October 13, 2023 • 30 mins
Tiewai is inmiddels een Belgische rap veteraan die al meer dan 20 jaar muziek maakt. Hij was getekend bij Eigen Makelij en heeft ook eerder gewerkt met onder andere Adje, Roscovitch & Nosa (Zo Moeilijk) en Hayzee (Zwart Licht). 🇧🇪🇳🇱
In de nieuwe aflevering van NEW VIBES ONLY hebben wij het met Tiewai over zijn album “Stickies & Samples 2”. 🌬️🎵
Wil je weten hoe hij op dit album samen heeft kunnen werken met de legends Rico & Sticks? 🤝🏽
Hoe hij zijn era heeft beleefd en wat hij vindt van de Belgische rapscène? 🎤
Check dan nu deze aflevering en heel veel luisterplezier!
00:45 Tiewai vertelt over zijn roots en waar hij is opgegroeid.
01:31 Wanneer is Tiewai begonnen met het maken van muziek?
02:43 Waar komt de naam Tiewai vandaan?
03:22 Wat was Tiewai’s gedachte over het concept van “Stickies & Samples”?
04:33 Wat zijn volgens Tiewai de grootste verschillen tussen “Stickies & Samples 1” & “Stickies & Samples 2”?
06:09 Wat waren Tiewai’s dromen in het begin van zijn carrière (2006)?
09:31 Tiewai vertelt de verschillen tussen de Belgische rapscène toen hij begon ten opzichte van de scène nu.
12:19 Wat is Tiewai’s Top 5 Belgische rappers?
16:24 Op welke manier was Tiewai in zijn jongere jaren op zoek naar erkenning?
17:35 Tiewai vertelt over zijn samenwerkingen met Sticks & Rico.
26:47 Waarom heeft Tiewai alle interludes laten inspreken op dit album?
28:09 Wat kunnen we de komende tijd van Tiewai verwachten?
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
complaining.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We are in Gink, Belgium today.
This is the second new Fibers,only that we shoot in Belgium.
We are here in George and theBear.
I think it's a vinyl recordstore.
Yes, vinyl coffee, yes, with noone else than TWI.
I was really welcome.
But I'm with you and indeed theSwiss is coming.
(00:43):
But, yes, yes, of course,before we talk about your music,
I'm very curious about who youare and where is your route.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh, who am I?
I'm Thierry Alderaan of Rans,34, bina.
I've been working for 20 years.
I was in my route in Gink.
I already said that there werea lot of mine workers coming in.
I have a father he iscompletely Belgian, and my
(01:14):
mother is half Italian, halfPolish, so it's a smelt cruise
from various countries.
But yes, my route is here inGink in the Diplom which I also
say.
So that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And when did you start making music?
How did that go?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
In 2002 we started.
I say we because I started witha group of friends.
We started with players.
How did that start, while herelocal and a number of rappers
Odyssey, I don't know thatalready it was with Don.
(01:57):
Luca Gio Iho from our business,also with Cannabio, also with
Black, and then we had Nubser,who also rap here, and his
brother.
So mainly because of the guysyou know, we checked a lot in
the week and all the shit thatcame.
But when they came it was likewow, I can also in Dutch and
(02:23):
also in our city language.
I would say, and that was anopening of OK, I want that too.
And then we started with usfour.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Great, and where did you come from?
It's a pretty strange name.
I've never heard of it before.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, that was also Death State.
A friend of mine, livi, he wasalso a player.
He said, yeah, terry.
So my name the T and the Igrac,this is TY Mouw wrote it just
for Nétis.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you have brought Sticky samples
(03:23):
.
1 in 2020?
Yeah, yeah, what was yourthought behind the concert?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I was actually mainly .
You know that was the firstalbum I made with the WETZ.
We started with that.
I knew WETZ for a very longtime.
We were on a trip togetherwithout any intention.
It never came to us to makemusic together, until then a
social friend, also a manager,he said boys, you know there's a
(03:54):
lot of people there.
We just came together, westarted looking for samples,
chopping.
There were some, and then therewas a nice little rock and then
you said and it was just thatvibe what we wanted to catch.
Just go to the studio together,don't think too much.
(04:15):
Rap and just vibe.
And then Sticky's came.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, exactly, and then you just go unnoticed.
How you sound, exactly, notreally over the top, just
momentum and that's how itsounds.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Then it's all over the place.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But what are the biggest differences between
Sticky's samples 1 and yournewer Sticky's samples 2?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
The biggest difference, in my opinion, is
that I think I know what I haveto do now.
Personally, the beats are alittle bit harder, a little bit
more raw.
It's more like a vibe with me,a vibe with him.
I think it's a bit more matureand there's an album.
(05:07):
You know what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I want to rap, rap and stuff like that.
Part 2 sounds darker, moreangry sometimes.
What do you think about lifenow?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, not exactly like a bad person or something
like that, but we've tapedeverything when it was winter it
was a bit darker.
So I think that that vibe hasmade me more lean In your track,
(06:10):
fort Fiesta.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You have a kind of a look back to 2006.
There you also have a trackwith Rika.
There you also have two guyswith big dreams the world on our
feet.
What were your dreams in thoseperiods?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think we weren't that long to hit that moment, so
we're already very hungry.
But we know that when you start, you want to make everyone
broke and show that you're thebest, and just blow up.
In what way?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
For everyone, it's different, but one wants to sell
out the other wants to be on TV.
What was it exactly?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
For me personally.
I was in that Zwollevaart.
I just wanted to come fasterthan them.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Actually, I came there more and more.
Do you feel that you are nowworth that dream, or are you now
included?
I am included.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
The dream I had back then, as I said, was not.
It's not that I'm living mylife with music.
Maybe in Belgium it's differenthere than in the Netherlands.
You can't really eat from here,except a few artists, but on
the other hand, I said that Iwas looking forward to
(07:48):
Zwollevaart.
I'm not blessed to be able towork with Timan, including James
.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Nosa.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Solushen, so I'm happy with that.
What are your dreams?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
now.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
My dream is to have a better family situation or to
create a family environment.
I can also make music with myjob.
I work 45 hours a day and Iwould rather do part-time music.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm just a little bit closer to my heart, I can do
something.
I like.
I also think it's great thatyou are honest in your music.
You have a full-time job.
Some rappers don't want to saythat, but you say that.
What's the reason you're soopen about that?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I don't think it's a big deal to talk about who I am
or what I do.
I think it's a big deal to talkabout what people are saying.
I think why would I followsomeone?
I'm not how.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm not in there.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
In your track Pirouette, you're talking about
the Belgian rap game.
You're a bit critical about it.
One of the lines you have is Ican't act like boys anymore.
What's your era?
Oh, your era is about respect,right?
Yes, yes yes.
(09:53):
How do you look at the Belgianscene At this moment?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I think we've made a big improvement.
I can see that everything isstill in the children's shoes.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So you're talking about your era.
How did your era look like?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I was talking about castes.
We went to work together to buyan NPC and to be able to push
tapes.
We were there and now you cansee how everything has been
renovated.
It's very good for the wholeculture.
There are many differences.
We had to go to a mic sessionin the past.
(10:37):
We had to fight for a place tohave our mic.
Then we came from Eind enFergarde, which was fun.
People from Brussels, antwerp,everyone is at home now.
The Belgian scene is good, howwe've made a good progress.
(11:00):
The climate is changing.
There are many young MCs whocan do things.
It doesn't sound like it was inthe past, but it's not bad.
It's more commercial, but itopens doors for other people.
I'm very positive about that.
(11:21):
I personally find it less,because I notice that there are
many younger MCs, a newgeneration, who do their best to
get into the stage with theDutch accent.
I don't have a lot of problemswith that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It's not necessary.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I think it's a part of losing identity.
I think that's a shame.
If you want to do that, fine.
I understand that the Dutch arealso a big offside, but we
speak the same language.
That's not really an issue.
I think we're doing very wellin Belgium.
(12:05):
We can still be back in theNetherlands for 10 years.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I do feel that it's really starting to come.
Exactly, what is your top 5Belgian rappers?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Swanger Ruggie standard, the best rapper.
I also won many rap, real rap,hard rap, Good tracks, honesty,
I would say Kloos, yes, I knowhim.
He's a bit smaller now, but Ithink he's one of the most
(12:46):
important MCs Top 5 for me also,Rika.
He has a unique sound, uniquevoice, something no one does,
and he has so much to tell.
And that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm a man.
You were all together for along time.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Thank you, I think you have three now.
I would say Yellow.
I know Yellow, but it's a goodreason to watch this video.
He also has the time I wasstill rapping at Eigenmakerlei,
but he hasn't done anything fora long time.
(13:29):
He just released a solo albumand he's a real bum.
It's not really hip-hop, it's abit wider, but it's super hard.
And then the last one.
I think that's what I'm talkingabout with Don.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Luca.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Also Ron Het Veet.
He's already 20, 25 years oldand his music is getting better.
The authenticity, the identity,is also super strong.
That's what I'm talking about.
That's what it is at the moment.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
It can always change.
You just mentionedEigenmakerlei.
I know that it was a label in.
Belgium.
I don't know much about it.
I know you were there, but Ithink it was a pretty big label.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I think at that time, when it was a Belgian, it was
almost ten years ago it wasactually a label.
At that time they had Safi etMechelen taken, sprayet Gent and
(14:49):
me from Limburg.
It was a good move for all theprovinces.
It was really hard to believeat that time we could do a lot
of things in the top match.
We also got food in theNetherlands.
I think we have reached thatpoint with EM.
That's a really good basis forthe scene.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It seems like an era that has been there when certain
MCs can be in the screen.
Do you know why it stopped?
For me, it was out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I wouldn't say anything.
It's a bit of a waste of time,but I think everyone.
I said we made nine compilationalbums.
It was a really good time.
We became older.
I focused more on my personallife on my family, I think
(15:55):
everyone had their own search,but we didn't leave because we
were always together.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
In your track live with Styx you say I'm not
looking for recognition anymore.
I'm making my own script andplanning If I'm right.
I'm not looking for recognitionanymore.
Exactly.
How did you find recognition?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I always say I'm always on the run.
I hear the best of them, I hearpeople shoot with me.
I was very busy with you.
I'm not a person.
Maybe they're not the kind ofpeople you're talking about,
like a mask or an image orsomething like that, but I've
(17:12):
just let them go.
Maybe it's because I've becomea father now and you know I'm 34
, everything's calm and I'm notworking on it anymore.
That's not a priority anymoreto be there.
I'm just happy when I can makemusic and become a person who
(17:33):
comes to me.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Exactly, as I just said, there are also sticks on
your track live.
I think we're about one age, sowe're all dressed up in that
dress.
In fact, with the two of them,we're all dressed up in a
turntable and everything.
Why did you choose to have themall on separate tracks?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
There was no choice.
That's just how it went.
In the first instance I hadcontacted them all not to make
music.
I had my samples out and I saidit was a record that I'm really
satisfied with.
I had to send it to boys, but Ihad to send it to a package
(18:20):
shop and we had to check thevinyl.
And then I got a message backand the guys were really
enthusiastic, so it was nice tohear them.
And then the cooperationcontinued, because it wasn't the
(18:41):
intention of me to make a trackwith them, but to make a record
together or separately.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
How did it go?
You guys are really on my norm.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yes, I think it's a shame that we can't dive into
the studio together because ofthe whole pandemic and
everything.
But it went really well Withthe Sticks.
I wrote my songs with him andit went really well With Rico.
It all went more organically.
I also wrote some beat-jocossent them, messaged them.
(19:18):
It was online.
It worked really well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes, it sounds really cool.
If you still hear the chemistrythat you guys have, especially
the track with your Sticks, youhear that you're really playing
together and the lyrics arereally cool.
Thank you, so Rico and Sticksare two legends.
I think it's always been adream collab for you.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yes, of course, if I can make a team with Timan, I
can go on Friday, but whichpeople do you have more on your
list?
There are two that I reallylike to do with him.
One that I don't think ispossible.
I'd like to do something withhim.
I look up a lot, even if he's aperson I can learn a lot from.
(20:10):
And the other would be Jiggy.
Jiggy is still there.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I've got a new track back, so we could always do that
that was the one I wasreferring to.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
It won't work anymore .
We're now on a big label basis,but it's really.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
The chance is less.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I think it's even more difficult to check for an
album.
But I don't know why we're onthe same label for years.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Right, so win and Jiggy let's boy bro, yeah, right
.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Done.
I just want to rap, not thinkabout the things we put in,
after talking to my people foryears About things we'd like to
have later Only relaxing orsitting in the moon sweating to
stress.
I hear too much of the lifeunder pressure, but it's all
about learning.
Don't fall.
Keep on balancing.
A lot needs to be cleaned upfor the rain.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Your track Pioone is one of the more calm tracks on
your album.
That's why you say I'm a latebloomer, but I'm on Pioone.
What makes you?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
a late bloomer, probably the fact that I have
something that I've just changed, that my music is good enough,
or good enough to bring it out,because I'm 100% behind, while
I've tried a lot of thingsbefore and I've done things that
I've changed.
Maybe I should have donesomething else.
And I don't think.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I've done that.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think it was the whole process.
I was at Egemaker Leydan.
It went really well, I did ourthings and everything was great.
But then comes the moment ofthe dip.
I've done nothing for four orfive years.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Why did you spend so much time?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I used to be.
I went to school.
I never went to a good job, Ialways did interim jobs.
And then the moment started tocome closer.
My girlfriend in the meantimewent to study, started to come
to life, that we also had tothink about what we were going
(22:24):
to do.
I didn't have a decent job, Ididn't have an income from music
.
I had to make sure my life wason the rails and then I could go
on.
And then I did that.
I've done a good job.
I got two beautiful daughters,I bought a house.
(22:44):
So you had to make sure my lifewas on the right track and then
I could go on.
And I think that from thatmoment on I started with
Wunderslag Millionaire.
I was born with my firstdaughter, milly, so I was also a
millionaire.
I had something like that.
(23:05):
I have skills, I know what I'mdoing.
I put everything on music andthen it got all the time going
Well, it really was a experience, or even if it's not now or
later.
And I did make a little clickback then.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You just said that you have no time for school.
Did you have a spite?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
No, no.
Second.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
There is nothing I would do that I wouldn't do.
I might have my job outside,but I already started.
I will come out of the bush anddo something with music, but I
am very lucky, my life isbeautiful at this moment, so I
would eventually do nothing else.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And if I had a?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
school.
At that time I would never havebeen able to do everything with
EM.
I would never have been able towork with Topnotch, with Atche,
roscoe or Fizy.
So that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
How was your school period?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I was a very good student.
I always had A, and I don'tknow how to call it in Dutch.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I did.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Human sciences had no problems until I was in fourth
grade and then I thought, fuckit, I just throw everything at
music do my group work, don'thave to study.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What would you want if you didn't have any music, if
you had to focus on something?
I never thought about that.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Never, really no very strange.
It was just music and besides,I also came from a family that I
was very young.
I used to work for the club.
I was 15 years old.
I also worked at a bakery or Iwent to a restaurant.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
From your 15 years old.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yes, we had some extra sciences, so I never
really worked differently.
I had no problems with that, Ijust had no work and I had to do
music for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I started this album with the track Cantone.
And you ended it with Maradona.
Where did you get that footballreferences?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Sent to legends.
I'm a football lover myself.
I didn't watch Perseus at allbecause I had to play football.
It's a coincidence that it'slike that, but it's nice.
It's true, you look at it likethat.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Is it true that you see certain characteristics of
yourself in your own?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
way, I can't say it Not per se.
I think that arrogance ofKanto-na is wonderful, but I'm
not that arrogant.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
No, I wouldn't say that you're arrogant.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
No, not per se, but I just liked it.
I also have Peter van den Beemt, a football commentator.
He also did something for us onthe car of Kanto-na, so it's
just right.
Yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Something that was really popular was the interlude
.
You were mentioned by Rosa Anna.
Super cool and it fitsperfectly with the album.
She takes a kind of door onwhat you said in the tracks
before that she takes a kind ofdoor in her lyrics.
How did that come?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
about.
I got to know her a lot.
I got to know her with a kindof exchange program from the
Netherlands and Belgium MCs.
She was a member of that,together with Nonsauk.
Oh okay, and then they invitedme to give her a master class,
(27:25):
and that's how we got to knowher, because I don't think
that's how it was before.
No, that's right, because Isaid to her I'm done with the
album, but I really have that.
I understand, I hear you.
I hear your voice, your wife'svoice, your feel.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I need that extra sparkles.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
To get that.
And I also said to her here'sthe album, listen to it and
check which track you feel anddo your thing.
You don't feel bound.
And she killed it.
I'm really happy because Ireally have the album in my mind
.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So very nice.
You released an album everyyear in the past three years.
That's pretty productive.
What else can we expect fromyou?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I'm not really working on the next project at
the moment.
It's not concrete.
I'm already a tank or something, but I will try to.
I'm not saying within the yearI have two years to release a
new project but I'm stilllooking for something, something
(28:40):
special.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Something concept-wise.
I'm curious.
I think because of thisinterview, people will know you
better, but what would peoplereally know about you?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
One of my last tracks , because I already give a lot
of my blood, and two, I justdon't know what to say.
I have the feeling that theidea that I really have to take
now that I want to the drive isstill a bit big after 20 years.
(29:17):
So, yeah, hold your horses,because I'm coming, and how?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
do you keep that drive so strong after 20 years,
after 20 years?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, maybe just because I'm your dad and want to
leave something to my childrenA new motivation, yeah, a legacy
to leave to the city.
Like this, it can, and I'mgoing to do it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Nice, I think at the end.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I want to thank you for this interview.
The people at home Go check outStikies and Samples 2.
And enjoy.
complaining.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We are in Gink, Belgium today.
This is the second new Fibers,only that we shoot in Belgium.
We are here in George and theBear.
I think it's a vinyl recordstore.
Yes, vinyl coffee, yes, with noone else than TWI.
I was really welcome.
But I'm with you and indeed theSwiss is coming.
(00:43):
But, yes, yes, of course,before we talk about your music,
I'm very curious about who youare and where is your route.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh, who am I?
I'm Thierry Alderaan of Rans,34, bina.
I've been working for 20 years.
I was in my route in Gink.
I already said that there werea lot of mine workers coming in.
I have a father he iscompletely Belgian, and my
(01:14):
mother is half Italian, halfPolish, so it's a smelt cruise
from various countries.
But yes, my route is here inGink in the Diplom which I also
say.
So that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And when did you start making music?
How did that go?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
In 2002 we started.
I say we because I started witha group of friends.
We started with players.
How did that start, while herelocal and a number of rappers
Odyssey, I don't know thatalready it was with Don.
(01:57):
Luca Gio Iho from our business,also with Cannabio, also with
Black, and then we had Nubser,who also rap here, and his
brother.
So mainly because of the guysyou know, we checked a lot in
the week and all the shit thatcame.
But when they came it was likewow, I can also in Dutch and
(02:23):
also in our city language.
I would say, and that was anopening of OK, I want that too.
And then we started with usfour.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Great, and where did you come from?
It's a pretty strange name.
I've never heard of it before.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, that was also Death State.
A friend of mine, livi, he wasalso a player.
He said, yeah, terry.
So my name the T and the Igrac,this is TY Mouw wrote it just
for Nétis.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you have brought Sticky samples
(03:23):
.
1 in 2020?
Yeah, yeah, what was yourthought behind the concert?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I was actually mainly .
You know that was the firstalbum I made with the WETZ.
We started with that.
I knew WETZ for a very longtime.
We were on a trip togetherwithout any intention.
It never came to us to makemusic together, until then a
social friend, also a manager,he said boys, you know there's a
(03:54):
lot of people there.
We just came together, westarted looking for samples,
chopping.
There were some, and then therewas a nice little rock and then
you said and it was just thatvibe what we wanted to catch.
Just go to the studio together,don't think too much.
(04:15):
Rap and just vibe.
And then Sticky's came.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, exactly, and then you just go unnoticed.
How you sound, exactly, notreally over the top, just
momentum and that's how itsounds.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Then it's all over the place.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But what are the biggest differences between
Sticky's samples 1 and yournewer Sticky's samples 2?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
The biggest difference, in my opinion, is
that I think I know what I haveto do now.
Personally, the beats are alittle bit harder, a little bit
more raw.
It's more like a vibe with me,a vibe with him.
I think it's a bit more matureand there's an album.
(05:07):
You know what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I want to rap, rap and stuff like that.
Part 2 sounds darker, moreangry sometimes.
What do you think about lifenow?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, not exactly like a bad person or something
like that, but we've tapedeverything when it was winter it
was a bit darker.
So I think that that vibe hasmade me more lean In your track,
(06:10):
fort Fiesta.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You have a kind of a look back to 2006.
There you also have a trackwith Rika.
There you also have two guyswith big dreams the world on our
feet.
What were your dreams in thoseperiods?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think we weren't that long to hit that moment, so
we're already very hungry.
But we know that when you start, you want to make everyone
broke and show that you're thebest, and just blow up.
In what way?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
For everyone, it's different, but one wants to sell
out the other wants to be on TV.
What was it exactly?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
For me personally.
I was in that Zwollevaart.
I just wanted to come fasterthan them.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Actually, I came there more and more.
Do you feel that you are nowworth that dream, or are you now
included?
I am included.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
The dream I had back then, as I said, was not.
It's not that I'm living mylife with music.
Maybe in Belgium it's differenthere than in the Netherlands.
You can't really eat from here,except a few artists, but on
the other hand, I said that Iwas looking forward to
(07:48):
Zwollevaart.
I'm not blessed to be able towork with Timan, including James
.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Nosa.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Solushen, so I'm happy with that.
What are your dreams?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
now.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
My dream is to have a better family situation or to
create a family environment.
I can also make music with myjob.
I work 45 hours a day and Iwould rather do part-time music.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm just a little bit closer to my heart, I can do
something.
I like.
I also think it's great thatyou are honest in your music.
You have a full-time job.
Some rappers don't want to saythat, but you say that.
What's the reason you're soopen about that?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
I don't think it's a big deal to talk about who I am
or what I do.
I think it's a big deal to talkabout what people are saying.
I think why would I followsomeone?
I'm not how.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm not in there.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
In your track Pirouette, you're talking about
the Belgian rap game.
You're a bit critical about it.
One of the lines you have is Ican't act like boys anymore.
What's your era?
Oh, your era is about respect,right?
Yes, yes yes.
(09:53):
How do you look at the Belgianscene At this moment?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I think we've made a big improvement.
I can see that everything isstill in the children's shoes.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So you're talking about your era.
How did your era look like?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I was talking about castes.
We went to work together to buyan NPC and to be able to push
tapes.
We were there and now you cansee how everything has been
renovated.
It's very good for the wholeculture.
There are many differences.
We had to go to a mic sessionin the past.
(10:37):
We had to fight for a place tohave our mic.
Then we came from Eind enFergarde, which was fun.
People from Brussels, antwerp,everyone is at home now.
The Belgian scene is good, howwe've made a good progress.
(11:00):
The climate is changing.
There are many young MCs whocan do things.
It doesn't sound like it was inthe past, but it's not bad.
It's more commercial, but itopens doors for other people.
I'm very positive about that.
(11:21):
I personally find it less,because I notice that there are
many younger MCs, a newgeneration, who do their best to
get into the stage with theDutch accent.
I don't have a lot of problemswith that.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It's not necessary.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I think it's a part of losing identity.
I think that's a shame.
If you want to do that, fine.
I understand that the Dutch arealso a big offside, but we
speak the same language.
That's not really an issue.
I think we're doing very wellin Belgium.
(12:05):
We can still be back in theNetherlands for 10 years.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I do feel that it's really starting to come.
Exactly, what is your top 5Belgian rappers?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Swanger Ruggie standard, the best rapper.
I also won many rap, real rap,hard rap, Good tracks, honesty,
I would say Kloos, yes, I knowhim.
He's a bit smaller now, but Ithink he's one of the most
(12:46):
important MCs Top 5 for me also,Rika.
He has a unique sound, uniquevoice, something no one does,
and he has so much to tell.
And that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm a man.
You were all together for along time.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Thank you, I think you have three now.
I would say Yellow.
I know Yellow, but it's a goodreason to watch this video.
He also has the time I wasstill rapping at Eigenmakerlei,
but he hasn't done anything fora long time.
(13:29):
He just released a solo albumand he's a real bum.
It's not really hip-hop, it's abit wider, but it's super hard.
And then the last one.
I think that's what I'm talkingabout with Don.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Luca.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Also Ron Het Veet.
He's already 20, 25 years oldand his music is getting better.
The authenticity, the identity,is also super strong.
That's what I'm talking about.
That's what it is at the moment.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
It can always change.
You just mentionedEigenmakerlei.
I know that it was a label in.
Belgium.
I don't know much about it.
I know you were there, but Ithink it was a pretty big label.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I think at that time, when it was a Belgian, it was
almost ten years ago it wasactually a label.
At that time they had Safi etMechelen taken, sprayet Gent and
(14:49):
me from Limburg.
It was a good move for all theprovinces.
It was really hard to believeat that time we could do a lot
of things in the top match.
We also got food in theNetherlands.
I think we have reached thatpoint with EM.
That's a really good basis forthe scene.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It seems like an era that has been there when certain
MCs can be in the screen.
Do you know why it stopped?
For me, it was out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I wouldn't say anything.
It's a bit of a waste of time,but I think everyone.
I said we made nine compilationalbums.
It was a really good time.
We became older.
I focused more on my personallife on my family, I think
(15:55):
everyone had their own search,but we didn't leave because we
were always together.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
In your track live with Styx you say I'm not
looking for recognition anymore.
I'm making my own script andplanning If I'm right.
I'm not looking for recognitionanymore.
Exactly.
How did you find recognition?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I always say I'm always on the run.
I hear the best of them, I hearpeople shoot with me.
I was very busy with you.
I'm not a person.
Maybe they're not the kind ofpeople you're talking about,
like a mask or an image orsomething like that, but I've
(17:12):
just let them go.
Maybe it's because I've becomea father now and you know I'm 34
, everything's calm and I'm notworking on it anymore.
That's not a priority anymoreto be there.
I'm just happy when I can makemusic and become a person who
(17:33):
comes to me.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Exactly, as I just said, there are also sticks on
your track live.
I think we're about one age, sowe're all dressed up in that
dress.
In fact, with the two of them,we're all dressed up in a
turntable and everything.
Why did you choose to have themall on separate tracks?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
There was no choice.
That's just how it went.
In the first instance I hadcontacted them all not to make
music.
I had my samples out and I saidit was a record that I'm really
satisfied with.
I had to send it to boys, but Ihad to send it to a package
(18:20):
shop and we had to check thevinyl.
And then I got a message backand the guys were really
enthusiastic, so it was nice tohear them.
And then the cooperationcontinued, because it wasn't the
(18:41):
intention of me to make a trackwith them, but to make a record
together or separately.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
How did it go?
You guys are really on my norm.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yes, I think it's a shame that we can't dive into
the studio together because ofthe whole pandemic and
everything.
But it went really well Withthe Sticks.
I wrote my songs with him andit went really well With Rico.
It all went more organically.
I also wrote some beat-jocossent them, messaged them.
(19:18):
It was online.
It worked really well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes, it sounds really cool.
If you still hear the chemistrythat you guys have, especially
the track with your Sticks, youhear that you're really playing
together and the lyrics arereally cool.
Thank you, so Rico and Sticksare two legends.
I think it's always been adream collab for you.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yes, of course, if I can make a team with Timan, I
can go on Friday, but whichpeople do you have more on your
list?
There are two that I reallylike to do with him.
One that I don't think ispossible.
I'd like to do something withhim.
I look up a lot, even if he's aperson I can learn a lot from.
(20:10):
And the other would be Jiggy.
Jiggy is still there.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I've got a new track back, so we could always do that
that was the one I wasreferring to.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
It won't work anymore .
We're now on a big label basis,but it's really.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
The chance is less.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I think it's even more difficult to check for an
album.
But I don't know why we're onthe same label for years.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Right, so win and Jiggy let's boy bro, yeah, right
.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Done.
I just want to rap, not thinkabout the things we put in,
after talking to my people foryears About things we'd like to
have later Only relaxing orsitting in the moon sweating to
stress.
I hear too much of the lifeunder pressure, but it's all
about learning.
Don't fall.
Keep on balancing.
A lot needs to be cleaned upfor the rain.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Your track Pioone is one of the more calm tracks on
your album.
That's why you say I'm a latebloomer, but I'm on Pioone.
What makes you?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
a late bloomer, probably the fact that I have
something that I've just changed, that my music is good enough,
or good enough to bring it out,because I'm 100% behind, while
I've tried a lot of thingsbefore and I've done things that
I've changed.
Maybe I should have donesomething else.
And I don't think.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I've done that.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think it was the whole process.
I was at Egemaker Leydan.
It went really well, I did ourthings and everything was great.
But then comes the moment ofthe dip.
I've done nothing for four orfive years.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Why did you spend so much time?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I used to be.
I went to school.
I never went to a good job, Ialways did interim jobs.
And then the moment started tocome closer.
My girlfriend in the meantimewent to study, started to come
to life, that we also had tothink about what we were going
(22:24):
to do.
I didn't have a decent job, Ididn't have an income from music
.
I had to make sure my life wason the rails and then I could go
on.
And then I did that.
I've done a good job.
I got two beautiful daughters,I bought a house.
(22:44):
So you had to make sure my lifewas on the right track and then
I could go on.
And I think that from thatmoment on I started with
Wunderslag Millionaire.
I was born with my firstdaughter, milly, so I was also a
millionaire.
I had something like that.
(23:05):
I have skills, I know what I'mdoing.
I put everything on music andthen it got all the time going
Well, it really was a experience, or even if it's not now or
later.
And I did make a little clickback then.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You just said that you have no time for school.
Did you have a spite?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
No, no.
Second.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
There is nothing I would do that I wouldn't do.
I might have my job outside,but I already started.
I will come out of the bush anddo something with music, but I
am very lucky, my life isbeautiful at this moment, so I
would eventually do nothing else.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And if I had a?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
school.
At that time I would never havebeen able to do everything with
EM.
I would never have been able towork with Topnotch, with Atche,
roscoe or Fizy.
So that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
How was your school period?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I was a very good student.
I always had A, and I don'tknow how to call it in Dutch.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I did.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Human sciences had no problems until I was in fourth
grade and then I thought, fuckit, I just throw everything at
music do my group work, don'thave to study.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What would you want if you didn't have any music, if
you had to focus on something?
I never thought about that.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Never, really no very strange.
It was just music and besides,I also came from a family that I
was very young.
I used to work for the club.
I was 15 years old.
I also worked at a bakery or Iwent to a restaurant.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
From your 15 years old.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yes, we had some extra sciences, so I never
really worked differently.
I had no problems with that, Ijust had no work and I had to do
music for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I started this album with the track Cantone.
And you ended it with Maradona.
Where did you get that footballreferences?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Sent to legends.
I'm a football lover myself.
I didn't watch Perseus at allbecause I had to play football.
It's a coincidence that it'slike that, but it's nice.
It's true, you look at it likethat.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Is it true that you see certain characteristics of
yourself in your own?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
way, I can't say it Not per se.
I think that arrogance ofKanto-na is wonderful, but I'm
not that arrogant.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
No, I wouldn't say that you're arrogant.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
No, not per se, but I just liked it.
I also have Peter van den Beemt, a football commentator.
He also did something for us onthe car of Kanto-na, so it's
just right.
Yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Something that was really popular was the interlude
.
You were mentioned by Rosa Anna.
Super cool and it fitsperfectly with the album.
She takes a kind of door onwhat you said in the tracks
before that she takes a kind ofdoor in her lyrics.
How did that come?
Speaker 3 (27:04):
about.
I got to know her a lot.
I got to know her with a kindof exchange program from the
Netherlands and Belgium MCs.
She was a member of that,together with Nonsauk.
Oh okay, and then they invitedme to give her a master class,
(27:25):
and that's how we got to knowher, because I don't think
that's how it was before.
No, that's right, because Isaid to her I'm done with the
album, but I really have that.
I understand, I hear you.
I hear your voice, your wife'svoice, your feel.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I need that extra sparkles.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
To get that.
And I also said to her here'sthe album, listen to it and
check which track you feel anddo your thing.
You don't feel bound.
And she killed it.
I'm really happy because Ireally have the album in my mind
.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So very nice.
You released an album everyyear in the past three years.
That's pretty productive.
What else can we expect fromyou?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I'm not really working on the next project at
the moment.
It's not concrete.
I'm already a tank or something, but I will try to.
I'm not saying within the yearI have two years to release a
new project but I'm stilllooking for something, something
(28:40):
special.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Something concept-wise.
I'm curious.
I think because of thisinterview, people will know you
better, but what would peoplereally know about you?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
One of my last tracks , because I already give a lot
of my blood, and two, I justdon't know what to say.
I have the feeling that theidea that I really have to take
now that I want to the drive isstill a bit big after 20 years.
(29:17):
So, yeah, hold your horses,because I'm coming, and how?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
do you keep that drive so strong after 20 years,
after 20 years?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, maybe just because I'm your dad and want to
leave something to my childrenA new motivation, yeah, a legacy
to leave to the city.
Like this, it can, and I'mgoing to do it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Nice, I think at the end.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I want to thank you for this interview.
The people at home Go check outStikies and Samples 2.
And enjoy.
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