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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Block Talk Radius.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Hello everyone. My name is Kayden Bhan and I'm a
volunteer at New Heights Education. I've been volunteering with New
Heights for about two years now on various projects and
I'm very excited to start our first radio show and
I'm going to invite Pamela Clark now to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Hello. Thank you, Cayden. This Pamela Clark, and I'm founder
and director of New Heights. New Heights has created June
first of two thousand and six. However, I've been helping
families with their educational needs since two thousand and three.
New Heights provides educational tutoring, services and resources for all families,
regardless of school choice or beliefs. New Heights is a
(01:45):
national and international award winning organization that provides a one
stop shopping center for education. You can visit our site
to learn more at New Heights Education dot org. Thank
you Kayden for being willing to host the show for us.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's something I'm very very excited. Who are going to
start discussing the different types of educational choices and why
people make these choices. Handlin is going to introduce the
different types of educational choices that there.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Are, thank you, kayden. Okay. So first we'll start off
with homeschool. Homeschools where parents have full control over their
children's education and what they learn. These children often score
higher on standardized tests because of the individual attention that
they receive. And then charter school are the primary and
(02:35):
secondary schools that receive public money and like others, and
like other schools, may also receive private donations. They are
subject to some rules, regulations, statutes that apply to other
public schools, but generally have more flexibility than traditional schools.
And then there's public schools. Public schools or state schools
(02:57):
often known as public schools or government schools generally refer
to primary or secondary schools mandated for or offer to
all children by the government, whether national, regional, or local,
provided by an institution of civil government, and it is
paid for and whole or in part by public funding
(03:19):
or by taxation. And then we have the private schools.
Private schools can be independent schools or non state schools,
and they are not administered by local, state, or national government.
They retain the right to select their students, are funded
in whole or in part by charging their students tuition
(03:42):
rather than relying on mandatory taxation through public government funding.
Sometimes they're religious based and sometimes they're not religious based,
and they're usually more expensive than their public counterparts. And
then for high schoolers, we have trade or career academies
or trade schools as known in Ohio or Northwest Ohio.
(04:08):
These differ from traditional academic and vocational education because they
prepare school students for both college and careers. Academics provide
broad information about a field such as healthcare, finance, engineering, media,
or natural resources, and much more. They weave the themes
into academic curricula that qualify students for admission to four
(04:32):
year colleges or universities. Studies have found that students in
career academies perform better in high school and are more
likely to continue into post secondary education. Some actually know
do post secondary at the same time compared to similar
students in the same schools. Okay, so I'm going to
(04:54):
give it back over to Cayden.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well while we wait for more college. We wanted to
invite the audience to participate in explaining their choices for
whichever school or education that they chose for their children
or that they've experienced, and to explain why they chose
these different pathways in their education. However, we seem to
(05:19):
not have many callers at this time, so we can
go ahead and we can talk about how public schools
were started. We have an article here written by Sam Blumenfeldt,
and with panel's permission, I'm gonna go ahead and now
read it.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Alta share.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, Most Americans assume that we've always had public schools,
and that they came, and that they came with the
Constitution and are an indispensial part of our democratic system.
So nothing could be farther from the truth, as I
discovered when I wrote my book Is Public Education Necessary?
Published in nineteen eight. In writing that book, I wanted
(06:02):
to find out why the American people put education in
the hands of government so early in their history. I
was quite surprised to find that it had nothing to
do with economics or lack of literacy. It was the
result of a philosophical change in the minds of the
academic elite. The US Constitution does not mention education anywhere.
(06:22):
It was left up to the states, parents, religious denominations,
and school proprietors to deal with true in the early
days of New England, towns were required to maintain common
schools supported and controlled by the local citizenry. This had
been done to make sure that all the children learned
to read, so that they could read the Bible and
(06:44):
go on to higher education. But there was much homeschooling,
private tutoring, private private academies, school church schools, and Dame
schools for very young children. There are no compulsory school
attendance laws, and both centralized state control over the curriculum.
This system, or lack of it, produced a highly literate
(07:07):
population and could read the Federalist papers, the King James
version of the Bible, and everything else that was published.
All one has to do to is read a Farmer's
journal of those early days to realize the high level
of literacy that was enjoyed by the general population in
America prior to the advent of the public schools. What
(07:28):
changed all that was the change in the religious views
of the intellectual elite, centered at Harvard University, which had
been founded in sixteen thirty eight by Calvinists. By eighteen
oh five, religious liberalism in the form of the Unitarian
heresy had become so strong at Harvard that the Calvinists
(07:51):
were expelled from then on, Unitarianism reigned supreme at America's
foremost university, and its influence spread slowly over the world
rest of the academic world, the Unitarians no longer believed
in salvation through Christ, whom they considered to be a
great teacher, but not divine. Salvation was now to be
attained through an education controlled by government. Only government could
(08:14):
provide the kind of secular, non sectarian education that could
lead to reason based morale perfectibly for perfectibility, so believed
the Unitarians. The Unitarians also adopted the Prussian form of
state controlled education as their ideal model for America. Through
unrelenting propaganda, social fervor, and political action, they were able
(08:39):
to enact laws that formed the foundation of centralized and
state owned and controlled education throughout America. Compulsory school attendance
was then written into the constitutions of many New states,
thus ensuring the creation and maintenance of a permanent state
bureaucracy in control of education. By the eighteen seventies, public
(09:02):
school movement had triumphed and most private academies went out
of business. Also imported from Europe was the idea of
Helgilian statism. Excuse me, the idea that the States was
God on earth. It was this idea that emboldened educators
to believe that it was the state's duty to mold
(09:23):
its children, its most precious natural resource, into obedient servants
of the States. Finally, at the turn of the century,
the progressives became dominant. They were members of the Protestant
academic elite who no longer believed in the religion of
their fathers. They put their new faith in science, evolution,
and psychology. Science explained the material world, evolution explained the
(09:48):
origins of living matter, and psychology permitted a man to
scientifically study human nature and provided the scientific means to
control human beings. The Progressors were also socialists because they
had to deal with the problem of evil and decided
that the Bible was all wrong about man's innate depravity.
(10:08):
They believed that evil was caused by ignorance, poverty, and
social injustice, and that the main cause of social injustice
was our capitalist system, and so they embarked on a
messianic crusade to change America from a religious capitalist nation
into an atheist or humanist social nation. They decided that
(10:31):
the most effective way to attain their social utopia was
through public education, and so they began their great movement
of education form that changed their public schools into moral, social,
and academic the academic mess that they are today. The
formation of the U S Department of Education during the
Carter administration was the fulfillment of one hundred year dream
(10:53):
by the educators. With the passage of the Elementary and
Secondary Education Act of nineteen sixty five, they finally gained
unlimited access to the US Treasury. It is audious now
to anyone who has studied public education at any depth
that the system is taking us towards the new world
order in which UNESCO will become the world's government board
(11:15):
of education. That is why more and more parents are
beginning to realize that the public schools are not interested
in education, but in social chains and social control. A
government education system is basically incompatible with the values of
free society. Eventually, one or the other must go. This
is just one article written on education, and we would
(11:39):
love to hear what the audience thinks of this topic
in their opinions on public education and its effectiveness on
their students or themselves, if they have gone through education
before public education before.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Or even if they're homeschooled or charged who we'd like
to hear why they chose the type of schooling that
they chose, and what they would like to have it
as in resources or and helps, what they wish that
they could get, Like if they're homeschooled, you know exactly
(12:20):
what they're hoping for, either from public organizations or and
of it. You know, what do they need? What do
they need for their children's education?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Okay, let us open it to our first caller. Hi, Hello,
what's your name?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Hi? This is Maggie Spangler. I am co founder of
New Heights educational group Him.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Hey, Pam, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I'm doing pretty good?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Good. What do you think of the show so far?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I like it good. So why don't you tell us
you know, how you school your children and what you
believe and so forth.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, it's been a journey in progress. My oldest daughter
is eighteen, she's a senior this year. And I started
giving the idea to homeschool when she was probably maybe
three three years old. So I slowly read up on
(13:38):
it when I could, and you know, this is all
pre internet era, and I would read what I could
read what I could get my hands on. And I
slowly made a decision to homeschool, and that was based
on what I had seen in the home the school
public school system, and how I'd gotten slow worse since
(14:01):
I have been in high school or in public school.
And you know, there's more fighting, more drugs, bomb threats, bullying, fighting,
the introduction of sexual education at younger and younger ages.
(14:25):
And I also the fact that our own history of
our own country was slowly being changed before our very eyes,
and our children were not being taught the correct history
of their own country and of their own government. So
(14:46):
I have four children, and I've homeschooled for the last
how many years? Koana sixteen, yeah, sixteen years. And again,
like I said, my oldest Karna is a senior in
high school. My other daughter, Katherine, she's fourteen.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And she is in.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Sixth grade. My son Kyler is twelve, he's in seventh grade.
And I have a four year old Kaitlin who loves
imitating her older siblings. So she's pretty much doing preschool
and kindergarten level now in some first grade on her
(15:31):
own because she loves it. We think she's weird, but
she loves it. Though so.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
My go ahead of the school experience. Who you have
some of your kids are in charge school in summer
in home school, right.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes, yes, Karina, we actually did homeschool in our own
and then she actually did the Calvert curriculum for a
couple of years and then she went with a publics
or a charter school and she didn't like that. She's
(16:12):
always been very independent, loved doing more of the unit
study style herself where she could delve into subjects more
that she found interesting, and she was very driven, very independent,
and because of her personality, she could go off on
(16:33):
our own and do that style. My other daughter, Catherine,
she had off seizures when she was little, which has
caused several learning disabilities. We've had to go a different
route with her because I because of our family and
(16:53):
making the decision to homeschool. We are single family income
of fix, so we can't afford she would need in
the area of therapy. So I have made the decision
to go with a charter school for her since they
pay for her special education, tutoring, teachers, therapy, and they
(17:15):
help her wherever she needs also online when with extra classes,
and that seems to be doing very well. For her.
My son Kyler, he's done both. He's done homeschooling on
his own. He even tried the charter school, the same
charge school actually as Catherine, but he would get very bored,
(17:39):
very easily, because he'd have to sit on while he
would do online classes, and he'd have to sit and
listen to the teacher explain everything to all the other
students when he already knew the answer, and he'd get bored.
He gets distracted, loses focus, and you know how certain
children have very little, limited windows of opportunity to learn,
(18:03):
so it would be all downhill after that. So we
pretty much decided to go back to homeschooling him on
our own. That way, he could approach a unit style
version like his older sister because he likes that style too.
So we've pretty much done everything. Is just trying to
(18:25):
find what style works for your child, how they learn best,
and what they're interested in.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Do you wish that the charter school did anything a
little differently than what it does already?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Charter schools, bylaw in the state of Ohio have to
follow the same rules and regulations as the public school
system does, meaning they have to have nine hundred and
twenty hours they have. The students who are inter schools
have to take all of the state testing that is
required in public school and charter schools also push you
(19:11):
have to have a like for instance, the char school
Catherine's in right now, they already know, Okay, you start
at a certain date, if you do so many hours
a day to get your nine hundred and twenty hours,
then you should have so many hours by a certain
time frame of the year, and you should have so
much percentage of each subject done. And if you don't
(19:33):
have that, then you're going to be getting phone calls,
You're going to get in truancy letters, and then you
also have to prepare for their tests. You have study
island and all that. So when you have a child
that's like Tafforum, where she is a slower reader, it's
(19:54):
harder for her to process information because it takes her
longer and just she moves at a floor pace that
can be very difficult or discouraging at times. That's the
only negative thing right now that I've ever had with
(20:16):
the chartist law and guards to Catherine. So I end
up talking a lot with her teachers and telling them
where we're at. And majority of the time, they are
very willing to work with you, and as long as
they see that she's doing a steady progress every day
and improving, then they seem to be okay with that
(20:38):
because she does have an IEP and they do realize
where she's at.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So, is there anything that you wish that was provided
to you as a homeschooler that isn't Are you sure you.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Want to go there? Pam?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I know that New Heights offers a lot of services
to your family. I know that, but I know that
there are some things that maybe aren't covered. And I'd
like to ask a lot of homeschoolers that question.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I know a lot a.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Lot of homeschoolers have asked their public schools to be allowed,
you know, for their children to be allowed to come
in and do science experiments or sports or you know whatever,
and most of the time the answers know. But I
just wanted to ask you if there was maybe one
or two things that, in your opinion, you know, that
(21:39):
you wish that you know, would be.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Allowed right right, And that's kind of why I chuckled,
because I know where you're going. Yeah, that's and it's
kind of like a hot button for me. Because we
are still you know, you live in your area, you
(22:02):
are an as citizen of the city of Ohio, so
by law, you're required to pay school taxes. And even
though you make the personal decision to homeschool and you
don't send your child to public school, you're still required
to pay school taxes to your local school district. And
(22:27):
that just irritates me beyond belief because they're still getting
our tax dollars, but they're not allowing our children to
participate in certain extracurricular activities that they show an interest in.
And I really think that, you know, for homeschoolers, the
(22:47):
biggest part is sports or band, or music or theater,
because those are major areas that as a family you
can't financially provide for all the time. And if you
have a student that loves softball like Karina did and
(23:07):
was really good at it, once they hit sixth grade,
they're no longer allowed to participate in that sport. And
then you have a student that loves dance or music,
they're not allowed to participate in those activities. So I
think if there was some way that within legislature, within
(23:31):
a state of Ohio, that the homeschoolers in the public
school system could compromise or come together and come up
with an idea, a way to come together and say, okay, yes,
if you can work with us, then we will supply
(23:51):
what your child would desire in those areas without still
forcing them to go there eight hours a day.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I have a question for you. Yeah, Now, isn't that
sort of an outside view though, because most homeschoolers are Christian.
Maybe I shouldn't say most, but a lot, a large percent,
and a lot of them do not want any affiliation
with the public school. So is that something that you
feel that a lot of people that are homeschooled share,
(24:24):
or do you think you're a minority, or what's your
opinion of that.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I do know that there are many homeschool families that
do believe that as a Christian you should not be
of the world and that you should keep yourself separate
and not have anything to do at all whatsoever with
(24:54):
society and what they teach. But it also states, you know,
Jesus stayed in the Bible, we are to go and
spread the word. We are to be fishers of men.
We are to be the salt of the earth. The
salt was representing the Word of God, And how are
we to do that by living our lives the way
(25:14):
Christ wants us to? And how are we going to
do that when we separate and isolate ourselves. I do
know of several families that I'm friends with that are
considering on homeschooling that I don't think takes that extreme
(25:36):
of a view, but I do agree with them that
when your children are young and extremely impressionable, that's when
we do need to like homeschool like we are. We
have them out of the school system. We are teaching
them our views, our beliefs, trying to teach them as
(25:56):
much as we can't correctly about our country and what
we're rounded upon, and teaching them science or anything else
from a creationist point of view. And that's inappropriate. And
hopefully if we do that, by the time they reach
junior higher high school, they won't be so gullible or impressionable,
(26:22):
and they will have at least have been able to
develop on their own and become their own person and
not given so much to peer pressure.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah. Well, interesting view, and I think they're running out
of time, aren't we, Caden.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, but I just wanted to thank you so much
for you know, sharing your experiences and answering questions because
a lot of this stuff is new for me. Also
as a high school student who goes to a career academy,
you're technically kind of kind of a public school. And
(27:02):
so to see your view and to hear you know,
the situations that you've had and things that have been difficult,
it's you know, it's very opening and I'm able to
apply it to my experiences and so hopefully that's something
you know, we can continue on the next shows and
develop you know, more of what education means to us
and what's important and what we want our children to
(27:25):
get out of education.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, thank you very much for I'm sorry, go ahead,
and I.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Said, more feedback from the audience. Please, even if we
have a call, you can always call in and you
know you'd be the next caller in the queue, So
don't be afraid to call and voice your opinion across
the board no matter what school choice that you have
chosen for your family, we want to hear your view too.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Oh probably, thank you thanks for being our first caller.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Thank you you're quite welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, I have bye, Thank you bye. All right, Well,
so many interesting things brought up today, you know, as
far as public education versus homeschooling and the issues that
have definitely occurred with specifically, you know, the experience that
(28:26):
she had had with her public schools in this office. Yeah,
that she her children that she has in charge of
school had different experiences, a very good mix. And I'm
very happy that we had this opportunity, our first show,
to kind of introduce all these issues and all these
things and that we can talk about in the future shows.
(28:48):
And so I'm very very excited.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, me too. I think it was a good show.
So join us every Saturday at six pm to six
thirty pm. And we really falls in your opinions, mm hmm,
and don't be fine.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We we really enjoy having guests. Yes, we'll see you
hopefully next next Saturday around six o'clock. That's when our
next posts are. And have a good night.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Then. I am seen, waity.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Do you come.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And s wow with me?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You raised me up all I can stand on, Mom,
you raised me.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
To come stormy.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I am strong long when I am on your shoulder,
raise me up
Speaker 2 (30:09):
To morn
Block Talk Radius.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Hello everyone. My name is Kayden Bhan and I'm a
volunteer at New Heights Education. I've been volunteering with New
Heights for about two years now on various projects and
I'm very excited to start our first radio show and
I'm going to invite Pamela Clark now to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Hello. Thank you, Cayden. This Pamela Clark, and I'm founder
and director of New Heights. New Heights has created June
first of two thousand and six. However, I've been helping
families with their educational needs since two thousand and three.
New Heights provides educational tutoring, services and resources for all families,
regardless of school choice or beliefs. New Heights is a
(01:45):
national and international award winning organization that provides a one
stop shopping center for education. You can visit our site
to learn more at New Heights Education dot org. Thank
you Kayden for being willing to host the show for us.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's something I'm very very excited. Who are going to
start discussing the different types of educational choices and why
people make these choices. Handlin is going to introduce the
different types of educational choices that there.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Are, thank you, kayden. Okay. So first we'll start off
with homeschool. Homeschools where parents have full control over their
children's education and what they learn. These children often score
higher on standardized tests because of the individual attention that
they receive. And then charter school are the primary and
(02:35):
secondary schools that receive public money and like others, and
like other schools, may also receive private donations. They are
subject to some rules, regulations, statutes that apply to other
public schools, but generally have more flexibility than traditional schools.
And then there's public schools. Public schools or state schools
(02:57):
often known as public schools or government schools generally refer
to primary or secondary schools mandated for or offer to
all children by the government, whether national, regional, or local,
provided by an institution of civil government, and it is
paid for and whole or in part by public funding
(03:19):
or by taxation. And then we have the private schools.
Private schools can be independent schools or non state schools,
and they are not administered by local, state, or national government.
They retain the right to select their students, are funded
in whole or in part by charging their students tuition
(03:42):
rather than relying on mandatory taxation through public government funding.
Sometimes they're religious based and sometimes they're not religious based,
and they're usually more expensive than their public counterparts. And
then for high schoolers, we have trade or career academies
or trade schools as known in Ohio or Northwest Ohio.
(04:08):
These differ from traditional academic and vocational education because they
prepare school students for both college and careers. Academics provide
broad information about a field such as healthcare, finance, engineering, media,
or natural resources, and much more. They weave the themes
into academic curricula that qualify students for admission to four
(04:32):
year colleges or universities. Studies have found that students in
career academies perform better in high school and are more
likely to continue into post secondary education. Some actually know
do post secondary at the same time compared to similar
students in the same schools. Okay, so I'm going to
(04:54):
give it back over to Cayden.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well while we wait for more college. We wanted to
invite the audience to participate in explaining their choices for
whichever school or education that they chose for their children
or that they've experienced, and to explain why they chose
these different pathways in their education. However, we seem to
(05:19):
not have many callers at this time, so we can
go ahead and we can talk about how public schools
were started. We have an article here written by Sam Blumenfeldt,
and with panel's permission, I'm gonna go ahead and now
read it.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Alta share.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, Most Americans assume that we've always had public schools,
and that they came, and that they came with the
Constitution and are an indispensial part of our democratic system.
So nothing could be farther from the truth, as I
discovered when I wrote my book Is Public Education Necessary?
Published in nineteen eight. In writing that book, I wanted
(06:02):
to find out why the American people put education in
the hands of government so early in their history. I
was quite surprised to find that it had nothing to
do with economics or lack of literacy. It was the
result of a philosophical change in the minds of the
academic elite. The US Constitution does not mention education anywhere.
(06:22):
It was left up to the states, parents, religious denominations,
and school proprietors to deal with true in the early
days of New England, towns were required to maintain common
schools supported and controlled by the local citizenry. This had
been done to make sure that all the children learned
to read, so that they could read the Bible and
(06:44):
go on to higher education. But there was much homeschooling,
private tutoring, private private academies, school church schools, and Dame
schools for very young children. There are no compulsory school
attendance laws, and both centralized state control over the curriculum.
This system, or lack of it, produced a highly literate
(07:07):
population and could read the Federalist papers, the King James
version of the Bible, and everything else that was published.
All one has to do to is read a Farmer's
journal of those early days to realize the high level
of literacy that was enjoyed by the general population in
America prior to the advent of the public schools. What
(07:28):
changed all that was the change in the religious views
of the intellectual elite, centered at Harvard University, which had
been founded in sixteen thirty eight by Calvinists. By eighteen
oh five, religious liberalism in the form of the Unitarian
heresy had become so strong at Harvard that the Calvinists
(07:51):
were expelled from then on, Unitarianism reigned supreme at America's
foremost university, and its influence spread slowly over the world
rest of the academic world, the Unitarians no longer believed
in salvation through Christ, whom they considered to be a
great teacher, but not divine. Salvation was now to be
attained through an education controlled by government. Only government could
(08:14):
provide the kind of secular, non sectarian education that could
lead to reason based morale perfectibly for perfectibility, so believed
the Unitarians. The Unitarians also adopted the Prussian form of
state controlled education as their ideal model for America. Through
unrelenting propaganda, social fervor, and political action, they were able
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to enact laws that formed the foundation of centralized and
state owned and controlled education throughout America. Compulsory school attendance
was then written into the constitutions of many New states,
thus ensuring the creation and maintenance of a permanent state
bureaucracy in control of education. By the eighteen seventies, public
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school movement had triumphed and most private academies went out
of business. Also imported from Europe was the idea of
Helgilian statism. Excuse me, the idea that the States was
God on earth. It was this idea that emboldened educators
to believe that it was the state's duty to mold
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its children, its most precious natural resource, into obedient servants
of the States. Finally, at the turn of the century,
the progressives became dominant. They were members of the Protestant
academic elite who no longer believed in the religion of
their fathers. They put their new faith in science, evolution,
and psychology. Science explained the material world, evolution explained the
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origins of living matter, and psychology permitted a man to
scientifically study human nature and provided the scientific means to
control human beings. The Progressors were also socialists because they
had to deal with the problem of evil and decided
that the Bible was all wrong about man's innate depravity.
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They believed that evil was caused by ignorance, poverty, and
social injustice, and that the main cause of social injustice
was our capitalist system, and so they embarked on a
messianic crusade to change America from a religious capitalist nation
into an atheist or humanist social nation. They decided that
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the most effective way to attain their social utopia was
through public education, and so they began their great movement
of education form that changed their public schools into moral, social,
and academic the academic mess that they are today. The
formation of the U S Department of Education during the
Carter administration was the fulfillment of one hundred year dream
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by the educators. With the passage of the Elementary and
Secondary Education Act of nineteen sixty five, they finally gained
unlimited access to the US Treasury. It is audious now
to anyone who has studied public education at any depth
that the system is taking us towards the new world
order in which UNESCO will become the world's government board
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of education. That is why more and more parents are
beginning to realize that the public schools are not interested
in education, but in social chains and social control. A
government education system is basically incompatible with the values of
free society. Eventually, one or the other must go. This
is just one article written on education, and we would
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love to hear what the audience thinks of this topic
in their opinions on public education and its effectiveness on
their students or themselves, if they have gone through education
before public education before.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Or even if they're homeschooled or charged who we'd like
to hear why they chose the type of schooling that
they chose, and what they would like to have it
as in resources or and helps, what they wish that
they could get, Like if they're homeschooled, you know exactly
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what they're hoping for, either from public organizations or and
of it. You know, what do they need? What do
they need for their children's education?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Okay, let us open it to our first caller. Hi, Hello,
what's your name?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Hi? This is Maggie Spangler. I am co founder of
New Heights educational group Him.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Hey, Pam, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I'm doing pretty good?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Good. What do you think of the show so far?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I like it good. So why don't you tell us
you know, how you school your children and what you
believe and so forth.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well, it's been a journey in progress. My oldest daughter
is eighteen, she's a senior this year. And I started
giving the idea to homeschool when she was probably maybe
three three years old. So I slowly read up on
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it when I could, and you know, this is all
pre internet era, and I would read what I could
read what I could get my hands on. And I
slowly made a decision to homeschool, and that was based
on what I had seen in the home the school
public school system, and how I'd gotten slow worse since
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I have been in high school or in public school.
And you know, there's more fighting, more drugs, bomb threats, bullying, fighting,
the introduction of sexual education at younger and younger ages.
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And I also the fact that our own history of
our own country was slowly being changed before our very eyes,
and our children were not being taught the correct history
of their own country and of their own government. So
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I have four children, and I've homeschooled for the last
how many years? Koana sixteen, yeah, sixteen years. And again,
like I said, my oldest Karna is a senior in
high school. My other daughter, Katherine, she's fourteen.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
And she is in.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Sixth grade. My son Kyler is twelve, he's in seventh grade.
And I have a four year old Kaitlin who loves
imitating her older siblings. So she's pretty much doing preschool
and kindergarten level now in some first grade on her
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own because she loves it. We think she's weird, but
she loves it. Though so.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
My go ahead of the school experience. Who you have
some of your kids are in charge school in summer
in home school, right.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes, yes, Karina, we actually did homeschool in our own
and then she actually did the Calvert curriculum for a
couple of years and then she went with a publics
or a charter school and she didn't like that. She's
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always been very independent, loved doing more of the unit
study style herself where she could delve into subjects more
that she found interesting, and she was very driven, very independent,
and because of her personality, she could go off on
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our own and do that style. My other daughter, Catherine,
she had off seizures when she was little, which has
caused several learning disabilities. We've had to go a different
route with her because I because of our family and
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making the decision to homeschool. We are single family income
of fix, so we can't afford she would need in
the area of therapy. So I have made the decision
to go with a charter school for her since they
pay for her special education, tutoring, teachers, therapy, and they
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help her wherever she needs also online when with extra classes,
and that seems to be doing very well. For her.
My son Kyler, he's done both. He's done homeschooling on
his own. He even tried the charter school, the same
charge school actually as Catherine, but he would get very bored,
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very easily, because he'd have to sit on while he
would do online classes, and he'd have to sit and
listen to the teacher explain everything to all the other
students when he already knew the answer, and he'd get bored.
He gets distracted, loses focus, and you know how certain
children have very little, limited windows of opportunity to learn,
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so it would be all downhill after that. So we
pretty much decided to go back to homeschooling him on
our own. That way, he could approach a unit style
version like his older sister because he likes that style too.
So we've pretty much done everything. Is just trying to
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find what style works for your child, how they learn best,
and what they're interested in.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Do you wish that the charter school did anything a
little differently than what it does already?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Charter schools, bylaw in the state of Ohio have to
follow the same rules and regulations as the public school
system does, meaning they have to have nine hundred and
twenty hours they have. The students who are inter schools
have to take all of the state testing that is
required in public school and charter schools also push you
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have to have a like for instance, the char school
Catherine's in right now, they already know, Okay, you start
at a certain date, if you do so many hours
a day to get your nine hundred and twenty hours,
then you should have so many hours by a certain
time frame of the year, and you should have so
much percentage of each subject done. And if you don't
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have that, then you're going to be getting phone calls,
You're going to get in truancy letters, and then you
also have to prepare for their tests. You have study
island and all that. So when you have a child
that's like Tafforum, where she is a slower reader, it's
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harder for her to process information because it takes her
longer and just she moves at a floor pace that
can be very difficult or discouraging at times. That's the
only negative thing right now that I've ever had with
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the chartist law and guards to Catherine. So I end
up talking a lot with her teachers and telling them
where we're at. And majority of the time, they are
very willing to work with you, and as long as
they see that she's doing a steady progress every day
and improving, then they seem to be okay with that
(20:38):
because she does have an IEP and they do realize
where she's at.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
So, is there anything that you wish that was provided
to you as a homeschooler that isn't Are you sure you.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Want to go there? Pam?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I know that New Heights offers a lot of services
to your family. I know that, but I know that
there are some things that maybe aren't covered. And I'd
like to ask a lot of homeschoolers that question.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I know a lot a.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Lot of homeschoolers have asked their public schools to be allowed,
you know, for their children to be allowed to come
in and do science experiments or sports or you know whatever,
and most of the time the answers know. But I
just wanted to ask you if there was maybe one
or two things that, in your opinion, you know, that
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you wish that you know, would be.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Allowed right right, And that's kind of why I chuckled,
because I know where you're going. Yeah, that's and it's
kind of like a hot button for me. Because we
are still you know, you live in your area, you
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are an as citizen of the city of Ohio, so
by law, you're required to pay school taxes. And even
though you make the personal decision to homeschool and you
don't send your child to public school, you're still required
to pay school taxes to your local school district. And
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that just irritates me beyond belief because they're still getting
our tax dollars, but they're not allowing our children to
participate in certain extracurricular activities that they show an interest in.
And I really think that, you know, for homeschoolers, the
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biggest part is sports or band, or music or theater,
because those are major areas that as a family you
can't financially provide for all the time. And if you
have a student that loves softball like Karina did and
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was really good at it, once they hit sixth grade,
they're no longer allowed to participate in that sport. And
then you have a student that loves dance or music,
they're not allowed to participate in those activities. So I
think if there was some way that within legislature, within
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a state of Ohio, that the homeschoolers in the public
school system could compromise or come together and come up
with an idea, a way to come together and say, okay, yes,
if you can work with us, then we will supply
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what your child would desire in those areas without still
forcing them to go there eight hours a day.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I have a question for you. Yeah, Now, isn't that
sort of an outside view though, because most homeschoolers are Christian.
Maybe I shouldn't say most, but a lot, a large percent,
and a lot of them do not want any affiliation
with the public school. So is that something that you
feel that a lot of people that are homeschooled share,
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or do you think you're a minority, or what's your
opinion of that.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I do know that there are many homeschool families that
do believe that as a Christian you should not be
of the world and that you should keep yourself separate
and not have anything to do at all whatsoever with
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society and what they teach. But it also states, you know,
Jesus stayed in the Bible, we are to go and
spread the word. We are to be fishers of men.
We are to be the salt of the earth. The
salt was representing the Word of God, And how are
we to do that by living our lives the way
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Christ wants us to? And how are we going to
do that when we separate and isolate ourselves. I do
know of several families that I'm friends with that are
considering on homeschooling that I don't think takes that extreme
(25:36):
of a view, but I do agree with them that
when your children are young and extremely impressionable, that's when
we do need to like homeschool like we are. We
have them out of the school system. We are teaching
them our views, our beliefs, trying to teach them as
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much as we can't correctly about our country and what
we're rounded upon, and teaching them science or anything else
from a creationist point of view. And that's inappropriate. And
hopefully if we do that, by the time they reach
junior higher high school, they won't be so gullible or impressionable,
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and they will have at least have been able to
develop on their own and become their own person and
not given so much to peer pressure.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah. Well, interesting view, and I think they're running out
of time, aren't we, Caden.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, but I just wanted to thank you so much
for you know, sharing your experiences and answering questions because
a lot of this stuff is new for me. Also
as a high school student who goes to a career academy,
you're technically kind of kind of a public school. And
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so to see your view and to hear you know,
the situations that you've had and things that have been difficult,
it's you know, it's very opening and I'm able to
apply it to my experiences and so hopefully that's something
you know, we can continue on the next shows and
develop you know, more of what education means to us
and what's important and what we want our children to
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get out of education.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, thank you very much for I'm sorry, go ahead,
and I.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Said, more feedback from the audience. Please, even if we
have a call, you can always call in and you
know you'd be the next caller in the queue, So
don't be afraid to call and voice your opinion across
the board no matter what school choice that you have
chosen for your family, we want to hear your view too.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
And thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Oh probably, thank you thanks for being our first caller.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Thank you you're quite welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, I have bye, Thank you bye. All right, Well,
so many interesting things brought up today, you know, as
far as public education versus homeschooling and the issues that
have definitely occurred with specifically, you know, the experience that
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she had had with her public schools in this office. Yeah,
that she her children that she has in charge of
school had different experiences, a very good mix. And I'm
very happy that we had this opportunity, our first show,
to kind of introduce all these issues and all these
things and that we can talk about in the future shows.
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And so I'm very very excited.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, me too. I think it was a good show.
So join us every Saturday at six pm to six
thirty pm. And we really falls in your opinions, mm hmm,
and don't be fine.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
We we really enjoy having guests. Yes, we'll see you
hopefully next next Saturday around six o'clock. That's when our
next posts are. And have a good night.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Then. I am seen, waity.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Do you come.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And s wow with me?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You raised me up all I can stand on, Mom,
you raised me.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
To come stormy.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I am strong long when I am on your shoulder,
raise me up
Speaker 2 (30:09):
To morn
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