WHAT IF: Wireless Electricity and the Future with Sam the IT Guy

What if wireless electricity could revolutionize the way we live? Join me, Tim Shoop, and our special guest, Sam the IT guy, as we explore this groundbreaking concept in our thrilling episode of Nerds on Tap. We kick things off with a taste test of Hofbrau Original Helles-style beer, sharing our unfiltered impressions before diving into the electrifying topic of the day. Together, we unravel the intricate possibilities and hurdles of wireless electricity, drawing fascinating parallels to the internet's infrastructure and discussing how this technology could transform our homes and daily lives.

Imagine walking into a room where devices power up effortlessly, no cords or outlets required. We brainstorm how wireless electricity could eliminate the need for traditional wiring and explore its potential to revolutionize everything from household appliances to electric vehicles. Our conversation takes a futuristic turn as we ponder AI personal assistants that anticipate our needs, blending convenience with privacy concerns, and drawing inspiration from sci-fi classics like Fallout and Cyberpunk. This episode promises to stretch your imagination while grounding the discussion in real-world technological trends and challenges.

Finally, we take a critical look at autonomous vehicles and their broader impact on society. From the elimination of DUIs to the potential cyber threats, we cover the full spectrum of benefits and risks. We also don't shy away from debating the design and tech specs of Tesla's Cybertruck, contemplating the economic ripple effects on industries like transportation and car insurance. To top it all off, we toast to Sam the IT guy's recent internet fame with Founder's All Day IPA. So, tune in for a nerdy adventure filled with beer, tech, and futuristic visions that might just be around the corner!

This Episode's Beers:
HOFBRÄU Original Helles Style beer
Brewery Munich | Hofbräu München (hofbraeu-muenchen.de)

Sam Adams Boston Lager
For The Love Of Beer | Samuel Adams

Sam Adams Holiday White Ale
For The Love Of Beer | Samuel Adams

All Day IPA, Session IPA
Founders Brewery - Founders Brewing Company

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Episode Transcript

Tim Shoop (00:07):
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Nerds on
Tap, the podcast where we geekout over a pint or a flight and
ponder the possibilities offuture tech.
I'm your host, Tim Shoop, andfor those that know me, they
call me Shoop Dog, a tag thatstarted when I served in the
United States Navy way backyonder, so something y'all

(00:29):
didn't know about me.
As you know, we always bringspecial guests on the show, but
today we are starting a newseries called what If?
Where I'll be exploringemerging technologies that might
reshape our world in the nearfuture.
Very exciting stuff, oh,absolutely.
And for this series we'rebringing on Sam the IT guy.

(00:49):
Now, unless you've been livingunder a rock, you may have seen
the video that's been heavilycirculating on social media,
youtube and Hulu, called chaosto calm, where the star of that
show is Sam the IT guy.
A little about Sam.
He worked for a companyactually the company in the

(01:10):
video as their IT guy, he wasunderpaid and overworked and the
staff was so demanding on himhe actually started to see them
as zombies.
That is until Digital Boardwalkcame to the rescue.
And, of course, digitalBoardwalk is our major sponsor
for Nerds on Tap.
Digital Boardwalk is anationally recognized managed IT

(01:34):
services firm located inPensacola, Florida, and they
will take your company fromchaos to calm when it comes to
cloud management, cybersecurity,it and anything technology
related.
So now Sam today enjoys a verycalm life with our help,

(01:54):
co-managing that company.
If you haven't seen it, you canalso go to Digital Boardwalk TV
on YouTube to check it out.
It's pretty funny.
So welcome to the show, sam.
Thanks for having me.
It's great.
Are you ready to throw yourmind at the first episode of
what Ifs and get our audiencethinking about what the future
might look like for all of us?

Sam The IT Guy (02:13):
Oh, I am so excited to dive through the
possibilities.
Yeah, oh, yes.

Tim Shoop (02:19):
All right.
So, for those of you whohaven't tuned in before, and for
you, sam the IT guy, for thoseof you who haven't tuned in
before, and for you, sam the ITguy, we always start the show
off with our first beer tasting,so today we have Deaves

(02:45):
producing the Deaves, excuse me,deaves, take it away.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcometo Nerds on Tap.
I'm your host, Tim Shoop, and Icouldn't be more excited to
embark on this nerdy adventurewith all of you.

Deaves (02:57):
So grab your favorite brew because things are about to
get exciting.
Three, two, one go.
Okay, so our first beer fortoday is our Hofbrau Original
Helle-style beer.
This comes from Hofbrau Breweryin Munich, germany, and its
description has always been toldas a luminous golden yellow
with foamy white crown, slightlymalty fully bodied, mature and

(03:22):
with an elegant finish.

Tim Shoop (03:23):
All right, finish, all right.
I am gonna turn my phone offbecause our receptionist is
calling me right in the middleof the show.
No, all right, let's give it ataste.
Absolutely, yeah.
So this, this is one of myfavorites to keep in my beverage

(03:43):
cooler at home.
It reminds me of Germany.
It's got a nice weedy hop to it.
A lot of German beers have thatvice that wheat kind of flavor.
This brings a little bit ofthat to it.
What are you getting out of it?

Sam The IT Guy (04:03):
I am getting alcohol out of it okay, sam, the
it guy likes alcohol.

Tim Shoop (04:09):
The deeves, what do you think?

Deaves (04:13):
it's definitely a keeper .
I might have to put this one onmy on my daily drinking list
all right.

Tim Shoop (04:18):
So although we like beer, on this the show is about
technology and entrepreneurs andbusiness.
Today, it will be alltechnology.
So let's everybody sit back,grab your favorite brew, settle
in and let's unleash ourimaginations.
It's time to ask what if?

(04:43):
So, first up, let's talk aboutthe possibility.
Now, this is something thatI've always wanted, now, and and
I understand the intricaciesand and and and problems that
can arise in trying to developthis type of technology um, now,
this, this, this, uh uh goesall the way back to, of course,

(05:06):
thomas edison and tesla, but Imean, that's the origin, the
origination, the origin ofelectricity, right?
So?
So what about wirelesselectricity?
So, sam, what if you couldcharge your devices just by
walking into a room?
Imagine a world where tangledcords and chargers are a thing

(05:29):
of the past.
What do you think?

Sam The IT Guy (05:31):
that would be wonderful.
Uh, there's obviously concernsthat pop up like immediately.
Uh, because if I wanted to walkinto a room to just charge my
phone?
Uh, what if I have a pacemaker?

Tim Shoop (05:43):
yeah okay yeah, so safety concerns right you're
hitting on the safety 100.
So wow, okay, that's just.
That's like going through ametal detector at the airport.

Sam The IT Guy (05:56):
Right, exactly so, and as someone who uh, when
I was a child stuck enough forksin uh light sockets I know, uh,
electricity ain't fun.
So that one, I guess the waythey would have to to do the
wireless electricity they wouldhave to have some kind of
receivers, right like itwouldn't be able to just be like
hey, I've, I've walked into anarea of electricity, I'm lit up

(06:18):
now well, let's talk about that.

Tim Shoop (06:20):
So obviously, you have, you have it, you're still
going to have a grid.
It's just like the internetwith the internet you have, you
have it, you're, you're stillgoing to have a grid.
It's just like the internetwith the internet you have, you
have, you have a grid, right,you have.
You have repeaters, you have,you have routers, you have
repeaters.
You have a network of networksbuilt around the entire world,
but there are hubs right.

(06:41):
Um, major points, where, wherethose signals um um originate
and bounce right so.
So with electricity you havepower poles, right, right, or
it's underground in some places,but power poles, and you have
repeaters on this, those bigtransformers.
That's basically what it doesthe signal attenuates, it gets

(07:02):
smaller right before it gets tothe next pole, and then the next
pole blows it up and makes itbigger, and so on and so forth.
Okay, so that's how theinternet works in in a very
similar fashion.
So let's talk about that.
Once it gets to your house nowI'm talking about wireless
electricity in your home, I'mnot talking about out on the

(07:23):
grid that would be a wholenightmare.
I mean, we'd have shit We'dhave, we'd have things falling
out of the sky.
I think I don't.
But when it comes to your house.
So once it gets to your house,couldn't it be treated with a
transmitter similar to awireless access point in

(07:44):
computer networking?
I mean, when we deliver Wi-Fito a house, what do you have?
You have a router, maybe it's awireless router, and you might
have APs hanging around, exactly.
So dive in, tell me from Samthe IT guy's perspective, geek
out on it for a minute and giveme what you got, and, deves,
feel free to chime in as well,right?

Sam The IT Guy (08:05):
Now I will admit I do know we have a little bit
of historical references towireless electricity.
I know you mentioned earlierNikolai Tesla and now, granted,
I got these from like someconspiracy theory documentaries
that are fun because I reallyjust like to see where that goes
, because it's always and I meanalways a rabbit hole, okay, uh.

(08:28):
So from my understanding it wasearly 1900s, uh, that nikola
tesla was actually doing thatwireless electricity.
Um, he had these big towers,which I'm assuming would be your
, your, transformers, and heused the actual earth, like the
ground, to ground theelectricity to actually build
the wireless electricity, liketo actually be broadcast.

(08:51):
Now, its efficacy was only up toabout 2,000 feet, like just
under 600 meters, okay, and thenit just kind of falled off and
fizzled out.
So I'm assuming in this case itwould be something similar
that's coming into the house.
So I guess actually youwouldn't really notice, right,
because I figured during thedevelopment of the technology
you would have whatever receiver, that you would need a repeater

(09:13):
attached to the house and thenhooked up to your current wiring
, kind of like what they do withsolar panels now.
So instead of having like abattery system, uh, you can
actually connect up to the grid.
I guess in this case you wouldjust cut that line and then pull
the energy from the sure sothat that brings it still.

Tim Shoop (09:31):
Still, that doesn't answer my question, because it
brings the energy to the houseright, but you're talking about
actually in the house to thehouse.
That's where because getting itto the house, right, that's
easy.
Oh, yeah, right, we're alreadydoing that.
Um, once it gets to the house,how would we?
You know how?
How do we, before we get intointegration of other

(09:54):
technologies inside the house?
I love how you read my mind justnow right, but how do we
disperse it through the house?
What I was explaining earlieris with computer networking and
Wi-Fi, or as the Deves likes tocall it.

Deaves (10:11):
Wi-Fi.
You know, I do.

Tim Shoop (10:18):
So we have wireless.
You know you still got landlinecoming into that router.
That's then dispersing itwirelessly and you're delivering
.
You know, uh, ip's over dhcp,right, uh, whatever.
But how would electricity?
Let's get our brains turningfor a minute, okay.
How would electricity dispersethrough the house?

(10:39):
And you brought up somethingearlier safety concerns,
obviously, obviously.
If I've got a pacemaker and I'msitting in that house, I'm
going to have a hell of a day.

Sam The IT Guy (10:51):
Oh yeah, oh yeah .
So I guess in that case therewould have to be some form of
beam forming right, just likewith a wireless router.
Wherever you're at connected tothe network, it isolates that
signal directly at the devicethat's connected.
So I would assume we wouldprogram the wireless the same,
and in my head I'm seeing likeGlade, glade, pay attention.

(11:11):
Wall plugins that look likelittle Glades and they just
repeat the signal wirelessly out.

Tim Shoop (11:17):
Okay, so similar to a Wi-Fi repeater that exists,
already today.
Yeah, so you're.

Sam The IT Guy (11:24):
I know I'm still trapped in like how the way
actually so wait you're still.

Tim Shoop (11:29):
So where are you plugging those in uh wall?

Sam The IT Guy (11:32):
outlets.

Tim Shoop (11:33):
So let's back up for a minute.
The whole idea here, sam the itguy, is to eliminate outlets.
That's that's what you Raymondthat?
Well, I don't know.
I mean in my brain the way mybrain works is let's evolve this
technology to the point whereit comes to the house then

(11:57):
showers you with electricity.
Now I have a weird feelingsomeone out in the audience is
going oh my god, these peopleare on crack because that will
destroy our kidneys and livers,and they're probably right.
Right, but these are the kindsof things this is.
This is the type of technologythat I think would change the

(12:19):
world.
We've taken everything elsewireless.
What about electricity if wedidn't have outlets anymore and
everything just freaking worked?
Oh man, think about it.
No, I see, right now you buy acamera, right, right, you buy a
camera.
If you want to put it in aremote area in your house, you
have to either have an outlet upthere near the camera or you

(12:41):
have to have a battery pack inthat camera that you have to
change every so often, okay, solet's think about that.
If you were to showerelectricity in the house, you
wouldn't need that outlet upthere, because that camera is
going to integrate with it,right, and maybe we get over the
safety concerns by theelectricity only coming down a

(13:03):
certain amount, or, or, orbeaming in certain areas to
cover those things, and maybethat's how you get around.
Uh, maybe that's how you getaround.
You know, uh, guidelines, rightof what, and, and you know, and
, and be able to build thistechnology out absolutely so in

(13:27):
that one as as my.

Sam The IT Guy (13:30):
As you continue to explain exactly what you're
looking for, my idea justcontinues to evolve.
I haven't given up on it yetsam the it guy you're too calm.

Tim Shoop (13:38):
I am digital boardwalk has been good to you.
So now I need your brain tokick back into high gear, and I
need you to give me something.

Sam The IT Guy (13:46):
All right, here you go.
So what we do is develop newhardware for your devices that
integrates similarly, like a PCBand a network card, so
something that would receive thewireless transmission and be
able to expand the signal itself.
Because, as the signal is goingthrough the power and it
condenses and condenses andcondenses once it hits the one

(14:07):
to expand it, we just put whatexpands it in the actual device
itself.
So wireless in the air isharmless because it's not that
high of a voltage.

Tim Shoop (14:15):
However, if you have a device that can read the
signal and expand it, you neverhave to worry about power so if
we could bring voltages down ondevices somehow by keeping the
wattage at a similar rate and weshower it with a certain
spectrum of electricity, then wecould possibly defeat this idea
Potentially.

Sam The IT Guy (14:37):
I know the biggest problem with the
wireless power issue is just howmuch it dissipates as it
expands, as it goes out.
So I know that would be thefirst order of business is
extending the range withoutincreasing the risk of electric.

Tim Shoop (14:53):
But if you break electricity down into packets,
right, oh, that's smart, let'stalk about that.
Okay, if you think ofelectricity like we think of
bandwidth, when it comes to theinternet, absolutely, now,
someone out there that's when itcomes to the internet,
absolutely Now, someone outthere that's really smart is
listening to this, right, andthese guys are so stupid.

Sam The IT Guy (15:11):
Right, they're like can you Google something
first?

Tim Shoop (15:14):
But that's not the point of the show.
The point of the show is to geteverybody thinking about the
what ifs, absolutely.
So let's talk about this.
How do you envision wirelesselectricity integrating with
current home and officetechnologies and what would be
the first major changes we wouldsee?
Now, what I'm talking about is,once you have the electricity
showering into the home, wheredo you see the evolution

(15:39):
happening in the devices insideof that home?
And and how would it?
We talked about cameras likethe wireless cameras.
That would be amazing.
Oh, it was so nice.
You wouldn't need to run cable,ink or batteries, you wouldn't
have to change out batteries.
So there's there's one aspectof it.
Uh, can either of you think ofanother aspect?

Sam The IT Guy (16:02):
I'm waiting.
My, my brain just was like hey,everything that you guys were
talking about forget about it.
Can you refresh me?

Tim Shoop (16:11):
daves, what are you thinking back there?
You, you have access to googlein your production chair and, oh
yeah, why aren't you factchecking us?
So you should be fact checkingus and going.
You guys are dumb asses.

Deaves (16:22):
Yes, please look, it would just be me talking on
everything, something that Iknow is interesting about you
know both of y'all talking about, uh, pacemakers being an issue
right is that?
Something that I know hashappened with um, with wireless
chargers for phones, is that ithas to be a very direct view

(16:45):
path.
Nothing can be between itbecause between the object that
you're trying to charge or givepower and the thing charging it
Ah, that might defeat thatpacemaker because it can't
actually penetrate anything.

Tim Shoop (17:00):
So let's talk about that.
So if you had electricitysomehow coming down in your
ceiling, that is powering somesort of pad that might be lining
your wall Right, or in thatcase you could electrify.
And then, of course, if there'sa short, your children get

(17:20):
electrocuted and dead.
But something to think about.
I mean I'm I'm picturingtabling coming down, powering a
wall, a padded wall, that thatbasically houses electricity
passes code.
Maybe they use some sort ofshielding that is built into it
that doesn't radiate outside ofthat wall.

(17:40):
But now your wall, potentiallyanything you connect to it a
hanging camera, a TV, a speakersystem, you name it it
immediately has power.

Sam The IT Guy (17:53):
Just automagically, Just
automagically.
Yeah, yeah, that's great.
I guess another route that youcould take with that would be
just like with Wi-Fi right,where we have 2.4 gigahertz and
5 gigahertz 5 gigahertz, you goto spectrums Right, you get the
better 2.4 gigahertz and fivegigahertz, five gigahertz, two
spectrums right, you get thebetter speeds off five gigahertz
, but it doesn't propagatethrough solid objects as well.
So I guess if you really wantedto build in a fail safe, you
would just have to get it in ahigh enough frequency.

(18:15):
So yeah yeah, yeah, my braingoing, yeah, no that's.

Tim Shoop (18:23):
That's that's interesting to note, because
that's how pretty much all ofour technologies have come to
pass um, governmentalregulations and code is.
You know, they have to gothrough a myriad of that and
then finally they go oh, we'resafe on this spectrum.
Right, we're safe on thisspectrum.
That's why wireless electricitydoesn't exist is because it's

(18:47):
just not safe.
Yeah, um so, and I talked aboutways to.
Well, one of the questionswould be how do you mitigate
those concerns with consumers?
Right, we talked aboutshielding in a wall.
You know, if you bring inelectricity, if it's it's of
sight or direct, it has to be acertain distance between the two

(19:08):
objects.
Get it.
I mean, if I take a wirelesscharger now and I stick it on
someone's chest that has apacemaker, that's probably not a
good idea.
So we're not going to do that.
So let's talk about somethingthat really is burning my brain
right now I'm staying on thistopic the impact on energy
consumption around the globe.

(19:30):
So could wireless electricitylead to higher energy
consumption?
Right, people are going to usemore devices if they have more
places to put them.
Or would it promote energyefficiency?
So how do we balanceconvenience and sustainability?
So, taking two sides of thespectrum.

(19:51):
You know you've got to be ableto balance and make it a
long-term thing, but be able to,you know, kind of balance the
teeter between those two.
So would it be higher energyconsumption or would it create
more efficiency?
I think it would do both.

Sam The IT Guy (20:09):
I think it would as well because, especially
starting out like developing thetechnology, you're going to be
wasting like about 60% of thepower that's output via wireless
, at least with what we havecurrently, Because even your
normal wireless charging pads,there's a vast amount of
inefficiency that's used in them.
So I would say initially itwould be almost triple the power

(20:33):
consumption.
But as the technology developsand gets down, if everyone has
access to power whenever and I'massuming in this case we're
going going full on utopia typedeal where you're not paying a
monthly bill for power, it'sjust there.
It's just there.
It's just there.

Tim Shoop (20:51):
Oh, you're going to pay for it.

Sam The IT Guy (20:52):
Of course, it's never going to be free, yeah,
just with, like you know, somekind of neural disorder from all
the wireless electricity goingthrough your brain.

Tim Shoop (21:00):
So, talking about the monetary aspects of it, what
kind of economic impact couldwidespread adoption of wireless
electricity have, especially interms of the utility and
consumer electronic industries?
There you know a it's going toboost consumer electronics,
right?

(21:20):
Um, I mean, you're going to getmore of a widespread adoption
if it's easier for people toinstall.
Look what happened withtechnology that we see.
Now it's so easy.
Like, do you remember the dayswhen mobile devices didn't exist
?
Well, I remember the days PCswere very cumbersome because you

(21:43):
were dealing with Windows andthey always had viruses,
whatever.
But it was all localized right.
It wasn't.
You know, like we know nowwhere it's widespread cyber
security events and right thingslike that, um, but you know, if
you have consumer electronicsthat you basically turn on, they

(22:07):
immediately power up, right,don't ever worry about plugging
them in dealing with a bunch ofcables and they immediately
collect, not only connect toyour wireless electricity but
your wi-fi, right, you don't doanything, it's just magic.

Sam The IT Guy (22:21):
That's awesome.
That's how most technologyfeels nowadays too, too, though,
like even us right, like we'rewith MSPs, like I do the vast
majority of my job remotelybecause I'm just jumping into it
from that distance, so watching.
I don't even know how thatwould look.
Trying to think about it howdoes that expand further with
power?

Tim Shoop (22:39):
I mean, the birth of digital boardwalk was because of
the widespread adoption of highbandwidth and the technology
that evolved because of highspeed internet and high
bandwidth, yes, sir, and a lotof other technologies, streaming
services, I mean.
Come on, if we were trying tostream on dial up, would that be

(22:59):
?

Deaves (23:01):
not even possible, not even remotely hell.

Tim Shoop (23:04):
Oh, back in the day we tried it, oh you know, and oh
my god, it was so horrible andand you couldn't get through a
minute of a show because it youtalk about buffering.
Oh, there was no buffering, itwas just paused.
So, um, yeah, so last questionI have on this topic before we

(23:24):
down our next beer, which itlooks like you finished.
So, sam, I like having you onthe show because you're not a
beer wimp, right?
No, not at all.
No, this is good.

Sam The IT Guy (23:37):
You don't need to bust out your bottle nipples
for me.

Tim Shoop (23:40):
I'm not going to nurse any of these guys, so
let's talk about beyond justcharging devices and this is the
last question I have on thissubject Beyond just charging
devices, what other innovativeapplications could emerge from
wireless electricity technologyin the next decade?
So this is a good segue intoour next segment.

(24:03):
Well, actually, our thirdsegment, that's coming later
autonomous vehicles, oh yeah,but we got to get through
personal assistance first andI'll talk about that.
But sweet, you know, if youhave an autonomous vehicle, an
electric vehicle, right andyou're, you've got wireless
electric.
I mean, you're just pulling itin your garage and the darn

(24:25):
thing's just charging away thatyou're not plugging it in no,
not at all think about it yeah,because it would be charging
wherever you're going.

Sam The IT Guy (24:32):
In fact, you could probably, depending on how
um consistent the actualwireless electricity power grid
is right.
I mean, you could even startbuilding these without batteries
in them, make them even safer,because then they can just run
off the ambient energy in theair.
I feel like that would be.
The next logical step would beand I think you're right, that's

(24:54):
why I started out with likebeing way more power consumption
, and the only focus on thattechnology to drive it further
is just going to be making itmore and more efficient.

Tim Shoop (25:04):
More and more efficient.
Until that's a possibility.
And what if it was limited?
So what if it evolved over theyears?
Obviously they have to gothrough developing it and making
it safe, and all that.
And maybe they start bylimiting it to just major roads
and highways.
Oh yeah, and so your cars, fromthe roads and the highways all

(25:25):
the way to your garage, staycharged.
So there's your there.

Sam The IT Guy (25:30):
I'm just over here like it would be so nice to
pay 300 a month less.

Tim Shoop (25:34):
There's your free power that would overcome range
anxiety.
It would and, and, and, and.
You know all these, all theseyoung.
The young generation was a gen,is a gen y or z?
The ones that are my son's age,now around 13.
They're going to grow up withelectric cars, so they're not
going to know how to change oil.
They're not going to know howto put a gas pump.

(25:55):
You know, mine will, mine willalways know old school and new
school technologies, because Iwant them to understand what if
all of this breaks?
Exactly, cyber event, oh yeah,a world event that takes out all
these grids.
You still want to know how tosurvive.

(26:16):
One of those survivaltechniques is knowing If anybody
has watched Fallout Crawl outto the fallout baby.
Anybody that's watchedFalloutout knows you.
You gotta get old school withit.
Oh yeah, you know.
So cars are one thing.
Being able to pull a car in thegarage and just let it charge,

(26:36):
that's a good first step.
I mean, if your garage just hada shower of electricity?
Um, I'm trying to think of someother things.
Some people, you know, have anrv pad next to their um house.
I know I do, and I have to pluginto an extra, you know, um um

(26:57):
box right outside of the house.
What if I didn't?
Yeah, what if I just backed itin?

Sam The IT Guy (27:02):
The darn thing worked, it stayed working, Plus
RV parks would be popping, ohman.

Tim Shoop (27:09):
All right, so we're going to get into our next topic
, which is AI, personalassistance and the evolution of
that and what the future mighthold for that.
Before we do, let's down oursecond beer the Deves take it
away.
Before we do, let's down oursecond beer, the Deves take it
away.

Deaves (27:26):
So our second beer today is a classic Sam Adams Boston
Lager.
This comes from Sam AdamsBoston Beer Company.
No surprise there in BostonMassachusetts.

Sam The IT Guy (27:36):
I don't believe you.

Deaves (27:38):
That's what the sheet says, and the sheet cannot lie.
It's a smooth German-stylelager with a slightly sweet
roasted malts notes of caramel,toffee and a distinct, noble hot
character with a subtle pineycitrus.
It ends with a crisp finishthat makes you want another.

Tim Shoop (27:54):
So always like having these close as well.
They're good especially.
I go more to my Boston lagersin the fall and winter time and
they have a good winter lager umreal spicy well, it's just got
more of a, a full-bodied taste.
In the summertime I like tostay with my light pilsners and

(28:16):
right um, but when you'resweating your body weight out
every day and sweat because, uh,florida it would make sense,
cheers sam the it guy, the ITguy Cheers, cheers, boss.
All right, so we're going to getinto AI, personal assistance
and what I want to kick thissegment off with.
I want to get our audiencethinking about the future of
this technology from alldifferent perspectives, like

(28:39):
similar to what we touched onwith electricity.
I want to talk about safety andprivacy aspects Absolutely,
that's obviously on everybody'smind.
My first question to you, samthe IT guy what if your AI
assistant didn't just respond toyour commands?
I mean, we all know what thatis right, right, but what if it

(28:59):
anticipated your needs beforeyou even realized them, before
you even realize them?

Sam The IT Guy (29:05):
So that I will start this with a personal
anecdote.
That is something I definitelystole from a meme.
My wife and I the other daywere just talking about this and
I told her that we needed tokeep our guns in the house.
We don't need to get rid of theguns, we need to hold on to
them, just in case.
And she was like why do we needthem?

(29:25):
We're in a safe neighborhood,no one's trying to mess with us,
right?
Um?
And I was like, well, you neverknow when the toaster might act
up.
And then she started laughing.
I started laughing, the toasterstarted laughing.
I shot the toaster all over.
Oh, I love it I love it.

Tim Shoop (29:39):
You know there's, there's.
We're not here to talk aboutguns, but there are huge
national debates and oh yeah, Iwas just, that was for the joke
it's very polarized, uh, as faras guns.
But if there is a nationalevent and grids go out and all
of that, there will be civilunrest.
Now we don't want everybody outthere shooting, but you know, I

(30:04):
get the argument about I needto protect my family.
Oh yeah, I mean it kind oftakes you back to the 1800s,
right, right.
And what a lot of people don'trealize is just like that.
You know, I mean, think aboutit.
Some people, I think, thinkgroceries grow in a grocery
store, it's fair, like they justappear on the shelves magically

(30:27):
.
I mean, those things don't justhappen.
So if you have a national event, that stuff's going to dry up
because your farmers areinvolved in, I mean, everybody
imports, all that is affected.
So you know, you have to learnto forage and find and figure it
out and, and I worry, you knowabout those types of things.
But let's get back.

(30:47):
We're thinking about the wrongthings.
So so what are the next bigcapabilities we can expect from
personal AI assistance in thecoming years?
How will these advances changeour daily interactions with
technology?

Sam The IT Guy (31:06):
Bold opinion here.
Actually, I don't think it'sbold.
I think it's actually extremelyreasonable.
It's not going to berecognizable.
This is something that's goingto flip everything on its head,
because right now, you know, AIseems like scary but manageable.
But right now you have torealize that AI is not in its
final form yet.
Like it's multi-portal, there'sdifferent modes of it.

(31:27):
So the next logical step, oncethey have every single module of
an AI you can imagine, is thencombining them all, and then
that's where we would be lookingat like actual AI technology
Right now.
Now, granted, it's mostlyGoogle Assistant that you know I
end up fighting withoccasionally, Like I don't know
if you've ever tried to play asong in your car but you google
assistant people talk to alexissiri.

(31:49):
All of these are ai assistants,right, right um, I do believe
those are just voice assistants.
They don't actually have likean ai model behind them, so no
ai model behind them.

Tim Shoop (31:59):
So no machine right learning.

Sam The IT Guy (32:01):
I think the only one that I know of gpt, right,
the only one that I know ofright now that actually has it
built into the phone, I thinkwas Samsung's newest flagship,
okay, and I think there wasactually a subscription involved
.
I'd have to double check.
I don't actually know for sure,but that's the.
Can you imagine, like thesethings going full bore and like
you're in that moment where youhave, like for me, like 10

(32:23):
different calls that are comingin and you just need to get a
message or two to somebody andyou go hey, assistant, I need
you to let everyone know who'strying to get in touch with me
right now, that I'll get backwith them as soon as possible
and that I will follow up verysoon and then just have it make
all the notifications and thenit just handles it all.
Yeah, because the AI, instead ofit being one person at a time,
like you or I, would like thatphone can ring, yeah, all of

(32:45):
them at the same time, givingthem different information and
carrying on differentconversations, like it is next
level.
Now I don't know and I know youmentioned fallout because, oh
boy, I love me some fallout.
Yeah, um, but another universethat really just kind of like
hammers in the ideas of what aicould be.
Uh, would, of course, becyberpunk, if you've ever heard

(33:07):
about that.
Oh yeah, oh, wonderful propertyAll together.
And, by the way, fallout is acyberpunk story.
I can prove it.
Yeah, it has all the elementsyou need for it to be classified
as cyberpunk.
That's cyberpunk.
Right there, you have Robocopas cyberpunk and Fallout like
they both are.
So with a cyberpunk and falloutlike they both are, so with ai,

(33:29):
it's one of those where it'slike it literally can go
anywhere, because, being a bigsci-fi nerd growing up
throughout the years, I've readand listened and participated in
multiple different ai stories.
Right like west world would bea wonderful example of an ai
story.

Tim Shoop (33:44):
Didn't the same makers of west world make
fallout?

Sam The IT Guy (33:47):
yes, actually, uh, no, or was that?
Uh, I'm pretty no, I think itwas game, oh come on, look at
this world.

Tim Shoop (33:54):
The goal, the goal right number one, looks
extremely similar to one of themain characters in west world.
You're fair that you're.
Yeah, and I do believe it wascreated by either the same
producers, right?
I think it's the same producers?
Right, I think it's the sameproducers of Westworld.

Sam The IT Guy (34:08):
I think I got thrown off because I'm pretty
sure it was the guys who didGame of Thrones and I think they
also did Westworld.
They also had for, like, theambient music.
It was Ramin Dajawabi Imispronounced the bejesus out of
his name Google alwaysunderstands me but he was
actually the one who composedthe music for west world and

(34:30):
game of thrones and he alsohelped with some of the normal
ones for fallout 2 I think uh,west world producers also made
the peripheral the peripheralyeah, I don't know if you've
seen that.
Yeah right, it's a series hey,tom, could you, could you check
for us like who?
Uh, oh d's.

Deaves (34:46):
Oh my gosh, I know I am such a novice it looks like west
world was created by jonathannolan and lisa joy.

Tim Shoop (34:56):
Okay, and fallout is created by graham wagner and
geneva robertson dwarrat socross-reference westworld and
fallout and see if those arerelated, and then we are gonna
try to stay on topic here.
Continue to talk about personalassistance of course, of course

(35:16):
.

Sam The IT Guy (35:17):
But I mean, at the same time, westworld would
be the best personal assistanceever.
Because then you're just likehey, can you go to mcdonald's
for me real quick, I'm feeling abig mac and then they can just
hop in their car and go grab itand bring it back to me.
It made me so happy.
But you know, you know whatwould be even better than that.

Tim Shoop (35:32):
You know we're talking about future
technologies and when I thinkabout existing technologies that
we have today, a lot ofexisting technologies we have
today relate to old movies andtv shows I watched in the
seventies and eighties, so Iactually have an anecdote for
that.
So the Jetsons I'm going to.
Everybody kind of referencesthe Jetsons.

(35:53):
I watched the Jetsons when Iwas little.
The Jetsons video conferencing,I mean they talked on a TV,
right, they saw and heard eachother on a TV.
They had flying cars that wereautonomous or mostly autonomous.
Um, they had personalassistants.
They had flying cars that wereautonomous or mostly autonomous.
They had personal assistants.
It was built into their.
Was it the robot or theapartment they lived in?

(36:13):
I can't remember.
I think it was both, wasn't it?
But one of the things youtalked about food going down the
road getting a big mac.
What if food was micronizedright into about the size of a
pill and you just popped it intoa device and now you have a

(36:35):
roast?

Sam The IT Guy (36:37):
like back to the future.
That's right?
Yeah, it was, but it was also.

Tim Shoop (36:41):
I think they did it on the jetsonsons also, I
believe.
So, yeah, so, and you know,steven Spielberg probably got
that idea from the Jetsons.
Oh, absolutely.
But if you look at all thoseold shows, things that exist now
and are the reality now wereactually in old movies and TV
shows.
So the movies and TV showswe're watching now, there's

(37:05):
probably a couple of gems inthere, Absolutely, yeah, I mean
some of the you know, some ofthe things that we might realize
in the future.
So let's talk about Go ahead.

Sam The IT Guy (37:15):
Oh, I was going to say.
I was going to say I know thebig one for me, like, my
favorite example of that is StarTrek.

Tim Shoop (37:20):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, like you can straight up Look
at the phones, I mean mobilephones and even, like in Next
Generation, they had full-blowntablets Like they're rocking.
Beat me up, Scotty.

Sam The IT Guy (37:29):
Yes, there are times where I can play off being
like have no idea what happenedjust now and no one notices,
but that was not one of thosemoments.

Tim Shoop (37:42):
So the biggest thing that comes to mind with AI
assistance is privacy.
I mean, you already have Alexalistening to you nonstop.
Siri's actually listening toyou, but they don't necessarily
learn from you, right?
There are privacy concernsthere because that is being

(38:02):
recorded somewhere to assistwith the evolution of that
technology.
So it's really hard to hidefrom you know the world when you
have that technology in yourhouse.
With AI assistance becomingmore integrated into our
personal lives, what are themain privacy concerns users
should be aware of and how canwe address them?

(38:24):
So you know, I just explainedit.
I mean, they're being you know,right, but if, if an ai
assistant that can learn fromyour input and it knows
everything, when do the lines ofreality and fiction come into

(38:58):
play?
I mean, think about it for aminute.
Deaves, I know you're at backthere.
Your brain is just churningsideways right now.
You are itching to tell ussomething.

Deaves (39:12):
Look, we're always on the next great piece of
technology.
I mean talking about AI andpersonal assistants.
A big piece that has beenhappening recently that we've
seen not very good success inare these lapel pins, where you
have a camera lapel pin thatconnects to your phone.
That is a powered AI assistantthat sees.
So you can already just be likewhat's in front of me, what am

(39:35):
I looking at right now?
And the you know the currentiterations aren't great, but
usually the first iteration ofany new technology isn't.

Tim Shoop (39:44):
Who makes that technology?

Sam The IT Guy (39:46):
Well, there's two that I know of.
Are you talking about Rabbitand Humane?

Deaves (39:50):
Rabbit and Humane Yep.

Sam The IT Guy (39:51):
OK.

Deaves (39:52):
Technologies, and Rabbit Rabbit was the one that
famously right now isn't doingso hot.
They had a pretty bad productlaunch and then big reviewers
all kind of gave them thumbsdown and I believe they're
filing for bankruptcy.

Sam The IT Guy (40:05):
so I wouldn't be surprised, because there's
actually a little bit of adevelopment with that too.
Uh, there was a guy who wasactually able to crack into it
and come to find out the rabbit,the whole device, which is like
a I think it's like a three$400 device and then like
there's a monthly subscription400.
Okay, um, and then it, uh, theyfound out that it's really just

(40:26):
an APK that's loaded into it.
So the guy was actually able togo through and run it as an
application on his phone and itworked better.

Deaves (40:35):
Wow, yeah, it runs on an Android OS, so it is
essentially an Android app.
The reason that they wanted topush it to its own device was
because there were concernsprivacy concerns with having
some type of technology likethat attached to your phone
where it can reach everything atall times.

Sam The IT Guy (40:53):
That is actually your app.
That's a good reason.
I actually didn't find that.
Thank you for telling me that,and that's actually very helpful
.

Tim Shoop (40:59):
Well, a lot of people don't realize that it is really
hard to escape your footprinton this earth.
These days.
When I was growing up as a kid,it was easy to get lost.

Sam The IT Guy (41:09):
Oh, absolutely.

Tim Shoop (41:10):
Without being found Now.

Sam The IT Guy (41:13):
Can you imagine growing up if all of your
friends had cameras in theirpockets?

Tim Shoop (41:18):
Yeah.

Sam The IT Guy (41:19):
Yeah, it would be terrible 'd be oh, oh, so
many dumb things back then, somany, so many I believe asa you
about as old as me just aboutyeah, I as um 89 yeah, 92 sam
the it guy by the way um

Deaves (41:38):
yeah, I mean we did grow up in that, in that era where,
when we were teenagers, cellphones were flip phones right,
and now it's like.
Now it's it's almost mandatoryto get your child a phone when
they start going to school Imean even when they start look,
look, look you youngsters when Iwas a teenager me and my

(41:59):
buddies you can't touch that.

Tim Shoop (42:01):
yet Sam the IT guy, he's trying to reach for the
third beer.
Is that a nerds on tap first?
Yes, we're almost there.
When I was a teenager, when meand my buddies wanted to stay in
communication so we knew wherethe next party was, or hey,
where are you at?
Tonight we use CB radio.
Oh that's awesome we had CB.
I had a sports car but I had aCB in it because I would tune in

(42:26):
on Friday night and go this isthe maniac.
That was my handle back then.
That's a good man Trying toreach my buddy Jarrett, and we
would find each other and wewould find the party.
So, listen, so we talked aboutit.
We talked about privacyconcerns.
We talked about we know aboutthe impact on productivity.

Deaves (42:48):
So we're not going to get into it.

Tim Shoop (42:50):
That is you know that is crazy to the moon Ethical AI
use.
I mean, there are ethicalconsiderations that developers
should consider and keep in mindwhen creating these assistants,
especially as they become moreautonomous and decision capable,
because we don't want them togo.
You know, sam the IT guy, youjust pissed me off.

(43:14):
Now I'm going to go tell allyour friends on social media
because I'm connected throughyou to that platform, and I'm
going to tell them how much yousuck.
So we don't want that, right?
I mean, think about that.
People don't think about what,if, what, if those things happen

(43:36):
.
So, for the sake of time, weare going to jump into our final
segment.
Sam the it guy has beenreaching for the third beer, so
Deves, take it away.

Deaves (43:50):
Okay.
So for our third beer, we'vegot the holiday white ale.
This is also a Sam Adamsproduct, so this is coming from
their Boston beer company inBoston Massachusetts.
This is crisp and zesty, withholiday flavors like cinnamon,
nutmeg and a dusting of orangepeel a dusting a dusting.

Sam The IT Guy (44:09):
It tastes a little like cider to me, but
it's definitely beer, okay thisisn't my favorite.

Tim Shoop (44:14):
I think it might be, but it is.
It is somehow.
It's making me joyous.

Sam The IT Guy (44:19):
Right If my beard starts turning white.

Tim Shoop (44:24):
We know it's the right kind of holidays.
So I will tell you guys this,my personal preference I don't
like nutty in my beer.
Oh fair, this does have aslight.
Was it a dusting nutty?

Deaves (44:37):
The dusting was of the orange peel, but it does have
nutmeg.

Tim Shoop (44:41):
So I do like the orange peel, the orange peel
peel.
I'm a big old-fashioned drinker, so I like a good, really rich
bourbon, old-fashioned and it'sgot a.
It's got an orange peel in it,um, but the nuts are.
What's killing it for me withthis?

Sam The IT Guy (44:57):
but I will drink it oh yeah, that's good for me.
I, uh, I actually tend to usenuts as my snack.
It was actually something that,believe it or not, it's
actually really healthy.
Uh, I switched from like chips,like potato chips and all fried
stuff and started eating nuts,and yeah, no, I eat nuts oh, oh

(45:21):
but nut.

Tim Shoop (45:22):
We can just end it here that was it, I went sam the
it guy's only on his third beerand he's going off the rails.
Ladies and gentlemen, Iapologize.

Sam The IT Guy (45:32):
Uh, we're gonna get it it was right in front of
me, literally like I'm staringat him, all right, all right,
all right, all right, all right.

Tim Shoop (45:43):
So we're gonna get into our last subject.
We're gonna talk aboutautonomous vehicles everywhere.
Awesome, all right.
So here's the question I poseto everybody what if?
Okay, what if every car on theroad was autonomous, every
single car?
Get rid of gas cars, get rid ofjust regular electric cars, get

(46:04):
rid of all that make every.
Obviously they're all going tobe electric, right, but they're
all going to be autonomous.
So, every car on the road'sautonomous.
Think of the decrease intraffic accidents oh yeah, we'll
get into that, because I thinkthat's going to be a major type
and congestion.
So the major decrease intraffic, uh, uh, accidents and

(46:26):
and congestion go oh, absolutely.

Sam The IT Guy (46:30):
Because for me, just to touch back on our, on
our previous subject, I I don'tthink they will be fully
autonomous.
I think our, I think our aifriends will be driving them, so
that way you don't have toworry about someone like just
automations failing.
Instead you have, you know,someone or a machine that can
actually think and reason andhave judgment calls.

Tim Shoop (46:50):
So what was that movie?
The end of the world.
End of the world.
Have you seen that yet?
The one with franco and dannymcbride and I don't know who I I
don't think that's who was init, but there's a movie called
end of the world where, um,basically there was a major
cyber attack, okay, and everyautonomous tesla right was

(47:14):
driving down the same route andall piling on top of one another
because they were all hacked.
Oh that's scary that was justone incident.
Um, obviously, they took downthe communication grid, they
took down the transportationgrid, okay, and they um, amongst
, obviously, the internet andall of that was out.

(47:35):
But when you think about thatstuff and you think about
autonomy, right, right, so whatif?
So, yes, we think about thedecrease in traffic accidents
and congestion.
That is wonderful, ladies andgentlemen.
That's great when it works, ofcourse.
So what happens?

(47:56):
You know, you talked about aiassistance in the car.
Obviously, an AI assistant willdrive that car.
No more DUIs, none, there's thepro.
So you leave a bar, you get inyour car and all you do is kick
back and say car, take me home.
And you're home, that's it.
You wake up in your car andmaybe one day the robot will

(48:28):
come out, grab you out of car,take you in the house, throw you
in the bed.
Thanks, rosie, yeah, thanksrosie.
But what if and this is wherethis comes into play we want to
look at the dark side of thistechnology.
Yeah, so you have an aiassistant driving it.
That's great, right, right, sothat all that's peachy keen.
But what if?
Um, we have a major cyber attack, right, takes down, let's say
that the just the, the carmanufacturers.

(48:50):
Obviously, autonomy comes withupdates, because you're, you're
driving a computer.
Okay, and what if an updategets pushed into every single
autonomous car on the planetthat tells those cars, on
whatever date, it says, hey, onthis date, at this time, I want

(49:20):
all the cars to go to a certaindestination, or I want all the
cars to shut down.
So you have two, two, twodifferent, completely different
variables here.
If they all go to the samedestination, the ones that are
sitting inside the garage aregoing to try to bang through the
garage doors.
The one and most of them willbe.

(49:41):
But if it does it in the middleof the day, right, every single
car is going to leave wherethey are and drive to a
destination and they're allgoing to.
I don't know that they'll pileon one top of one another, like
in that movie, because they dohave sensors on them, right, but
that destination could be theocean absolutely it's not, it

(50:02):
may not see that.
I don't know what if they shutdown, what if they just
literally shut down?
What does that do to people?
What does how does that createcivil unrest?
And what does it do to theeconomy?
Because if now a lot of peoplework remotely nowadays, oh yeah,
but think what if?

(50:24):
What will that do to the stockmarket alone?
It will tank absolutely,because a lot of companies won't
be doing what they need to do.
Right, but look at the safetyconcerns there too.

Sam The IT Guy (50:37):
Yeah and the other big part of because any
part of the human condition issocialization, because at the
end of the day, we're all socialanimals.
So if it's one of those wherethe world just is like, all
right, so we're going to goahead and jack every car on the
planet, you can't drive anymoreand everyone ends up going
remote, I feel like it would bejust a massive wave of

(50:58):
depression that would hit kindof like COVID 2.0.
Well, like it would be just amassive wave of depression that
would hit kind of like COVID 2.0.

Tim Shoop (51:02):
Well, it would be more than depression, you would?
You know, if people couldn'tget to where they have to get
now?
That's one thing, right, but ifthey can't get to where they
get now, I want to put this intoa bigger perspective for
everybody listening out thereright now.
All right, we're just talkingabout cars, yeah, but we right
now.
All right, we're just talkingabout cars, yeah, but we we.
What I meant to say was what ifevery vehicle on the planet was

(51:24):
autonomous, every vehicle,plane, let's let's slow down.
Let's just dial it down a notchokay every vehicle, so let's
talk about buses, trains andeven planes being fully.
What's that?

Deaves (51:40):
18 wheelers, I mean your .

Tim Shoop (51:41):
Your interstate conference would, yes, shut down
yes, so that's where I'm goingwith this.
So 18 wheelers are alreadybecoming.
You've seen the tesla uh trucks, the autonomous tesla trucks.
So if they can't delivergroceries to the grocery store,
even if you can't drive to work,you can't even get groceries
because they're not in.
A lot of people use deliveryservices.

(52:02):
Now they're not going to bedelivered because they can't
drive.
You're not going to getgroceries from the farmers to
the, to the market, so those aregoing to dry up and go away
right um, now you have uhairplanes that can't fly because
they're autonomous.
So or made by boeing and thinkmy initial question was what if

(52:23):
they all went to a specificdestination?
So now you have a major safetyevent, oh yeah, especially if
it's in the ocean.
So all those planes go into theocean, all those buses go into
the ocean, all the cars go tothe ocean.
You know all the trains derail,obviously, and you know, just

(52:44):
go at a high speed, whatever.
Those are things of concern andall that comes down to,
specifically, cybersecurity.
Cybersecurity is going to driveour planet moving forward, in
my opinion, because withoutcybersecurity, really good, but
it doesn't matter how good it is, because you're always going to
have somebody on the other sidefighting it right.

(53:05):
In the old days, it didn'tmatter how high a castle
fortified its walls or how wideit built its moats, you always
had someone trying to cross andclimb and always people who are
innovating and finding ways ofdoing it.

Deaves (53:20):
Yeah, so figure out a way to fling a bigger rock now.

Sam The IT Guy (53:24):
Another thing that I'm really curious about is
going to be now.
I know this isn't a topic we'regoing to jump into today, but
that's going to lead directlyinto, like future of cyber
security.
What does that look like in thequantum?

Tim Shoop (53:36):
computing world.
We're going to get into quantumcomputing in another episode of
what if?
But I want to pose a couplemore questions and stay on the
topic of of autonomous vehicles,before we drink our last beer
and toast and say goodbye to samthe it guy um or goodbye oh man

(53:59):
, I just got hired so periodimpact on urban planning.
Okay, impact on urban planning.
How do you think autonomousvehicles will reshape urban
planning and infrastructure inthe next 20 years, particularly
particularly in denselypopulated cities so densely

(54:23):
populated let's think New Yorkcity how is it going to reshape
the way they plan those roads?
And I mean you can't reallychange a lot, right, I mean
you've got the subway.
I mean, when I I mean I meaneverything's autonomous, right,
we're thinking everythingautonomous.

(54:44):
So the subway in New York isnow autonomous, right.
The cars, the you know?
I mean I just came back fromNew York City.
I mean we rode the subway a lot, right.
And it was interesting, it was,it was it was.
It was very eye-opening on onand it was obviously very

(55:07):
efficient.
Oh yeah, I liked it, but nowit's autonomous, now it shuts
down.
I mean, I'm still thinkingabout this stuff shutting down
what would that oh?
my god, what would that do toNew York City?
And it did shut down duringCOVID and I talked to some
locals up in New York City aboutthat and, oh my God, they were

(55:28):
all like they're still talkingabout that and how it affected
them and their daily lives.
But staying on with urbanplanning, how do you guys think
it is going to change the wayall that looks and feels?

Sam The IT Guy (55:42):
I've got the feeling and I know this, this is
going to be a little slightly,slightly funny um, I feel like
it's going to be 10 times easierbecause you're removing the
human element, you're removingthe problem, so everything's
going to do as it's told,because it's technology, they're
all autonomous.
So when you're planning andbuilding, it's much more easier

(56:02):
to execute that because you'renot going to have some guy who's
like no, this is the route Itake to work every day, like you
don't have to worry about notknowing another path.
You know what I mean.
So I feel like it wouldactually be a boon for it.

Tim Shoop (56:13):
So all they would have to do is integrate the new
technology into the existinginfrastructure.
And you're saying that's allthey would have to do.

Sam The IT Guy (56:21):
Right, and then once they do that, then once
it's fully adopted, right.
Because right now, if you havea split of automated cars versus
ones that are actually goingthrough, that are people who are
driving manually, you can'tpredict anything Because humans
in general, we're all veryunpredictable anything because
humans in general, we're allvery unpredictable.
So if you have it over totechnology and it's just a few

(56:42):
lines of code, that is whatthey're doing, then you can
predict and thus change itHowever you need, because no
one's going to mess you up.

Tim Shoop (56:51):
Right, so so autonomous vehicles?
Oh my god, just we're, we're onthe cusp right, I was thinking
about that the other day.

Sam The IT Guy (57:00):
I was talking to my wife right, we're watching,
going through a bunch ofdifferent youtube channels, like
because we tend to veer towardsthe more educational stuff, and
she looked at me and she wasjust like do you feel like
everything we watched growing upis becoming real?
Like right now it's becomingreal?

Tim Shoop (57:16):
I've been all becoming real.
Sam the it guy.
Yes, sir, I have been watchingthings since I was a little kid.
I was born in 1969, nice, hey,a lot of great things happened
that year we landed on the moon,woodstock and shoop dog was
born, I mean snoop dog is a giftno, I'm shoop dog.

(57:43):
Well, shoop dog is a gift.

Deaves (57:45):
Snoop dog's a rapper show the proper respect to shoop
dog.
Yeah, I'm just what kind ofstuff has he?

Tim Shoop (57:51):
done.
I'm just a crapper, I don'tknow me too I don't know.
But listen, I was born a longtime ago, right, and when I grew
up I was a 70s kid, I was an80s teenager.
Which 80s we rocked?
I'm sorry, but we just had agreat time in the 80s.
We didn't think about a lot ofstuff, we just did um.

(58:12):
But but things I watched in the70s are real now as we speak.
So let's put that intoperspective.
And some of the things in the70s are real now as we speak.
So let's put that intoperspective.
And some of the things in the80s are real.
But most of the things that weredeveloped the PC was actually
more developed in the 80s, butin the 70s Microsoft came out in

(58:35):
the 70s and 80s, all you know Isaw t, the evolution of tv.
I mean, the norm in the in the70s was a 20 inch console.
It was basically a big woodenbox with a crt in it that wasn't
any bigger than 20 or 25 inches, little boob tubes.
Yeah, the original projectiontv was a rear projection, or

(58:58):
actually it was a frontprojection tv where the
projectors jetted out from thefront of the tv and shot up at
it.
It was, I didn't know, that, ohcrazy.
Oh.
I had a friend that had one ofthose in their house.
I thought he was rich, it was.
It was crazy.
Well, he was, because he livedon braddock mountain.
But I have watched all that, solet's put that into perspective

(59:19):
.
So some of the technologiesthat I watched on tv in the 70s
which these are, shows that cameout in the 60s, like the
jetsons um, I think it came outin the 60s fast forward and
those became a reality, likevideo conferencing.
We're talking the 2000s, right.
So 70, 80, 90, 2000, 2010.

(59:39):
Right, 40 years.
So if you see something on TVthat is just far-fetched, right,
but you see it in more than onemovie, yeah, 40 years later
it's going to become a reality.

Sam The IT Guy (59:52):
Huh.

Tim Shoop (59:54):
What if?

Sam The IT Guy (59:55):
What if?

Tim Shoop (59:56):
What if Well?

Sam The IT Guy (59:56):
that explains AI .
Huh, what if?
What?

Tim Shoop (59:57):
if, what?
If?
Well, that explains AI.
So in future episodes we'regoing to talk about space
exploration for the consumer,you know, jumping from planet to
planet, because now weobviously go from country to
country.
We fly over an ocean, right, Imean, that was unheard of back
in the day.
It's a reality now.
So it's not a far-fetched ideato go from planet to planet.

(01:00:20):
Once the safety concerns andeverything are addressed, right,
I mean, anybody that's watchedApollo 13 is afraid to get in a.
I mean, oh, you want to catchyour dad in one, but again, that
was based on a flight.
That happened.
What?
The late 60s, early 70s?
Yes, sir.
So let's stay on this topic.

(01:00:42):
Let's talk about, um, we kindof talked about urban planning,
we taught, which kind of goeshand in hand with regulatory
challenges.
Um, safety and security.
We talked about cyber securityevents with autonomous vehicles.
So there are safety andsecurity concerns, yeah, um.
And and the final question onautonomous vehicles before we

(01:01:04):
drink our last beer and toast,this episode is economic shifts.
So autonomous vehicles promiseto change the economic landscape
significantly.
Yeah, right, wouldn't you agreea hundred percent?
Okay, what industries do youthink will be most affected and
how might new job opportunitiesarise as a result.

(01:01:27):
This is a good one for automatedvehicles, autonomous vehicles
okay, will change the economiclandscape because, I mean, if
you think about that, I meanthere are more than just the car
industry.
That's going to be effective ifyou're creating an autonomous
vehicle, because you havedevelopers, right, you have car

(01:01:48):
makers, I mean, and it'sdifferent than making a car.
I mean, look at the freakingCybertruck.
I mean it looks like a freakingrefrigerator on wheels, right,
it is the ugliest, freakingthing I've ever seen.
But it's got really cool techbuilt into it and it's it's mega
fast.
I mean, you put it in what isit called?
The desert mode?

(01:02:09):
Or what is that called?
Is it's?
There's a mode deeves islooking it up, but I think it's
called like Sahara mode ordesert mode or something, baja
mode.
It's called Baja mode.
You put it in, you go off road,you put it in Baja mode, you
floor it, right, and it frickinghauls ass on the dirt.
And there's a YouTube video thatI was referencing, I was

(01:02:31):
watching the other day, wherethey were like camping using
that built in that tent that yousee in the promo videos.
The tent basically sucks.
I mean there's an outlet a footaway from the base of the back
of the tent, yet the tent comeswith a big inflatable hand pump.
There is no automatic pump topump that tent up.

(01:02:55):
Automatic pump to pump thattent up when you watch it in the
promo video just kind ofmagically gets bigger right.
Yet you don't see what you haveto do.
To make it do that you got touse a hand pump.
I mean, hell, you're gonnathrow that much technology into
a truck and why not do it in thetent as well?
I mean they just kind of someother guy designed that tent

(01:03:15):
that didn't you know it was onthe same plane, probably a
company that got bought.
So what industries are going tochange in regards, you know,
economically, in regards toautonomous cars?

Sam The IT Guy (01:03:30):
I would assume deflation would end up being a
problem Because, if you thinkabout it, when we, when we're
cutting driving right, fullyautonomous driving, so that's
going to be unmanned 18 wheelers, like you mentioned um, that's
going to cut fuel cost, you know, labor costs for the drivers,
um, I mean time is probablygoing to stay about the same.

(01:03:52):
So I feel like it would createa natural decline in prices on
everything, because it would becheaper to ship at that point.

Tim Shoop (01:04:02):
I agree.
I think once battery technologyI mean battery technology is
the only thing keeping thesevehicles at such a high price.
It's just not there yet andwe'll talk about that on a
future segment of what if?

Sam The IT Guy (01:04:14):
Solid state batteries Stay tuned, stay tuned
.
Segment of what if, but solidstate batteries.

Deaves (01:04:17):
Stay tuned, stay tuned.
I can say that even in anindustry that I used to work in
moving houses was that we had topay insurance companies per
driver for our trucks.
If these trucks wereself-driving, it would almost be
you.
The price of the truck isbuilding that in.
So, yeah, that could be aninteresting bit that would
affect things down to even thatsmall.

(01:04:39):
You know the guys who deliverthe beer to gas stations.
They're no longer paying forthat service there.
So I mean, I'm not even surewhat would happen with car
insurance.

Tim Shoop (01:04:50):
I think the biggest industry that's going to get
affected, in my opinion, isgoing to be the blue-collar
Detroit car manufacturers.
I think they're, you know, yes,they're still going to exist,
but I think it's going to be theindependent, you know, the
Rivians, the Teslas, the youknow, and some of these other

(01:05:10):
emerging electric vehicles.
I think Fisker, they had- manyproblems.

Deaves (01:05:15):
It'll be interesting to see if the people who would work
on those lines then switch toworking on the bots that are on
the lines as maintainers.

Tim Shoop (01:05:26):
It takes a level of skill there and it's a different
level of skill.
So I think there might be ashift in the type of worker that
you have working at theseplants.
Shift in the type of workerthat you have working at these
plants, right?
Um, the others are gonna mightfall on hard times or they might
be at retirement age and it'llbe these younger workers coming
up that that want to take thosespots so it's a natural

(01:05:50):
evolution of technology, butalso a natural, natural
evolution of skilled people thatcome into the workplace and
evolve from there, absolutelyOkay.
So with that, we're going to goahead and introduce our last
beer.
Let's get a final toast andI'll do the outro.
Go ahead, deves.

Deaves (01:06:12):
Okay, so for our last beer we've got All Day IPA.
It is from Founder BrewingCompany and it is an all-day ipa
, naturally brewed with acomplex array of malts, grains,
hops for a balanced citrusyprofile, and a in a crisp, clean
finish yikes, yikes it's a uh,you know.

Sam The IT Guy (01:06:36):
What fruit was that supposed to be?

Tim Shoop (01:06:39):
Did you say a fruit, founder's Day?
Founder's Day, founder's Day.

Deaves (01:06:42):
Founder's Brewing Company.
Founder's Brewing.

Tim Shoop (01:06:44):
Company, but it says Founder's Day, I think on the
can that's an interesting one.
Let me get to toast to Sam theIT guy.
You've been great, sam the, theit guy.

Deaves (01:06:58):
Thank you for having.

Tim Shoop (01:06:58):
You guys need to keep a lookout for that video that
sam uh starred in.
He did a really great job.
Um, he gets attacked by zombies.
Uh, there's a lot ofinteresting things that happen
in that video.
Um, it's social uh circulatingon social hulu, youtube, and um,

(01:07:20):
you can check it out on digitalboardwalk tv on youtube.
If you just want to find itdirectly.

Sam The IT Guy (01:07:26):
It's worth a watch you can watch your own
unicycle night in action yeah,oh, he even rides a unit or
attempts to ride a unicycle.

Tim Shoop (01:07:34):
What I was on it didn't you get a concussion
making that video?
It was a small one, oh I sawthat I can't remember I saw the
workers

Deaves (01:07:43):
comp claim come in so you know.

Tim Shoop (01:07:45):
Uh, no, I'm kidding, ladies and gentlemen, but hey,
thank you for getting nerdy withus for a little bit and
welcoming sam, the it guy, toour every other episode segment
of what if on nerds on tap.
Ladies and gentlemen, staynerdy, stay aware and always

(01:08:06):
think about what if thingshappen in the future.

Sam The IT Guy (01:08:12):
Have a great day thank you and until next time,
stay nerdy and keep drinking.

Tim Shoop (01:08:19):
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