Breaking Free Through Music: An IBLP Story w/ Josh Lauritch

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Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee (00:00):
Welcome to today's podcast replay from
the Killer Bee Studios.
Let's go ahead and dive on in.
Hey everybody, welcome to theKiller Bee Studios.
Can you guys hear us out there?
Let's see some confetti.
All right, yes, awesome.
Thank you guys for coming out.
This is the grand opening forthe Killer Bee Studios.

(00:22):
I'm so excited you guys all gothere.
Did you guys get lost?
Did anybody go to the oldstudio trying to figure out how
to get to the new studio?
But tonight we have a specialguest.
His name is Josh Lauritch.
Was anybody out here when Joshcame before?
Throw some confetti, if anybody.
Okay, yeah, I see a couplepeople out here.
Yeah, deena, awesome, okay.
So Josh Loridge is the founderof 55 Promotion and he'll be

(00:45):
joining us a little bit latertoday to share part of his story
growing up in the IBLP Ibelieve that's how you spell it
when he was taught that music isevil.
Has anybody here ever heardthat music is evil?
Has anybody heard that before?
Yeah, I see confetti.
Yeah, okay, yep, deena, yeah, Iwould love to know.
You know, as we're gettingready to talk about the story
tonight, this is part of Josh'spersonal story, so I would like

(01:08):
to ask you has anyone here everwatched the Dock U series Shiny
happy people.
Has anybody watched that?
I think it's on.
Oh okay, seals are throwingsome confetti.
Anybody else?
Anybody else?
No, okay, all right, so it's onAmazon Prime.
Mrs Killer Bee, you want totell them a little bit about
what that Dock U?

Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Cure (01:25):
series is about?
Yeah, so it talks about thekind of the behind the story
type things about the Duggarfamily which you might have
heard about from 19 kids inHowney and their correlation,
their affiliation, more like it,with the IBLP group so it's

(01:45):
like a religious group and youknow, bill Gotherd, I think was
his name, was the main leader ofthat and it kind of talks about
his teachings and the thingsthat happened there.
And yeah, so Brian and I werereally affected by that
documentary and then Joshreached out and said that that's
what he had grown up in.
We were fascinated.

(02:05):
So I can't wait to hear what hehas to say about it.

Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee) (02:08):
Yeah, I can't wait to hear his story
too.
So with that, I would say,arcane, can you go ahead and hit
that guest intro and let'sbring Josh out.
You guys ready to go with someconfetti?
Josh, lord's, come on out,let's see, there he is, hey,
josh.

Josh Lauritch (02:22):
I don't know where I'm supposed to go, so I'm
just going to jump up onto thiscouch.

That's exactly right.
You are in the right spot.
You are in the right spot.
Your legs look a little weird,but I think you got it all right
.

I'll just jump every once in a while, was you?

Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Cure (02:36):
hoping .
See you guys have to jump.
I'm so jealous.
I did leg day too.
Oh, there we go.

And I'm not looking jacked right now.
So I'm really disappointed.

Well, I have to say, like Litch, was
you hoping that you would havelegs, and the next time you
showed up in here I've beenworking hard on it.

Man, I was hoping that they would have that.
You show those things off.
I put shorts on in my outfitand everything and I'm pretty
disappointed.

But you're looking good, man.
It looks like you got a freshcut on your head there.
Like your fresh new dude, right?

You know this is a virtual world and I still
chose to be bald.

So, yeah, there's a spot right back
here that I can see.
Josh is a really good friend ofmine.
You guys, this guy right hereif you guys saw him in real life
he'd be way taller than me inhere and he's got such a big
heart and he's a great, greatperson I like seeing people I
know out here I got Pete DesmondAdams out there in the crowd.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
I know he's that awesome.
What up homie.

It's fun to see people I know.
You know I like it.

Well, I have to admit.
Okay, your first.
You guys listen.
Let me explain to you whatJosh's first experience was like
at the Killer B Studios.
We had a hurricane comingthrough Florida, and so it's
like it's no one you know what.
It's no wonder why we're havingbugs.
It's just not normal to haveyou on if you're having problems
Bring trouble yeah.
It's that homeschool stuffright.

Bring in judgment everywhere when I go.

When he came in the first time, I
think we had like maybe 10, 15minutes to show you some of the
basics on controls and stuff.
And as we come in, there's ahurricane hitting us where we're
at and as the hurricane'shitting us here in Florida, at
me as the host, we had no moreelectricity so I was running off
my cell phone internet and thenall of a sudden transformers

(04:18):
and towers are blown up and welost cell phone service.
And he was stuck in here withour co-host which was new at
Stuff 2, with somebody asking aquestion and they couldn't get
them out of the question box.
We fixed that and the personwas asking somebody in the
audience to be their meta-boo,so that was pretty great.

Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee) (04:37):
So that's playing matchmaker you
know, yeah, it's beautiful,pretty great.

Well, but for those of you that don't
know Josh, Josh, would you takeabout 30 seconds and just let
people know a little bit aboutyou and who you are?

Yeah, I run a radio promotion company called
55 Promotion.
I get music played on Christianmusic radio stations all around
the country.
That's what I do for a living.
I've got two little kids,10-year-old son named Alex and a
seven-year-old daughter namedAbby.
I've been married for 20 years,got married when we were 11.

(05:10):
So that's not true.
But I was married young, so Imet my wife when I was 15 years
old, and we've been togetherever since.

Oh, my gosh.

I'm born and raised in Wisconsin, spent a few
about nine years in Nashvilleand I'm living in Milwaukee
right now.
And yeah, that's a little bitabout me.

I wanted to bring Josh out because
, since he was one of our firstguests, I'm like man, I would
love to have him back out.
Plus, since the first one was acrazy explosion hurricane and
we couldn't get anythingrecorded, I was like it'd be
great to have Josh out and seethe new studio.

I said so many good things that night and we
didn't get saved.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
No.

So hopefully this isn't bad.
Nobody would know we gothurricaneed from the first one.

We've got a lot of people here that
wants to be married.
They heard that you actuallyare licensed to marry people and
make people meta booze and allthat stuff.

So yeah, Right, I don't know what we did, but
something happened that night.

It was magical.
I don't know.
I can't relate because I don'tknow what happened.
Josh, knowing your background,and it really surprised me when
you're telling me a little bitabout your story when you told
me that you were taught thatmusic is evil and some of the
people here were in the audiencewere like throwing confetti and
raising their hands like yeah,they've heard that too, so can

(06:31):
you.
I'm interested to see how thisstory goes.
I would love for you.
Can you take us back to thosedays and tell us some of your
story?
Take us back to that time.

Yeah, I mean it's always an interesting point of
conversation when you say youwork in the music business and
then part of your story is thatyou grew up in a home school
cult where music was evil,definitely like a Parks
everybody off the story.
I will say this before I say alot about the story and just my
life and things like thatGrowing up.

(07:02):
In the context, I know youasked the question of whether
people had heard about thatdocumentary shiny, happy people
or whatever.
There's a lot of stuff that'sreally difficult in that whole
organization and a lot of thingsthat are hard to process and
some really awful people inthere.
I think it's really importantto also mention, like though I

(07:23):
grew up in, that my parents areawesome and I don't hold any
bitterness towards them.

That's awesome.

All of us, man, we're doing the best we can out
here and they believe that whatthey were doing raising us in
that organization, homeschoolingus and trying to protect us
that was our goal.
It was trying to protect usfrom some of the just gnarly
stuff that goes on in the world.
And there's reasons why peoplefall into any type of thing.
Sure, yeah, so like every timeI talk about it, I don't ever

(07:51):
want to put any type of shame onthem.
It's none of that.
They thought it was, there wasgood things to the whole thing
and there's like a lot of thingsthere can be good and then you
add like a little bit of extramade up stuff.
It could be trouble.
Yeah, and a lot of people didn'trealize that was what was
happening in the thick of it,and my parents have experienced

(08:14):
the love and the grace of Jesusand are not the same people they
were back then and have foundlike actual true freedom from
that type of living, and sothat's pretty beautiful as well.

Oh, that's amazing, and I think you
made a really good point theretoo, because I think that as
parents, it's easy for us tolook at Our kids into like
they're.
They're a work in progress, youknow they're, they're growing.
But even the parents, at thesame time we're growing up, the
same time as we're raising ourkids, like like arcane over here
, arcane, arcane, you're ahomeschool, right?

(08:46):
You're a homeschooler, let's go, let's see, let's, let's hear
you on the mic.
Tell us how your homeschoolexperience has been.
I know you already graduated.
He graduated last year, I, I,you know I can't say too much
because my teacher's here.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Hold, on Hold on.

Okay, hold on, let me see if I can
cover your ears.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I'm trying to cover your ears Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
It was good.
It was good.
I'm not gonna lie, it was good.

Yeah, but uh, but you know, just even
with why you thinking about it,you know how old were we when we
, when you had uh arcane, mrsKiller B 24 24.
So we were still Young, we werereally young adults raise, learn
how to raise a kid, everythingto.
We've grown a lot too.

(09:31):
So, uh, it's interesting toremember that, like even us, as
parents, were growing the sametimes our kids are growing,
we're growing up with them, butthey don't realize it.
So that's really cool that youcan look back and still you know
this wasn't a negative thingfor you and your parents, like
that's.
So I'm so glad that you youshared that.

Yeah, it's super important.
Yeah, I mean like the of what Iremember.
You know I'm a little kid.
There's a lot of stuff thathappens that you don't even
realize what it is, but watchthe documentary and recognizing,
like some of the teaching thatexists like one of the, the
biggest sort of overallprinciple, is about behavior and
behavior control and, uh, and,like I said, you know, there's

(10:11):
like a spirit that exists in theorganization of protecting your
family from things that mightbe bad, you know, from Sex,
drugs and rock and roll.
You know, a lot of people cameup in the 70s and, you know,
early 80s, and I was like theyhad these rough stories and then
they, they might have foundthemselves, you know, having an
understanding of, of jesus andbecoming christians and then

(10:33):
realizing like, oh man, I don'twant anything to do with that.
I got to keep my kids safe fromall these horrible experiences,
and so that's why some of thisstuff becomes really appealing
to people.
There's also people who arevery much, you know, just
unhealthy type of folks andmaybe like low-key or high-key
narcissists and like to controlthings and like to Make
themselves look good to others,and and that's uh, true of so

(10:55):
much of what we deal with inlife, right, Just the idea that
we're going along trying to lookgood or feel good or be right
or be in control yeah, superunhealthy stuff, and so that's
how you fall into it.
One of the things I justremember all the time when I was
a little kid is that music wasbad bad Unless it was hymns or

(11:15):
sung with choirs.
Then that was pure and properand holy and uh.
And so I remember like hearingabout christian music in the
like late 80s, early 90s, goingthis, this would be good, like
this is about Jesus.
That's what we're about in thisworld, right?
Nope, because it has drums anddrums are demonic and drums have
very evil origins and they makeyou shake your hips and things

(11:37):
like that.

Which is how you have hips in here.
Is that why we don't have?

hips in here.
No, like that's why this wouldbe, we could listen to all the
music we want.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Nobody's going to get pregnant, you know, so um.

No, but I just I just remember that a lot as a
kid.
And and then I also remember,like when we came out of that,
because I started to go to areal school, uh, with a class of
seven people when I was 15, andthen a different church,
because there's a whole part ofhow they're kind of exiting out
of that organization and myparents look losing their friend

(12:10):
group and like people rejectingthem because they decided to
send us to a regular high school, right.

So that's really good, so like when
you're going into like, so youstarted going into a.
Was it a public school, then apublic?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, it was a private school, private school private
Christian school.

So is this when you like?
Is this when you startedquestioning?

or maybe was there some moments that, uh,
that made you start questioningor doubting that belief about
the music evil, or there was alot of moments because, like I
also had a lot of friends, so,being 1213, 14, I played
basketball in high school andhad tons of friends in my
neighborhood who went to regularschool, public schools,
whatever, and so a couple of myfriends were really into the

(12:51):
music of the 60s and 70s, so Igot to know all those bands uh,
you know Led Zeppelin and thewho and oh yeah, those aren't
evil at all.
No, I'm just like I love theguitar.

So when I started playing Led
Zeppelin's.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Got a good guitar player man and I got some crazy
drummers.

Oh yeah, there had to be a lot of
it shaking of Led Zeppelin.
I'm sure I kept that pretty lowkey.

My parents didn't know.
But then the kids in myneighborhood grown up in
Milwaukee were in the West Coastgangster rap and so I also
listened to that all day whilewe played pool and smoked
cigarettes.
So like I had that sort ofexistence that my because, like
it was it was early 90s we justlike left the house and didn't
come back until the streetlights came on.

(13:35):
And so I just did all this typeof stuff and my parents didn't
know anything about it.
So I was just around a lot ofmusic.
I was around a lot of peoplewho listened to music and I was
going this is amazing, what iswrong with you people?
And then I started thinking,like, well, but if the music is
about Jesus and that's whatwe're about, how is that bad?
And I was like always aquestioner as a kid.
I was curious, and so we wouldgo to these things, and I also

(13:58):
remember like they would teachyou lots of things that you
could find in the Bible, whichare really good things, and all
the rules and all of the likeexpectations that are listed out
in Scripture and a lot of whatJesus is teaching is.
It exists in the book ofDeuteronomy.
It says, like all of theseinstructions are are so that it

(14:19):
might go well for us, like keepmy commandments and it might go
well for you.
This is like a constant themeof Scripture.
It's not like keep thesecommandments because then you
will be saved and go to heaven,and so that's because the reason
we have all these rules and isto show us that we can't keep
them and that we are in need ofsomething, something perfect,

(14:40):
someone perfect who has kept allof them and fulfilled the law,
who is actually Jesus, and soanyway, with all of that type of
stuff, I would see things andread things and go, okay, I see
that that's in the Bible, likethat's good, I see how that's
beneficial for my life, I seewhat's going on here, and then
there'd be like extra stuff thatsome dude came up with and I'd

(15:02):
be like that's not in the book.
Yeah, we following the book andyou know sometimes that would
get me into trouble and you knowmy parents be frustrated and
sometimes they'd be like, huh,it's not in the book interesting
you know, because we're alllearning at the same time, you
know.
And so, and then there'd bethings about, you know, like, as
we started to kind of fall outof that.

(15:23):
You know the amount of judgmentand condemnation that my family
felt because we decided to go adifferent route that was much
better for us was really hard.
Because I'm going.
Aren't we supposed to like loveour neighbor as our self?
And, you know, aren't wesupposed to actually like be a
community and like followingthese things together and like,

(15:45):
just because I, we go away fromthis one idea, we're out of this
community and totally rejectedand judged by people as a weird
situation, you know so.
So even with the music stuff, Iwas like questioning it, like
wait a minute, this doesn't makeany sense to me whatsoever.
And so then when I met my highschool youth pastor at my wife's

(16:06):
well my girlfriend at the time,her church is funny.
One of the other things is youdon't really you're not allowed
to date people Like they keep itreal, keep it like woo.
You know, basically you findsomebody, you immediately are
like all right, cool, you're myperson.
And then when you're 18, youget married and you have no idea
what to do with yourself.
You're not even a whole personyet and you go and get married.
And so, like the second, I metmy wife Amy.

(16:29):
We were 15 and I'm like well,you're my person, you know.
And so it was like, right awaymy parents were like no, don't
do that, you can't date, wecan't do that.
And then she introduced me tomusic through her youth pastor.

And.

I was just like it blew my mind cause I'm
hearing, like you know, all thisrock music in the mid nineties
that reminded me of Jesus andlike told an amazing story of
who he is, and it just like itchanged my life and I was super
drawn to it from the beginning.
And so here I am now, all theseyears later, involved in the
music industry and actually haveseveral friends who are

(17:03):
producers and songwriters, havewritten some of the biggest
songs in the history of all ofChristian music.
Who grew up in the same littlecult I grew up in.

And I have found freedom from that.
Yeah, so this is a pretty coolthing, but who were some of the
bands that you liked in thenineties?
I wasn't a Christian in thenineties, so it's always
interesting to me to hear aboutit.

Like of the Christian music that is popping
back then.
So, like the first band I wentto see live was called, it's
called Newsboys, and there wasthe band that opened for them,
called Third Day, and this waslike at the United Center in
downtown Chicago and so I gotinto all of that and, like DC
talk and Jars of Clay, thosewere pretty popular bands back
then and I just I like, cause Iloved it so much.

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There was eventually one pointwhere parents kind of just like
whatever man just don't listento, two pop in our house.
And so they started to supportwhat I was doing, cause they
were like Ice Cube and West SideConnection was a little bit too
much for the house and theyfinally realized, like all right
, if you're going to like music,at least, like you know,
Christian music.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
And so I would just go to the bookstore.

It was like a Christian bookstore by our house
.
So I would show up everyTuesday and buy like I don't
know $100 worth of music everyTuesday, cause I had a job and
stuff.
And we just bring the musichome and listen to it and I
would read like in the you usedto be all open it up and there'd
be like a listing of whoparticipated in making the album
and wrote the songs and I wouldread all these people and like,
all right, who's that guy,who's this guy, who's this?

(18:25):
you know, I was fascinated by itand, like a lot of these people
that made the music that reallychanged me in that era of my
life are people that are now myfriends, business partners,
colleagues you know, so it'sbeen pretty cool to be part of
things like that, so so it'sfunny you bring that up because,
first of all, third day was oneof the first bands that really

(18:47):
changed my life too.

I didn't, you know, come to be a
Christian until I was in mytwenties, after Brian and I got
married.
But it's funny you brought thatup about reading the CD insert.
We were just talking about this.
I have always, since I boughtmy first CD when I was 15, it
was a Launas Morissette I'vealways been a CD insert reader.
Like I want to know everythingand you know it's really hard to

(19:11):
find that information now.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Like I was looking up .

Yeah , I was looking up the CD the
other day and I was trying tofind out who was singing backup
for somebody, and I could notfind it.

And.

I was so shocked that, like that,
information is not as readilyavailable as it used to be, yeah
, I think that's something thatI know will change at some point
.

A lot of artists now, when they put out an album
or even a song, they'll post totheir Instagram or whatever,
like a credits page, so at leastyou get some information.
But a lot of the streamingcompanies will have like a
credits page as well, but itdoesn't tell you who played the
dope guitar part, or like whodid the programming and like all

(19:51):
the incredible synth work, orit doesn't tell you who the
producer was.
Necessarily it's not every timebecause you like, literally as a
I'm a partner in a recordcompany as well and like we
submit this long list of stuffto our distribution company of
like, who mixed it and whomastered it, and all the
different engineers and all thepeople that worked on the

(20:12):
project the guitar player, thedrummer, whatever and they don't
always show up on the back- end, hopefully one day they fix
that, because it's reallyinspiring for people to like
know who actually did the work.

It is yeah To make their favorite
songs, you know.
And I'll just make this quick,but I've actually been able to
like really make connectionswith people that I meet because
I recognize their name from oneof those.
Yeah, exactly, it's so fun todo that.
That happened to me once whereI was like, oh, I was like, did
your wife buy any chance Likewrite this song?

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And they're like, oh yeah,how'd you know that?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's always because.

I read everything you know, but
yeah, that's interesting.

It's such a great way to honor people like all of
us wanna.
You know deep down like it'sspecial when someone can
recognize the work that you'vedone.
It's awesome if the work you'vedone has made an impact on
somebody out there, you know.
And to know that and be able tohave conversations with people,
especially, even like in thisera where we have social media
it could be like followingsomebody that's played the drums

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on all your most favorite music.
Yes, great and actually have aninteraction with them and maybe
have a chance to like, sharewith them why, but they did
matter to you and Exactly.
So there's a lot of inspirationthat can happen, but if we
don't know who actually made themusic and what they're doing,
you know it's a really toughthing.
So hopefully they get thatstraightened out at some point.

Oh yeah, I hope so.

So that's really interesting.
Like does anybody here elsehere read the inserts of the CDs
?
Does anybody else read that?
Like there's some confetti.

Oh, lady Hawk, Lady Hawk's reading
stuff.

Okay, okay, yeah, steve, you're the
builder.
Okay, yeah, so people do.
Okay, well, I kind of read likeso I have the vinyl records now
because I collect all those, soI like to look at those because
they're it's bigger.
So at this age it's nice tohave more pictures, right?
I love that you shared thatlike third day.
A third day, mrs Killer B knows, has a pretty big spot in my

(22:01):
heart because that's where Igrew up.
Well, if anybody here might beable to relate, I grew up
independent, fundamentalmissionary, baptist, so that
probably tells you a lot, rightthere.
If you just try to remember allthat and you know drums, things
was a big no.
But this was interesting thoughfor me and you know I love my
parents and all them Like wejust kind of, you know, god

(22:22):
showed us a little bit differentthings.
So we're in a differentmissions and stuff mission field
, but what's really cool is,well, not cool.
This was confusing because wecouldn't play drums in the
church and it really wasn't mydad that didn't want that, but
you know more of the church.
But we played in a country bandand we played at bars and
everything and we played likewhite lining and stuff and I'm
like I don't know how the worlddid even let us come up here and

(22:43):
play.
I went to church one day at achurch and I showed up.
Okay, I was a rebel teenager.
Okay, so just get that.
This is not all right.
If there's any kids in here, weshouldn't do this.
Rebel doll shouldn't do this.
I remember I got up and I waslike I gotta go play bass at the
church and they're like youcan't wear that shirt.
It was a Budweiser NASCAR shirt.
I was like it's a race carshirt, I'm wearing it.
So I'm gonna wear a white base.

(23:05):
Look at Paul, he's likethrowing confetti with my
Budweiser NASCAR shirt on.
But going through all that, likeI was at that stage where I was
always taught that you know,that type of Christian music was
evil.
Yeah, it was all like the hymnsand stuff was what we're best
to be listening to and I didn'tgrow up in like that background,

(23:27):
like with the homeschooling andstuff.
But somehow that got mixed instill, and which was very
interesting, because I went tothe first concert that I went to
.
That was a like a CCM.
I guess that had been CCM.
I don't know if third day itwould've been CCM back then, but
that was their first concert.
It was the first concert I wentto was third day and I remember

(23:47):
standing in a line.
I was at a church in Ohio Ithink it was at Landmark Baptist
Church, as that was and Iremember standing in a line.
There were so many people thereand guys just to give you a
picture remember my backgroundwas these people like this is
evil music, they're all in itfor the money, it's not about
Jesus and all this.
And I stood there.
I saw people all tattooed upMohawks, like about three feet

(24:11):
tall with different colors, andI'm like standing there, like
just really judging all of themmentally in my mind, of course.
And that's what I was thinking.
I was like man, these peopleare in trouble.
That's what I'm thinking andI'm thinking how can I fix them?
I gotta fix them right.
That's what I'm thinking insideand I can't trust them.
Well, fast forward, we go to theconcert and as I'm in the
concert and third day's playing,I watched those same people was

(24:35):
like sitting right around meand I watched them raising their
hand, balling, praising God,and I'm standing there like this
the whole time with my armscrossed, and I'm like I can't
believe this, I can't believethis.
And I thought I started finallygetting to the point.
I know this was the Holy Spiritworking on me.
I'm like God.
What's wrong with me?
Why can't I feel like that,like why isn't that for me?
Why can't I be like that?

(24:57):
And he told me he's like God.
What's wrong with me?
You got to uncrew.
Just put your arms out, let mein.
You're blocking me.
Let me in.
And I did, and it changed theentire my entire life for me
when it comes to music and Istarted I've missed this killer
B because it was a game changerfor me.
Uh-huh, and I'm like man.
We are blocking what we thoughtand just because what people

(25:18):
said, god's working in thatmusic and that that was a big
change for me.
So I was I was really cool tohear that the third day thing
with you two and like that.
We're like the same age, Ithink.
On a little side note, I'lltell you one of things that when
I started getting into moremusic, I listened to Metallica a
lot too.

(25:38):
I listened to a lot of heavymetal.
I was a Led Zeppelin guy.
I had all the black yeah, I hadall that you know.
So Metallica I remember.
Maybe this is just me, let'ssee if anybody else throws
confetti.
If you guys can relate to this,let me know, because you're
gonna have to be older If you.
How many people here remembercassette tapes, confetti, okay,
okay, okay.
My first cassette tape Iremember buying at a mall and it

(26:01):
was Metallica, ride thelightning, and I knew I had to
hide it.
I like that.
I want nobody to see I got this.
But I remember opening thatthing up and a new cassette tape
had this smell that I justcouldn't ever Duplicate.
It had this new smell.
I don't know if anybody else,maybe it's just me, maybe it's
just yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,everybody's got it, okay, cool.
But so as we talk about allthis and I remember like I had

(26:23):
friends, I had family membersnot my immediate family but
other family members that wouldsee those tapes and they would
take them and they'd be likethat's of the devil and they
would throw it down, this dryboys and I'd be like I would get
.
Throw it down there and I'm likewhat?
And I remember even there waseven a song in Metallica, I

(26:43):
think it was called creepingdeath, but one of the songs is
actually it's all biblical.
If you look at the words, I'mlike, oh my gosh, this is from
right, from the Bible, which isvery crazy when it comes to that
.

Oh, there's a lot of bands that have made music
through the years that theyabsolutely understand what,
what's true, they know they're,they know the scripture, they, I
think there's.
It's funny, like even in ourculture, like when we talk about
, like the way that you feltabout all the tattooed people at
the third day Christian musicconcert, like if, if, if I and
my family saw me at one of myclients concerts now with my

(27:21):
Sleeve on my you know, my bigtattoos I'm, I can't see in this
is hoodie, you know, I'veliterally a tattoo, a full
sleeve of skeletons and it'screepy as hell and even just
saying that would be a meantrouble back then.
And Like my tattoos, myearrings, my, you know, like,
even, somehow they probablyjudge my bald head in my beard.

(27:44):
I'm sure of it, he probably hadsome hair.
But, like, people are afraid ofthings they don't know, they're
afraid of things they don'tlike even being in this room, in
this virtual world, there'speople that judge this and think
this is bad and you shouldn'tbe associated with that, because
there's things that happen inthe metaverse that are gnarly.

(28:05):
Well, no crap.
There's things that happeneverywhere that are gnarly and
I've found In my own life andthen also through the wisdom
I've gained from my therapist,because I grew up in a cult.
So you have to have a therapist.
Like people who go so hardagainst certain things Usually
have some demon in them,something in them that's ugly,

(28:27):
so they feel better when they gohard against other people.
So if you're gonna protestagainst this group of people
because they're so bad and weneed to get them to fall in line
with our morality, my guess ismy guy over here protesting.
He's got something going on inhis world that he's trying to
mask.
You know that's very common, Ithink, for a lot of people, and
so but when you're free, likeyou don't have to be offended by

(28:51):
anything like that's right.
You know I'm not.
If I'm a Christian I am byabsolutely the mercy of God.
Have I found myself, as a grownman, like believing in the
finished work of Jesus, that hegave his life on a cross 2000
years ago to pay a price for sinthat I couldn't pay for myself?

(29:13):
Like this is only by the mercyof God that I could believe this
after the way I grew up and so,like in that mindset, I don't
need to be offended by someone'ssin or behavior.
That's gnarly because Somebodywho carries on in that way the
Apostle Paul says the thingshave got our foolishness to
those who don't believe, and sowhy should I worry about getting

(29:36):
them to follow in line with mymorality or some moral code that
is in the scripture, or maybeone that I've created in my own
image, I don't need to beoffended by this.
Like the Holy Spirit, the workof God in this world is gonna be
the thing that makes somebodyUnderstand any of this anyways.
And then the scripture says thekindness of God that leads us

(29:58):
to repentance, which is achanged life, a turning from one
way to another way.
The kindness of God, not thejudgment of God.
So, like I've learned, like Iwould be the guy that I would
have been judged.
You know you'd have judged meand I.

(30:19):
Would have been judging eachother, so one of the other thing
I think is really important, aswe're talking about all this
stuff and like this, this wild,ridiculous situation that I grew
up in.
This is not the Jesus that'swritten in the scriptures.

(30:40):
I'm, oh yeah, none of this stuff.
You see people you knowprotesting against groups of
folks and you know getting superworked up about who somebody
loves and who they have sex withand these things that do with
the who cares, people that aregoing up against, like even
within the world of, like thechurch, like just fighting

(31:01):
against each other all time andjudging each other, and also
like trying to Create this moralcode in our society and make
sure that everybody's falling inline with our rules of
Christianity.
Like that's not the Jesusthat's in scripture.
And if you're in this room andyou're like Mad about those
kinds of people, like let's go.

(31:23):
I am too.
But if you're mad about thosekind of people and like writing
off everybody who says they're aChristian because of those
types of people, and I wouldjust encourage you, like, if you
have any curiosity, open thewords of scripture and read what
Jesus actually talks about andread who he is and read what the
Bible actually teaches, becausethere's things in there like

(31:48):
Love your enemies yeah.
I don't you know enemies is apretty like do you have enemies,
mr Killer?
Being like, yeah, I meanprobably and then you also think
about it and be like.
I mean, my enemies in the worldare like pretty low-key, like
no one's.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Are you trying to?

take me out, you know.
No one's kidnapped my, myfamily and help them to ransom
and try to kill me.
No one's Like I don't have thatlevel of enemies but according
to Jesus, I'm supposed to lovethose people.
Yeah, yeah, wild, you know likeis someone who believes
different than me.
Is that an enemy?
No, they just have differentbeliefs.

(32:29):
I mean, I don't judge DallasCowboys fans even though they're
there's some problems with them, you know or Chicago Bears fans
I mean garbage, but I don'tjudge them, they're just
different.

There was a you don't have people can
up in your kids and stuffbecause you have that sleep
tattoo of the skeletons.
I'm very, very scared, never.

I've ever been in a fight, so if you know these
tattoos that I got and all thistoughness and these jacked legs,
you should have probablyremember having to hit anybody.

So if you, if you even take it back to
Hold on, if you guys rememberthere was a shooting, I guess
what that was like, probably in2015 or 2016 here in Florida,
and you guys remember thatshooting.
It was at a bar, okay, yep,adams, you remember Josh, you
remember?
Okay, oh, yeah, I see everybodyout there raising their hands.
I remember my son, arcane.

(33:23):
I was in my, I was in my officeand I was reading.
I was reading my Bible and Iwas reading.
At the same time.
I had just got done readingabout Judas and about Jesus and
I'm all coming to the table andsitting with him and, yeah, and
what was about?
Rago down Jesus, knowing thatJudas was going to betray him
and, and you know, have himkilled and stuff.

(33:44):
Yeah, well, going through allthis, arcane came in and and
said could you, did you hearwhat happened?
And everything was blown up onthe news and a lot of Christians
were, you know, saying likethat's, because it was, you know
, it attacked him, because itwas like a gay bar and all this
stuff.
And I'm like that's really sad,because what I, what I told him
.
We sat down and said here's thething that's really important
for us to wrap our mind around.

(34:05):
I was like I want you to readthe scripture here, jesus, that
people didn't agree with it, hisenemy.
Not that those people were anenemy, is there not an enemy?
There are people like God lovesthem and just like he loves us,
and what I told him is likeit's interesting to see like
Jesus sat knowing that this guywas going to have him killed,

(34:28):
and he broke bread with him andhe sat with him.

Still had a seat.
Well, the gospel is good news.
That's what it is.

That's right.

Amen.
Good news Is that Jesus cameand died for me, who broke all
of God's laws.
I messed it up.
All the Ten Commandments, brokethem all.
I could give you a list,there's only 10.
But broke them all.
And he came for me and died forme while I was still his enemy,

(34:57):
while I was a sinner, while Iwas completely against the
things of God.
And so that is like the mostremarkable news, and the wild
thing is when I confess mybelief in him, in the sacrifice
of Jesus for me being enough andthe only thing, I don't stop

(35:22):
being a sinner, like.
I don't know about you, butI've done some sin in today.
You know, I did some sin inyesterday.
I'm going to do some sin inlater tonight.

I'm going to go drink beer at a.

Christian music concert tonight, actually right
down the road from my office atSummerfest.
It's the best festival ever andone of my friends is playing
tonight.
But that's not sinning.
That's a whole other issue inthe Baptist world.

Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee (35:45):
Which friend, by the way?
Lauren Dagle, she's going to beat Summerfest in Milwaukee yeah
, that's awesome.

So while I'm on my deathbed, I may have a
lustful thought, I might beangry, I might say something I
regret, like I'm going to diewith sinful things in me.
I have no hope without for thework of Jesus.
I can't do this on my own.

(36:13):
God said the standard isperfection.
He said all of sin and fallenshort of the glory of God.
So that's why I love themessage of Jesus, because he
came here, because I'm a mess,and so anybody that's running
around, whether it's the cult Igrew up in or anybody now that's

(36:33):
saying you have to cleanyourself up, you got to get
right I hear that all the timeLike people who are going and
fighting against each other onFacebook for things that people
say and do that are differentthan them.
Like we can't get right.
That's why he's had to come forus so that's like as much as I,

(36:55):
you know, I can reflect on, youknow all the gnarly things in
the past and I can be really madat the church today and I can
be really mad.
I'm going to say, quote,unquote Christians, because
these people that perpetuatethese teachings and these ideas,
that's not the things of Jesus.
And if you meet the real one,he changes you.

Amen, amen, amen, go ahead.
You got a question or a thoughtyou'd like to share.
Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, I have a thought.
I'm one who's a lover of musictoo, and I wasn't necessarily.
Well, I guess I always had athought as a Christian on when
you're listening to music.
You know, being careful whatkind of music you listen to.
To some degree I still do that,but I like all kinds of music.

(37:43):
You know you talk aboutMetallica and stuff, but I, you
know, I grew up listening toEarth, Wind and Fire, Heart as a
group with Mac and stuff, sothat's the kind of music I
always liked and stuff, and Istill listen to it today.
The only thought I have in thissituation is basically, you
know, I'm sure it's fine tolisten to any kind of music you

(38:06):
want.
I mean, there's a certain linethat maybe we shouldn't cross as
Christians but at the same time, as long as God comes first in
our lives, I don't think there'sany problem with the music
you're talking about, thatyou're listening to.
And so God is number one andstuff, as long as the music
doesn't overpower and become tothe point that it becomes a God.

(38:28):
That's where the problem isTotally.

Well and dude, let me offer this thought kind
of as a point of what you'resaying and piggyback off what
you're saying is like there'sthings that are wise for us to
spend time like putting into ourminds, right, there's things
that are good, there's thingsthat are beautiful, there's
things that are pure.
I can listen to, you know, anamazing guitar solo in a

(38:50):
Metallica song and be like thatis beautiful, and I can also
hear a lyric and go, whoa,that's gnarly, that's not
healthy for my soul.
I can watch a film and think,wow, that was incredible
performance and acting, but thenbe like yo, that's not wise,
because there's some ugly stuffin this movie or whatever.
Like, I can enjoy things, butthere's wisdom along the way,

(39:13):
and be like you know, there'ssome shows I just am not going
to watch.
There's some like honestly, Igrew up with, like Tupac and
Snoop and all these guys musicand I love it.
When those beats hit, I'm likelet's go, and then I'm like who,
this is not godly, this is notwise to be enjoying this right.

(39:34):
So, like you know, you makeadjustments along the way and
that's the beauty of life.
Amen.
But none of it condemns me,because my sin is what already
condemned me.
Amen.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Amen.

So I'm not like, oh man, now I've ruined it all
because I listened to.
You know, whatever song wasjust filthy, you know I can
listen to it and be like thatbeat goes hard, but man, that's
nasty, I don't want to.

Yeah, well, I think that was a good
point too that you guys pointout.
Lepp, thank you for sharing it,because you know there's songs
that I like, I love like alldifferent types of music, and
but there's some songs I'lllisten to, like there's one that
I won't say the band, because Istill like the band.
I don't want to give them likeit was really me, but the lyrics
that was coming in was verynegative and I noticed myself
becoming more negative, moretouchy and aggravated a lot

(40:20):
easier because of what?
I was downloading into myselfand I had to like turn that off
because and it's not that themusic itself was evil, it was
just I wasn't a bad place and Iwasn't listening to the right
music to help me get out of thatplace.

Music takes us places.
Music is powerful, that's why,I love it.
But it's I also know enough toknow like that stuff's on
purpose.
People are trying to take uscertain places we are.
They are trying to impact howwe think and like shape the
culture.
Music films, tv shows, podcast,the news there's all kinds of

(40:55):
stuff out here that like existsto create things in our mind and
take us to certain places.
That's not good.
So you have to be aware, youhave to be wise, you know
absolutely what you put inyourself and how it's going to
influence you.

I'll just say super quick, just to
speak to that point is sometimesit's not even something that's
inherently bad or evil, but justsomething that's not right for
you in the moment, in the spacewhere you're at, you know if
you're having trouble in yourmarriage and you're hearing
songs they're talking about.
You know, burn it to the ground.
You know, throw all stuff outthe yard.

It takes you to a place where it's
not healthy for you.
Again in arguments I turn.
I make sure all the playlistsare clean, about how all the
songs are your husband's rightand you know he's perfect.
All right, meta voice, go ahead.
You got a question or a thought.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Well, I've got a lot of things going on up here, but
let me see if I can single itout and narrow it down.
You know you were talking aboutmusic being impactful as stuff
and I grew up with mygrandparents and we went to
church and a lot, and so musicwas impactful.
I went to school they, you know, they were all these kids
listening to all different typesof music and my grandpa

(42:07):
wouldn't let me listen to themusic they were listening to.
So I listened to songs likeRalph Ray Bolts, which I still
remember one of the songs he'ssaying.
I still remember all the lyricsof Thank you where he talks
about a story about going toheaven with someone and them
being thanked for all the stuffthey did.
And then also a brand namedCreed.

(42:29):
I loved Creed and they putalong a long time.
I didn't know it was aChristian band.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
I just thought it was a rock band.

I was just like it in there.

Speaker 6 (42:39):
Yeah.

Yeah, and then there was New Song.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
I don't know if you ever heard of a new song.
Oh, I was a kid I grew up withNew Song and I'm their CD and I
remember listening to all theirsongs on repeat.
So you know I don't listen to alot of them, what I used to.
Sometimes I still put them onwhen I get the song stuck in my
head and I just need to listento it.
But music entertainment, allthat has so much to do with

(43:02):
shaping our personalities andthe way we work because it's
about the things that we relateto is the things that we grow in
the path of, and so when werelate to music or entertainment
, we grow within that path, likea flower grows within their own
garden, the garden that theyrelate to.
So it defines our principlesand defines who we do become

(43:24):
later on and how we think.
So I did want to just kind ofshare on that because I was like
, oh, I know this topic orsomething.
I can say and also you know,josh.
Thank you, it was Josh, right,yeah.

It was.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
Josh, thank goodness, all right.
So thank you so much for beinghere on this show and coming to
a rise in.

I have two things to say.
One thing, meta voice, will youjust say a sentence to Josh, as
Mrs Doubtfire, that's who hecame as last week and it's
lighted me to my very soul.

This is good.
This is good.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Hello, dears, of course you know I can say just
about anything.
Earlier today I did MrsDoubtfire trivia for an entire
hour, don't you know?
And everyone had a good time,although there was a little bit
of pesky little children thatget up on stage and I go, if you
don't get off stage there, I'mgoing to turn you into a

(44:15):
blueberry muffin and they growoff very quickly, don't you know
?
Very good.

Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee (44:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
I'm here for you.
The other thing I wanted to sayis.

I hold new songs so dear to my
heart because I was a pretty newChristian and we went to I
think it was what's it calledWinter Jam and her new song I
fell in love with her music.
Laughers CD.
Of course I would go to the gymwith my little mp3 player and I

(44:48):
would just listen to theirsongs over and over and cry and
cry.
I thought, oh my goodness,people see me here crying on the
treadmill.
They're going to think you know, hey, to exercise, which I do.
But yeah.
I just all their lyrics justmoved me so much I love new song
Vic thanks for joining us.

Thanks for joining us, it's all good,
it's all good.

Speaker 7 (45:07):
My brother, wait a minute.
Okay, can you hear me?
Hey, Josh, Josh, let me ask youa question Did you have any old
people or elderly people, orwell-seasoned people, like we
call it in my church?
Did you have any individuals inyour church that were strictly

(45:33):
hymnal?
Hmm, him knows, that's all hewanted to hear.
Oh, yes, okay, so here we go.
I just want to know what pushback, where you're getting from
the individuals who are wellseason, considering you were
focusing in on what the nextgeneration was focused on, and

(45:57):
it was not.
Him knows, I just got it.
Come tell me, brother, it's agreat question.

So in the churches, in the church that I
grew up in, that was all wecould do.
So I remember, I know all ofthose songs and we studied the
old hymn writers and I learnedso much about their stories and
what they had gone through intheir lives that led them to
write these beautiful, richlyrics about just literally

(46:25):
straight out of scripture, likethe doctrine just infused into
these hymns is so beautiful, anda lot of the choruses and the
melodies were just emotional.
They were the songs of that era.
So as a kid growing up, highschool and college I played in
bands.
I played in two bands that wewere trying to be like Creed.

(46:47):
So, there you go.
But when I started playingmusic and I played music in my
youth group and I played musicin college and led worship, and
our church was very conservativeeven though it's not the cult
church, it was the church mywife's family was going to, but
they were very conservative, andso we were introducing new
choruses and new, morecontemporary songs, and there

(47:11):
were some people that had a realhard time with it.
They didn't know my history,though, at 22 years old, that I
actually knew these songs andthought so highly of them.
So it actually created a lot ofinteresting conversations, a
lot of very good conversations,because we talked a lot about
preferences Like these are notthings that are worth.
They're not hills worth dying on.
You know, these are things oneof my pastor at the time he

(47:34):
always used to say and it's aquote, I can't remember who it's
attributed to, but he said itin an essential unity, in
non-essentials charity and inall things Jesus Christ.
And so we would have thatconversation in our church and
be like look you like hymns, getit, that's okay.
I love them too, and we'regoing to sing them on Sunday,

(47:54):
and we might sing them with aguitar, not an organ, and that's
okay.
We might sing some with a piano, that's okay.
But then I'm going to teach younew choruses that are easy to
sing and easy to remember andthat stick in your mind and
remind you of true things thatare beautiful, straight out of
structure remind you of thegospel and there's people today

(48:14):
that are making that kind ofmusic that I actually work with
and that's even so.
I'm actually trying to getpeople on the radio all over the
country that have a richtradition of hymns and make
songs that are songs that we'llsing for 100 years, and so I was
kind of like a full circle.
I'm actually working with someof those songs now and it's
trying to hey all thistraditional music like it's very

(48:35):
me focused.
Let's sing some of these deepsongs about the truth of gospel,
you know so yeah, I had a lotof interesting conversations
back in the day about that.

Speaker 7 (48:45):
Thank you, josh, it's always going to happen.
Yeah, they're welcome, it'salways going to happen in the
church.

You know like we get stuck in our
traditions and we get stuck inour ways and like I can say, you
know, this is how I like it.

I grew up in a group of people that's probably
the last 25 years in thismovement that's happened in the
church, where you know, tryingto add more modern things and
contemporary things and make thepresentation of church more
interesting and acceptable.
And that's what we've done iswe've gone so far to the other
side.
We've created a consumermentality.

Sure exactly.

And that's really unhealthy and so like there's
going to be another, I wouldimagine huge shift back to the
other side of like wait a minute, should it be about us.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Is this a?

country club or is this a church?
Are we here to be entertainedor be reminded of the finish
work of Jesus and our place inthis whole world?
You know?

So it's always changing.

We're always fighting against each other.

And I know there are some people in
here that's doing church stuffin the metaverse and I know that
some of you guys probably getkicked back too about being here
.
Don't stop doing what you'redoing, because we know we've
seen the impact it has onpeople's lives in here and it's
different.
But God's moving in here too,and you guys are an important
piece of that.
So we've got to give away aheadset.

(49:58):
Here's what's going to happenwe're going to pull the contest
lever and if the person whosename comes up on the board isn't
in here, then we're going topull it again.
So we have five people on thelist that's going to be up for
winning this.
After we choose it, I'm goingto bring you guys up as a guest
for a second.
You can sit right here next toJosh for just a minute and, if
you guys please like, make sureyou give him some confetti and

(50:19):
stuff too.
And hey, arcane, if we find thewinner, if the winner comes up,
make sure you hit that guestmusic.
Let's give him some party.
Let's everybody throw someconfetti.
So let's go ahead and see whois the winner of the Oculus 2
headset.
Here it goes Drumrolls,drumroll, mrs Killer, b Brrr.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
I can't do that, brother.

We have Meta Voice.
What it's, meta Voice?
Are you serious?
Oh my gosh, meta Voice.
Ok, hold on, I got to bring youup.
Hold on, meta Voice.
I got to give you permissions.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I got to give you permissions oh my gosh, I cannot
believe this.

This is incredible.
You're muted.
You can talk all your trash uphere.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
I was muted for a good reason.

I didn't want to even myself to
hear what I said.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Actually I was behind it miming.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
The entire time.
I wasn't even speaking thewords.
I was like how did I do that?

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Yeah, I'm so excited.
Oh my gosh, I was in my high.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Oh, I get to sit next to a celebrity, ok.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Well, I was in my head over there going it's going
to be Dana, it's going to beDana, I want to be Dana, but
this is so great.

I'm super excited for you, meta
Voice, because I know like welldone.
I know that you've been one ofyour wife's here.
That's just awesome.
I'm so, I'm so happy that thisis going to work out.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
I mean, I need to see her.

She needs friends.
I would love for you to justtake a couple minutes, just
share, like, what is the KillerB Studios?
The Killer B Studios, if I caneven pronounce it right, what is
it meant to you?

Speaker 6 (51:40):
Yeah, the Killer B Studios to me, has meant
connection.
Since the beginning you havebeen connecting the outside
world to this world and you havebeen proving the formula that
it can be done.
Every time I come here, it'snever hatred, it's never a bad
word, it's never anything likethat.

(52:00):
It's always kindness, it'salways wisdom and it's always
something to learn.
And, of course, those in herethat might not be religious,
it's not always a religiousconversation.
Plenty of times it's aboutthings that are real to us in
our lives.
This has been a great way tomake very I don't know how to
say spiritually connectedfriends.

(52:26):
And like-minded individuals oflife itself, and so that is what
this place is, and that's why Icontinue to show my support the
way I do.
Come on by every Thursday andcommit to shoving people through
this portal whether they chooseto or not.
You should see it on veryforceful.
They know I'm coming.

(52:46):
There's one, steve the Builder.
He actually he's one of thosethat I shoved into the portal
and I see him.
He's been here the whole time.

Steve's still hanging out.
I like it.
He's still here.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
He's still here so yeah, this place is vastly
important and what you're doingis important.
Well, thank you so much metaboys, so we appreciate you.

We appreciate all of you.
Josh, if, out of everythingwe've talked about today, what
would you hope we would walkaway with today?
If it's one thing, that is agood question.

You know, like I was talking about how I grew up.
A few weeks ago after thisdocumentary came out, just
talking through it with mytherapist as you do what do you
grow up and call me and sheasked me, like how did you get
out of it?
How did you get out of thatsituation with the mindset that
you have?

(53:36):
Like I said there's like awhole spiritual component where
I just believe it's the mercy ofGod.
You know, like for whateverreason.
But I also know, and what I'vetalked to her about and what I'd
say to you is I was a reallycurious person.
I had lots of questions andthings that didn't make sense or

(53:59):
seemed like huh, or even stufflike from the outside they were
like that does make sense, whydon't we do that?
Or what's the?
I was asked a lot of questions.
I'm still that way now and Ithink whether it's we're talking
about like spiritual things,religious things, like who is
God and what's my place in allof this and is this stuff that

(54:19):
I've been talking about tonight,is this stuff true?
Like we wrestle with thesethings in life, you know,
because you hear all kinds ofdifferent viewpoints and
perspectives.
We have lots of things that wehave to face in business.
We have things that we'rethey're going on in our culture,
in the political world, whichgagged me, but there's curiosity

(54:41):
changes a lot of things for usand if you're curious, you can
also be like totally okayhearing someone that thinks a
very different way than you Like.
Why do you think that way?
What is?
How did you come to thatconclusion?
You know there's some people inour culture that are great at
curiosity.
You're fascinating to listen to.
So they ask lots of questions,they listen to different people.

(55:01):
They don't jump on others andjudge them, you know, and so
that's my thing.
Like what, even when it comesto, especially the stuff that
I've been talking about, youknow, who is Jesus?
Is this stuff real?
Am I really?
Am I a sinner?
Like, what's the implication ofthat?
If that's true, who is thestuff that Josh shares about?

(55:22):
You know why Jesus came andanything that came from me.
Is this actually too?
Like you explore these things,you're going to find answers.
You're going to find.
You look at the scripture andyou read about who the real
Jesus is, not the one that thecrazy people, or the judgmental
people, or the angry people orthe, you know, predatory type

(55:44):
people have told you about.
You know you're going to findsome answers as you're curious,
and so that would be.
My thing is like explore,question, be curious and just
see where things lead you, andyou're going to learn a lot.
You're going to meet a lot ofgreat people along the way,
otherwise you maybe would havenever talked to, and I think
that that's a pretty cool thing.

(56:04):
And the Bible says if you askand you seek, you seek, you will
find.
Knocking the door will be opento you.
You know, these are things thatare like, so, like cool.
If I'm asking and I'm seekingand I'm knocking, what's going
to happen?
Is this stuff real?

You'll find out pretty fast.
So, yeah, that's good, I lovethat.
I love that, yeah, cause I meanI think that that is a key,
like it's okay to ask questions.
It's actually important for usto ask questions, especially
like with looking at those, likewatching that docu series and
what you're sharing, josh,asking the questions starts
helping you find truth.
A lot of people are afraid toask questions, or, if you're,

(56:42):
I've dealt with people that I'veasked questions and they felt
threatened when I askedquestions.
That's a sign that something'snot right.

So, yeah, that's true in so many areas of our
life right Like yeah.
I can name things in the musicbusiness that if I raise
questions about something,someone gets threatened it might
expose them.
It might, you know, there mightbe a better way, but they
haven't adapted to it, sothey're afraid.
You know there's all thesedifferent things, and if your

(57:08):
goal is to just keep lookinggood to others or be in control,
you know or feel good, you'regoing to lose so much
opportunity.
And so if you start askingquestions and people get riled
up about something, there'sprobably a reason why.

Yup, there's probably a reason why.
There's probably a reason why.
Well, thank you, Josh, for somuch for joining us.
Meta voice, we'll get thatOculus headset.
Stand out to you, man.

I'm sitting next to a winner.
I like this A winner.

Go ahead, Arcane, go ahead and hit
that altar music.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
Thank you for coming.
Come on up, guys.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
For joining us today at Killer V Studio.
Oh yeah, it's been so fun.

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