January 26, 2013 • 30 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Lot host radio.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hello everyone, my name is Kaden Bhan and I'm a
volunteer for New Heights Educational I'm a volunteer and I've
worked on various projects for New Heights in the past,
and I'm very excited to now co host our new
radio series. Now, I introduced Pamla Clark, the founder of
New Heights Education.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hello, the Samily Clark, founder and director of New Heights
Educational Group. Today we're going to be discussing statistics and
teachers and guns.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
First South, I would like to discuss some statistics from
a report on the Board of Education in Ohio. According
to the task Force report to the State Board of Education,
each year, it is estimated that forty thousand Ohio students
drop out of high school, representing approximately one third of
(01:32):
all who begin high school. A new study by the
University of Cincinnati Economics Center for Education and Research found
that there were nearly seven hundred and fifty thousand high
school dropouts statewide. Only forty seven out of every hundred
Ohio dropouts are unemployed, compared to seventy of every one
(01:53):
hundred high school graduates in Ohio. For each would be
dropout that finishes high school, the government saves an estimated
two thousand, two hundred forty dollars each year in public
assistance costs. Dropouts are two times more likely to be
incarcerated than our high school graduates. Each year, about forty
(02:15):
thousand young Ohians drop out of school, dramatically reducing their
chances for well paying jobs and increasing their chances of poverty, dependency,
and incarceration. On average, each student failing to graduate from
high school will end up costing Ohio tax payers three thousand,
nine hundred and nine dollars per year from age sixteen
(02:36):
through sixty four, or one hundred thousand, nine ninety one
and four hundred sixty six dollars over a lifetime. The
cost to taxpayers of each of each year's new class
of forty thousand dropouts in Ohio is about one hundred million,
(02:57):
fifty six thousand, fifty six sorry one hundred and fifty
six million, three hundred and fifty thousand annually, Not counting
the ones already living off the system, it would cost
us two hundred and twenty three thousand, six hundred and
twenty dollars to open our doors. This is with salaries
(03:18):
and everything we need to tutor people in every subject
in age, including adults. This makes more sense than continuing
to pay for our government to support the same bad
habits year after year.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Thank you, Kayden. I guess we'll go on and we'll
start talking about the teachers and guns. But if you
would like to call in about the statistics and give
your feedback and how you feel about the numbers that
we shared with you, and maybe even share some of
your own, please feel free to do that. I have
(03:55):
an article here that's titled Teachers and Guns, and the
us AT News put it out on January thirteenth, twenty thirteen.
I'm not going to read the whole thing, to share
a little bit, and then we'll open the phone lines
for the statistics if someone who has something to say
about that, and then the teachers and guns also, we
(04:16):
want people to call in. Following the tragic shooting of
twenty six students, teachers, and administrators in Newton, Connecticut, nearly
everyone has an opinion about gun control and how to
improve safety in the nation's schools. In response to the massacre,
NRA President David Keane called for armed guards in every school,
(04:38):
either police officers or private security guards. Associated press recently
reported that Ohio Attorney Attorney General Mike DeWine joined forces
with the Ohio Department of Education to announce the expansion
of concealed handgun training to teachers and school administrators. Dwine
(04:58):
pointed out the Wine pointed out, though, that the decision
is up to each school board. Our local Board of
Education has made the decision to armed staff members, and
this is Mount Pillier exempted village schools, So it's already
being discussed in our area, but they're leaving it up
(05:21):
to you know, individual school boards. We want to hear
your feedback on what you think of this. I would
also like to just add that my son and I,
my youngest son and I were SERT members Community Emergency
Response Team members, and we're people that you know are
(05:46):
usually called in if there's a disaster or something like that.
And this year's training starts off right away with how
to handle shootings between cops and people that are doing
the shooting, if we have something happen in our own area,
or if we're in a situation. Everything across the board
(06:09):
that starts offering right off the from the beginning of
the year has to do with training us out handle
these situations. So it's going much farther than just you know,
talking about it in the schools. They're training people in
a more local you know, regular citizens like my son
and I to combat these issues. To I thought that
(06:32):
was interesting when we received the invite for that training.
So if anyone would like to call in and give
their feedback, we would love to hear from you. We
had some other articles we can share two while we
were waiting on people to call in.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yes we do. We have one also relating to guns
in school in the sense of a toy gun, a
paper gun. Melanie valentin In, a fifth grader in Philadelphia
was removed from class after pulling out a paper gun
in school. Now, the six year old had this paper
(07:14):
in her bag and was getting up to go throw
it away when a student, a fellow student saw it
and reported her to the teachers. The student was then
pulled out of class and reprimanded by the principal and
the teacher, and felt that she was prosecuted unjustly for
(07:35):
just an instant, you know, a paper gun. Now that
the sensitivity to guns in school is so large at
this point, so now the parents of this child, Melanie
valentinin are furious at the way that she was yelled
at and recommended. The child was said to me having
(07:57):
nightmares of the incident, and she's, I have said, with
what happened at school, and so it's open to discussion.
For you know, when reading the comments of the news article,
many people understand the sensitivity to the gun issue in school,
but for something like this is definitely way out of proportion.
(08:19):
Most people seem to agree.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I love what.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You may think the audience may think about something like
this happening to your child.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, actually too, I had watched the video on that
little girl that you're talking about, and her classmates were
calling her a murderer, and the teacher pulled her to
the front of the class and reader the riot act,
I mean, really humiliated her. And after that was when
(08:54):
they started to call her a murderer. So it's a
lot more I mean, this little girls having nightmares after
that happened. But the school will not has not answered
any questions, not even to the school board. They didn't
even answer questions to the school board last time I heard,
which was really interesting because if you don't even answer
(09:16):
the calls from the school board, it just struck me
as odd. So also we have you know, I've talked
to some people that you know, they believe, hey, you know,
if if the teachers do need to be armed, they
believe that. And they do believe though, that the teachers
(09:38):
really need to be trained. I'd like to hear people's
take on that too, what they think about not only
the teachers having a gun, but obviously I mean, you'd
think common sense would be training. But what kind of
training should they have? I mean I heard I heard
(09:59):
often on over time. You know, we hear these little
things about a husband and wife going and getting training
to have a gun in their home, and and at
the training the wife or no, the husband shot his
wife by accident, right, And so I think, you know,
(10:22):
sometimes it's like some people just do not need to
be around guns at all. If they're you know, there's
just some people that shouldn't be, but don't know they
have the right training. M that would make more sense.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, And I was also thinking, you know, how how
for some parents they might be concerned with how safe
it is to have their children exposed to you know,
increasing the accessibility of guns. You know, how well will
they will the teachers be able to keep the guns
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from the students. You know, that's just another source that
could be a source of concern for the parents to
have that access. But it looks so you have a caller,
So let's welcome. Hello, how are you? Who's this?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You're on air? Hello, it's Maggie.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Hi, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Hikam?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Hello? So you're calling in to discuss statistics or the
teacher gun or both. Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Pretty much guns being introduced into the public schools.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Okay, go and share your opinion with us. They'd like
to know.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I know a lot of people are against guns in
school systems, and I know a lot of people are
having meetric reactions to what just happened not too long ago.
And I mean, we've been seen in increasing trends over
the last ten years or more of more and more
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school shootings. In the past, it's generally been contained to
high schools and colleges. That doesn't make it any less tragic.
But what made this latest one even worse is they
were elementary school kids, ages six or seven years old.
(12:40):
We have a lot our society is becoming more degenerated,
a lot of copycats, a lot of people who are
speaking their five minutes of same. It could be people
who are screaming for help and don't know what to do,
(13:01):
where to go, or they who knows how their brains think,
how they get hold of guns. Every situation is different.
It's not guns that are evil, it's the person that
pulls the trigger. Guns are an inadamate object. They cannot
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think and operate on their own. They can only do
so wants a human being. It's holding the object, the gun. Yeah,
because of personally, I believe we have the right to
defend ourselves. We have the right to bear arms. It
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says so even in our constitution. Our forefathers specifically put
that in our constitution so its future generations could protect themselves,
whether it be from England or from anybody else. Because
any population that is easily just aft forward, any population
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that's easily removed as any possibility of protecting themselves or
defending themselves is easily conquered. Now for what is happening
in our school systems, they are easy targets because there's
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no way to defend yourself in the past, we've never had.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
To deal with this before.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
While society, like I said, is changing, and me personally,
I think that certain. I don't know if it should
be teachers, if it should be other personnel. It's hired
for this extreme, this simple purpose. If that's the case,
that's extra financing or extra money that the school districts
(15:02):
have to come up with to pay these people.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
And they're usually not too willing to spend extra.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, And they're financially and be trouble to begin with too.
So if they don't hire someone, that means they have
to go with someone that's already within their schools, already
working there. And if they pouse teachers, I have no
problem with whoever with them going through stringent, trusting background checks.
(15:32):
I have a cousin who lies down in Dayton, and
he is an NRA certified teacher. He goes around and
he trains and teaches people how to shoot shotguns, handguns, pistols,
whatever certifies them. He also trains them and how to
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properly handle them safety. And the NRI will not just
sort off on anyone to go out and teach this. Also,
these people that are certified trainers and teachers will not
just go out and certify anyone. They have to pass
a very strict yeah, and certain criteria because the NRA
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is just not going to stick their name out there
and for anybody you have to pass what they set up.
And he has already started teaching and training and certifying teachers.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Oh wow, okay that quickly. It's interesting that you bring
that up because another article I have, and and a
lot happened since the Newtown shootings. And if anybody talks about,
you know, not wanting gun control, or if anybody voices
an opinion that's pro gun at all, you know, they're
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they're made to feel like, how dare you? Children were
just killed? And I think this is sort of interesting.
But there was a I don't know what survey it was,
but recently there was a poll take and I wasn't asked,
and I'm sure a lot of other people weren't asked too.
It's from the Atlantic Atlantic Wire by JK. Trotter, and
(17:17):
they said that twenty seven percent think teachers should carry
guns in that sense the new Town shootings. So and
oh something else I wanted to share. Let me see
if we have any other callers, No, we don't. One
of the other things recently, there was a survey that
I took for should Obama's gun band be approved, and
(17:43):
not to talk about Obama. We're a nonprofit. We don't
do the political part of it. But this was just
a survey this and it showed the numbers of you know,
how people feel about guns, and I wanted to share
some of these percentages. Is that should the federal government
regulate guns of any type? One hundred and ninety nine thousand,
(18:06):
two hundred and seventy six people say yes, that's twenty
eight percent. And then the people that said no, they
shouldn't regulate the guns five hundred and ten thousand, two
hundred and ninety eight to say we should not regulate guns.
And then it said should Congress ban semi automatic weapons?
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One hundred and fifty eight thousand and three said yes.
That said that's twenty two percent of the vote, and
then no, the nose were five hundred and fifty four thousand,
four hundred and fifty five and then uh, that said
if Congress does not act, should the President use an
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executive order to ban or strictly control the cell of
semi automatic weapons? One hundred and forty three one thousand
and eighty five said yes, and five hundred and sixty
eight thousand, four hundred and sixty seven said no. And
then last question that was asked, do you agree that
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the Second Amendment gives citizens the right to own and
bear arms without infringement? Five hundred and eighty two thousand
and forty six said yes that they agreed, and one
hundred and thirty thousand and twenty people said no, that
they disagreed. So they try to make us think that
(19:36):
this is abnormal to think that we have a right
to guns. But when a survey is taken, we see
that it's like in the twenty percentile, the seventy five
percent or more of people say don't mess with our
Second Amendment. I thought those are very interesting numbers from
(19:57):
a survey. So what do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Well, I mean I have a question to both you
and Maggie. Yes, how do you feel safer? Well, I
know that you have some children that are homeschooled, so
you might not necessarily have to worry in some circumstances.
But for for Maggie, I know you have a couple
(20:26):
of children in Tartar school. Do you feel would you
feel safer with the teachers having guns and sending your
children to school where the teachers are able to carry
concealed weapons.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
UH mean personally, Yeah, especially if a teacher has been
uh certified and trained, whether it be by NRA certified
trainer or buy someone else through police force or whoever. Generally,
(21:04):
the NRI is the biggest one out there because they
are extremely pro gun and uh not just pro gun.
They want to educate and they want to teach, and
they want to train, and they want to certify, and
(21:24):
I would do because of how our society is, the
direction it's going, and the more and more shootings we've had,
and now it's encroaching upon elementary schools, and I'm sure
we're going to see more of this coming because of copycats.
That if we have teachers in those classrooms who have
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been stringently trained and know the drill and know what
to do, and they can first take care of the
children and hide them protect them. However, they have that
set up in their training and they have a place
to put them, and then if need be, if the
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whoever is attacking that school comes close to their room,
comes into their room. I mean, if you know the
high ground points so to speak, in your room and
you're prepared and your kids are hidden, all that person
has to do is walk through that door. You've got
one good shot, They're done, and your children are safe.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, it's I think that in a lot of the
classrooms more modern day, there there really is not a
safe place, or there's not a place to escort the kids.
I think the classrooms these days are pretty open. Okay,
So I mean that's a good point I hadn't thought about,
you know, because usually there is no warning, there's shots.
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You hear shots, and then you have very little time
to react. Might as well to get the kids any place.
So when they come into the room, the sides hiding
behind their own death, you know, what kind of chances
do they really have if there's no one armed in
that room? But I think that you know, gosh, I
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mean you even think about the movie theater shootings. I
mean that guy he had bulletproof ess on, from my understanding,
and some other protective gear. They'd have to be a
pretty good shot and have some pretty good training to
come up against what some of these people do.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And yeah, that's true too, but at least it gives them,
I guess, someone of a fighting chance. And again I
guess it would detend, like you said, the layout of
the classrooms had changed, the layout of the buildings had
changed since you and I were in school. I guess, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Well even back then, I don't in the place to
go and hide necessarily thinking back at the schools I
was at, you know, the classes were open, filled with chairs,
there's stockboard and maybe a bookshelf, depending on where you
were at. And really I have.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'm sorry. I have several people I know that there
are our church that are school teachers. And I was
listening in on a conversation a while ago amongst some
of these school teachers, and they were talking about some
of the new things that aren't being instituted even in
(24:44):
our area now, like at Arizelt Nora and Defiance is
soon going to be implementing the guns. They're looking at
certified and training teachers to carry, and they're looking at
the idea of instituting this within their school systems, how
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they're going to go about doing it, who they're going
to have to do it.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I know.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
One of the also the things that they're looking at
and trying to figure out how to do is a
lot of these schools don't have ways to communicate with
every single classroom because there are no phones. The easiest
and simplest way is the PA systems, So they're trying
to figure out how to you know, something like this
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would happen to just environmentally turn on the PA system
so everybody all over the school can hear it and
react know what to do.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Okay, what do you think, Cayden, you're in public school?
Do you think you would you feel safer?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
How do you I think that it's a good idea
in theory, but like with everything else, I definitely want
proof of, you know, the training, that it's very extensive
training because most you know, most of the teachers that
I know in my school, most people come off the
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street that don't own guns personally, won't have any experience
with guns, you know, And so I would definitely, you know,
the training would definitely need to be up to par
as much as they claim it's going to be. I
wouldn't necessarily mind teachers having guns so long as they
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are well trained. The only thing I would worry about
is that the accessibility to guns will be much higher
I think for the students because they all know that
every teacher has one, so then you know, how they're busy.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Would it be.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
For them to be able to get that from the teacher.
So that's the only thing I would be concerned about
in that case.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, they definitely would have to have it, just like
in a home. You know, a parent's re responsible for
any gun that's in their home, and you hear of
children getting a hold of a gun and shooting theirselves
or a friend. And it's the same in the public school.
You know that whoever has that gun in their possession,
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they have to have it locked up, especially when there's
kids around. But then that raises a whole another thing.
Where is it locked up at? Is it locked up
in a desk? Because a desk isn't that secure you.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Know during an emergency?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, that fast, because they have to worry about moving kids,
and then they have to worry about getting into that
box when you're talking second, someone's coming down the hall.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's why I think it should be concealed chary that
we it's constantly on the teacher's body. It eliminates the
possibility of a student getting it unless they physically wrestle
the teacher and rip off the teacher. Also, it eliminates
the wasted time it would take to get the gun
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out of a locked secured area time that could be
used either defending yourself or securing the children or both.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Right, because it raises a lot of questions out of
things that need to consider. If this is the direction
that public schools want to go in, that's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well then I know there are a lot of questions
that the schools are asking too to try and figure
out what to do. And I know, like here in
our area, that's some of the things that they're asking
Because if you do concealed carry, none of the students
will know which teachers are caring in which ones aren't,
and they're not going to announce it that way. It's
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your troublemaker. Kids so to speak, are less likely to
try and swipe the gun. Also, it's compealed, Carrie, it's
constantly on their person, easier access, quicker response, and whoever
enters the school with that intent will not know who's
armed and who isn't.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
All right, we have one minute love for the show,
so and to thank you for calling in, Maggie, and
it's open for more callers sometime in the future, hopefully
next week. Next week's show will be on special needs
and actually Maggie Spangler will be back as co host.
(29:45):
I won't be on the show during this one, but
again love to hear from people and hope you can
tune in next Saturday some time. Gayden Tuck six the clause.
Thank you, Maggie, thank you guys, Thanks Maigan. Hi all
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right bye, so last eight seconds, so thank you again
for joining us, and have a good night when I
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am unto my soul. Soul
Lot host radio.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Hello everyone, my name is Kaden Bhan and I'm a
volunteer for New Heights Educational I'm a volunteer and I've
worked on various projects for New Heights in the past,
and I'm very excited to now co host our new
radio series. Now, I introduced Pamla Clark, the founder of
New Heights Education.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hello, the Samily Clark, founder and director of New Heights
Educational Group. Today we're going to be discussing statistics and
teachers and guns.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
First South, I would like to discuss some statistics from
a report on the Board of Education in Ohio. According
to the task Force report to the State Board of Education,
each year, it is estimated that forty thousand Ohio students
drop out of high school, representing approximately one third of
(01:32):
all who begin high school. A new study by the
University of Cincinnati Economics Center for Education and Research found
that there were nearly seven hundred and fifty thousand high
school dropouts statewide. Only forty seven out of every hundred
Ohio dropouts are unemployed, compared to seventy of every one
(01:53):
hundred high school graduates in Ohio. For each would be
dropout that finishes high school, the government saves an estimated
two thousand, two hundred forty dollars each year in public
assistance costs. Dropouts are two times more likely to be
incarcerated than our high school graduates. Each year, about forty
(02:15):
thousand young Ohians drop out of school, dramatically reducing their
chances for well paying jobs and increasing their chances of poverty, dependency,
and incarceration. On average, each student failing to graduate from
high school will end up costing Ohio tax payers three thousand,
nine hundred and nine dollars per year from age sixteen
(02:36):
through sixty four, or one hundred thousand, nine ninety one
and four hundred sixty six dollars over a lifetime. The
cost to taxpayers of each of each year's new class
of forty thousand dropouts in Ohio is about one hundred million,
(02:57):
fifty six thousand, fifty six sorry one hundred and fifty
six million, three hundred and fifty thousand annually, Not counting
the ones already living off the system, it would cost
us two hundred and twenty three thousand, six hundred and
twenty dollars to open our doors. This is with salaries
(03:18):
and everything we need to tutor people in every subject
in age, including adults. This makes more sense than continuing
to pay for our government to support the same bad
habits year after year.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Thank you, Kayden. I guess we'll go on and we'll
start talking about the teachers and guns. But if you
would like to call in about the statistics and give
your feedback and how you feel about the numbers that
we shared with you, and maybe even share some of
your own, please feel free to do that. I have
(03:55):
an article here that's titled Teachers and Guns, and the
us AT News put it out on January thirteenth, twenty thirteen.
I'm not going to read the whole thing, to share
a little bit, and then we'll open the phone lines
for the statistics if someone who has something to say
about that, and then the teachers and guns also, we
(04:16):
want people to call in. Following the tragic shooting of
twenty six students, teachers, and administrators in Newton, Connecticut, nearly
everyone has an opinion about gun control and how to
improve safety in the nation's schools. In response to the massacre,
NRA President David Keane called for armed guards in every school,
(04:38):
either police officers or private security guards. Associated press recently
reported that Ohio Attorney Attorney General Mike DeWine joined forces
with the Ohio Department of Education to announce the expansion
of concealed handgun training to teachers and school administrators. Dwine
(04:58):
pointed out the Wine pointed out, though, that the decision
is up to each school board. Our local Board of
Education has made the decision to armed staff members, and
this is Mount Pillier exempted village schools, So it's already
being discussed in our area, but they're leaving it up
(05:21):
to you know, individual school boards. We want to hear
your feedback on what you think of this. I would
also like to just add that my son and I,
my youngest son and I were SERT members Community Emergency
Response Team members, and we're people that you know are
(05:46):
usually called in if there's a disaster or something like that.
And this year's training starts off right away with how
to handle shootings between cops and people that are doing
the shooting, if we have something happen in our own area,
or if we're in a situation. Everything across the board
(06:09):
that starts offering right off the from the beginning of
the year has to do with training us out handle
these situations. So it's going much farther than just you know,
talking about it in the schools. They're training people in
a more local you know, regular citizens like my son
and I to combat these issues. To I thought that
(06:32):
was interesting when we received the invite for that training.
So if anyone would like to call in and give
their feedback, we would love to hear from you. We
had some other articles we can share two while we
were waiting on people to call in.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yes we do. We have one also relating to guns
in school in the sense of a toy gun, a
paper gun. Melanie valentin In, a fifth grader in Philadelphia
was removed from class after pulling out a paper gun
in school. Now, the six year old had this paper
(07:14):
in her bag and was getting up to go throw
it away when a student, a fellow student saw it
and reported her to the teachers. The student was then
pulled out of class and reprimanded by the principal and
the teacher, and felt that she was prosecuted unjustly for
(07:35):
just an instant, you know, a paper gun. Now that
the sensitivity to guns in school is so large at
this point, so now the parents of this child, Melanie
valentinin are furious at the way that she was yelled
at and recommended. The child was said to me having
(07:57):
nightmares of the incident, and she's, I have said, with
what happened at school, and so it's open to discussion.
For you know, when reading the comments of the news article,
many people understand the sensitivity to the gun issue in school,
but for something like this is definitely way out of proportion.
(08:19):
Most people seem to agree.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I love what.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You may think the audience may think about something like
this happening to your child.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, actually too, I had watched the video on that
little girl that you're talking about, and her classmates were
calling her a murderer, and the teacher pulled her to
the front of the class and reader the riot act,
I mean, really humiliated her. And after that was when
(08:54):
they started to call her a murderer. So it's a
lot more I mean, this little girls having nightmares after
that happened. But the school will not has not answered
any questions, not even to the school board. They didn't
even answer questions to the school board last time I heard,
which was really interesting because if you don't even answer
(09:16):
the calls from the school board, it just struck me
as odd. So also we have you know, I've talked
to some people that you know, they believe, hey, you know,
if if the teachers do need to be armed, they
believe that. And they do believe though, that the teachers
(09:38):
really need to be trained. I'd like to hear people's
take on that too, what they think about not only
the teachers having a gun, but obviously I mean, you'd
think common sense would be training. But what kind of
training should they have? I mean I heard I heard
(09:59):
often on over time. You know, we hear these little
things about a husband and wife going and getting training
to have a gun in their home, and and at
the training the wife or no, the husband shot his
wife by accident, right, And so I think, you know,
(10:22):
sometimes it's like some people just do not need to
be around guns at all. If they're you know, there's
just some people that shouldn't be, but don't know they
have the right training. M that would make more sense.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, And I was also thinking, you know, how how
for some parents they might be concerned with how safe
it is to have their children exposed to you know,
increasing the accessibility of guns. You know, how well will
they will the teachers be able to keep the guns
(11:01):
from the students. You know, that's just another source that
could be a source of concern for the parents to
have that access. But it looks so you have a caller,
So let's welcome. Hello, how are you? Who's this?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You're on air? Hello, it's Maggie.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Hi, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Hikam?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Hello? So you're calling in to discuss statistics or the
teacher gun or both. Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Pretty much guns being introduced into the public schools.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Okay, go and share your opinion with us. They'd like
to know.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I know a lot of people are against guns in
school systems, and I know a lot of people are
having meetric reactions to what just happened not too long ago.
And I mean, we've been seen in increasing trends over
the last ten years or more of more and more
(12:18):
school shootings. In the past, it's generally been contained to
high schools and colleges. That doesn't make it any less tragic.
But what made this latest one even worse is they
were elementary school kids, ages six or seven years old.
(12:40):
We have a lot our society is becoming more degenerated,
a lot of copycats, a lot of people who are
speaking their five minutes of same. It could be people
who are screaming for help and don't know what to do,
(13:01):
where to go, or they who knows how their brains think,
how they get hold of guns. Every situation is different.
It's not guns that are evil, it's the person that
pulls the trigger. Guns are an inadamate object. They cannot
(13:22):
think and operate on their own. They can only do
so wants a human being. It's holding the object, the gun. Yeah,
because of personally, I believe we have the right to
defend ourselves. We have the right to bear arms. It
(13:44):
says so even in our constitution. Our forefathers specifically put
that in our constitution so its future generations could protect themselves,
whether it be from England or from anybody else. Because
any population that is easily just aft forward, any population
(14:11):
that's easily removed as any possibility of protecting themselves or
defending themselves is easily conquered. Now for what is happening
in our school systems, they are easy targets because there's
(14:31):
no way to defend yourself in the past, we've never had.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
To deal with this before.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
While society, like I said, is changing, and me personally,
I think that certain. I don't know if it should
be teachers, if it should be other personnel. It's hired
for this extreme, this simple purpose. If that's the case,
that's extra financing or extra money that the school districts
(15:02):
have to come up with to pay these people.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
And they're usually not too willing to spend extra.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, And they're financially and be trouble to begin with too.
So if they don't hire someone, that means they have
to go with someone that's already within their schools, already
working there. And if they pouse teachers, I have no
problem with whoever with them going through stringent, trusting background checks.
(15:32):
I have a cousin who lies down in Dayton, and
he is an NRA certified teacher. He goes around and
he trains and teaches people how to shoot shotguns, handguns, pistols,
whatever certifies them. He also trains them and how to
(15:54):
properly handle them safety. And the NRI will not just
sort off on anyone to go out and teach this. Also,
these people that are certified trainers and teachers will not
just go out and certify anyone. They have to pass
a very strict yeah, and certain criteria because the NRA
(16:20):
is just not going to stick their name out there
and for anybody you have to pass what they set up.
And he has already started teaching and training and certifying teachers.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Oh wow, okay that quickly. It's interesting that you bring
that up because another article I have, and and a
lot happened since the Newtown shootings. And if anybody talks about,
you know, not wanting gun control, or if anybody voices
an opinion that's pro gun at all, you know, they're
(16:55):
they're made to feel like, how dare you? Children were
just killed? And I think this is sort of interesting.
But there was a I don't know what survey it was,
but recently there was a poll take and I wasn't asked,
and I'm sure a lot of other people weren't asked too.
It's from the Atlantic Atlantic Wire by JK. Trotter, and
(17:17):
they said that twenty seven percent think teachers should carry
guns in that sense the new Town shootings. So and
oh something else I wanted to share. Let me see
if we have any other callers, No, we don't. One
of the other things recently, there was a survey that
I took for should Obama's gun band be approved, and
(17:43):
not to talk about Obama. We're a nonprofit. We don't
do the political part of it. But this was just
a survey this and it showed the numbers of you know,
how people feel about guns, and I wanted to share
some of these percentages. Is that should the federal government
regulate guns of any type? One hundred and ninety nine thousand,
(18:06):
two hundred and seventy six people say yes, that's twenty
eight percent. And then the people that said no, they
shouldn't regulate the guns five hundred and ten thousand, two
hundred and ninety eight to say we should not regulate guns.
And then it said should Congress ban semi automatic weapons?
(18:28):
One hundred and fifty eight thousand and three said yes.
That said that's twenty two percent of the vote, and
then no, the nose were five hundred and fifty four thousand,
four hundred and fifty five and then uh, that said
if Congress does not act, should the President use an
(18:50):
executive order to ban or strictly control the cell of
semi automatic weapons? One hundred and forty three one thousand
and eighty five said yes, and five hundred and sixty
eight thousand, four hundred and sixty seven said no. And
then last question that was asked, do you agree that
(19:13):
the Second Amendment gives citizens the right to own and
bear arms without infringement? Five hundred and eighty two thousand
and forty six said yes that they agreed, and one
hundred and thirty thousand and twenty people said no, that
they disagreed. So they try to make us think that
(19:36):
this is abnormal to think that we have a right
to guns. But when a survey is taken, we see
that it's like in the twenty percentile, the seventy five
percent or more of people say don't mess with our
Second Amendment. I thought those are very interesting numbers from
(19:57):
a survey. So what do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Well, I mean I have a question to both you
and Maggie. Yes, how do you feel safer? Well, I
know that you have some children that are homeschooled, so
you might not necessarily have to worry in some circumstances.
But for for Maggie, I know you have a couple
(20:26):
of children in Tartar school. Do you feel would you
feel safer with the teachers having guns and sending your
children to school where the teachers are able to carry
concealed weapons.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
UH mean personally, Yeah, especially if a teacher has been
uh certified and trained, whether it be by NRA certified
trainer or buy someone else through police force or whoever. Generally,
(21:04):
the NRI is the biggest one out there because they
are extremely pro gun and uh not just pro gun.
They want to educate and they want to teach, and
they want to train, and they want to certify, and
(21:24):
I would do because of how our society is, the
direction it's going, and the more and more shootings we've had,
and now it's encroaching upon elementary schools, and I'm sure
we're going to see more of this coming because of copycats.
That if we have teachers in those classrooms who have
(21:47):
been stringently trained and know the drill and know what
to do, and they can first take care of the
children and hide them protect them. However, they have that
set up in their training and they have a place
to put them, and then if need be, if the
(22:08):
whoever is attacking that school comes close to their room,
comes into their room. I mean, if you know the
high ground points so to speak, in your room and
you're prepared and your kids are hidden, all that person
has to do is walk through that door. You've got
one good shot, They're done, and your children are safe.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, it's I think that in a lot of the
classrooms more modern day, there there really is not a
safe place, or there's not a place to escort the kids.
I think the classrooms these days are pretty open. Okay,
So I mean that's a good point I hadn't thought about,
you know, because usually there is no warning, there's shots.
(22:55):
You hear shots, and then you have very little time
to react. Might as well to get the kids any place.
So when they come into the room, the sides hiding
behind their own death, you know, what kind of chances
do they really have if there's no one armed in
that room? But I think that you know, gosh, I
(23:20):
mean you even think about the movie theater shootings. I
mean that guy he had bulletproof ess on, from my understanding,
and some other protective gear. They'd have to be a
pretty good shot and have some pretty good training to
come up against what some of these people do.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And yeah, that's true too, but at least it gives them,
I guess, someone of a fighting chance. And again I
guess it would detend, like you said, the layout of
the classrooms had changed, the layout of the buildings had
changed since you and I were in school. I guess, yeah, And.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Well even back then, I don't in the place to
go and hide necessarily thinking back at the schools I
was at, you know, the classes were open, filled with chairs,
there's stockboard and maybe a bookshelf, depending on where you
were at. And really I have.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'm sorry. I have several people I know that there
are our church that are school teachers. And I was
listening in on a conversation a while ago amongst some
of these school teachers, and they were talking about some
of the new things that aren't being instituted even in
(24:44):
our area now, like at Arizelt Nora and Defiance is
soon going to be implementing the guns. They're looking at
certified and training teachers to carry, and they're looking at
the idea of instituting this within their school systems, how
(25:07):
they're going to go about doing it, who they're going
to have to do it.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
I know.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
One of the also the things that they're looking at
and trying to figure out how to do is a
lot of these schools don't have ways to communicate with
every single classroom because there are no phones. The easiest
and simplest way is the PA systems, So they're trying
to figure out how to you know, something like this
(25:32):
would happen to just environmentally turn on the PA system
so everybody all over the school can hear it and
react know what to do.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Okay, what do you think, Cayden, you're in public school?
Do you think you would you feel safer?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
How do you I think that it's a good idea
in theory, but like with everything else, I definitely want
proof of, you know, the training, that it's very extensive
training because most you know, most of the teachers that
I know in my school, most people come off the
(26:14):
street that don't own guns personally, won't have any experience
with guns, you know, And so I would definitely, you know,
the training would definitely need to be up to par
as much as they claim it's going to be. I
wouldn't necessarily mind teachers having guns so long as they
(26:37):
are well trained. The only thing I would worry about
is that the accessibility to guns will be much higher
I think for the students because they all know that
every teacher has one, so then you know, how they're busy.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Would it be.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
For them to be able to get that from the teacher.
So that's the only thing I would be concerned about
in that case.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, they definitely would have to have it, just like
in a home. You know, a parent's re responsible for
any gun that's in their home, and you hear of
children getting a hold of a gun and shooting theirselves
or a friend. And it's the same in the public school.
You know that whoever has that gun in their possession,
(27:26):
they have to have it locked up, especially when there's
kids around. But then that raises a whole another thing.
Where is it locked up at? Is it locked up
in a desk? Because a desk isn't that secure you.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Know during an emergency?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, that fast, because they have to worry about moving kids,
and then they have to worry about getting into that
box when you're talking second, someone's coming down the hall.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
That's why I think it should be concealed chary that
we it's constantly on the teacher's body. It eliminates the
possibility of a student getting it unless they physically wrestle
the teacher and rip off the teacher. Also, it eliminates
the wasted time it would take to get the gun
(28:15):
out of a locked secured area time that could be
used either defending yourself or securing the children or both.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Right, because it raises a lot of questions out of
things that need to consider. If this is the direction
that public schools want to go in, that's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well then I know there are a lot of questions
that the schools are asking too to try and figure
out what to do. And I know, like here in
our area, that's some of the things that they're asking
Because if you do concealed carry, none of the students
will know which teachers are caring in which ones aren't,
and they're not going to announce it that way. It's
(29:03):
your troublemaker. Kids so to speak, are less likely to
try and swipe the gun. Also, it's compealed, Carrie, it's
constantly on their person, easier access, quicker response, and whoever
enters the school with that intent will not know who's
armed and who isn't.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
All right, we have one minute love for the show,
so and to thank you for calling in, Maggie, and
it's open for more callers sometime in the future, hopefully
next week. Next week's show will be on special needs
and actually Maggie Spangler will be back as co host.
(29:45):
I won't be on the show during this one, but
again love to hear from people and hope you can
tune in next Saturday some time. Gayden Tuck six the clause.
Thank you, Maggie, thank you guys, Thanks Maigan. Hi all
(30:09):
right bye, so last eight seconds, so thank you again
for joining us, and have a good night when I
(30:46):
am unto my soul. Soul
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