October 13, 2023 • 49 mins
Rico is inmiddels zo gevestigd in de Nederlandse Hip Hop scene dat hij geen introductie meer nodig heeft.
Niet alleen solo, maar ook samen met Sticks, Opgezwolle en Fakkelbrigade heeft hij legendarische albums op zijn naam staan.
In deze aflevering van NEW VIBES ONLY hebben we het met Rico over zijn album “Rated R”. 💿🎵
Wil je weten hoe dit album tot stand is gekomen in samenwerking met producer Guan?
Het verhaal horen achter zijn bijna beef met Method Man of hoe hij Sticks heeft leren rappen? 📲
Check dan nu deze aflevering en heel veel luisterplezier!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to New Fibers .
Only Today I'm with Rico andwe're going to have his album
Red it Art.
Rico, you've dropped a greatalbum again called Red it Art.
(00:23):
If I'm right, you released yourprevious album about seven
years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yes, seven years ago, IRE was released with ART.
That's more reggae, reggae-mine, reggae-beats, and this is just
a great hip-hop.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
you know, but why did you put it in between?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Of course, I didn't put it in between.
We also dropped it in withSticks 2018, I think we did a
whole tour with Sticks and I,but musically I didn't have the
new input I wanted to writeabout and last year the fire
started to burn and I started tohit it with Gooham.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Exactly, it's called Red it Art.
I think it's a bit like it'sabout how people rate their
films.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
That's literally the title Red it Art.
But for me it's about thefreedom I don't need any more
permission from my idols or fromothers that I can do my own
thing.
That doesn't mean I'm notindependent on a label.
I'm more free from within.
I don't feel like I'm beingcaught anymore.
(01:42):
That's where the title camefrom, and also Red it Art, rico
R.
That really hit it.
It's just a bit of adouble-edged sword.
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
What you're saying on this side you're not going to.
I don't want to say all sides,but you do notice that you don't
like one sound.
You just do what you like.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Exactly.
He sent me a lot of beats everytime and that's where I pick up
a few of them that I just feel.
And well, in general it's allabout hip-hop.
We even had tracks with thatdrum and bass sound and we also
recorded reggae tracks, but inthe end it didn't fit on the
whole track and this trackbecame the one.
(02:24):
This is just right with thevibe and sound, but I get what
you mean.
Sometimes you have more ofthose hip-hop bangers, the
harder tracks, and you dosomething laid-back.
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
How many tracks did you record?
The most expensive process?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think about 13,.
I think towards the 20th.
It was like.
I can tell you that the way Iworked was very different from
the previous track with Sticksby Ism.
We went to the studio in themorning with your Cubus and then
we had a cup of coffee and thenwe started with nothing.
You know, that's when Cubusbeats.
We put them together and write,but I just sent them to each
(03:06):
beat on this track.
I was just going to build thewhole track at home and then we
talked here in this place withBeatbox and then I recorded four
tracks at once in a week.
It was just done by A to Z.
It was very efficient work.
You know, I had a thousandfamily members so I could just
play four hours of free tracksin a week and then just hit four
tracks, bang, and that was it.
(03:26):
I had a lot of work done, sothat worked out really well.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
This album is completely produced by Gewand.
I don't know him myself.
So who is Gewand and where doeshe come from?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Goobang comes from Zwolle.
The funny thing is when he wasin high school he was at the
release party of the fluid, thesoundcheck dance.
I came here at the faculty tomeet the young people who were
busy with rap.
I started 8 years ago.
He came back last year withBeats.
(04:18):
He was already busy 8 years ago, but he was able to hear that
there was a lot of improvementLast year.
He was already pretty wellgrown.
I heard the beat of Spielberg.
I thought, shit, this is justbroken.
So he came with more beats.
Then there was an album from 1track.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So it wasn't even meant to be an album, it was
just one track.
He just kept pushing.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It was a standard story.
He was 1 track and then 2, 3.
He made an EP with 6 tracks,but then you're with 6.
He made a big album.
I think it's cool to have atotal album.
An EP is always like an albumthat isn't finished.
I didn't have enough tracks soI dropped it.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's not hard enough for an album.
I got 6 tracks and then it's an.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
EP.
I'm a member of the album.
I'm glad that I finally made itLast 2 albums were produced by
only one producer.
Yes, it's right, by Cubis, DMTand IRI.
I like to work with oneproducer.
I like to work with oneproducer because you get the
(05:38):
sound.
I like to work with oneproducer in the studio Instead
of just getting beats andrecording with someone else.
I don't go into the processwith one producer.
That was also a great thing.
I recorded tracks and the mixversions stopped in between.
I was like what the sound andthe tracks are all about.
(06:00):
The podcast.
I thought shit, I'm in thefirst position, I know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I was like what the fuck?
I listened to it and I was in apanic.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Those extra things make creative impacts.
It's a more listening story.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's not just about the beats, but it's a raw wire.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
About the production.
You can choose one producer.
You can make a whole album withthat.
Then you can make a wholeworld-wide album.
Who would it?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
be the first one to come up is Timbaland.
I think Timbaland is reallybrilliant.
If you listen to a beat, youdon't hear a lot of people, you
just hear a lot of beats.
At some point a lot of peoplehave taken over that style.
Timbaland is the ground forcertain beats.
I think it's cool that he makesbeats that you can listen to
(07:15):
but can really go out in theclub.
Most of the beats he takes arevery good, but also in LIA he's
very flexible.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I think it's funny to say this.
I see how that could be.
You can hear the sounds and youcan play the crazy flows.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I would go back to the real raw, but not too hard,
I see how I would fill that in.
Maybe I'll give you a messageTimbaland.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
In the song Hank.
You have the story of Hank.
You have various forms ofracism.
What happened inspired you?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It started with the death of George Floyd.
I was in the Black Movement.
I looked at myself and saw howI was in the world of black men.
I realized that I was much morethan just changing my behaviour
(08:35):
.
I was shocked.
I thought it's a kind of shock.
You realize that you're doingit differently from what you're
doing.
You want to make the whitepeople feel at ease.
(08:56):
I used to call it that in theforest.
I used to walk in the forest at11 am on a Sunday morning.
People would come to me and saygood morning.
I was very happy.
I thought good morning.
(09:17):
I wanted to make them feel atease.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I had the impression that they would think what is
this?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
black man doing here?
I was shocked too.
I was with an old classmate inthe forest.
He told me that the black birdwas being picked up by the
police.
What the fuck are you doinghere?
(09:47):
In the forest.
I thought black people likethat are not from nature.
It's not that bad, but it's afeeling that's very threatening.
I took all of that with me.
I've been in a BMW for 5 years.
(10:13):
I've been driving a BMW for40-50 times.
I didn't know how to control it.
I'm driving Volvo now and I'vebeen driving Volvo for 5 years.
I'm not driving carefully orjust in a BMW.
It's all about the small things.
I can call it an accident, butI don't call it an accident.
You're just being judged forbeing a black man in a BMW.
(10:35):
It can never be good.
I heard it last time on thenews of the M4C.
My dad is a real rapist.
He's a black man who lives inParuba.
He had to check the other line.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
He's angry because he's black, he's ashamed.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
He doesn't want to talk to you.
He's going to lose you becausehe's got the power to hold you.
He's doing it and he feels it.
It's really strong.
I would have been a bit harder,to be honest with myself, but I
would have done it very well.
I would have been a black man,my dad would have said what I'm
(11:29):
just doing, what I'm black.
It's beautiful.
These are things that I'm awareof now.
I'm aware of the whole racism.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Did you become aware of the work in your music?
This is something that hasalways been there, but do you
have something like that?
I've become a bit older.
Now I might want to talk aboutit again.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yes, that's true, I might not have done that so
quickly before, but also becauseI wasn't aware enough of what
was happening in this world.
And when I became aware of thatI thought oh man, you want to
work in your lyrics too, but inmy own way.
You know, I can explain it verydifficult, Solving examples in
(12:16):
my lyrics which are clear to meand hopefully for some people
too.
But it doesn't have to be all.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
No, it doesn't have to be preachy or something.
No, exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Not with a finger or something, so I just keep it
open but my findings and myexperience of bringing that
whole thing together, I thinkit's nice to see.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think that many rappers want to talk about what
they want to say, but that theymight not dare to Because they
think that maybe my audience haschanged.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That's also what I've become a bit older, now that
I've gotten more shit Like loveyou, though hey, this don't give
a fuck.
Henk was also at the releaseparty yesterday.
I still haven't made photos ofwhat I had done before.
I thought it's nice to be akind of Think-Bilded person.
He's the biggest Surinamese guy.
(13:09):
He's a very nice guy, you know.
Nothing's a quarter in the way,but I used it as a metaphor
Because Henk is a super Dutchname, you know.
I thought it was cool becausethen, Henk, you know Surinamese
Matthew with the name Henk.
And those contrast things.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think it's nice to use and adapt what did Henk
think when he first started totrack you?
He?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
was like yeah, he's like cool, I beat hard.
We didn't even talk about thetrack.
I don't know if he Did.
You realize that.
Yes.
I did.
And what he thinks about it.
We never talked about it.
He's also a guy who, Look, I'mdouble-blooded and Henk is
full-blooded, but he lives in areal white society, but I have
(13:56):
no idea how he's in there.
Something I want to check.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
In any case, it's cool that he's a dope guy.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He's very dope and I thought he was a real guy.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I'm a dope guy.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
In your track Kissen Rijth.
You also talked about howrappers change their way of
singing.
Since you started to sing,you've changed a lot in the
scene.
I think you're one of thereasons why Dutch people have
gone to next levels, if I maysay so.
(14:48):
But what was the moment whenyou were able to live as a
musician?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I think since 2003,.
After the spring we've beenperforming almost weekly and
then it was like a show, a show,a show, and if you keep
performing weekly you'll getmoney.
But before 2003, it wasn't likethat.
(15:18):
It was like a show, a show, ashow, a show.
But since 2003, it's been likethat.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Did you start to think that you can do something
with it?
That money generates money?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
No, not really, we really started from love.
We wanted to make great musicand when it all started you
realize that you're getting ashow and at the beginning you
had to pay for it.
You had to write us in KVK,otherwise you'd get a divorce
(16:04):
and then the gas was going upand then you think you can live
here.
But it wasn't a starting pointor a goal of us at least not for
me, but at some point ithappened and I thought it's nice
.
But it was like if you didn'thave a show, you wouldn't have
money.
So I went to workshops next toit.
(16:24):
I did it for 20 years untilthree years ago.
I was really ready, you know,because you had a CKV, you know,
cultural day at school.
I had a dream.
I had a dream that I came toschool that there were 16 people
in the class and they were allwearing their clothes.
I told them I think you're justgoing to rap.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
But what do you know, normal?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I'm usually like how annoying hard and I'm like shit
man, I'm here, you know, I puton a beat and then they go rap.
I'm just a little bit on thatbeat.
I thought I really have tocover it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I like doing it, but at the moment it's really just
for the money, and then I thinkthat's where the college came
from.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yes, a little later that was the college I was
approached by the ex-director ofHedon to start this.
He thought I was a good person.
Because I think so?
Because he knows that I can doworkshops and that I can do it
well with young people, andthat's how I started it.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
And.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I still do that with a lot of pleasure every week.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Did you do any training for that?
No, I didn't do any trainingfor that.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
But after three years that I did this, I was able to
do a training for a year foryoung people.
But you actually learn that byyourself, you know, Because if
you know yourself well, then youcan coach and lead other young
people well.
But that was helpful.
It was more for the certificate, you know, Not really a diploma
(17:56):
.
So a year, just one day a weekto school, but for the rest no
training.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
For the rest To come back to go to rappers.
I'm curious what's your topfive and what rappers do all the
time?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well, anyway, sticks.
Maybe I'm prejudiced, you know,because it's my mother, but I
really think she's a complete MC, always a dope, always a point.
I think Ty is also great Allthis time, which I feel just too
poetic, you know, Sometimes itcomes that I don't understand
things, but you have it, it'sdifficult, but he's a really
(18:29):
good rapper.
Duvel Duvel, I think, is justreally rough, really street,
always bars that are just, youknow, never difficult, just hard
, and he just has a gruelingvoice, I think.
I think he's also very dope,yes, also a kind of also always
steady yes, and actually stillExtince.
(18:52):
You know, he's still ageneration, just like Duvel, a
generation that has been alreadyworking on us.
You know he's also really theone who's been the part for the
future rappers, so I think BigAd is his Okay.
It could be that I might haveadapted something about a year
or so, but it's just a bit ofthe mood where you are you know
so?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
maybe you'll have a different list next week because
you'll have to listen to D&D alittle more.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yes, but for now this would be the top five.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Well, I have to ask anyway, because, say, every
generation is inspired bycertain people you know, but who
inspired you at that time?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yes, I think for me personally, especially American
rappers.
And then I would look at myfavorite rappers from that time.
I think Redman, I really thinkRedman is very dope.
Keith Murray Corrupt fromCorrupt Dance you know, Corrupt
is also someone who, for example, is playing with words, you
(19:51):
know Because at the time it wasjust normal that you just spit,
and it seems like now you alwayshave to say something in a very
deep way.
You know, but at the time itwas just raw shit and I really
thought that was dope, andRedman also always did that.
So that is a big inspirationfor me.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I hear that too.
When you say Redman, he alwayshas those crazy lines.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yes, I love it, it's very recognizable, but still
crazy and you know that too.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
so I think that inspiration is also a big part
of that 43 quarantine testsCan't say I didn't learn
anything In the course of therabbit hole, the freckle grove.
Even my dealers said Call themboy, watch out.
Today I put my quets on Atouchable Scarface.
(20:39):
Get up, boys, hepple up, heppleup to lose To win trust.
It's a bit of a crisis insideWith my girlfriend.
I'm heavy in the red HussieFerris in the neighborhood A
very cold shower Sting to red.
Now I'm not drinking smoke.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Is the air held, the one I've set too low, red on the
street, but I can't stayhanging In the cold.
The cold is too much to do.
I'm getting energy and now it'sgood.
It's good and now it's good.
In your track 43 you put quetson.
You say in there, even mydealers said Do me a favor.
(21:13):
And in the other track you sayI think of Junkie XL.
Junkie XL.
Oh, the same track.
What was the moment that youthought I really have to do
something With my girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
To be honest, already quite a long time ago, say in
2005 During the recording ofIgerwereld, I really touched a
psychologist.
I saw things literally fly thatwere not true and then I knew
this is a fake bull.
I was also pulled by the bell.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Did you see that yourself, or were people around
you?
No, I saw it myself.
I saw it myself.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
It was also an extreme situation.
And then I saw it In panic.
My mother called.
She didn't even know that I wassmoking cigarettes or shekis
smoking, and then she said it'snot going well and she said you
have to find a way.
So I went to do that and thenit was going to be Stable all
the time and then it went badagain and so I had to.
I had to be taken up In such aclinic and five years ago I was
(22:11):
really At a point this can't belonger.
And then it went well On theone hand.
But then I thought, okay, thisis going well With that, so now
I can Just drink or something.
But that also went To anger.
I couldn't keep it in my handand it's really long it's
actually been just last year.
Is it going to burn light Of?
(22:32):
Okay, I just can't use Genomicdrugs.
You know where people In theweekend Can do drinks and then
Sunday, okay, ready, or go towork again in a month.
You have to go through it withme Always, you know.
So I couldn't stop and that'sthat's really the mark Of a
sleep and I can also recognizethat I'm also really.
(22:53):
I don't have to To hide itanymore.
You know what?
I am Just Sleeplessly sensitive.
That means that I, if I want tostay healthy, must not use
anything.
So no drink Must take, also notone, because that's the thing I
take a beer or something thatmay go well, but then I think it
went well last week.
Drunk two beers, nothing inhand.
I think I can now go again, andthen two weeks later, I think
(23:16):
On a Wednesday.
Last week it went well.
You know Before you know it, andthat's already Often happens
With falling and up when now itis really clear so now I can
also Really work on it that Ihave to do Really weekly Work to
To stay in recovery, so to say.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And what was the reason that you became a doctor?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Also above, yes, I I think for myself Also as a kind
of stock Behind the door Of youknow, that I I have now I heard
that that I can also do Sneakythings, and that is the second
point Of me Was very sneaky Witheverything you know, very lying
(23:59):
and keeping the screen Laughedwhile I Really went inside Was
really Unconfident.
Unconfident, not muchself-confidence, and I know what
happens when I go back in there.
Then I get all that shit back,you know, I will be sure again.
You know the tension the wholeday.
So then throwing it open is thesmaller chance for me to do it
(24:20):
again.
And the second reason the ideathat there are a lot of people
and already there are not thosepeople they know, people in
their family or in theirfriends' circle who experience
the same thing as me.
So I hope to be able to show akind of support point that they
are not the only ones who sufferfrom their sleep, but that
(24:44):
there is also a way to restel,you know, and that I can be
there for them in that need, youknow.
So I get a lot of reactions onInstagram or DMs.
I actually like it very muchthat you are open here and it
also puts me on the thought howdid you get that?
You know you have tips oradvice for that and of course, I
(25:05):
am not a psychologist, but Ihave advice about what I have
done myself and what it worksfor, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And what advice would you give someone?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I would actually give advice like that to take
meetings.
You know the meetings you seein American movies in such a
circle, you know it's always funto see because I saw it very
often.
I don't know it at all and Iwent there for the first time
last year.
I didn't know what happened tome.
People who just throw theirshit on the table, who just keep
it completely hidden.
You know, my girlfriend herselfknows a lot of things that I
(25:39):
can do at the meetings.
You know About painful thingsyou have done.
In that time where you reallyfeel ashamed, you know, but you
just throw it out, there is aburden falling off, you know.
Then you really feel lighter,you know.
You think, oh, it's gone,Because this is something I have
been doing for years and what Iam not allowed to do.
So you keep that in your body,what you also keep sleeping in
(26:03):
your stomach.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I mean and by being booked open.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You get that toxic shit out of your body.
You know which can make youclean and stay away from it and
that is all good for yourrecovery.
So you take meetings, you tryto throw it open in a way, you
know, or at least go and seekhelp.
That's really important and youare not weak when you seek help
(26:32):
you know, everyone needs help.
It's just very strong when yousay I can't anymore you know, I
need help.
Can you help me?
And I have been with you forthe first years.
You have been with me for along time, but it's not
necessary.
I do have luck.
I have a good life.
I am finally able to come backto this many years.
I don't just have luck.
I need people.
I need things that help me stayclean.
(26:54):
So those are really the tips Igive now.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well, I'm glad you're so open about that, because I
think that many people do thisbut maybe think, oh, I'm the
only one, or you know that it'snot like that, for example, you
as a rapper that it can't bedone.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yes, exactly exactly as long as everyone can touch it
.
Everyone can touch it, everyonecan overcome it.
You know, and actually I thinkthat everyone is very vulnerable
to slavery and in itself it'snot a problem.
Look, if you're slaves to CDsor to music or you're slaves to
sneakers, it's not really badfor your health or something and
(27:32):
for your spirit.
Because that too Well for yourportfolio.
Well for your portfolio.
That can be your shit.
That can be your spirit Shit.
No money, I don't want to getthat shoe.
But, yes, spirit-free meanslike drinking and drugs.
That fuck really goes with yourbody, but especially with your
spirit.
That was with me then and thatI couldn't see more sharp,
couldn't see more bright.
At some point I also got a scar, like hey, is it about me?
(27:55):
You know, those kinds of things.
It's all, it's all very closethings, because then you're
going to keep people in the wallwhile actually yes, while
actually yes you.
It's not really about me.
That's what I can see now.
But if you're going to thinkabout it in your sick spirit,
say, because slavery is reallysick, then you're not going to
trust that one anymore, whilehe's the best with your
(28:17):
ancestors.
You know, you get very strange,weird situations where you
ultimately cut your own fingerswith it.
To put it like that, that'sfucked up.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
But in any case, it's nice to see that you're just
fit now.
Yes, man, you look good.
Thank you, yes, but that'sreally.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
That's where I'm really grateful for it's exactly
what I say.
I feel stronger than ever,physically and mentally.
You know I was in sports school.
I was pushing, you know, Ithink, 60 kilos.
I was pushing three sets.
You know, within a year, just80, with easy, you know, and
squats and so on.
You know, working on yourselfbut then also getting mentally
(28:53):
stronger and I really feel 23now you know it's really bizarre
.
I just said before we went tothe interview.
You know eating in a barrenambe, but I'm really experiencing
that now.
Yes, yes, that's good for me.
How often are you doing?
I try four times, but mostlythree times.
It's really.
It's too difficult for planning.
I have to find a hole.
Every time I find a hole, I'mgoing to do it, anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Three times, yes man, nice man, wonderful, yes, man,
(29:43):
thank you.
I don't want to be a ghost, buta ghost of my what For my cross
.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yes, I don't want to be a ghost, but I want to be a
ghost for my cross, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And that's why you actually want to say that you're
an example, that you're anexample for your children,
exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
An example, indeed, and just literally.
You know, I don't want to be aspoke that is half and half, you
know, although I'm notnecessarily with my head
somewhere else, but I reallywant to be the greatest of all
times for my children, you know,and that sentence, that line
you're taking out, that's thebest line of the record.
You know, that's really theline that says everything, that
everything is a reflection ofhow I'm living now and so after
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my children, you know, but alsoafter myself, because I don't
want to be the kind of personwho feels like a spoke to me,
you know, who kind of like aghost wandering around, but
really want to be the greatestof all times, but for my cross,
you know, yes, also for myself,Because the greatest of all
times for myself is the bestversion of myself.
So, yes, you get exactly theright line.
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Yes, right.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You also say that you can't do anything from a book.
But when did you finish yourjob?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Oh, I'm also asking myself this question.
So you're in front of the block.
Yes, the job is done.
I think if I can give mychildren the feeling and also
the real feeling that it'scompletely open, that they can
always come to me witheverything, all their shit,
always with me, that they don'thave to do anything for
themselves or have to keepsomething for themselves because
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they don't have the feelingthat they can talk to me, yes,
yes, I want to add that that'ssomething that I learned from
home how you didn't have to dothat.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
You know, your brother.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't want to go too much into it.
That's just too much, butthat's something I learned from.
Okay, I'm not going to do this.
You know, I want them to beunrepentant with everything, all
their shit.
To be able to come to me, youalways have to be like this.
You have to be fucking original, that I'm always there for them
(31:49):
.
Then they're done for I think,for me.
You know, I don't care whathappens.
It can be that they go wrong.
You know wrong path.
If things were fucked up, Iwould think, fuck, I didn't do
my best.
I think that you're going todoubt your parents about it, but
if they can still be right withme with that shit and you know,
(32:10):
like yo dad, I didn't do thingsthat I couldn't then I think
it's over, you know, yes, it's avery difficult question indeed,
but if you think that's sofamous maybe you've thought for
yourself then it's over thenit's good.
Exactly, I think that's it.
You know, when I think about it, that's the thing that I'm
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always there for them.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
But that's what.
I'm also a father, I have twochildren, and I also notice that
you're also going to ask forthings from your own youth.
Yes, man, what was I when Ididn't do well, and how did I
feel about it?
And I'm going to make sure thatI don't have that again.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Exactly exactly.
But on the other hand, thatalso.
Oh shit, man.
This is what my parents didvery well with me.
Because I always thought fuckman, why do I have things that I
had to be at home at the time.
But really at the time, youknow what I'm saying?
Shit man, at some point it wasa promise you can go to the city
, but you have to be at home forone hour.
I can just stay at home,because one hour starts shit.
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They also say, yes, you stay athome, right?
So shit, I had to go to thecity very early to have a nice
evening.
But then I look back and think,yes, that was good for me at
the time, because I know forsure that I would be a different
sport, you know, because I wasnot in my youth either.
Yeah, but thank god, guys, I gobad Around.
The time of puberty, I thinkmany people went to the wrong
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side.
Luckily, they came back to thepath, but those were things that
my parents had been through fora long time, so they were also
so strict.
Just small things, not to saythat my children will do that
too, but to see how they are inthat lifetime.
I came back to the idea that itis not really simple.
I thought that this would betight rules.
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You can watch TV at home.
I had the idea that they couldwatch TV for half an hour, but
sometimes they watch TV for twohours.
I know that.
Exactly, but I think that it canbe very difficult.
It is a bit like choose yourbattles at home.
It is very nice, but alsodifficult sometimes, and every
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child is different.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You can not do everything the way you did at
the first grade or the secondgrade.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Exactly it is always different.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It is more fun to watch.
It is funny that I was thefirst to do that.
I was not allowed to call it areplica, but the same character
as the first.
After two weeks I realized thatit is very different.
It is also very different fromthe first, and that is different
, different things, differentthings, different things.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
What is a life lesson that your children would like
to share with you?
That they could always rememberyou when they think back.
That is what your father alwayssaid, I think that.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
If you ask me now I think about my life.
I was on the port.
I was fired because I stayedtwo years behind my husband.
I was fired because I had toleave.
I worked a year after that.
My husband said it is fine ifyou go to school, but you have
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worked a year now you are goingto study here.
You pay for yourself.
I thought if I ever get my MBA,I will do HBO, I will finish it
.
But then I was in second grade.
I just got a job.
In the morning we were on a dayoff from school to the city.
We looked at each other andsaid we are going to make music,
(35:48):
we are going to put everythingin the music city, our heart and
soul.
So short, long short.
Follow your dream.
Study is important, no doubt,but if you really have a passion
for something, you will see itand you will be able to achieve
it.
Follow your dream.
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If you don't do it, you will befired.
If you do it and it is going up, you have not tried it.
That is my lesson to you.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
The track I find the most hard on this album is David
Attenborough, together withStyx.
A super hard beat.
Shout out to Glam for that beatyou will hear it again.
You all came super hard.
There are a few lines I want toexplain To see what the thought
(36:56):
behind it is.
To start with the Beave withthe man.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
I had not seen the security team two years ago.
They saved me.
The story was that the man wasstanding up in the crowd.
There was a stage on the sidewhere the audience could not see
us, but we could sit and checkthe show.
At some point, a chick came upto me and said I can't stand it,
(37:28):
you are stepping on my head.
I was like get on your head.
I was on the stage, but maybe Iwas lucky.
I was completely forgotten afterthe show I thought I would go
to the dressing room and take apicture with the man.
Then a friend came up to me.
He looked at me and said Iwouldn't go in.
(37:52):
I said the man is very weird.
What is his name?
The chick came up to me.
The man came up to me and saidAre you stepping on my head?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
The friend said Are you stepping on my head?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
The woman on the stage was standing on the back
of the stage.
The man was standing on hishead.
The woman was standing on thestage.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I was like what.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
The man was very hyped.
After the show he was veryquiet.
Then the security came up to me.
I said we are going in.
I didn't want to go to thedressing room.
I went home.
I was told by the security thatI wouldn't go in.
If he came to you, he wouldcome to me.
The next day I went to thefront page with the man.
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It was a very strange situation.
I couldn't go in, otherwise Iwould have been very angry with
him.
I had to explain in Englishthat I didn't want to go in.
My intention was to go on hishead.
He stepped on my head.
It was a strange story.
I told him too much?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
No, no, no, I was very curious.
I didn't ask him at first.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I saw the security yesterday.
Did you have any more strange?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
stories from that backstage.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
No, no, I had some funny stories.
The funny thing was that I hada great mindset, you know, great
mindset.
I did a few shows with him.
He said I can join you, but Idid one first.
I did it with Hooded Plank.
I went with him for one first.
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I had to perform in Dave's.
I was hyped I could do thefirst.
I was in the show.
I was in the show with Hard andFlammen.
I was on stage.
I didn't see that it was theend of the stage.
I was just watching theaudience.
They were just coming in andthey were pulling me out of the
stage.
You only had one job to do.
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And then you just fell off thestage.
You could do your thing.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Was it cool?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I don't know if it was recorded.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Otherwise I would have been a YouTuber.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
No, you should have known.
It was really exciting.
I was in the show.
He pulled me out of the stage.
I thought, shit, I have to doone first.
But backstage, all those years,everything happened.
We had a lot of drinks andpeople were crazy, but there
were very few groups.
(40:25):
We had a lot of friends.
We were monogamous.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
How do?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
you say monogamous Just trust, Trust yes.
We were just trust.
When we came back, we weren'tthe guys who thought, hey, you
know, and yes, not really.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Another line that was recorded was that Stik said
Riko is the one who is rapping.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
That's always said.
We met at Henoam on the street.
He said you have a totalpackage, you rap, delivery and
flow.
He didn't have that yet.
That's the reason why he saidRiko is rapping, but he could
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rap for a long time.
So I think it's a bigcompliment that he says
something.
I understand what he meant.
He was 3-4 years younger.
I think he was 15 years old.
When you hear all the firstthings, you still hear that he
was developing.
I was already.
I don't want to say anythingfurther than that, but on a
point where I already had atotal package or that it just
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went wrong.
Naturally, two or three yearslater he was really on the edge
he was under control.
I think he learned a lot from mein the first two years, but the
name was also just finished.
I couldn't learn anything fromhim, but I think it's really
(42:05):
cool what he said.
And the funny thing is that Ialso want to mention something I
knew the sort of I don't knowif it's smooth the hustler
Trigger, the Gambler track.
I had that from DavidAdamborough, the Stam and the
Flow.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
The Adam and the Stoneman's Tote, the Dammetown.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
So I think Sticks is going to take over.
I thought I want to write afire, cool man.
But he had recorded the trackback then.
Because they didn't record ittogether, it wasn't the time for
it.
And then he comes in with, oh,effortless, the flow, effortless
.
I just take him very calm.
So I always had the firstmoment of mother fucker.
(42:43):
I hoped you would take over him.
I'm the Sticks, the Dammetown,and I put the flow effortless.
And then I listen to the fire.
I think, wow, no problem.
How he takes it up like that andthen the beat murder.
That's cool.
And that competition, thatfriendship, competition we
always had.
I'm a support, but I'm asupport so I'm very calm.
(43:07):
He came up with a double flow areggae beat I thought why are
you doing this?
Why are you so busy with thebeat?
But then I listened to himthree times and I thought shit,
you're not doing this, you'rejust taking it differently than
you expected from a beat?
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Did you have the feeling that SticksKran came
with a verse and you thought, ohno, I have to write my own
verse on the news?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Of course I'm going to lie down, because he's very
often busy with the studio.
He's been busy with thebeginning of the year the
beginning of the year and he'sstill writing a lot of papers At
least he's still writing.
I'm writing a lot of thingswith my phone, but when you're
walking by and a sneaky guy ischecking, his bars.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
What's his?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
name.
I read it and I thought that'smy hard bars.
You know what I'm going tothink about, and that you're
going to be a part of the verseand you're going to sweat and I
have to write it again.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Have you ever talked about SticksKran?
Are you going to do somethingtogether?
Just a project, or is thatreally small?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
No, no, no, we could do that.
We never talked about it.
But if the energy is on thesame level and the pairs cross
each other, then it doesn'tmatter.
I think he's the same as we saythat summer can be that we
write together about a year orsomewhere else.
It's like you know each otherso well that at some point you
(44:29):
don't have much to tell.
Everyone is going their own way, I'm going my own way, but if
you have spoken less intensively, then, you might have a lot to
connect which can createsomething nice, and I see that
happen.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Nice.
I'm curious.
You've done a lot of greatthings solo request, on-call,
faco Brigade but what's yourbucket list when it comes to
your musical career?
Or have you done something likethat?
I've done everything.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I've done everything but in the sense of, you know,
with shows and shows or big-time, I mean also small-time, it's
very dope.
But a ziggodome was also a realhigh-time.
You know 14,000, 15,000 peopleyou know standing in a room with
typhoons and rico-sticks.
The show came to check Throughalbums.
(45:35):
I've now really got that 100%energy to continue with music.
I've never had the feeling ofI'm going to quit.
Sometimes those raps, my lastshit and then we'll come back.
I know that you'll come backyou're not going to do it
anymore, but I've never had that, but it was the last time I was
(45:57):
on a wave of flames Not thefact that it could take that
vibe until it started to go wellwith the beats and everything,
but really bucket list stuff.
I'd like to think that it'scool to build tracks with a big
orchestra, but I think it'sreally cool, but you shouldn't
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have to come up with that.
It's the last one with 101 barsright.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I'm going to be a red-boy, I'm going to win.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
I'm going to be like oh cool I wasn't a yellow-boy,
but I really like it to see.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
It's cool.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
But I can always do it.
Yes, that's why.
That's why Something like thatseems fun to do.
I also thought back for years.
I never go on a live band.
That's not hip-hop you know Isaw the Roots with a live band
especially those drums supertight.
I thought it can sound cool andeventually I started working
with bands and formations.
(46:51):
So I want to say that I don'twant to frame anything or work
in a certain area.
I'm open for everything.
If it's just cool, I'm going tolike it.
But what it is, I can't call itthat is what I'm going to
expand in the future.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
But the fire has woken you up again, that you're
just.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yes, 100%, anyway, full flame.
I feel good and what I justtold you, the cards are gone in
my mindset.
You know the world is all open,so there's so much to do and to
find.
And, what's funny, I saw aninterview with Khalees, who is a
(47:36):
singer but also a producer oranything, but he's completely
switched to cooking.
You know your chef now andthey're also like yes, music is
something you can create, butpeople can find it cool or it's
not their taste, but that's just.
(47:58):
You can't say that music is bad.
They say they eat, but it canbe really bad.
It can be really bad.
I'm cool.
That's why it's so difficult forKhalees to cook well, and
there's a new challenge in that.
I thought, wow, man, that'sgreat.
It doesn't have to be all perse music.
It can be something completelydifferent and that's what I see
(48:21):
happen.
I can totally distort it, ordistort it and go for it.
That's what makes it so big andso many things to do, to see,
to experience, that.
I don't exclude anything fromthat.
I think, wow, that's where Ican find my passion.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I want to thank you for this interview.
Thank you.
It's great that you want tocatch us here here in Zwolle.
For the people at home, gocheck this art and enjoy.
Welcome to New Fibers .
Only Today I'm with Rico andwe're going to have his album
Red it Art.
Rico, you've dropped a greatalbum again called Red it Art.
(00:23):
If I'm right, you released yourprevious album about seven
years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yes, seven years ago, IRE was released with ART.
That's more reggae, reggae-mine, reggae-beats, and this is just
a great hip-hop.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
you know, but why did you put it in between?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Of course, I didn't put it in between.
We also dropped it in withSticks 2018, I think we did a
whole tour with Sticks and I,but musically I didn't have the
new input I wanted to writeabout and last year the fire
started to burn and I started tohit it with Gooham.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Exactly, it's called Red it Art.
I think it's a bit like it'sabout how people rate their
films.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
That's literally the title Red it Art.
But for me it's about thefreedom I don't need any more
permission from my idols or fromothers that I can do my own
thing.
That doesn't mean I'm notindependent on a label.
I'm more free from within.
I don't feel like I'm beingcaught anymore.
(01:42):
That's where the title camefrom, and also Red it Art, rico
R.
That really hit it.
It's just a bit of adouble-edged sword.
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
What you're saying on this side you're not going to.
I don't want to say all sides,but you do notice that you don't
like one sound.
You just do what you like.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Exactly.
He sent me a lot of beats everytime and that's where I pick up
a few of them that I just feel.
And well, in general it's allabout hip-hop.
We even had tracks with thatdrum and bass sound and we also
recorded reggae tracks, but inthe end it didn't fit on the
whole track and this trackbecame the one.
(02:24):
This is just right with thevibe and sound, but I get what
you mean.
Sometimes you have more ofthose hip-hop bangers, the
harder tracks, and you dosomething laid-back.
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
How many tracks did you record?
The most expensive process?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think about 13,.
I think towards the 20th.
It was like.
I can tell you that the way Iworked was very different from
the previous track with Sticksby Ism.
We went to the studio in themorning with your Cubus and then
we had a cup of coffee and thenwe started with nothing.
You know, that's when Cubusbeats.
We put them together and write,but I just sent them to each
(03:06):
beat on this track.
I was just going to build thewhole track at home and then we
talked here in this place withBeatbox and then I recorded four
tracks at once in a week.
It was just done by A to Z.
It was very efficient work.
You know, I had a thousandfamily members so I could just
play four hours of free tracksin a week and then just hit four
tracks, bang, and that was it.
(03:26):
I had a lot of work done, sothat worked out really well.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
This album is completely produced by Gewand.
I don't know him myself.
So who is Gewand and where doeshe come from?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Goobang comes from Zwolle.
The funny thing is when he wasin high school he was at the
release party of the fluid, thesoundcheck dance.
I came here at the faculty tomeet the young people who were
busy with rap.
I started 8 years ago.
He came back last year withBeats.
(04:18):
He was already busy 8 years ago, but he was able to hear that
there was a lot of improvementLast year.
He was already pretty wellgrown.
I heard the beat of Spielberg.
I thought, shit, this is justbroken.
So he came with more beats.
Then there was an album from 1track.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So it wasn't even meant to be an album, it was
just one track.
He just kept pushing.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It was a standard story.
He was 1 track and then 2, 3.
He made an EP with 6 tracks,but then you're with 6.
He made a big album.
I think it's cool to have atotal album.
An EP is always like an albumthat isn't finished.
I didn't have enough tracks soI dropped it.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's not hard enough for an album.
I got 6 tracks and then it's an.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
EP.
I'm a member of the album.
I'm glad that I finally made itLast 2 albums were produced by
only one producer.
Yes, it's right, by Cubis, DMTand IRI.
I like to work with oneproducer.
I like to work with oneproducer because you get the
(05:38):
sound.
I like to work with oneproducer in the studio Instead
of just getting beats andrecording with someone else.
I don't go into the processwith one producer.
That was also a great thing.
I recorded tracks and the mixversions stopped in between.
I was like what the sound andthe tracks are all about.
(06:00):
The podcast.
I thought shit, I'm in thefirst position, I know what
you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I was like what the fuck?
I listened to it and I was in apanic.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Those extra things make creative impacts.
It's a more listening story.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's not just about the beats, but it's a raw wire.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
About the production.
You can choose one producer.
You can make a whole album withthat.
Then you can make a wholeworld-wide album.
Who would it?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
be the first one to come up is Timbaland.
I think Timbaland is reallybrilliant.
If you listen to a beat, youdon't hear a lot of people, you
just hear a lot of beats.
At some point a lot of peoplehave taken over that style.
Timbaland is the ground forcertain beats.
I think it's cool that he makesbeats that you can listen to
(07:15):
but can really go out in theclub.
Most of the beats he takes arevery good, but also in LIA he's
very flexible.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I think it's funny to say this.
I see how that could be.
You can hear the sounds and youcan play the crazy flows.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I would go back to the real raw, but not too hard,
I see how I would fill that in.
Maybe I'll give you a messageTimbaland.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
In the song Hank.
You have the story of Hank.
You have various forms ofracism.
What happened inspired you?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It started with the death of George Floyd.
I was in the Black Movement.
I looked at myself and saw howI was in the world of black men.
I realized that I was much morethan just changing my behaviour
(08:35):
.
I was shocked.
I thought it's a kind of shock.
You realize that you're doingit differently from what you're
doing.
You want to make the whitepeople feel at ease.
(08:56):
I used to call it that in theforest.
I used to walk in the forest at11 am on a Sunday morning.
People would come to me and saygood morning.
I was very happy.
I thought good morning.
(09:17):
I wanted to make them feel atease.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I had the impression that they would think what is
this?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
black man doing here?
I was shocked too.
I was with an old classmate inthe forest.
He told me that the black birdwas being picked up by the
police.
What the fuck are you doinghere?
(09:47):
In the forest.
I thought black people likethat are not from nature.
It's not that bad, but it's afeeling that's very threatening.
I took all of that with me.
I've been in a BMW for 5 years.
(10:13):
I've been driving a BMW for40-50 times.
I didn't know how to control it.
I'm driving Volvo now and I'vebeen driving Volvo for 5 years.
I'm not driving carefully orjust in a BMW.
It's all about the small things.
I can call it an accident, butI don't call it an accident.
You're just being judged forbeing a black man in a BMW.
(10:35):
It can never be good.
I heard it last time on thenews of the M4C.
My dad is a real rapist.
He's a black man who lives inParuba.
He had to check the other line.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
He's angry because he's black, he's ashamed.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
He doesn't want to talk to you.
He's going to lose you becausehe's got the power to hold you.
He's doing it and he feels it.
It's really strong.
I would have been a bit harder,to be honest with myself, but I
would have done it very well.
I would have been a black man,my dad would have said what I'm
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just doing, what I'm black.
It's beautiful.
These are things that I'm awareof now.
I'm aware of the whole racism.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Did you become aware of the work in your music?
This is something that hasalways been there, but do you
have something like that?
I've become a bit older.
Now I might want to talk aboutit again.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yes, that's true, I might not have done that so
quickly before, but also becauseI wasn't aware enough of what
was happening in this world.
And when I became aware of thatI thought oh man, you want to
work in your lyrics too, but inmy own way.
You know, I can explain it verydifficult, Solving examples in
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my lyrics which are clear to meand hopefully for some people
too.
But it doesn't have to be all.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
No, it doesn't have to be preachy or something.
No, exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Not with a finger or something, so I just keep it
open but my findings and myexperience of bringing that
whole thing together, I thinkit's nice to see.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think that many rappers want to talk about what
they want to say, but that theymight not dare to Because they
think that maybe my audience haschanged.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
That's also what I've become a bit older, now that
I've gotten more shit Like loveyou, though hey, this don't give
a fuck.
Henk was also at the releaseparty yesterday.
I still haven't made photos ofwhat I had done before.
I thought it's nice to be akind of Think-Bilded person.
He's the biggest Surinamese guy.
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He's a very nice guy, you know.
Nothing's a quarter in the way,but I used it as a metaphor
Because Henk is a super Dutchname, you know.
I thought it was cool becausethen, Henk, you know Surinamese
Matthew with the name Henk.
And those contrast things.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think it's nice to use and adapt what did Henk
think when he first started totrack you?
He?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
was like yeah, he's like cool, I beat hard.
We didn't even talk about thetrack.
I don't know if he Did.
You realize that.
Yes.
I did.
And what he thinks about it.
We never talked about it.
He's also a guy who, Look, I'mdouble-blooded and Henk is
full-blooded, but he lives in areal white society, but I have
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no idea how he's in there.
Something I want to check.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
In any case, it's cool that he's a dope guy.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He's very dope and I thought he was a real guy.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I'm a dope guy.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
In your track Kissen Rijth.
You also talked about howrappers change their way of
singing.
Since you started to sing,you've changed a lot in the
scene.
I think you're one of thereasons why Dutch people have
gone to next levels, if I maysay so.
(14:48):
But what was the moment whenyou were able to live as a
musician?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I think since 2003,.
After the spring we've beenperforming almost weekly and
then it was like a show, a show,a show, and if you keep
performing weekly you'll getmoney.
But before 2003, it wasn't likethat.
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It was like a show, a show, ashow, a show.
But since 2003, it's been likethat.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Did you start to think that you can do something
with it?
That money generates money?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
No, not really, we really started from love.
We wanted to make great musicand when it all started you
realize that you're getting ashow and at the beginning you
had to pay for it.
You had to write us in KVK,otherwise you'd get a divorce
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and then the gas was going upand then you think you can live
here.
But it wasn't a starting pointor a goal of us at least not for
me, but at some point ithappened and I thought it's nice
.
But it was like if you didn'thave a show, you wouldn't have
money.
So I went to workshops next toit.
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I did it for 20 years untilthree years ago.
I was really ready, you know,because you had a CKV, you know,
cultural day at school.
I had a dream.
I had a dream that I came toschool that there were 16 people
in the class and they were allwearing their clothes.
I told them I think you're justgoing to rap.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
But what do you know, normal?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I'm usually like how annoying hard and I'm like shit
man, I'm here, you know, I puton a beat and then they go rap.
I'm just a little bit on thatbeat.
I thought I really have tocover it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I like doing it, but at the moment it's really just
for the money, and then I thinkthat's where the college came
from.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yes, a little later that was the college I was
approached by the ex-director ofHedon to start this.
He thought I was a good person.
Because I think so?
Because he knows that I can doworkshops and that I can do it
well with young people, andthat's how I started it.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
And.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I still do that with a lot of pleasure every week.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Did you do any training for that?
No, I didn't do any trainingfor that.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
But after three years that I did this, I was able to
do a training for a year foryoung people.
But you actually learn that byyourself, you know, Because if
you know yourself well, then youcan coach and lead other young
people well.
But that was helpful.
It was more for the certificate, you know, Not really a diploma
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.
So a year, just one day a weekto school, but for the rest no
training.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
For the rest To come back to go to rappers.
I'm curious what's your topfive and what rappers do all the
time?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well, anyway, sticks.
Maybe I'm prejudiced, you know,because it's my mother, but I
really think she's a complete MC, always a dope, always a point.
I think Ty is also great Allthis time, which I feel just too
poetic, you know, Sometimes itcomes that I don't understand
things, but you have it, it'sdifficult, but he's a really
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good rapper.
Duvel Duvel, I think, is justreally rough, really street,
always bars that are just, youknow, never difficult, just hard
, and he just has a gruelingvoice, I think.
I think he's also very dope,yes, also a kind of also always
steady yes, and actually stillExtince.
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You know, he's still ageneration, just like Duvel, a
generation that has been alreadyworking on us.
You know he's also really theone who's been the part for the
future rappers, so I think BigAd is his Okay.
It could be that I might haveadapted something about a year
or so, but it's just a bit ofthe mood where you are you know
so?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
maybe you'll have a different list next week because
you'll have to listen to D&D alittle more.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yes, but for now this would be the top five.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Well, I have to ask anyway, because, say, every
generation is inspired bycertain people you know, but who
inspired you at that time?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yes, I think for me personally, especially American
rappers.
And then I would look at myfavorite rappers from that time.
I think Redman, I really thinkRedman is very dope.
Keith Murray Corrupt fromCorrupt Dance you know, Corrupt
is also someone who, for example, is playing with words, you
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know Because at the time it wasjust normal that you just spit,
and it seems like now you alwayshave to say something in a very
deep way.
You know, but at the time itwas just raw shit and I really
thought that was dope, andRedman also always did that.
So that is a big inspirationfor me.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I hear that too.
When you say Redman, he alwayshas those crazy lines.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yes, I love it, it's very recognizable, but still
crazy and you know that too.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
so I think that inspiration is also a big part
of that 43 quarantine testsCan't say I didn't learn
anything In the course of therabbit hole, the freckle grove.
Even my dealers said Call themboy, watch out.
Today I put my quets on Atouchable Scarface.
(20:39):
Get up, boys, hepple up, heppleup to lose To win trust.
It's a bit of a crisis insideWith my girlfriend.
I'm heavy in the red HussieFerris in the neighborhood A
very cold shower Sting to red.
Now I'm not drinking smoke.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Is the air held, the one I've set too low, red on the
street, but I can't stayhanging In the cold.
The cold is too much to do.
I'm getting energy and now it'sgood.
It's good and now it's good.
In your track 43 you put quetson.
You say in there, even mydealers said Do me a favor.
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And in the other track you sayI think of Junkie XL.
Junkie XL.
Oh, the same track.
What was the moment that youthought I really have to do
something With my girlfriend?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
To be honest, already quite a long time ago, say in
2005 During the recording ofIgerwereld, I really touched a
psychologist.
I saw things literally fly thatwere not true and then I knew
this is a fake bull.
I was also pulled by the bell.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Did you see that yourself, or were people around
you?
No, I saw it myself.
I saw it myself.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
It was also an extreme situation.
And then I saw it In panic.
My mother called.
She didn't even know that I wassmoking cigarettes or shekis
smoking, and then she said it'snot going well and she said you
have to find a way.
So I went to do that and thenit was going to be Stable all
the time and then it went badagain and so I had to.
I had to be taken up In such aclinic and five years ago I was
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really At a point this can't belonger.
And then it went well On theone hand.
But then I thought, okay, thisis going well With that, so now
I can Just drink or something.
But that also went To anger.
I couldn't keep it in my handand it's really long it's
actually been just last year.
Is it going to burn light Of?
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Okay, I just can't use Genomicdrugs.
You know where people In theweekend Can do drinks and then
Sunday, okay, ready, or go towork again in a month.
You have to go through it withme Always, you know.
So I couldn't stop and that'sthat's really the mark Of a
sleep and I can also recognizethat I'm also really.
(22:53):
I don't have to To hide itanymore.
You know what?
I am Just Sleeplessly sensitive.
That means that I, if I want tostay healthy, must not use
anything.
So no drink Must take, also notone, because that's the thing I
take a beer or something thatmay go well, but then I think it
went well last week.
Drunk two beers, nothing inhand.
I think I can now go again, andthen two weeks later, I think
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On a Wednesday.
Last week it went well.
You know Before you know it, andthat's already Often happens
With falling and up when now itis really clear so now I can
also Really work on it that Ihave to do Really weekly Work to
To stay in recovery, so to say.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
And what was the reason that you became a doctor?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Also above, yes, I I think for myself Also as a kind
of stock Behind the door Of youknow, that I I have now I heard
that that I can also do Sneakythings, and that is the second
point Of me Was very sneaky Witheverything you know, very lying
(23:59):
and keeping the screen Laughedwhile I Really went inside Was
really Unconfident.
Unconfident, not muchself-confidence, and I know what
happens when I go back in there.
Then I get all that shit back,you know, I will be sure again.
You know the tension the wholeday.
So then throwing it open is thesmaller chance for me to do it
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again.
And the second reason the ideathat there are a lot of people
and already there are not thosepeople they know, people in
their family or in theirfriends' circle who experience
the same thing as me.
So I hope to be able to show akind of support point that they
are not the only ones who sufferfrom their sleep, but that
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there is also a way to restel,you know, and that I can be
there for them in that need, youknow.
So I get a lot of reactions onInstagram or DMs.
I actually like it very muchthat you are open here and it
also puts me on the thought howdid you get that?
You know you have tips oradvice for that and of course, I
(25:05):
am not a psychologist, but Ihave advice about what I have
done myself and what it worksfor, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And what advice would you give someone?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I would actually give advice like that to take
meetings.
You know the meetings you seein American movies in such a
circle, you know it's always funto see because I saw it very
often.
I don't know it at all and Iwent there for the first time
last year.
I didn't know what happened tome.
People who just throw theirshit on the table, who just keep
it completely hidden.
You know, my girlfriend herselfknows a lot of things that I
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can do at the meetings.
You know About painful thingsyou have done.
In that time where you reallyfeel ashamed, you know, but you
just throw it out, there is aburden falling off, you know.
Then you really feel lighter,you know.
You think, oh, it's gone,Because this is something I have
been doing for years and what Iam not allowed to do.
So you keep that in your body,what you also keep sleeping in
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your stomach.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I mean and by being booked open.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You get that toxic shit out of your body.
You know which can make youclean and stay away from it and
that is all good for yourrecovery.
So you take meetings, you tryto throw it open in a way, you
know, or at least go and seekhelp.
That's really important and youare not weak when you seek help
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you know, everyone needs help.
It's just very strong when yousay I can't anymore you know, I
need help.
Can you help me?
And I have been with you forthe first years.
You have been with me for along time, but it's not
necessary.
I do have luck.
I have a good life.
I am finally able to come backto this many years.
I don't just have luck.
I need people.
I need things that help me stayclean.
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So those are really the tips Igive now.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well, I'm glad you're so open about that, because I
think that many people do thisbut maybe think, oh, I'm the
only one, or you know that it'snot like that, for example, you
as a rapper that it can't bedone.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yes, exactly exactly as long as everyone can touch it
.
Everyone can touch it, everyonecan overcome it.
You know, and actually I thinkthat everyone is very vulnerable
to slavery and in itself it'snot a problem.
Look, if you're slaves to CDsor to music or you're slaves to
sneakers, it's not really badfor your health or something and
(27:32):
for your spirit.
Because that too Well for yourportfolio.
Well for your portfolio.
That can be your shit.
That can be your spirit Shit.
No money, I don't want to getthat shoe.
But, yes, spirit-free meanslike drinking and drugs.
That fuck really goes with yourbody, but especially with your
spirit.
That was with me then and thatI couldn't see more sharp,
couldn't see more bright.
At some point I also got a scar, like hey, is it about me?
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You know, those kinds of things.
It's all, it's all very closethings, because then you're
going to keep people in the wallwhile actually yes, while
actually yes you.
It's not really about me.
That's what I can see now.
But if you're going to thinkabout it in your sick spirit,
say, because slavery is reallysick, then you're not going to
trust that one anymore, whilehe's the best with your
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ancestors.
You know, you get very strange,weird situations where you
ultimately cut your own fingerswith it.
To put it like that, that'sfucked up.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
But in any case, it's nice to see that you're just
fit now.
Yes, man, you look good.
Thank you, yes, but that'sreally.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
That's where I'm really grateful for it's exactly
what I say.
I feel stronger than ever,physically and mentally.
You know I was in sports school.
I was pushing, you know, Ithink, 60 kilos.
I was pushing three sets.
You know, within a year, just80, with easy, you know, and
squats and so on.
You know, working on yourselfbut then also getting mentally
(28:53):
stronger and I really feel 23now you know it's really bizarre
.
I just said before we went tothe interview.
You know eating in a barrenambe, but I'm really experiencing
that now.
Yes, yes, that's good for me.
How often are you doing?
I try four times, but mostlythree times.
It's really.
It's too difficult for planning.
I have to find a hole.
Every time I find a hole, I'mgoing to do it, anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Three times, yes man, nice man, wonderful, yes, man,
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thank you.
I don't want to be a ghost, buta ghost of my what For my cross
.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yes, I don't want to be a ghost, but I want to be a
ghost for my cross, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
And that's why you actually want to say that you're
an example, that you're anexample for your children,
exactly.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
An example, indeed, and just literally.
You know, I don't want to be aspoke that is half and half, you
know, although I'm notnecessarily with my head
somewhere else, but I reallywant to be the greatest of all
times for my children, you know,and that sentence, that line
you're taking out, that's thebest line of the record.
You know, that's really theline that says everything, that
everything is a reflection ofhow I'm living now and so after
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my children, you know, but alsoafter myself, because I don't
want to be the kind of personwho feels like a spoke to me,
you know, who kind of like aghost wandering around, but
really want to be the greatestof all times, but for my cross,
you know, yes, also for myself,Because the greatest of all
times for myself is the bestversion of myself.
So, yes, you get exactly theright line.
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Yes, right.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You also say that you can't do anything from a book.
But when did you finish yourjob?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Oh, I'm also asking myself this question.
So you're in front of the block.
Yes, the job is done.
I think if I can give mychildren the feeling and also
the real feeling that it'scompletely open, that they can
always come to me witheverything, all their shit,
always with me, that they don'thave to do anything for
themselves or have to keepsomething for themselves because
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they don't have the feelingthat they can talk to me, yes,
yes, I want to add that that'ssomething that I learned from
home how you didn't have to dothat.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
You know, your brother.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't want to go too much into it.
That's just too much, butthat's something I learned from.
Okay, I'm not going to do this.
You know, I want them to beunrepentant with everything, all
their shit.
To be able to come to me, youalways have to be like this.
You have to be fucking original, that I'm always there for them
(31:49):
.
Then they're done for I think,for me.
You know, I don't care whathappens.
It can be that they go wrong.
You know wrong path.
If things were fucked up, Iwould think, fuck, I didn't do
my best.
I think that you're going todoubt your parents about it, but
if they can still be right withme with that shit and you know,
(32:10):
like yo dad, I didn't do thingsthat I couldn't then I think
it's over, you know, yes, it's avery difficult question indeed,
but if you think that's sofamous maybe you've thought for
yourself then it's over thenit's good.
Exactly, I think that's it.
You know, when I think about it, that's the thing that I'm
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always there for them.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
But that's what.
I'm also a father, I have twochildren, and I also notice that
you're also going to ask forthings from your own youth.
Yes, man, what was I when Ididn't do well, and how did I
feel about it?
And I'm going to make sure thatI don't have that again.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Exactly exactly.
But on the other hand, thatalso.
Oh shit, man.
This is what my parents didvery well with me.
Because I always thought fuckman, why do I have things that I
had to be at home at the time.
But really at the time, youknow what I'm saying?
Shit man, at some point it wasa promise you can go to the city
, but you have to be at home forone hour.
I can just stay at home,because one hour starts shit.
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They also say, yes, you stay athome, right?
So shit, I had to go to thecity very early to have a nice
evening.
But then I look back and think,yes, that was good for me at
the time, because I know forsure that I would be a different
sport, you know, because I wasnot in my youth either.
Yeah, but thank god, guys, I gobad Around.
The time of puberty, I thinkmany people went to the wrong
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side.
Luckily, they came back to thepath, but those were things that
my parents had been through fora long time, so they were also
so strict.
Just small things, not to saythat my children will do that
too, but to see how they are inthat lifetime.
I came back to the idea that itis not really simple.
I thought that this would betight rules.
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You can watch TV at home.
I had the idea that they couldwatch TV for half an hour, but
sometimes they watch TV for twohours.
I know that.
Exactly, but I think that it canbe very difficult.
It is a bit like choose yourbattles at home.
It is very nice, but alsodifficult sometimes, and every
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child is different.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You can not do everything the way you did at
the first grade or the secondgrade.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Exactly it is always different.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It is more fun to watch.
It is funny that I was thefirst to do that.
I was not allowed to call it areplica, but the same character
as the first.
After two weeks I realized thatit is very different.
It is also very different fromthe first, and that is different
, different things, differentthings, different things.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
What is a life lesson that your children would like
to share with you?
That they could always rememberyou when they think back.
That is what your father alwayssaid, I think that.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
If you ask me now I think about my life.
I was on the port.
I was fired because I stayedtwo years behind my husband.
I was fired because I had toleave.
I worked a year after that.
My husband said it is fine ifyou go to school, but you have
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worked a year now you are goingto study here.
You pay for yourself.
I thought if I ever get my MBA,I will do HBO, I will finish it
.
But then I was in second grade.
I just got a job.
In the morning we were on a dayoff from school to the city.
We looked at each other andsaid we are going to make music,
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we are going to put everythingin the music city, our heart and
soul.
So short, long short.
Follow your dream.
Study is important, no doubt,but if you really have a passion
for something, you will see itand you will be able to achieve
it.
Follow your dream.
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If you don't do it, you will befired.
If you do it and it is going up, you have not tried it.
That is my lesson to you.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
The track I find the most hard on this album is David
Attenborough, together withStyx.
A super hard beat.
Shout out to Glam for that beatyou will hear it again.
You all came super hard.
There are a few lines I want toexplain To see what the thought
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behind it is.
To start with the Beave withthe man.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
I had not seen the security team two years ago.
They saved me.
The story was that the man wasstanding up in the crowd.
There was a stage on the sidewhere the audience could not see
us, but we could sit and checkthe show.
At some point, a chick came upto me and said I can't stand it,
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you are stepping on my head.
I was like get on your head.
I was on the stage, but maybe Iwas lucky.
I was completely forgotten afterthe show I thought I would go
to the dressing room and take apicture with the man.
Then a friend came up to me.
He looked at me and said Iwouldn't go in.
(37:52):
I said the man is very weird.
What is his name?
The chick came up to me.
The man came up to me and saidAre you stepping on my head?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
The friend said Are you stepping on my head?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
The woman on the stage was standing on the back
of the stage.
The man was standing on hishead.
The woman was standing on thestage.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I was like what.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
The man was very hyped.
After the show he was veryquiet.
Then the security came up to me.
I said we are going in.
I didn't want to go to thedressing room.
I went home.
I was told by the security thatI wouldn't go in.
If he came to you, he wouldcome to me.
The next day I went to thefront page with the man.
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It was a very strange situation.
I couldn't go in, otherwise Iwould have been very angry with
him.
I had to explain in Englishthat I didn't want to go in.
My intention was to go on hishead.
He stepped on my head.
It was a strange story.
I told him too much?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
No, no, no, I was very curious.
I didn't ask him at first.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I saw the security yesterday.
Did you have any more strange?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
stories from that backstage.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
No, no, I had some funny stories.
The funny thing was that I hada great mindset, you know, great
mindset.
I did a few shows with him.
He said I can join you, but Idid one first.
I did it with Hooded Plank.
I went with him for one first.
(39:32):
I had to perform in Dave's.
I was hyped I could do thefirst.
I was in the show.
I was in the show with Hard andFlammen.
I was on stage.
I didn't see that it was theend of the stage.
I was just watching theaudience.
They were just coming in andthey were pulling me out of the
stage.
You only had one job to do.
(39:54):
And then you just fell off thestage.
You could do your thing.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Was it cool?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I don't know if it was recorded.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Otherwise I would have been a YouTuber.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
No, you should have known.
It was really exciting.
I was in the show.
He pulled me out of the stage.
I thought, shit, I have to doone first.
But backstage, all those years,everything happened.
We had a lot of drinks andpeople were crazy, but there
were very few groups.
(40:25):
We had a lot of friends.
We were monogamous.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
How do?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
you say monogamous Just trust, Trust yes.
We were just trust.
When we came back, we weren'tthe guys who thought, hey, you
know, and yes, not really.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Another line that was recorded was that Stik said
Riko is the one who is rapping.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
That's always said.
We met at Henoam on the street.
He said you have a totalpackage, you rap, delivery and
flow.
He didn't have that yet.
That's the reason why he saidRiko is rapping, but he could
(41:17):
rap for a long time.
So I think it's a bigcompliment that he says
something.
I understand what he meant.
He was 3-4 years younger.
I think he was 15 years old.
When you hear all the firstthings, you still hear that he
was developing.
I was already.
I don't want to say anythingfurther than that, but on a
point where I already had atotal package or that it just
(41:43):
went wrong.
Naturally, two or three yearslater he was really on the edge
he was under control.
I think he learned a lot from mein the first two years, but the
name was also just finished.
I couldn't learn anything fromhim, but I think it's really
(42:05):
cool what he said.
And the funny thing is that Ialso want to mention something I
knew the sort of I don't knowif it's smooth the hustler
Trigger, the Gambler track.
I had that from DavidAdamborough, the Stam and the
Flow.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
The Adam and the Stoneman's Tote, the Dammetown.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
So I think Sticks is going to take over.
I thought I want to write afire, cool man.
But he had recorded the trackback then.
Because they didn't record ittogether, it wasn't the time for
it.
And then he comes in with, oh,effortless, the flow, effortless
.
I just take him very calm.
So I always had the firstmoment of mother fucker.
(42:43):
I hoped you would take over him.
I'm the Sticks, the Dammetown,and I put the flow effortless.
And then I listen to the fire.
I think, wow, no problem.
How he takes it up like that andthen the beat murder.
That's cool.
And that competition, thatfriendship, competition we
always had.
I'm a support, but I'm asupport so I'm very calm.
(43:07):
He came up with a double flow areggae beat I thought why are
you doing this?
Why are you so busy with thebeat?
But then I listened to himthree times and I thought shit,
you're not doing this, you'rejust taking it differently than
you expected from a beat?
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Did you have the feeling that SticksKran came
with a verse and you thought, ohno, I have to write my own
verse on the news?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Of course I'm going to lie down, because he's very
often busy with the studio.
He's been busy with thebeginning of the year the
beginning of the year and he'sstill writing a lot of papers At
least he's still writing.
I'm writing a lot of thingswith my phone, but when you're
walking by and a sneaky guy ischecking, his bars.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
What's his?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
name.
I read it and I thought that'smy hard bars.
You know what I'm going tothink about, and that you're
going to be a part of the verseand you're going to sweat and I
have to write it again.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Have you ever talked about SticksKran?
Are you going to do somethingtogether?
Just a project, or is thatreally small?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
No, no, no, we could do that.
We never talked about it.
But if the energy is on thesame level and the pairs cross
each other, then it doesn'tmatter.
I think he's the same as we saythat summer can be that we
write together about a year orsomewhere else.
It's like you know each otherso well that at some point you
(44:29):
don't have much to tell.
Everyone is going their own way, I'm going my own way, but if
you have spoken less intensively, then, you might have a lot to
connect which can createsomething nice, and I see that
happen.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Nice.
I'm curious.
You've done a lot of greatthings solo request, on-call,
faco Brigade but what's yourbucket list when it comes to
your musical career?
Or have you done something likethat?
I've done everything.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I've done everything but in the sense of, you know,
with shows and shows or big-time, I mean also small-time, it's
very dope.
But a ziggodome was also a realhigh-time.
You know 14,000, 15,000 peopleyou know standing in a room with
typhoons and rico-sticks.
The show came to check Throughalbums.
(45:35):
I've now really got that 100%energy to continue with music.
I've never had the feeling ofI'm going to quit.
Sometimes those raps, my lastshit and then we'll come back.
I know that you'll come backyou're not going to do it
anymore, but I've never had that, but it was the last time I was
(45:57):
on a wave of flames Not thefact that it could take that
vibe until it started to go wellwith the beats and everything,
but really bucket list stuff.
I'd like to think that it'scool to build tracks with a big
orchestra, but I think it'sreally cool, but you shouldn't
(46:19):
have to come up with that.
It's the last one with 101 barsright.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I'm going to be a red-boy, I'm going to win.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
I'm going to be like oh cool I wasn't a yellow-boy,
but I really like it to see.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
It's cool.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
But I can always do it.
Yes, that's why.
That's why Something like thatseems fun to do.
I also thought back for years.
I never go on a live band.
That's not hip-hop you know Isaw the Roots with a live band
especially those drums supertight.
I thought it can sound cool andeventually I started working
with bands and formations.
(46:51):
So I want to say that I don'twant to frame anything or work
in a certain area.
I'm open for everything.
If it's just cool, I'm going tolike it.
But what it is, I can't call itthat is what I'm going to
expand in the future.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
But the fire has woken you up again, that you're
just.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yes, 100%, anyway, full flame.
I feel good and what I justtold you, the cards are gone in
my mindset.
You know the world is all open,so there's so much to do and to
find.
And, what's funny, I saw aninterview with Khalees, who is a
(47:36):
singer but also a producer oranything, but he's completely
switched to cooking.
You know your chef now andthey're also like yes, music is
something you can create, butpeople can find it cool or it's
not their taste, but that's just.
(47:58):
You can't say that music is bad.
They say they eat, but it canbe really bad.
It can be really bad.
I'm cool.
That's why it's so difficult forKhalees to cook well, and
there's a new challenge in that.
I thought, wow, man, that'sgreat.
It doesn't have to be all perse music.
It can be something completelydifferent and that's what I see
(48:21):
happen.
I can totally distort it, ordistort it and go for it.
That's what makes it so big andso many things to do, to see,
to experience, that.
I don't exclude anything fromthat.
I think, wow, that's where Ican find my passion.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I want to thank you for this interview.
Thank you.
It's great that you want tocatch us here here in Zwolle.
For the people at home, gocheck this art and enjoy.
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