Cross My Heart

This episode explores the intricate dynamics of male friendships, specifically focusing on the relationship between Alex and 2John; also Alex and Elle. We discuss themes of vulnerability, accountability, and the emotional challenges that arise within their friendship, illustrating the importance of honesty and support in building lasting connections.

• Examination of Alex and 2John's long-standing friendship
• Discussion on the rarity of emotional vulnerability in male relationships
• Conflict as a pathway to deeper understanding and growth
• Insights on Alex's struggles with grief and rage
• Evaluation of female characters and their roles in male narratives
• Exploration of romantic dynamics and emotional availability
• Call for healthier emotional connections among men
• Reflection on lessons learned about accountability in friendships
• Looking forward to the evolution of character arcs in future seasons

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi guys, welcome back to next episode.
I'm Nick and I'm Jess, andtoday is our final episode about
Cross, and I'm really, reallyexcited about this episode.
We're going to be talking aboutrelationships and I've been
looking forward to thisconversation the entire time, so

(00:21):
I want to start talking aboutfriendships, specifically Alex's
friendship with 2John.
I love it and the reason why Ilove it and I think we talked
about this on a differentepisode Was it Average Joe where
we talked about?
We don't often get to seehealthy relationships amongst
men.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
No, it was Supercell, and we were talking about the
relationship with rodney andspud yes.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
So it's not often that you get to see like an
example of healthy malerelationships and I, honestly,
this is a a prime example.
A prime example.
First of all, it's along-standing relationship.
They've been friends, uh, sincethey were children.
Second of all, it's along-standing relationship.
They've been friends, uh, sincethey were children.
Second of all, it's arelationship where two john

(01:10):
holds alex accountable for themistakes that he's made and even
like avoiding, like, gettinghealing, and that's beautiful to
see, like, like, because heloves him, like to me, that
shows that he loves him more anddeeper, because you know, like,
if you're really, yes,definitely, and so I love to see

(01:37):
it like.
I love their conversations, Ilove the fact that 2john calls
Alex sugar still back in my head.
I hear that what he he does.
He calls him sugar.
It's like his own littlepersonal nickname and I just
think that that's so cute one.
It's, it's cute.
But I just I like thefamiliarity.

(01:59):
The weekend I can be like close, invulnerable, without it being
weird, you know what I mean.
I can be my full self and Ithink that they can be like
close and vulnerable without itbeing weird.
You know what I mean.
I can be my full self and Ithink that they can be their
full selves with each other.
Because I feel like alex isreally going through it and I
don't.
He's not hiding that from twojohn two john sees, he does not
hide it at all and I think thatthat, once again, that's a sign

(02:23):
of a good relationship.
No, I'm not in the best place,I'm not my best self, but I'm
not willing to.
I'm not going to hide that fromyou.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
You can see all of me true, true, that makes sense
and you don't get to see thatwith men, a lot that means and
honest about.
Well, there's, there's becauseAlice is struggling with his
emotions, although that he caneffectively communicate them at
all times.
But you still see it, he's nothiding it.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah right and he I think he does communicate his
emotions they're just allwrapped up in rage and anger
right now because the way thatAlex amps out on to John, like
when I tell you, thatconversation, affected me
emotionally.

(03:08):
Like alex and 2john, like theyare closer than brothers and
2john has honestly had alex'sback and that does not.
I'm not saying that it's aone-sided relationship because I
did.
I don't feel like that way atall.
They have each other's back,they love each other, they look
out for each other.
But Alex is in a bad place, adark place, and he honestly says

(03:31):
things to 2john intentionallyto hurt him and to rip him to
shreds.
And I agree it was hard towatch.
It hurt I.
I know it hurt 2john's feelingsbecause it hurt my feelings
that he wasn't talking to me orabout me.
No, I don't know.
The beautiful thing about theaftermath of that scene is

(03:55):
2john's stance on business.
He does.
He stands on business and hereally takes a space from Alex
emotionally.
He still works with him, youknow, and he still supports him
in a lot of ways, but he reallyputs an emotional space in

(04:17):
between them to show him thatthe way that he was acting was
not right.
Like, if you think about it,the the most touching and
emotional moments are betweenthe two of them, and it's when I
say love story, of course Idon't mean in a way that's
sexual romantic yeah not at all,but it is a deep, unabiding

(04:39):
love that they share for eachother that I hope everybody gets
to experience in their lifetime.
I hope that everybody has afriend and gets to experience
that relationship, becauseeverybody needs that.
Everybody needs that personthat you can be yourself with,
that you know is going to haveyour back no matter what, who
wants the best for you and who'salso going to push you to be

(05:00):
your best self.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, I also think it's good for people to see that
you can resolve conflicts andfriendship.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
You can have really hard knockdown, drag outs and
and come past it and get past itNow.
I don't mean like justaccepting people treating you
horribly on a long-term basis,but it's very clear that this is
this is a temporary thing.
He is going through it rightnow.
This is not the entirety oftheir friendship and I feel like

(05:28):
it's not going to be the futureof it either, but they're able
to work through it and I thinkwe're going to see some more
working through it in season two.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
But yes, I agree, but he also did not cave in.
He really kept that distancefrom him while not spurning him.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Right, he was still helping him.
He wasn't trying to be spiteful.
He was still doing things tohelp him in the background.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's why I'm like 2 John is the greatest, like 2
John is the greatest.
He's the greatest man ever, youknow.
And so I, I love to see themwork together like how they work
in tandem.
I their friendship, them worktogether like how they work in
tandem.
Their friendship is great andamazing and I did not realize
that that was something that Ineeded.
And until I'm starting to seeit like, I am really enjoying

(06:21):
seeing healthy male friendships.
I love being able to see menexplore their emotions in a safe
space.
I've been enjoying seeing menvulnerable and, like you said,
solving problems and thinkingcritically.
You know, problem solving witheach other and not just avoiding
it right now.
Here's the thing they did almostcome to blows.

(06:42):
They did come to blows whenthey were having that, that,
that argument, and I wonder ifthey would have physically, um,
got into blows if the argumentwould have like quickly ended,
like would have ended faster ifbecause, honestly, the the whole
point of the argument was thatalex washing out, he hurt and he

(07:05):
was enraged and he was lashingout and I wonder if they would
have gone into blows if he wouldhave expended that energy, if
they would have made up faster.
I'm just curious about that.
I'm not saying that that'shealthy, I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I honestly felt like they were going to come to blows
anyway if the Black womanhadn't gotten in between them.
They were, I don't.
I honestly felt like they weregoing to come close anyway if
the Black woman hadn't gotten inbetween them.
Yes, like they were about tofight if they hadn't, and I
still think that they could haverecovered from that, but still,
oh yeah, they could have.
But yeah, I think I, yeah, no,I don't know that that, like
physically fighting, would havehelped them get over it.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
You know they both are boxers also Like and would
have helped them get over it.
Well, you know they both areboxers also Like.
That's something that they do.
They do like as workout, youknow as training.
They also box together and soeven like.
That's why I'm like I wonder if, like, getting out that
physical like as a way torelease that rage.

(08:02):
You know how it's like you seesomebody mad and they like punch
a wall or they hit us back like, is that the healthiest way to
get out your anger?
Maybe not necessarily, but likethere's a, there's a connection
you're not hurting anotherperson.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
That I don't think is like if you go to a rage room,
or you know what I mean likeyou're not destroying something
that's like long, like you puncha pillow or punch a bag,
something that's not going tohurt anybody and cause lasting
damage.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Hey, get that energy out but because we agree that
there's a connection sometimesbetween physical and emotional
energy yeah, I do so.
But yeah, they almost came toblows, but they didn't.
Thank God, because I'm likethose are two strong men.
Okay, those are two big dudes.
It would have been like twostatues fighting each other Girl

(08:48):
.
And I'm going to be real, Ididn't want to see it.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I didn't want to see it either.
I did not want to see it either, even if both of them had taken
their shirts off, which that Idid want to see.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Like they do such a good job of portraying like
emotions, Like you can beemotional, you can be vulnerable
with your friend and it doesn'ttake away from like your
manhood, your masculinity oranything.
And I love it and I want to see.
I want to see more of it.
I want to see more of it.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I don't think anybody would say either of those two
men were not masculine, but atthe same time, yes, they were
very kind, of open and theytalked about their feelings and
one of them tried to get theother one help you know he did,
he really tried.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Here's the thing like 2john was really up front with
him.
He was like he strong armed himinto making a therapy
appointment.
He really like stayed on himabout the therapy.
Do you think he was too pushywith that?
Um, I don't think so, and thereason why, the only reason why

(09:54):
I say that, is because alex isstubborn and, like you said,
he's a know-it-all and he'sdrowning.
His kids are suffering becauseof it.
You know what I mean.
And I think that, like you said, he's really focused on finding
his wife's killer, because shehe thinks that's gonna solve all
his problems and I don't thinkthat that will solve any problem
.
It never does.

(10:15):
How many times have we seen thatstory?
You find the killer and youkill them and you are still
broken on the inside.
So I I don't think that he was.
I think I don't that he wasbeing too pushy.
I think it needed someone whowas not going to let him forget.
Hey, listen, a lot of peoplethink that you have it together,

(10:36):
but I know you and I know youdon't have it together.
Imagine if every man had afriend like that.
You know it would be.
Friend like that girl, you know, it would be amazing, like you
know in general.
If they would just hold eachother accountable, that would be
amazing and emotionally supporteach other and like allow them

(10:58):
to experience real emotions.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
I think that men need that andapparently I need to see men.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's nice to see it depicted.
It is nice to see it depictedon TV and I do feel like we get
more Because you like well, Ithink you were talking about the
one that we were talking about,supercell, where we really
liked that relationship.
But you do see elements of thatin Average Joe as well, with, I
think, deon Cole and goodness,deon Cole, and that who looks

(11:30):
like Dave Chappelle.
I don't know his name, but helooks like Dave Chappelle to me
like their friendship wentthrough some ups and downs and
you see them both take it out oneach other and then recover
from that and apologize to eachother, and so yeah, yeah,
apparently that's needed likemore, more male friendships that

(11:51):
are healthy.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
So, yeah, I I enjoyed seeing that.
I enjoyed the fact that alexhad a community, you know,
because there's a lot of talkthat says that Black men don't
know how to build community, andso I thought that was a great
example of building community.
Like, not only did he have Nana, mama, who was, like you know,

(12:15):
a parental figure, but he hadlike a variety of friends,
people who not only he couldcount on but who count on him.
So it wasn't like a one sidedthing where he had people who he
was using when he needed people, he also had people who relied
on him, and I think that's animportant aspect that we don't
often see and that we know Right, the relationships aren't

(12:37):
one-sided, absolutely Right.
So I enjoyed watching him be incommunity.
Like I said, I also like thefact that he was not the only
star on his team.
You know, there's oftentimesdepicted in shows where, like,
there's this one person who'shead and shoulders above
everybody else, he's like he'sthe super genius who can come in

(12:57):
and solve and everybody else isjust carrying water behind him,
you know.
But you see, like Kayla isreally good at what she does.
2john is really good at what hedoes and he's well respected.
He's known around town, justlike Alex is known around town.
You know what I mean.
So I like seeing, I like seeing.

(13:18):
I like seeing that because Alexneeds that, because once again,
alex thinks that he knows alland he needs people around him
who can show him, who can teachhim stuff.
The fact that he trusted 2Johnto go on that fact-finding
mission, like on a normal show,that would have been the main
character he would have had togo and do all that.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Go and do everything Right.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I really enjoyed that .

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, I really did.
Okay, so this is a small part.
It's probably only me who paidattention to this, but I do like
the bit of characterdevelopment that we got from the
Black female police officerthat we keep calling just the
Black woman.
But what was her name?
Sean, detective, sean,something like that.
I liked it because one again,you're in that system, the

(14:09):
system is in perfect.
We see her go from just being atotal line to me she's trying to
do what the captain says atfirst and then once she kind of
breaks out of that, snaps out ofit, once she realizes no, this
really is a murder and thisshould not be squeezed under the
rug.
Then you start to see her dosome active, active, actual
detective work and I said, holdon, she's not a bad detective,

(14:31):
for whatever reason.
Like she in that in that moment.
That was not her best momentthat we see her at the beginning
.
But then once she actuallystarts doing some police work
and she tracks down the pharmacy, and she tracks down you know
the name, and then she gets madwhen she realizes it's a fake
name.
But I'm like, but nope, butsweetie, this is the stuff we
wanted you to do the whole time,right right, actually look into
it like yeah, no, I like thattoo.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Maybe we'll see more of her, you know?
Yeah, because I'm like who'sgoing to take over for the
captain now that she's likelocked up?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
oh yeah, the captain's locked up and then the
chief is going to be is tryingto be a mayor.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, I'm still so irritated with the captain, but
it just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh, the captain and the baby yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, the captain and the baby, and throwing away
your entire life for a baby, ababy that she will not get to
raise.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
It doesn't make sense .
But honestly, the cat thinggets on my nerves even more
because I feel like she is waytoo accurate of a representation
of what we get in policing andshe just does not give a fuck
about anybody but, her.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, they.
There's definitely at least howit feels.
I feel like the show portrayshow policing feels from.
Yeah, I can't say how accurate,the truth is somewhere in the
middle, but they did capture it.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Because I don't think it's even, but yeah, it does.
It's definitely how it feelsoutside looking in, because I
don't think it's even, but like,but yeah, yeah it does.
It's definitely how it feelsoutside looking in, like you
just really don't care.
Like these, there are certainpeople that are just disposable
to you and then once you realizethat cross is right and that Ed
Ramsey is the killer, now itneeds to be handled with kid

(16:22):
gloves, now it needs to beperfect.
Now we need to do real policework yeah, that's very true.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
You know what the killer is, and not because of
the victims right, that's sad, Ididn't think about that, but I
want to talk about somethingjuicy, okay.
Sorry, go ahead.
I want to talk about ellen alex, okay.
So let me say this.
I'm going to say this.
Okay, like I said, I think, ina previous episode, I've heard

(16:49):
that dating in DC is rough, it'snot for the weak, and I know
this character, like we learnedthat.
She has been like in love withAlex since middle school and I
understand that he seems like avery, very eligible bachelor.
He seems like it since middleschool and I understand that he
seems like a very, very eligiblebachelor.
He seems like it.

(17:09):
But she is crazy to be datingthat man.
Absolutely, he's not available.
He's not available.
He's not emotionally availableat all.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I need more information.
I get it Because out is hard,it's fun as hell and it would be
hard for me, but I'm likeabsolutely not.
But you know the moment forlike well one.
It's obvious that he is stillway too emotionally entangled
with his wife and he has notdealt with his grief.
So I don't care that he'ssingle, he is not available and

(17:44):
I do feel like that's obviousfrom the beginning.
But if no other moment, if youlet's say you, you, you miss
that and you're still trying tobe in this relationship with him
.
The moment that where I'm likeokay, out of taj, and now I'm
out, is right, is is when yourealize when you're at the
serial killer's house and yourealize that he thinks that Ed

(18:05):
Ramsey is the serial killer andhe still let you go because she
has a relationship with EdRamsey the serial killer, they
have some sort of, and so he didnot warn her, he did not try
and protect her.
She's in this house and she'sbrought the kids from her
foundation to the serialkiller's house.
At that point I'm done.
I don't care what yourreasoning is.

(18:28):
You don't care about my safetyand my protection at all.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
No, that's wild.
I want more information.
When did they start dating?
They say, oh, it's been over ayear since the wife has dated.
How long have they been dating?
It's not clear.
I feel like she was like I needto get ahead of the line.
I'm like she was at the funeral, I know she was at the funeral.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
You know she was at the funeral.
I don't think they starteddating then, but you know she
was at the funeral with pies inhand.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yes, she was at that house with chicken.
Okay, I just think that, like,because here's the thing, she is
putting herself in a positionto get hurt.
I know, like the show isportraying that they're in a
happily ever after situation,but if this was the real realm,

(19:23):
that man would play with herfeelings until he actually got
over his wife and then he wouldgo find somebody else, he would
be out.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Absolutely would.
This does not make sense fromher perspective at all.
She's getting nothing out ofthis relationship and at this
point you're getting nothing.
You're not getting theemotional needs met, you're not
getting your physical needs met,nothing.
You are just sitting here beingwith this really really broken

(19:53):
man at his leisure.
Yes, it's no sense.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
It doesn't make sense .
She is sitting here being withthis really, really broken man
at his leisure.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yes, it makes no sense it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
She is gorgeous that's.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
The other thing is that she is breathtakingly
gorgeous like that.
She is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
She is absolutely beautiful she is beautiful in a
way that black women are notanymore, in a sense that she
gives 90s beauty like youremember that.
What was the army group?
Like Jhene like when I saw herlike their song started playing.

(20:32):
Like, like her hair.
Like she looks like a classicbeauty like a like she's like
not class, like if we're callingthe 90s classic now, but she
looks like like think aboutholly berry in the 90s like when
, when you, in order to bebeautiful, you looked like it
was like a natural beauty.

(20:54):
You know, like nowadays, likenowadays, like our beauty is
more skewed and it's moresurgically enhanced beauty.
It's when you think aboutbeauty you think about people
and they're more surgicallyenhanced now, like she is a woke
up, like this beauty.
Okay, like she looks.

(21:15):
I don't know she looks like.
When I saw her I'm like oh myGod, she's like beautiful.
When you just had to bebeautiful, you didn't have all
that extra help.
You just had to be gorgeous.
But so, yes, she's beautiful,she's professionally
accomplished, like she's in therooms with some of the most
powerful people in the city.
Girl, why are you chasing thisman?

(21:35):
I like I know it's hard to findgo date a diplomat.
You live in DC.
Go date a diplomat because thisman is going to hurt you.
And the point that you made?
Yes, it is insane that he waspretty sure, 99% sure, that Ed

(21:56):
Ramsey was a serial killer.
And, yes, he let her come tothe house with no warning,
knowing that she deals closelywith him Because before he knew
Ed Ramsey was the serial killer.
She introduced him to Ed Ramsey, right?
So she knew how closely theyworked together because Ed
Ramsey is a big supporter of herfoundation.
He introduces her to people, hehelps, he, you know, he pledges

(22:18):
money, he really helps her withthe funding for her foundation.
So we're assuming like they'vebeen in this relationship.
So he knows how important EdRamsey is to her and how closely
they work together.
Yeah, no warning, none, none.
He could have you put thatinvestigation ahead of that

(22:43):
woman.
Would you have done that withyour children?

Speaker 2 (22:46):
You never would have done that with Maria.
You are right, he never wouldhave done that.
He never would have done thatwith Maria.
And for that reason I'm out.
You know what I mean.
I'm done.
I can't look at you the sameafter that.
Right, I cannot look at you thesame after that.
But, like there's a weirddesperation that does not make

(23:09):
sense with her.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
It doesn't, but it does in a sense when, like you
know, like when you're trying todate at a certain level and
then you don't feel like youhave a lot of options and once
again you have the nostalgiafactor where she has been
plotting on this man sincemiddle school and I don't, I'm
surprised.
Maria made it down to all soshe didn't poison her.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know what I'm saying, like like she's.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I think it's one of those things like okay, this is,
maria is dead, this is myopportunity.
I gotta go him before somebodyelse does.
I think that that's thesituation, but also like their.
Their relationship was veryunclear on what the lines were,
what the boundaries were,because in the beginning it
seemed like their relationshipwas like just like kind of like

(24:03):
slightly more than a friendship,like friendship with a lot of
attraction, were headedsomewhere, but it seems kind of
separate from his life.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
And then all of a sudden she was around the kids
yeah, it is unclear because,like also like at the beginning,
when they're first going out ona date, like one time they're
at dinner and she says somethinglike oh, if you do something
again, I'm gonna call Harold.
She's like, oh, he's like yougot you, you name him, you put
the name to my competition, asif they're not in a monogamous

(24:34):
relationship, like they're stillearly dating, but then she's
around the kids and there'sfamiliarity with her and the
children as if she's been aroundthem.
So it's very unclear, but Ialso think it's very unclear to
them.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
You know, here's the thing.
I've been in an unclearsituation thing, and there were
children there too.
I've done that an unclearsituation thing, and there were
children there too.
I've done that.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I know it still did not look like that but I think
that's because they're fightingso much stuff it's unclear.
I doubt that they've definedanything as to why she has a
backup date to begin with, andso they're just kind of coming
in anything as to why she has abackup date, you know, to begin
with, and so she's kind ofthey're just kind of coming in

(25:21):
and out of each other's lives inthis strange way.
So yeah, I don't think thateither of them is very clear as
what go.
I think she knows what shewants and she's willing to deal
with this uncleanness to get towhat she wants, but I don't
think they've defined anything.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I still don't understand how he's able to date
when you are constantly cryingover your wife and your wife
being dead and still dealingwith that and, like you know,
like he has one foot in and onefoot out, like the first time,
like they have a romantic dateand it looks like they're going
to consummate their relationshipand he breaks down crying.

(25:55):
It's like I thought's, like Ithought I was ready.
I thought I was ready.
How did you think he's notready to do anything?
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
How did you think you wereready, though?
Because you are constantly likeMaria.
Maria was the best woman.
She made the best waffles, shesang the best songs, she played
the best piano.
Nobody can make Kool-Aid likeMaria.

(26:20):
That's what your conversationis 24-7, when you're not solving
a case, you're talking abouthow much you miss your wife and
how sad you are.
So what made you think that youwere ready?
What indication did you get?
Yeah, I think I would havestopped messing with him at that
point and that was before theparty Because I'm just like,

(26:40):
yeah, because I'm just like youknow.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's fair, because if you're not ready, you're not
ready and it's not like you haveto have sex to have a
relationship.
But clearly this is more thanabout sex.
You are just not ready to haveanything.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yes, exactly, i'm'm sorry.
I want to be clear.
I wasn't sure she should leavehim because he wouldn't have sex
with her.
I'm saying was like hisreaction showed where he was
emotionally, that he's not readyto be committed to anyone in
any kind of way.
But she should have known thatif you are really getting to

(27:16):
know this man and you aredeveloping or rekindling
feelings or whatever you gotgoing on.
I don't know what your 10 stepplan is, but if you are getting
to know this man in any capacity, then you know he is not ready
for anything and he's not evenready for a casual thing.
He's not you.
He's not even ready for acasual thing.

(27:36):
He's not yeah, he's not evenready for F buddy, he's not and
so my question is in thissituation, if L gets hurt, is it
on her?

Speaker 2 (27:50):
I think, yeah, I think she's had enough.
I don't know because, like you,cannot be accountable for the
actions of other people.
So, like I, yes, because it'sobvious, and it's obvious that
she should take a step back, andI think her desperation to be
in a relationship specificallywith this man is overriding her
common sense.
So, yes, but it's still notokay.

(28:10):
Cross has come to a realizationthat he is not ready.
So when he said I'm not ready.
So when he said I'm not ready,it should have just been like
I'm not ready for sex today.
It should have been I'm notready for this and ended the
relationship.
Everybody's responsible for thethings that they do.
And although he might be comingto that realization late, he
came to it.
And you still engage with herback and forth.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Right, that's messed up.
It's messed up, it's messed up.
I was watching the show and I'mlike man, this is crazy.
But I'm also like side eyeingher because I'm like girl.
You don't understand, like youthink you're plotting on him,
but you are going to be the,you're going to be his bandaid

(28:52):
and then, once he's healed, he'sgoing to move on because he
doesn't want to.
He doesn't want that person whowas with him when he was a mess
.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
What does he know about you?
Cause that's what I can't see.
I'm like what do you, what doyou want from Elle?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
You're not getting to know her.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
We're childhood friends.
That don't mean you really likeyou get to know people on
different levels when you're ina relationship like you're not I
don't.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I feel like they.
I don't, I don't, I feel likethey've always known each other,
like I don't think this is likeoh, I haven't seen you in 20
years.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Situation like I don't feel like he's getting,
like what are you getting fromher?
Like what do you want from her?
You are not spending qualitytime with her, you're not.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
You know you're not getting the heart on a
relationship level, you're justkind of he's practicing how to
be a human again on her because,look like she invited him to
that party he didn't know how toact.
But I'm just like you were likein here, like you were trying,
she, I feel like he, she'strying to like teach him how to
be human again, you know, andnot just be like a rage machine.

(29:55):
But I I'm like why, like that'snot your job, baby, because
that's another thing, like you,from everybody.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
first of all, after that situation, everybody get
out my house, like everybody getout my house, yeah, but I'm
billing everybody from my Chinaat least.
I'm calling whoever I don't know.
I'm calling Crystal tomorrow.
I'm gonna trying to.
At least I'm calling whoever Idon't know.
I'm calling Crystal tomorrow.
I'm gonna call his girlfriend,chris.
Whoever bought that raggedynegro, I'm calling her tomorrow.
You need to check your man,because that don't make no sense

(30:22):
.
I didn't got rid of this manbecause that didn't make no
sense.
This whole situation.
I'm over it and trust andbelieve there will never be a
co-ed party with that dudeinvited up again, because he did
that on purpose.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Elle does not stand on business.
She don't, and I'm going totell you, I'm going to give you
a prime example of how shedoesn't stand on business.
So when they're at the cabin,it's her.
Miss Nancy and the children areat the cabin, and now she knows
that Miss Nancy is a danger andshe puts the sleeping pills in
Miss Nancy's cup.

(30:56):
The fact that once she thinksMiss Nancy fell asleep, she did
not bash her head in withsomething heavy, lets me know
she did not stand no businesssee, okay, I don't know cause,
like I was like, but she wasvery defensive and protective of
the children.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I did like that.
She was very defensive andprotective of the children.
I did like that.
Yeah, she was really trying Hersurvival instincts are weak.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Her survival instincts are weak and that's
why she lets Alex treat her likethat, because she don't have no
survival instincts.
Why don't?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
you.
She's a wonderful person fromthe outside looking in.
She got the makeup to be awonderful person.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I don't think she's a bad person at all.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
I don't think she's a bad person.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
I think she doesn't love herself enough.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Let me tell you what did you think about that moment
where she's about to take thekids to the piano recital?
Because me and the friend Iwatched it with yesterday had
the exact same reaction at theexact same time the first time I
watched it, right before she'sabout to take the kids to the
piano recital.
She's talking to Nana Mama.
I hate that name, but she'stalking to her.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I also hate that name , so I didn't know.
You hated it.
Hate it, you don't call.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Grandma Nana and I'm like yeah, we will make up a
name and mix names together, butthat didn't do.
All right, Nana will make up aname and mix names together, but
that didn't feel right.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Now I'm going to sound very awkward in my mouth.
It does.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't like it.
But yeah, she gets reallycreepy and weird and at first I
was like hold on, I didn't thinkshe was the street mom but I
was like, is she involved?
Somehow I got this real creepyfeeling from Elle and I was like
, hold on, did she do something?
Did she have something to dowith this?
I don't know.
She was just being reallycreepy.
But now, knowing like thatshe's not a part of the stalker

(32:40):
family and not involved in anyway in the bad stuff, I'm like
oh, was that just desperation?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, she's very thirsty.
It was also weird that thegrandma called her over to take
the kids to the recital, becauseonce again, it did not feel
like that's where they, thatthey were there, yet it did not
feel like that they are.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
They should not have been there yet, because you are
not a place where you shouldeven know who these kids are,
and maybe she knew them beforebecause they didn't know each
other so long, so maybe theyhave known her.
But like, um, yeah, yeah, youshouldn't be interacting with
these kids at this point.
It was weird and I did thinkthat she wanted to tell her that
hey, don't take this out on mynephew yet.
But again, pushing him towardsa relationship is not the same

(33:26):
as helping him get over hisgrief and him having a
relationship does not mean,clearly, that he has he's you
know dealt with his grief.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Right, yeah, I, yeah.
She was thirsty because she waslike, well, I mean, did you
come over, did you call me overhere for a particular thing?
And I'm like this conversationwas weird.
It was a very it was a veryawkwardly written conversation.
The conversation was awkwardlywritten but it also like, yes, I
feel like it showed like herthirst to be a part of it,

(33:59):
because I just I'm like this isnot appropriate.
It's.
It's weird, you know, for herto to invite, because I'm like
you want to go to a game orsomething, and I understand that
that his grandma does a lot forthem kids and she probably
needed a night off, a a break,but I'm just like you ain't got
nobody else.
2 John ain't busy.
It's something very intimate tome, I think, about the piano

(34:22):
recital, knowing that he's goingto be wearing the mom's watch
and that him learning to playpiano has been something he's
been struggling with since hismom's death.
It all felt too intimate, tooimportant for her to be the one.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Agreed.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, so I just I don't know.
Like I said, she's trying toget in line to make sure nobody
else get him.
Meanwhile you are getting drugfor filth, Like you are putting
your life in danger for a manyou slept with one time.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I hope they break up in the off season.
I really do, Are you serious?
I'm dead serious.
I hope they break up in the offseason.
I hope that we come back andthey're like oh yeah, you know,
since we decided that we're justgoing to take some time,
Because that's what needs tohappen.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Is this because you want all the time to be single?
No, because that's what needsto happen.
Um, is this because you wantall this?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
hard shit to be single.
No, because he's not single inreal life, so no, I mean that
shit is hell, but like it's,because there's nothing about
their relationship that'shealthy to the point where you
put yourself in this superdangerous situation for this man
, even though I know she's like.
Nobody at the time had thecontext that this was dangerous,
but you should have been brokeup with him.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
We knew it was dangerous because we knew it was
a crazy stalker who had alreadydone so many crazy shenanigans.
I did not understand why thatmakes it even worse.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
She knows Ed Ramsey is a serial killer and she's
still like, but this man, andlike I said, I get it, this is
fine, I get it, but I value mylife she was like oh, the kids
can come, there's a stalker.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Oh, the kids can come to my house, your house, but
then also you like, no, I'll goto.
I'll take your kids to thiscabin in the woods where there's
no internet and no cell phone.
After your grandma just gotbeat up, peter beat the bricks
off that woman, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I feel like she gave him a run for his money, though
it sounded like she was in there, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Now I'm going to play with.
I was very thankful of the waythat they did that.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, I didn't want to see that either sometimes we
don't need to see every littleviolent bit.
I'm glad, thank you for that.
I appreciate that as well.
But okay, because like the firstthing and this thing, again you
know who I am as a personbecause the first thing I
probably in my mind is like,when she said there's no
internet, I'm bringing my mobilehotspot.
I'm not going in the, even if Iagreed to go to the cabin.

(36:59):
I've got my mobile hotspot,I've got backup chargers,
because we're not going for anunplugged trip.
We are just trying to escapethis killer.
So I'm not about to be alonewith you and no way to
communicate with anybody.
I'm also taking my own car,like there's so many things that
I'm like what the hell is wrongwith you.
And even and you know me Iwould do that, thinking that she

(37:20):
wasn't dangerous.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Right, right, yeah, I just I'm like I don't
understand what her payoff is.
I mean, I understand what shethinks her payoff will be, but
the price is too high.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
The price is too high .
I ain't never wanted any manthat bad.
Yeah, I forgot that.
She does understand thatthere's a stalker too and a
serial killer, and she still waslike, but if I can just lock
him down.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Right, I'm taking care of the kids.
Now I'm in there.
I'm in there like swimming.
Yeah, the grandma called meRight.
But can we be honest, though,we know women who have done more
or less.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, that wasn't us, and not to say that we didn't
do some stupid things.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
We have.
I mean, who hasn't?
You've lived life?
You've done some super stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
You've done some dumb stuff, but yeah, that's a
bridge too far.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
It is, it is.
I'm telling you, he would havelost me at that night when he
was like I'm not ready.
Okay, thank you, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
I truly do believe in real life.
Yes, at that moment, thatyou're saying you're not ready
because I understand that I'mnot ready does not just mean I'm
not ready for sex.
If you didn't get it, thendefinitely at that party.
At that party, I will neverspeak to you again.
Do you understand me Right?
I'm blocking your number.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I will never speak to you again.
I'm also pulling the fire alarm.
Everybody, we all got to go.
It is not safe.
This nigga's killing folks.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Did you see that?
You know, what bothered meabout that scene is that they
left them kids in there.
They left them black childrenin there with that serial killer
Singing.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Fuck this man's birthday Right.
Everybody come with me.
She like I still need that $250.
I'm taking that.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
You know what time it went to.
We were at Myrtle Beach and Iwas like I put that frat boy who
was in danger in the car.
I was like get in the car, weall go in.
I don't remember that Girl.
You know we went to that cluband them dudes rolled up on us
after afterwards because, likethe frat boy was with us, he
thought that the frat boy wastaking us and I was like
everybody, get in the car, Getin the car now it car now.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Oh, wait a minute, that guy is still my Facebook
friend, really.
Yeah, I think his name startswith like a T or something.
He looks like Puerto Rican orsomething like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'mstill Facebook friends with that
guy.
I forgot about that's how wemet him.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
I'm like my natural instinct.
All the kids I don't give a.
These rich folks can do whatthey want to do.
All these kids get in the carwith me and we go home.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
If you live in a one-parent home, come on, it's
time to go Line up.
If you got free school lunch,let's go.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Line up.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
The party's over.
No, you ain't gonna get no cake.
We'll stop my public schoolright now.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Get in the.
Don't ask me.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I will explain in the car.
Get in the car, you can sing inthe car, I'll give you the ox.
Okay, yeah, that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I was like she got that card and them kids were
still singing.
What is she doing?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
yeah, that's wild, because I know them kids came
with you.
I know them kids came with you.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
They all got on therefore, because of you, and
at this point you know, this manis a serial killer right and he
doesn't.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
He hasn't even explained to her, like his ins
and outs, what he's into, likenothing.
So like you don't know what histype is, you don't.
All you know is, honestly, hegot a he, he, he does not like
alex and they're going toe totoe.
So anything connected to alexis vulnerable.
You connected to alex, themkids connected to you.

(41:04):
Girl six degrees of separationof separation.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Okay, so like, and we're dealing with her
perspective, what she know atthis point, you also knew that
they were like in this pissingcontest, with each other blowing
up each other's spot, and thatrant that Ed Ramsey went on was
incredibly racist about the mom,about Alex Cross yeah, talking
about his mom is a drug dealer,prostitute.
I'm like it just gives such aracist vibe too.

(41:27):
And again you leave these Blackchildren with a serial killer.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Here's the thing it was when she looked at him and
he looked at her and he's like Ithink the story's about me.
I was like, when I waslistening to what I said, I just
something, something this isnot right.

(41:52):
Like I'm like no, he's talkingspecifically, like I knew that
he was not talking about theperson he said he was talking
about, but I'm like I feel likehe calling somebody out and it's
the way that she looked at himlike and they both at the same
time.
I feel like he calling somebodyout and it's the way that she
looked at him like.
She's like did you tell himyour mama was a hoe?

(42:15):
He was like no, did you tellhim my mama was a hoe?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
How do you know, I like Pappy Van Winkle.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Right, yeah, that was .
That was a little.
I'm not gonna lie, that partwas a little funny.
I know it was supposed to belike emotional, it was.
I laughed too.
I laughed.
So yeah, she is.
She's tripping like Alex iswrong, but and I'm not giving

(42:46):
him a pass because of what he's.
She's tripping like Alex iswrong, but and I'm not giving
him a pass because of what he'sgoing through.
But what I'm saying is, ifanyone, but if she is clear
headed in the situation and sheis purposely not, she is with
just putting herself in asituation where she is going to
get hurt, like if Alex isalready hurting, so whatever,
but she's putting herself in asituation where she can get hurt

(43:07):
, like if Alice is alreadyhurting, so whatever, but she's
putting herself in a situationwhere she can get hurt
emotionally and then it turnsinto her actually putting
herself in a situation whereshe's physically in danger and
trying to protect them.
Kids that are not yours, that isnot your man, so those are not
even like your step kids.
You know what I'm saying likegirl.

(43:27):
I don't know what he put on her, that is not your man, so
that's not even like yourstepkids.
You know what I'm saying Likegirl, I don't know what he put
on her.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
But no, but it was already.
It was on her since eighthgrade, like she'd have been.
You know what I mean.
Like before he actually put iton her, it was already on her
Cause like I would have stoppedso long before then.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
You know what I bet she was like.
So she's been in love with himsince middle school.
I bet she was also like lookingat his relationship with maria
and it's like, oh my god, theyhave the perfect marriage, which
is close to a perfect marriageas you can have.
It seems like they did havethat, so that probably even like
stoked the fire and the fuel.
More so once maria dies, she'slike, oh, oh, he, oh, he's going

(44:05):
to be a great husband, butthat's not the same man.
That's not the same man.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
And honestly that means that I'm surprised he's
got a line at the door ofdifferent women around the city.
You know, quite honestly, Facts.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Why do you think 2 John is not in a relationship,
Like you see?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
2 John is a hoe.
That wasn't clear.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I mean he appears to get around.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
2 John dabbles in holotric.
Now he has.
He has morals and stuff likethat and values in general sense
, but I think he liked to runthrough women.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
So that was my next question.
Like he's like noble and youknow, always does the right
thing, but and and then he'slike telling, he's telling, uh,
aldous, you need to get some legexactly.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
But okay, okay.
And then again that goes backto my other point about how men
use women to heal.
You know what I mean.
So he's advising him to getinto a woman.
That's going to make everythingall better.
But also okay at the beginning,before even the tragedy.
And why I say two John as awhole is because when you see,
I'm going to stop calling himElvis and call him by his
character, I'm sorry when yousee Cross and Maria together.

(45:25):
And then 2 John is with thatwoman and he was like not too
much, basically y'all doing toomuch, like she gonna fix
something or what have you thatscene?
And then when he's talking tothe pregnant woman and she's
like you could be a good rolemodel for my child and he was
like if you let him with me, hegonna see some things.
And she's like I'm hoping, soI'm, cause he's a Hulk.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
And everyone knows it .
In that first scene the ladysays see, the fire doesn't have
to go out if you get married,meaning he's like I ain't trying
to get married and so, yes, hemay dabble in holotree, but I'm
like why he may dabble inhollatry, but I'm like why, when
you seem to have everythingtogether in every other

(46:08):
department you seem to beemotionally intelligent and
loving and caring and capable.
Why are you a hoe at this?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
big age.
We've seen him do all that withanother man.
We've seen that in hisrelationship with friendship,
men don't always see women asfully human.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
They can have a genuine friendship with the
captain.
You know what I mean.
You can see like in that scenewhere she asks him to be the
godfather, and even the scenewhere he has to go back and
arrest her.
He is very gentle, very lovingyou know what I'm saying very
emotionally invulnerable.
He seems as if he is capable ofa mature adult relationship,

(46:53):
but he may, just may, not wantit.
Like you said, he may want todabble, dibble and dabble, hip
and hop, and you know he has thepick of the litter.
He's been successful.
You know, handsome in a blackcity.
He has the pick of the litter.
He's been successful.
You know, handsome in a, youknow, in a, in a in a black city
, he probably has the pick ofthe litter.

(47:14):
What do you think about him?
And Kayla?
You know it was not my favoritething.
Um, it's so funny because I,before that, I swear, not too
long before that scene, I saidyou know what, like this show is
really beautiful and like veryblack and black love and black

(47:37):
relationships.
I was like man, this is reallynice and I swear.
You know he was like with Kaylaand I was like no.
Next thing, you know he wassleeping with Kayla and I was
like no there's something nice.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Even though we went in about him and Elle and why
they shouldn't be together,there's still something nice
about the imagery of seeing himwith two beautiful black women
it is two beautiful black womenwho are clearly black.
You know what I mean.
And then to John, and then yousee him really hesitant at the
beginning with that black, black, identifiably black.
You know what I mean.
And then to John, and then yousee him really hesitant at the

(48:10):
beginning with that black, withthe first, with the black woman
that he's on the date with, withhim and Cross, and then Kayla.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Right.
But here's the thing I will saythat made me feel better.
It was very obvious that it waslike a hookup.
It was not love For him, right,like, because, then like, you
see, you think so, because thenyou, I see him like, flirting
with, like Malika at the end nowthat, if we can get him over
his holotree, I want him withMalika yes, I saw him flirting

(48:41):
with Malika, so that made mefeel like Kayla was not that
serious for him, she hasfeelings for him, kayla has
feelings for him.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I think she does yeah , because why would she ask him?
Well, you know, if you andCross make up, what are you
going to tell him about us?
And he was like why would Itell him?
And that's what I'm like.
Yeah, that's too, john, I thinkshe likes him.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I think I just don't Trust her, because I guess I
don't trust her and I feel likeshe's working an agenda and so
I'm just like I didn't even seeher having those level of
feelings and emotions and to meI was more so Thinking that she
was Saying that, as if Alex isgoing to look down on her and

(49:27):
maybe it can affect their likeprofessional relationship.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
No, I think she likes him.
I don't mean I don't think it'slike super she's not in love,
but I think she wants more thanjust casual hookups.
Maybe hopefully not.
He curbed her so hard and thatpart I did like.
And then, yeah, him and Malika.
At the end I was like, oh, comeon now.
All we got to do is deliver youfrom this hollatry.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
I don't see it happening.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
No, I mean we got seasons.
He has potential for charactergrowth and development.
We had to spend so much time onthis first season in Cross's
development.
We had to spend so much time onthis first season in Cross's
development, we got room in thenext season for other characters
to develop.
That is usually how it?
Goes you focus a lot on themain character in the first
season, or the main couple ofcharacters, and then we really

(50:18):
see more of the other characterstories, usually in the
subsequent seasons.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Do you feel like they need to add more characters to
the show?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
No, not one more.
Not one more, with theexception of whoever's going to
be the criminals next year.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Okay, so who do you see next season as the main
characters?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Well Crossing 2.
John, of course Right, and Ineed Nana Mama to recover.
Did she recover?
We didn't see her at the veryend.
She's not dead, but like she'sstill in the hospital, I could
have sworn.
We saw her at the end.
I don't remember seeing her.
I don't think she's at thetable when everybody come to
breakfast huh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I have to look again.
I thought.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I saw her.
She was still in the hospital,but either way she's going to
recover because I'm not ready tolose her either.
Let's see those two.
I'd like to see moredevelopment from the detective.
I think Sean, the Black femalepolice detective I'd like to see

(51:25):
.
I don't want her to go away, Ijust want her to develop, I mean
who else I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
That's what I'm saying.
I think they need morecharacters.
You think they need more.
I think they do.
I think well, because a lot,we're losing a lot of characters
.
We're losing the captain, we'relosing the police chief.
You know what I mean.
Like I think, like, if you,because if we think about it,
the show is mainly about himcatching criminals.

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Like is Kayla, becausetechnically Kayla works for the
FBI.
Is she still going to behanging around?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
definitely, I'm sorry , kayla, she's definitely
because that set up for whatshe's going to do with all that
information and what's going tohappen is too big of a set up
immediately, like that fast,like next season.
I thought that was a set up fornext season.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I don't know, so I don't know if it's going to pay
off immediately.
I like his character isentertaining.
I still don't fully understandhis relationship with Ramsey, in
a sense that I understand thatRamsey pays him to do stuff for

(52:38):
him, but how do they getconnected, like they are so
different and I know Ramsey hashis fingers in a lot of pots and
stuff like that, but it wasjust like I'm just like wait a
minute, who is this randomhenchman?

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I would like to see more of Bobby Trey's story.
I watched it twice and I waslike, okay, I done made up a
military background for him thatI don't think exists.
But he's an ex-cop.
I know he's an ex-cop for himthat I don't think exists, but
he's an ex-cop.
I know he's an ex-cop, but I'mlike.
But ex-cop doesn't mean youknow how to use a sniper rifle,
you know.
That's very true, I'm like.
I'm like because I'm liketrying to figure out how he got

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to where he got to.
I know he's an ex-cop.
I know like they had to kickhim off the force or something.
Never told us why he got.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Or how he met Ramsey.
How long has he known Ramsey?
How long has he been doingstuff for Ramsey?
Ramsey has been on this journeyfor 28 years.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I'll tell you where I think his backstory is that I
made up for myself I think he'sex-military.
Whatever that was that made youvalue.
Life and death got severed forhim in something in the military
, and that's why he is so now.
It's all about the money.
The only thing he cares aboutis his dog and money.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
He does love that dog .
He's also so wild.
Like when he's in the hotelroom and he's doing all the
drugs and he's drinking and likeI'm like this man is so
unstable but I need like aprequel movie about him and Red
Ramsey Backstory about BobbyTrey.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I mean need like a prequel movie about him and Ed
Ramsey backstory about BobbyTrey.
I mean we can throw in how hemet Ramsey too, but I need to
know.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
I know yeah because I'm like, okay, how long has he
been doing stuff?
And is it just him doing stuff,just in DC, or does he go
around as, like Ed Ramsey hasbeen going around and doing
stuff, helping him with stuff?
You know what I mean?
Because, like Bobby Trey,because he's Black and he looks
a certain way, he's able to bein DC in the midst of the more

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urban areas and he doesn't standout, he doesn't stand out and I
personally think, because ofhow strong his accent is and the
way he presents, people thinkthat he is stupid.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I'm like Bobby Trey is not dumb.
I'm like Bobby Trey is not dumb, I'm like he's mentally
unstable, but he is incrediblyintelligent and I think that for
that reason, peopleunderestimate him.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yes, I agree.
No, he's not dumb by a longshot.
He found that girl faster thananybody.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Found the girl, found Tabio, like made connections
and I'm like, and he doesrecognize Cross's intelligence
and he was trying to tell Ramsey, but you know Ramsey's still a
white man and so you know hecouldn't see it.
He was like listen, this ain't,if you're gonna go you gotta go
toe to toe.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
You can't play with this man, right right, he didn't
hear it so, yeah, my questionis I'm like okay, so like, was
he just helping him with this DCpart or has he been helping him
?
And the amount of people whoknow what ramsey is up to and
are like okay, that's cool, ismind-blowing, because normally
when you think of serial killers, there is very much they work

(55:39):
alone or you know, like I thinkthere's been times where maybe,
like they work in tandem.
You know, actually I thinkthose may have been movies, I
don't know if I know a realexample of real life of serial
killers working with all thepeople, like the large scale
people who've been gettingarrested for these things.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I know it's not serial killer, it's other.
It's other kind ofindiscretions that they've been
doing for a long time, and thefact that he is a politician and
very connected to people ofpower is it.
Is it really?
You know what I mean?
It's an open secret, likethere's a lot of open secrets
that have come out this pastyear.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
I think what I I think what's weird is the amount
of people who admire him, solike the plastic surgeon lady,
and then the other guy Buckley,who planned like, who pledged
that money to the foundation,and Ed Rims is like, is like, oh
yeah, he's just like me and I'mjust like how y'all finding
each other?
Is there a red group?
Or like what?
How are y'all, how are y'alllinking up?

(56:31):
You know what I mean.
Like these, all these highpower, these are all high power,
high, you know, financialpeople, but they all have like
this sick mindset.
Yeah, when she was, when thatplastic surgeon was fixing that
woman's face, I'm like in thedetail in which she was

(56:53):
explaining to Chrissy, it waschilling.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
And that's the thing.
And then I was like she playedinnocent, frail kind of woman to
get over her cross and I'm likeit is so obvious that she did
all this.
I'm like girl and I'm like islike so obvious that she I'm
like girl and I'm like if thathad been a woman she wouldn't
have fallen for that.
Only because he was a man, thathe was like, oh, I'm going to
protect you, damn.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
going to the press she stuck in with that
hypodermic needle and was likeRamsey, won't let me kill you,
or else you would be out.
Right, if it was up to me right,she was like I don't, I don't
even play, I would leave youdead on my office floor.
And then she just got up andleft and the way she was sitting
in that chair, like a recliner,like she's like watching TV,

(57:38):
like acting like she's watchingTV as she's watching Ramsey
torture this woman, she lookedlike she needed a book of
popcorn.
She's sick.
That's scary.
Like stuff like that is is isvery, it's very scary.
Like, yes, you have, they findeach other even in real life.
Honestly, it's like one thing,yes, we have a serial killer,

(58:00):
but someone else who can sit andwatch it, I don't know, it's
very creepy.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Like the Buckley guy, like he's like, yeah, you know,
he's just like me and you know,I don't know, I'm like, oh my
god, there's like a network onmy nerves too, because I was
like I wouldn't even want hismoney the way he's talking to me
, like there's so many times Iwould have walked out that party
yes yes yes, yes, it was verymuch condescending, you know,

(58:25):
but I feel like that.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
You end up in those situations, though, when there's
that imbalance of power andpeople are used to being treated
a certain way, like if youdon't give them the deference
they feel like is due, they'lltry to take it.
You know so.
But did we talk abouteverything, girl?
I don't even know my lastepisode on cross.

(58:49):
I feel like we we covered itall.
I'm looking forward to seasontwo.
I want to see what's going tohappen.
Um, of course, I'm interestedin what criminal they're going
to be chasing, but I really wantto see where they're going to
go.
Go with the personaldevelopment of characters Me too
, because you know Kross is intherapy now.

(59:12):
So what happens now?
Like you know what's going totug at our heartstrings?
Because this season, man, itwas like, yes, it was a
thrilling season, but for me,the ride was an emotional one,
more so than like a thrillingsuspenseful ride.
It was an emotional roller moreso than like a thrilling
suspenseful ride.
It was an emotionalrollercoaster for me.
Yeah great same, yeah,absolutely enjoyable one oh yeah

(59:36):
, very enjoyable, lookingforward to a season two.
They're filming supercellseason two, so I'm very excited
about that.
I really hope we get more thansix episodes UKTV.
They know they can make a shortseason.
I have seen four episodeseasons Like, guys, come on,

(59:58):
what are we doing?
I need more.
I need more.
They're always good though.
They have quality TV.
But yeah, I'm excited.
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