Family Ties & Corporate Lies: Running Point on Netflix

Money can buy a lot of things, but it can't fix a dysfunctional family. The Gordon siblings—Cam, Ness, Isla, and Sandy—are navigating their billionaire lifestyle and basketball empire when they discover something their late father kept hidden: they have another brother.

Jackie, young and Latino, worked as a popcorn vendor at their stadium without knowing he was serving the half-siblings he never knew existed. Unlike the privileged Gordons, Jackie grew up with limited means, raised by a single mother who recently passed away from cancer. When he enters their world, he's not after money but something his wealthy siblings take for granted—family.

While Isla and Ness make genuine attempts to welcome Jackie, the family dynamics reveal deep-seated issues. Sandy, despite being born from an affair himself, treats Jackie with shocking disdain. His racist and classist behavior goes unchecked, while his own insecurities about his sexuality and status manifest in cruel outbursts. Cam, the eldest and former team president, hovers silently but menacingly, clearly plotting to reclaim his position from Isla, who stepped up after his drug-fueled downfall.

The show brilliantly balances its rom-com elements with meaningful exploration of privilege, belonging, and the damage family trauma can inflict across generations. As Jackie struggles to adapt to a world of wealth and corporate politics, viewers witness both heartwarming moments of connection and uncomfortable revelations about how power and money shape human relationships.

Season two promises to intensify these dynamics, with Cam's villain arc taking shape and Jackie's journey toward finding his place continuing. Will the Gordons ever fully accept their newest sibling? Can Isla maintain her leadership despite her brothers' machinations? And will Jackie ever receive his rightful inheritance? These questions keep us eagerly awaiting the next chapter in this entertaining yet thought-provoking series.

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Episode Transcript

Niq (00:00):
Hi guys, welcome back to next episode with Nick and Jess.
And today we're going tocontinue our discussion of the
hit Netflix rom-com RunningPoint.
Yes, I got it right.
Yes, you did so.
Today we're going to kind ofdig deeper into the family

(00:23):
dynamics.
I think we did touch on it.
You know a lot in the firstepisode, but I really want to
dig even deeper.
So when the show starts, theGordon family consists of Cam,
who's the oldest brother, thenNess, then Isla and then Sandy.
Sandy, who has a differentmother.
Is that how you understand it?

(00:45):
To me, yes, okay, good.
So what we find out, I wouldsay, fairly early in the show,
is that the dad has an affairwith a housekeeper and he has an
illegitimate child who actuallyworks at the stadium he's like

(01:08):
a popcorn vendor but they don'tknow that that's their brother,
and he also does not know thathe has siblings.
He thought that his dad diedwhen he was very young.
It wasn't until after his momdied from cancer that that he
got his mom's will and sherevealed um who his biological

(01:29):
father was.
Now, unfortunately, hisbiological father is already
dead, so he didn't get a chanceto know him and I'm like that's
kind of sad.
That sucks, yeah, but his dadknew who he was and he never
made an attempt to get to knowhim, so I guess maybe him

(01:49):
learning that earlier would havejust probably made him feel
like abandoned.

Jess (01:55):
Yeah, I guess.
So I do feel bad for Jackie.
Jackie's a little brother.
Yeah, he lost his mom and itseems like fairly recently and
never got a chance to know hisdad and will never get that
chance.
But he's also super excitedabout having siblings because he
comes from a small family.

Niq (02:14):
He does.
And so what's interesting isthe Gordons is a very typical
white all-American family, richfamily, yeah, rich family, and
Jackie is like lower class andhe's also Mexican, would you say
.
He's Latino, definitely, I can'tremember he's definitely Latino

(02:34):
, I think Mexican, but I couldbe wrong about that.
But yeah, he's definitelyLatino and so he has.
I feel like he has thatcultural, he has that culture
with him and so I feel like hebrings it.
So he has, I feel like he hasthat cultural, he has a culture
with him and so I feel like hebrings it.
He has a different kind of setof values than they have and so
it's kind of hard because he'strying to integrate him into,

(02:58):
he's trying to integrate himselfinto the family because, like,
he doesn't have any more, he hasvery little family left.
He really pretty much has acousin because his parents are
dead.
He doesn't have any more.
He has very little family left.
He really pretty much has acousin because his parents are
dead.
He doesn't have siblings, andso initially, when he finds out
that he's a part of the family,his cousin, who's a lawyer, is
just trying to convince him totake a settlement.

(03:18):
You know, just take the moneyand move on with your life, and
he's like looking for family.
One of the things I would liketo say is that he's 18, would
you say 19?
Very young, he's young.

Jess (03:37):
I don't think he's 21, but don't quote me on that.
I don't know.
He's young.

Niq (03:43):
He's very, very young.
He is very ill prepared forlife.
Yeah, well, he's ill preparedfor that life no, no, no, he is
ill prepared for all of life.
Okay, why do you say thatbefore?
Like okay, so before he findsout about the Gordons, he's like

(04:03):
a popcorn vendor and I'm like,okay, like, he's been working
that job since he was a teenager, which I'm like, okay, it's
fine.
I'm like, but what are youdoing now?
Because he's, at the very least, he's graduated high school and
I'm like, okay, what is yourplan?
He's like when he meets theGordons, he does.
It's almost as if he doesn'tknow how to do anything like

(04:28):
simple things that I feel likehe should be able to do.
Now, one thing that that didnot make sense to me is that
they decided to like make himlike her assistant.
Yeah, and I that didn't make it, but that's what I'm saying.
Well, there's no training, notraining.
There was no.

(04:49):
Okay, listen, you're gonna.
You need to start takingclasses.
I'm gonna buddy you up with along-time executive assistant.
You're now a part of like awell-known family.
You need media training, likethey very much still left him
like kind of to the wolves onhis own.

Jess (05:09):
Yeah, so it bothered me so much that they did not.
They got that job and they didnot offer any training.
I'm like her best friend.
I'm like, even though they endup, the best friend agrees to
help him.
I'm like, but it should havebeen set up like that to begin
with.
One she's a former assistant ofthe former CEO, so she knows all
that.
She's a former assistant of theformer CEO, so she knows all
that stuff.
She's part of the family.
Well, she's not part of thefamily, but she's close to the
family, so she'll keep anysecrets or whatever.

(05:31):
It just makes sense tointentionally pair them so that
she can train him on how to bean assistant.
But to think that he's going togo from popcorn vendor to
executive assistant and justmagically know how to do all
that stuff is ridiculous.
And I would say this I know yousay like he doesn't know how to
do basic stuff, but I've alsoworked at, like, large

(05:51):
corporations.
I'm like, when he's asking, howdo I transfer a call, I'm like,
no, I've worked for companieswhere you have to enter a nine
digit code to transfer a call.
It's not always that simple,you know what.

Niq (06:02):
I mean, you didn't know how to turn on the computer.

Jess (06:05):
Okay, he didn't know how to turn on the computer, but
like you know what I mean, likeI know it sounds like ridiculous
, but I'm like, no, I'vedefinitely.
When you get to companies thatlong, like sometimes, there's a
code to make the fax machinework, to make the all the things
I agree and like that kind ofstuff.
You have to be trained.
You're not going to magicallyknow how to do.
I felt bad for him.

(06:26):
He was definitely set up forfailure.
He doesn't fail, but he was setup for failure.

Niq (06:34):
Right, you hear a lot.
You hear Isla make a lot ofexcuses about the way that her
family acts.
A lot of times I feel like sheblames it on her dad for the way
that they mistreat each other,or like the way when they behave
unethical, and I'm like listen,I don't disagree that your dad

(06:55):
sounds like a terrible person,but at what point are you not
responsible for your ownbehavior?
Like, if you recognize that,like you have issues within your
family, why are you not intherapy?
Why are you not, like talkingto someone or trying to figure
something out, get a mediator orsomething like?

(07:17):
You can't just spend yourentire life saying, well, you
know, my dad was a this, my dadwas that, and that's why we're
this and that's why we're that.
I just don't understand thatbecause you have access to so
many resources, yeah, I justfeel like you can't use that as
an excuse.
Okay, I don't know.

(07:37):
So, initially, like they didn'twant to bring jackie into the
family, but once they met jackieand he kind of like basically
explained to them that hedoesn't really care about money.
He's looking for family likeNess and Isla like take him in,
like, and they're excited tohave him.
Sandy is very, very, veryresentful of him.

(07:58):
Sandy treats him so terriblynow.
Sandy doesn't treat anybodywell.
No, he does not, but he treatshim like the dirt under his shoe
.
Yes, him so terribly.
Now, sandy doesn't treatanybody well?
No, he does not, but he treatshim like the dirt under his shoe
.
Yes, he's very dismissive, veryrude.
He does not treat him like asibling at all.
Cam basically ignores him.

Jess (08:17):
A human and Cam basically ignores him.
But what also pisses me offabout that situation is, like
one treating Jackie like I don'tcare what Jackie or Jackie's
lawyer asked for.
Treating Jackie like he is likesome kind of interloper and oh,
he just wants money.
He's entitled to that money.
Just like in the same, the sameway you all including Sandy,

(08:38):
who's a child of an affair areentitled to that money.
He's entitled to that money.
That was his father too.
So like no, you don't get toget an attitude about him
wanting his cut of y'all'sinheritance and it kind of
pissed me off that he never gota cut.
Like he's still working, youknow, I mean, I don't have a
problem with him having a job orbeing working, because he would
want to do that anyway.

(08:59):
But like no, like y'all stillshould have broken off some
millions or have access to theinheritance.
I don't like this whole thingwhere he's working for the
company but he doesn't have anyaccess to the inheritance that
he is owed.

Niq (09:12):
Right.
I feel like, honestly, he'sowed more money than they are,
because they at least got togrow up with their dad and have
the benefits of, I'm quite sure,the best of everything the best
education, the best connections, the best networking and all of
these things that Jackie willnever get, and his dad knew
about him.

Jess (09:32):
That's what's happening.
You couldn't even set her up.
You couldn't even set like evenlet's say you want nothing to
do with raising this child.
You could have.
He's a billion, these peopleare billionaires.
You could have set her up sowell and set him up so well,
even though you never wanted tosee him.

Niq (09:49):
He was actually going.
The school that he went to was,like you know, it was a poor
school, because he tells herthat the school, like, gets like
something donated, like was itthe gym or something donated by
the.

Jess (10:02):
Yeah, I think so Gym or basketball or something Right.
Was it the gym or?

Niq (10:03):
something donated?
Yeah, I think so.
Gym or basketball or somethingRight.
They receive a donation fromthe team to build something like
one of their sports.
You can tell he did not go to afantasy school Just by the way
that he speaks.
You can tell he did not go to afantasy school.
He always sounds clueless.
He does, that's what I'm saying.
His mom did not prepare him forlife.

Jess (10:25):
She did the best she could .
She's also a single mother.
She loves it.

Niq (10:29):
She's also a single mother with multiple jobs.
He has where your survivalinstincts, where your problems
are.

Jess (10:37):
Again, your dad kind of messed you up.
They meet because she's a maidin one of his dad's vacation
homes, it sounds like, and thenthey had like a summer fling,
and right, he told him about himand he did absolutely nothing.
So then she's got to completelyfend for herself and raise this
child right, but if you know,you're the only better for life.

Niq (11:01):
But like that's what I'm just saying, like I'm not saying
she's a terrible person, I'mjust saying she's a very lovely,
sweet woman.
The way that he talks about her, like you can very tell that
she was an amazing mother.
I don't, but I'm just sayinglike he was not prepared for
life and you have to do thatbecause, honestly, you like

(11:21):
people die before their kids aregrown.
You got to start preparing andteaching them and giving them
those life skills.
I think had the circumstancesnot changed, he would have spent
30 years as a popcorn vendor.
Probably you know what I'msaying.

Jess (11:40):
I still feel like he's still not prepared, because I'm
like where's he's still notprepared?
Because I'm like where's hegoing to go after being Atlas
assistant?
They're not giving him anytraining.
Like the the the best thing islike her best friend, taking an
interest in him and trying tohelp him out and become a better
person.
But where are you going?
And at some point you need toportion of that inheritance.

Niq (12:02):
I agree, I definitely agree with that.

Jess (12:04):
I don't understand why this is an either-or thing you
either get to be with yourfamily or you get to get money.
And $2 million for billionaires?
Absolutely not.

Niq (12:17):
It's because they have terrible values.
Like I said, I do think thatthe siblings love each other.

Jess (12:26):
They do.

Niq (12:27):
They have an interesting kind of complicated relationship
, but their relationshipdynamics are very, very weird.
You have Sandy, who is a childof an affair but pretending that
he's not, because I'm quitesure he has issues with that
Sandy is also gay.

Jess (12:43):
That's what I think it is.
My impression was he's a childin an affair, but the father
left their mother to marry her,so eventually his family, I
think his dad was married to her, but it started off in an
affair.

Niq (12:55):
And he's also gay and he cares about that.
But no one else does, Not oneperson in the family.
Nobody in his family caresabout the fact that he's gay,
but he has like a relationshipthe dad did.

Jess (13:06):
That's the issue.
The dad was super racist, superhomophobic, all the isms there
was to the point where he putssome of his racism and
homophobia into the will.
So the dad treated him likethat all the time Because,
remember he said the dad used totake him to strip clubs, used
to all kinds of stuff, trying toget him interested in women.
So that's right from yourfather, but you take it out on

(13:29):
everybody else right.

Niq (13:31):
But like that, like the rest of it, like his siblings
have never you could tell thatthey don't care, they've never
cared, they've never been weirdabout it.
He has had a boyfriend for overa year and they don't know.
And they don't know.
It's not like one of thosethings where it's like, oh, I
don't want them, they won'taccept my lifestyle.
It's seriously, because hisboyfriend is a dog groomer and

(13:53):
he looks down his nose at hisboyfriend and he feels like his
siblings look down, it's himyeah, but like no, it's like no.

Jess (14:02):
You are that snooty.
You look down at this man who'sa dog groomer.

Niq (14:06):
He looks down on everybody.

Jess (14:08):
But you don't think he's good enough.
He does look down on everybody.
Sandy looks down on everybody.
To be honest, Sandy's the worstof all of them.

Niq (14:14):
I agree.
No, sandy is the worst becausehe looks down his nose at Ness
and he looks down his nose atNess's wife.
He goes to Ness's wife andbasically says to her because
she's like oh, you know what,you guys are taking away my time
with my husband.
I'm trying to spend time andenjoy time with my husband and
you guys are getting involved.

(14:34):
I need y'all to kind of take aspace.
Basketball can wait After 10o'clock.
I should be able to have timewith my husband.
And he looks at her and sayswell, you should know what
you're getting yourself intowhen you marry into a rich
family.
Now, nessa's wife is Vietnameseor Filipino.

Jess (14:55):
I thought she was Filipino , but I am not sure she said
Manila.
Where's Manila?

Niq (14:59):
Manila is in the Philippines.

Jess (15:01):
Okay, so she's Filipino, and so he says that to her,
which I Not only that he refersto prior to that, refers to her
as a male older bride.

Niq (15:16):
Was he the one who referred to her as a male older bride?

Jess (15:18):
I feel like several characters referred to her as a
male older bride.

Niq (15:21):
And so he says that I was so angry.
Her response, though, I lovedMe too.
She politely let him know thather family has more money than
his family ever could, and thatshe had three people whose only
job it was to get her ready inthe morning In Manila.

(15:44):
Yes and so, and he didn't evenknow that, like you can tell
that Ness has been married tothat woman for a long time.

Jess (15:52):
They have kids.
We don't see the kids, but weknow they have kids.

Niq (15:56):
How is it that you did not know about her family?
You don't care about anybodybut yourself.

Jess (16:03):
Not just you don't care.
You assigned a stereotype tothis woman and firmly believed
it and several people didhonestly, because I like that
there are so many sly littleracist comments about Ness's
wife, but like she is not whatanybody thought that she was and
she genuinely loves.
Ness, and Ness is not theeasiest person to love, even

(16:24):
though he's nice right.

Niq (16:26):
Yeah, I agree, he's your brother's, not a prize.
He gives creepo vibes to me,but no, she really.
She does love him, she doeslove him she loves him like it's
so like Sandy is so irritatinghe is yeah, I'm like no, you
believe all that crap honestly,out of all of everybody's sin,

(16:47):
mess actually has the bestrelationship he does he does,
like he has the bestrelationship.
His wife genuinely loves him.
Like they get along great, likeyou know.
Like they got.
They fell out because like hewasn't giving her the time that
she needed.
You know what I'm saying.
But they really love each other.
You know that Cam is marriedand he has a family, but I can

(17:10):
only imagine the drugs that he'susing.
I'm quite sure he's unfaithfulto his wife.
He looks like the kind of guythat's unfaithful.

Jess (17:17):
Well, no, they say it.
They said that he takes theplayers out to get shippers and
hookers.
They were say that he takes,like the players out to get
shippers and hookers, like youknow.
And they were like, oh no, camlikes hookers and drugs just
like our dad did.
Like no, it's yeah, he'sunfaithful to his wife.
His wife is a prop.

Niq (17:32):
That's why you never even see her no, you never see her or
the kids.
So Sandy's boyfriend like?
So Sandy's trying everythingfor the boyfriend not to meet
the family, including lying tohim and saying that you know
he's got work events when hisfamily events and Ness

(17:52):
accidentally meets the boyfriendand is so nice to him, yeah,
and so warm to him, so friendlyto him, so friendly to him.
And even after Sandy finds outthat they met, he still doesn't
introduce the boyfriend To therest of the family, even though
he's like.
I know you guys are going tosay something bad about him or

(18:15):
look down your nose at him.
Literally, your brother met himand didn't do that, and so His
boyfriend ends up leaving himBecause of it.
And the only thing I hate aboutthat situation is that they get
.

Jess (18:28):
They end up back together me too, because the boyfriend
deserves better than sandy,because everybody deserves
better see, I'm like oh, you cando you can do better.
I was really hoping it didn'twork out between him and that
person with Trina, sandy'sboyfriend, and the person with
Trina.

Niq (18:44):
Yeah, I'm like you know what I understand.
In rom-com land we have to wrapstuff up with a neat little bow
and because, like Isla's lovesituation was not going to be
wrapped up this season, they hadto give us something.
But I'm just like, no, sandydoes not deserve that man,

(19:05):
because that man was sweet, goodto see, he had his own business
, like it was all.
I don't understand.
I'm like, why are you datingthat man If you don't think he's
good enough for you?
But you're dating him?
Mm-hmm, how immature is that.
You're a big age keepingsomebody's secret right it?

(19:28):
It doesn't make sense.
So yeah, I feel like sandy isthe problem.
He's a troublemaker.
Like he treats jackie the worstand I'm like, yes, I know that
cam ignores him and that'sterrible too.
But like jackie continuallytries to connect with sandy and
he helps Sandy out and Sandytreats him like the butler.

(19:51):
That just makes me angry and theway that he With him being
Latino the way he talks andtreats him.

Jess (20:00):
I'm like, oh, it's so uncomfortable for me, it's so
uncomfortable.
But that's who Sandy is.

Niq (20:08):
I feel like Sandy and Cam got the worst parts of the
father.
Yeah, I honestly feel like it,and I know that everybody uses
the fact that the dad was aterrible person as a reason why
they all have their issues, butI feel like Isla and Ness are

(20:31):
good people who don'tnecessarily know how to have
healthy relationships, andthat's something that we need to
grow.

Jess (20:39):
They're working through it yeah, right, they're trying.

Niq (20:43):
They're trying with Jackson .
They're trying and they stumbleand they stumble Right, exactly
.
They're not Like they're tryingwith Jackson.
They're trying and they stumbleand they stumble Right, exactly
.
They're not succeeding the waythat I feel like they should,
but they are very.
They're actually trying.
Sandy and Cam are not.
They are terrible people.

Jess (20:57):
That's the difference.
Like Ness and Isla are tryingand having stumbles and some
successes and it's just a verynormal human.
Of course I'm not gonna getthis perfect kind of thing.
Cam and Sandy are just badpeople.

Niq (21:13):
They are they are.
They're not trying to be goodpeople.
And even like the growth arcthat they're trying to give
Sandy, with him realizing thatactually he had it good with his
boyfriend and he should get himback, I don't think that's.
It's not a real growth arc tome.

Jess (21:31):
No, because he's still the same person.
There's no evidence that Sandyhas changed.
He understands that he lost agood person, but I don't feel
like he's become better Todeserve that person.
I'm still the dog groomer whenthat personal trainer at sir.
You can do better.

Niq (21:49):
Can I tell you the scene that I enjoyed, mm-hmm.
When, like Ness tells Sandy,was it Ness that told Sandy he
needs to get on the apps andjust get a and just go on a date
to like because he'sheartbroken about his boyfriend
leaving him.
Yes, and so Ness is like, hey,you know, just basically get on
Grindr, you just need to get adate.

(22:10):
Like, shake it off, you makeyou feel better.
So he gets on Grindr.
He meets a guy.
The guy comes over, heconvinces him to like let's take
a shower together.
He locks him in the shower andhe robs him.
It could not happen to a nicerguy loved it every minute of it,

(22:30):
every minute of that.
That is also a really good sceneand it is hilarious also did
you, did you peep in that scenewhen so eventually he calls Isla
or he texts he has Siri texther and Isla comes to rescue him
and he says I tried five otherpeople before I called you.

(22:51):
Imagine you tried like fivepeople and you could not get one
person to come in and see aboutyou, dang.
But why did you need to tellher that?
Because he's a nasty, nastyperson, even if she's helping
you out.

Jess (23:08):
You still throwing shade at her.
You're the one who decided tomeet a Grindr date at your house
the first time you met them.
You left them behind, couldn'tfigure out that you need to go
to a hotel.
You can afford one.

Niq (23:23):
They are so rich, though, that she was like don't call the
police, because we don't needthat in the media.

Jess (23:30):
Yeah, but you could have met this person at the Four
Seasons and at least let himjust rob the Four Seasons Right,
exactly.

Niq (23:38):
Yeah, you don't need to let your house got robbed because
you're stupid.
Yeah, I thought that that waswild, but I thoroughly enjoyed
that was wild, but I thoroughlyenjoyed that scene because I'm
like you know what.
Yes, you are trash and more badthings need to happen to you
because you didn't even deservethat year that you were with
your boyfriend.

Jess (24:01):
He was too nice.

Niq (24:04):
So yeah, sandy is the worst .
Cam is second runner up, for ISuck as a.

Jess (24:09):
Curse.
I don't know what he's about todo to undermine Isla, but I
know in this upcoming seasonhe's about to undermine Isla.

Niq (24:16):
So we'll see.
He's definitely going on avillain run in season two, but
this is the thing.
I feel like he's going to belooking at isla like she's his
enemy, because he wants his spotback, which is wild, because
you created the spot from her byby doing crack in your car.

(24:38):
You know what I'm saying likeyou were tanking the team.
You were like abusing drugs,cheating on your wife, like you
were not even focused onbusiness.
She came in, put her, she puther relationship on the back
burner.
She did that like she put thatshe to put this team on her back
.
Like I just feel like why can't?

(25:00):
Like there's got to be a wayfor you to come back where you
don't have to destroy her careeror your relationship with your
sister?
Just the look on his face.

Jess (25:12):
Yeah, he's so selfish.

Niq (25:14):
You can.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I'm like, if you really feellike you need to be president
again, you need to come in withI'm creating a position for you.
You did such an amazing job I'mputting you in charge of.
Like, at least try.

Jess (25:29):
Like it's your sister, I get it but like I don't feel
like he ever needs to work thereagain.
I don't even know why.
You know what I mean.
Like from the board'sperspective.
I know why we're having thisconversation.
I don't know why we even havethis conversation if I was the
board.
Like no, sir, you did drugs andin a very public way you hit a
Dutch family with your car.
You cannot come back here.

(25:50):
You can't come back here.
I don't know what you're goingto do besides live off that
inheritance.

Niq (26:00):
Good thing you a billionaire but he's a white man
and, as you said, they tend tofail up.
So what's higher than thepresident of you know like he
may somehow get like a promotionout of this?
I never understand boardsexactly like I understand them,
but I don't understand them in asense that I'm like do you get

(26:24):
paid for being on the board?
I know like you have like forbeing on the board, I don't, I
know you have.
Does everybody on the boardhave stocks?

Jess (26:32):
Girl, I don't know, don't get me to lie to you.

Niq (26:35):
I don't know.
I think that it's like a.
I'm like is the board the sameas a stockholders meeting?
I should know that.
I don't.

Jess (26:44):
I don't have a reason to have to know that it's been a
while.

Niq (26:52):
I don't want to know bad enough to dust off those books.
So I just think that it justonce again like he is very
selfish and I'm like okay, so inin season two, are you willing
to throw away your relationshipwith your sister, the success

(27:12):
and momentum that she's builtfor the team, you know, all
these relationships that she'screated with sponsors, all of
this?
Are you willing to throw all ofthis away just so you can be
with yes, he is.

Jess (27:25):
He is that much of a selfish prick.

Niq (27:27):
Absolutely so.
Who do you think the brotherswould get behind?
I feel like it's a given thatJackie would support Isla.

Jess (27:38):
Oh yeah, Jackie's probably going to be the only one
supporting Isla.
Everybody else is going to besupporting Cam Nessa's probably
stuck in the middle for a while,but yeah, and Sandy is going to
be supporting Cam Nessa's.
Probably stuck in the middlefor a while, but yeah, and Sandy
is going to go towards the mostterrible person in the room.
You know so.

Niq (27:54):
Do you think that Sandy looks up to Cam?

Jess (27:56):
No, the crazy thing is that Sandy is incredibly
misogynistic, incredibly Like,more so than the others to me.
You think he's moremisogynistic, incredibly like,
more so than the others to me.

Niq (28:10):
You think he's more misogynistic than Cam yeah?

Jess (28:13):
He treats women like they are.
Nothing Like the way that heinitially talks to Nessa's wife
like I'm, like, sir, you don'teven think.
And then the way he talks toIsla when she has more
experience and more knowledge ofthis team and the sport than he
does, but he immediatelydismisses her like she's some

(28:33):
idiot Because while she was aparty girl she never gives
stupid, she never gives idiot.
You know, and that's yoursister, you should know it.
But like you think nothing ofwomen, think nothing of women.
And every time he's having aconversation with a woman it is
like he is having a conversationwith a brick, like you know, or
just like some kind of object.
I think he's.

(28:54):
To me he's the mostmisogynistic in the whole thing.
Cam knows enough to pretend.

Niq (29:01):
Good point, because Cam does have personality, sandy
does not.
Do you think that, like Iunderstand that, his disdain for
Jackie one is like a cultural,because he looks down on him, I
feel like, because he's Latino.
But do you think he also hatesthe fact that he's no longer the

(29:23):
youngest?

Jess (29:24):
Yeah, because when they called about that he seemed
really hurt about it.
So yeah, he's the youngest,it's another child, and then all
he hears about is money.
So now you got to possiblysplit your inheritance again.
But definitely there's someracial Like say he's racist,
like I'm sorry, like there's noway out.
I don't care what the reasonthat you thought Ness's wife

(29:46):
married her, but to come outyour mouth and say the stuff
that you said to her.

Niq (29:51):
I feel like Ness is Filipino.
I feel like Ness should havepunched him in the face for that
.

Jess (29:57):
Does he not even know that conversation happened?
He wasn't standing there.

Niq (30:00):
I don't know.

Jess (30:01):
I mean if I was his wife.
If I was his wife he woulddefinitely know about it.
But like, and you would havehad to handle it, and that man
need to say something before hegraced my doorstep again.
But I don't know if she's evensaid anything, because that's
the other thing.
It's like, like I said, he'snot the only thing that says
racist stuff.
About what's the wife's name?

(30:23):
Batoum?
About Nessa's wife, I think hername is Batoune Batoune.
She's probably been getting athis whole marriage and she just
kind of seems unbothered becausein her mind she's higher class
than everybody, which she is.
But still, you shouldn't haveto deal with that.

Niq (30:43):
No no.
And your husband does notcorrect these people enough
because that's just like.
That's the thing.
Like my, my husband would losthis mind if somebody would have
said something like that, ifsomebody would have came at me
like that, he does not, he doesnot play, he does not play about

(31:08):
me.
And the fact is like he feltcomfortable.
I'm like no, you need to bepunched in the face he
absolutely needs to be punchedin the face.

Jess (31:17):
He absolutely like you know y'all can get back together
later because you yeah, Batunis the name of the wife but
y'all can actually come backtogether later because you're
brothers or whatever, but don'tyou ever talk to my wife like
that.
And that's the thing.
Ness and I think this is thecharacter flaw in Ness it
doesn't necessarily come from abad place, but it's still a flaw
he so cares about therelationship, so much he's

(31:38):
always your number connectionthat when he needs to check
people he doesn't.
And every time somebody refersto your wife as a male or a
bride, you need to check out ofthem.
Every time somebody sayssomething crazy because your
wife is Filipino, you need tosay something to them.

Niq (31:54):
I agree.

Jess (31:55):
I agree Because, like what other relationship is more
important?
But that's part of theweirdness in their family
dynamic.
You know it's weird.
It's like they're very closeand they're not.

Niq (32:05):
At the same time they spend all their time talking to each
other, texting each other, butat the same time they do really
treacherous stuff towards eachother.
Yes, it's like um now, I didn'twatch this show so but I'm
gonna say it reminds me ofsuccession in a sense that, like
they're, they're family andthey share, like this business,

(32:26):
and so like, yes, they're family, but they're because there's
business involved, there's acertain amount of like distrust
and trying to like jockey forpower and like all of like that
stuff.
That kind of complicatesfamilies, complicated enough,
but then you add business andlike large sums of money, things

(32:47):
are going to get even moresticky, yeah.
So, yes, I think that like nesswants family and he gets family
business, you know, yeah, Ilove.
Like isla wants respect and shegets misogyny.
You know, I don't know whatsandy wants.
I, you know, I don't know whatSandy wants.

(33:07):
I can't, I don't know what hewants, because I don't feel like
they treat him poorly becausehe's an affair child.
They don't.
They don't treat him poorlybecause of his lifestyle they
treat him like a sibling.

Jess (33:20):
They treat him like he's an equal sibling right a lot of.
Sandy's chip is his daddy, butit's like again go work through
that stuff.

Niq (33:29):
I feel like Sandy puts the space in between them and
himself and then complains thatthe space is there, because this
is the thing.
Let's say that they were thetype to look down at their nose
at other people.
Obviously, ness does not care.

(33:49):
That did not stop ness fromlike marrying bethune even
though they did not know howwealthy she was.

Jess (33:58):
You know he never even made it.

Niq (33:59):
He never even told them like hey how wealthy she is.
Yeah right, like they're callingher a mail or a broad and he
knows like her family is wealthy.
He doesn't he's like whateveryou know, like even though like
Isla is married, like married,like engaged to, like Lev who is
a doctor, he's not like cool inthe way that, like Sam, like

(34:22):
Cam is you know what I mean, soI can see them like kind of like
making jokes about him.
But once again, like Avadoesn't care about that, like
only Sandy cares what otherpeople think, and I think it's
because he's constantly judgingother people yeah, he is.
He is incredibly judgmental andit's so weird because I'm like

(34:43):
you.
You would think that he wouldhave like, grown up and felt,
judged and felt all of thesethings, but it just doesn't seem
like it was that way.

Jess (34:53):
Maybe they'll dive deeper and we'll understand well again
only by his father, who was veryoutright judgmental and
disdainful of who he was, but hewas like that with everybody,
like you know what I'm sayinglike it wasn't, just like it
wasn't like, oh, he treatedsandy bad.

Niq (35:08):
He had a child out there that he completely ignored.
He basically treated isla liketrash just because she had a
vagina.
You know, I'm quite sure he putan incredible amount of
pressure, you know, on cam andon ness.
Like you know, like ness didwent through all of that stuff
to just like to playprofessional ball trying to get
his dad'sess.
Like you know, like Ness did,went through all of that stuff
to just like to playprofessional ball trying to get

(35:29):
his dad's approval.
And you know, like it, like he,they all had issues with their
father, but only Sandy seems toweaponize it, like Cam, you can
see, like Cam has his issuesalso, yeah, but he but it
doesn't affect him as sociallyas it does Sandy yeah.

Jess (35:52):
Well, and then we don't know anything about the moms, we
don't.
So maybe that's part of that.
Like I said, we get that onescene with Isla's mom when she's
younger.
But you don't remember thatscene.
That's how short it was.

Niq (36:07):
Like when you described it, I literally closed my eyes and
I'm like there's nothing there.
You can't see it.
There's nothing there.

Jess (36:14):
It's young Isla and her mom, as the mom is realizing
that the dad is leaving her forSandy's mom.

Niq (36:20):
Now I have to go back and find the scene, because yeah, I
missed that completely.
Oh, the engagement party.
Go back and find the scene,because, yeah, I missed that
completely.
Oh, the engagement party theycut up so bad at her engagement
party.

Jess (36:39):
I don't know why that was so funny to me.
Like them, fighting in the poolwas hilarious to me it's so
selfish.

Niq (36:45):
Like y'all couldn pool was hilarious to me.
That is so selfish Like y'allcouldn't hold it together for
one night.
Like we've been waiting on thisparty for seven years, seven
years and y'all could not holdit together in front of this
man's family.
You know what I mean.
Like yes, you guys all knowthat y'all are toxic and yada,

(37:06):
yada, yada, but Lev's family maynot necessarily know and
understand that.
Like y'all are.
So it was.

Jess (37:13):
I am, oh, I would have been so angry.
It was horribly selfish, but itwas so funny.

Niq (37:19):
It was entertaining to watch it was.
But I'm just like can youimagine, like what if like Lev
is like okay, you know what?

Jess (37:30):
I would have still got married.
This shit I was about toconvert for no reason.

Niq (37:34):
She would have still got married that that her converting
for no like, converting with noinformation, like is wild, is
wild that's when you just turnit into a destination wedding
for the two of you.
I told you they could have beenmarried.

(37:56):
If they really wanted to, theycould have been married.
And so I hope Lev goes toMinnesota and find the Midwest
girl of his dream, because hehas Midwest energy.

Jess (38:07):
I was about to say girl, I couldn't get it out of my mouth
.
Yeah, he feels Midwesternanyway, so I really feel like
that's the move for him I agree.

Niq (38:18):
I agree I was happy that isla made it to her friends like
ceremony me too, because I wasa little worried about that and
I'm like I was like please comethrough for this girl please
come right.

Jess (38:31):
So yeah, I was very happy that she showed up for some
reason I was super happy whenthe baby chose the money.
I don't know what that saysabout me as a person, but I was
also yelling get the money.
I don't.
I don't understand what theceremony is, but I was like I
love the money.

Niq (38:45):
I've seen them before.
So they put things in front ofthe baby and they symbolize
different careers, so like ifthere's like a little
stethoscope, they could become adoctor.
Money usually means they're inbusiness.
Maybe a book could symbolizethey're a teacher Different
stuff like that and they put itin front of the baby and the one
that it touches is what theyare supposed to do.

(39:06):
I've seen them before.
I love watching them.

Jess (39:12):
Girl.
All I know is I was rooting forit.
It really was a game.
I was like go get the money.
Get the money you can do it.

Niq (39:17):
Yes, are you like?
Do you ever like watch thevideos of the baby races and
like you're cheering on?
Oh, definitely.

Jess (39:23):
I'm always going to pick a baby.
Yeah, I'm always going to picka baby that I'm cheering on to
win.
Yeah, you know, it don't matterIf you say it's a competition.
You know who I am as a person.

Niq (39:34):
I was going to say I love niche races.
I've literally watched multiplevideos of tortoises versus
hares.

Jess (39:45):
I was like did you see the real life, tortoise and the
hare, the one I saw, thetortoise one.
Still, I did too.

Niq (39:51):
Yes, I also watched the videos where people racing,
popping like balloons andgathering bottles like I don't
know anything that's slightlycompetitive, like now do I feel
like some of those videos are alittle bit unethical?
I do, and I'm going to tell youwhy I feel like they're
unethical.
Because a lot of times thesegames in races and stuff you can

(40:18):
tell very much is in anundeveloped country,
underdeveloped country, they'replaying these games and they're
getting food for winning thegames.
I don't think I should bewatching this, so I make sure.

Jess (40:38):
I don't, I saw.
I saw the charges in the air.
I've been seeing baby races inAmerica.

Niq (40:46):
I ain't got that deep into.
I built my FYP brick by brick.
Sometimes, like you ever likeget a video and it is so weird
or just scandalous that you'relike wait a minute, what do you
see in me?
How did I get here that youthink this is for me, this?

Jess (41:06):
is not for me, only if I look at Nutter Butter's TikTok.
Don't do it.
Thank you for the money.
The candy, it is their officialfor coming.
The candy, like the candy, itis their official.
It is the candy maker NutterButter.
It is so weird, it's unnervingweird.

Niq (41:25):
Okay, I've seen some unnerving food videos also.
I hate those honestly Likeoverly sexual chefs are honestly
Like overly sexual chefs areweird.

Jess (41:37):
Yeah, they can be weird, but it's.
I don't feel like I candescribe what Net-A-Butt is
things like on here, but it'sweird.

Niq (41:48):
I don't, I believe you.
I believe you Because some ofthese social media, like some of
these corporate social mediaaccounts, are wild.

Jess (41:57):
I just need some.
Whoever runs it, has anybodydone a welfare check?
There's a line it's not okay.

Niq (42:06):
There's a line like there's like where you're like fun and
like a little racy, but thenthey like there's a line where
you're just like this is notappropriate and it what like?
What are you trying to do?

Jess (42:19):
it doesn't make me want to eat another butter, right?

Niq (42:22):
it makes me afraid of you, as you can hear in my voice the
way you make it sound like theyhave like a peanut autopsy video
, like I'm gonna describe it toyou when we get offline, because
I don't want to say these wordson camera she's like I don't
want these words like recordedso that someone from all time

(42:47):
can hear me say these thingsunderstandable.
Yeah, so let's talk about seasontwo.
So, as of right now, it hasbeen renewed for a second season
.
Yes, so in your mind, what doyou think is going to happen

(43:09):
next season, or what do you wantto see?

Jess (43:12):
okay.
So, first of all, there's goingto be whatever happy accident
happens so that Jay Brown doesnot actually go to Boston
because no to Boston.
So either his ex-wife is goingto I think she's going to get
like a brand deal or somethingto where it just makes more
sense for her to stay in LA andhe's not going to move and he's

(43:35):
going to stay.
So that's one whatever excuseor reason that they're going to
give for Jay Brown to stay,because that was too much sizzle
, or he's going to go to Bostonand not like it and come back.
But either way, boston is notgoing to be a long-term part of
anybody's reality, as it shouldnot.
And so that's one.
Two I want to see.

(43:57):
I want to see them get closer toJackie.
I want to see Jackie get hismoney.
There's so much potential therefor character development in
Jackie because he does have sucha long way to grow.
So I just want to see hischaracter development, how he
grows, how he's learning tonavigate this super rich world
that he's just been dropped into, how he grows, how he's
learning to navigate this superrich world that he's just been
dropped into, how he grows as aperson, and how they grow

(44:17):
together as siblings.
I'm expecting Cam to come backfull asshole and just undermine
his sister and try to get herout of that position.
And then I want to see Ness andBatouin rekindle, get their
relationship back together andNess to learn some boundaries
with his family so I would loveif we get more backstory like

(44:45):
more.

Niq (44:46):
I want us to meet the moms.
I want to see vignettes fromwhen they were kids, like I want
to really understand whatIsla's dream is, because I know
that she wanted to be a part ofit, because she felt like her
dad was leaving her out, and Iknow she has a love for
basketball Is being thepresident of the team.

(45:09):
Is that her ultimate dream?
Is that her ultimate goal?
I would love for her to likefigure out what she wants her
life to be and then create it,if that's still.
President of the team that'sgreat things happen to her and I
want her to kind of like takecontrol and make stuff happen.

Jess (45:33):
Yes, yes, because when she makes stuff happen for the team
, it's so good.
It's so good.
Even though it hurt my feelingsthat Hoopley's deal got messed
up.
I still loved seeing theprocess of her just wheeling and
dealing with them old men andjust running circles around them
.

Niq (45:52):
It was fun.
Yes, I do love like those aresome of my favorite scenes when
she's like negotiating and likethe business.
Honestly, like that businessside I really, really enjoy and
I would love to see more of thatLike how can she, if she gets
to stay, how is she going totake the team to the next level?
Like what more can she?

(46:14):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like so that I think that wouldbe like really, really
interesting.
I would like to see Jackie gethis life together like I want
them to be taking him to college.
Why do you have him as theexecutive assistant?
Like send that boy to school.
I can understand if you want togive him like an I think an

(46:35):
internship was the when she said, give him an internship, that
made perfect sense.

Jess (46:40):
I don't know why not as a finish, but you also still need
to run that boy his money right.

Niq (46:47):
I feel like I want to see him get well taken care of and
like I really want to see themlike groom him into the like the
man that he should be, becauseI feel like he has the base
values but he needs, like, theeducation and like the right.
Yes, yes, I don't want him tochange.

Jess (47:06):
Oh, I can't wait at his school, oh like, and we're going
to get to see him develop hisrelationship with the girl who's
on the dance team.

Niq (47:15):
Yes, who is so gorgeous, gorgeous?
That girl is just.
I'm like man.
You really were impatient.
I feel like if you would havejust stayed strong, y'all would
have been together.

Jess (47:31):
Yes, I also wasn't mad at him either, because I'm like
he's young, they're not in arelationship, you know.
So I kind of get it.
This is the first chance you'vegot to really sow those oats
and it just wasn't wise.
And again, you don't know thatbecause you haven't lived enough
life to do it so close to her.
And I also think like all thosegirls came on to him and so he
was like oh no, I'm desirable.

(47:52):
Now, like I don't think he alsorealized that that just
translates in the world nowbecause of who you're connected
to, so you could have wentoutside of the stadium and been
just as popular, but because hedoesn't know enough about that
world and how those things work,he didn't know to do that.
So I don't know.
I got a little grace with himon that.
But yeah, if you had waitedjust a few weeks, man.

Niq (48:17):
So on that.
But, yeah, if you had waitedjust a few weeks, man.
So, yeah, that sounds like.
Yeah, I really.
As far as Jay Brown, honestly Iwould not be mad if he goes to
Boston and they bring insomebody new as a love interest
for her, like I would not.
If it doesn't happen, I'm okaybecause, like I said, they do
have good chemistry, but I'mjust like you know what.
You've been with Lev for sevenyears.

Jess (48:39):
Like let's date around ooh , also did we get dating scenes
of her dating different dudes.
So then, and that functionsover him being in Boston.
You know, I just hate for ablack person to be in Boston,
but like, but yeah, I get that.
So then that gives her sometime to really date and I mean,
I guess he could date too umright, because I do think that

(49:00):
she needs to learn work-lifebalance.

Niq (49:02):
Like it can't be all or nothing, like since she's like
took over the team presidency,like she's like let her personal
life slide and she's got tolearn how to balance it out.

Jess (49:12):
He does have to learn how to balance it and also, honestly
, it just may not be a good timefor her to be in a relationship
.
Honestly, like you know what Imean, there's some times where
you've got to put that much workin your career, especially when
you have a big career like that, where but most people get to
do that a little bit earlier intheir life, right?
So, like having that, that,that that kind of relationship
is not as important then.
So, yeah, let's get a season ofher dating just different

(49:36):
people While she is stillsolidifying her place in this
team, and then maybe seasonthree they can come back.

Niq (49:44):
Maybe I can see that.
So, yeah, I think that thereare places that they can go,
there are characters that theycan develop, but I hope that
they keep the magic, like Idon't want it to get too serious
.

Jess (49:58):
I don't think it will.
I'm not worried about itgetting too serious this is not
a show.

Niq (50:02):
This show is cotton candy and it needs to remain cotton
candy.

Jess (50:06):
When I need cotton candy, this is a good we need cotton
candy right now.

Niq (50:11):
Keep it low stakes, keep it fun, keep it light.
You know what I mean.
Let's keep it.
We need kind of TV right now.
Keep it low stakes, keep it fun, keep it light.
You know what I mean.

Jess (50:16):
Like let's keep it.
So we're just battling love andlight misogyny.
That's fine Right.

Niq (50:21):
Exactly, but once again, like this show, I think, because
even though, as a woman, yes, Ihave dealt with misogyny and
like being doubted in theworkplace I've dealt with all of
these things and being dowdy inthe workplace, I've dealt with
all of these things I don't takethe stuff that she goes through
as personally as I did when wewere watching how to Dialogue.

(50:42):
I was just way too locked inwith that character and saw
myself so deeply.
Everything that she did it waslike we were doing it.
I don't feel like that.

Jess (50:56):
I don't over-identify with it.
That's true.
This character is also sodifferent that we cannot really
identify with her.
It's fun to watch her andyou're still in the fantasy of
it because we're not identifyingwith her.

Niq (51:10):
She's got champagne problems.

Jess (51:12):
Champagne problems, super rich, billionaire problems, but
it's fun to watch and see howthis develops.
But she's a very likablecharacter.
She is and we both apparentlyhave a strong nostalgia
connection to Kate Hudson we do.

Niq (51:25):
We do like.
I enjoy her listen.
I have been supporting KateHudson for years now.
Like half of my closet isFabletics.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, like that's her companysupporting Kate Hudson for years
now.
Half of my closet is Fabletics.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, that's her company.
At least she's the face of it.
Yeah, she's the face.
She started the company.
I'm quite sure she's gotbackers and other people, but
yeah, that's her company, me andher.

(51:47):
We've been locked in for years.

Jess (51:49):
She gets my money monthly.

Niq (51:54):
I'm a fan.
She's not K monthly, so I'm afan.
She's not Kirsten Bell, butnobody can be.
No one is.
Who is you know?
Yeah, Nobody is.
But you know I like her, I do Ido too.

Jess (52:08):
I do too.
Like I said, when I saw herface, I think, when I saw her
face on the promo in Netflix, Iwas like, oh, I'm like, and I
didn't even.
I think.
When I saw her face on thepromo and Netflix, I was like,
oh, I'm watching this.
I didn't know if it was a movieor theory.

Niq (52:17):
I also thought it was a movie, me too.

Jess (52:21):
I'm like, but I'm like can't answer.
Yes, let's do this.

Niq (52:24):
It is so funny when you're like you think you're watching a
movie and it's a show.
Okay, I'm going to keepwatching.
That's happened.
I think it happened.
I think that happened withNobody Wants this.
Also, I thought it was a movieand it turned out to be a show,
a series.
Yeah, because I'm very muchlike oh, I'm going to watch this

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.

Jess (52:50):
Is rom-coms, a series, instead of movies?

Niq (52:53):
I'm liking that.

Jess (52:55):
I'm like yeah, I'm liking that trend yes, yes, I do.

Niq (53:00):
I like it because it gives more time for things to develop
in in a better time span, like alot of times like that 90
minutes we meet, we fall deeplyin love and all of this stuff.
Like even like with like thisshow, like her getting this job
and figuring things out becausewe had so many episodes, she had

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time to do a good job.
She had time to do a bad job.

Jess (53:23):
Yeah, you know what I mean .

Niq (53:24):
Like she had time to like work on stuff with her
relationship and let things fallapart without it feeling so
rushed.
Yeah, so yes, I am all forrom-com series, so maybe that's
the next generation.

Jess (53:40):
That's what we get now.
We're getting rom-com seriesand I would love more of them.

Niq (53:45):
I hope so.
Yes, netflix, if you'relistening, hey, you know, listen
.

Jess (53:54):
Why doesn't Netflix listen to their actual audience?
If they did, we would have oneor two seasons of most shows,
but you know that's very true,like they have.

Niq (54:02):
I think there may be something in their clause that
if you hit like season three youget a pay bump, because I will
never like.
I'm still upset about themcanceling Shadow and Bone.

Jess (54:14):
I'm still upset about Julie and the Phantoms.

Niq (54:18):
That was so good.

Jess (54:20):
I'm like genuinely, and then I'll rewatch the first
season, you know, justperiodically.
And they get pissed off allover again Because Julie and the
Phantoms was amazing.
It was supposed to be thisgeneration's Taina.
You can't tell me no different.

Niq (54:34):
And then they just didn't get it.
No, they didn't.
They've canceled so manyhonestly good shows.
I can't remember the name ofthe show, but it was like about
like kids who were like huntingghosts kind of.

Jess (54:53):
Oh, I didn't even get to watch that the Ghost Detective
show.

Niq (54:56):
Yeah, no, no, you're talking about, like the Dead Boy
Detective.
I haven't watched that oneeither.
This is older than that.
I'm not doing a good job oftelling the premise because I
think I'm like the spirits.
Which one?

Jess (55:10):
No, I saw that one.

Niq (55:11):
I saw that one.
I think that one may be comingback though.
Oh, it is okay, I think so.
High school spirits, or schoolspirits, something like that no
this was a different show, likeit was like did the girl have
special powers or something?
Maybe certain kids have specialpowers in order to like hunt

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poltergeist.
I have to find the show again.
I think it only had one season.

Jess (55:36):
I was so irritated was it on Netflix or was it on a
different?

Niq (55:41):
network.
I think it was on Netflix.
I'm gonna find it and I'll tellyou what it is.
But yeah, like they upset mewhen they canceled that show,
I'm like I'm tired.
I even liked the show.
That was like the I'm going tomess up the title because the
title is long.
It's something crazy like thehalf bastard son of the devil

(56:05):
himself or something like that.

Jess (56:08):
I didn't see it, but I know what show you're talking
about.
Yeah, like that one wasactually good too, I got scared
that that was going to be likethe remake of Sabrina and I
can't handle it.
I got a thing with scary shows.
I can only handle so much.
So I was like I think that'sgoing to be like the Sabrina
remake and it's going to be toomuch for me.
No, it's not.

Niq (56:29):
It's not like the Sabrina remake, and you never have like
a show where they talk aboutlike the big bad, but like you,
really, you barely barely seehim.
It's like that.
It's like it's almost likeHarry Potter, in the sense that
they spend all of those moviestalking about Voldemort.

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Oh my God, he's so terrible,he's so terrible, he's so
terrible.
And then when you get him,you're like and that's how it is
.
It's like everybody's like oh,your dad is the worst, your
dad's the devil, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
And then it's like it's notthat bad.
But yeah, they didn't have to,they didn't have to cancel that

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show after one season.
You know, just call it alimited series, then, okay,
something.

Jess (57:19):
Actually, yes, netflix, I know you're not listening, but
start doing limited series andthen, if it's a hit, then expand
it into a show, because youkeep getting our hopes up.

Niq (57:36):
I get frustrated.
We might quit you.
It makes me, honestly,sometimes it makes me hesitant
to watch a show where I'm latewatching shows, because I'm like
I'm going to let it build up,let me even see what they're
going to do.
You know what I mean.
I will let stuff build up.
I miss, like the initialexcitement and the initial

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bandwagon because I'm waiting tosee what's going on, because I
get irritated.
So, like, please do better.
Yeah, you keep raising theprices.
I'm gonna need you to raise thestandards.

Jess (58:09):
Okay, you keep raising the prices right, but we ain't
getting no more shows.
We ain't getting no more shows.
We ain't getting no moreseasons.

Niq (58:15):
Do you remember when Netflix started and we were
getting DVDs through the mail?

Jess (58:23):
I was about to say we are OG Netflix subscribers because,
yes, we were subscribing toNetflix when they used to mail
us DVDs.
You created a list of all theshows you wanted to watch.
They would mail you a DVD andthen, once you watched it, you
put it back in the mail and thattriggered them to send out the
next DVD.
That's how long we've been inthis thing with Netflix.

Niq (58:43):
Right, I think I was like three DVDs at a time.

Jess (58:47):
so I could have up to three.

Niq (58:49):
Yeah, like that sounds like a hassle.

Jess (58:54):
Redbox came.
We might fool with Redbox butNetflix was our main.

Niq (59:01):
I'm just saying I know that was a hassle but honestly it
was good Back in the day.
They had all the best shows.

Jess (59:12):
I don't know why it was not a hassle waiting on those
DVDs it wasn't, it wasn't, andthen, when you got it in the
mail, you were excited yeah,like, honestly, they had better
emotional payoff when they had,when I was sending DVDs in the
mail, than now where I can watchanything at one time.

Niq (59:32):
Right, you know, the world has moved on.
Things are so different now.
Our desire, we expect adopamine hit faster and more
often.
I think yeah that's true.

Jess (59:45):
Yeah, I can't see that working today, but it was fun.
It was Well streaming, didn't?

Niq (59:50):
exist, then yeah, no, it didn't, that wasn't an option.
That was like like it was.
We went to the library, uh,like a few weeks ago, like the
Cobb County Library were doingthey were doing like a book sale
, um, and so like they were likeyou could buy like books for
like 50 cents I think the mostexpensive book was like a dollar
50.
So we're like, oh, let's go andget the baby some books.

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So we got there, like itstarted at like nine.
We got there like 10, 10, 30,like oh, I'm like you know it's
pretty early.
I saw people coming out withwagons full of books.
Not like the children's booksection was almost gone.
Like I just grabbed like a fewlike little thin, thin books for

(01:00:32):
the baby, but they had liketons and tons and tons of dvds.
And like this guy, he's like he, he told us he's like, yeah,
last year I was here and I gotfifteen hundred dollars worth of
dvds for like five dollars.
And I like turned to my husbandand I said, who has a DVD

(01:00:53):
player?

Jess (01:00:58):
I saw this thing literally last night and I still don't
know how it works.
So I may be describing it wrong, but I saw this thing on no.
Somebody on TikTok was talkingabout it, but then I think I
looked it up on Amazon where youcan like load your DVDs onto
this thing.
That looks like those computerrooms that have all the little
cell blocks I can't think of thenames A computer room.

(01:01:22):
If you go to a company, theirserver, it looks like a server
room.

Niq (01:01:26):
Oh, a server room.

Jess (01:01:28):
One individual server is what it looks like.
It's the actual object.
You put your DVDs in there andit uploads them, I guess, to a
cloud like thing, but then youcan share all your dvds with
your family like everybody else,can just log in and watch the
stuff that's on there.
How many dvds do you have?
I have zero, but I'm saying Ithought the idea was cool, like

(01:01:49):
if you, if you just want to get1500 dvds from the library, what
else you're gonna do with them?
I know you personally didn't doit, but I'm saying then I would
get the little machine loadthem into the cloud.

Niq (01:02:00):
That would be the only way that that would make sense, but
it's also like anything, thatany of those DVDs you could
probably find it online you knowwhat I'm saying?

Jess (01:02:11):
I'm not gonna actually invest in it.

Niq (01:02:13):
I'm gonna tell you where why it could be cool if you had
like home movies on DVDs, likeif you already had a huge
collection.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I would, I could see, likethat would be like very cool,
like a cool way to store andmake sure everybody has access
to all the family memories,right, because I'm like, and
then it's like for mine if I'munderstanding this thing, how

(01:02:35):
this thing works correctly.

Jess (01:02:36):
It's not like you still don't have your DVDs if you have
them, but it's just another wayto back it up to me, because
one of the things and, mind you,I'm referencing the TikTok that
I saw and then the item I thenwent to look up but the point of
the person was making was likethey had bought Disney movies
from various streaming services,like bought them, and then,

(01:02:58):
once Disney pulled their stuffoff of the particular streaming
services, they lost stuff thatthey had purchased.

Niq (01:03:03):
You know what I mean.
Oh, no, yeah, no, I can seethat that would be irritating.

Jess (01:03:08):
For them it was like oh, this is a way to back up
something I have purchased and Iwill always have it.
You can't take it from me.

Niq (01:03:15):
Yeah, no, no, no, that makes sense, that makes sense,
but yeah.

Jess (01:03:19):
I don't fully understand, but I thought it was cool.

Niq (01:03:21):
Yeah, so I guess that's our comment.
We kind of got off topic, butthank you guys so much for
joining us and, through all thetwists and turns, like we are
friends for real and I hope thatyou see and understand that in

(01:03:42):
our conversations, like we willhave to be having these
conversations anyway, we justhappened to bring you guys in
because we thought you wouldenjoy it.
But thank you so much forhanging out with us.