April 23, 2025 • 19 mins
In this episode of Next Door Gospel, Peggy Griffith reflects on the significance of living a resurrected life following Easter celebrations. She expresses gratitude for live-streamed services and shares heartwarming anecdotes from her church's Easter Sunday. Peggy contemplates how the story of Jesus' resurrection might be covered in today's media and relates it to modern skepticism. She discusses the complexities of atonement theory, advocating for focusing on the resurrection rather than fixation on the crucifixion. Peggy offers practical advice on living a resurrected life, emphasizing the importance of church community, music, and prayer. She encourages listeners to engage in small, faithful acts and consider where God might be inviting them to experience and share the resurrected life daily.
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Peggy Griffith (00:12):
And we are back at Nextdoor Gospel.
I'm Peggy Griffith, and it is sogreat to be sharing this time
with you today.
Whether you're listening whilecommuting, doing chores, or
maybe just taking some quiettime for yourself.
I truly believe God hassomething very special for you
in our conversation today.
(00:34):
I hope you all had a meaningfulholy week and a joyous Easter.
I'll admit that this year, Johnand I didn't get to do Holy Week
the way we usually do.
He's dealing with some residualeffects from his illness last
year that impact his ability tobreathe easily.
But I am so grateful for theministry that is live streaming
(00:59):
seriously to all you audiovisual tech people out there who
make this magic happen for yourchurches.
Thank you so much.
I hope you realize how importantyour ministry is, and yes, it is
a ministry.
I mean, being able to attend inperson is always impactful, but
(01:20):
knowing this option exists whenyou just can't be there in
person is just life giving andvital to being able to stay
connected when the times arerough.
But we did get to go on Sundaymorning and wow, what a morning
I got to smile and hug so manypeople I hadn't seen in a while.
(01:40):
It was great.
And the children were just.
They were so adorable.
Our services always have achildren's message where the
kiddos get to come up front anduh, they lead the congregation
in the Lord's Prayer, and thentypically they go off to Sunday
school for the rest of theservice.
But this past Sunday, for EasterSunday, we did something
(02:03):
different.
We had the kiddos stay in thepews with their family so that
the people who normally areteaching Sunday school, they get
the opportunity to worship inthe sanctuary and.
I love this idea.
I grew up in a tradition whereeverybody had Sunday school
before worship, and then theentire family was back in the
sanctuary for worship.
(02:24):
So this extra energy in the roomwas so very welcome for me.
I.
So anyway, after the Lord'sPrayer, our Director of
Christian Education, shereleased all the children back
to the pews with their parents.
And this one young daughter, shecame back to the pew behind me
and she sat next to her dad andshe looked at him and said,
(02:45):
well, this is awkward.
Yes, I suppose it was for her,but she was a total trooper and
even got a kick out of the brassensemble that we had with the
choir.
And as I listened to ReverendJulie read from the Gospel of
(03:06):
John about the empty tomb, andJesus appearing to Mary
Magdalene and telling her to goand tell the rest of the
disciples, my mind wandered abit.
Forgive me, Reverend Julie, ifyou're listening to the extent
that I like to try to picturemyself as a skeptical.
(03:27):
Observer back at that time.
I also like to think about howsomething like this might be
portrayed in today's world ofcable news outlets and social
media podcasts and cell phones.
I imagine all the news outletsshowing up to the scene of the
empty tomb, and I know some ofyou are too young to remember
(03:51):
this, but I am a Gen Xer and Igrew up in the age of Geraldo
Rivera, and he had this specialprime time episode called Al
Capone's Vaults.
And it was the hottest topic ofconversation for weeks and lots
and lots of hype had built upleading up to it that Geraldo
had gotten the scoop and he wasgoing to pry open a vault on
(04:15):
live TV and with millions of ustuned in to our dismay, and I'm
sure his own, he found, well,nothing.
So I ask myself, how might theempty tomb be covered in today's
world?
(04:36):
Would Mary's story be believed?
Would Anderson Cooper peekinside the tomb, suddenly seeing
nothing but strips of linencloth, try to make sense of it
all?
How many news anchors,theologians, scientists, and
politicians would show upcasting about theories on how
(04:59):
this might have happened?
I would like to think that thoseof us who consider ourselves
Christ followers would get itright away, but would we, after
all, as Nathaniel asked, can anygood thing come out of Nazareth?
Or would this entire event beeven newsworthy at all?
(05:23):
Maybe we wouldn't even hearabout it.
I came to the conclusion thatquite possibly the only entity
to really connect all the dotsaccording to the scriptures
would probably be chat, GPT,strictly logic, no emotion or
conspiracies, just.
(05:44):
Straight up algorithm that bindstogether thousands of years of
research and translations, andconcludes that Jesus is the
Messiah and fulfilled thescriptures by rising from the
dead.
And it might even come with oneof those cute action figure
images we've been seeingfloating around the socials
lately.
(06:04):
I know, I wish I would've cometo a more inspirational
conclusion, but it sounds kindof practical.
But it's usually in these days,following Easter, making the
transition of the story of Jesusresurrection to what it means
for us in practical applicationin our everyday lives.
(06:29):
And we start talking aboutliving a resurrected life.
But what does that really mean?
My memory goes back to a coupleof years ago, our church was in
the process of ordaining a newminister.
And in the congregationaltradition we have a process that
(06:51):
we call a Vicinage council.
And this means that we hold agathering of clergy and lay
leaders from neighboringcongregational churches who get
to know the person seekingordination to hear that person's
statement of faith formation,and ultimately offer an
affirmation of this person'scall to the ministry.
(07:13):
Typically, the ministers have anopportunity to ask questions to
the candidate based on his orher journey of faith.
Now, I'm gonna paraphrase this,but the candidate had stated
that she hadn't fully landed onwhere she stands on atonement
theory.
And this is what I love aboutCongregationalism because there
(07:35):
is recognition of anindividual's liberty of
conscience to make up theirminds about such things.
And without getting too deeplytheological atonement theory
speaks to the theory that Jesus,through his deeds, especially
his crucifixion, acted in such away as to achieve reconciliation
(07:57):
between humanity and God.
And there are some aspects ofthis theory, such as
substitution, sacrificial, orredemptive.
And you may hear this comethrough statements like, Jesus
paid the debt for our sin, orJesus sacrificed himself on the
(08:19):
cross, or Jesus bore the penaltyfor our sin.
It's something that manyChristians hold central to their
faith, and there are plenty ofscripturally based teachings
that dive into all these facetsof atonement.
And some folks are firmly rootedin one aspect or another of
(08:40):
atonement theory, while othersare still making sense out of
it, and it doesn't make a personany less a follower of Jesus
Christ.
However, they fall in thistheory in my mind.
But I share this distinctionwith you because she was asked
about her position or lackthereof on this theory.
(09:03):
And the question was, withoutatonement theory, then what was
the crucifixion even for, yeah,I think I just heard you suck in
and hold your breath.
Her answer made me wanna jump upand, and clap out loud, but
(09:23):
again, I'm paraphrasing, shesaid, I think sometimes we get
too stuck on the cross insteadof living the resurrected life
that we get to have with Jesus.
And I mean, my mind was blownand my heart was full because it
took a lot of courage for her tosay that out loud.
(09:44):
I'm sure of it.
And I think a lot of people inthat room appreciated her
response.
And it gave us all a lot tothink about.
And by the way, the councilunanimously supported and
affirmed her call to ministry.
But I have since looked atthings differently, my own
ministry differently.
(10:06):
When someone asks me what Ithink living a resurrected life
means, I think it means that weget to continue moving forward
in our walk with Jesus by ourside.
Instead of looking back at thetomb we left behind.
(10:26):
And I think that's a reallypowerful way to look at it.
And I also know that in therealities of our daily lives, it
is easy to get stuck hanging outback at the tomb sometimes.
I can tell you that for me,sometimes the demands between
work and life just draw all theenergy left of me.
(10:52):
And it is in those moments ofexhaustion that I am most
vulnerable.
It's funny how it works likethat, right?
I mean, in that vulnerablestate, my mind can become
bombarded with my to-do listthat overwhelms me.
All my failures and the ways Idon't think I measure up come to
(11:15):
head.
And usually it's as soon as Ilay my head down at night and
try to fall asleep and just likethat.
There I am stuck hanging out bythe tomb instead of moving
forward walking in confidencewith Jesus alongside me.
And I suspect so many of youknow exactly what I'm talking
(11:39):
about and are in that same boat.
Maybe it's regret from a pastmistake.
An addiction that fights likehell to pull you back in a
grudge you've been holding forfar too long.
I also know that we aren't alonein this, and part of living out
(12:04):
a resurrected life is simplyliving from our own resurrection
identity, approaching ourchallenges, not.
On our own strength, but from aplace of being united with
Christ in his death andresurrection because you see,
you are already fully loved,you're already fully accepted
(12:27):
and secure.
And when we recognize ourresurrection identity, we get to
rest, trust, lean, and rely onJesus and his promises.
And what are some ways to dothat?
Today I'm gonna share three ofmy favorite things to do, and
(12:49):
you can try these for yourself,but there are others I'm sure.
But number one, get to church.
And I know that sounds overoversimplified, and I know that
everyone's circumstances areunique, but last year my own
doctor asked me, where is aplace or an activity that bring
(13:13):
you.
Real joy and instinctively justout of my mouth was simply
church, and I think of church aspracticing resurrection
community, being in communitywith people who care and walk
(13:35):
with you and pray with you andoffer their wisdom to help you.
It elevates my mood and it makesme live my life more
purposefully, and I'm not justtalking about worship on
Sundays.
Many churches offer gatheringson other days of the week too.
You might join a weekly Biblestudy or a life group,
(13:59):
participate in a serviceproject, something that allows
you to get to know God withother people who are just trying
to figure it out too.
And where two people or more aregathered in Christ's name, there
is an opportunity for aresurrection community.
(14:21):
When John and I lived in Arizonaseveral years back, a group from
the church we attended had thesedinner groups, and once a month
or so, different families wouldtake turns hosting a simple meal
in their homes.
No agenda, no curriculum.
Just sharing food, our lives,praying and serving on one
(14:43):
another.
Resurrection community does notneed to be complicated, just
intentional and in an open spacefor God's love and new life to
grow together.
And number two, music.
(15:03):
It is why I love my music.
Mondays music has such a way ofbreaking through all that noise
in our lives and touching rightto our hearts, and especially
worship music for me.
I mean, how many times have youheard just the right song at
just the right time?
(15:26):
And if you're like me, I like toplay the song on repeat at least
two or three times because bythe time I get to the end of it,
I feel like I haven'tappreciated it enough, so I
gotta play it again and againand again.
And yes, singing while usingyour hairbrushes and microphone
is totally encouraged.
(15:49):
But I love putting a goodencouraging song on my heart
each day, and it's why I lovesharing it with you on Mondays,
and I pray it puts a littlespring in your step, even if it
is just for the day numberthree, prayer.
Even if, and especially if wedon't feel like doing it.
(16:15):
And you might even be surprisedto hear that it doesn't have to
be dignified or even out loud.
I talk to God almost all daylong.
I'll ask for an even temperbefore going into an intense
meeting at work.
I'll thank God for the warmththat hits my face as the sun
(16:35):
shines through my windshield ona cold day.
And in Wisconsin that is prettyoften.
I'll ask for help for a friendin need of a miracle cure.
And then sometimes when I justdon't know what to pray, I pray
the prayer Jesus taught us.
(16:56):
Yes, the Lord's Prayer.
Especially in those moments whenthe anxiety hits and you start
to feel your heart rateincrease.
Yeah.
The Lord's Prayer is on repeat,and it it returns me gently back
to a state of calm.
(17:18):
Living a resurrected lifedoesn't require grand gestures
or dramatic spiritualexperiences.
It happens in the small,faithful choices we make each
day to remember who we are.
To sing with our hearts full andto create spaces where we can
(17:41):
join with others who arefiguring it out just like the
rest of us.
It's to cultivate hope in themidst of difficulty, and to
bring Christ's presence intoevery encounter we can.
So let me ask you.
Where is God inviting you toexperience and share resurrected
(18:05):
life today?
What one small step could youtake to begin living more fully
in the reality of Christ'sresurrection?
I'd love to hear your thoughtsand experiences.
You can reach out to me throughthe, send us a text link in the
(18:26):
episode description.
Or you can connect with NextdoorGospel on Facebook and
Instagram, and if thisconversation has been helpful to
you, I'd be so grateful if you'dshare it with someone else who
might need some encouragementtoday.
So thank you for joining metoday, and may you walk in the
(18:49):
power and hope that resurrectionbrings.
God's kingdom isn't just comingsomeday.
It's already breaking throughright where you are.
And until next time, may theLord bless you and keep you.
The Lord make his face shineupon you and be gracious to you.
(19:11):
The Lord turn his face towardyou and give you peace.
Amen.
And we are back at Nextdoor Gospel.
I'm Peggy Griffith, and it is sogreat to be sharing this time
with you today.
Whether you're listening whilecommuting, doing chores, or
maybe just taking some quiettime for yourself.
I truly believe God hassomething very special for you
in our conversation today.
(00:34):
I hope you all had a meaningfulholy week and a joyous Easter.
I'll admit that this year, Johnand I didn't get to do Holy Week
the way we usually do.
He's dealing with some residualeffects from his illness last
year that impact his ability tobreathe easily.
But I am so grateful for theministry that is live streaming
(00:59):
seriously to all you audiovisual tech people out there who
make this magic happen for yourchurches.
Thank you so much.
I hope you realize how importantyour ministry is, and yes, it is
a ministry.
I mean, being able to attend inperson is always impactful, but
(01:20):
knowing this option exists whenyou just can't be there in
person is just life giving andvital to being able to stay
connected when the times arerough.
But we did get to go on Sundaymorning and wow, what a morning
I got to smile and hug so manypeople I hadn't seen in a while.
(01:40):
It was great.
And the children were just.
They were so adorable.
Our services always have achildren's message where the
kiddos get to come up front anduh, they lead the congregation
in the Lord's Prayer, and thentypically they go off to Sunday
school for the rest of theservice.
But this past Sunday, for EasterSunday, we did something
(02:03):
different.
We had the kiddos stay in thepews with their family so that
the people who normally areteaching Sunday school, they get
the opportunity to worship inthe sanctuary and.
I love this idea.
I grew up in a tradition whereeverybody had Sunday school
before worship, and then theentire family was back in the
sanctuary for worship.
(02:24):
So this extra energy in the roomwas so very welcome for me.
I.
So anyway, after the Lord'sPrayer, our Director of
Christian Education, shereleased all the children back
to the pews with their parents.
And this one young daughter, shecame back to the pew behind me
and she sat next to her dad andshe looked at him and said,
(02:45):
well, this is awkward.
Yes, I suppose it was for her,but she was a total trooper and
even got a kick out of the brassensemble that we had with the
choir.
And as I listened to ReverendJulie read from the Gospel of
(03:06):
John about the empty tomb, andJesus appearing to Mary
Magdalene and telling her to goand tell the rest of the
disciples, my mind wandered abit.
Forgive me, Reverend Julie, ifyou're listening to the extent
that I like to try to picturemyself as a skeptical.
(03:27):
Observer back at that time.
I also like to think about howsomething like this might be
portrayed in today's world ofcable news outlets and social
media podcasts and cell phones.
I imagine all the news outletsshowing up to the scene of the
empty tomb, and I know some ofyou are too young to remember
(03:51):
this, but I am a Gen Xer and Igrew up in the age of Geraldo
Rivera, and he had this specialprime time episode called Al
Capone's Vaults.
And it was the hottest topic ofconversation for weeks and lots
and lots of hype had built upleading up to it that Geraldo
had gotten the scoop and he wasgoing to pry open a vault on
(04:15):
live TV and with millions of ustuned in to our dismay, and I'm
sure his own, he found, well,nothing.
So I ask myself, how might theempty tomb be covered in today's
world?
(04:36):
Would Mary's story be believed?
Would Anderson Cooper peekinside the tomb, suddenly seeing
nothing but strips of linencloth, try to make sense of it
all?
How many news anchors,theologians, scientists, and
politicians would show upcasting about theories on how
(04:59):
this might have happened?
I would like to think that thoseof us who consider ourselves
Christ followers would get itright away, but would we, after
all, as Nathaniel asked, can anygood thing come out of Nazareth?
Or would this entire event beeven newsworthy at all?
(05:23):
Maybe we wouldn't even hearabout it.
I came to the conclusion thatquite possibly the only entity
to really connect all the dotsaccording to the scriptures
would probably be chat, GPT,strictly logic, no emotion or
conspiracies, just.
(05:44):
Straight up algorithm that bindstogether thousands of years of
research and translations, andconcludes that Jesus is the
Messiah and fulfilled thescriptures by rising from the
dead.
And it might even come with oneof those cute action figure
images we've been seeingfloating around the socials
lately.
(06:04):
I know, I wish I would've cometo a more inspirational
conclusion, but it sounds kindof practical.
But it's usually in these days,following Easter, making the
transition of the story of Jesusresurrection to what it means
for us in practical applicationin our everyday lives.
(06:29):
And we start talking aboutliving a resurrected life.
But what does that really mean?
My memory goes back to a coupleof years ago, our church was in
the process of ordaining a newminister.
And in the congregationaltradition we have a process that
(06:51):
we call a Vicinage council.
And this means that we hold agathering of clergy and lay
leaders from neighboringcongregational churches who get
to know the person seekingordination to hear that person's
statement of faith formation,and ultimately offer an
affirmation of this person'scall to the ministry.
(07:13):
Typically, the ministers have anopportunity to ask questions to
the candidate based on his orher journey of faith.
Now, I'm gonna paraphrase this,but the candidate had stated
that she hadn't fully landed onwhere she stands on atonement
theory.
And this is what I love aboutCongregationalism because there
(07:35):
is recognition of anindividual's liberty of
conscience to make up theirminds about such things.
And without getting too deeplytheological atonement theory
speaks to the theory that Jesus,through his deeds, especially
his crucifixion, acted in such away as to achieve reconciliation
(07:57):
between humanity and God.
And there are some aspects ofthis theory, such as
substitution, sacrificial, orredemptive.
And you may hear this comethrough statements like, Jesus
paid the debt for our sin, orJesus sacrificed himself on the
(08:19):
cross, or Jesus bore the penaltyfor our sin.
It's something that manyChristians hold central to their
faith, and there are plenty ofscripturally based teachings
that dive into all these facetsof atonement.
And some folks are firmly rootedin one aspect or another of
(08:40):
atonement theory, while othersare still making sense out of
it, and it doesn't make a personany less a follower of Jesus
Christ.
However, they fall in thistheory in my mind.
But I share this distinctionwith you because she was asked
about her position or lackthereof on this theory.
(09:03):
And the question was, withoutatonement theory, then what was
the crucifixion even for, yeah,I think I just heard you suck in
and hold your breath.
Her answer made me wanna jump upand, and clap out loud, but
(09:23):
again, I'm paraphrasing, shesaid, I think sometimes we get
too stuck on the cross insteadof living the resurrected life
that we get to have with Jesus.
And I mean, my mind was blownand my heart was full because it
took a lot of courage for her tosay that out loud.
(09:44):
I'm sure of it.
And I think a lot of people inthat room appreciated her
response.
And it gave us all a lot tothink about.
And by the way, the councilunanimously supported and
affirmed her call to ministry.
But I have since looked atthings differently, my own
ministry differently.
(10:06):
When someone asks me what Ithink living a resurrected life
means, I think it means that weget to continue moving forward
in our walk with Jesus by ourside.
Instead of looking back at thetomb we left behind.
(10:26):
And I think that's a reallypowerful way to look at it.
And I also know that in therealities of our daily lives, it
is easy to get stuck hanging outback at the tomb sometimes.
I can tell you that for me,sometimes the demands between
work and life just draw all theenergy left of me.
(10:52):
And it is in those moments ofexhaustion that I am most
vulnerable.
It's funny how it works likethat, right?
I mean, in that vulnerablestate, my mind can become
bombarded with my to-do listthat overwhelms me.
All my failures and the ways Idon't think I measure up come to
(11:15):
head.
And usually it's as soon as Ilay my head down at night and
try to fall asleep and just likethat.
There I am stuck hanging out bythe tomb instead of moving
forward walking in confidencewith Jesus alongside me.
And I suspect so many of youknow exactly what I'm talking
(11:39):
about and are in that same boat.
Maybe it's regret from a pastmistake.
An addiction that fights likehell to pull you back in a
grudge you've been holding forfar too long.
I also know that we aren't alonein this, and part of living out
(12:04):
a resurrected life is simplyliving from our own resurrection
identity, approaching ourchallenges, not.
On our own strength, but from aplace of being united with
Christ in his death andresurrection because you see,
you are already fully loved,you're already fully accepted
(12:27):
and secure.
And when we recognize ourresurrection identity, we get to
rest, trust, lean, and rely onJesus and his promises.
And what are some ways to dothat?
Today I'm gonna share three ofmy favorite things to do, and
(12:49):
you can try these for yourself,but there are others I'm sure.
But number one, get to church.
And I know that sounds overoversimplified, and I know that
everyone's circumstances areunique, but last year my own
doctor asked me, where is aplace or an activity that bring
(13:13):
you.
Real joy and instinctively justout of my mouth was simply
church, and I think of church aspracticing resurrection
community, being in communitywith people who care and walk
(13:35):
with you and pray with you andoffer their wisdom to help you.
It elevates my mood and it makesme live my life more
purposefully, and I'm not justtalking about worship on
Sundays.
Many churches offer gatheringson other days of the week too.
You might join a weekly Biblestudy or a life group,
(13:59):
participate in a serviceproject, something that allows
you to get to know God withother people who are just trying
to figure it out too.
And where two people or more aregathered in Christ's name, there
is an opportunity for aresurrection community.
(14:21):
When John and I lived in Arizonaseveral years back, a group from
the church we attended had thesedinner groups, and once a month
or so, different families wouldtake turns hosting a simple meal
in their homes.
No agenda, no curriculum.
Just sharing food, our lives,praying and serving on one
(14:43):
another.
Resurrection community does notneed to be complicated, just
intentional and in an open spacefor God's love and new life to
grow together.
And number two, music.
(15:03):
It is why I love my music.
Mondays music has such a way ofbreaking through all that noise
in our lives and touching rightto our hearts, and especially
worship music for me.
I mean, how many times have youheard just the right song at
just the right time?
(15:26):
And if you're like me, I like toplay the song on repeat at least
two or three times because bythe time I get to the end of it,
I feel like I haven'tappreciated it enough, so I
gotta play it again and againand again.
And yes, singing while usingyour hairbrushes and microphone
is totally encouraged.
(15:49):
But I love putting a goodencouraging song on my heart
each day, and it's why I lovesharing it with you on Mondays,
and I pray it puts a littlespring in your step, even if it
is just for the day numberthree, prayer.
Even if, and especially if wedon't feel like doing it.
(16:15):
And you might even be surprisedto hear that it doesn't have to
be dignified or even out loud.
I talk to God almost all daylong.
I'll ask for an even temperbefore going into an intense
meeting at work.
I'll thank God for the warmththat hits my face as the sun
(16:35):
shines through my windshield ona cold day.
And in Wisconsin that is prettyoften.
I'll ask for help for a friendin need of a miracle cure.
And then sometimes when I justdon't know what to pray, I pray
the prayer Jesus taught us.
(16:56):
Yes, the Lord's Prayer.
Especially in those moments whenthe anxiety hits and you start
to feel your heart rateincrease.
Yeah.
The Lord's Prayer is on repeat,and it it returns me gently back
to a state of calm.
(17:18):
Living a resurrected lifedoesn't require grand gestures
or dramatic spiritualexperiences.
It happens in the small,faithful choices we make each
day to remember who we are.
To sing with our hearts full andto create spaces where we can
(17:41):
join with others who arefiguring it out just like the
rest of us.
It's to cultivate hope in themidst of difficulty, and to
bring Christ's presence intoevery encounter we can.
So let me ask you.
Where is God inviting you toexperience and share resurrected
(18:05):
life today?
What one small step could youtake to begin living more fully
in the reality of Christ'sresurrection?
I'd love to hear your thoughtsand experiences.
You can reach out to me throughthe, send us a text link in the
(18:26):
episode description.
Or you can connect with NextdoorGospel on Facebook and
Instagram, and if thisconversation has been helpful to
you, I'd be so grateful if you'dshare it with someone else who
might need some encouragementtoday.
So thank you for joining metoday, and may you walk in the
(18:49):
power and hope that resurrectionbrings.
God's kingdom isn't just comingsomeday.
It's already breaking throughright where you are.
And until next time, may theLord bless you and keep you.
The Lord make his face shineupon you and be gracious to you.
(19:11):
The Lord turn his face towardyou and give you peace.
Amen.
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