February 1, 2024 • 15 mins
In the first episode of 2024 we talk with Jeff Williams, New York Farm Bureau's Director of Public Policy. Jeff outlines the key issues facing NY agriculture this year and how the Farm Bureau is working to support farmers statewide.
Through lobbying efforts, community outreach across NY, and engagement initiatives, the Farm Bureau gives farmers a voice in policymaking. Jeff provides insider expertise on the most pressing policy challenges and how all of us can get involved to drive progress.
This is a must-listen episode for anyone who cares about the future of New York agriculture!
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(00:00):
Hello and welcome to News Bites, New York Farm Bureau's podcast.
(00:03):
I'm Steve Ammerman, Director of Communications for New York Farm Bureau.
As we kick off a new season of News Bites, also kicking off a new legislative session
in Albany.
And every year at this time, New York Farm Bureau's state board sets their priority
issues.
These are the big issues of the day that really spans across all farms and all farmers here
in New York.
So today, we're talking with Jeff Williams, the Director of Public Policy here at New
(00:25):
York Farm Bureau, about the priority issues and why they matter to farmers.
Jeff, thanks for joining us today.
As always, my pleasure.
We're here to talk about our state legislative priorities for New York Farm Bureau for this
year and a long list that covers the true breadth of agriculture.
But before we do a deep dive, let's talk about how we come up with these priority issues.
(00:49):
These are member-driven, correct?
100% always have been, always will be, in New York Farm Bureau.
Our policies developed by and approved by our members.
So when myself or the public policy team goes to Albany or Washington, D.C., we only talk
about what's in the policy book.
It's our marching orders for the year.
(01:09):
And I guess what we're regarding is with priority issues.
Those are the issues that our board sets as being the most important of all the things
in the policy book that year.
They look at what's coming down the pike legislatively.
In the budget regulations, they hear what our members are talking about out in the field.
(01:31):
And they look to see what's achievable, what's doable.
And then they distill that down into a list of five to 10 priorities that really are the
backbone of our public policy work for the year.
And they have to be broad in nature as well.
We're a diverse industry, so they have to be, absolutely.
But so many things that happens on farms or what farmers want to change cut across all
(01:54):
industries, transportation, labor, environment.
They're all speaking the same language, if you will.
And again, before we get into those priority issues, there was a new poll that New York
Farm Bureau commissioned with Marist Poll to ask people how they feel about the importance
of New York agriculture and the value that it provides to their local economies.
(02:16):
And the numbers were pretty great.
Across the entire state.
I think when we go into this, we knew that rural New York would say, hey, 83%, 80% of
people in rural New York support agriculture, understands the importance of the state's
economy.
Same amount of people basically said that in suburbs of Long Island and in New York
(02:37):
City as well.
So it shows us that agriculture really is a statewide industry and that people appreciate
it statewide.
And we're going to use those numbers to try to go back to the legislators and the governor
and regulators and say, look, this isn't just a corny New York issue or a St. Lawrence County
issue.
(02:57):
80% of the people in New York City think these are agriculture important and we need to protect
it.
And that leads us into talking about those priority issues.
And the number one priority, and it typically is every year, is the state budget.
The governor released her budget a couple of weeks ago.
We're still waiting to see what the state senate and assembly have in their projected
(03:18):
budgets.
But right now, we're at a pretty good place just by looking at the governor's numbers.
Can you do a deep dive?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yes.
The governor sets the table for the rest of how the budget negotiations go.
And she pretty much put in more money for the ag budget than any other governor has
since I've been working in New York Farm Bureau.
(03:38):
And that's really important because that budget money goes for promotion of our agricultural
products.
It goes for really critical research for animal health and for vegetable research and maple
research across the whole board to help our industry stay at the forefront of what's scientifically
doable and possible.
(04:00):
And it also supports economic development in agriculture.
In the scheme of the entire budget, which is $220 billion, it's not that much, but
we really make the most of what we get.
Environmental Protection Fund is a serious portion of the budget, and we're a big advocate
(04:21):
of a lot of that funding.
How does some of that help our farms as well?
Absolutely.
We work with environmental organizations on this, which is great.
It gives us a bridge to those groups that we may not agree with in other things, but
they understand the importance of water quality on farms.
Environmental Protection and helping farmers deal with climate change.
Those are all those programs in the EPF that we all can agree on, and they are boots on
(04:46):
the ground to help farmers on a day-in, day-out basis.
A couple other big budget items, Nourish New York and Healthy School Meals for All.
Can you talk about both of those?
Yeah, I think probably everyone knows about Nourish New York because it was the savior
of agriculture during the pandemic when the governor put forward money so food banks could
buy New York state products because we weren't selling much during the pandemic.
(05:10):
That has continued because people who are food insecure still need food, and farmers
still need an outlet.
It's really a perfect match for local food going to people who are food insecure and
helping farmers as well.
Healthy School Meals for All, it's a way of getting New York products into schools even
more so than they do, where kids who can't afford meals get healthy meals in their schools
(05:34):
and a lot of that can be New York state sourced.
So again, it's really making that match between people who are food insecure and may not have
enough food and our farmers stepping into the void and supplying that food.
There really are great market opportunities for our farmers.
And speaking of markets, we're trying to expand markets for craft beverage makers in the state,
(05:57):
our farm breweries, cideries, spirit makers, to be able to ship directly to their customers,
which is something that they can do, but other makers and processors can.
How are we approaching that issue?
To us, it's a parity issue because for 20 years, wineries, our farm wineries have been
(06:18):
able to ship out of state to customers.
So people come to Finger Lakes or Long Island on vacation and they taste wine and they love
it and as they typically do, they fall in love with the wine and they go home and they
want to drink it and their liquor stores probably don't have it.
You know, in Oklahoma, for example.
So they can call up and get a case of wine shipped to them.
(06:41):
But unfortunately, our farm breweries, farm distilleries, and farm cideries don't have
that ability and the law needs to be changed to do so.
And you would think once we got wine, which is pretty much the biggest one of all of our
farm beverages, the biggest part of the industry, the others would just automatically fall in
line, but there's still a substantial pushback on that from liquor stores and wholesalers
(07:03):
and distributors.
You would think they could focus on marketing.
It's competition for them.
Tank array.
Right.
Rather than it is competition.
And they have the ability to do home delivery now.
So you would think it's another small business and that's what we're looking to support
(07:23):
here is our small business farms.
I know our assembly chair of agriculture is Donna Lopardo.
This is really big for her.
We're trying to get it through the assembly and the Senate.
A couple of other issues that we're looking for to talk about that could rear up this
year.
(07:43):
One is the Extended Producer Responsibility Act, which would totally upend our recycling
system in this state.
It's something that's been churning for a few years.
It's still out there.
I know our president, David Fisher, spoke about it in a hearing late last year here
in Albany.
So you expect that to come back again?
(08:04):
Yes.
I'm really happy that the governor didn't put that in her budget this year, in her proposed
budget this year.
It was in there last year.
So I think she's getting tired of this issue because it seems to be intractable, a really
unsolvable issue to all of a sudden say, upend our state recycling system and say, okay,
now we're going to change it.
Now people who produce packaging now have to be in charge of recycling the end use of
(08:27):
that product.
I get what they're trying to do because Amazon sends out a lot of packaging out there.
Especially, I just got a box last week.
It was a very small thing I was getting, but it came in a huge box and three boxes inside.
So it doesn't have to be like that.
So I get that.
But if you want to go after Amazon, go after Amazon.
(08:49):
This bill, the way they're talking about it, pulls in farmers wineries at a very low
level and they're not the problem.
It also pulls in dairy processors and there's FDA regulations that are much, much bigger
than this bill that needs to be considered and they're not at this point.
But this is not supposed to be about us, but they're making it about us.
(09:12):
Definitely something we'll be talking about, as well as there's a big push right now for
electrification across the state to meet a lot of major climate action goals.
And there is some concern in the farming community that those goals can't be met because it's
just not possible, at least right now on farms, to do a lot of what some of the regulations
(09:33):
are looking to do.
How big of a concern is that?
It's a huge concern.
I hear about it all the time from farmers all across the state who look at the transmission
grid, who look at the needs of their farms and think, how can I possibly electrify any
of this stuff, whether it's my tractors, whether it's my dairy farm, my milking parlor?
(09:55):
We don't have the ability to transport enough renewable energy right now over the transmission
lines to all these places.
And New York State's going way too far.
I get what they're trying to do, but it's way too far, way too fast.
And it's not just farms.
It's rural New York.
It's school districts who can't afford bus chargers.
(10:15):
And even if they could, buses can't make the whole loop of a bus route in the wintertime
because the battery runs out in cold weather.
So there's a lot of logistics have gone in that need to go into this that haven't been
really presented yet.
And right now, New York State is basically governing on press releases about deadlines
for these things.
And they're not realistic deadlines.
(10:36):
I mean, if a farmer, A, they don't have a battery powered tractor that can, you know,
a huge piece of equipment that would take a huge amount of power.
And then it's also about how do you charge it up in the middle of harvest, you know,
in the middle of a field?
Where do you charge it?
Where do you charge it?
I mean, these are serious logistics issues.
How many, I mean, think about how many acres are, you know, are worked on during a harvest.
(11:03):
How many pieces of machinery you use and how many charging stations you would need all
around these multiple fields.
And it's not practical.
And I think people are waking up at that fact.
They don't want to quite give up on these deadlines, but they're going to have to punt
these things out.
It's just impossible to me.
(11:24):
So where do you go from here with the public policy team, your staff, the members to advocate
on these priority issues?
Yeah, we, where don't we go?
I guess is the answer.
You have been busy.
We've been as staff, we've been in the Capitol, you know, every session day, if not more since
the session began.
(11:44):
We have a bunch of ag groups that come in who are our Alliance members like Maple Association,
Apple Association, those kind of groups that are coming into lobby for lobby days.
We're helping them with that.
We have a trip to New York City for our members to go meet urban legislators where they are
in their districts and talk about our issues, but also hear from them about their needs
(12:05):
for food security in their districts and how we can get more local food into their districts.
We then we're doing our lobby day, which is in Albany, which is our preeminent legislative
reception.
We get hundreds of legislators and staff and agency heads there to meet our members who
present who provide local food from their, from their regions.
(12:28):
And it's really a great way to start conversations between our members and decision makers in
Albany and we have a lobby day the next day after.
So and then we're going down to DC for Senator Gillibrand's DC event.
So we're sponsoring a legislative reception for her to highlight New York food in Washington,
(12:48):
DC too.
So it's, there's really no shortcuts when it comes to getting our policy in our policy
book into law or in the budget, it's, it's, you gotta be in Albany.
It can't be a one day thing.
You gotta be there all the time building relationships, not just with your friends, but with people
who may not have agriculture in their districts.
And you have to find some way to make that connection with that person and talk about
(13:10):
the importance of agriculture so they understand the needs of our industry, but also their
constituents.
Yeah, relationship building is key and our lobby day and reception in Albany at least
is March 4th and 5th.
So certainly if people are interested, they can go to our website at nyfb.org under the
events and find out more on how they can register and take part or speak to their county farm
bureaus or county managers to get more information as well.
(13:34):
But hearing from our members though is incredibly important, not only from the members own lawmakers,
but you know, we will have some calls to action through this session as well for them to call
Speaker Hasty, the Senate Majority Leader and others to really talk about some of these
issues and relay their importance to farmers.
(13:54):
Yeah, the importance of our members' voice can't be underestimated.
You know, our job in public policy is to carry our members' voice, but it's a pale comparison
to how our members can talk in real time and real life about the real things happening
on their farms and things that need to be changed.
Legislators perk up so much when an actual farmer is in the room talking about what matters
(14:19):
the most to them and this organization has been built on that kind of idea and so the
more people who show up, the better we're going to be every single year.
Alright, Jeff, thanks so much.
I appreciate you sharing this today.
Jeff has been the Public Policy Director here at New York Farm Bureau for more than a decade
(14:41):
and we appreciate his time during this busy legislative session as things are really ramping
up in Albany.
Now, next month, the State Board will set the federal priority issues, so stay tuned
to that for a future episode of News Bites and until then, make sure to reach out to
your lawmakers.
You can go to our website at nyfb.org and click on the eLobby link.
(15:02):
There you can send a message to the governor as well as your state senators and assembly
members.
We can also pick up the phone and call them as well and let them know your opinions about
legislative bills and issues that matter to you.
As Jeff said, outreach is very important and it does make a difference.
That will do it for this edition of New York Farm Bureau's News Bites podcast.
(15:23):
We want to thank Seth Moser Katz for putting this all together and until next time, make
sure to thank a farmer for all that they do.
Hello and welcome to News Bites, New York Farm Bureau's podcast.
(00:03):
I'm Steve Ammerman, Director of Communications for New York Farm Bureau.
As we kick off a new season of News Bites, also kicking off a new legislative session
in Albany.
And every year at this time, New York Farm Bureau's state board sets their priority
issues.
These are the big issues of the day that really spans across all farms and all farmers here
in New York.
So today, we're talking with Jeff Williams, the Director of Public Policy here at New
(00:25):
York Farm Bureau, about the priority issues and why they matter to farmers.
Jeff, thanks for joining us today.
As always, my pleasure.
We're here to talk about our state legislative priorities for New York Farm Bureau for this
year and a long list that covers the true breadth of agriculture.
But before we do a deep dive, let's talk about how we come up with these priority issues.
(00:49):
These are member-driven, correct?
100% always have been, always will be, in New York Farm Bureau.
Our policies developed by and approved by our members.
So when myself or the public policy team goes to Albany or Washington, D.C., we only talk
about what's in the policy book.
It's our marching orders for the year.
(01:09):
And I guess what we're regarding is with priority issues.
Those are the issues that our board sets as being the most important of all the things
in the policy book that year.
They look at what's coming down the pike legislatively.
In the budget regulations, they hear what our members are talking about out in the field.
(01:31):
And they look to see what's achievable, what's doable.
And then they distill that down into a list of five to 10 priorities that really are the
backbone of our public policy work for the year.
And they have to be broad in nature as well.
We're a diverse industry, so they have to be, absolutely.
But so many things that happens on farms or what farmers want to change cut across all
(01:54):
industries, transportation, labor, environment.
They're all speaking the same language, if you will.
And again, before we get into those priority issues, there was a new poll that New York
Farm Bureau commissioned with Marist Poll to ask people how they feel about the importance
of New York agriculture and the value that it provides to their local economies.
(02:16):
And the numbers were pretty great.
Across the entire state.
I think when we go into this, we knew that rural New York would say, hey, 83%, 80% of
people in rural New York support agriculture, understands the importance of the state's
economy.
Same amount of people basically said that in suburbs of Long Island and in New York
(02:37):
City as well.
So it shows us that agriculture really is a statewide industry and that people appreciate
it statewide.
And we're going to use those numbers to try to go back to the legislators and the governor
and regulators and say, look, this isn't just a corny New York issue or a St. Lawrence County
issue.
(02:57):
80% of the people in New York City think these are agriculture important and we need to protect
it.
And that leads us into talking about those priority issues.
And the number one priority, and it typically is every year, is the state budget.
The governor released her budget a couple of weeks ago.
We're still waiting to see what the state senate and assembly have in their projected
(03:18):
budgets.
But right now, we're at a pretty good place just by looking at the governor's numbers.
Can you do a deep dive?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yes.
The governor sets the table for the rest of how the budget negotiations go.
And she pretty much put in more money for the ag budget than any other governor has
since I've been working in New York Farm Bureau.
(03:38):
And that's really important because that budget money goes for promotion of our agricultural
products.
It goes for really critical research for animal health and for vegetable research and maple
research across the whole board to help our industry stay at the forefront of what's scientifically
doable and possible.
(04:00):
And it also supports economic development in agriculture.
In the scheme of the entire budget, which is $220 billion, it's not that much, but
we really make the most of what we get.
Environmental Protection Fund is a serious portion of the budget, and we're a big advocate
(04:21):
of a lot of that funding.
How does some of that help our farms as well?
Absolutely.
We work with environmental organizations on this, which is great.
It gives us a bridge to those groups that we may not agree with in other things, but
they understand the importance of water quality on farms.
Environmental Protection and helping farmers deal with climate change.
Those are all those programs in the EPF that we all can agree on, and they are boots on
(04:46):
the ground to help farmers on a day-in, day-out basis.
A couple other big budget items, Nourish New York and Healthy School Meals for All.
Can you talk about both of those?
Yeah, I think probably everyone knows about Nourish New York because it was the savior
of agriculture during the pandemic when the governor put forward money so food banks could
buy New York state products because we weren't selling much during the pandemic.
(05:10):
That has continued because people who are food insecure still need food, and farmers
still need an outlet.
It's really a perfect match for local food going to people who are food insecure and
helping farmers as well.
Healthy School Meals for All, it's a way of getting New York products into schools even
more so than they do, where kids who can't afford meals get healthy meals in their schools
(05:34):
and a lot of that can be New York state sourced.
So again, it's really making that match between people who are food insecure and may not have
enough food and our farmers stepping into the void and supplying that food.
There really are great market opportunities for our farmers.
And speaking of markets, we're trying to expand markets for craft beverage makers in the state,
(05:57):
our farm breweries, cideries, spirit makers, to be able to ship directly to their customers,
which is something that they can do, but other makers and processors can.
How are we approaching that issue?
To us, it's a parity issue because for 20 years, wineries, our farm wineries have been
(06:18):
able to ship out of state to customers.
So people come to Finger Lakes or Long Island on vacation and they taste wine and they love
it and as they typically do, they fall in love with the wine and they go home and they
want to drink it and their liquor stores probably don't have it.
You know, in Oklahoma, for example.
So they can call up and get a case of wine shipped to them.
(06:41):
But unfortunately, our farm breweries, farm distilleries, and farm cideries don't have
that ability and the law needs to be changed to do so.
And you would think once we got wine, which is pretty much the biggest one of all of our
farm beverages, the biggest part of the industry, the others would just automatically fall in
line, but there's still a substantial pushback on that from liquor stores and wholesalers
(07:03):
and distributors.
You would think they could focus on marketing.
It's competition for them.
Tank array.
Right.
Rather than it is competition.
And they have the ability to do home delivery now.
So you would think it's another small business and that's what we're looking to support
(07:23):
here is our small business farms.
I know our assembly chair of agriculture is Donna Lopardo.
This is really big for her.
We're trying to get it through the assembly and the Senate.
A couple of other issues that we're looking for to talk about that could rear up this
year.
(07:43):
One is the Extended Producer Responsibility Act, which would totally upend our recycling
system in this state.
It's something that's been churning for a few years.
It's still out there.
I know our president, David Fisher, spoke about it in a hearing late last year here
in Albany.
So you expect that to come back again?
(08:04):
Yes.
I'm really happy that the governor didn't put that in her budget this year, in her proposed
budget this year.
It was in there last year.
So I think she's getting tired of this issue because it seems to be intractable, a really
unsolvable issue to all of a sudden say, upend our state recycling system and say, okay,
now we're going to change it.
Now people who produce packaging now have to be in charge of recycling the end use of
(08:27):
that product.
I get what they're trying to do because Amazon sends out a lot of packaging out there.
Especially, I just got a box last week.
It was a very small thing I was getting, but it came in a huge box and three boxes inside.
So it doesn't have to be like that.
So I get that.
But if you want to go after Amazon, go after Amazon.
(08:49):
This bill, the way they're talking about it, pulls in farmers wineries at a very low
level and they're not the problem.
It also pulls in dairy processors and there's FDA regulations that are much, much bigger
than this bill that needs to be considered and they're not at this point.
But this is not supposed to be about us, but they're making it about us.
(09:12):
Definitely something we'll be talking about, as well as there's a big push right now for
electrification across the state to meet a lot of major climate action goals.
And there is some concern in the farming community that those goals can't be met because it's
just not possible, at least right now on farms, to do a lot of what some of the regulations
(09:33):
are looking to do.
How big of a concern is that?
It's a huge concern.
I hear about it all the time from farmers all across the state who look at the transmission
grid, who look at the needs of their farms and think, how can I possibly electrify any
of this stuff, whether it's my tractors, whether it's my dairy farm, my milking parlor?
(09:55):
We don't have the ability to transport enough renewable energy right now over the transmission
lines to all these places.
And New York State's going way too far.
I get what they're trying to do, but it's way too far, way too fast.
And it's not just farms.
It's rural New York.
It's school districts who can't afford bus chargers.
(10:15):
And even if they could, buses can't make the whole loop of a bus route in the wintertime
because the battery runs out in cold weather.
So there's a lot of logistics have gone in that need to go into this that haven't been
really presented yet.
And right now, New York State is basically governing on press releases about deadlines
for these things.
And they're not realistic deadlines.
(10:36):
I mean, if a farmer, A, they don't have a battery powered tractor that can, you know,
a huge piece of equipment that would take a huge amount of power.
And then it's also about how do you charge it up in the middle of harvest, you know,
in the middle of a field?
Where do you charge it?
Where do you charge it?
I mean, these are serious logistics issues.
How many, I mean, think about how many acres are, you know, are worked on during a harvest.
(11:03):
How many pieces of machinery you use and how many charging stations you would need all
around these multiple fields.
And it's not practical.
And I think people are waking up at that fact.
They don't want to quite give up on these deadlines, but they're going to have to punt
these things out.
It's just impossible to me.
(11:24):
So where do you go from here with the public policy team, your staff, the members to advocate
on these priority issues?
Yeah, we, where don't we go?
I guess is the answer.
You have been busy.
We've been as staff, we've been in the Capitol, you know, every session day, if not more since
the session began.
(11:44):
We have a bunch of ag groups that come in who are our Alliance members like Maple Association,
Apple Association, those kind of groups that are coming into lobby for lobby days.
We're helping them with that.
We have a trip to New York City for our members to go meet urban legislators where they are
in their districts and talk about our issues, but also hear from them about their needs
(12:05):
for food security in their districts and how we can get more local food into their districts.
We then we're doing our lobby day, which is in Albany, which is our preeminent legislative
reception.
We get hundreds of legislators and staff and agency heads there to meet our members who
present who provide local food from their, from their regions.
(12:28):
And it's really a great way to start conversations between our members and decision makers in
Albany and we have a lobby day the next day after.
So and then we're going down to DC for Senator Gillibrand's DC event.
So we're sponsoring a legislative reception for her to highlight New York food in Washington,
(12:48):
DC too.
So it's, there's really no shortcuts when it comes to getting our policy in our policy
book into law or in the budget, it's, it's, you gotta be in Albany.
It can't be a one day thing.
You gotta be there all the time building relationships, not just with your friends, but with people
who may not have agriculture in their districts.
And you have to find some way to make that connection with that person and talk about
(13:10):
the importance of agriculture so they understand the needs of our industry, but also their
constituents.
Yeah, relationship building is key and our lobby day and reception in Albany at least
is March 4th and 5th.
So certainly if people are interested, they can go to our website at nyfb.org under the
events and find out more on how they can register and take part or speak to their county farm
bureaus or county managers to get more information as well.
(13:34):
But hearing from our members though is incredibly important, not only from the members own lawmakers,
but you know, we will have some calls to action through this session as well for them to call
Speaker Hasty, the Senate Majority Leader and others to really talk about some of these
issues and relay their importance to farmers.
(13:54):
Yeah, the importance of our members' voice can't be underestimated.
You know, our job in public policy is to carry our members' voice, but it's a pale comparison
to how our members can talk in real time and real life about the real things happening
on their farms and things that need to be changed.
Legislators perk up so much when an actual farmer is in the room talking about what matters
(14:19):
the most to them and this organization has been built on that kind of idea and so the
more people who show up, the better we're going to be every single year.
Alright, Jeff, thanks so much.
I appreciate you sharing this today.
Jeff has been the Public Policy Director here at New York Farm Bureau for more than a decade
(14:41):
and we appreciate his time during this busy legislative session as things are really ramping
up in Albany.
Now, next month, the State Board will set the federal priority issues, so stay tuned
to that for a future episode of News Bites and until then, make sure to reach out to
your lawmakers.
You can go to our website at nyfb.org and click on the eLobby link.
(15:02):
There you can send a message to the governor as well as your state senators and assembly
members.
We can also pick up the phone and call them as well and let them know your opinions about
legislative bills and issues that matter to you.
As Jeff said, outreach is very important and it does make a difference.
That will do it for this edition of New York Farm Bureau's News Bites podcast.
(15:23):
We want to thank Seth Moser Katz for putting this all together and until next time, make
sure to thank a farmer for all that they do.
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