WHAT-IF: Reimagining Humanity Through Future Technologies

What happens when the barrier between human thought and technology disappears? In this mind-bending episode, we're joined by Digital Boardwalk's escalations engineer Damien Howell to explore the frontiers of future technology that could fundamentally reshape humanity.

We dive headfirst into brain-computer interfaces and their revolutionary potential to eliminate physical devices altogether. Imagine controlling everything with your thoughts or having Google searches happen directly in your mind. But as Damien points out, this convenience comes with profound security risks – if your brain is connected to networks, could your thoughts be hacked? We contemplate the social implications, coining the term "anti-chippers" for those who might resist neural enhancement in a cyberpunk-like future.

The conversation takes fascinating turns through genetic modifications that could let us communicate with animals and plants, dream recording technology that raises questions about privacy and creativity, and weather control capabilities that could create new geopolitical tensions. We examine how AI-powered education systems might personalize learning while potentially widening digital divides, and explore how deep space colonization would transform governance and society.

Throughout our discussion, we balance technological optimism with critical examination of ethical implications. Would recording dreams create new forms of entertainment or expose our innermost thoughts to scrutiny? Could interplanetary internet systems connect distant human colonies while opening new security vulnerabilities? These aren't just theoretical questions – they're the approaching realities that will shape the future of human experience.

Join us for this thought-provoking exploration of technology's next frontiers, complete with rapid-fire questions about yard rakes, flying superpowers, and what chores we'd happily surrender to robots. Subscribe now and never miss a discussion about the technologies reshaping our world!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello and welcome to another version of Nerds on Tap,
where we dive into deepdiscussions based around
entrepreneurship and business,but it always has to be fused
with new technology and how weuse existing technology to
benefit our lives and ourbusinesses, all while tasting a
flight of favorite brews thatour guest has chosen.

(00:27):
Today is going to be fun,because I've been trying to get
Mr Damien Howell on here for awhile and we finally get him
today.
I'll introduce him in just aminute.
But also our stories today willbe centered around exploring
future hypotheticals oftechnology and its potential
impact on the world.

(00:48):
The emphasis here is these areall going to be potential future
technologies, not existing, orthey could be existing
technologies that are in beta,that haven't been in production
or, you know, used by consumersyet.
So I always love these types ofepisodes.

(01:10):
So a little bit about Damien.
He is the escalations engineerat Digital Boardwalk.
We all love him around here.
He does a great job.
I actually was at a dinner lastnight hosting one of our
customers and his name came upby the customer and they were
raving about him, and so he'salways been fascinated with

(01:34):
computers and he's been usingcomputers since he was a kid.
His favorite show is BreakingBad, His favorite pastime is
playing video games and he is apushover, ladies, for Dunkin'
Donuts.
So if you want to get to thisman's heart, it's through
Dunkin' Donuts.
Today we're going to touch ondepending on time, we're going

(01:58):
to try to touch on as many ofthese topics as we can.
We're going to hit onbrain-computer interfaces,
universal translators, AI tutors, climate control technology,
human biology alterations, dreamrecording, deep space
colonization and interplanetaryinternet.

(02:21):
Now, we might not hit on all ofthese, but we're going to hit
on as many of these as we canand talk about them.
But first, welcome to the show,Mr Damien Howe.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Thank you very much for having me Excited to be here
.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, why are you excited to be here?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm excited to be here because, after watching all
the other podcasts, I feel likethere's always a lot of
interesting questions and alsoit's been very hard to catch me.
So I feel like at this pointit's going to be a really good
episode because it's been such along time in the making.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
All right, All right.
Well, I'm excited to have you.
I know we've been like, likeyou said, we've been talking
about this for a while.
Some things came up Life getsin the way but we finally got
you.
So do you know how our showusually starts?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Don't we usually start off the beer tasting?

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Gotta have a beer Edge.
What do we got today have isthe Sunshine State White Sangria
from the Brewer Island GroveWine Co.
Your senses will come alivewith the fragrant aromas of
pineapple, peaches and mangoes.
This fresh fruit blend offersyou a light-bodied, sweet,

(03:37):
fruit-forward experience that ispleasing to the novice sipper.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Mr Hedge, are all these beers today going to be
fruity like this?

Speaker 4 (03:46):
I can't comment on that, but we'll find out as the
show progresses okay, I justtook a sip, I don't have a
comment damian, what are youdrinking?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
so I'm going to be drinking a land shark lager from
the brewer MargaritavilleBrewing Company.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
So, aren't you working Technically off the
clock as of three?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
minutes ago Awesome.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
But born in Margaritaville.
This island style lager iscomplex blend of hops and two
row caramel melt.
This island-style lager iscomplex blend of hops and
two-row caramel melt.
You have Melt with a light,refreshing taste and a hint of
malty sweetness.
There you guys go.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
You have listened to our show.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Oh yeah, so I will now take this.
Well, I wish I was drinkingthat.
All right, all right, so we'regoing to hit you right away with
brain computer interfaces, orBCIs.
So what if brain computerinterfaces became as common as

(05:04):
smartphones, allowing people tocontrol devices with their
thoughts?
What do you think about that,damian?
What are your thoughts?
What are you?
Here's the irony.
What are your thoughts on thattopic?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
So I think that if we started getting, like, you know
, interfaces in our brains, kindof like what, like uh, elon
Musk is trying to do right nowwith the whole like brain link
thing, um, I don't know it'sgoing to, it's going to make a
pretty interesting situation,because I feel like you're gonna
have those people that are,like, you know, black hat
hackers trying to like hack into, uh you know some like

(05:34):
grandma's phone or something,and it's gonna.
It's gonna cause for a prettyinteresting thing, because it's
like built in your brain.
So I don't really know howthat's going to go.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I guess.
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, I would.
I would want to know how do youthink they would change the way
we interact with technology ona daily basis?
That's the key thing, becauseif, if you're connected and
you're working with the tech, Ithink that's I guess that would
be the first thing I would wantto bring up is you're going to
interact with tech on a dailybasis.

(06:08):
How is that going to change?
And then we can talk about, youknow, the social aspects and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Right.
I think that, honestly, thebiggest thing is going to be we
might be able to neutralize theneed for a physical device
altogether.
Be able to neutralize the needfor a physical device altogether
as, in like, since we're goingstraight through our head, we'll
be able to day to day, you know, if we need to like search
something on Google, we'll havethe search engine built in to
our brain.
So we're either seeing theinterface or we're just thinking

(06:36):
the thoughts of it searching,and then we're able to process
that and get the results thatwe're looking for.
So, I really think it's going tobe an interesting thing,
because if we can neutralize theneed for a physical device, we
might actually open ourselves tomore things we can do, since
we're linking it directly intoour internals, you know.
Um, so yeah, it's kind of whatI'm thinking on that.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Hey, by the way.
Um, this is off topic, butwho's your supervisor?
This is off topic, but who'syour supervisor?
Jimmy Guest, jimmy Guest, waita minute, wait a minute, hold up
, hold up.
Let's stop the show for just aminute.
I, what is that?
Oh, I hear you.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Edge, do we, do we have a special?
Guest joining Damien on theshow today?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Let me check the other camera real quick, quick.
Oh look who we have in thestudio there he is mr damien.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
I see you're drinking on the clock he's talking to
you like he's darth vader, andyou're.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Look at the lighting too.
It just casts over.
It looks so villainous it doesJust like in that shot caller
video, mr Damien.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
How is it?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
going, Mr Guest.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
It is going well sir.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
So, Jimmy, what are your thoughts on that?
I mean, let's talk about theinteraction between BCIs and
technology.
What do you see as theimmediate, immediately?
What comes to your head as faras the immediate impact?

Speaker 5 (08:14):
I mean, it's very interesting to hear Damien's
response, from his age group, soto speak versus what I would
think of it being more of a 3Dinteraction of like a I don't
know like the Apple Visor, whereyou see, like the actual
screenshots of it, he's more oflike.
This is going to be more of aninterface, which is an awesome

(08:34):
answer.
It's just the different thoughtprocess was pretty, even though
it's you know, we're talkingabout Neuralink.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well, yeah, I mean with any type of Neuralink.
I mean obviously, I meanthere's the obvious things that
come to mind.
I mean you've got thepsychology aspect, which they're
already doing today and we'llget more into that.
That's where you're.
You're hooking up, you'relooking at a series of colors
and listening to a series ofsounds and you're reacting to

(09:02):
them sounds and you're reactingto them, and what it's doing is
it's checking your neuro networkto see how your neuro network
is responding to these differentthings.
So, for instance, like childrenwith depression or suicidal
thoughts or anything like that,they are actually doing that
today.

(09:22):
Where you can, you know, hookup and it has a really high
success rate because it'sretraining your brain through
neuro waves, if you will, orresponses to make your brain
think differently.
So they're not so down.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
This is correct.
I've seen some of the teststhat they're running with
Neuralink.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, Damien, yeah, that is actually a really crazy
thought because, like Jimmy issaying, they have actually
already been starting to do that, where they have these devices
mounted onto certain parts ofyour brain that when they detect
certain waves like sadness orsomething being propped within
your brain, then it sends acertain it's like a certain kind

(10:12):
of a jolt.
If you will, that willbasically counteract it and or
make you go on to a differentlevel.
So say, if you're starting tofeel sad, it might give you a
jolt and put you on a path tobeing happy again, as in like,
if something got you down, thenyou'll start looking at the
upsides of it and then you won'tbe so down about it and it will
change the way you're thinkingabout things like your
perception of it.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
So I mean BCIs would revolutionize accessibility for
people with disabilities.
I mean we just covered that.
Are there any ethical concernswith with the neural
enhancements Do you?
What would the ethical concernsbe here?
Now, this is kind of a loadedquestion and it's really hard to
answer, but let's keep an openmind.

(10:49):
And just what are your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Amen, you take it away first, mr Guest.
No, that's a good questions.
I mean, think about it and whatwe've always been taught
through the years, even througheighties movies and everything
like that you know, skynet wasbasically a neural net processor
, the basically the other thingsof it.
All we've been taught to learnin our generation is ai is bad.

(11:15):
Super computer computers willtake over the world, yeah, and
things like that.
So if you look at it from thataspect but also think of maybe,
well, if you develop thetechnology to change waves, is
there a thought process into itthat you can start reading how
people think?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
I think today if you look at those movies and look at
what ended, how those moviesended.
Not always good, not alwaysgood.
We are right now living thatSkynet era.
We are Because we aredeveloping robotics and we are
coming along really quick.
Ai is coming along, neuro whenyou combine all these things in

(11:54):
a more mature fashion, when theyhave matured, oh my God,
exactly, you've got Terminator,exactly.
So what industries wouldbenefit the most from widespread
bci adoption?

Speaker 5 (12:07):
a lot, health care, um senior living facilities.
That's um psychology.
Psychology, I mean mainly themedical field, is what comes to
mind any top of it, but I meanit's some kind of practical
application space travel.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
I was about to say what if they're wired in?

Speaker 5 (12:26):
and If they learn how to control REM sleep and
control stuff like that, towhere if you did long space
travel where you could actuallygo back and forth on that?
That's a different thought aswell.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
So, damian, I'm going to put you on the spot what
jobs would be made obsolete bythis technology.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I feel like a lot of jobs dealing with tech
inherently would become not asneeded because of the fact like,
such as a normal computer issue, right?
So say, your day-to-day user ishaving a printing issue that
they'd normally like submit aticket for, well, if you're
integrating like a Neuralinksystem into that, then they're
going to have the ineptibilityto be able to research it on the
fly and or have an interfacestraight up, tell them what they

(13:08):
need to press and or how theyneed to fix it.
So I feel like, in a way, thata lot of technical jobs we're
not going to totally go outbecause there's going to have to
be people that come up with theideas for the Neuralink and
stuff like that, but moresimpler day-to-day things for,
like you know, like a normalengineer or something working a
help desk, it might not be asneeded or say, um, that's a good

(13:34):
question, well, it bringsreally to add to that, it brings
back more of the ethicalquestion of if the help desk
engineer is actually wired in aswell, to see what thoughts back
and forth from there.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
There's also more things you could elaborate on
that all day.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, when you go into the hacking, right, yeah, I
mean I immediately steer tosecurity and privacy concerns.
I mean, what if?
Could our thoughts be hackedand manipulated, or manipulated?

Speaker 5 (14:00):
That's exactly what I was thinking, because I don't.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
One thing that you guys keep bringing up is you
know the use of do you hear avoice?

Speaker 3 (14:07):
and prior voice?

Speaker 4 (14:08):
stuff.
But uh, you know these.
These devices are built intoyour brain.
If you have a neural link, youwouldn't have to use a computer.
You just think about it andyou're searching the web with
your own brain.
So as far as like ethicalconcerns go, I mean you're
talking about like psychologicalhacking, like people being able

(14:32):
to hack your thoughts or hackyour own vision and doing all
sorts of stuff you would have tobe hooked up.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, to the internet I mean.
Or you know, yeah, I meanbecause if it's just localized
and you're just communicatingwith a computer, that's like
on-prem like if you're disabledand you're you know you've got
it built into the chair orwhatever.
To hack it someone would haveto come up behind you, I guess,
and plug into that chair.

(14:59):
But if you're hooked up to theinternet, it's kind of like a
tesla.
You see, what was that moviewhere the teslas all ran into
one another.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Oh, that's the end of us or the end of the world, or
gosh, it was on netflix anyway.
Yeah, those teslas were.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
It was part of the hack I mean they were hacked and
they just went berserk.
Yep, um, which you know.
I don't think that's on ourthing today, but it all goes
back to that and how that wouldplay out.
So final question on this topic, before we jump into genetics

(15:38):
Do you think BCIs could lead toa new form of social divide
between those who adopt andthose who don't?
Now, these are movie.
There's movies made about thisstuff I mean you've got one side
pitted against the other.
The first thing that comes tomind for me is I mean those who

(15:59):
adopt, uh like, anythingcontrolled by a computer that
thinks faster than a human.
Obviously it's going to giveyou superpowers, like an
exoskeleton in robotics is goingto give you super paddle powers
on a battlefield, uh, or tolift more things.
I mean, plugging in with a bciis going to give you access to

(16:23):
things that the natural onehabit, brain, isn't going to be
able to connect to.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
I'm going to go ahead and coin the phrase here
anti-chipper.
Those are the people that don'tadopt BCIs.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
That sounds more like somebody that refuses to chip
wood somebody that refuses tochip wood.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
I think of it like a cyberpunk way.
You know, you're gonna have thepeople that are into the, the
self-modification of it, becausethey want that upper edge on
normal humanity.
But then you're also gonna havethe people that are like no, I
want my body, I want my humanityyeah, they're anarchists.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right right, you're gonna have the anarchists.
They're gonna be marking,they're gonna be living
underground, and then you'regonna have all these super,
super humans living above ground, using all these different
technologies to uh, try to rulethe world right I mean, is that
a real?
Could that become a reality?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
that's what we're coming towards I mean, think
about 1960 to 1990.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Okay, there was only telephone and not.
Okay, you're talking on thetelephone too much.
After the 90s, 2000, cellphones people are talking more
on the cell phones too long.
Social media social media righthead down.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
We call that the head .
Uh, it was the head downgeneration right.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
So then you go to this new era like that.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
That's a whole another ballpark so I'm gonna
steer this one toward damien,because I like the fun questions
to go to him, because he's gotsome pretty wonky answers.
Um, we're gonna go ahead andswitch over to the genetics
section.
And if you could use those bcisthat we have been talking about
, or genetic modification tocommunicate to communicate with

(18:17):
animals or plants what would bethe first thing you'd want to
ask them?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
So I guess the first thing I'd ask them I'd be like
hey, what do you think of ahuman adaptation, you know as a
species?
100 years ago you guys watchedus just being these normal
humans.
But now you're looking at us,able to neuro link talk to you.
Or we have cybernetic arms andlegs like this, talk to you, or

(18:46):
we have cybernetic arms and legslike this, then you're.
Then you're questioning otheranimal species on your own, if
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
So you're asking them what they think of your
adaptation you know, I'd beasking my dog, nola, if she
really likes the food I'mfeeding her, because I never
could tell.
She seems to love it one dayand not the next day.
Or I'd want to ask her why doyou bark so much?

Speaker 5 (19:12):
true.
What about you?
I would ask the cat why hemeows so much, or does his?

Speaker 1 (19:21):
damien, what would, what would you ask your plant?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I.
I could ask my plant anything.
I would ask it why do you dieso often?
Even even though I water youand take care of you, why do you
still die?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
because you have it in a closet, in a dark closet.
So genetics, bcis, mods we'retalking about animals and plants
.
Could this change how weapproach environmental
conservation?
Would we have a moralresponsibility to listen to
nature's quote unquote voice?

(19:56):
So this is fun, I mean, edge,did you come up with these
questions?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Okay yeah, edge did you come up with?

Speaker 5 (20:11):
these questions?
Yeah, okay, yeah.
So, jg, what do you think?
That is the age-old question.
It is, I mean, well, thinkabout time.
I've ever heard that question.
Think about it, though, and theaspect he's trying to make it
think about it.
You always talk about listeningto mother nature.
Are we doing right for theplanet?
Are we doing all these thingsand listening to the voice of
the planet?
So, now you have all thesethings, that will actually turn,
and you could talk to plants,you could talk to animals.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
How would is the planet screaming right now?

Speaker 5 (20:36):
exactly is it?
Some people say yes, somepeople say no.
Right, good answer.
I mean, that's a, that's amulti-layered, a whole other
subject we can get into.
It's a world divided, correct?
but scientists, most scientists,say yes, it is screaming and
then there's a half that saysthat this is a cycle.
Then it goes back and this issomething that happens every

(20:56):
million years or whateverthere's.
There's a lot of it goes backand forth.
So I mean it's a veryintellectual conversation,
damien.
What do you think?
What do you think, damien?
It goes back and forth.
So I mean it's a veryintellectual conversation,
damien, what do you?
Think what do you think, Damien?

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, that is definitely a question.
So I think, in turn, if we'reable to communicate with the
plants and we're, you know,seeing what they think of the
world at its current I thinkthey're definitely going to have
a bit of a bone to pick with us, definitely as humans, for what
we've done to them.
But also I feel like it mightgive us a bit better of an edge

(21:31):
to figure out where we can comeback and we can restore what
we've destroyed.
You know the plants can tell ushow they you know as people,
you know how people reproduceand stuff like that and rebuild
areas.
It would be the same kind ofthing.
So it might be a helpful thingif we could communicate with the
animals and plants, becausethen we'd know how to keep them
around and keep everything happy, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
But, you know, are we playing God here by talking
about this?
I mean, I hate to use thatphrase, um, but what are the
ethical implications of, ofmodifying human biology to, you
know, interact with otherspecies?
I mean, if we could interactwith other species, why are you?

Speaker 5 (22:10):
I'm saying we're going, we're going on, we're
going on a we're going on likethis one conversation that could
go here right back.
I mean, are we playing?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
god but it's a good question you.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
it's interesting, because I could use that phrase
playing God with anything you'veaccomplished in the evolution
of humans and technology overthe last shoot, last thousand
years, years.
So you know, when it comes tothis, though, I mean this is

(22:42):
far-fetched to me, me, but sowas a computer in my pocket just
30 years ago that's very true,but then you get into a lot of
the ethical and the religiousaspects of it.
That starts to make it bringsout more questions I mean, but
if humans could communicate withanimals, right, right, how, I

(23:07):
mean, how would that impactindustries like agriculture,
hunting, pet ownership, I mean,wouldn't it change?
Of course it would.
You might hate your cat, jimmy.
You might hate the cat, if yourcat can talk back to you.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
Your cat might hate you.
If the cow could tell you whatit really needs to make more
milk, if the bird could tell youwhat it needs, there would be a
whole different ballpark goingon Our Yorkie Hank.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
One day he loves me, next day I think he hates me.
And I didn't do anything to him.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
He just reacts to me different on different days, and
it's, it's a little weirddamien.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Do you have animals?
Yeah, I and a Shih Tzu.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
So the Shih Tzu fits?
It's just the poodle.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, I have a doodle which is basically
predominantly a poodle.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
So we're brothers.
Well, that, and also to matchyou know how poodles are usually
like a bougie dog.
Well, my poodle's name is Gucci.
You know, to really fit themeaning.
What's your other dog's name.
Her name is Bella.
She has a normal dog name.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
I never Dude you.
Look at him and he has a dognamed Bella.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
I knew he had a dog.
I didn't know he had two dogs.
That's something I just learned.
Wow, had a dog you know you hadtwo dogs, that's something I
just learned.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Wow, I'll.
Uh, dang tim, I should havesent you pictures of this
beforehand.
We could have thrown them up onthe screen oh, you will, this
is pre-recorded.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
You send them to edge , he will throw your he will
throw your poodle named gu up onthe screen, Mr Howell.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
All right, so we're going to jump into our last part
of this Now, this I'm excitedabout.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Before we taste our next beer Dream recording, okay.
Our next beer, uh, dreamrecording, okay.
So if we could record dreams,like like we record videos,
right, if we could record themlike videos, do you think it
would enhance creativity orcould it cause problems like
exposing thoughts we don't wantothers to see?

(25:41):
Now, obviously, if you record avideo and you don't like it or
don't want anybody to see it,you know, delete it, right now I
just want to go on record.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
They did this on total recall.
Talk to me about that, a totalrecall where they implanted
dreams, the remake with well,there was both or the original
original with schwarzenegger.
Yes, they did both where theyimplanted the dream and in life
back into his brain.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh, yeah, they did.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Yeah, and it was called.
I forget the name.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
And they did record video.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
They recorded the video and they played it back.
Oh yeah, I'm a big fan.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
You can always count on JG to bring us all back to
movie talk.
Yes, damien, have you had adream recently?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, I mean I experienced what most people
experience you wake up and youremember bits and pieces of your
dreams, but you know it wassomething cool.
Fragments, yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Was it cool.
Can you share on the show?
Or was it too racy to share onthe show?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Too racy to share because I don't really have
enough to make it a continuousstory um all right, okay, I know
where this is going and next soanyway.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
So if you could record that dream, if that dream
was pre-recorded, right like itrecorded automatically when you
had it, what would you do thenext morning?
Would you delete it or wouldyou re-watch it?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
so I've had a few epiphanies in my life where I've
waken up and I was like youknow, wow, that dream I just had
was, like you know, book worthy, like I could be like the next
JK Rowling or something.
Um so uh, with that being said,I would save my dream and I
would probably write a book onit, because I think that'd be a
really cool thing to do.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah that's great.
Have you ever had a dream cometrue?
This isn't on my script here.
Have you ever had a dream cometrue?

Speaker 5 (27:49):
It's kind of on the whole philosophical layers of
things again too, like I've haddreams.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, I have too, when I was younger.
That many, many, many moonslater.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yes, I will 100% agree with that.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
It actually happened.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Yes, I've had that.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yes, I will 100% agree with that.
It actually happened.
Yes, I've had that.
And you know, I think my lastdream I had my whole family was
in my dream and all I rememberis wherever we were, there were
people chasing us and there werebombs and I was protecting my
family and taking them throughrubble.
That was my last dream that Ican remember having.

(28:26):
And if I was plugged in uh to abci and I was able to record uh
dreams and I recorded that, howcool would that be to play it
back for your family?
And hey, guess what?

Speaker 5 (28:40):
that's what we were doing.
Watch me save you guys.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Watch me save you so could, could dream recording
become the next form ofentertainment, sure I?

Speaker 5 (28:51):
think I could done already touched on it.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
He did look right done practically.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Actually there's been a study.
I don't know if you guys haveheard of this, but in california
there's a startup company inthe Silicon Valley that was
basically trying to get peopleto visualize your lucid dreams
or have others step into thosedreams while they're happening,
and it actually was successful.
They had a full blown,successful test.

(29:19):
They had two like neuro linksbasically hooked up to two
people and they went to sleepand they, I think they gave them
some sort of a like stimulantto help them, uh, to help them,
um, get the lucid dream to form,basically.
But once it did, with thesystem they had together, they
were actually able tocommunicate within the dream and

(29:39):
they recorded the whole thing.
They recorded the interaction.
It's, it's insane.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
It was the first ever case.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
You know, send me the name of that startup if you can
find it, because we like to letour listeners know who this is,
because I'm sure they'd beinterested in finding some
information on that.
So if it was the next form ofentertainment, imagine selling
your dreams as a movie.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
I already was about to say they did this in vanilla
sky with tom cruise would you?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
would you watch someone else's dreams?
I mean, we already watch reelsand we watch other people
putting on.
I mean, I think my daughterwatches girls putting on makeup
to help her figure out how toput on makeup.
So technically, people arefilming in their own bedrooms
doing normal everyday stuff andpeople are finding that

(30:29):
fascinating, right.
So I'm sure dreams would bereally cool, because it would be
like the same thing, except ina uh a, a movie production.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Because it would be like a movie right, damien,
anything else before uh you gotme cashed on that.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Uh, I got him, I got him cashed, he's still thinking
about that last dream he hadyeah that's

Speaker 3 (30:56):
too racy for our show he's book

Speaker 1 (30:58):
deal I'm trying to, I'm trying to put the fragments
together for you guys I meandream, dream sharing could be
used, for it's a practice, uh,mental health therapy.
Uh, could it help with ptsd oranxiety, or might it create new
issues?
I mean, if you could watch yourown dreams back I mean I know

(31:20):
some of my dreams it would scarethe hell out of me.
You know why did I dream that?
What the hell?
I mean, that's your, yoursubconscious, you know, just
generating what are they sortingout?

Speaker 5 (31:31):
your like, yeah, non-memory it's like I forget
what it was, but it's likesorting out the conflicts that
you're dealing with in your lifeor things that you want so
before we go on to our next beer, final question on this topic
how do you think people wouldfeel about dream privacy?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I mean, this is the.
If you notice, I'm touching onprivacy and ethics and security,
because that's what we do.
Could dream recordings be usedin court like surveillance
footage?
I mean, come on, I would thinkthey would be able to, but again
, it's your subconscious.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
You know my movie brain's thinking here.
They did that in MinorityReport.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Oh, I remember Minority Report.
Is that with the cop Tom?

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Cruise yeah, and then they would dream it out, and
then they would use that as thecrime that they did not
pre-commit.
Yeah, they chased Tom Cruisebecause right on his dream so if
you have the dream that youdreamed of killing someone
before you did it, does itbecome that you're actually
going to kill that person?

Speaker 4 (32:34):
well, it wasn't a dream.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
There was what he was to the future but it was the
crimes they were going to commitright yeah, crimes that they
were going to commit that theyhaven't done yet within, like
they haven't done yet, thoughstill before it happened.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Damien, have you seen that movie.
Predestination.
Did not Were you playing withGucci?

Speaker 5 (32:52):
I think it's probably before his time.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
He was hanging out with Gucci.
It was before his time.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Before yeah, before my time, we can Me and?

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Damien have intellectual discussions on that
.
What's up, Damien?
Me and Damien have intellectualdiscussions on that.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
What's up, damien?
The one thing I do got to say,though.
That is a curious thought,because I feel like when people
do bad things that couldactually land them in legal
trouble, such as like jail timeor something, I feel like it's
with most people something thatthey can't forget and it plays
through their mind constantly.
It's like a thought that neverstops.

(33:25):
So say you do go and murdersomeone, right?
Well, usually those people willreplay that event in their head
over and over, and over and over, because while they're thinking
of ways they can twist and bendthe story and they're, you know
, to get it in their ballparktheir brain is never going to
forget that action.
So, with that being said, sayyou had a dream, get recorded

(33:48):
and that's playing over and overin your thoughts.
We could always have a thingwhere they have to do a sleep
study on you.
They can record a dream, pullit off of you, and then where
they're getting all of this, allthese repeated dreams of this
one event happening, becauseyour brain can't stop thinking
of it.
They can probably rightfullycharge you if they have the
suspicion of you doing such acrime, if you were convicted

(34:11):
already.
Right, right.
You would have to have previousevidence on that.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
But I'm not a lawyer.
I talk to lawyers all the timein our business, but I'm not a
lawyer.
But how would that hold up incourt?
I mean, again we come back tois this permissible in court?
I mean, can we actually usethis?
This is built off yoursubconscious mind.
Premeditation yeah, I guesspremeditation.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Just think about it.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
There's nothing illegal about thinking about it.
It's just the action of aboutit.
There's nothing illegal aboutthinking about it, it's just the
action of doing it.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
But we're still talking about the ethical thing
of your thing.
You know it happens.
Let's say, like Damien wassaying, you dreamed about it the
whole nine yards and then, sixmonths down the road, it happens
.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
So then you basically basically, well, on the flip
side of this, you know, thereare clinically diagnosed uh what
, what's the term?
Um?
Psychopaths that are normal,everyday functioning citizens
that don't murder people.

(35:20):
Uh, so just keep that, you know, in your brain you're right you
can't arrest these people forbeing just because they're
psychopaths.
They haven't done anything wrong.
You might think about it allthe time, but just because
someone thinks about it doesn'tmean that they're actually going
to act upon it.
It's that whole intrusivethought thing, you know, like

(35:42):
you're standing next to a fireand you're like, you know, I
kind of want to stick my hand inthat but I did that when I was
a kid just to see if how hot itwas.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
It's just um, you, you know, and, and, and you know
you, you're like god.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Really would like for that person to be gone, but
can't do that because you knowit just gets to the ethical
portion of it and we're talkingabout ethics and the thing.
Eh, you know it's aninteresting conversation,

(36:18):
alright, damien what should wedo next?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
think it's time, guys .
I think it's time for theannual beer testing Edge.
What do you?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
got All right.
So our second beer is anotherSunshine State Berry Sangria
from Island Grove Wine Co.
The brewer described thissaying Aromas of luscious citrus
, flavorful fruit and sweetblueberries will take you

(36:50):
mentally.
This is sangria.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
This is not beer, this is sangria.
Jimmy's on the show and hedrinks sangria and this is
sangria and I just took a bigold sip of it.
It's good.
Yeah, it is good, it's good.
It is good, it's good, it isgood.
It's a little.
I'm sure the ladies like itjimmy, jimmy, it's good pinkies

(37:16):
out oh yeah, you're right withwith the, the long neck and all
yeah, damien, I think we need tohang out and drink real beer.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, yeah, I get some real ones.
Hey, send that shipment overhere.
I got you next Nerds on tap.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Have you ever gone beer drinking with Jimmy guest?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I haven't yet Actually on our.
Christmas party.
I had a blueberry beer and hehad a Roman Coke.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
He's right, I did.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Cause they minco something.
He's right, I did because theyhad no sangria because they had
no sangria.
Actually, I don't think my wifelet me order it to be honest,
actually not bad jimmy, but youknow, drinking beer and then
switching to sangria, this isheadache, central right here,
but I already have one.
So let's get back on topic forour audience.
I'm sorry I got a crazy crew onhere today, but I hope you're
enjoying uh again.
We have mr damien howe and mruh jimmy guest I think that's

(38:13):
his name, right well I was.
I didn't know.
It was mr missus when he'sdrinking sangria.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
But it works, both you know, all right whatever
fits, let's jump into ai tutors.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
So both of my kids have tutors.
Uh, mostly for math, because,god math, have you ever tried to
?
I had to help my kids withtoday's math.
They had to change it and, ohmy god, I had to get them a
tutor because I didn't want todeal with it anymore.
I know right, it's different.
It's not like what we, it's notthe same.
What does they call it?
Common something?
Oh, they call it something.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
And I looked at that and I went you gotta be kidding
me I was learning different thanI was more of the kid who
growing up in school of math, Iwas very avid about not learning
times tables because godinvented a calculator.
Why couldn't I use that?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I got.
I got my calculator taken awayfrom me.
You know, I did too.
You know why?
Why it was on my wrist.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Oh, Casio, Actually I had one, but I never got caught
with it.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Tim Kathleen was telling me about the math
tutoring that your kids go to.
Yeah, there's like a weird nameof a style of math.
It is.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
It's weird.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, I've heard of it.
Don't ask me.
It was like shanghai, yeah,something, yeah, something like
that.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, andthat to me sounds like chinese
math and I don't want to do it,sorry.
Um, so, ai tutors, let's talkabout ai tutors.
If ai tutors personalizededucation for every student

(39:44):
right, which which is kind ofcool, would traditional schools
and universities still have aplace?
Damian, you go first.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I for sure think that teachers and universities and
stuff like that would definitelystill have a place, because
some people don't grasp, even ifit's a personalized thing which
in the future will probably bevery helpful for a lot of people
.
I think a lot of people do need, or it's a necessity for them,
to have that physicalhandholding.
With learning something, itjust comes easier to them if
they have a physical hand thereto teach it to them.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
What if AI keeps getting smarter and smarter, to
where the tone, the everythingabout it, the tone, the grammar,
the everything it's using isjust like a physical person
showing them how it works.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
I mean think of it like think about it, damien,
real quick.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Think about it like what we do.
We're in the cybersecuritybusiness, right, and the bad
actors are using AI to be moresophisticated and mostly to
change the grammar, the tone andthe formatting of their
phishing campaigns.
So it's not like the way itused to be, with a lot of
misspellings and kindly sir, andall that.

(41:01):
Now it sounds like you or me.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Right, yeah, all that now it sounds like you or me,
right, yeah?
And that's totally a goodargument as well, because it's
you know, they'll develop it toa point where it will be
basically like every kid'spersonal teacher that they could
ever wish for.
You know what I mean.
It probably will get to thepoint where it's like, hey, if
this is how you learn, the ai isgoing to do everything like
that and it's going topersonalize it towards you,
which, in that regard, it doesbecome a little scary if you're

(41:28):
in like the teaching business orsomething, because then you're,
you're, uh, you're, you knowyour job is at risk here over an
ai that could potentially knowsignificantly more than you and
tailor towards a student muchmore than you would, because
different personalities, menwith different people.
So if an ai is able to replicateany personality that will mend
yours, then it is.

(41:49):
It's kind of putting all thosekind of things at risk.
So I mean in a way.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, you could do that right now with a lot of
things, everything from avatarsand your video games to make
them more you know, kind of bewho you want them to be to
chatbots, and shoot yourassistant on your phone, whether
it's Siri or Alexa or whateverit is.

(42:16):
You know you can make it sounddifferent.
I mean, I've got the defaultgirl on my phone.
My wife has some sort of sexyaustralian man voice on her
phone which I had to front herout about, but uh, and I have
the indian man there you go.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Oh yeah, he does.
You have leached, you haveleached.
I said what the hell is thiscrap?
Damien, you know it's like hedoes on his voicemail.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
You have, oh yes he does, you have reached you have
leached.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
I'm like what hello?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
hello I am here to help you today and it's because
I, it's because I got to talk toyou.
The bad part is is that half ofit started as a joke but now
that I work in it, a lot ofthese places are outsourced so
they do utilize, like indianfellowship and stuff like that
so the sad thing is I'veactually become accustomed to
like understanding it.
So in a way, yeah, as funny asit is when you hear, keep right

(43:12):
at the fork, you know like thathelps me be like, hey, okay, I
need to be listening to this.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
That's, that's my, that's my man.
I I might have to change mineto that.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
Are you on an apple phone?
Yes, it's on his iphone.
Okay, I think I'm gonna.
I think I'm gonna remind meafter I will change mine.
Good other point, though.
You guys, I'll bring anotherphilosophical point.
Think about, like some of thelatest movies and the latest tv
shows.
The one that really got merecently was cobra kai, where
they did the last episode wherethey bought pat me I don't

(43:42):
misspell his name, but theybrought back him as an ai oh and
they did, yeah, they uh, yeahit just deep fake, deep fake,
but still, yeah, he looked, soI've seen that in a couple
things.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, that's, that's one of them.
And still, he definitely.
What was the other one?
There was another one with ayounger version of the person,
but it still had a funky butthere's some good ones on movies
now no, it looked great, but itdid have a.
Yeah, they used it soextensively in cobra kai because
they had to create, recreatethat it was johnny.

(44:15):
It was johnny, yeah it was.
It was a little weird.
It was almost not.
I mean, it looked real but itdidn't look like the young,
totally right, younger versionof himself.
They did it with paul walkerand fast paul workers.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
The one was, uh, star wars rogue one, peter call.
I think peter calls his namethe actor.
He's been dead for years andthey brought him back and they
look pretty real yeah well, Isaw it in another.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Another show I watched recently, or a movie I
watched recently, it was a uhremake, or it was a part two
where they brought back theyounger, or the history of the
younger versions of themselves.
I think it was brad pitt, Idon't remember anyway.
So could ai.
So let's stay on ai.

(45:01):
Could ai driven learning helpclose education gaps, sure?
Or would it widen the dividebetween those who have access
and those who don't?
Again, we're on that same thingwhere neuro yes or no?
ai, yes or no, I like it.
If you embrace ai and you useit as an assistant for

(45:22):
productivity, it's great, it'sgreat.
But when bad actors use it toexpedite, uh like in in our, in
our neck of the woods, you know,with cyber security, hacking a
network, it makes it a littleguessing stuff like well,
they're having more luck with itright, come on, guys talk up

(45:45):
then for the little, the littlecredit card machine that john
connor Talk with it.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Right, come on, guys.
Talk up Then for the littlecredit card machine that John
Connor put in the ATM to guessthe pin code is not a fake thing
anymore.
Yeah, that is true.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, true, yeah, I mean, the main thing is with
that question is that it reallycomes down to whether you're
going to have it or whether youwon't.
You know, because I feel likethe people that will have it,
that decide to take fulladvantage, yeah, they probably
will end up being much moreintelligent and have a lot less
holes in their, in their thoughtprocess than someone who

(46:18):
doesn't or someone who's againstit.
So, with that being said, Ithink that these AI systems
would be pretty, pretty well,well off.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Do you think educators are going to be
against it or for it?
I mean, think about it.
Are their jobs?
In jeopardy I mean, would theystill be needed?
What's the goal there?
Is it again to assist them tobe able to augment?
In my opinion, you're stillgoing to need the educators.
Use the AI to augment what theycan do, so it makes them more

(46:48):
powerful as an educator.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Right, Because I mean , in a way, you're going to have
teachers that are moreefficient with their teachings
with certain students, but withother people they might not be
able to mend as well.
So that's one of those casescenarios where, if they do have
an AI assistant to kind of helpthem out, it can guide them as
a instructor on how to instructthis person better.
You know what I mean, but inother ways that's just a that's

(47:15):
just a hard question, man.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
But are are kids going to rely on it too much and
is it going to change liketheir critical thinking skills,
I mean, is it going to is itgoing to?
Is gonna is?
Is it gonna diminish that?
Because I mean, now they'rerelying on it so much.
It's kind of like relying on acalculator versus long form
mathematics, correct?

Speaker 5 (47:35):
so in theory that would be correct.
I mean, you would change thedynamics of how they learn and
how they're thinking.
So think about it logistically.
If you change, if you givesomeone the ability to do that,
now that human interaction isnow gone, there's a lot of more
philosophical things to talkabout on that.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I mean, it's a very good point and a question all
the same thing one of thoseright, and that's one of those
things where it definitely couldpresent itself as almost not
helpful to a person because, ina way, yeah, they can get it
done, but is it actually helpingthem learn?
And, you know, grow as a person?
Because, you know, coming fromsomeone who was in high school,

(48:16):
during the covet event, which weall know, a lot of people
started relying on things likephoto math and stuff like that.
Which does?
It uses AI to interpret certainproblems and solve them.
And then, yeah, it does, ittells you how to do it and
everything, but most people arejust going to use that for an
answer.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
They're not going to directly use that for knowledge,
to teach themselves how to doit, yeah, right, so so, um, I'm
going to keep switching gearshere, guys, because we've got a
lot of topics to cover.
We're getting through it.
I've got two questions on thisnext topic.
Okay, we're going to talk aboutclimate control.
Right, climate control.
I mean sure, we have nests orwhatever it is in our house.

(48:56):
We can control them through ourphones and whatever.
But what if we had Damien?
What if we had technologycapable of controlling the
weather, not the climate withinyour house, but the weather?
How would countries use it forpolitical or economic power?
Think about that.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
If you could hack the weather, so that is actually a
great question, because nowyou're leading down the rabbit
hole of certain countries.
If they were, it kind ofdepends because you know, say
their power first is only theyhave the ability to control the
weather within their country,but say, then we have cyber

(49:36):
attacks that lead to now you cancontrol the United States
weather and you're in RussiaRight, because it's kind of like
when people were thinkingHurricane Milton was man-made,
you know what I mean.
That could be some sort ofattack, because they could then
develop some crazy cat-six stormthat wipes off a whole state

(49:56):
just because of some politicalmovement.
But it could also be a goodthing because it could bring
profits to a country.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Or you could prevent a hurricane as well.
I mean by controlling theweather no-transcript.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Hey, they're gonna overtake your weather net.
Then your country is going tobe kind of screwed yeah, I mean
that's interesting, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
I mean if you could control the weather and you
could change the climate in, say, the Midwest, where we have a
lot of wind power turbines andthe wind stops.
I mean, if you think about thatfrom a hacking aspect, I mean I

(51:00):
always come down to thesecurity aspects of it, right,
because of the business we're incybersecurity.
I always come down to thesecurity aspects of it, right,
because of the business we're incybersecurity Right, if you
could hack the weather and youcould turn off wind in areas of
the United States where all theturbines are, which are out in
the Midwest New Mexico, colorado, you know all those states and

(51:21):
you could, I mean, think aboutthat.
You could turn off the sunshinein the areas that the data
centers use for solar to augmenttheir power for those data
centers.
Crash them, yeah.
And I mean, what are some otherimplications?
Can you think of some otherweather implications?

Speaker 4 (51:42):
You could just willy-nilly jack the temperature
up to 200 degrees outside ohgod, I didn't even think of that
so or negative 100 degreesoutside, or something like that
you could fry people's brains.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
So think about I mean this gets into another
political discussion, butthere's already supposed to be
such a thing called darpa, whichis in in Alaska.
Look it up.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
All right, on that note, we're going to end on that
.
We're going to dive right in todeep space colonization.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
So if humanity established permanent colonies I
mean, we've been talking aboutthis for years and years we
talked originally about the moonand colonizing our moon, which
is basically just a rock, we'retalking about Mars.
I mean, that's where Elon Muskhas taken us If humanity
established permanent colonieson other planets, how do you
think society and culture wouldevolve differently from Earth?

Speaker 5 (52:39):
It's a whole different.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Would we look up there?
You know I'm thinking abouttaking a trip.
I mean, it's just a two-hourflight.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I mean you would change.
There would be differentcolonization, there would be
different structures ofgovernment, structures of people
who are living the whole nineyards.
It's really I mean I don't wantto get in the movie but for the
, I mean we talk about thepeople on earth looking up and
going.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
You know I can't afford it, but I'd wish to go up
there one day.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
They got it made yeah .

Speaker 1 (53:13):
But then you got the people that are up there.
What are the psychological andsocial challenges that they're
dealing with in deep space?
I mean, think about thatCompletely.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
I mean, think about that Completely different
environment we go from weather.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
All these weather.
I mean, what is the weather upthere?

Speaker 5 (53:30):
Negative 1,000 in the sunlight.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
you know, damien do you want to live up there?
You know, that's when it getsto a crazy question, because
then you're moving on.
Different social groups mightgo to different places depending
on what they believe in.
Kind of like Jimmy was sayingyou, you know, you get in a hole
, there's going to be differentgovernments and stuff like that.
I feel like it could be reallyinteresting, because then you're

(53:52):
getting like intergalactic oh,yeah, you know well, yeah, I
mean who.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Who is the government ?
Is it?
Is it a who colonized it first?
Well, where's the ai?
Oh, is?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
is AI the government in that range?
Who did it?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
first, I think there would be like a Space Force
government, that is, maybe, youknow, not just our country, but
multiple countries that cometogether, and then there's one
individual from each that sitson a board.

(54:31):
Similar to politics ourgovernment, our Congress.
You know you'd have all thatstructured, but it wouldn't be
from one country.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
United Federation of Planets.
What do you all think mean?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
it's an interesting thought because yeah, then in a
way the original planet, so usas earth, we could still retain
control of all these otherplanets and it would still be
like a measured thing.
But I mean, if some crazy stuffhappened, you you have, you
know, space Hitler, then thenyou're getting into some real

(55:08):
interesting sauce there.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah.
So what is the divide there inregards to inequality?
I mean, you've got earthboundpeople that are still on earth
and then you've gotinterplanetary citizens, if you
will right, that are up there.
You know, one's jealous of theother.
You know, I don't know how thatwould, how that would play out,

(55:30):
but would it lead to a new kindof inequality?
Is, I guess, what I'm gettingat?

Speaker 5 (55:36):
sure what if they find some other civilization or
other race or something thatlives on another planet and they
align themselves with that andgoes, I mean you could say that
all day.
I mean it's, it's a definitelya theory to think about that if
you have that so I, I I task youwith one question, damien what
would make you leave earth?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
what would make me leave earth if we had a honestly
, if we had an entire worldleader that controlled every
country.
So take out the countries outof the picture, take out all of
our separate governments.
If we just had one leader andit became like a communism of a
sort of deal, a communist deal,I'd be out of here, I'd be in
Mars.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
There you go.
What about you?

Speaker 5 (56:20):
JP Total cataclysm.
What A total cataclysm.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
All right.
For me it would just beadventure.

Speaker 5 (56:29):
That's true.
I guess I could see that allright.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
So, staying on interplanetary topic, it's going
to be our last topic of the dayand we're going to drill right
through it.
Uh, we're going to talk aboutinterplanetary internet, but
first tim edge.
Tim Edge, what's our last beer?

Speaker 4 (56:48):
All right guys.
So our very last beer is theCarlsberg Pilsner.
This one's for you Shoop, it'sa Danish.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Finally a decent freaking drink my gosh.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
So this is from the Carlsberg Danmark Brewer.
Their quote on this beer is itwas re-brewed for 2019.
New Carlsberg Danish Pilsner.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
You don't like it, do you Jim?
Oh, it's great, I like it.
It's really awesome.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
With smooth, full mouthfeel and a perfect balance
of bitterness and sweetness.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
The problem I'm having with it, though I was
looking forward to this one.
The problem I'm having with it,though I was looking forward to
this one.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
The problem I'm having with it is I still got a
little bit of sangria in theback of my mouth that won't go
away, oh but sangria is great,we do a land shark, he's downing
some land sharks over thereShout out to land sharks.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
What's with all the empty bottles in the back?
When did you start, Mr Howe?

Speaker 4 (57:45):
He just recently turned 21.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
Oh, you're 21, yeah wow, I remember those days, I
remember that time cool, let's I.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
So, uh, damien, how, why don't you go ahead and uh
lead us into the next question?
Uh tell us about isa cards oror scott.
Well, if you don't know that,let's talk about scuzzy, go
ahead and tell us about USAcards or or Scott.
Well if you don't know that,let's talk about Scuzzy.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
Go ahead and tell us about Scuzzy cards um, never
mind talk about talk about isacards yes, these are legacy,
these are legacy devices.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
So we're, we're killing you, man hey, I heard
scuzzy and a plus, but that'sabout as far as it goes.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
It's all good, used to be used to be the king of the
crop when it came to bandwidth.
So, uh, we're gonna talk aboutinterplanetary internet guys and
we're gonna, we're gonna, andwe're gonna finish this off.
And then we're going to finishthis off, and then we're going
to hit you with some rapid-firequestions, mr Howell.
So you better get ready.
Actually, I'm going to let ourspecial guest, jimmy, hit you
with those questions and he'sgoing to hit you with some

(58:49):
questions too.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
What's that?
He's also going to hit you withsome questions.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Oh crap.
All right interplanetaryinternet so let's stay on the
questions away.
Let me see.
I need to see him see what I'mkidding, it fell down.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
I'm sorry if the internet.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
This is a wonderful.
I love this topic.
This is so killer.
If the internet expanded intospace, right?
How would that changecommunication between planets?
Could it work in real time?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
uh, some brain juice I think honestly, yeah, it would
work in real time because, kindof like you know, I mean, we've
gotten to the point where wehave fiber optic, right, fiber
optic in itself is ungodly fastand we never thought we were
going to get anything this fast.
So, honestly, if we're talkingabout like an interplanetary
internet, I think at some pointor another we'll be able to just

(59:44):
transfer internet over likestraight up waves that can
travel at the speed of light.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
And then we're talking about I don't know man,
I think we're talking aboutplaces can communicate pretty
quick so, using existingtechnology, I would see a series
of satellites that are placedin low space, deep space and at

(01:00:10):
different lengths, kind of likerepeaters to eliminate
attenuation, similar to ourpower poles on the streets.
I mean, when you look up at apower pole, it's got a
transformer on it that amplifiesa signal, repeats it to the

(01:00:32):
next pole, amplifies a signal,repeats it to the next pole.
That way when your waveformgets smaller, it gets bigger
every time it hits the next pole, amplifies the signal, repeats
it to the next pole.
That way, when your waveformgets smaller, it gets bigger
every time it hits thosetransformers and then it
attenuates and then it getsbigger again.
So I see it, I mean usingcurrent technology.
Obviously they're going todevelop something new.
We're going to be talking aboutfusion and all this stuff

(01:00:53):
that's probably going to open upentire new worlds.
But with existing technology Isee layered satellites that can
relay that.
You'd have to have a thousand,probably several thousand, but
you'd have to have them not justin one direction.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
The cost.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
To do that would be Line of sight.
That's why I don't see it anyany time in our lifetimes.
But if damien's right and wecould blast a signal from his
house to that's, that's it'sgotta, I don't know, but but go

(01:01:35):
ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
That's a good one, though, because, think about it,
for, let's say, light, right,the speed of light.
It takes a ray of light 1.26seconds to come from earth to
the moon, so when you're addingthat no, that's off the head.
Knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
But to your point, you would almost need like a
repeater system or like a gridin the space, because if you
want to reduce that time we'retalking about just from here to
the mood is going to be a secondand a half right.
So if you're talking, we'retalking to another galaxy.
You're talking.
It could take 15, 20 minutes inreal time for us to actually

(01:02:20):
get that communication.
But if you had a repeatingsystem throughout that, then it
could make it instantaneous.
But to your point, the costwould be so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
So we're talking about a universal network here,
right?
We're talking about somethingthat blasts entirely through
space, which is kind of abnormal.
I mean, it's just like yourhouse.
I mean you've got Internet allover the world, but you've got
to bring it into your house fromthe street.
You've got to pay a price forit, right, right.
So we're blasting it, andthere's all kinds of

(01:02:48):
technological challenges thatcome with blasting it from one
place and getting it all overand bouncing it Plus the cost.
So would space colonies havetheir own separate Internet
systems or would they be part ofa universal network?
Or what I see is having spacecolony Internets, right, that

(01:03:13):
are localized, but connectingeach one of those and bouncing
them to the next colony so thosecould communicate.
I mean, that's how the internetstarted back in the day.
It started with libraries,municipalities, police stations,
fire departments, all thenecessary emergency response

(01:03:35):
that we needed.
So those were all connectedfirst and it didn't come until
we, you know right, we had awise idea to go ahead and extend
it, uh, past the government,past municipalities, to the, the
, the everyday person in theirhome all right, so hear me out

(01:03:55):
on this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
This just coming from networking fundamentals, I
could foresee them creatingsomething and I'm just going to
coin another phrase here plan p,l, p l l a n planetary local
area network.
So think of it, think of itlike a normal land compared to a

(01:04:21):
wan, but now you have multiple,multiple wans and all this kind
of stuff.
So if you're in abc, galaxy, um, your planet or whatever might
have its own planetary network,but any kind of information,

(01:04:41):
website, communication, whateverthat is outside of your planet
then leaves your planet goes tothe next router, dns server,
whatever for the other planthat's out there, but anything
local stays inside your planet.
Okay, you know, it's kind oflike doing a dns check or

(01:05:05):
whatever.
You look to see if your serveralready knows what it is, and if
it does, it just goes ahead andsends it out there, but if it
doesn't, you get a 404 error.
It reaches out to the internetand so forth.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Planet not found.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
The planets will be able to have faster speeds in
response with looking at things,but you're not sending all
traffic in the entire worldoutside of the planet to request
information.
That's the only way that Icould see it is separating the
planets or galaxies, or whateveryou want to call it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Fascinating.
It's really interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
You don't think we'd ever hit the ipv6 women oh,
we'll be at like ipv30 orsomething like that by that time
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
It makes me wonder you know when, when we get to
that point, you know just allthe opportunities it's going to
create for jobs to?
I mean, you're going to have.
It's kind of like you've gotfolks that go offshore now to do
things in the middle of theocean.
You've got.
You've got all these crazy jobs.

(01:06:09):
I got a, you know, I got a.
I got to head up to Mars.
I got a.
I'm hanging some.
I'm hanging some access points.
Uh, I'm putting in I'm puttingup some poles.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
I gotta I gotta line of sight, I gotta line of sight
wi-fi.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
You know I've got to get installed, so you know set
up my quantum bridge yeah, yep,all right.
So my last question before weget into the rapid firefire
round and close out for today.
And again, thank you guys forcoming on.
Jimmy, thank you for travelingseven hours to be in our studio,
and Damian, I know it's beenyour lifelong quest to be on

(01:06:49):
Nerds on Tap.
Tell all your friends Iappreciate you being here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
I will.
Some of them already know thatare at DB.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Are they going to listen?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
they gonna oh yeah, are you guys gonna go out
partying and go?
Hey man, you gotta listen tothis.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
I'm on this show yeah , I'll be like hey guys,
remember, copy, link, share.
You know what you should dosubscribe.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
You should call me while they're in there listening
, so I can.
So I can hop on thespeakerphone in the car and go
hey guys, yeah, he does have meon speed dial, you're, he's a
special guy.
Um, I'm kidding, I don't knowwhy I said that uh so I bring
everything back to cybersecurity, because you know,
security is the main thing, thatwe should always be focused on

(01:07:31):
privacy and security.
How would cyber threats evolvein a world where the Internet
spans across planets?
Could space hacking become areal concern?
Go?

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
It could for the whole transmitting and receiving
of the data between the planets.
How is the mechanism gettingbetween those two so they could
hack that mechanism of the datathat's being received to the
other side?
You?

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
could cut off communication to the other
planet, you know, and datacommunication that they might
rely on and think about this inthe future, because data
communication is going to driveai, it's going to drive robotics
, it's going to drive updates,patches, all those things within
that planet.
If you can cut an entire planetoff, I mean that's kind of like

(01:08:18):
, uh, our interconnects that uhuh run under the ocean.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
It's about to say undersea, and what?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
happened recently with the chinese ship that
scraped the anchor and cut thecable twice not once, but twice.
I mean, think about that.
That wasn't an accident now,and it was to cut the internet
between countries so I mean I'm,I'm gonna say this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
This is what I tell people that ask me about cyber
security.
Like for your question,awareness is if hackers want
information, it doesn't matterwhat you put in place, they will
find a way.
All that really matters is whatrisks are you willing to take

(01:09:09):
to benefit from whatevertechnology you're going to use?
A lot of people tell me don'tuse these apps or don't use an
Android phone or whatever,because the government's going
to steal your information.
And here I am thinking theyprobably already have all of my
information.
I'm like what does it reallymatter to me?

(01:09:31):
I'm not doing anything illegal.
I'm not.
You know, I don't have anythingto worry about.
Uh, but you have those peoplethat are legitimately worried
that every time they use theircredit card, you know that's
collecting data that google isgoing to use against you.
You know, whatever it might be.
So it comes down to what kindof risks are you willing to

(01:09:53):
accept to benefit from whateveryou're trying to achieve?
So as long as things will bedigital, there will always be a
risk associated with absolutelyyeah, as long as we're
interconnected, there's alwaysgoing to be a bad actor.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Okay, all right.
I mean all right, go ahead, yougot something to say?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
I just, I was just thinking that whole topic just
led me on like you're almostgetting to the point where
that's like a new type ofterrorist attack, almost because
, think of it, if a planet isrelying on technology to make it
habitable because a lot ofthese planets aren't, a lot of
these planets are inhabitable tomost people if you're relying
on technology to keep all thesepeople alive and keep them able

(01:10:38):
to live on this planet, andsomeone hacks in and takes their
communications and they're ableto hack all their systems that
control everything that make ita livable planet, it's going to
be crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
They can kill everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
They can straight up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
So so that that you love that topic right, because
it was a replication of your,your, your exotic dream you had.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
I don't know.
I don't know if the fragmentsof aligned in that field.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I'm just picturing you riding on a rocket traveling
through space, you know not, onthe in the inside of a rocket
hanging on to a rocket travelingthrough space and hanging.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
Hanging access points like slim pickings in the movie
you know uh, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
So, ladies and gentlemen, we, uh, we, really
appreciate it.
We are going to concludetoday's show, uh, with our rapid
fire questions.
I have not heard thesequestions yet.
Normally I do.
I'm a little nervous about this.
Apparently, our special guest,j guest, jimmy Guest, wrote some
rapid-fire questions for bothme and Damien.

(01:11:40):
Go ahead, jimmy.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
Mr Shoup, if you could control one device with
just your thoughts, what wouldit be?

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
One device with just my thoughts.
What would it be?
Yes, go, just my thoughts.
What would it be, yes, go.
Uh well, honestly, the device Iuse the most every single day,
throughout the day, is my phone.
So if I could control my phonewith just my thoughts, I

(01:12:10):
wouldn't I would never have toremove it from my pocket.
Damien Good answer Is that forDamien too?
Nope, nope.

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
Uh-oh, I have some more for Mr Howell.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Are you ready?

Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
You should ask him about his exotic dream, Mr
Howell would you rather step onone giant yard rake once or an
endless field of tiny rakes?

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Oh, my God, I can't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
You just asked that question.
So to to my experience, I don'tlisten.
Guys.
If it's a smaller rake we'retalking it might not hit my face
because I I'm a bit.
I'm a bit taller and, due tothe previous Nerds on Tap delays
, I think that Tim would evenappreciate if it was a smaller
rake, just because of my face.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
So what are you telling our?

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
audience.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Why were there?

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
delays.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
So, guys, if you're not aware, I got smacked in the
face by a rake and it blew anabscess in my face and I had pus
filling up into my eye, oh godso yes, he sent pictures you
just, you just put him on thespot on air, and now it's gonna
be in this, but we're not done.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you, are you okay with this
day, man?
Because I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
I don't come on the show to embarrass more questions
.
Mr shoop, what's one superpoweryou love to unlock through
genetic modification?

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
what one superpower I love to you would love to
unlock through geneticmodification Shoot.
I mean, who wouldn't want?
Oh my God, I'd want to leap atall building.
That's a good answer.
I mean, who wouldn't want to?
No, I'd want to fly.
You want to fly.

(01:14:08):
I'd want to be able to fly LikeSuperman.
I'd want to be able to fly downthe Lakeland without having to
hop on an airplane.
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
So, keeping with that , mr Howe, on our topics that
we've been, if yard rakes weresentient and seeking revenge,
what's the first thing you'd say?
To negotiate peace.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
First thing I would say to negotiate peace, there
would be no negotiation.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
I would pull a chainsaw out and do the same
thing they did to me oh mygoodness, very interesting well
you're hitting him with a lot ofrake questions, that's I don't
know how I feel about that,damien, I mean mr ship, if
weather control tech was real,what's one climate rule you

(01:14:57):
would enforce globally?
I'd stop hurricanes in thesoutheast because that's where I
live and every few yearssomething happens to my house.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
All right, that's a good answer I like that.
So, mr Howell, this is actuallya serious one.
Okay, back on the same topic.
Would you rather step on a yardrake once a year, god, but
never know when, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Or once a day, but always at 3 pm go um, most
definitely once a year, I justdon't know when yeah, if you did
it every day at 3 pm, thatwould be like what's the gopher
movie Caddyshack?

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
No, not Caddyshack.
Which one Groundhog Day.
Groundhog Day it's not a gopherCaddyshack.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
Same actor, Bill Murray.
Hey, I make up my own words.
Got it All right, so are weready for the next one?
All right, let's go.
If space food became a thing onEarth, what futuristic meal
would you want to try?

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Well, when I was a child we took our.
I lived in Maryland, we tookour field trips to the
Smithsonian and I always lovedthe space, air and Space Museum.
We would have been friends.
Yeah, space, space and I alwayscame home with a bag of space
ice cream space ice cream.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
Yes, that would happen at our museum here in
tampa, which was called themuseum of science industry.
Very good answer.
All right, mr damien, quick,quick, quick question, but I I
didn't actually like it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
It was good, but I always made improvements.

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
All right, damien.
Back to back to the topic here.
Hannah, right ready if you hadto design an anti-yard rake
defense system oh my god.
What's your first invention,sir?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
go ahead so I'm gonna make shoes that actually don't
utilize like a straight, solidsole.
Like most shoes, I'm gonna useone that has like, uh,
interconnected like toes.
So if I step, I step, I stepbetween the yard rake and then I
completely avoid it.
That would be my defense system.
Is that I just very good answer.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
Now, when could you have that?
Could you have that?
Uh, you know, patented and outvery soon, or so the next
episode you won't miss becauseof that right yeah, 3d printing,
it got it, so I got all right.
More rapid fire questions.
Mr shoop, would you rather livein a world where no one could
lie, or would you where you canhear everyone's thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
oh, that's a tough one.
That's like that mel gibsonmovie where you heard what women
want.
You know every movie, don't you?
I do ever I mean, I think itwould be where no one could lie.
Um, honestly, because I I thinkabout it.

(01:17:51):
I'm sure I would love to heareverybody's thoughts, but I a I
think it would drive me crazybecause that would override and
it would crowd your brainbecause you're going to hear
them even when you don't want tohear them.
See, there's no, no privacy.
No, you know, no solidarity.
Um, plus, you're going to hearthings you don't want to
freaking hear and it can ruinthe relationship.

(01:18:13):
Second, lies I can't stand aliar.
Right, can't stand a liar, uh,can't.
There's two things I don't likein life thieves and liars, and
I don't know which one I likeworse, but I hate both of them
so we're going to answer movieliar liar with jim carrey and
not what women want with melgibson.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
With Mel Gibson.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Alrighty, then.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
Alright, so this is for both of you.
Alrighty then.
Alrighty then Alright, so thisis for both of you, and it
doesn't involve yard rakes.
If robots could replace onechore for you permanently, which
one are you giving up first?
Raking a yard, mr Howe.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Wiping at counters, breaking a yard, mr Howe.

Speaker 5 (01:18:59):
Wiping at counters.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I hate wiping counters.
Fun fact, mr Shoop.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Oh, say it again.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
What's the question?
If robots could replace onechore for you permanently, which
one are you giving up first?
Which chore are you giving upfirst?
If robots could replace onechore for you permanently, which
one are you giving up first?
Which chore are you giving upfirst if robots can replace them
all?

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
in yard rakes are taken yeah, no, that's I would
say.
You know what I know?
Autonomous cars are coming, oh,they're coming.
But if robots came beforeautonomous cars, I would want a

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robot to drive my car for me andgo for me around.

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
Good answer.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
So that's all.
Autonomous cars alreadyactually exist and actually, if
you watched silicon valley, inone of the episode one of the
episodes where he, theautonomous car, drives him onto
a ship- right reroutes his gps,drives him onto a ship, into a
storage container and takes himto an island right waymu has

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those cars now too, but that'sanother.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
It was so funny so that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
If you haven't watched that damien tune in,
it's from years ago but it'sstill on valley.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
It's relevant, it's such a good show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
It's called silicon valley, say less.
I'll check it out.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we conclude another episode of
nerds on tap.
I want to thank our guest,damian how, for joining us
virtually, uh, through the thingwe call the internet.
Uh, he joined us on the line ifyou haven't watched the

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internship, you know what thatmeans.
And our special guest whopopped into our studio he
actually drove up here, I think,seven hours to come visit us.
Mr jimmy, guest and uh, tune into the next episode of nerds on
tap, where we'll be talkingabout something fascinating
regarding entrepreneurship,business and a good fusion of

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technology.
So cheers, cheers cheers,cheers.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
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