them?
How do we encourage them?
And how do we help them?
How do we encourage them andhow that pans out.
How do you help, encourage,support somebody is finding out
what the root of the actualissue is and helping them walk
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through it, and in somecircumstances, the root is
unclear.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So can you like to live righteously?
Could the sins of mygrandfather or my father prevent
me from pursuing that?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I think, in one sense , yes, in another sense, no.
All right, because there iselection, right.
So whoever God chooses andregenerates is ultimately going
to be saved, even if the wholeworld threw everything that it
had at him.
Why?
Because Christ is more powerfulthan whatever you have going on
in your life at any givenmoment.
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In another sense, yeah, doessomebody who's born in freaking
Africa you know that's in anarea that's worshiping pagan
gods and sacrificing chickensand lambs and doing witchcraft?
Is that person less likely tobe saved?
Yes, yeah, like that's just anenvironment that it's going to
be incredibly difficult for.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
For bring it down even lower.
I'm thinking of, like, peoplewho are alcoholics maybe.
Yeah, they saw that with theirparents, they saw that with
their grandparents, whatever itmight be well, you know yeah, I
mean, does that it?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
it's.
It's clear from a geneticstandpoint that people with
alcoholism in generations tocome will continue to struggle
with alcoholism, and you got tobe careful about that.
We talk about people with anaddictive personality.
You know what I mean.
It's just I'm wired a littlebit more to rely on stuff that I
shouldn't, or to be looking foran adrenaline rush in the wrong
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places.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's the same with anger.
Guilty of that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's the same with anger, it's the same with
depression, it's the same with alot of things.
Now, most people struggle withall of that, but if you give in
long enough, you can createstrongholds, and strongholds
become habits in your householdand then household habits become
generational things that peoplecarry with them.
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So there's like the Thomistapproach to this or Thomas
Aquinas, like there's thenaturalistic explanation which
is if you live in a particularway, particular things are going
to follow not just you but yourfamily.
Why?
Because your parents are theones who help instill identity
in you and who you're watchingand walking with and following
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with.
It's pretty hard to break offfrom that and to do something
totally different.
It happens to the grace of Godand there's tools and there's
opportunities, and there's tonsof stories of people wanting to
break cycles and getting tobreak cycles.
But without a lot ofintentionality and, in a lot of
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situations, an act of God, man,it can be really hard to break
free from those things.
And so, jesus, the beginning ofthe Bible starts with blessings
and curses.
Okay, jesus creates theuniverse and all of these things
and flat earthers, don't getmad at me for saying universe,
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get over it.
He creates all this stuff andhe says it's good.
There's a blessing in that.
This is good, this is a goodthing.
When Adam and Eve are created,you know what I mean?
This is a very good thing thatyou know there's two of them.
And then Genesis 3 hits and whathappens?
Curses, curses, cursed is theground because of you, thorns
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and thistles that will produceall the days of your life.
You know, you'll eat of thesweaty of your brow.
From the dust you are to thedust you shall return.
And he doesn't curse Adam there, right, he curses the ground.
Curses the ground because ofyou, yeah.
And then Eve, right, hey,childbirth is going to suck.
Yeah, uh, childbirth is goingto suck and you're going to have
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a natural tendency to rule overyour husband.
Why, well, what happened in thatinstance is that she wasn't
submitting to her husband, butactually was listening to the
devil.
And uh then takes what thedevil gave her and gives it to
her husband.
Yeah, all right.
So well, what do we have there?
A picture of of a, uh, a personnot doing what they were
supposed to be doing and insteadtaking somebody else's covering
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an idea and then bringing itinto their marriage.
All right, and then?
So what is the curse?
Well, that's actually going tobe something that you're going
to struggle with now.
There's going to be a tendencyfor you, eve, to want to get
information from another placeand still rule and reign and try
to tell your husband what heshould be doing.
In some of these circumstancesand that might piss everybody
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off I've made a thousandbalancing statements on this
podcast.
Go back and listen to theothers.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
But there's a, there's a, there's a picture
there of something else that'sgoing on, and what we know in
the gospel narrative is thatJesus is the one who is who is
overcoming the curse.
He's the one with the thornsand thistles buried into his
head when he's crucified on thecross as a symbol that he's
actually reversing every curse.
It's the reconciliation of allthings, and those who want to
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live under the curse can liveunder the curse.
But those who want to liveunder the blessing now have a
way to live under the blessingwhere before it was incredibly
it was hard to do that from a,from an identity standpoint.
You could only do it from a thegrace of God and him providing
an environment where youwouldn't blow it up.
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Right, all right.
So the, the law, is a greattool to keep people, let's say,
in the car while they're drivingthrough the nasty neighborhood,
but it's not going to change,say, in the car while they're
driving through the nastyneighborhood, but it's not going
to change the people in the car.
Jesus came to change theidentity of the people in the
car while you're in the nastyneighborhood.
So now I'm not just not runninginto and engaging with these
people, but I'm actually not oneof them entirely.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know, I see that not just with our parents too,
because I think when you'regrowing up you see your parents
do stuff and you oh I must beokay to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, talking about the generational stuff, yeah,
like how many kids were exposedto pornography at like seven and
eight years old, sure.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah.
And then I'm thinking like,even when I was a new Christian
right, and we would talk todifferent youth pastors and
stuff, adult, I remember doingthose and hearing them like
swear.
You know, I'm a new guy, right,so I'm like, oh, so it is okay
to swear, cool yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
You know what I mean.
It's like he's doing.
He's been a Christian for howlong?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Longer than me, so he must have figured something out
that I don't understand yet,and so I think, as
responsibility for ourselves too, for us Christians, how we go
about with people watching us aswell about with people watching
us as well.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, just break down what you said for a second
there too, because what you saidwas somebody that I trust and
respect and is supposed to knowabout this stuff basically
shared, through how he wasbehaving, what is acceptable
identity for somebody who'ssupposed to be doing these
things?
Right, yeah, right, that's anidentity move.
So you didn't just look at himand say I guess these are the
rules or not the rules.
You looked at that person assomebody that you believe you're
supposed to follow and said,okay, this must be part of the
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path.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
It's a deeper thing.
It's the same with your parentsand your friends and all these
things.
People can influence you.
Ultimately, the word of God isthe one place that we should be
going to find clarity and hopeon these things.
It is also the one place thatmost people seem to avoid.
Tell me why, tim.
Why do?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
people not read the Bible.
I think it's the same withpeople and theology.
They'd rather read a book by aguy who did all the work and
then just copy him.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh, it's like AI before AI existed.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I'd rather just talk to a pastor who's read the Bible
about the problem, instead ofme going out and figuring out
the problem myself?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
well, it's good to find mentors and helpful people
along the way, but the thing is,we should also be bouncing it
off of the word itself, rightand?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
if your mentor what I'm saying, why do the work when
I know somebody who's alreadydone it can just just lazy.
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's google iswhat I would call it people who
read john calvin and become acalvinist, but it's into.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
it's built into our nature to look to elders, right
and smarter people than us, andwant to learn, so it's not a bad
thing to like dude.
We literally do a podcast wherewe try to break things down for
people, help them understand itGod help us.
Um, but everything that we'retalking about should be bounced
off of the Bible.
Yeah, and everybody.
If we have questions and stuffabout this, we really should be
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going to God and checking.
Yeah, and the very fact thatyou're like, oh, this guy swears
it must be okay, there shouldbe a check first that says, huh,
I wonder what the Bibleactually has to say about that.
What is what was the context inwhich it was used?
About that, what is what wasthe context in which it was used
?
There should be like a a stopgap between espousing habits you
know what I mean Before we justjump in wholeheartedly and give
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ourselves to those things.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, that's what I thought a mentor actually was.
Not that sense, but like if I'mreading the Bible I don't
understand the passage.
I could text like it was youfor a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
You and I used to text back and forth all the time
yeah, all the time, you and Iused to text back and forth all
the time Like what the heck ishe talking about?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
What does this mean To me?
That's a mentor.
Is me reading going to them belike I don't understand this?
This is what I think it means.
How do you interpret this, dude?
I did that.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I did that this morning.
I was reading 1 Kings 8, andhe's talking about giving
forgiveness Lord, grantingforgiveness to these people so
that they would fear your nameand I was trying to understand
what the connection betweenforgiveness and fearfulness is
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like.
Giving forgiveness to somebody,why would I fear God more if he
forgives me?
And I just think we have afundamental misunderstanding
about what forgiveness actuallyis and how that should create
something in us.
But I'm like, ah, I gotta, Igotta delve on that more.
I'm not, I haven't nailed thatdown yet.
Maybe it's a silly little thingand nobody else nobody else
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cares about that.
But those, those things pop upin the Bible all the time and if
you're reading it, you're goingto hit stuff.
You're like I don't know whatthat means.
Man, I gotta, I gotta workthrough that.
I have found that the Bibletends to answer its own
questions the more you read it.
Yeah, Uh, if I'm readingthrough the Bible, I'll hit a
question in Job, and then I'llbe reading in you know, uh, you
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know Galatians, or somethinglater on, and I'm like, oh, this
actually answers that questionthat I had.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Those are great moments to have Like.
I'll read something like thattoo, like wait, I've heard this
before.
Yeah, where have I heard thisbefore?
And I go back, you know, try tofind it again.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And then you start writing down all the little
hyperlinks in your own.
Bible with notes and stuff.
I love that.
I do it all the time.
I feel like every Bible for meis like a journal of me trying
like 30 Bibles and my kids canjust look through those and be
like, oh, he was wrong on thatone.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But you know, at least he was trying Right.
You've gone back and like nope,I was wrong, there had a whole
section.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I remember I wrote a note in the margin and then I
went back later and I had tolike cross it out and I was like
, wrong, yeah, I mean there'sprobably I can't think of
anything at this moment, but I'msure there's stuff.
I've even said on this podcastbefore that I'm like, oh man, I
don't know if I totally line upwith that anymore.
I mean, it's a growth processof walking in righteousness as
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clearly as you can and trustingGod to guide you in the blessing
that he's given to you.
And mentors and mentors, listento me are not just people.
A couple words on this.
Mentors are not people that makeyou feel comfortable.
Mentors oftentimes make youfeel a little bit uncomfortable
because they're in a differentplace than you are.
They're not as easy to connectwith.
You know what I mean, andthat's almost frustrating.
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Like we want to hang out withpeople that we connect with and
help us feel comfortable andlike they understand us because
they're in a similar spot.
But the reality is, is peoplethat are not in a similar spot
to you might actually be in thespot that you're trying to get
to, and, uh, it's uncomfortableprecisely because they're
actually the people that youshould be spending time with and
growing and learning from.
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Um.
The other word about mentors ismentors are usually not
comprehensive.
They're they're specific.
So everybody wants like.
People say this thing, likewho's your Paul and who's your
Timothy, and I'm like it justdoesn't count.
It's like saying who's yourJesus, you know, and who's your
Peter?
Well, it's like, well, nobody'sJesus, nobody's going to be
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able to provide everything thatyou need in every area.
There's a couple people who aregoing to be proficient in a
couple of areas and we shouldlook to those people in those
circumstances.
But that means that person isnot like a relational father to
you, as much as they were anincredible help in this
situation.
Less that I'm going to followevery aspect of that person's
life, because that's less of athing.
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Pastors are supposed to becloser to that.
But even even pastors wouldadmit most that I know are
generalists.
They have to be able to kind oftalk and give wisdom in every
area of life because they'reministering to people in every
area of life.
But even then that that makesthem a generalist, not a
specialist, you know.
So, in in specific areas whereyou need specific help, you need
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specific mentors, um, and thatthat can unlock some stuff for
you in difficult areas.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But uh, for me it's more.
I don't want to bother thembecause they're busy.
They tell me all the time howbusy they are.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Or second I'm afraid if I text somebody a verse I
don't understand, that in theirhead they're like this is basic
Christianity, you moron.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Good news is people don't talk to you the way that
you talk to yourself in your ownhead Are you even saved.
We generally have a far loweropinion of ourselves than other
people do, and it's just thereality of things.
Man and I think it was I justposted something on this but
Dwight DL Moody, he literallysaid basically something along
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the lines of nobody has causedme more harm in my life than
myself.
You know, nobody's been aperson it's like, yeah, that is
that's accurate.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
That's been the fun about this podcast and I've had
people tell me this all the time.
One because of the questions Iask, which is very humbling,
Thank you.
But one person told me he he'slike you ask the questions.
I think of that.
I would never want to askjustin, that's what people tell
me.
That sucks so bad.
I promise I'm not a monster.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I don't even.
I don't even see myself as like, um, I don't know.
None of us see ourselves theway other people see us.
Yeah, right, I don.
I don't see myself as some,like you know, erudite, put
together, individual.
I just love Jesus and I lovethe word and I'm trying to help
other people work stuff out andit's yeah, I mean, there aren't
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stupid questions, although Iwould say sometimes people ask
questions with assumptions thatare underneath them that make
the question a bad question andyeah, like.
So just just be thoughtful.
Like you said a second ago, tim, like sometimes you feel like
you're going to waste somebody'stime by asking a question or
something and I would say, well,then, formulate the question
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before you ask it.
You know, write the thing down.
If you have somebody that youwant to learn from, write the
things down that you want tolearn from them before you meet
them, so that you don't do thatthing that people do when they
get up at, like, an open forumand they're like I, uh the thing
, and they try to, like you know, work through it.
It's just not that.
Write it down, just justuntangle your thoughts before
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you get there.
That's at least a way to honorthe person that you're trying to
talk to and, man, somethingthat I've been very blessed by
and I notice and I've seen otherpeople do when I'm asking
questions is like have yourphone out to take notes or have
a pen and pad if you're oldschool to take notes.
If you're talking to somebodyand you actually want their
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information, it's not the momentthat you're trying to capture,
it's actually what happens afterthe moment that matters, and
nothing means more to me than ifI'm talking to somebody about
something and trying to helpthem through something, that
they're actually taking notesbecause that tells me they
actually want to apply this,they actually want to help.
That makes me want to help youmore, because I'm not interested
in making somebody feel good inthe moment as much as I'm
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trying to actually help thatperson through the uncomfortable
thing that they need to face.
And I am not a I'm not aspiritual aspirin.
You know what I mean.
And I think a lot, of, a lot ofpeople want to use pastors as
spiritual aspirin and that'sokay.
Aspirin's good, but it's notgoing to.
It's not going to solve thelong-term problems.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
We have an episode called spiritual aspirin, so you
guys go check that one out.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, go go, give that a go.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Getting back to a little bit more of the
generational stuff.
Yeah, Um, I kind of cut you offwhen you were talking about a
righteous person who goesthrough something.
We shouldn't be all judgingthem all of a sudden, right,
it's like were they ever reallyrighteous?
And you know what you said.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
The Jewish system was so steeped in the idea of good
people and bad people andblessed people and cursed people
that they kind of left out thecategory for fallen world a
little bit and spiritual warfare, Like those things, weren't
nearly as integrated.
In fact, if you read the OldTestament you don't hear a lot
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about demons.
You don't hear now they'rethere Like implicitly.
You can read in differentcircumstances.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You'll hear like an unclean spirit did this or that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But it's like it's almost foreign, tim, when you
get to the New Testament thatJesus is just casting out demons
left and right, like if youread the Old Testament and then
you just start reading the NewTestament, you hadn't read it
before.
It's like where'd all thedemons come from?
Man?
This got weird, like it wasweird in Genesis 6.
Haven't really heard aboutthese things much like barely.
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And now I'm over here and it'slike dude, everybody's got a
demon.
Like everybody's got somethinggoing on.
It's all epic and I think in alot of ways that's because
behind the scenes all thesethings were going on, but it
wasn't part of the categoriesthat people were generally
thinking with.
It was cursed people, blessedpeople and again, that's a fair
category, it's real, it's partof the Bible.
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It's just not the full picture.
And so when Jesus comes, hedoesn't just break the curse, he
also disarms the rulers andauthorities and principalities,
he gives the keys to the kingdom, he unlocks basically the world
for the gospel to go forward,which is why he says all
authority on heaven and earthhas been given to me.
So, if you can imagine, thewhole world is kind of locked
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down.
There's demonic presences andentities that are ruling over
all these different areas, andGod's people are kind of at war
with these wicked places, butthey're not in a very real way.
Until Christ comes and declaresthe world his again, they're
not able to do what they werebefore.
So you had this seriousdistinction light, darkness,
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good evil and all of that goodevil and all of that.
But the internal strugglethat's going on with individuals
and the legitimate, let's say,spiritual aspect gets so just
amplified on a way higher levelin the New Testament to help us
understand a little bit more ofwhat's going on.
So when Jesus talks to theseguys and he's like, look, it
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wasn't them, it wasn't him orhis parents, this one happened
so that God could be glorified.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, as a consequence of sin,this person's brokenness exists
and God has allowed these brokenthings to happen so that
ultimately he would receiveglory as he redeems and brings
all things back to himself.
So that's kind of the answer ina nutshell.
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But yeah, you shouldn't walkinto a situation and be like,
well, if you have cancer, it'sbecause you deserve it.
If you have a wayward kid man,you screwed that up.
Yeah, everybody screws up.
There's no perfect parent right, but… there is a real sense in
which the way that we live ourlives and get passed down to the
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people around us.
If your finances are in theshambles, your kids' finances
are probably also going to berough.
If you were an abusive parent,there's a good chance that your
kids are going to be abusers orabused, because that's the
environment that we've createdand taught them implicitly is
normal.
But I also think there's aspiritual aspect to this
blessing too, because if you'vegrown up in a Christian home and
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you've had people praying foryou your whole life, I think
there's a greater tug.
I think there's more legitimateangelic protection for, uh,
christians Um, I mean, tim, Icould tell you tons of stories
about people walking into ahouse even before they were
saved.
When they were saved, in like aChristian environment and
knowing in that instance I'm notsupposed to be here, I got to
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go.
They're not even like at aplace where they even fully
understand what's going on butknow something is seriously off
and they need to go.
That's a blessing man.
Go, that's a blessing man.
That is angelic protection and,like God's servants, pushing
you out of an environment thatyou're not supposed to be in and
warning your heart.
That goes beyond the conscience.
The conscience makes you feelguilty.
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You know what I mean.
Or is going to help you feel alittle bit of shame where you
need to, or is going to likeremind you hey, don't do that.
But sometimes it's beyond that.
You're like I didn't doanything.
I walked into a building.
Why am I feeling this way?
My father-in-law tells thisstory all the time of him
hanging out with this girl andbeing over at their house and he
says the whole time he justfeels awful, like something.
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Something is jacked up and hegoes into the room behind him,
like, gets up, goes into thekitchen, which is kind of like
behind the living room.
Uh, like, like, gets up, goesinto the kitchen, which is kind
of like behind the living room,and uh, he says, uh, this girl's
mom was doing tarot cards onthe on the table behind him and
she looked up at him and he saidit felt like something was
literally pushing me out of thehouse.
He's like I don't even remembermy uh, you know, like my feet
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moving, he said, is the girl waslike why?
Why are you freaking out?
We're just watching a movie,and he said that she was in
front of him, trying to push him, and literally it was like he
was literally just continuing tomove forward.
She was like getting pushed outof the way.
I think stories like that areinteresting.
I can tell you probably 10 ofthose of people who didn't even
understand what was going on andand God moving in a way to like
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pull them out of an environmentthat they weren't supposed to
be in, and I think that's that'sblessing man.
And in the same way, I thinkblessing, even brought into dark
spaces, creates a lot ofdiscomfort for the darkness.
Let me read a.
Let me read a Psalm to you, tim, that I was reading earlier
today as well Psalm 112.
All right, and this is anencouragement.
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And again, this is theplatitudes right, this is the
grand scale overarching right,wrong, good, bad, you know, evil
, righteous.
It's that spectrum, but it'sworth reading.
Here's what it says Praise theLord.
How blessed is the man whofears the Lord, who greatly
delights in his commands.
His descendants will be mightyon the earth.
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The generation of the uprightwill be blessed.
Wealth and riches are in hishouse and his righteousness
endures forever.
Light arises in the darknessfor the upright.
He is gracious andcompassionate and righteous.
It is well with the man who isgracious and lends.
He will maintain his cause injudgment, for he will never be
shaken.
The righteous will beremembered forever.
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He will not fear evil tidings.
His heart is steadfast,trusting the Lord.
His heart is upheld.
He will not fear until he lookswith satisfaction on his
adversaries.
He is given freely to the poor.
His righteousness enduresforever.
His horn will be exalted inhonor.
The wicked will see it and bevexed.
He will gnash his teeth andmelt away.
The desire of the wicked willperish.
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I really like this one becausehe continues to use this word
forever, like three times inthere.
He kind of adds it in Like thisis something that is going to
happen on an eternal spectrum.
And when you think about peoplethat die in righteousness, who
love God, literally they willcontinue on forever.
Like it will be, man, this whatyou have stepped into.
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If you continue, you literallyinherit it forever.
This will be the outcome foryour life.
And like that's a promise forpeople, like if you continue in
righteousness, the way that Godhas called you to, are there
still evil tidings?
Yes, but you don't have to fearthem.
Are there times of upheaval?
Yes, but you'll be steadfast ifyou continue to trust in the
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Lord.
His heart is upheld while theyeven while and he doesn't fear
His heart is upheld, he will notfear.
This idea is hey, if youcontinue to walk these ways,
there are promises for you onthe other side of that that you
can have.
In the same way, everyone who iswalking in unrighteousness is
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promised death and destruction,and I think all of those things
start before you die.
You know that road to hellstarts before you are in hell.
That road to heaven startsbefore you're in heaven.
This is why Jesus says praythings like on earth as it is in
heaven.
Why?
Because that's supposed tostart happening now in your life
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, not later.
Heaven is the thing that gets,at some level, brought into
existence through catalysts ofthe kingdom.
People who know Jesus and wantto embody what he has called
them to do by the Spirit producethose things in their life,
even in the midst of a chaoticworld.
And this is why we're sealedfor the day of redemption.
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Literally, you will be covereduntil God ushers you home into
his kingdom in general, and Ithink it's important that we
realize that, so like thegenerational cursing and
generational blessing thing atsome level is a question of hey,
are you walking towards hell orare you walking towards heaven?
What are your steps tellingabout you?
What are the words you'resaying telling about you?
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Do you sound like hell or doyou sound like heaven?
Right now, what's your thoughtlife like?
What's the music you listen,what are the environments that
you're finding yourself in?
And if you're doing the thingsthat you're supposed to be doing
and crap hits the fan, then youshould be asking the question
first.
Okay, did I make a right move?
And this is why this ishappening.
Am I in the middle of a battle?
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Uh, and I love verse four, wherehe says light arises in the
darkness for the upright.
Light arises in the darknessfor the upright, like if you
you're going to find yourself indark places.
It doesn't say you won't findyourself in dark places.
It's saying that light willarise for you in those places If
you continue to walk in anupright way, which is incredibly
difficult, by the way.
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Um, but I think the the blessingand curse narrative is real.
There are wicked people who arewalking a wicked direction, and
when you grow up in wickednessand you're living in wickedness,
it's very, it's a verydifficult thing to just change
directions and suddenly not dothat anymore, right?
In fact, most people who arewicked, um, only do things that
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are actually, let's say, quoteunquote righteous if it helps
benefit what they're trying todo in the first place, which is
to say, continue to help mywicked lifestyle.
This is why every godlessphilanthropist makes sure
everybody knows when they'redoing something nice to somebody
.
Get the cameras, get the newscrew.
You know what I mean.
If it doesn't actually benefitme, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It's those TikTok videos of here's a thousand
dollars cash to you homelessperson.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, that's why it bugs me when, like I know
everybody loves it.
But it's like when athletes goout and they go to a store and
buy a bunch of toys for theorphans, it's like, do it, don't
tell anybody, I know, becausenow it's just about you again.
You're like this is reallygoing to up my PR.
Like you can't be selfish andtry to not be selfish at the
same time.
Those two things contradicteach other.
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So righteousness, ultimately,is a consequence of walking with
God, in the purposes of God,because you love God, and
wickedness is ultimately walkingin the way that I want to go
because I love myself.
And those two paths, man,they're not the same road and we
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all know it.
Stories of, like David withBathsheba, you're like ooh man,
that was a got pretty dark therefor a second pal Like it's okay
for him to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
You know, yeah, it must be okay.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And what's funny is like God blesses David, you know
, in situations like whereSaul's in the cave and he could
have taken his head off and letshim live and what.
What happens?
Well, god blesses him and hegets to.
You know, he gets to be theking at some level because he
didn't take the path of darkness, he stayed in the blessing and
walked in righteousness and Godblessed him for what he was
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doing.
But was he in a great spotwhere he would have been like
this is great man.
I totally feel blessed.
Right now God's just filling myhouse with freaking wealth,
like it says in this.
No, he's living in a cave witha bunch of randos at the time.
And that's kind of the bloodlineidea Now, the idea of
bloodlines in general, for likegenerational curse and blessing.
I mean that does start at theproto-evangelium, which is
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obviously the serpent will havehis head crushed and it will
bruise his heel.
I mean it starts there.
There's going to be a dark side, there's going to be a light
side and all of us who are bornthat's every one of us are born
into sin, with a proclivity togo the wrong direction and, by
the grace of God, many peopleare built with that proclivity,
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but born into Christianhouseholds that become more like
Israel, that are at least ableto guide you in the right
direction and help you not stepin places that you shouldn't,
and curb some of those habitsthat you have, so that you would
learn, through righteousness,the right way to go, even though
it's not easier for you.
And this is why you have a lotof kids who resent their parents
.
Well, you don't ultimatelyresent them because they're bad
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parents.
You resent them because theywouldn't let you do all the
wicked things that you wanted todo when you were a kid.
That's very true, and it's likeif your kids are pissed at you
for doing the right things, dad,don't cave, you're not doing
anything wrong.
You're trying to help them livethis out and their heart is
fundamentally set against doingthe thing that is better for
them.
Of course you're going to havesome conflict, but once God
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redeems that person's heart,once he regenerates an
individual, suddenlyrighteousness becomes joy to you
and you see, oh man, I couldhave blown this up in my life,
dude, I could have done this somuch worse.
If I would have done this, thiswould have happened.
And then you start to see, okay,maybe my parents weren't so bad
, you know, and maybe they wereactually trying to help me out,
but there's a season where whatRomans eight says is clear like
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the flesh and the spirit areliterally set against each other
.
And it says this so you cannotdo that which you wish.
And it tells you right there oh, my heart is wicked and God is
trying to keep me from doingthings that are going to put me
on the path to hell and manifesthell in my life right now, and
I hate that.
Welcome to the lineage of Adam,welcome to the curse that all
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of us are born into.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I heard once, and it always stuck with me now that
I'm a parent too of that.
You know you hear people saywell, we grew up with the same
parents.
How are you different?
And you know you hear peoplesay like we grew up with the
same parents, how are youdifferent?
And you know, and this guy waslike you didn't grow up with the
same parents yeah you know,like I, me and my wife were in a
different place when our firstwas born yeah we're in a
different place now that youknow we have more money
Speaker 2 (37:32):
less money or more stress, less stress that's a
great point, man, you know youinteract with each other
differently when.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, so I know that always just kind of stuck with
me.
That's totally true.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Well and how, how look.
Kids are a sanctifying agent intheir parents' life, Right.
So the first kid parents getsanctified a lot.
Second kids parents are stillgetting sanctified because now
they have two.
You have three kids.
You're getting sanctifiedthrough that process by the
fourth kid it's like, well, theyjust got it so easy.
No, they were just better at itby then.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
They're working on it too.
I posted something one time Ipissed everybody off.
It was your children are notgiving you a hard time.
Today, they're just revealingyour sin.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It's like it's.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I mean, let's be real , Some days it's like, oh yeah,
I'm finding out a lot aboutmyself right now.
I out a lot about myself rightnow and, yeah, it's hard.
It's a hard thing, but there'sdefinitely sanctification in
that process.
This is why, Tim, there'sanother narrative in scripture,
too, of like this, the wholeNephilim conversation about the
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sons of God having children withthe daughters of men and having
these disgusting half-breedoffspring, kind of thing.
That's how we got the pyramids.
You know, let's get GrahamHancock on the show right now.
We're going to talk throughthis.
It's going to be great.
There is a.
There's a picture that God ispainting for us, even throughout
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scripture, of of what arecalled unclean spirits.
Right, and these uncleanspirits?
Right, and these uncleanspirits.
It's talking about somethingthat's perverted.
It's a bloodline, it'ssomething that was meant to be
something else, that's shiftedand changed, and now it's
something else entirely.
This is why Jesus tells thePharisees your father is the
devil.
Well, what did he just do?
He said all of you, ultimately,are actually serving a
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different King.
You guys are unclean.
The whole temple is unclean,the system is unclean because
you guys are no longer doingthese things to worship God.
You guys are doing these thingsto build your own kingdom,
which is what Satan is trying todo, Um, and that that is still
very much active in our worldtoday.
So if somebody is born blind,your first question shouldn't be
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are you of the devil?
You know.
The first question should belike okay, is this a consequence
of sin?
How do I support this person?
And support should look likefinding out why stuff is
happening in their life to beable to help them.
And you don't always have agood answer.
And we know all about Jobbecause we are told in the
infallible word of God.
But let's be straight.
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If that story wasn't in theword of God, that shows up in a
tabloid, everybody's like nahdude, God smoked that guy, you
know.
You know he was doing somethingshady.
He had all this wealth andeverything was good.
You know he accumulated thatwealth the wrong way.
You know what I mean.
Like our hearts, man tell usstories.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's hard for me, because even from the pulpit
I've heard it.
It's like oh then, that personmust never been saved.
Like you are not saved unlessyou know.
And like I don't like thosewordage, I really don't Because
to me it's like I'm having ahard time and you're telling me
I'm not saved and that's thewhole reason why I'm having a
hard time.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I think, and in some cases like so, if you're
exercising church discipline,Tim, one of the ways where it
says that we're supposed totreat someone like an unbeliever
.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
If they're under church discipline, there's no
repentance.
They're not doing anything,like I would say if somebody
says they're a believer and Godforbid they rape and kill
someone.
I am now going to questiontheir salvation.
I'm just going to going toquestion their salvation.
I'm just going to.
Something is okay.
You've done something soegregious that I don't know at
this point where you actuallystand.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Well, that's all time .
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Dang, that went by fast, All right.
Well, guys, live in theblessing, okay, don't be dumb.
Make good decisions, ask Godfor help where you need help,
get mentors in your life to helpwalk with you where you're
struggling or where you needunique help, and in every
situation, ask yourself with theperson or in your own life, is
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this a consequence of somethingthat I am doing?
And this isn't Satan messingwith me, this is just me being
stupid and continuing to takesteps into the dark?
Or, if this is legitimatespiritual warfare, that is not
because you're doing somethingwrong, but there's just a
consequence of the fact thatyou're living righteously and
light attracts bugs, you know,so be praying through that.
I hope this was a clarifyingconversation to you and if you
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have questions, send them in.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, All right guys.
Catch you all next time.
guys, welcome back to navigate.
It's been a minute, it's been abit hi, justin what's up, my
brother?
How you been.
It's been a while, uh, goodbeen busy.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
There's some stuff in the works.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
People been cranking yeah, yeah, we're gonna do an
episode pretty soon probably.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Probably the next one we drop.
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, until then, stay tuned, we're going to
continue.
Topics by Tim.
Yes, which is what I shouldhave named this podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Topics by T.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yep After four years, after four.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's just.
Tim's cynical topics session noTim's cynical topics session no
, tim's therapy.
It's been a counseling sessionfor all of us that everyone's
invited to.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And I haven't learned a thing.
I'm just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Neither have I.
I'm just here.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Hit a button.
That's right, that's right.
I'm just kidding.
I've enjoyed this actually, butyeah, we got some information
coming.
Justin's got some big thingsahead his way, so stay tuned,
yep.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It's going to be fun.
Yeah, we'll talk more.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
In the meantime, I have a topic for you.
Okay, hit me.
And this is something I've kindof never understood and I don't
know if I believe so clarifysome things for me.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, it's the idea of uh, basically like bloodlines
um generational sins Okay,Generational sins, generational
curses, blessings Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I've heard these terms because didn't Jesus get
asked the same thing by thePharisees Um the sins of your
fathers?
Know?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
well, they asked him a question.
The disciples asked him aquestion about the, the
paralytic man who sinned uh.
You know that, or, or I think,actually I think it was a blind
man who sinned uh in in john 9,this man or his parents right
right that he's uh, you knowthat, that he's got this
particular predicament, and hesays neither but so that the
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glory of God might be manifest.
Sure, you know what I mean.
So that he would be put ondisplay, which is a frustrating
answer for people who are on awitch hunt.
You know what I mean?
Well, that kind of tells methere's no such thing as a
generational curse.
Yeah, there's like a there'struths here, and then there's a
way that you can take truths toofar.
All right, there's a wholeconversation in our world today
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around races.
I don't know if you know this,tim, but some people are like
there's a whole podcast rightnow called Stone Temple Choir
and their whole bit is basicallythat white people are more
superior because we're not acursed race.
Wow, I mean it's like a wholeJames White just had a debate
with some people on it.
I mean it's pretty, it's weird,like there is a group of people
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that are legitimately like whitesupremac to break that curse
and comes to bring hope andbring joy and bring restoration
and renewal and all the thingsthat come along with that.
In this particular story inJohn 9, I think what Jesus is
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ultimately trying to do is topoint out the fact that you're
seeing versus how God wants touse brokenness and blessing and
curse and what's happened inthis world because of sin and
whatever else to his own gloryand his own good.
So you have that story wherehe's like neither but because of
this.
But then in other circumstances, like I think it's in what is
it?
John 5?
There's a story with theparalytic Tim where he talks to
the guy and I think it's 38years that he's been laying on
(04:09):
that mat the paralytic.
And he heals the guy and then hetells him go, sin no more, so
that something worse might nothappen to you.
Yeah, okay, which is like thiswell, crap, okay.
So is it my sin that isproducing these things, or is it
not sin that's producing thesethings?
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What gives?
And only God knows what are theconsequences of actual, let's
say, a kind of curse that is ona bloodline or a family, versus
what is the consequence of justsin in general, because we live
in a fallen world and you havetwo of those things going on.
And what had happened is theynarrowed it.
The disciples had narrowed itdown to well, if something is
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wrong with someone, it must bebecause they're a sinner.
All right, this is Job'sfriends.
All right, job's friends aretalking to him and the entire
conversation is Job.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What did you do?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
You must have pissed off God.
You've done something.
What did you do?
Yeah, this must be your fault.
And he's like I swear, this isnot on me, I didn't do anything.
And they're like well, we knowthat God is good Job and we know
that God blesses people Job,and you are clearly afflicted
Job.
And so this now it's a witchhunt.
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Now we're going to find whythis is the case.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
To me just a side note.
That's a whole conversationwith his friends.
It's just to me a modern dayBible study.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, when somebody comes up,you have the Bible study circle.
You know where.
Somebody comes up and says okay, I have this question, you know
.
And then everybody takes theirturn in the circle giving.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, or it's the simple answer of well, Jesus is
the answer Pray more.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Like those are Part of the reason I started this
podcast.
Yeah, I got tired of that.
Those same answers, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Like somebody.
Please break this down.
Yeah, the thing is, thoseanswers aren't necessarily wrong
.
They're not wrong but they'renot helpful.
Oftentimes they need handles andagain, in certain circumstances
, it's not even that somebodyhas done something or that their
parents did something.
It's that we live in a fallenworld, replete with this idea of
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righteousness producingblessing for you and your
offspring and your home, andthat wickedness produces really
bad things Like they.
Literally stuff follows you,and we should be thoughtful and
not say in the moment, well,it's one or it's the other.
We should be weighing theentire Bible and what it says
about this, and so, in any givencircumstance, if a righteous
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person is experiencingaffliction, our question
shouldn't be well, is he reallyrighteous?
First, you know what I mean.
The question should be okay howdo we support this person?
How do we help them?
How do we encourage them?
And how do we help them?
How do we encourage them andhow that pans out.
How do you help, encourage,support somebody is finding out
what the root of the actualissue is and helping them walk
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through it, and in somecircumstances, the root is
unclear.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So can you like to live righteously?
Could the sins of mygrandfather or my father prevent
me from pursuing that?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I think, in one sense , yes, in another sense, no.
All right, because there iselection, right.
So whoever God chooses andregenerates is ultimately going
to be saved, even if the wholeworld threw everything that it
had at him.
Why?
Because Christ is more powerfulthan whatever you have going on
in your life at any givenmoment.
(07:44):
In another sense, yeah, doessomebody who's born in freaking
Africa you know that's in anarea that's worshiping pagan
gods and sacrificing chickensand lambs and doing witchcraft?
Is that person less likely tobe saved?
Yes, yeah, like that's just anenvironment that it's going to
be incredibly difficult for.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
For bring it down even lower.
I'm thinking of, like, peoplewho are alcoholics maybe.
Yeah, they saw that with theirparents, they saw that with
their grandparents, whatever itmight be well, you know yeah, I
mean, does that it?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
it's.
It's clear from a geneticstandpoint that people with
alcoholism in generations tocome will continue to struggle
with alcoholism, and you got tobe careful about that.
We talk about people with anaddictive personality.
You know what I mean.
It's just I'm wired a littlebit more to rely on stuff that I
shouldn't, or to be looking foran adrenaline rush in the wrong
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places.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's the same with anger.
Guilty of that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's the same with anger, it's the same with
depression, it's the same with alot of things.
Now, most people struggle withall of that, but if you give in
long enough, you can createstrongholds, and strongholds
become habits in your householdand then household habits become
generational things that peoplecarry with them.
(09:01):
So there's like the Thomistapproach to this or Thomas
Aquinas, like there's thenaturalistic explanation which
is if you live in a particularway, particular things are going
to follow not just you but yourfamily.
Why?
Because your parents are theones who help instill identity
in you and who you're watchingand walking with and following
(09:22):
with.
It's pretty hard to break offfrom that and to do something
totally different.
It happens to the grace of Godand there's tools and there's
opportunities, and there's tonsof stories of people wanting to
break cycles and getting tobreak cycles.
But without a lot ofintentionality and, in a lot of
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situations, an act of God, man,it can be really hard to break
free from those things.
And so, jesus, the beginning ofthe Bible starts with blessings
and curses.
Okay, jesus creates theuniverse and all of these things
and flat earthers, don't getmad at me for saying universe,
(10:02):
get over it.
He creates all this stuff andhe says it's good.
There's a blessing in that.
This is good, this is a goodthing.
When Adam and Eve are created,you know what I mean?
This is a very good thing thatyou know there's two of them.
And then Genesis 3 hits and whathappens?
Curses, curses, cursed is theground because of you, thorns
(10:24):
and thistles that will produceall the days of your life.
You know, you'll eat of thesweaty of your brow.
From the dust you are to thedust you shall return.
And he doesn't curse Adam there, right, he curses the ground.
Curses the ground because ofyou, yeah.
And then Eve, right, hey,childbirth is going to suck.
Yeah, uh, childbirth is goingto suck and you're going to have
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a natural tendency to rule overyour husband.
Why, well, what happened in thatinstance is that she wasn't
submitting to her husband, butactually was listening to the
devil.
And uh then takes what thedevil gave her and gives it to
her husband.
Yeah, all right.
So well, what do we have there?
A picture of of a, uh, a personnot doing what they were
supposed to be doing and insteadtaking somebody else's covering
(11:08):
an idea and then bringing itinto their marriage.
All right, and then?
So what is the curse?
Well, that's actually going tobe something that you're going
to struggle with now.
There's going to be a tendencyfor you, eve, to want to get
information from another placeand still rule and reign and try
to tell your husband what heshould be doing.
In some of these circumstancesand that might piss everybody
(11:28):
off I've made a thousandbalancing statements on this
podcast.
Go back and listen to theothers.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
But there's a, there's a, there's a picture
there of something else that'sgoing on, and what we know in
the gospel narrative is thatJesus is the one who is who is
overcoming the curse.
He's the one with the thornsand thistles buried into his
head when he's crucified on thecross as a symbol that he's
actually reversing every curse.
It's the reconciliation of allthings, and those who want to
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live under the curse can liveunder the curse.
But those who want to liveunder the blessing now have a
way to live under the blessingwhere before it was incredibly
it was hard to do that from a,from an identity standpoint.
You could only do it from a thegrace of God and him providing
an environment where youwouldn't blow it up.
(12:17):
Right, all right.
So the, the law, is a greattool to keep people, let's say,
in the car while they're drivingthrough the nasty neighborhood,
but it's not going to change,say, in the car while they're
driving through the nastyneighborhood, but it's not going
to change the people in the car.
Jesus came to change theidentity of the people in the
car while you're in the nastyneighborhood.
So now I'm not just not runninginto and engaging with these
people, but I'm actually not oneof them entirely.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know, I see that not just with our parents too,
because I think when you'regrowing up you see your parents
do stuff and you oh I must beokay to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, talking about the generational stuff, yeah,
like how many kids were exposedto pornography at like seven and
eight years old, sure.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah.
And then I'm thinking like,even when I was a new Christian
right, and we would talk todifferent youth pastors and
stuff, adult, I remember doingthose and hearing them like
swear.
You know, I'm a new guy, right,so I'm like, oh, so it is okay
to swear, cool yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
You know what I mean.
It's like he's doing.
He's been a Christian for howlong?
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Longer than me, so he must have figured something out
that I don't understand yet,and so I think, as
responsibility for ourselves too, for us Christians, how we go
about with people watching us aswell about with people watching
us as well.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, just break down what you said for a second
there too, because what you saidwas somebody that I trust and
respect and is supposed to knowabout this stuff basically
shared, through how he wasbehaving, what is acceptable
identity for somebody who'ssupposed to be doing these
things?
Right, yeah, right, that's anidentity move.
So you didn't just look at himand say I guess these are the
rules or not the rules.
You looked at that person assomebody that you believe you're
supposed to follow and said,okay, this must be part of the
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path.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
It's a deeper thing.
It's the same with your parentsand your friends and all these
things.
People can influence you.
Ultimately, the word of God isthe one place that we should be
going to find clarity and hopeon these things.
It is also the one place thatmost people seem to avoid.
Tell me why, tim.
Why do?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
people not read the Bible.
I think it's the same withpeople and theology.
They'd rather read a book by aguy who did all the work and
then just copy him.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh, it's like AI before AI existed.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I'd rather just talk to a pastor who's read the Bible
about the problem, instead ofme going out and figuring out
the problem myself?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
well, it's good to find mentors and helpful people
along the way, but the thing is,we should also be bouncing it
off of the word itself, rightand?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
if your mentor what I'm saying, why do the work when
I know somebody who's alreadydone it can just just lazy.
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's google iswhat I would call it people who
read john calvin and become acalvinist, but it's into.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
it's built into our nature to look to elders, right
and smarter people than us, andwant to learn, so it's not a bad
thing to like dude.
We literally do a podcast wherewe try to break things down for
people, help them understand itGod help us.
Um, but everything that we'retalking about should be bounced
off of the Bible.
Yeah, and everybody.
If we have questions and stuffabout this, we really should be
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going to God and checking.
Yeah, and the very fact thatyou're like, oh, this guy swears
it must be okay, there shouldbe a check first that says, huh,
I wonder what the Bibleactually has to say about that.
What is what was the context inwhich it was used?
About that, what is what wasthe context in which it was used
?
There should be like a a stopgap between espousing habits you
know what I mean Before we justjump in wholeheartedly and give
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ourselves to those things.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, that's what I thought a mentor actually was.
Not that sense, but like if I'mreading the Bible I don't
understand the passage.
I could text like it was youfor a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
You and I used to text back and forth all the time
yeah, all the time, you and Iused to text back and forth all
the time Like what the heck ishe talking about?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
What does this mean To me?
That's a mentor.
Is me reading going to them belike I don't understand this?
This is what I think it means.
How do you interpret this, dude?
I did that.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I did that this morning.
I was reading 1 Kings 8, andhe's talking about giving
forgiveness Lord, grantingforgiveness to these people so
that they would fear your nameand I was trying to understand
what the connection betweenforgiveness and fearfulness is
(16:11):
like.
Giving forgiveness to somebody,why would I fear God more if he
forgives me?
And I just think we have afundamental misunderstanding
about what forgiveness actuallyis and how that should create
something in us.
But I'm like, ah, I gotta, Igotta delve on that more.
I'm not, I haven't nailed thatdown yet.
Maybe it's a silly little thingand nobody else nobody else
(16:33):
cares about that.
But those, those things pop upin the Bible all the time and if
you're reading it, you're goingto hit stuff.
You're like I don't know whatthat means.
Man, I gotta, I gotta workthrough that.
I have found that the Bibletends to answer its own
questions the more you read it.
Yeah, Uh, if I'm readingthrough the Bible, I'll hit a
question in Job, and then I'llbe reading in you know, uh, you
(16:53):
know Galatians, or somethinglater on, and I'm like, oh, this
actually answers that questionthat I had.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Those are great moments to have Like.
I'll read something like thattoo, like wait, I've heard this
before.
Yeah, where have I heard thisbefore?
And I go back, you know, try tofind it again.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And then you start writing down all the little
hyperlinks in your own.
Bible with notes and stuff.
I love that.
I do it all the time.
I feel like every Bible for meis like a journal of me trying
like 30 Bibles and my kids canjust look through those and be
like, oh, he was wrong on thatone.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But you know, at least he was trying Right.
You've gone back and like nope,I was wrong, there had a whole
section.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I remember I wrote a note in the margin and then I
went back later and I had tolike cross it out and I was like
, wrong, yeah, I mean there'sprobably I can't think of
anything at this moment, but I'msure there's stuff.
I've even said on this podcastbefore that I'm like, oh man, I
don't know if I totally line upwith that anymore.
I mean, it's a growth processof walking in righteousness as
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clearly as you can and trustingGod to guide you in the blessing
that he's given to you.
And mentors and mentors, listento me are not just people.
A couple words on this.
Mentors are not people that makeyou feel comfortable.
Mentors oftentimes make youfeel a little bit uncomfortable
because they're in a differentplace than you are.
They're not as easy to connectwith.
You know what I mean, andthat's almost frustrating.
(18:15):
Like we want to hang out withpeople that we connect with and
help us feel comfortable andlike they understand us because
they're in a similar spot.
But the reality is, is peoplethat are not in a similar spot
to you might actually be in thespot that you're trying to get
to, and, uh, it's uncomfortableprecisely because they're
actually the people that youshould be spending time with and
growing and learning from.
(18:35):
Um.
The other word about mentors ismentors are usually not
comprehensive.
They're they're specific.
So everybody wants like.
People say this thing, likewho's your Paul and who's your
Timothy, and I'm like it justdoesn't count.
It's like saying who's yourJesus, you know, and who's your
Peter?
Well, it's like, well, nobody'sJesus, nobody's going to be
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able to provide everything thatyou need in every area.
There's a couple people who aregoing to be proficient in a
couple of areas and we shouldlook to those people in those
circumstances.
But that means that person isnot like a relational father to
you, as much as they were anincredible help in this
situation.
Less that I'm going to followevery aspect of that person's
life, because that's less of athing.
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Pastors are supposed to becloser to that.
But even even pastors wouldadmit most that I know are
generalists.
They have to be able to kind oftalk and give wisdom in every
area of life because they'reministering to people in every
area of life.
But even then that that makesthem a generalist, not a
specialist, you know.
So, in in specific areas whereyou need specific help, you need
(19:39):
specific mentors, um, and thatthat can unlock some stuff for
you in difficult areas.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
But uh, for me it's more.
I don't want to bother thembecause they're busy.
They tell me all the time howbusy they are.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Or second I'm afraid if I text somebody a verse I
don't understand, that in theirhead they're like this is basic
Christianity, you moron.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Good news is people don't talk to you the way that
you talk to yourself in your ownhead Are you even saved.
We generally have a far loweropinion of ourselves than other
people do, and it's just thereality of things.
Man and I think it was I justposted something on this but
Dwight DL Moody, he literallysaid basically something along
(20:26):
the lines of nobody has causedme more harm in my life than
myself.
You know, nobody's been aperson it's like, yeah, that is
that's accurate.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
That's been the fun about this podcast and I've had
people tell me this all the time.
One because of the questions Iask, which is very humbling,
Thank you.
But one person told me he he'slike you ask the questions.
I think of that.
I would never want to askjustin, that's what people tell
me.
That sucks so bad.
I promise I'm not a monster.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I don't even.
I don't even see myself as like, um, I don't know.
None of us see ourselves theway other people see us.
Yeah, right, I don.
I don't see myself as some,like you know, erudite, put
together, individual.
I just love Jesus and I lovethe word and I'm trying to help
other people work stuff out andit's yeah, I mean, there aren't
(21:17):
stupid questions, although Iwould say sometimes people ask
questions with assumptions thatare underneath them that make
the question a bad question andyeah, like.
So just just be thoughtful.
Like you said a second ago, tim, like sometimes you feel like
you're going to waste somebody'stime by asking a question or
something and I would say, well,then, formulate the question
(21:39):
before you ask it.
You know, write the thing down.
If you have somebody that youwant to learn from, write the
things down that you want tolearn from them before you meet
them, so that you don't do thatthing that people do when they
get up at, like, an open forumand they're like I, uh the thing
, and they try to, like you know, work through it.
It's just not that.
Write it down, just justuntangle your thoughts before
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you get there.
That's at least a way to honorthe person that you're trying to
talk to and, man, somethingthat I've been very blessed by
and I notice and I've seen otherpeople do when I'm asking
questions is like have yourphone out to take notes or have
a pen and pad if you're oldschool to take notes.
If you're talking to somebodyand you actually want their
(22:21):
information, it's not the momentthat you're trying to capture,
it's actually what happens afterthe moment that matters, and
nothing means more to me than ifI'm talking to somebody about
something and trying to helpthem through something, that
they're actually taking notesbecause that tells me they
actually want to apply this,they actually want to help.
That makes me want to help youmore, because I'm not interested
in making somebody feel good inthe moment as much as I'm
(22:43):
trying to actually help thatperson through the uncomfortable
thing that they need to face.
And I am not a I'm not aspiritual aspirin.
You know what I mean.
And I think a lot, of, a lot ofpeople want to use pastors as
spiritual aspirin and that'sokay.
Aspirin's good, but it's notgoing to.
It's not going to solve thelong-term problems.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
We have an episode called spiritual aspirin, so you
guys go check that one out.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, go go, give that a go.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Getting back to a little bit more of the
generational stuff.
Yeah, Um, I kind of cut you offwhen you were talking about a
righteous person who goesthrough something.
We shouldn't be all judgingthem all of a sudden, right,
it's like were they ever reallyrighteous?
And you know what you said.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
The Jewish system was so steeped in the idea of good
people and bad people andblessed people and cursed people
that they kind of left out thecategory for fallen world a
little bit and spiritual warfare, Like those things, weren't
nearly as integrated.
In fact, if you read the OldTestament you don't hear a lot
(23:42):
about demons.
You don't hear now they'rethere Like implicitly.
You can read in differentcircumstances.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You'll hear like an unclean spirit did this or that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But it's like it's almost foreign, tim, when you
get to the New Testament thatJesus is just casting out demons
left and right, like if youread the Old Testament and then
you just start reading the NewTestament, you hadn't read it
before.
It's like where'd all thedemons come from?
Man?
This got weird, like it wasweird in Genesis 6.
Haven't really heard aboutthese things much like barely.
(24:13):
And now I'm over here and it'slike dude, everybody's got a
demon.
Like everybody's got somethinggoing on.
It's all epic and I think in alot of ways that's because
behind the scenes all thesethings were going on, but it
wasn't part of the categoriesthat people were generally
thinking with.
It was cursed people, blessedpeople and again, that's a fair
category, it's real, it's partof the Bible.
(24:35):
It's just not the full picture.
And so when Jesus comes, hedoesn't just break the curse, he
also disarms the rulers andauthorities and principalities,
he gives the keys to the kingdom, he unlocks basically the world
for the gospel to go forward,which is why he says all
authority on heaven and earthhas been given to me.
So, if you can imagine, thewhole world is kind of locked
(24:57):
down.
There's demonic presences andentities that are ruling over
all these different areas, andGod's people are kind of at war
with these wicked places, butthey're not in a very real way.
Until Christ comes and declaresthe world his again, they're
not able to do what they werebefore.
So you had this seriousdistinction light, darkness,
(25:18):
good evil and all of that goodevil and all of that.
But the internal strugglethat's going on with individuals
and the legitimate, let's say,spiritual aspect gets so just
amplified on a way higher levelin the New Testament to help us
understand a little bit more ofwhat's going on.
So when Jesus talks to theseguys and he's like, look, it
(25:39):
wasn't them, it wasn't him orhis parents, this one happened
so that God could be glorified.
Well, what does that mean?
Well, as a consequence of sin,this person's brokenness exists
and God has allowed these brokenthings to happen so that
ultimately he would receiveglory as he redeems and brings
all things back to himself.
So that's kind of the answer ina nutshell.
(26:02):
But yeah, you shouldn't walkinto a situation and be like,
well, if you have cancer, it'sbecause you deserve it.
If you have a wayward kid man,you screwed that up.
Yeah, everybody screws up.
There's no perfect parent right, but… there is a real sense in
which the way that we live ourlives and get passed down to the
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people around us.
If your finances are in theshambles, your kids' finances
are probably also going to berough.
If you were an abusive parent,there's a good chance that your
kids are going to be abusers orabused, because that's the
environment that we've createdand taught them implicitly is
normal.
But I also think there's aspiritual aspect to this
blessing too, because if you'vegrown up in a Christian home and
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you've had people praying foryou your whole life, I think
there's a greater tug.
I think there's more legitimateangelic protection for, uh,
christians Um, I mean, tim, Icould tell you tons of stories
about people walking into ahouse even before they were
saved.
When they were saved, in like aChristian environment and
knowing in that instance I'm notsupposed to be here, I got to
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go.
They're not even like at aplace where they even fully
understand what's going on butknow something is seriously off
and they need to go.
That's a blessing man.
Go, that's a blessing man.
That is angelic protection and,like God's servants, pushing
you out of an environment thatyou're not supposed to be in and
warning your heart.
That goes beyond the conscience.
The conscience makes you feelguilty.
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You know what I mean.
Or is going to help you feel alittle bit of shame where you
need to, or is going to likeremind you hey, don't do that.
But sometimes it's beyond that.
You're like I didn't doanything.
I walked into a building.
Why am I feeling this way?
My father-in-law tells thisstory all the time of him
hanging out with this girl andbeing over at their house and he
says the whole time he justfeels awful, like something.
(27:52):
Something is jacked up and hegoes into the room behind him,
like, gets up, goes into thekitchen, which is kind of like
behind the living room.
Uh, like, like, gets up, goesinto the kitchen, which is kind
of like behind the living room,and uh, he says, uh, this girl's
mom was doing tarot cards onthe on the table behind him and
she looked up at him and he saidit felt like something was
literally pushing me out of thehouse.
He's like I don't even remembermy uh, you know, like my feet
(28:16):
moving, he said, is the girl waslike why?
Why are you freaking out?
We're just watching a movie,and he said that she was in
front of him, trying to push him, and literally it was like he
was literally just continuing tomove forward.
She was like getting pushed outof the way.
I think stories like that areinteresting.
I can tell you probably 10 ofthose of people who didn't even
understand what was going on andand God moving in a way to like
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pull them out of an environmentthat they weren't supposed to
be in, and I think that's that'sblessing man.
And in the same way, I thinkblessing, even brought into dark
spaces, creates a lot ofdiscomfort for the darkness.
Let me read a.
Let me read a Psalm to you, tim, that I was reading earlier
today as well Psalm 112.
All right, and this is anencouragement.
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And again, this is theplatitudes right, this is the
grand scale overarching right,wrong, good, bad, you know, evil
, righteous.
It's that spectrum, but it'sworth reading.
Here's what it says Praise theLord.
How blessed is the man whofears the Lord, who greatly
delights in his commands.
His descendants will be mightyon the earth.
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The generation of the uprightwill be blessed.
Wealth and riches are in hishouse and his righteousness
endures forever.
Light arises in the darknessfor the upright.
He is gracious andcompassionate and righteous.
It is well with the man who isgracious and lends.
He will maintain his cause injudgment, for he will never be
shaken.
The righteous will beremembered forever.
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He will not fear evil tidings.
His heart is steadfast,trusting the Lord.
His heart is upheld.
He will not fear until he lookswith satisfaction on his
adversaries.
He is given freely to the poor.
His righteousness enduresforever.
His horn will be exalted inhonor.
The wicked will see it and bevexed.
He will gnash his teeth andmelt away.
The desire of the wicked willperish.
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I really like this one becausehe continues to use this word
forever, like three times inthere.
He kind of adds it in Like thisis something that is going to
happen on an eternal spectrum.
And when you think about peoplethat die in righteousness, who
love God, literally they willcontinue on forever.
Like it will be, man, this whatyou have stepped into.
(30:28):
If you continue, you literallyinherit it forever.
This will be the outcome foryour life.
And like that's a promise forpeople, like if you continue in
righteousness, the way that Godhas called you to, are there
still evil tidings?
Yes, but you don't have to fearthem.
Are there times of upheaval?
Yes, but you'll be steadfast ifyou continue to trust in the
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Lord.
His heart is upheld while theyeven while and he doesn't fear
His heart is upheld, he will notfear.
This idea is hey, if youcontinue to walk these ways,
there are promises for you onthe other side of that that you
can have.
In the same way, everyone who iswalking in unrighteousness is
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promised death and destruction,and I think all of those things
start before you die.
You know that road to hellstarts before you are in hell.
That road to heaven startsbefore you're in heaven.
This is why Jesus says praythings like on earth as it is in
heaven.
Why?
Because that's supposed tostart happening now in your life
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, not later.
Heaven is the thing that gets,at some level, brought into
existence through catalysts ofthe kingdom.
People who know Jesus and wantto embody what he has called
them to do by the Spirit producethose things in their life,
even in the midst of a chaoticworld.
And this is why we're sealedfor the day of redemption.
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Literally, you will be covereduntil God ushers you home into
his kingdom in general, and Ithink it's important that we
realize that, so like thegenerational cursing and
generational blessing thing atsome level is a question of hey,
are you walking towards hell orare you walking towards heaven?
What are your steps tellingabout you?
What are the words you'resaying telling about you?
(32:14):
Do you sound like hell or doyou sound like heaven?
Right now, what's your thoughtlife like?
What's the music you listen,what are the environments that
you're finding yourself in?
And if you're doing the thingsthat you're supposed to be doing
and crap hits the fan, then youshould be asking the question
first.
Okay, did I make a right move?
And this is why this ishappening.
Am I in the middle of a battle?
(32:34):
Uh, and I love verse four, wherehe says light arises in the
darkness for the upright.
Light arises in the darknessfor the upright, like if you
you're going to find yourself indark places.
It doesn't say you won't findyourself in dark places.
It's saying that light willarise for you in those places If
you continue to walk in anupright way, which is incredibly
difficult, by the way.
(32:55):
Um, but I think the the blessingand curse narrative is real.
There are wicked people who arewalking a wicked direction, and
when you grow up in wickednessand you're living in wickedness,
it's very, it's a verydifficult thing to just change
directions and suddenly not dothat anymore, right?
In fact, most people who arewicked, um, only do things that
(33:16):
are actually, let's say, quoteunquote righteous if it helps
benefit what they're trying todo in the first place, which is
to say, continue to help mywicked lifestyle.
This is why every godlessphilanthropist makes sure
everybody knows when they'redoing something nice to somebody
.
Get the cameras, get the newscrew.
You know what I mean.
If it doesn't actually benefitme, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
It's those TikTok videos of here's a thousand
dollars cash to you homelessperson.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, that's why it bugs me when, like I know
everybody loves it.
But it's like when athletes goout and they go to a store and
buy a bunch of toys for theorphans, it's like, do it, don't
tell anybody, I know, becausenow it's just about you again.
You're like this is reallygoing to up my PR.
Like you can't be selfish andtry to not be selfish at the
same time.
Those two things contradicteach other.
(34:04):
So righteousness, ultimately,is a consequence of walking with
God, in the purposes of God,because you love God, and
wickedness is ultimately walkingin the way that I want to go
because I love myself.
And those two paths, man,they're not the same road and we
(34:27):
all know it.
Stories of, like David withBathsheba, you're like ooh man,
that was a got pretty dark therefor a second pal Like it's okay
for him to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
You know, yeah, it must be okay.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And what's funny is like God blesses David, you know
, in situations like whereSaul's in the cave and he could
have taken his head off and letshim live and what.
What happens?
Well, god blesses him and hegets to.
You know, he gets to be theking at some level because he
didn't take the path of darkness, he stayed in the blessing and
walked in righteousness and Godblessed him for what he was
(34:56):
doing.
But was he in a great spotwhere he would have been like
this is great man.
I totally feel blessed.
Right now God's just filling myhouse with freaking wealth,
like it says in this.
No, he's living in a cave witha bunch of randos at the time.
And that's kind of the bloodlineidea Now, the idea of
bloodlines in general, for likegenerational curse and blessing.
I mean that does start at theproto-evangelium, which is
(35:19):
obviously the serpent will havehis head crushed and it will
bruise his heel.
I mean it starts there.
There's going to be a dark side, there's going to be a light
side and all of us who are bornthat's every one of us are born
into sin, with a proclivity togo the wrong direction and, by
the grace of God, many peopleare built with that proclivity,
(35:40):
but born into Christianhouseholds that become more like
Israel, that are at least ableto guide you in the right
direction and help you not stepin places that you shouldn't,
and curb some of those habitsthat you have, so that you would
learn, through righteousness,the right way to go, even though
it's not easier for you.
And this is why you have a lotof kids who resent their parents
.
Well, you don't ultimatelyresent them because they're bad
(36:01):
parents.
You resent them because theywouldn't let you do all the
wicked things that you wanted todo when you were a kid.
That's very true, and it's likeif your kids are pissed at you
for doing the right things, dad,don't cave, you're not doing
anything wrong.
You're trying to help them livethis out and their heart is
fundamentally set against doingthe thing that is better for
them.
Of course you're going to havesome conflict, but once God
(36:24):
redeems that person's heart,once he regenerates an
individual, suddenlyrighteousness becomes joy to you
and you see, oh man, I couldhave blown this up in my life,
dude, I could have done this somuch worse.
If I would have done this, thiswould have happened.
And then you start to see, okay,maybe my parents weren't so bad
, you know, and maybe they wereactually trying to help me out,
but there's a season where whatRomans eight says is clear like
(36:47):
the flesh and the spirit areliterally set against each other
.
And it says this so you cannotdo that which you wish.
And it tells you right there oh, my heart is wicked and God is
trying to keep me from doingthings that are going to put me
on the path to hell and manifesthell in my life right now, and
I hate that.
Welcome to the lineage of Adam,welcome to the curse that all
(37:10):
of us are born into.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I heard once, and it always stuck with me now that
I'm a parent too of that.
You know you hear people saywell, we grew up with the same
parents.
How are you different?
And you know you hear peoplesay like we grew up with the
same parents, how are youdifferent?
And you know, and this guy waslike you didn't grow up with the
same parents yeah you know,like I, me and my wife were in a
different place when our firstwas born yeah we're in a
different place now that youknow we have more money
Speaker 2 (37:32):
less money or more stress, less stress that's a
great point, man, you know youinteract with each other
differently when.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, so I know that always just kind of stuck with
me.
That's totally true.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Well and how, how look.
Kids are a sanctifying agent intheir parents' life, Right.
So the first kid parents getsanctified a lot.
Second kids parents are stillgetting sanctified because now
they have two.
You have three kids.
You're getting sanctifiedthrough that process by the
fourth kid it's like, well, theyjust got it so easy.
No, they were just better at itby then.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
They're working on it too.
I posted something one time Ipissed everybody off.
It was your children are notgiving you a hard time.
Today, they're just revealingyour sin.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
It's like it's.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I mean, let's be real , Some days it's like, oh yeah,
I'm finding out a lot aboutmyself right now.
I out a lot about myself rightnow and, yeah, it's hard.
It's a hard thing, but there'sdefinitely sanctification in
that process.
This is why, Tim, there'sanother narrative in scripture,
too, of like this, the wholeNephilim conversation about the
(38:34):
sons of God having children withthe daughters of men and having
these disgusting half-breedoffspring, kind of thing.
That's how we got the pyramids.
You know, let's get GrahamHancock on the show right now.
We're going to talk throughthis.
It's going to be great.
There is a.
There's a picture that God ispainting for us, even throughout
(38:57):
scripture, of of what arecalled unclean spirits.
Right, and these uncleanspirits?
Right, and these uncleanspirits.
It's talking about somethingthat's perverted.
It's a bloodline, it'ssomething that was meant to be
something else, that's shiftedand changed, and now it's
something else entirely.
This is why Jesus tells thePharisees your father is the
devil.
Well, what did he just do?
He said all of you, ultimately,are actually serving a
(39:20):
different King.
You guys are unclean.
The whole temple is unclean,the system is unclean because
you guys are no longer doingthese things to worship God.
You guys are doing these thingsto build your own kingdom,
which is what Satan is trying todo, Um, and that that is still
very much active in our worldtoday.
So if somebody is born blind,your first question shouldn't be
(39:41):
are you of the devil?
You know.
The first question should belike okay, is this a consequence
of sin?
How do I support this person?
And support should look likefinding out why stuff is
happening in their life to beable to help them.
And you don't always have agood answer.
And we know all about Jobbecause we are told in the
infallible word of God.
But let's be straight.
(40:01):
If that story wasn't in theword of God, that shows up in a
tabloid, everybody's like nahdude, God smoked that guy, you
know.
You know he was doing somethingshady.
He had all this wealth andeverything was good.
You know he accumulated thatwealth the wrong way.
You know what I mean.
Like our hearts, man tell usstories.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
That's hard for me, because even from the pulpit
I've heard it.
It's like oh then, that personmust never been saved.
Like you are not saved unlessyou know.
And like I don't like thosewordage, I really don't Because
to me it's like I'm having ahard time and you're telling me
I'm not saved and that's thewhole reason why I'm having a
hard time.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I think, and in some cases like so, if you're
exercising church discipline,Tim, one of the ways where it
says that we're supposed totreat someone like an unbeliever
.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
If they're under church discipline, there's no
repentance.
They're not doing anything,like I would say if somebody
says they're a believer and Godforbid they rape and kill
someone.
I am now going to questiontheir salvation.
I'm just going to going toquestion their salvation.
I'm just going to.
Something is okay.
You've done something soegregious that I don't know at
this point where you actuallystand.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Well, that's all time .
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Dang, that went by fast, All right.
Well, guys, live in theblessing, okay, don't be dumb.
Make good decisions, ask Godfor help where you need help,
get mentors in your life to helpwalk with you where you're
struggling or where you needunique help, and in every
situation, ask yourself with theperson or in your own life, is
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this a consequence of somethingthat I am doing?
And this isn't Satan messingwith me, this is just me being
stupid and continuing to takesteps into the dark?
Or, if this is legitimatespiritual warfare, that is not
because you're doing somethingwrong, but there's just a
consequence of the fact thatyou're living righteously and
light attracts bugs, you know,so be praying through that.
I hope this was a clarifyingconversation to you and if you
(41:51):
have questions, send them in.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, All right guys.
Catch you all next time.
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