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June 28, 2023 16 mins
In this week's episode we chat about the end of the legislative session in the state of New York, specifically the bills that impact farmers across the state. Our repeat guest, Jeff Williams, the Director of Public Policy at the New York Farm Bureau, provides valuable insights into the implications of these bills and the dynamic legislative process. This episode breaks down the essential details that will shape the agricultural landscape in New York and offers perspective on the implications for the future of agriculture in the state.
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The legislative session is wrapped up in Albany with a flurry of final bills passing.

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So what does it all mean for New York farmers?
We'll talk about that today on News Bites.
Hi, thanks for joining us.
I'm Steve Ammerman, New York Farm Bureau's Director of Communications.
New York legislature wrapped up its business and went home last week after nearly six months
of work at the Capitol.
As always, a lot of bills wait till the final days to be debated and voted on.
And that included several that will have a direct impact on farmers if the governor should

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sign them.
To break it all down, we're joined today by New York Farm Bureau's Director of Public
Policy, Jeff Williams.
So Jeff, session has wrapped up.
Lawmakers have gone home for a year.
Thankfully.
Thankfully.
No more work to be done there.
At least as we know right now.

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School just wrapped up as well.
So I thought, let's start off, if you had to give this legislative session a grade,
what grade would you give it?
I don't think you can sum it up into one grade because there's really two seasons of legislative
session.
The first couple of months are all about the state budget.
And we are talking about a $200 billion state budget.

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And then that was done late this year.
So then we had six, seven weeks at the most to try to create hundreds of 869 bills past
both houses this session.
So we were taking a few bills.
And so they had to cram a lot of legislation in at the end.

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And that's why the assembly had to come back.
They went late and then had to come back for a couple days afterwards as well.
So long story short, I'm going to give them two grades.
I would say budget wise, B plus, A minus.
I mean, we did see a minimum wage increase enacted in the budget, but it's relatively

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minor.
I said the guy who doesn't pay people, but still relatively minor, going up to $16 or
so over three years.
We were originally looking at 21.50 an hour.
So that add on overtime on farms.
And then you think about what that would do to the A-Ware rate for H2A workers.

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That would be really catastrophic.
And I think upstate members of both the Senate and the assembly really weighed in with that.
I think the governor played a large part.
I know the governor played a large part in moderating that increase because she was concerned
about small businesses like farms.
So that was good, but still it increased.
But that's certainly offset by a landmark agricultural tax program that wasn't active

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a refundable investment tax credit.
We haven't lobbied enough for that tax credit for decades.
In making the case that farms, this will spur farm investment because 20% of anything you
put into your infrastructure and your farm are going to get back in your taxes.

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If you don't have a taxable liability, you're going to get that money back in a check.
So it's really designed to prime the pump for farm investment.
And everything else, minimum wage, farm overtime, things like that.
Some will argue it's a little bit too little too late, but it's really designed to help
farmers better compete here in New York and modernize their infrastructure.

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And overall the budget, most of the programs that go to support our farms, whether it's
in the marketing side, research for cows at Cornell, other programs was pretty much on
target with what it's been as well, which was good.
Yeah, the only real change is that we've seen a trend over the past couple of years where
the governor puts in a lot more money in their, or his, and executive budget proposal for

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agriculture, for those programs that you mentioned before.
We had to scrape by trying to raise all the money through the legislature, through the
Senate and the assembly adding money in.
We didn't have to do this here.
It was almost like it was on autopilot.
We had some other concerns we needed to make sure we're funded, like extra money for NITAM.
For example, and some extra staff at Cornell and the labor and workforce development section.

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But by and large it was, no, it was not on autopilot because I know the Senate and assembly
chairs work really hard on it.
But it was easier this year than many years before.
And certainly going forward, no doubt our farms and Farm Bureau will continue to make
the case on the minimum wage, especially as it's tied to inflation and the impacts that

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that could have further down the road, other ways that state potentially could mitigate
those impacts.
Agreed.
I mean, we already have a tax credit just for farms again, that helps pay for increases
in minimum wage that happened in the past.
I'm sure that'll be on the radar for future years.
So you gave the budget A minus, B plus, looking at the end of session, what kind of grade

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would you give it?
Blah?
Is that incorrect?
C plus maybe C?
There were some bills that they passed that we worked really hard to oppose.
For example, the ban on neonicotinoid seed treatments, that bill has been around forever,

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at least three or four years, but it really came to a head this year.
And despite really strong lobbying by not only Farm Bureau's public policy staff, but
all of our members, you showed up at our lobby day in virtual meetings.
We even went to New York City to talk about that issue with legislators.
And we have a big coalition with other farm partners, and you made a very strong case.

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I feel that if you get rid of seed treatments, then farmers are going to be forced to go
back to using what they used 25 years ago, and that's not good for the environment.
So getting rid of seed treatments to help the environment isn't a particularly good
argument.
But that was a big hit, because DEC is the one who should be regulating those products,
you know, like any other pesticide.

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EPA does the same thing, to have two sponsors, the bill, both from Manhattan, pushing that
bill and passing it is sort of a slap in the face, the ad hoc, and certainly to DEC and
their regulatory authorities.
So that one stings a bit.
We're working really closely with the governor's office to get them all the information they

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need to make an eligible decision when it comes to vetoing or signing the bill.
So we're making a full court press on that.
So that was the big one.
I mean, there were some other bills that we support that passed, and both of them dealt
with solar.
One is studying agrivoltaics, which is basically dual siting of agriculture in solar, large

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scale solar panels, because if we can do both at the same time, and keep the farmland in
production, that's best case scenario, especially for a farmer.
The other bill that passed would give, you know, local governments, local communities,
including farmers, the ability to better assess solar siting in their towns, their communities

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with an eye towards, in some cases, toward agriculture.
So I mean, everyone is so concerned about loss of farmland to large scale solar, because
it's not turning back for at least 30 years, if ever.
So we want to make sure we continue to protect our food supply and our farmers ability to
grow the products that they grow.

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Yeah.
I mean, some farmers have even leased land that they're losing out to solar development.
So taking a look at that is definitely going to be very helpful for a farmer.
Yeah, you said it absolutely correctly.
Definitely.
A couple other bills that may not have received as much attention, but still will have impacts
for farms.

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One is a pesticide ban on wetlands.
Another is regulating what are called sea streams, almost like a state version of what
we went through with the EPA and the Clean Water Act and regulating additional waterways
beyond the more traditional ones.
And these have been vetoed in the past and I'm sure will be continuing to advocate for

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a veto again this year on these bills.
Absolutely.
I mean, it's just sort of banging your head against the wall on a annual basis.
Now, the sea stream bill has been vetoed at least twice.
Basically it would have no mandate DEC have to permit a whole lot more drainage work and
ditch work.
That's just for farms, but for towns and municipalities, these when you clear their ditches, it would

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increase permit time by six months, six to nine months just to get the permits.
And these are streams that are particularly beneficial to the state of New York.
And so this would be the third veto and we certainly hope and pretty much expect veto
because all the same reasons it was vetoed for two years should still hold account today.

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And the same with applications of pesticides in wetlands.
And that goes back to what we talked about with the neo-nicotinoid bill.
That's a DEC issue.
It's not a town issue to decide who or where people can spray pesticides, especially in
critical areas.
And so we're hoping again for a veto.

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It's just so silly slash frustrating that you pass these bills even though they've been
summarily panned by at least by two governors.
Well, and it's still important for the governor to hear from our members on these issues.
And what do you recommend our members do to reach out to the governor's office when it
comes to asking for a veto?

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Yeah, that kind of grassroots action is what farmers are really known for and is listened
to by the governor's office and the governor herself.
They definitely count how many letters come in from people.
And so we have a, you know, and I'm hoping many people who are listening to this know
this already, but we have a program on our website.

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We call it eLobby, but you can basically log in, put your name and address and they'll
be able, you can send an automatic letter to the governor asking her to veto the neo-nic
bill and we're working on a couple others exactly the two bills that you just mentioned.
So those will be up as well.
So it's www.nyfb.org.

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You can click on the link there to eLobby.
Very good.
Well now the session is out of the way.
Now there's some great things to look forward to this summer for New York Farm Bureau.
One of those being the New York Farm Bureau Agricultural Summit, which we coming up on
August 8th and you're have a big hand in putting that together.

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What can farmers and our members expect at this greater?
You know, as we're building up our first event last year for agricultural leaders to come
and learn more about looking forward, looking into the future.
I think across any industry, especially in New York, you know, people tend to look backward
and say, wow, wasn't that great?
No, we were like that.

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And this conference this year is more about looking forward and planning for the future
with strategic planning in mind.
And so we've crafted the day and it's going to be a really good day with three panels
and one speaker who will kick it off on strategic planning and what that means and how important

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strategic planning is for any business, but certainly farms in this business environment.
His name is Mike Carter and he is the Vice President for Strategic Development and Strategic
Thinking for Nationwide Insurance, our insurance partner.
He's really, really good.
And then we're going to build out for three panels and help people start thinking about

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strategic planning for workforce and who to hire, how to hire, and who is the next generation
or the next talent pool to work on farms.
And it's more going to be a surprise because it's not just going to be the same old, same
old Cornell skill, Morrisville.

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It's people who go graduate from John Bowen High School because they have the largest
FFA program in the state in Queens.
It's going to be people, it's going to be processors who have apprenticeship programs.
And so the idea is to get people to start thinking more planning for the next generation
of workforce.
Then we're going to have a great program on marketing and marketing trends and how to

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capture those trends for your business.
And we have a great panel there.
I mean, hopefully we'll have a surprise on that one.
So I don't want to, you know, I don't want to steal it yet.
And then we're going to have a panel of legislators, state senators.
Right now we have Senator Mannyan from the Syracuse area who's a Democrat in the Senate
Majority Conference and Senator George Perrella from Western New York who's the ranking member

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of the agriculture committee in the Senate.
We're still going to get one or two more panelists from the Senate.
And that's going to be strategic planning for advocacy because you can sit in your workshop,
your kitchen, wherever you game plan these things and game plan out on year three or
five years about what you can do for your farm.
But as we can see from this conversation, you know, your business plan is majorly impacted

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by decisions made in Albany and Washington, D.C.
So this panel will be about how to have those tough conversations with legislators that
don't have farms in the districts.
How to talk about pesticides, how to talk about the, what are the tips that those senators
do use to connect with their colleagues on those issues and trying to use those and learning

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more about that from our perspective so we can use those as well.
The goal is to send every member home with, you know, the kernel of a strategic plan for
each of those things and then the tools to build those out to use in a practical environment.
So it's going to be a really cool day.
It's going to be very exciting and you know, we've seen a lot of the panels taking shape

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and there's also going to be an opportunity for attendees to network with each other,
to sit around the table and have discussions, you know, after these panelists, after they
hear this to try and, you know, spin all their ideas and learn from each other, you know,
not just from the panelists but from the other attendees as well.
Yeah, that was something we started last year and I think that was the biggest hit of the

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whole conference is, you know, after each panel to have 15, 20 minutes to sit around
and talk, get everyone's reaction at your table to what was said and then build off
that.
So you're absolutely right.
It's going to be a great day.
We're going to have a panel on August 8th in Syracuse and if people register before
July 14th, that's 69 bucks, an early bird special, 79 and afterwards for front row members.

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Otherwise known as a steal.
That's right.
And you can find information on our website or you can go to summit.nyfb.org.
You can summit, s-u-m-m-i-t dot nyfb dot org and you'll get all the information there as
well as how to register.
So we look forward to having everybody there and Jeff, thank you so much for your time
and I know more big things to come over the course of the rest of the year and then of

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course we'll start right back up again in January with session.
Yep, exactly.
We're going to take a little bit of downtime and then get rolling again.
As a reminder, New York Farm Bureau takes positions in support or opposition of bills
based on member approved public policy.
Each year, our 52 county farm bureaus kick off the policy development process in the
fall.

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That's where they bring up issues of concern or an idea that they have that could benefit
all of New York agriculture and then they vote on it at their county meetings, which
will then make their way on up to our state annual meeting in December.
That's where delegates will vote on the policy positions, the A or an A, and we'll set the
policy for the next year.
So it really is a true grassroots process that reflects the will of our New York Farm

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Bureau members.
Thanks so much for joining us today on News Bites.
We hope you liked this conversation and if you did, please find and review our podcast
wherever you listen to it and also give a shout out to Seth Mozer Katz for editing today's
edition.
Until next time, make sure to thank a farmer for all that they do.
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