Revisit: Jason Landry

In the late hours of December 13, 2020, Jason was driving home to the Houston area to spend the holidays with family.

Jason would never be seen or heard from again. Only hours after Jason was known to be leaving his apartment, a volunteer firefighter found his wrecked and abandoned vehicle off of a dirt road near Luling, Texas. The next morning, the clothing he was last known to be wearing was found 900 feet from his vehicle.

Incredible advocacy efforts have been made in the 4 years since his disappearance, but Jason's family is still seeking answers.

Where is Jason Landry?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
This past December was four years since Jason Landry disappeared
off the side of Salt Flat Road in Luling, Texas.
We shared a story a couple of years ago, and
unfortunately there have been little advancement in his case. After
I had the opportunity to attend the candlelight vigil last month,
we decided we wanted to reshare Jason's story and provide

(00:44):
an update on their advocacy efforts. Here is Jason's story.
We have the wonderful case advocate Jason Watts with us.
Jason and chuse yourself. Let us know who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Jason Watts, missing person's advocate, most known from my work
in the brand and loss in case.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
And you're expanding into other cases now, wanting to help
out in other missing persons cases A couple.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, Samantha Tap is one of them. I don't know
that i'd necessarily call myself an advocate for Jason Landry.
I think he's got a lot of good advocates as
it stands. But I looked into Jason's case because it
was in some way similar to Brandon's, so I just
checked it out because of the similarities.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
So that's really what drugged you into this one. Yeah,
we'll get into the similarities with Brandon's case. There's a
lot of them. Definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Okay, So we took a trip down with Jason Watts.
I might always say your full name because.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
This case is also with Jason Landry.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Wait, smart idea, because it'll get confusing real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Definitely. We left from my location in Austin and drove down.
We actually started in sand Market where his apartment is.
We weren't sure exactly which apartment is his, but we
kind of started from campus assuming he lived fairly close
to campus being a Texas State student, and went on
the path he took. We know that he took this path.

(02:14):
There was a ways trail to get out to this
location where they did find his car later, so we
wanted to see how long it would take us to
get there.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
As we were passing, we were looking for surveillance cameras,
kind of anything that might lead to Jason's whereabouts or
might give a clue or a new lead. Yes, what
were your thoughts Jason as we were driving out there, I.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Really wanted to keep really wanted to see if there
were any surveillance cameras along his route. Before he got
to Looling. According to most of the reports that we've read,
law enforcement did pull the surveillance footage from the areas
in Louling, but I was really curious as to if
that had been done along his route. I would assume

(03:01):
that it was. I would hope that the investigators in
this case did their due diligence, because let's say, if
Jason was being followed or had somebody else in the
car with him, or something happened in San Marcos and
then the car somehow ends up there, those potential surveillance
cameras along the route might have some sort of evidence

(03:24):
or clue on them. So as of right now, law
enforcement has stated that they don't suspect foul play, So
I'm assuming they did pull those surveillance footages to look
for the things that I just mentioned, but is being
pretty tight lipped about what they know in this case,
which is understandable. So unfortunately now we just don't know
whether they did that or not.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, so let's talk about the day Jason went missing.
Jason left his apartment round ten fifty five pm there
in San Marcus and was thriving home to Missouri City
for win or break, very common thing for college students.
Finals are over, pack up, let's go home. He had
packed up his PlayStation it was a video game console

(04:03):
I can't remember for his Xbox or PlayStation in a backpack.
His Beta Fish he was bringing home so it wouldn't
starve over the break, and loaded up to go home
around eleven h five pm. The Caldwell County Sheriff Investigators
said that Landry was driving his Tan Nissan Altima on
Texas eighty. He would pass under Interstate thirty five in

(04:24):
San Market and then continues south on eighty into Caldwell County.
He's in Martindale, which is in even smaller town. So
to give you an idea of where this is in Texas,
San Marcus is a big city just south of Austin.
And then there's very long stretches what I consider long
stretches of nothing or very small towns. Maybe one gas station,

(04:47):
one red light kind of towns. There's not a lot
of toll roads and stuff like that. May be catching
license plates or anything like that. It's a very small town. Film.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, definitely, only like gas station and along that road
there's not much else. You'll occasionally come across. I think
we saw like a bakery.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, but that was right there, like across a gas
and that was like the hard half, little bittytown.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yes, So we're not talking like there's no McDonald's. We
actually were trying to find a bathroom and we had
to drive quite a way to him. There's a little
bit of a shady gas station that we ended up
stopping at, but it's not deserted. Because I want you
to get a picture of this. There's still like houses
every what couple hundred yards yeah what they Yeah, a

(05:31):
few acres in between.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
They all have kind of larger lots of land because
it all used to be farmland, so they just sectioned
it off and turned it into gaza.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
And it's pretty much a straightaway right It's it doesn't
curve or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's a very straight two lane road. So around eleven fifteen,
Landry is still continuing on Texas eighty. He passes I
thirty or one thirty, excuse me. He goes through again
more of those several small towns, including Fenrist, Prairie Lee, Starefown,
and Prairie Lee. We passed through. They have a little

(06:06):
school there and I'm pretty sure. Probably even pre K
through twelfth grade was probably all in one building. That's
how small this place is. It has a blinking light,
I think, and it only turns the red when they
need to cross the We need to use a crosswald. Yeah, yeah,
it's very small. Like it really probably housed all of
those children in that one. It's less than one hundred
people in that whole school. Oh yeah, definitely. It reminds

(06:27):
me a lot of Bellevue. Oh yes, Ways GPS coordinates.
That's how we're like verifying this timeline. Eleven twenty four
rolls around. Of course, he's half an hour into this drive.
This is when he enters Luling on eighty. As he
moves through the intersection at Hackberry Street and that's where
a eighty turns into Austin Street, he quits using this

(06:49):
ways app. And from my understanding, and I'm not the
tech person in the household, so please don't slaughter me
in comments, you.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Are the heck person of this podcast when you use Ways.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
If you were to exit out of it and open
another app, but keep your directions up, it should still
pay your GPS coordinates. That's what I would say.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I don't think it would completely shut down if you
like opened your email or opens up Snapchat, which is
what json L injury had done.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Do you know any other a different no.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
One theory that was speculated on was that he quit
using ways in open Snapchat because he was going to
message somebody. So we know Snapchat is very private about
the records that they keep, but I think that I
don't know if it was the private investigator or the
Caldwell County Sheriff's Office has sub pointed those records from Snapchat,

(07:50):
but from what I understand, it takes a while for
all the red tape to queer and all that stuff
before Snapchat will actually release the records. So I think,
if I recall correctly, they are waiting on that to
see if the weeds anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, And I just I'm assuming when he closed out,
And I'm thinking, like, we're an iPhone type of people.
So when you have your iPhone and you are on
your ways and you go to the next if you're
way around, it should still be in your location. But
if you were to swipe up and essentially close out
the app completely, meaning you do not have directions at
this point for your entire GPS to shut off. That's

(08:24):
where they lost connection on his GPS coordinates.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Okay, and then just to add on to that, Jason
Landry had only went this route but I think two
or three time times. He hadn't been going to the
college for very long. This was like his first semester there,
so he didn't know the route, especially in the dark.
And there's not going to be like a ton of street.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Lights, very minimal street lights. This is by your headlights
only kind of roads.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yes, So the fact that he didn't have ways running
at this point, he doesn't actually know where he's going.
He's done it, but does he really know where to
make that next Yeah, So he's continuing down Austin Street
to Magnolia Avenue and this is technically where his digital
footprint ends.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Now authorities seem to believe that instead of turning right
onto Magnolia Thick and head in the direction of his destination,
that he was continuing to go straight through the intersection
on East Austin Street to Spruce Street, which then turns
into Salt Flat Road. And this is the road we took,
and it does. It's just a straight shot and then

(09:35):
you run out of asphalt and suddenly you're on a
dirt road.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, Luling is not as small as all the other towns.
It's got a couple of restaurants. Churches are right along
that road. It's a little bit bigger, it's still not
huge by any means. Still, I think there was a
stop light. It's a farming community, definitely, definitely, but it
was it's easy to get lost or and it's your

(10:00):
turn if you are not familiar with it.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I also noticed that that they didn't have like large
street signs. Oh they didn't, that's right.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
No, I noticed that myself, and I feel like.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
In a time where you're using GPS, you are looking
for street signs. I don't think he had the knowledge say, oh,
you turn at the blue house, or you turn at
the red house. Left, or turned by the McDonalds. Everyone
goes by landmarks. And he just didn't take this route
enough to know where he was.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Going, especially him the dark, because by this time it
is very dark out.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
So he was believed to crash around eleven thirty four
pm according to authorities. So this takes us almost all
the way into December forty. The next day, around twelve
thirty one, Landry's ultima was found crashed and abandoned. Now,
the way his car is on the road draws concerns

(10:55):
for me, because the sesa dirt road. When we drove
out there, it was it's very windy. Yeah, I believe
I drove thirty maybe thirty five down it the whole way.
I drive a big SUV, so obviously that's probably doing
slower than a car would be, just because we're top
heavy and we were actually looking for things, so we
were driving a little bit slower. But if you're going

(11:16):
about fifty miles an hour, let's stay down the start road.
There's some tight herves on there that I think would
send you into a ditch far before where they found
his car.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, that leads me to believe that he probably wasn't
flying up that road, because I think there was one
corner weekend up there. It was almost ninety degrees. If
you're going to lose control of a car hauling butt,
you're gonna lose it on a ninety degree turn, especially
if it's a road you're not familiar with. We could
pretty well guess that he was not familiar with salt

(11:46):
flat road at all. I don't know, it's just too
hard to say. Without seeing more evidence. But I don't
think he was flying up that road. I don't think so,
that's me. You would think if he was being chased,
he would be flying up that road.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
And as far as drinking and driving, I think he
would have crashed way before that point because it is
still windy.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
We were in the daylight.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
And it was still difficult to see when those curves
would happen. If he driving that at night, it would
be almost impossible to know that there's a curve that's
about to come into view.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So also another thing that will come out later when
they do search his belongings is they did find a
few I think it was what seven or eight ten.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I think ten I counted from the picture. They did
find a few marijuana joints, which he's a college kid.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
It happens down a big deal. If he were driving
under the influence, heavily under the influence, it'd be the
same situation. The crash would have happened earlier on on
the road.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
There was that one report. I'm just bringing it up
now because you're.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Mentioning the drugs.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
It was reported right away that oh, he had a
backpack full of the narcotics. Like he was some kind
of smuggler, and that is completely false. It was like
a tiny pill bottle with a few joins. There was
zero evidence that he was smoking in the car. There
was no remnants maybe like in the aslips, yeah once

(13:20):
or is there with an ashtrays in cars that I
have no idea, but none of that the cards. There
were zero reports that he actually had done that in
the car. Yes, it was in his backpack zipped up.
So in my opinion, that doesn't play a role in
this car crash.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
No doubt. In other cases too, you'll see little small
facts like that just taking and get blown way out
and exaggerated.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Sure, it's just like Brandon's case, like that became the
main focus and you're like, no, there are other things
to focus on besides.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Their extracurricular recreation habits. So on this road, investigators seemed
to think that he crashed into a tree and a
Barbard fence, which I mean that's where the car was sitting,
the driver's side against a Barbard fence. I didn't check
to see which direction I was facing. I wasn't paying
attention to my internal company.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
She was in the westbound. The vehicle was on the
westbound side of the road facing back to the east,
I believe.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, yeah, so it's almost like you did a full
one to eighty.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
That actually maybe I'm a little disoriented.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Between all the turns we took.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yes, been actually the other way around. It may have
been in the east bound lane with car facing back
to the west. Yes, because it was facing where the
sun was going down when we were out there. So yes,
it would have been in the eastbound side facing west.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Regardless, he was facing the wrong direction on.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
It was facing the opposite direction from which he was
facing back towards the way it came correct.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
So whether a deer jumped out he swore lost control,
we may never know.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, and it would be possible. We didn't note that
there were several deer out there.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
There was quite a bit of livestock, and you could
even argue that maybe a cow was in the road
or a coyote. There was a hattle out there. There
was all kinds of livestock and wildlife that were out there,
and this I wouldn't even consider this a desolate road.
We passed several vehicles going out there. There's several oil
filled trucks, because there's so many derricks, pumpjacks, transfer stations,

(15:31):
all of that is out there. It's a heavily worked
area in the oil industry, so there's people traveling that
route regularly. Oh.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
One thing I would be curious to see, and of
course we were out there during the day, is I
would like to see how much traffic out is out
there at night.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Absolutely, I would imagine that it somewhat like cars do
go by there because of how quickly they found his
car that what it was.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
He was a volunteer parker.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yes, I would want to know a little bit more
about that particular volunteer fire fighters like routes. Do they
have normal areas that they patrol, like each firefighters find
a certain area that it patrols every day or whatever.
I would need to see more on man.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
One thing when we went out there, we noticed a
couple of those tankers were out there moving some fluids
around from the tight battery. I was curious they had
crews out there at night and maybe could have got
into an eighteen wheeler. But I actually approached one of
the men and asked that we don't have any crews
that come out here at night, which I.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Find strange because usually those oil rigs and the kind
of operations are twenty four hours. But this being at
the height of COVID, I would argue, this is the
first Christmas we spent through COVID. Everyone was shut down.
It was Glenn Pickens and so it's incredibly likely that
they were closed at night. That's clear regulation.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
And COVID brought everything to a halt, even in the
oil industry there for a few months, everything was really slow.
So yeah, that may be why they didn't have any
cruise out there. The production demands didn't call for it.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
So when the volunteer firefighter was doing his route or
his checkups or whatever you want to call them, he
stumbled upon Jason Landry's car around twelve thirty one am.
It was crashed and abandoned. Lights were on. He's were
on the ignission. The front passenger side door was locked,
but I believe the driver side door was unlocked because
Jason's dad does have access to the car. Later, so

(17:35):
to me, when you weren't getting out of a vehicle
when it comes to a stop, if you turn the
engine off and you open the driver's door, all of
the other doors automatically come unlocked. Yeah, unless you manually
only unlocked the driver door yet.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
But the back and this is not what's it's not
called the back windshield. But like the back of the car,
the backglass, YEP was busted out. Jason could have technically
crawled out of that, considering the driver's side door was
pushed up against the barbed wire and the tree, so
he would have had to wiggle his way up of

(18:13):
the driver's side door if he did get out that way,
or he would have had to crawl out the back glass.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
The driver's door window was also up, so he did
not climb out the driver's door window. We do know
why we're assuming that there's no way got back in
and rolled the window up and then onto the back. Yeah,
that would be silly.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
One theory I have seen in this case is the
possibility of that car being placed there as a red
herring or I'm quite confident that's not the case. We
observed fragments of the car still in the ground. That
is hardly suggested that the car did in fact wreck there.
I've seen theories that it was the wreck happened somewhere
else in the vehicle was towed out there. If that

(18:52):
was the case, you shouldn't have those fragments in the
ground there. So that car, I'm almost one hundred percent
coffin that did in fact wreck there.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yes, and there's damage to the tree where the back
bumper was sitting. You can see the bark has been
removed from the tree. Jason said there was still debris
from the cars, plastic pieces, There was some glass, some
of the tail like pieces, plastic. There's still debris all
over there. And they did also say that there was
no evidence. Authorities noted no evidence that indicated another vehicle

(19:23):
was there or an outside force was involved in the crash.
So someone didn't like te bom him and it shoved
him into the side of the road or eatthing like that.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
If that was the case, you would have fragments in
the road.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes, Yes, and all of the fragments were that we noted.
And it has been a year since we've been to
this location. But I had seen pictures of the crime
scene as well, and everything was pushed further off the
road in the ditch along the fence line.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, and this is I had actually visited the scene
earlier this year at the end of May, and everything
was basically the same as it was last weekend when
we were down there. The fragment, it's still there. They
were there in May.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
So when with firefighters stumbles upon this, he doesn't make
a report of it or even call it in.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Correct or does he call it in contacted the Texas
Department of Public Safety and a race dispatched.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
The trooper Yeah, okay, And then they didn't really do
a police report or.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Anything at this point. They just went ahead and impounded
the vehicle.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I didn't find that a little not I don't find
it weird that they towed the vehicle away from the scene.
You actually leave the car there. But we and we
talked about this on the way. I would have I
don't we don't know what exactly they didn't didn't do,
but I would have at least done some sort of
cursory check because coming up on a vehicle around a
corner like that, my first thought's gonna be, Okay, where's

(20:44):
the driver. Somebody's wandering around her herd.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
And they didn't do a search at all. They just said, oh,
they're here in an abandoned vehicle, which I thought the
strength and the lights were on. That's what is the
biggest trigger for me is they've got to be close
because the battery has not run down the lights.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
But what if they just assume the person was perfectly
okay called for Oh, they live on that road. If
it's a tea manager, let's say, called their parents to
come pick them up, and they just left the car there,
which does happen as well, and they'll figure out the
car situation in the morning.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, I mean they I'm sure police get plenty of
they come, they get reports of vehicles of mannon because
the driver was drunk and walked off. Yes. Oh, I
would still do at least I know read check. I
would drive up and down the road both directions, just
to make sure somebody's not walking along the side of
the road half out of it. They're gonna bass law
enforcement the absolutely not. They're doing what they do. But

(21:35):
in my opinion that probably should have been done. Is
at least a cursory.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, because I believe that this Jason's parents would have
had a completely different turn of events if they would
have searched something that night.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
So middle of the night, Jason Landry's.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Parents get a phone call saying that they law enforcement
has found his vehicle, but he's nowhere around.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
So his dad makes the trip over there, and it's
about at six a m. When his name's Kent Fathers.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
He finds some of Jason's clothing and this is like
just down the road, about like nine hundred feet from
where the vehicle was at.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
So this is alarming. But before he goes up to
the crime scene, he goes to the impound lot first.
Oh does he do them? Yeah? I think at five
point thirty, arrives at the impound lot. He opens the
driver side door and peeks in because he I'm pretty
sure he's listed as the owner of the car, so
they give him full access to the vehicle and he
opens the door, looks in and notices that down in

(22:36):
between the seat, like we call it the deep dark
abyss in my house, but the little space between your
seat and your console where when you drop everything you
have like a basic panic attack trying to get it out.
His phone was down in that Jason Landry's phone was
down in between that little slot, and he picks it up,

(22:57):
brings it with him, doesn't notice anything of alarming alarming
in the car, goes through it a little bit, finds
and that's really it. They don't know if it fell
when he was driving through the intersection when everything shut
off on ways. Maybe he dropped it down there and
that's what shut off ways. We don't know. Kid picks
up the phone and then goes to visit the scene

(23:17):
of the crash, thinking, where's my son? What's going on?
It's strange that he got in a wreck. Maybe he's
scared to tell us he got in a wreck. Maybe
he's just hiding out there. You never really know what teenagers.
When I'm thinking, I would freak out, I mess. But
it's not like clothes that he was. He opened the
car door and was going through his bag looking for

(23:37):
something and just like willly Neilly gnrowing it over his shoulder,
which is like what you envision with there's clothes strewn about.
It's nine hundred feet down the road, literally down the
road from.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
The crash, back the way that he had already come.
So it wasn't like he went still forward.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
He went back that way and it's just closed like
he was taking them off. It was a shirt and
then shorts and then socks and then his slide. I
think they're called Jesus sandals whatever you're gonna call those
slide shoes. Yeah, his wrist watch, and it was just
things dropped as you were walking. Almost likely if you're
walking to the shower and you're just taking things off
thrown on the floor. It's that kind of disbursement.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
And they do know for sure it was the clothing
he was wearing that day.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
They're pretty certain of that.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, there's footage or pictures out there of him wearing
the outfit that they found on the ground that same day,
So they're speculating that he still had it on because
he doesn't find the change.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
But also with the clothing, there was his backpack and
that had clothing in it and his other things that
he had brought with them.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
There was they found his his wallet was there, like
everything of importance like he did not have with him.
He also had decided to take his backpack and his
Beta fish from the car, but not his cell phone. Yeah,
that is weird. But unless he couldn't find his cell
phone because it did drop me, I would stay with
my cell phe more than anything.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, and we don't know for a fact if he
was knocked around and hard in the if he hit
his head and he's half out of it. I mean,
he he's going to make decisions that don't make sense.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, he could have definitely been concussed.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, he could have been concussed. I mean, we don't
know that for a fact, but it's judging from you know,
the impact and the way he probably was thrown around
in there. He could have hit his head on the
you know, on the driver's side wind no or whatever.
It knocked himself a little loopy.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
They did not find blood inside the vehicle, but once
the GPS trooper gathered up the clothing that his dad
stumbled upon, uh, and they processed it, they found a
little blood spear like tiny blood smear on the left
hip of his short and underwear. But it did not
indicate that he was seriously injured. It didn't. It didn't

(25:55):
say too and lawenforcement didn't say, hey, he's been pat
seriously he's going to bleed out, like the serious medical
attention because of the single solitary blood spot on his clothing.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, to me, it's okay, put a band aid on that.
And he could have gotten that if he was getting
off the driver's side door being snagged by that barbed wire,
or even if he would have went out the window
in the bat he could have cut himself on a
piece of glass, so that's understandable. But yeah, definitely nothing
as far as outward injuries that would cause him to

(26:28):
bleed from the car accident right now, later that day,
which I find this very strange that it was later
in the day and not like immediately he was declared
missing because obviously he's missing from the area, and I
know paperwork takes time. I felt like it should have
been done a little bit quicker. I will say they

(26:49):
were very quick on the scene on this one compared
to It's just I could only imagine how that father
felt being the one to find literally all of the
evidence of his son. Oh we miss it like that
just sucks.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
That's mine. I don't even I can't even imagine what
he was going through, what he was feeling. We're the
three of us are parents. We wouldn't want to No,
this is my worst nightmare. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
So a Texas based nonprofit group called Texas Search and
Rescue comes on as the Lean search team, and I
will say they jump on board once they realize this
that they need to get a search going, which honestly
is a little bit too late because they weren't able
to find anything. Eggu Search comes in, horseback comes in,
and they start covering land. They walk through some acreage

(27:41):
pretty quick, they do. I am actually, I don't surprised.
I'm surprised. I'm sure for the number of.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Acres that these people searched for Jason, I think it
was like thirty five hundred acres and it's a lot
of to raid. And I know, like in Brandon's case,
doing the searches has always been difficult to get the
landown dr permission and get the law enforcement involved. So
like this for being that quick, there was one hundred

(28:13):
and fifty volunteers out there searching for Jason, is absolutely astonishing.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, they got on that pretty quick. Tech stars. From
what I understand, they were a really good, reputable searching
can rescue organization.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
And they're really good at what they do. They've been
very successful and they're very thorough from everything that I've
ever read about them.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yes, they did come in on Brandon's case at one
point do a search.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Oh did they?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
They brought out cadaver dogs and everything, and just like
in Jason's cases, can find they didn't find it.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
They did bring out dogs on Jason's case, and they
followed a scent down the road back in the direction
he drove, so back towards the main highway about I
would say one thousand feet, because it's passed where the
clothes were bound, so where there was an intersection into
a private property where we spoke, where Jason's spoke with

(29:07):
the two truck drivers at the transfer station there, and
then the dogs just the scent disappeared. They couldn't, they
had nothing to follow from there. This just shocks me.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, I don't know if you guys are familiar with
the More Murray case. Yes, Jason's cases shares a lot
of in some ways eerily similar stuff to Moras More.
The same way they sent dogs tracked there about one
hundred I don't even know what the actual distance was,
but they tracked it a little ways away from the

(29:36):
car and lost it.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
And usually when tracking dogs loose sense like scent like this,
it usually means someone's picked up, they got in a vehicle,
and the scent just ceases to exist on the dog's plane.
So whether they get higher, there's lots of scientific things
that I don't understand when it comes to them but
I do trust. I trust a lot of dogs, dogs
a lot more than humans.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yages are very good, they're very smart. But one thing
to keep in mind is they are not infallible. There.
They have good days and they have bad days, and
set will change depending on weather conditions when stuff like that.
So what I Again, I'm not here to bash anybody,
but I would have probably brought another scind dog out
there and let it run and see if it did

(30:21):
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, you definitely need that checks the balance with them
to make sure that again, this on's not having a
bad day or I don't know, maybe he had to
pepper in his morning eggs and his nose. You didn't
never know.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, but overall dogs are great, yes, and they are
a very important and vital tool in search rescue.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
So, after nine days of searching, they again covered thousands
of acres very quickly, Texas at You Search called off
their efforts until law enforcement had a few more leads,
a little bit more information about Jason's whereabouts, just more
of a direction. They felt that they were just looking
for a needle in a haystack and they had no

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direction to go with.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, no clues, nothing, no leads to point them in
a certain direction. They were just almost like free Willy
out there, just roman trying to figure out anything. And
it is a lot of land and the terrain is
different than the branded loss in case, but it's also
very similar with the houses being sparse but not There

(31:26):
are houses. We probably passed twenty houses with cattle and
horses and all of that in that area. He could
have walked literally twenty yards and been at someone's house,
which boggles my mind.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
One thing I would be curious to know is I
only bring this up because it's a point in the
brand and Lost in case, is are those houses inhabited
at that time? There's houses that where branding went missing,
but they're not always lived in because a lot of
these properties were used for hunting and and the people
live somewhere else in the state or in the city.
So I would be a little curious to know is

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as to if those houses are normally occupied or not.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, there were some that were definitely abandoned out there who.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Did show signs of people living. When I've exist, I
will say that I.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Think that the timeframe of when Jason has Jason went
missing is a little different than one Brandon went missing.
Because Jason went missing in hunting season, people are still
out there hunting. So even if these are all hunting leases,
chances are someone's going to be there because December is

(32:37):
white Terra Reeason.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, so that would be I didn't think about that.
Kudos to you.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
You were a Yeah I did either. I don't even
know when hunting season, so that that would be a
positive in Jason's saber. Now out here, also we have
these abandoned houses and bars and these old erics and
pump jacks and all these things that tank batteries, yes,
that have openings that if it was cold and you

(33:03):
are naked, you would maybe try to crawl in there
for some warmth.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
More. Notice a couple of them had their hatches open.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
They did, and I would be interested. I'm assuming that
if they did as extensive as a search as they did,
they would have noticed those hatches. They would have peeked
in there.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I would think if they were doing their due diligence
they checked those.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
But that is another thought.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yes, oh yeah, absolutely still searching.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
The new year comes around where there's not nothing new,
nothing new on Jason's case until February twenty sixth, and
that's when they bring out TECHSAR again and they do
a three day hunt with more than one hundred volunteers.
They covered more than thirty one thousand acres on foot.
They used dogs, they scattered by horse brack, they used drones.

(33:55):
They did side scan sonar, which I know nothing about,
but I know Jason knows a little bit because they
use I do believe they use the SNAr for Brandon's case,
or if I'm big the heat detections are, you're probably
about intrady.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Now, I know a lot of people will and I've
had this come up in the Brandon loss. In cases,
a lot of people will make the argument that why
would you use it for red days weeks later? Because
the person is mostly they're out there, they're most likely
to cease. They're not going to be still putting off
a hot heat signature. That's both true and not true. Okay,

(34:33):
I don't know what they use in Jason Landry's case,
but I know in brand New's case they use Fleer,
which is forward looking in for red radar. Now, it's
true that if a person is out there for that
amount of time and they're most likely to cease, their
body temperature is not going to be what it normally is,
but it will still be different from the things that

(34:53):
are surrounding it, and these Fleer cameras can detect those differences.
You can freeze a water bottle in a freezer, take
it out on a day that's one hundred degrees and
throw it out in the middle of a field. Two
days later, come back with a Fleer camera. That water
bottle will still be a different temperature than the stuff
around it.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Oh and I the way I understand this is that
the body is an insulator. A human body is an insulator.
So if it's sitting on top of your ground level temperature,
let's say it's thirty degrees outside, your ground level is
thirty degrees, I'm just throwing out easy numbered And you
have a deceased body, whether there's blood pumping or not
in that body, laying on top that location on the

(35:36):
ground where that deceased body would be laying would in
insulate that ground to a different temperature. Am I understanding
that correctly?

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yes? And another thing the camera or the Flear cameras
are able to do is soil that has been recently disturbed,
such as burial who were peri at a different temperature.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Holy mathckrel.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
That's why they use them sometimes too. Yeah, if you
didn't got the earth that you bury a body and
you go out there with a Flear camera, the soil
has been disturbed, will be a different temperature. That camera
will protect that difference. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Is a beautiful thing. It is.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
It is.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I know lots of hunter As a matter of fact,
I work with one. He's shot a couple of hogs
and the hogs have ran off and he lost them,
and he used the Flear camera to find them the
day or two later because their temperature is still different
from things around it. It's seeing what those Flear cameras
will do.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Wow, that's interesting. Another thing that they did do when
they were out searching is they conducted water searches. There
are several creeks. Yeah, and I wouldn't necessarily call them
a river because they aren't clearly, they aren't very deep,
but there's several creeks that run through the area that
wind all through there. They did do a few water
searches out there, and they also surveyed by helicopter and

(36:53):
while we were out there, obviously it's the same timeframe winter.
Technically on the calendar it's not winter, but it's winter
in Texas. So everything is dead. There's no foliage on
the trees that are really going to block your view
straight to the ground. Lots of sticks, lots of dead trees,
lots of I would call it, what is it wheat grass?
That's it in the winter that winter wheat looks thick,

(37:15):
but generally everything's dead. Yeah, So I think that by
survey by helicopter you would be able to see a
decent amount of land.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, you can cover quite a bit ground.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
The fact that in that area though, there were like
drop offs to these creeks slash tree and I mean
it was like a good what five to ten feet
in some of these areas where it would just drop
off a small little cliff, lets say, And you wouldn't
know if you didn't know that area. So volunteers scoured
this defined searge area.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
They brought all the information back to the Coldbell County
Sheriff's office, and I do know that they are actively
working on this case. His family is still actively advocating
for this missing person. Obviously, anyone's ever going to give
up hope that their loved one isn't still out there, and.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
His family is very active on social media. They just
conducted a vidual. It is very much keep Jason Landry's
story in the public's eye because someone, well, mate, I
don't even know if someone knows something. Honestly, this is
one where I'm like, really, someone might not even know something.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
It's I would say it's possible either way. After everything
we've looked at, after everything we've seen, I've really come
to two basic conclusions. I would say, based on all
of the evidence, that he is most likely still in
the area somewhere, but it is possible that he was

(38:53):
picked up and taken out of their Now I don't
know if he got into a car willingly or unwillingly.
I don't have enough evidence to say we don't have
any indication. At least we don't the public. We have
no choice but to go off what is out there
social media and news articles, stuff like that. I know
that the private investigator have at least some sort of

(39:16):
circumstantial evidence that there may have been someone else there.
Without seeing that evidence for myself, I can't comment. And
the private investigators, by the way that are working this
case are really smart. They're from a nonprofit called Project Cobscentists.
They're actually retired FBI agents, so they know what they're doing.
They're smart guys.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
No, well, and we did put in a Freedom of
Information Acts request on this, and we've got several pages
of black lines and we know the temperature. So to me,
that tells me that they're holding on to anything and
everything they can right now. Because in the grand scheme
of cold cases or missing persons cases, this is still

(39:57):
a very fresh and very apt case.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
The fact that they're holding information is not surprising. I've
seen a lot of people post on Facebook that they're
frustrated because law enforcement has said that they don't have
any evidence of foul play, but they're withholding all this information.
There's a reason they do that. Just because they don't
have any evidence of foul play does not mean by
default that there is no foul play they and they're

(40:23):
aware of that. They have to be able to account
for someone calling in tomorrow and admitting to all of this.
They may have information that only they and someone who
was there knows, and they have to be able to
keep that close to the chest so that if somebody
does come forward, they will be able to say Okay,

(40:44):
this person is legit a part of this, or this
person's just a wacko calling in garner attention for themselves,
and that happens. People will false call that things all
the time, and so law enforcement has to keep information
close to the chest.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
The choice and look at the og like Henry Lee
Lucas was the king of claiming.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, yeah, he was admitting to things left and right,
and they were going back and looking and going, there's
no way in all ep there.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, and people and it amazes me how many people
want to take credit for some of these things. Oh yeah,
now you brought this up that we were talking about
how there may be other people with him. They recently
didn't search and I said recently. It was in October,
So to me, that's recent, Yes, very recent. They deployed Techstar,

(41:37):
deployed more volunteers. They examined a few other areas of
interest that were identified through artificial intelligence and geospatial tools
to do you know what that is?

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Nope, Okay, Jason and I were at Jason Watson and
I were actually talking about this.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
This is where they are.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
They take all the colors and they do all this
video footage and then they pull out certain colors. So
you have to think, if Jason Lantry went missing in
a red shirt, they're going to look for red in
this computer program and they're going to pull out all
of these anomalies.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Okay, we know Jason was naked wherever he's at. Yes,
most likely he was naked because of his clothing being
in the red. Yes.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
So then they had to figure out what color because
that's how this program works. What color can they put
in to do this? And I think they ended up
with the white because that would either be bone. So there,
I think there was around eighty anomalies that they pinpointed
in this large area that they need to go out
and physically look at to see what it is. Most

(42:41):
of those I would assume would be animal bones. They
could be actually one hundred different things, but that would trash, yes, debris.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
We actually looked at doing this in Brandon Lawson's case
with our drone footage.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
When this being as many as many cows as we
saw out there, and dyes and as much wildlife as
we saw, there's the likelihood of a bone being found
out there being human. I feel like it's lower than
it being an animal.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Oh, yeah, yeah, and you guys, I think I'm sure
you guys saw this. And when y'all came down and
did Brandon's lost in case, there are animal bones all
over the place.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Down there was the pig.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
The hogs were like literally right and left like people
that hit them with their cars.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
They're like dead. Carcass would be right there.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
I think we saw at least five oh three hundred
pound pigs.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
We talked a little bit about the theories regarding Jason's
disappearance and when we were out there, when we were
walking around, it's like, what do you look for when
you're out here? What do you look for? We know
he took the clothes he was last seen in off.
Did he put other clothes on, we don't know. Did
he have other shoes, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
So what do you look for?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
When Brandon's case, we're looking for a piece of his
shirt hanging on a piece of barb wire or in
the trees, anything that may have essentially torn off his
body to lead you in a direction, or because he
had his cell phone, wore his cell phone. But in
Jason's case, what do you look for? You look for
dragon blood. Okay, it's been a year. Now, where are you.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
That.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, you're not going to find that, even if you
like luminolled out there, which good luck with that. Yeah,
the animal you'd be up there for, yes, your entire life. Yeah,
you would not get anywhere with that. So the most
recent knowledge that's going around, at least in the media
down here currently is they're petitioning for a what's called

(44:33):
a tower dump of information warrant, yes, also known as
a geo fence warrant excuse me. So with that, they
basically go to the cell phone towers around the location
where Jason was missing and download any and all data
from that location, and that will tell you what cell
phones come into that location near the time that Jason's

(44:56):
phone was in that location. It's supposed to tell law
enforcement if there were people with him or near him,
or maybe chasing him at the same time. Another lead.
It would be another lead essentially. And I think the
biggest concern with this is where is the line for
freedom of information? Like, where's the line? What is the

(45:16):
word on invision of privacy? That's that's it.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yes, And because right now Jason Landry's disappearance isn't considered
foul play, or a crime. So it's much more difficult
to get that subpoena to have this type of thing done. Now,
if they can prove it to crime, it would be
easier to get this.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
So there is a petition out there.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, and I would recommend all your listeners following sign
that petition.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
If we feel so, in fine, we will put it
in the show. Note for sure, Melissa and I have
already find it ourselves.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
It can't hurt take my privacy away if it's going
to mean the fine.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Jason, Well, one thing you have to keep in mind
is they're the most Specifically, the Fourth Amendment to the
United States Constitution is in place to prevent unwarranted and
unreasonable certain seizures without host and since there is no
evidence of foul play, it's really hard to argue that

(46:16):
you have probable cause.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, totally understandable about that.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, it's just that it is what it is. I argue,
I would like to see the GEO offense warrant done,
but I understand law enforcement's position on this. Law enforcement
is bound by the Constitution.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Basically absolutely absolutely. So outside of that, another theory is
he was driving drunk. I think we all agree on
the fact that he was driving drunk. The wreck would
have happened much earlier on in the journey on that road.
Just for do you guys understand it is about fifteen

(46:53):
It was a good wealth to fifteen minute.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
On throat on this dirt, windy road. And that's like
with Whitney going about third five.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
So it's a ways. It's not like it's I just
don't think he was flying down that road. I would
have been there within ten to twelve minutes if he
has gone fifty. We weren't low, but we weren't fast either,
Like I feel like we're going to regular speed down
that road, and I just don't think that driving drunk
was what happened. I would also like to see I
don't know how much blood I know they said it's

(47:22):
very minimal, but I wonder if they tested that for
any alcohol, if there was anything in his bloodstream that
may they may be able to pull any sort of
blood out.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I don't know from what I understand that blood spot
was very small. Maybe heiny in there. I don't know
if they would be able to test that amount for
that it upened. I don't think he was in David
there's just no evidence of that. We don't have any
of his buddies for coming out saying yeah, we were partying,
we were all drinking, were let There's nothing like that

(47:53):
that we're aware of.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Why would he want to even leave the party? Wouldn't
he just drive in the morning, that's my mind, like
it might. I didn't think if he's partying that night,
he'd be like, oh, yeah, I don't want to leave
hanging out.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I'll go in the morning. But because he wasn't, that's
the fact, Oh.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I'll leave it twenty one year old college kid, we'll
go party. So for me, that the fact that he
drove it that late doesn't no walk me.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
It doesn't to me either.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
It would if he left a party to drive home though,
or left.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yeah, yeah, because he would just be like leave in
the morning, like he wasn't. There was no like deal
with his parents that he would get home that night.
They didn't even know. They knew he was coming. But
I don't think they knew he was coming that particular night, correct,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Think they knew that he left it, Like he didn't
call and say hey, I'm on my way. Yeah, No,
he did they just assumed he was coming home thirteen
fourteenth time frame.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course this kid's been brought up
in a good religious and yes, upbringing. I don't think
he would have gotten intoxicated and then drove that far.
I think he would have.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Known him better, I agree, especially a route he wasn't
that familiar with. Like I know some people would be like, oh, hey,
I can push it from the bar to home, which
I do not condone at all, but hey, I'm going
to drive how far? Was it?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Three hours?

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yes, nobody's going to do that if they're drunk.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
In my mind, no, that was a lot of things
that the online community is arguing about. Who would leave
at ten thirty to drive two three, four and a half,
three and a half hour, four hours whatever it is
to Missouri City that late at night? Have you had
any college A.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Twenty one year old college guy would do it?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, he just woke up at two pm. Why he
should need to go until probably he said five six
o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I did that a few times when I was twenty one, attempt.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
It's better drive me less trapid No, even not as
a college guy.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
We drove Colorado over there.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
He used to do it like you get off work
and you're ready to go. Oh, three four hours is not.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Anything We've all heard the terms sleep all day, party
all night.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
The last biggest thing that I want to talk about
is so there's lots of speculation because it was so
cold in Texas at that time, about hypothermia.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Right, So.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Lots of things that I've read in articles about Jason
is they think that he took his clothes off because
he was hypothermic. And when you are hypothermic, and I'm
going to speak with a medical professional because Whitney is
not a medically inclined but in any way, but I
do have some contents in the medical field that when
you do have hypothermia, because you're so cold, all of
your blood is at your internal organs or trying to

(50:39):
make sure to keep your body alive. Your heart's pumping,
your livery is working, like all of your organs are
doing well. But then your arms get cold and they
rush blood out for your arms, your extremities, and then
you get like a flush of heat and then you
feel like you're hot. And so a very common thing
is to take your clothes off when you are hypothermic

(51:00):
because you feel warm because your blood is trying to
rush to all these locations and you're flushing.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, there is a technical term for this. I have
read it, but I didn't write it down.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
The ability to maintain thermal homeostasis is difficult. Yes, we're
going to get brother word back and say.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I always yeah, all right, atward, But yes, you are correct.
They did. Apparently from some things we've been told. You
can get a feeling that you're actually very hot, and
you will shed your clothes. You would think hypotheria. He
wouldn't go very far. Yes, especially these confused in addition
to it, but I referenced I've actually forgot to send

(51:45):
you the link. But I referenced the case from the
Missing four to one to one Hunted series where goes
hunting up in the mountains in Montana with a group
of his buddies. He separates from them to go up
another trail and into a little area to get some
extra supply. He somehow misses the ter, which he would
have known because he would have come up to a river,

(52:07):
and he shedded his boots, which they think he did
under the feeling of hypothermia, and then somehow a year later,
his body has found six miles from where his boots
were shed under the guise of hypothermia, and he's still
able to hike six miles through mountains and Rocky Hill.

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You'll hear the investigator in that show say, I don't
know how this is possible, but somehow he got that
far and just one or two bones that they found.
They found a skull, a pelvis, legs, so the birds
and the animals didn't drag him six miles, So it's
possible Jason is somehow made it miles from where the

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car was.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
And something else that I found interesting on this quick
hypothermia search is terminal burrowing.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
So a lot of times I've heard this too.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, with that the hypothermia and the confusion is you
almost into this very animalistic creature and you think, I
just need to get under something, under a bed, behind
a wardrobe, in one of those hatches, down underneath something
to create a den, essentially to help minimalize heat loss.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
And I did find the correct term for shedding the clothing.
It's paradoxical undressing.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yes, that's what it was. That's what I saw.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
So what this state and this is from live science
dot com. Just so I don't get in trouble for plagiarizing,
It says, as strange as the terminal burrowing behavior might seem,
an act called paradoxical undressing is even more confounding. The
term describes the behavior among many victims of extreme hypothermia
of peeling off most or all of their clothing, increasing

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heat loss. It says paradoxical undressing often occurs immediately before
terminal burrowing. Wow, it's said immediately before. It almost always
occurs immediately before terminal burrowing. Then they would have found him,

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not if he dug himself underneath something.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah. Paradoxical undressing is a term for a phenomenon free
cases of lethal hypothermia. Shortly before death, the person will
remove all of their clothes as if they were burning up,
when in fact they are free. Wow. Because of this,
people who have frozen to death are often found naked
and are misidentified as victims of violent crime. There have

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even been thirty three described cases of hypothermia collected from
Swedish police reports. Wow.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
It says, the muscles necessary for inducing vasoconstriction become exhausted
and fail, causing warm blood to rush from the core
to the extremities. This result in the hot flash that
makes victims of severe hypothermia, who are already confused and disoriented,
feel as though they are burning up, so they remove
their clothes. Then they go into the terminal burrowing. And

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the researchers in Germany investigating hypothermia victims noted in their
article that quote the final position in which the bodies
were found could only be reached by crawling on all
fours or flat on the body, resulting in abrasions to
the knees, elbows, et cetera. This crawling happens after undressing,
as there were abrasions to the scan but no damage

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to corresponding parts of the removed clothing.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
One thing I do remember us discussing is when we
were at the scene was possibly being It was an
hour between where his phone last communicated in where the
car was found, and we were discussing how long would
it take him to start getting to that stage hypothermia,
And I was just reading this Hypothermia can develop and
as little as five minutes in temperatures of minus fifty

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degrees fahrenheit at thirty below zero, hypothermia can set in.
Wow can fully set in ten minutes. It wasn't thirty
below zero, but hypothermia can develop in as little as
five minutes and temperatures of minus fifty degrees fahrenheit. Wow,
So it wouldn't have. It may not have taken him
long to start feeling that way. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
It does say that it can pomp in in minutes,
even at thirty two degrees. Wow.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah, that's just very well could have been what happened
to him.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Let's speculate a little bit here. He got into this
carrect he dodged for a deer. And this is me
completely spitballing. This is one hundred percent speculation. I'm just
talking through this case a little bit, trying to throw
out a theory. He's driving down the road because he's lost,
He's looking for a place to turn around. Perhaps runs out,
he swerves to miss it, gets in this accident, turns

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his car off, tries to find where he's at. Maybe
steps up. Maybe we did check for cell phone reception.
Jason did not. Jason Watts did not have cell phone reception,
but Melissa and I did.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, And I would be curious to know who Jason
Landers provider was. Mine was mobile. Mine was T Mobile,
and I did not have any service at the scene.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yes, and Melissa and I both have AT and T
and we both had two bars.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Yeah, I was able to make a phone call without
a FaceTime call right even, Yes, a FaceTime call, zero
problems at all, So that would touch. But if his
phone was stuck in the little abyss or area that
he couldn't get to and he couldn't find it, and
he just said.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Freaking forget it. To our knowledge, he didn't even use
his cell phone.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, did not even try to use it because it
was stuck in that area.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
So he crawls out of his car. He's trying to
get his whereabouts where he could be. Maybe he hid
his head in the wreck, so he's already confused by
a concussion like impact. He's maybe even shaken up a
panic work and adrenaline sets into people differently, so he's
trying to figure out where he's at. He steps out,
and he's looking around for a couple of minutes, develops

(58:14):
this iBooks or mixed state, which then makes him go
into further confusion and panic, I would assume. And then
he takes his clothes off and he's looking for a
place to get warm.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yes, yes, all posable as possible. When he'd gotten that wreck,
he took one look. Again, this is speculation, as you
pointed out, because we don't know what his provider was.
Only we're not proving that information law enforcement than his
family probably are, so they might be able to answer
the question. But possible he got in that wreck, took

(58:49):
a look at his phone, so he had no service,
said crap, set it back down in the seat, and
as he's trying to get out of the car, he
accidentally knocks it between the seat and the console. That's
possible as speculation, but as possible. Again, there's just if,
like Brandon Lawson's case, you just don't have enough information.
Or you could come up with his most probable scenarios,

(59:09):
but those are not one hundred percent inched in stone.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
You need more information, And we can sit here and
talking circles and talking circles, but honestly, until we find
Jason well and even then we may never know.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, and it is highly possible somebody was just driving
down that road and came upon him and he got
in the car willingly or unwillingly, we don't know, and
from there something happened.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
It's entirely possible. There was another I think there was
another theory that he was meeting someone out there that
he obviously turned off his way because he was meeting someone.
But I believe that went along with the narcotic situation
that he was meeting someone out there for a drug deal,
which I mean, I'm not saying it's not possible, but
I find it improbable, and I believe there's zero evidence.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
That would me he was meeting very unusual meeting spot.
He pointed out this has come up in Brandon's case too,
is that that drug bill gone wrong or something? Looing
is So what was the population?

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
He said, five thousand, five thousand, Yeah, so I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Don't know what their law enforcement presence is there. I'm
assuming it's probably not a big department.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
It's probably the size of a five thousand people town,
so penty cops max.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
It would be a lot less conspicuous to just say, hey,
come by the house to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Go that bar down that road, unless he was going
to someone's specific holm. I don't see why he would
get that bar off track unless he was lost.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I don't know if this is one that we're going
to continue to help advocate for I agree hopefully help
whoever we can.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I have reached out to project have said this. I
have reached out to I believe his name is Mike
or Mark Penya. He's I think he's the lead investigator
for IT Money and to on this case and have
volunteered or help with the search or whatever else I
can do. But I would highly recommend to your list
the audience keep sharing sign that petition for the GEO

(01:01:02):
Friends warrant, keep sharing Jason Landry's story. And if if
somebody out there is responsible for Jason's disappearance, man, just
do the right thing. Come forward, at least give the
family Jason's location so that they can have that peace
of mind. Absolutely, there's a thousand ways to get that information.
You could call in anonymous on the anonymously.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Just give them that, Yeah, TI blize, crime stoppers, everything
that we can get to help give you the tools
you need to come forward.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Absolutely, and we're on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
The same page a day soon. We're gonna do whatever
we can to help. We appreciate you coming on and
going out there with us. This of our seconds together,
it's not going to be our last.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Well, we've already talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
We're already in the works of our next one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
We're here until we find Jason, and we'll be here
until we find Samantha or any other case you choose.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
To have us on. When you first message the help
Find Brandon Lawson facebook page, I gotta be fully honest
with you where the family is very leary sometimes who
to go with and who not to go with. I
can't tell you how many podcasts message that Facebook page
and I've taken a listened to them, and God, I
don't think these people have the best of intentions. I've

(01:02:23):
given this from up they shitt or.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
You can tell, you can tell I'm up right there
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
And so I reported back to Ledston, said, hey, I
think these girls do have good intentions, and so the
rest is history.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Jason's family has an incredible team of advocates surrounding them.
Being a part of the team has been just absolutely motivating.
As weather permits, they have monthly searches that I have
had the honor to be a part of. More than
one of members of the team have furthered their education
skills on their own for the betterment of the team.

(01:02:59):
They have taken classes and gain knowledge in things like
digital apps, skeletal systems, and even effective planning. The Jason
Landry search team is a machine that is not only
incredible to see, but to be a part of. Each
person has a unique role to play and they are
truly on inspiring. If you're in the immediate area, please

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consider joining the Missing Person Jason Landry Facebook page and
joining in on a search. If you are not in
the area, there are multiple ways you can support, including
financial contributions to Amazon wish lists, all listed there on
the Facebook page.