March 4, 2025 • 60 mins
Our latest podcast episode delves into the complexities of Melissa's romantic troubles with Alex, exploring themes of love, loss, and self-discovery. As they navigate breakups and lingering feelings, the conversation covers the impact of unresolved emotions and the importance of accountability in relationships.
• Discussion of Melissa's initial meeting with Alex and their intense relationship
• Analysis of Melissa's reaction to Alex's confession of love
• Exploration of the aftermath of their breakup and emotional turmoil
• Reflections on the implications of Alex's upcoming wedding
• Commentary on inappropriate flirtation and complicated dynamics
• Melissa's character growth during her airport-hopping journey
• The importance of self-discovery in navigating love lost
• Closing thoughts on personal accountability in relationships
• Invitation for audience engagement and thoughts on previous topics
The desire to gauge listener support and interest leads us to encourage our audience to get in touch and share their thoughts following the episode.
*At the time of recording this review "How to Die Alone was set to have a season 2. Since that time Hulu has canceled the series and creator Natasha Rothwell is looking for a new home for the show*
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi guys, welcome back to next episode with Nick and
Jess and today is our finalepisode on how to die alone and
I'm really excited because we'regoing to be talking about,
we're going to start theconversation with her romantic
journey on the show, and so I'mreally really excited about that
(00:22):
.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, so romantic journey.
So are really excited aboutthat.
Yes, okay, all right, soromantic journey.
So are we starting with Alex?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes, I think we should go in chronological order
.
Okay, so she meets Alex whenshe starts working at the
airport.
He's her manager.
Well, not when she startsworking at the airport, when she
moves to his department.
When she moves to his departmentwhen she moves to his
department and so she's hismanager and they were dating and
(00:49):
it was like pretty hot andheavy.
And then, like three months in,he tells her that he loves her
and she freaks out yeah, shefreaks out in a way that I had
never seen someone freak outbefore and she essentially tells
(01:12):
him that she doesn't want to bein a relationship with him and
that she doesn't have anyfeelings for him and that she
only is like dating him becausehe'll touch her.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That was the creepiest statement I've ever
heard.
I mean, even if you believethat, you said that out loud.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I was like what.
And so after that congress, ofcourse they break up.
And after that conversationshe's talking to rory and she's
telling him oh, it wasexhausting being that person
with him and in two months hewould find out the real me and
(01:48):
he was going to break up with meanyway, so it was better to do
it now.
That is some of the crazieststuff I haven't heard.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It is, it is.
I mean, it's hard to imaginesomebody's self-esteem that low,
but that's all I hear when whatshe says those words Like you
think nothing of yourself.
You don't think you deserveanything, Because this man is
very clearly enamored with you.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
From the first time he saw her and I'm like, yeah,
it was very unprofessional, butit was very clear from the first
time he saw her that he waslike yeah, I'm about that.
It was more than just physical.
He was physically attracted toher, but it was more than just
physical.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I think that they have a thing they get along
really well, they make sensetogether.
At that first time when theygot together you know what I
mean they both seem.
The whole exhausting thing is,I think, her dealing with her
negative thoughts Because, likethey did seem to get each other
and work well together andthere's a natural rhythm to them
(02:57):
.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
My question is what did not when?
What did Rory not say Babe,maybe you should see a therapist
.
He grew up in a rich whiteworld.
I know he knows about therapy,mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think part of that, his response to her and I guess
why I'm not so hard on him forhis response is because I think
it's how she presented it.
You know, like she almostpresented it like oh, he
couldn't possibly love me, butlike I don't know that and I do
think like if she had beentalking to a woman, a woman
would have heard it and would belike that's low self-esteem.
I'm not saying like there'ssomething wrong with him, but he
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took it as like oh, he's,there's something wrong with him
to where he can't fully see itthe way he responded to it.
But again, I think that's howshe's presented it.
She's presented it.
I don't even want to agreebecause y'all like Roy, but I
think a lot of that is how shetalked about that breakup.
(03:51):
It's weird, but her whole issueand reason for breaking up was
strange.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
it didn't it didn't, and so now they've broken up,
and now two years have passedand she finds out on her
birthday which I feel like wasshady that he is getting married
on New Year's, which I don'tknow what time zone Hawaii is in
(04:22):
, because that was kind ofconfusing.
They say he was getting marriedon New Year's Day, but on New
Year's Eve the groom was in NewYork.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
She flies out the next morning and says the
wedding is tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, no, that definitely was a plot hole.
Because I was like y'all gottwo or three days in between New
Year's Eve and New Year's Day,even with like, so Hawaii, yes,
is in a different time zone.
It's still a 12-hour flight too.
That's the other thing thatthey you know, they said 12-hour
flight.
I don't know how far it isbetween us, but they said in the
show it's a 12-hour flight.
(05:00):
I'm like none of this makessense.
Like even with him purposelymissing his flight, which he
does later on I'm like you'resupposed to get married tomorrow
.
You won't get there after thewedding.
That doesn't make sense.
So I think that was yeah.
I think that was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Okay, okay, I was like this is so confusing.
And so she, she.
You can tell as soon as shegets the invitation to Alex's
wedding that she's not over him.
Which is interesting becauseyou broke up with him.
So it's like, what did youexpect him to do?
(05:38):
Because she said oh, I thoughthe would have a rebound, I
didn't think he would getmarried.
It's been two years.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's been two years.
It's been two years.
And the other thing is like shemade it like a.
She made it like oh see, justlike I thought he would find
something else.
Of course he would find someoneelse when you left him, but
you're making this like.
You're making it seem like thiswas that you were right, when
it was not.
You created the situation.
Absolutely, I feel so, I feellike oh, I'm sorry, New York is
(06:08):
five hours ahead of Hawaii.
I still don't feel like thatfixes all the timeline plot
holes, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
That makes it worse.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, so like no, it doesn't make it worse.
Okay, so, right now it is, whattime for you?
3, 2.40, something 2.50, 2.55.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
okay, so right now, it is what time for you?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
3, 2, 40 something, 2 , 55 so it's 9 55 in Hawaii, 9,
55 am Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't know if that makes it better or worse?
Okay, it does.
It doesn't explain it, butactually doesn't make it worse.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Okay, explain right, no, okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So I think that that was not explained, right?
No, okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
So I think that that was reallyunfair of her to say, oh you
know what, yeah, I was right andoh you know what.
Like this, the lady that he'swith makes more sense because he
was very clearly into you andnever gave you any indication
that he was not.
(07:04):
Also, it was only three months.
Man like you are still piningover somebody.
You left that.
You only went for three months,girl, mm-hmm, you know, like
that's crazy it is crazy, but healso never stops flirting with
her.
I was gonna say, literally, Iwas about to say okay, I was
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about to say okay, I'vediscussed all the ways in which
she well, not all the ways, I'mgoing to get back to another way
in which she was trifling whenit comes to Alex.
But let's talk about Alex.
Yes, every chance he gets, heflirts with her and it's not
here's the thing.
It's not overly overt, but he,like you, can tell they had,
(07:50):
like inside jokes and, like yousaid, there was a rhythm on how
they talk to each other and Ifeel like he exploits that
intimacy that they had and whenhe talks to her, I feel like he
does things to trigger thatintimacy which I would not have
an issue with, except for thefact that you're in a new
(08:10):
relationship you have a wholegirlfriend you have a whole
fiance oh yeah, that's
Speaker 2 (08:16):
true, you have a whole fiance there's a wedding
planned, but people boughttickets to Hawaii right, and so
it's like you are beingincredibly inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
you are being incredibly inappropriate.
I do think he's inappropriate.
You are not ready to bemarrying somebody else.
And I'm not saying that becauseI feel like he should have been
sitting and waiting on Melissato get her stuff together,
because I don't think he should,but I think he never dealt with
(08:45):
that situation.
Neither one of them is over eachother but I and I'm like so why
are you getting?
Why are you getting married toa woman who you the things that
he complains about from hisfiancee?
Lets me know that you justmarried someone who would marry
(09:06):
you and not someone that you'reactually compatible with,
because she has strongfriendships with her girlfriends
and they go out and they haveadventures and they do stuff and
it bothers him.
Yeah, she's not me, she's notmeek, she's not timid.
(09:26):
He doesn't like that about herand I'm like but that's who she
is.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, because I don't know how much he really likes
her.
I think she seems like outsideof her trying to size up Melissa
that one time she's probably anice, good person.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Here's the thing what she did with Melissa.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
The reason why you need to is in your man.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yes, but here's the thing Never forget she found out
about Melissa.
She had just found out thatMelissa even existed.
Then Melissa had spilled to thebride's best friend, not
knowing that she was in lovewith her ex who works with her.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
And all that being true, your fiance invited his ex
to the wedding and didn't tellyou it was his ex you know what
I mean.
All of that can be true,because Melissa could be
trifling and really trying towhich I guess she kind of is
trying to get back at him.
The person you still need todeal with is the one that you
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are attached to.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Oh, a thousand percent.
But I understand her becauseshe just like, let me get, let's
just get this out the way.
You just told my best friendthat you are in love with an ex
that you work with Is it my man?
And Melissa's like no, she waslike, okay, cool, you know what
I mean.
Like she wasn't overly nastywith her.
(10:58):
She was very straightforward,you know what.
And I'm like you know what,just for my peace of mind.
I don't have an issue becauseyou guess what.
You're right there, I'm righthere, let's have a quick
conversation.
She wasn't like.
You know what I'm saying.
that's why you're nasty, but I'mjust like, but very clearly you
and Alex need to be having someconversations they do, oh no,
(11:20):
they absolutely do because, likeI said, alex complains about
who she is to Melissa and it'sjust a core of who she is.
She is a Right.
She's just like a fun, loving,energetic, she has friends and
if you think about how Melissais when they are together,
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that's not the opposite.
That's not.
It's the opposite.
Melissa did not have a lot offriends.
She pretty much only had Rory.
She was not even, she didn't goanywhere, she didn't do
anything and that is the two ofthem right and that's what he.
He likes that kind of woman.
So now he has somebody.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I don't think.
That's why I don't want them toend up together either.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's what I said remember I told you off camera.
I said they're not compatible.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
Well, I think they could have.
It would have probably been,you know honestly now, like it
would have been unhealthy.
I don't know how much growthshe would have been done in that
relationship.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Exactly would have been done in that relationship.
Exactly.
They are not for who she wantsto be, because at the time when
they are together, initially,the person she is is not the
person she wants to be.
The person that she wants to beis not compatible with alex.
Alex is to be.
You know how they have, likethose trash cans, those trash
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bags that are like floralscented or minty scented to hide
the smell of the garbage.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
He's a bag of that.
It smells nice, you know what Imean, but he's actually garbage
.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
He is Because you've proposed to this woman the
entire time, though you're beingoverly familiar with your ex
who you work with every dayyou're flirting with her, and
then so to fast forward to theend of the show, he's supposed
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to get on the plane to go toHawaii for his wedding and he
intentionally misses his wife.
Now what he tells Melissa isthat he talks about how the wife
is flying out early so her andher girlfriends can have one
last girl trip before thewedding.
(13:48):
And he's like, oh, with hercousins, her cousins.
And he's like, I mean, I knowit's small but it's a problem,
you missed your flight, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, no, no, no.
You missed your flight, whichalso, to me, sets up with them.
So, like you got this whole bigwedding planned in Hawaii, why
aren't you there early to helpset anything up?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Right, I did not understand that either.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Instead, you're playing with your old girlfriend
over ice, Like and I'll tellyou if I found that out and I
don't know that she will everfind that out, but if I find
that out we're gonna have issuesand complications here.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Okay, so let's set the scene the thai restaurant
that he and melissa bothfrequent often.
Melissa um introduced him tothe restaurant, but it's a place
that they frequent often.
He's getting food.
Melissa's already there At thispoint in the story.
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Melissa has decided that she'sgoing to confess her feelings to
Alex and she's going to do itat his wedding, which I have a
huge problem with, but we canaddress it after this.
So they meet after they end uprunning into each other at the
restaurant and they then havethe most intimate date ever.
(15:15):
Let's just call it what it is.
They're eating together.
He's talking to her about hisproblems and all the things that
his wife, that his future wife,does that he doesn't like.
They go shopping.
They're like two kids in acandy store, I don't know, but
they're just having so much fun.
(15:36):
They go ice skating without iceskates.
I don't know how they did that,but they did.
They were just all of theselonging looks, long stares, but
they did Like.
There were just all of theselike longing looks, long stares
and close touches, and I feellike Melissa was reading the
signals correctly.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
She was, she was, she was.
That's the part where I'm likeyou, gonna pretend like you have
not been flirting with thisgirl all night and you didn't
bring up the fact that you allbroke her bed and to act all
flabbergasted when she kissedyou.
When she kissed you, you wasdropping hints like bombs.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
you was, you know when she kissed him he
absolutely freaked out as if itcame out of nowhere.
But then after that says oh youknow what, if you want to be
with me, then tell me that youlove me.
(16:35):
And I'm like she does, shecan't and I'm like, wait a
minute.
If she would have told you thatshe loved you, were you going
to call?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
her, because your fiancee already over there and
your family.
The only person is not at yourwedding is you.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Right, and that's why I said he's a bag of garbage
that smells like Febreze, buthe's ultimately a bag of garbage
that smells like Febreze, buthe's ultimately a bag of garbage
.
Now I would also like to talkabout Melissa.
In this moment is also a bag ofgarbage.
The reason why is you professedyour love for this man and your
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plan was to do it at hiswedding, which, if her cousins
would have beat your behind, Iwould not have even felt bad for
you?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I would not have felt bad for you.
I mean, what's what theysupposed to do but beat you?
You know what?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
and so she, in that moment, she's good, she's kissed
him, she's confessed that shestill has feelings for him, and
he looks her dead in the faceand says, okay, well, do you
love me?
And then she's like, oh, um, Ican't say that.
What were you doing when youwere sussing out your feelings
and all of these longings andsleepless nights because you
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can't stop thinking about him?
You didn't think about oh well,last time he told me he loved
me and that was a problem.
You didn't think about.
Like, maybe I need to figureout how I actually feel about
him.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Because, like at this point, like it's probably more
comfortable, she's in love withthe idea of him.
You know what I mean.
Like she spent three yearsreminiscing over those three
months and then having thesemoments where they kind of flirt
with each other in the office.
He's become an idea, the.
And then having these momentswhere they kind of flirt with
each other in the office, he'sbecome an idea, the.
Confronting the reality of himis where she still has a problem
.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And I know you know, in an earlier episode we talked
about how healing is not linear,but that situation is.
I know we've been using thisword a lot, but it is what it is
.
It's very toxic Because they'restuck in this weird like loop.
Right, oh, I want to be withyou.
(18:51):
When you don't want to be withme, I want to, you know, and
back and forth, and back andforward, Both of you are stuck
in this three months, likeneither of you have let go of
that three-month period, right.
But meanwhile he's pulledanother person in and she is
playing games, because it's likeyou're so obsessed with him but
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you also don't know if you lovehim.
Neither one of them need to bein a relationship at this time
with anybody.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And I do think it's more of an obsession.
Alice is more of an obsessionthan love.
She is yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Because she sees the Febreze garbage bag and not the
garbage inside.
Oh my God.
Because I want to compare himwith Terrence, and so I love
Terrence.
Although I saw it in the firstepisode, the first interaction,
I said, oh my god, he likes her,like they were talking.
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You see him like scoot closerto her and I'm like, oh my god,
he likes her, even throughoutthe series.
You see him like scoot closerto her and I'm like, oh my god,
he likes her, even throughoutthe series.
You see him dating other people, but he always kind of has his
eye on her.
But the way that he approachesher, he's always like coming in
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and trying to lift her up and heis trying to affirm her.
And it's not that Alex doesn'tdo that too, because he writes
Alex with her a glowingrecommendation you know, but
everything that he does.
It just seems draped in theirrelationship, in their past
relationship.
(20:40):
It wasn't like to me, like thatrecommendation was almost a
love letter.
I just it wasn't like to me,like that recommendation was
almost a love letter.
It just I just every day,anytime terrence I mean anytime
alex talks to her, even if he'saffirming her, it's it's just
dripped in flirtation and thatit wasn't like that with
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terrence.
A lot of times Terrence wasspeaking life into her
insecurities, helping her tomove past them and just telling
her.
It's like Terrence is helpingher to become the person she
wants to be and Alex is lookingfor the person that she was.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And so, as the series goes on, you see like
Terrence's feelings for herbecome more clear and the way
that he manifests those feelingsis just with like that support
for her goals and thatencouragement, and I love it, I
love it, I love it, I love it.
And even like Terrence sees herhung up on Alex you know what I
(21:48):
mean and I was like oh, thathurts me.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
After the simulation where she walks off with Alex
and you see his face crack.
Oh that was hard.
I felt so bad for him because Iwas like girl, Girl, he
organized this whole thing justto get you on this plane that
would have been it for me?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
you know, that might have been it for me too, and I'm
tough enough to crack, but butthat was beautiful, you know
what like, you know how, like ifa man wants to do a romantic
gesture, like they'll bring yousome chocolates or a bouquet of
flowers, like, very like generic, like.
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When I tell you, like, creatingthat simulation, like it was
just like the most beautiful,like specialized show of love,
and that he knows.
Yes, I'm like girl.
Why are you looking in the pastLike you're running off?
Why did Alex show up?
(22:53):
There was no reason for Alex toshow up there At the end,
because you didn't actually doanything.
He did not, he did not.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I guess you let Patty off work so that she could
drive her over there.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
But like I was so frustrated.
You have to show up and takecredit, right.
He's like oh, I had to be therefor you and I'm like you.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Girl.
They're sizing each other up ather graduation.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, because Terrence is not crazy.
No he ain't.
Terrence is like there's noreason for you to be here, like
why?
Tance is like why there's noreason for you to be here, like
why are you here?
Like what's going on?
You know what I mean.
But once again Alex isinserting himself in her life
because I think he heard thatshe had dated somebody else.
Like when, you know, he didright.
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So he's trying to suss outwhat's going on and who she's
dating.
You have a wedding planned inHawaii, like back off of her,
you know, and I so I was veryfrustrated because I feel like
the show poses Alex as a goodguy Mm-hmm, you know and even I
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feel like the show positions himas her dream man.
You know what I mean?
And I'm just like no, he isgarbash.
He is garbash with a bow on top.
It's Terrence.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh, it's definitely Terrence.
It's Terrence for me.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Like she talks about the entire show.
How nobody knows her, hownobody sees her.
He sees her.
Yeah, Good and bad, bad.
He's trying to help her stopsmoking.
You know what I mean?
Like he really cares.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
He cares it's a good, delicate balance between him
supporting and uplifting her andthen also calling her on her
crap when she needs to becalling her on her crap yes, he
does.
It's all done in a very gentleway.
You know he's not harsh withher, but at the same time he'd
be.
You know he's not harsh withher, but at the same time he'd
be like.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
But once again, he's only holding her accountable to
what she says that she wants.
He's not holding, he's not likeI think you should be this kind
of person and these are thethings that you should do to be
the kind of person I want you tobe.
He's like this is who you saythat you want to be and you're
now she's looking back andsaying I can't be that person.
He's like oh no, you can.
(25:14):
I see it in you.
Let me help you bring it out.
You know what I mean.
Like he's gentle, parenting herinto the person that she wants
to be, but it's not in a waythat's infantilizing.
Yes, I love it and once again,it's a lot of times when it
comes with her and Alex, it'svery much her and Alex.
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Terrence rallies everybodyaround he's a part of her
community if they ever gottogether, it would not be just
the two of them in a wind tunnelin a dark corner he would add
to her life, not be her life.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Alex wants to be someone's life yeah, you know,
it is all the way.
It is Terrence for me.
That's who I want her to bewith.
I do not want to get with Alex.
I don't think I think you'reright.
Like talking to you, I feelstronger about it than I did.
I think, seeing it because Ididn't I didn't think of Alex as
a bad guy, I just felt likethey missed their moment.
But I do see some things that Ididn't see before, and how much
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he doesn't like the girlfriend.
I don't think I think I missedthat, like I felt like he was
disrespecting the girlfriend,but I didn't.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I don't think I really kind of fully like he
does not like her, he doesn't.
And so the girlfriend sayssomething about how in the
beginning she that she reallywasn't feeling him and then he
made her fall in love with her.
And I think that that's a.
That's a thing that he has likehe wants.
He wants to love a woman, hewants a relationship, and it's
not necessarily about let mefind the best person for me.
It's like let me find somebody,and that's why it's like that's
(26:56):
that, that's why they'restruggling you know, what I mean
, because they're not compatible.
And the girlfriend I think theyoriginally saw it, but he was
like very persistent, I think hebroke her down yeah and now
he's like, oh, I got her, butshe's not actually.
She's got a life of her own,you know.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I know because I'm like outside of this context,
like she seems like cool peopleyou and Melissa probably
wouldn't even get along outsideof him.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I'm telling you he needs to be with Rory and the
only reason why I said that isbecause Rory is also very tunnel
vision and he only wants to bewith his partner.
I know that Alex is nothomosexual, but I'm saying
that's the kind of person.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I like Rory and the soccer doctor.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I do too.
I like them together Because Ithink that he's healing
something in Rory and allowingRory to actually have a real
relationship, and I think thatthey should run off into the
sunset.
He does not need to be inseason two, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay so, alex, how do you think about?
Okay, so the girl that Terrenceis initially kind of casually
dating, that kind of tries tohold him into a relationship
because I feel like she does,they're very friends with
benefits, kind of thing juststarting out, and then she
declares them with HR withouttelling him.
She says that they didn'tdefine the relationship but then
she kind of keeps pushing todefine it and then he eventually
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realizes, okay, she's moreserious than I am and he's
starting to really come to termswith his feelings for Mel and
so he pulls out of it that girlwhich I don't you know, her and
Alex might actually work.
She does have a big, strongpersonality.
She seems nice, you know,attractive, her and Alex
actually might be a better fit.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, Like he really needs somebody who's more bland,
more plain, who kind of justwants to be in a love life with
him, who wants to be in arelationship.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I actually think, yeah, those two actually who
kind of just wants to be in alove life with him, who just
wants to be in a relationshipand is just really into being in
a relationship.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I actually think, yeah, those two.
Actually I can see that Right.
Yeah, I don't think thatMelissa is right for him Now.
Do I think that she should havebroken up with him the way that
she did?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
At that moment.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Right, that wasn't necessarily cruel the way that
she broke up with him, that shebroke up with him, the reason
why she broke up with him, allof those things were wrong.
But just because that shehandled it in the wrong way
doesn't mean that they weresupposed to be together, because
I don't think that they wereNot.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
If she is to become the person she says she wants to
be, I think if they had notmissed that moment, that period,
I can see them having a lastingrelationship, but I think she
would have been a very differentperson.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
She would have, she really would be working at the
airport forever in that same jobprobably you know what I mean
Like she wouldn't have grown,she wouldn't have developed the
community which is some people'slife I don't know if that's you
know.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's a different life .
I'm not going to say thatthat's a wrong life, but it's a
different choice.
I do like this life that she'sbuilding better for her.
But you know, I just think herlife would look really
differently if she had chosenthat.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I agree.
The Melissa that exists todaycould not be in a relationship
with.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Alex, no, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Okay, do you know what we did not discuss?
What didn't we talk about?
We did not discuss thebrother-sister conversation at
the bar.
Oh, I think that warrants adiscussion, okay.
So to backtrack on Thanksgiving, you find out that, well,
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actually before Thanksgiving, tobacktrack on Thanksgiving, you
find out that, well, actuallybefore Thanksgiving, to
backtrack a little bit more,melissa finds out that her
brother is on dating apps andhe's married.
So that's a big no, no.
And so you find out that shestarts catfishing him and on
Thanksgiving she sets up ameetup and meets him first of
all, catfishing.
Your brother is insane, yeah,well, no, okay not her brother,
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
She sets up a meetup and meets him First of all,
catfishing.
Your brother is insane, yeah,well, no, okay, not her brother,
I don't care.
And you're cheating, so I don'tfeel anything for you.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I don't know.
So, like you got enough goingon, do you really have time for
catfishing, your brother?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
The catfishing did not bother me.
The catfishing her brother didnot bother me.
I, the catfish thing did notbother me.
The catfish and her brother didnot bother me.
I think the only thing is liketaking his Social Security
number.
That's the thing that botheredme.
But her catfish and her cheatnet brother I don't care.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So she confronts him about cheating on his wife at
the bar and I loved that becauseyou know what a lot of times in
families you will know that,like, your family members are
behaving badly and poorly andyou will either not say anything
, it's like, oh, it's none of mybusiness, or like, in spite of
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it, you'll still see peoplesupport their family members,
like how many moms do you knowwho support their toxic sons who
are cheating on their wives andgirlfriends and will cover for
them and things like that.
And so for her to confront him,I thought it was really great.
How did you feel about theBlack love conversation?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Girl, I was so annoyed with him.
I was so annoyed with himBecause I don't like that and I
feel like that.
I'm going to say this I feellike I see this in real life
with men, black men, who marryWhite women but want to cheat
with Black women.
So that's off the top.
That's going to piss me offBecause, like you made the
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choice, stick with your choice,right, I don't agree with
cheating anyway, but don't actlike something.
You were wronged out of thisBlack love experience that you
opted out of and to me he's likeI love my wife, I love her so
much.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
But it's like he was basically you're at an event and
you have FOMO because there'sall these.
They let like create a specialplace for black couples to dance
.
You're like, oh no, I'll neverhave black love and that leads
me to going create a specialplace for Black couples to dance
, you're like, oh no, I'll neverhave Black love.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, and that leads me to going as far as to
cheating on your like, startingthis whole series of cheating
with Black women on your wifethat you are using to get this
Black experience again that youchose not to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, like you did not want Black love and that is
fine.
You got Sarah love.
Enjoy your Sarah love.
Enjoy your Sarah love.
Why are you like you said?
You're now like using andabusing Black women to try to
get some little high that youfeel like you're missing out on,
Especially because his wife isreally good to him.
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She is Like he is very caringand very understanding.
She, you know, is trying goodto him.
She is, he is very caring andvery understanding.
She is trying to help him withhis mental health and help him
with the load that he says hehas on him.
She's a good, supportive wife.
She doesn't deserve that.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
He's also usury to her.
He treats women almost like anobject.
This is a need that I need tofill this Black experience.
I'm just going to take thesesingle Black women that are
dating that you know want arelationship, and just insert
myself in their life so I get myneeds met, knowing that I could
never meet theirs.
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And then you got your wife athome, who is raising your
children, doing the things thatyou all agreed to, right, and
you're not being a full partnerto her.
Even outside of the cheating,you're not being a full partner
to her.
She's like just this objectthat you planted in.
This is the wife, this is whatit looks like, but you're not
really communicating with her,you're not opening up to her,
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you're not letting her into yourwhole separate life outside of
her.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You're also trying to have another baby.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Exactly While you know that you're unhappy.
So usury in nature to everyone.
So to me, men like this.
Women are objects, so I putSarah in my life to fulfill this
object role of a wife.
And now these Black women.
Now that I want to experienceBlack love, these Black women,
I'm just going to date them andget this experience that I need
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to be met.
But you're not treating anybodyin here like they're a full
person.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, so even though I have empathy for certain
aspects of his life like he'salso garbage and I was like
trying to justify the cheatingwas crazy to me right because
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like again you're complainingabout normal real world, people.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You know stuff right, like you mean, like you doing,
um, yeah, like you're justyou're.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's literally what marriage is right.
Like you're working, she staysat home.
You're just that's literally.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What marriage is Right?
You're working, she stays athome.
What's your issue?
You seem like apparently, youcan afford it, so why?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
are you mad?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yes, I don't get it.
And then if that's no longerworking for you, if it's too
much and you need her to go backto work, have a conversation
with her.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Right, because the kids are in school so she can
get a little PTJ Right.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Have a conversation with her.
At least tell her what in theworld you're brooding over.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I honestly don't even think that it's her.
I think that it's the momputting all that pressure on him
and, being his second wife,instead of putting boundaries in
with his mom, he'd rather takeit out on his wife.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Which is not fair to Sarah.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Sarah don't deserve that Sarah don't deserve that.
The Black woman that he's usingdon't deserve that.
They deserve a fair chance atan actual relationship and I
just I feel nothing for her.
I think that's the other part,like I don't feel bad, like with
Melissa catfishing him, becauseI'm like she's on the app for
single people doing what singlepeople do.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
It's not like just he shouldn't be up there, he
shouldn't be up there, but justlike having those Flirty
conversations with your brotherIs crazy.
It's not like she got one ofher friends To catfish her
brother, she is doing it herselfand that Is wild to me.
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That's wild.
So I Want to make sure that wetalk about her travel journey
before the show ends, becauseonce again I started the show
thinking the show was all abouther traveling and she does not
get on a plane until I think thelast episode she does Like on a
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plane until I think the lastepisode, she does.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Like yeah, dang, it's the buildup to the travel.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I know, but once again, this is just.
It just wasn't what I thoughtthe show was about.
Did I say she was traveling onthe show?
I mean we were talking about,like, when we were discussing
the show, you said, well, whatdo you in the show I mean we
were talking about?
Like when we were discussingthe show, you said, well, what
do you think the show is about?
I'm like I think it's about alady who's like never traveled
before and scared, and like shelike takes a leap or something
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and starts traveling.
You're like, yeah, yeah, that'sabout right, that is not what
this show is about.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I'm sorry, I'd be afraid.
I'm like I don't want to ruinthe purpose.
My bad, I didn't mean tomislead you, but she finally,
you have more empathy for thebrother than I do.
I just don't feel like he'sdoing as much as he thinks he's
doing.
You know, and again, again,like he's not entirely wrong,
(38:34):
melissa does need to get hershit together and she and
there's some of her, a part ofher that is like kind of
refusing to get her shittogether, um, but I also feel
like he exasperates, like hemakes it a much bigger deal than
it actually is mm-hmm, yeah, Imean, I do think that he thinks
that he's Superman, but he'sdefinitely Clark Kent.
(38:55):
Is he even Clark Kent?
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
So that's Melissa's airport journey.
Okay, one of the things that Iwas very happy about was that
she decided not to go to Hawaii.
Was that she decided Not to goto Hawaii Because the Her plan
To go to Alex's wedding Was dumb?
It was terrible?
(39:21):
No, like, here's the thing yourfeelings are your feelings and
you are entitled to yourfeelings, but what you don't get
to do Is destroy somebody'sspecial day.
No, because you don't havefeelings, but what you don't get
to do is destroy somebody'sspecial day.
Because you have feelings, butalso you see that man every
single day, you look him in theface.
You fly all the way to Hawaiito bust up my wedding.
(39:46):
I don't know that you'releaving.
I don't know that you'releaving Hawaii unless you're in
a box.
It was incredibly selfish,incredibly self-centered, and it
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was, and I it.
To me it.
It did not make sense for whomelissa is, because one of the
issues that she's always had islike oh, I don't want to take up
space, I don't want to take upspace, I don't want to take up
space.
And so, once you decide, I'mgoing to put myself first.
You're putting yourself firstis ruining somebody else's
wedding.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, I think that that part is always insane.
But again, and I hate that tripI'm glad they didn't actually
do it like they alluded to it.
They didn't actually do itbecause I hate the breaking up
wedding thing.
That's my least favoriteepisode in a different world.
What the way everybody's likeoh my god, that robot.
Though it's so romantic, I'mlike I get pissed off every time
(40:43):
and I, lightweight, feel likeshe should have married byron
and I'm gonna move on.
But I'm sorry we're going back,but I hate that trope.
I'm glad they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
So I was terrified that she was, and also I never
understood why she planned ongoing to the wedding either.
Her reasonings did not makesense.
She's like well, I want to putmy toes in the sand.
Do you know how many places youcan put your toes?
That points to her plan.
With these feelings, I want toput my toes in the sand.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Do you know how many places you can put your toes?
That points to her playing withthese feelings.
You know what I mean.
Because she wants to go to thewedding.
She's still kind of dealing,because she's dealing with her
feelings with Alex, but thenevery time anybody asks her
she's like oh no, it's not abouthim.
You going to somebody's weddingis not about them.
You know what I mean, becausethere's nothing wrong with you
going to somebody's wedding forthem.
That's the whole thing.
That's what it is.
But she makes a big deal everysingle time.
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Oh no, it's not about him.
It's about me wanting to travel.
Oh no, it's about me needing avacation.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm like you're still playing games.
She could have went to theBahamas, jamaica, anywhere.
It would have been a shorterflight for your first flight.
She could have went to Hiltonhey, you want to put your feet
in some sand?
Like that's the thing I did notunderstand.
Like I was excited that, okay,she's finally going to fly, but
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when I tell you I would havebeen turning up on somebody's
island and it wouldn't have beenMaui.
Girl but it would not have beenHawaii.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Not not not.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Girl, but it would not have been Hawaii.
No, no, no, I would have beenin Miami.
I would have been in Jamaica.
Most likely I would have beenin St Thomas, st Kitts.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I would be turning up , but that would be St Kitts
Nevis Girl.
There's so many options.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Right, that's what I'm saying.
Why are you going to Hawaii?
Why?
Like it was like punishing, itwas almost like she was
punishing herself.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
It was weird, it was weird.
It was a real weird energyaround that.
And again, the dismissal ofgoing to somebody's wedding for
them, which is weird Because,again, if you were over him it
wouldn't be a deal to say yeah,I'm going to go support Alex.
This is my friend.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I just I didn't think that she was ever going to make
it to that wedding.
Even if she would have been tothe wedding, I didn't think she
was going to make it to thewedding.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, I'm glad she didn't, though.
No, you don't need to be atsomebody else's and it's weird.
I don't like the whole thing.
Why would you invite exes toweddings anyway?
I don't get why people do thatin the first place.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
I also did not understand why he invited her.
I don't understand why he senther the invitation on her
birthday, unless he was tryingto hurt her or get a rise out of
her to see where her head wasat.
You cannot convince me it isanything else, because he tries
(43:34):
to make this thing.
It's like, oh, we're friendssince we've broken up.
But when she calls him on thephone after he gives her the
recommendation, he's like oh mygod, I thought you lost my phone
number because you never calledme, which also that
conversation on the phone wasinappropriate.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Oh, so inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Very inappropriate.
He was calling her Miss Jacksonand all of that stuff.
But this is the thing it's likethey are not friends, they are
exes, and it's very clear thatthey are exes.
So I don't understand why heinvited her and then to not tell
his fiance who she was, youknow until way later.
(44:12):
Garbage, garbage, garbage,garbage.
But I was.
So instead of going to Hawaii,she ends up going like on a kind
of like an airport hopping tour.
She goes to Charlotte, fromCharlotte, she goes to Chicago
and she has a time in Chicago.
She like sees the sights, shegoes and she visits, like
(44:37):
Elise's favorite restaurant andshe ends up meeting someone who
actually knew Elise.
Did you think that it was weirdthat she confessed the credit
card?
Speaker 2 (44:45):
to him yes, I thought that was so weird.
I was like why did you feellike you needed to confess that?
You didn't need to confess that?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
You don't know this man from Adam, and he knows
Elise and loved her.
Why would you tell this manfrom Adam why?
And he knows Elise and lovedher?
Why would you tell this manthat you stole her credit card
and took yourself on a lavishvacation?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Girl, it was so weird , you don't?
Yeah, it was so weird.
Why should she get that all thetime?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I'm telling you, Melissa makes decisions that I
do not understand.
Even at that point in the showwhere she's experienced so much
growth, she still will come outand do some wild stuff where I'm
like, girl, I'm rooting for you.
We are friends in my head, butsome of the stuff you do you
(45:33):
can't make it to the innersanctum.
You're going to have to be onthe outside because you are just
unpredictable.
You are wild.
She do be wilder.
She did the penguin swim orpenguin dive.
She jumps into the water, shedoes a cold plunge.
(45:54):
I don't know, I was thinking,man, maybe before I die, at
least once, I just think it waslike that's like a once in a
lifetime experience okay, um, Idon't see a point in doing that,
but if you do it, I'll do itwith you yeah, I just think like
it's sometimes you do stuff forthe plot.
you just do stuff just so youcan always say that you did.
(46:16):
And I'm like I think honey, Ithink honey, we do that before I
die, so we'll make a plan.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Hey, I'm down like four flight pass.
You know I love Chicago.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Right.
So the beautiful thing abouther trip is that she's like
posting it on social media,sending text messages to her
friends.
I love to see her friends'reactions.
Yes, everyone is like seeingher and they're so happy for her
, even her mom.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Her mom's reaction is oh, I guess I'm not going to
get my Hawaiian coffee, but youknow her mom is a big hater
everybody else seems to bereally, really, really excited
her least favorite person wasstill excited and he tries to
talk her out of going to thewedding which I think was the
right thing in that moment yes,I do think that the best advice
(47:04):
and the only good advice he'sever given her was yes, we all
want you to take a flight, butit does not have to be this one.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And so, yes, I think in that moment he was right.
But so was a broken clock twicea day.
So Roy has one hater, it's me.
If he has no hater, it's RIP me.
So she ends up having, likethis beautiful and you see
everybody so excited, you knowabout her, except for her mom.
(47:34):
And so she heads back home andshe, like, on the way on her
trip home, she meets someone whoworks her same position at a
different airport and she tellsher that she met somebody on the
trip and the lady asks who itwas and she says I met me.
Absolutely.
How did that moment make youfeel?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Oh, I love that moment.
I love that whole interactionbetween the two of them and her
again like, okay, she's receivedso much from her community and
she pours out into someone whoneeds a little bit of extra
confidence, you know, to take itto the next step, her
acknowledging that she metherself but she's not all the
way there yet, because none ofus ever are.
I love that.
I love everything about that.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
One of the things that she's been saying
throughout the show is no oneknows the real me.
No one knows the real me andhow she doesn't feel seen, and
so it's like for her to say Imet me and I'm like, okay, now
at least you know, Know youright, and maybe that answers
your earlier question as to whynobody knows the real her.
Because she didn't know, yeah,and maybe that answers your
earlier question as to whynobody knows the real her,
because she didn't know, yeah,and so that moment was really
(48:42):
beautiful, it was reallytouching, and now I want to talk
about the last crazy thing thatshe does.
Okay, once again it's anotherMelissa.
What are you doing?
Once again, it's anotherMelissa.
What are you doing?
Melissa decides to leave herbrother a voicemail because
she's very excited that she getsher.
(49:03):
She gets a settlement from thefurniture company that you know
injures her, and so she getsseventeen thousand dollars,
which I don't think is enoughmoney.
But that's neither here northere.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
She was excited about it, but I'm like I'm gonna need
a zero One more at least onemore zero.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
It doesn't even cover her medical bills, but anyway
she's so excited.
She calls her brother and sheleaves him a voicemail saying
hey, like I got some money fromthe furniture company and so now
I can take care of myself,which also $17,000 is not enough
money to take care of yourself.
But if you feel like it, hey,she's like, I'm no longer one of
your kids.
(49:38):
And then she says you won'thave a third child unless you
keep cheating on your wife.
Girl, why would you do that?
That don't matter.
It says I love you.
He listens to the voicemail infront of his wife and children
Playing it to the car, whichalso is a weird choice.
(50:00):
It is a weird choice when youknow you're cheating.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
You know what I mean.
Like you think you would justbe a little bit more cautious
about your phone especiallybecause you know your sister
knows you're cheating, but alsowhy.
Melissa strikes me hard as thedo not put on speaker friend.
She as the do not put onspeaker friend.
She's a do not put on speakerfriend Like you should know that
.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Definitely.
But I was like, why would youleave that?
Why would you do that?
Because even if he did not playit on speakerphone, what if the
wife was checking his voicemailfor whatever reason?
Mm-hmm, I don't understand.
Like I once again, it was crazy.
Like, yeah, I love you and I'mtrying to be your friend because
(50:48):
the choices you make make it sohard.
Yeah, that was a rough one.
That was a rough one.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Um, that was crazy work, and but that's also a
reason why I think the brotheris the one who turned her in.
Yeah, that was a rough one,that was a rough one, that was
crazy work, but that's also thereason why I think the brother
is the one who turned her in.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
So I was going to talk about the ending.
So the ending of season one.
Melissa gets off of theairplane and Terrence is there
to meet her and they were justabout to have this beautiful hug
.
Right before they can hug eachother, she's tackled by security
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, placed in the handcuffs, andshe's charged for like credit
card fraud and grand larceny andidentity theft and forgery, all
of those things because shestole Elise's credit card and so
I had asked you earlier who didyou think snitched on her?
and you said you think it washer brother.
So I'm like, well, maybe it wasthe man at the restaurant, even
though he said that he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Oh, he would like to call the police though no, he's
not that kind of old person thatwould.
He's not like.
He's the he.
I don't think, even if shehadn't asked him, I still don't
think that she, he, would havereally called the police.
I think he was just, you know,pushing a little back a little
bit.
I think it was the brotherbecause it was credit card fraud
and identity theft.
She also stole his identity andshe also told the brother that
she stole Elisa's credit card.
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So he knew all of that, and hedoes like to see her fail.
He does.
I think the brother has more ofa motivation than the guy at
the thing at the diner, becausewhat is he going to get out of
it?
At least he ain't got no kids,at least he ain't got no family.
(52:23):
Nobody's going to have to paythat bill.
You know, I don't think he didit, I think it's the brother.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
So do you think he told the police in retaliation
for the voicemail that she left?
Now knowing that when she forthe voicemail that she left?
Now knowing that when she leftthis voicemail she was not
talking about his cheating, shewasn't trying to be malicious,
no, she was actually trying tobe lighthearted and funny.
You know what I mean?
Yes, it was very careless.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
It's very careless.
The brother's a hater.
He says he wants her to come up, but I don't feel it doesn't
feel genuine to me from him.
I think he enjoys seeing herbeing a failure like.
There are certain situations,like if he's trying to get his
identity back you know what Imean the fact that she stole it.
There are certain situationswhere, like your, your insurance
company or the thing won'tunless you prosecute, like if
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you say I'm not going toprosecute this person, they
won't, you know, go into therecovery.
But I feel like if that was thesituation, he would have
prepared her for that but here'sthe thing.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
There's no need to go into recovery.
She's not taking money.
He's just a guarantor on herloan.
Now it may affect his credit.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
It affects the credit , whether or not he can get
another loan.
We don't know what he's tryingto do, but either way, I'm
saying the only way that it'slegitimate.
He had no choice but to do it.
To me would have been that kindof situation that I just
described.
That is not going on and youwould have prepared somebody for
that.
Like hey, they're saying Ican't get my identity back.
I got to get my identity backfor this reason and I can't
listen.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
So it feels more malicious than I think it was,
which is terrible because he wasthe one that was cheating and
that witness was not like madewith malicious intent, and why
would you want your sibling togo to jail?
Speaker 2 (54:07):
both both mel and her brother have an issue with
accountability.
Both of them talk abouteverything like it just happens
to them and like they're notactive participants in their
life.
The same thing like when hetalks about the cheating.
It was like well, I got so muchpressure on me, what am I
supposed to do?
I knew it's not going to fix it, but you're choosing to cheat
anyway.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
You know like so yeah , no, he doesn't really take any
accountability for the cheating.
So here's the thing, although Iwas super upset to see Mel get
arrested and in handcuffs likedoes she deserve it because she
did steal that woman's creditcard?
Speaker 2 (54:46):
I don't want to see her go to jail.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I just really don't.
But like she did a crime, so isgoing to jail part of her
growth arc.
I don't know crime, so is goingto jail part of her growth arc?
Speaker 2 (55:02):
I don't know, I don't want her to go to jail.
We need a season two.
If she in jail, she can't be injail all season two.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
It'd be a very interesting season.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, so that was literallylike her getting arrested was
literally like the last momentof the last episode.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
So let's talk season two and questions that we hope
get answered okay I want to knowmore backstory on the father
and what he did to be such aterrible person.
Um, that's, that's one of themain yeah, just always context.
I would also want to dive moreinto some of the background
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characters, which I thinkusually happens in season two
anyway, and, of course, I wantto know if she's going to go to
jail.
What's going to happen to herafter she gets arrested?
Speaker 1 (55:51):
I want to know if Alex married that girl.
I'm not sure he did.
Oh, he definitely did.
I don't know.
I don't know that he did.
I don't know that he did.
He married her and I hope thathe didn't, honestly because she
deserves better For her sake.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
I hope he didn't, but like and it's so much you got
all the family in Hawaii allthat Like he did it, and she
probably did it too.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
I don't know if they're going to stay together,
though I also want to knowwhat's going to happen with
Brian and Sarah.
Is she going to leave himbecause she found out that he's
cheating?
Is she pregnant already?
Speaker 2 (56:26):
I hope she's not pregnant already.
Is she going to leave him?
No, no question to be answered,but I don't think she's going
to leave him.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
And so, in order to work at the airport, you have to
have security clearance.
So how is getting arrested?
I think you have to have acertain level of security
clearance, right?
You usually have to run abackground check.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
They definitely have to do a background check.
I don't know.
I would have thought that wouldhave been more like TSA
specific, like those type ofjobs.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
But who knows?
I wonder if her gettingarrested is going to derail her
upward trajectory.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Oh goodness, Well, I mean it's got to in some way.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
How that looks, how that plays out, yeah, I wonder
if they're going to explore herreconciling with rory um next
year.
I personally don't need it andI hope that her reconciling with
rory does not stop her fromcontinuing to build in her
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community?
Speaker 2 (57:35):
I don't think so either, I don't think it would,
but like, yeah, I definitelywant to see where.
Where does, where does theirrelationship go from here, her
and roy?
Speaker 1 (57:42):
okay, don't have any other things.
Do you have any unansweredquestions?
I think that's it.
I think we kind of yeah.
So yeah, this was a oh, it wasa great show.
I know I uh had my reservationsin the beginning because it was
not what I expected, um, butI'm I'm actually really grateful
(58:05):
that I watched it.
I felt like they'd uh broughtsome things to the surface that
I think I'm going to talk to mytherapist about, which is that,
like it's a good thing, you knowI think that it's important, it
I'm like, oh okay, you knowwhat, I have some, some things I
need to process out, so that'sinteresting.
(58:26):
but it was an enjoyable ride andI did not know, um, at the time
that I finished watching it,that there was going to be a
season two.
So I was like a littleheartbroken, I'm like I need
closure.
Is she going to be a season two?
So I was like a littleheartbroken, I'm like I need
closure.
Is she going to get withTerrence?
Did Alex marry that woman?
What's going to happen withBrian and Sarah?
So now I have an opportunity tofind out.
That's very, very exciting forme, absolutely.
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So, guys, I hope you enjoyedthis series and look forward.
Hi guys, welcome back to next episode with Nick and
Jess and today is our finalepisode on how to die alone and
I'm really excited because we'regoing to be talking about,
we're going to start theconversation with her romantic
journey on the show, and so I'mreally really excited about that
(00:22):
.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, so romantic journey.
So are really excited aboutthat.
Yes, okay, all right, soromantic journey.
So are we starting with Alex?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes, I think we should go in chronological order
.
Okay, so she meets Alex whenshe starts working at the
airport.
He's her manager.
Well, not when she startsworking at the airport, when she
moves to his department.
When she moves to his departmentwhen she moves to his
department and so she's hismanager and they were dating and
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it was like pretty hot andheavy.
And then, like three months in,he tells her that he loves her
and she freaks out yeah, shefreaks out in a way that I had
never seen someone freak outbefore and she essentially tells
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him that she doesn't want to bein a relationship with him and
that she doesn't have anyfeelings for him and that she
only is like dating him becausehe'll touch her.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That was the creepiest statement I've ever
heard.
I mean, even if you believethat, you said that out loud.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I was like what.
And so after that congress, ofcourse they break up.
And after that conversationshe's talking to rory and she's
telling him oh, it wasexhausting being that person
with him and in two months hewould find out the real me and
(01:48):
he was going to break up with meanyway, so it was better to do
it now.
That is some of the crazieststuff I haven't heard.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It is, it is.
I mean, it's hard to imaginesomebody's self-esteem that low,
but that's all I hear when whatshe says those words Like you
think nothing of yourself.
You don't think you deserveanything, Because this man is
very clearly enamored with you.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
From the first time he saw her and I'm like, yeah,
it was very unprofessional, butit was very clear from the first
time he saw her that he waslike yeah, I'm about that.
It was more than just physical.
He was physically attracted toher, but it was more than just
physical.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I think that they have a thing they get along
really well, they make sensetogether.
At that first time when theygot together you know what I
mean they both seem.
The whole exhausting thing is,I think, her dealing with her
negative thoughts Because, likethey did seem to get each other
and work well together andthere's a natural rhythm to them
(02:57):
.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
My question is what did not when?
What did Rory not say Babe,maybe you should see a therapist
.
He grew up in a rich whiteworld.
I know he knows about therapy,mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think part of that, his response to her and I guess
why I'm not so hard on him forhis response is because I think
it's how she presented it.
You know, like she almostpresented it like oh, he
couldn't possibly love me, butlike I don't know that and I do
think like if she had beentalking to a woman, a woman
would have heard it and would belike that's low self-esteem.
I'm not saying like there'ssomething wrong with him, but he
(03:30):
took it as like oh, he's,there's something wrong with him
to where he can't fully see itthe way he responded to it.
But again, I think that's howshe's presented it.
She's presented it.
I don't even want to agreebecause y'all like Roy, but I
think a lot of that is how shetalked about that breakup.
(03:51):
It's weird, but her whole issueand reason for breaking up was
strange.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
it didn't it didn't, and so now they've broken up,
and now two years have passedand she finds out on her
birthday which I feel like wasshady that he is getting married
on New Year's, which I don'tknow what time zone Hawaii is in
(04:22):
, because that was kind ofconfusing.
They say he was getting marriedon New Year's Day, but on New
Year's Eve the groom was in NewYork.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
She flies out the next morning and says the
wedding is tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, no, that definitely was a plot hole.
Because I was like y'all gottwo or three days in between New
Year's Eve and New Year's Day,even with like, so Hawaii, yes,
is in a different time zone.
It's still a 12-hour flight too.
That's the other thing thatthey you know, they said 12-hour
flight.
I don't know how far it isbetween us, but they said in the
show it's a 12-hour flight.
(05:00):
I'm like none of this makessense.
Like even with him purposelymissing his flight, which he
does later on I'm like you'resupposed to get married tomorrow
.
You won't get there after thewedding.
That doesn't make sense.
So I think that was yeah.
I think that was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Okay, okay, I was like this is so confusing.
And so she, she.
You can tell as soon as shegets the invitation to Alex's
wedding that she's not over him.
Which is interesting becauseyou broke up with him.
So it's like, what did youexpect him to do?
(05:38):
Because she said oh, I thoughthe would have a rebound, I
didn't think he would getmarried.
It's been two years.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's been two years.
It's been two years.
And the other thing is like shemade it like a.
She made it like oh see, justlike I thought he would find
something else.
Of course he would find someoneelse when you left him, but
you're making this like.
You're making it seem like thiswas that you were right, when
it was not.
You created the situation.
Absolutely, I feel so, I feellike oh, I'm sorry, New York is
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five hours ahead of Hawaii.
I still don't feel like thatfixes all the timeline plot
holes, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
That makes it worse.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, so like no, it doesn't make it worse.
Okay, so, right now it is, whattime for you?
3, 2.40, something 2.50, 2.55.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
okay, so right now, it is what time for you?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
3, 2, 40 something, 2 , 55 so it's 9 55 in Hawaii, 9,
55 am Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't know if that makes it better or worse?
Okay, it does.
It doesn't explain it, butactually doesn't make it worse.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Okay, explain right, no, okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So I think that that was not explained, right?
No, okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
So I think that that was reallyunfair of her to say, oh you
know what, yeah, I was right andoh you know what.
Like this, the lady that he'swith makes more sense because he
was very clearly into you andnever gave you any indication
that he was not.
(07:04):
Also, it was only three months.
Man like you are still piningover somebody.
You left that.
You only went for three months,girl, mm-hmm, you know, like
that's crazy it is crazy, but healso never stops flirting with
her.
I was gonna say, literally, Iwas about to say okay, I was
(07:25):
about to say okay, I'vediscussed all the ways in which
she well, not all the ways, I'mgoing to get back to another way
in which she was trifling whenit comes to Alex.
But let's talk about Alex.
Yes, every chance he gets, heflirts with her and it's not
here's the thing.
It's not overly overt, but he,like you, can tell they had,
(07:50):
like inside jokes and, like yousaid, there was a rhythm on how
they talk to each other and Ifeel like he exploits that
intimacy that they had and whenhe talks to her, I feel like he
does things to trigger thatintimacy which I would not have
an issue with, except for thefact that you're in a new
(08:10):
relationship you have a wholegirlfriend you have a whole
fiance oh yeah, that's
Speaker 2 (08:16):
true, you have a whole fiance there's a wedding
planned, but people boughttickets to Hawaii right, and so
it's like you are beingincredibly inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
you are being incredibly inappropriate.
I do think he's inappropriate.
You are not ready to bemarrying somebody else.
And I'm not saying that becauseI feel like he should have been
sitting and waiting on Melissato get her stuff together,
because I don't think he should,but I think he never dealt with
(08:45):
that situation.
Neither one of them is over eachother but I and I'm like so why
are you getting?
Why are you getting married toa woman who you the things that
he complains about from hisfiancee?
Lets me know that you justmarried someone who would marry
(09:06):
you and not someone that you'reactually compatible with,
because she has strongfriendships with her girlfriends
and they go out and they haveadventures and they do stuff and
it bothers him.
Yeah, she's not me, she's notmeek, she's not timid.
(09:26):
He doesn't like that about herand I'm like but that's who she
is.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, because I don't know how much he really likes
her.
I think she seems like outsideof her trying to size up Melissa
that one time she's probably anice, good person.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Here's the thing what she did with Melissa.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
The reason why you need to is in your man.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yes, but here's the thing Never forget she found out
about Melissa.
She had just found out thatMelissa even existed.
Then Melissa had spilled to thebride's best friend, not
knowing that she was in lovewith her ex who works with her.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
And all that being true, your fiance invited his ex
to the wedding and didn't tellyou it was his ex you know what
I mean.
All of that can be true,because Melissa could be
trifling and really trying towhich I guess she kind of is
trying to get back at him.
The person you still need todeal with is the one that you
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are attached to.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Oh, a thousand percent.
But I understand her becauseshe just like, let me get, let's
just get this out the way.
You just told my best friendthat you are in love with an ex
that you work with Is it my man?
And Melissa's like no, she waslike, okay, cool, you know what
I mean.
Like she wasn't overly nastywith her.
(10:58):
She was very straightforward,you know what.
And I'm like you know what,just for my peace of mind.
I don't have an issue becauseyou guess what.
You're right there, I'm righthere, let's have a quick
conversation.
She wasn't like.
You know what I'm saying.
that's why you're nasty, but I'mjust like, but very clearly you
and Alex need to be having someconversations they do, oh no,
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they absolutely do because, likeI said, alex complains about
who she is to Melissa and it'sjust a core of who she is.
She is a Right.
She's just like a fun, loving,energetic, she has friends and
if you think about how Melissais when they are together,
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that's not the opposite.
That's not.
It's the opposite.
Melissa did not have a lot offriends.
She pretty much only had Rory.
She was not even, she didn't goanywhere, she didn't do
anything and that is the two ofthem right and that's what he.
He likes that kind of woman.
So now he has somebody.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I don't think.
That's why I don't want them toend up together either.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's what I said remember I told you off camera.
I said they're not compatible.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
Well, I think they could have.
It would have probably been,you know honestly now, like it
would have been unhealthy.
I don't know how much growthshe would have been done in that
relationship.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Exactly would have been done in that relationship.
Exactly.
They are not for who she wantsto be, because at the time when
they are together, initially,the person she is is not the
person she wants to be.
The person that she wants to beis not compatible with alex.
Alex is to be.
You know how they have, likethose trash cans, those trash
(12:42):
bags that are like floralscented or minty scented to hide
the smell of the garbage.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
He's a bag of that.
It smells nice, you know what Imean, but he's actually garbage
.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
He is Because you've proposed to this woman the
entire time, though you're beingoverly familiar with your ex
who you work with every dayyou're flirting with her, and
then so to fast forward to theend of the show, he's supposed
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to get on the plane to go toHawaii for his wedding and he
intentionally misses his wife.
Now what he tells Melissa isthat he talks about how the wife
is flying out early so her andher girlfriends can have one
last girl trip before thewedding.
(13:48):
And he's like, oh, with hercousins, her cousins.
And he's like, I mean, I knowit's small but it's a problem,
you missed your flight, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, no, no, no.
You missed your flight, whichalso, to me, sets up with them.
So, like you got this whole bigwedding planned in Hawaii, why
aren't you there early to helpset anything up?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Right, I did not understand that either.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Instead, you're playing with your old girlfriend
over ice, Like and I'll tellyou if I found that out and I
don't know that she will everfind that out, but if I find
that out we're gonna have issuesand complications here.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Okay, so let's set the scene the thai restaurant
that he and melissa bothfrequent often.
Melissa um introduced him tothe restaurant, but it's a place
that they frequent often.
He's getting food.
Melissa's already there At thispoint in the story.
(14:51):
Melissa has decided that she'sgoing to confess her feelings to
Alex and she's going to do itat his wedding, which I have a
huge problem with, but we canaddress it after this.
So they meet after they end uprunning into each other at the
restaurant and they then havethe most intimate date ever.
(15:15):
Let's just call it what it is.
They're eating together.
He's talking to her about hisproblems and all the things that
his wife, that his future wife,does that he doesn't like.
They go shopping.
They're like two kids in acandy store, I don't know, but
they're just having so much fun.
(15:36):
They go ice skating without iceskates.
I don't know how they did that,but they did.
They were just all of theselonging looks, long stares, but
they did Like.
There were just all of theselike longing looks, long stares
and close touches, and I feellike Melissa was reading the
signals correctly.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
She was, she was, she was.
That's the part where I'm likeyou, gonna pretend like you have
not been flirting with thisgirl all night and you didn't
bring up the fact that you allbroke her bed and to act all
flabbergasted when she kissedyou.
When she kissed you, you wasdropping hints like bombs.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
you was, you know when she kissed him he
absolutely freaked out as if itcame out of nowhere.
But then after that says oh youknow what, if you want to be
with me, then tell me that youlove me.
(16:35):
And I'm like she does, shecan't and I'm like, wait a
minute.
If she would have told you thatshe loved you, were you going
to call?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
her, because your fiancee already over there and
your family.
The only person is not at yourwedding is you.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Right, and that's why I said he's a bag of garbage
that smells like Febreze, buthe's ultimately a bag of garbage
that smells like Febreze, buthe's ultimately a bag of garbage
.
Now I would also like to talkabout Melissa.
In this moment is also a bag ofgarbage.
The reason why is you professedyour love for this man and your
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plan was to do it at hiswedding, which, if her cousins
would have beat your behind, Iwould not have even felt bad for
you?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I would not have felt bad for you.
I mean, what's what theysupposed to do but beat you?
You know what?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
and so she, in that moment, she's good, she's kissed
him, she's confessed that shestill has feelings for him, and
he looks her dead in the faceand says, okay, well, do you
love me?
And then she's like, oh, um, Ican't say that.
What were you doing when youwere sussing out your feelings
and all of these longings andsleepless nights because you
(17:56):
can't stop thinking about him?
You didn't think about oh well,last time he told me he loved
me and that was a problem.
You didn't think about.
Like, maybe I need to figureout how I actually feel about
him.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Because, like at this point, like it's probably more
comfortable, she's in love withthe idea of him.
You know what I mean.
Like she spent three yearsreminiscing over those three
months and then having thesemoments where they kind of flirt
with each other in the office.
He's become an idea, the.
And then having these momentswhere they kind of flirt with
each other in the office, he'sbecome an idea, the.
Confronting the reality of himis where she still has a problem
.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And I know you know, in an earlier episode we talked
about how healing is not linear,but that situation is.
I know we've been using thisword a lot, but it is what it is
.
It's very toxic Because they'restuck in this weird like loop.
Right, oh, I want to be withyou.
(18:51):
When you don't want to be withme, I want to, you know, and
back and forth, and back andforward, Both of you are stuck
in this three months, likeneither of you have let go of
that three-month period, right.
But meanwhile he's pulledanother person in and she is
playing games, because it's likeyou're so obsessed with him but
(19:15):
you also don't know if you lovehim.
Neither one of them need to bein a relationship at this time
with anybody.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And I do think it's more of an obsession.
Alice is more of an obsessionthan love.
She is yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Because she sees the Febreze garbage bag and not the
garbage inside.
Oh my God.
Because I want to compare himwith Terrence, and so I love
Terrence.
Although I saw it in the firstepisode, the first interaction,
I said, oh my god, he likes her,like they were talking.
(19:59):
You see him like scoot closerto her and I'm like, oh my god,
he likes her, even throughoutthe series.
You see him like scoot closerto her and I'm like, oh my god,
he likes her, even throughoutthe series.
You see him dating other people, but he always kind of has his
eye on her.
But the way that he approachesher, he's always like coming in
(20:19):
and trying to lift her up and heis trying to affirm her.
And it's not that Alex doesn'tdo that too, because he writes
Alex with her a glowingrecommendation you know, but
everything that he does.
It just seems draped in theirrelationship, in their past
relationship.
(20:40):
It wasn't like to me, like thatrecommendation was almost a
love letter.
I just it wasn't like to me,like that recommendation was
almost a love letter.
It just I just every day,anytime terrence I mean anytime
alex talks to her, even if he'saffirming her, it's it's just
dripped in flirtation and thatit wasn't like that with
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terrence.
A lot of times Terrence wasspeaking life into her
insecurities, helping her tomove past them and just telling
her.
It's like Terrence is helpingher to become the person she
wants to be and Alex is lookingfor the person that she was.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And so, as the series goes on, you see like
Terrence's feelings for herbecome more clear and the way
that he manifests those feelingsis just with like that support
for her goals and thatencouragement, and I love it, I
love it, I love it, I love it.
And even like Terrence sees herhung up on Alex you know what I
(21:48):
mean and I was like oh, thathurts me.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
After the simulation where she walks off with Alex
and you see his face crack.
Oh that was hard.
I felt so bad for him because Iwas like girl, Girl, he
organized this whole thing justto get you on this plane that
would have been it for me?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
you know, that might have been it for me too, and I'm
tough enough to crack, but butthat was beautiful, you know
what like, you know how, like ifa man wants to do a romantic
gesture, like they'll bring yousome chocolates or a bouquet of
flowers, like, very like generic, like.
(22:31):
When I tell you, like, creatingthat simulation, like it was
just like the most beautiful,like specialized show of love,
and that he knows.
Yes, I'm like girl.
Why are you looking in the pastLike you're running off?
Why did Alex show up?
(22:53):
There was no reason for Alex toshow up there At the end,
because you didn't actually doanything.
He did not, he did not.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I guess you let Patty off work so that she could
drive her over there.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
But like I was so frustrated.
You have to show up and takecredit, right.
He's like oh, I had to be therefor you and I'm like you.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Girl.
They're sizing each other up ather graduation.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, because Terrence is not crazy.
No he ain't.
Terrence is like there's noreason for you to be here, like
why?
Tance is like why there's noreason for you to be here, like
why are you here?
Like what's going on?
You know what I mean.
But once again Alex isinserting himself in her life
because I think he heard thatshe had dated somebody else.
Like when, you know, he didright.
(23:38):
So he's trying to suss outwhat's going on and who she's
dating.
You have a wedding planned inHawaii, like back off of her,
you know, and I so I was veryfrustrated because I feel like
the show poses Alex as a goodguy Mm-hmm, you know and even I
(24:03):
feel like the show positions himas her dream man.
You know what I mean?
And I'm just like no, he isgarbash.
He is garbash with a bow on top.
It's Terrence.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh, it's definitely Terrence.
It's Terrence for me.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Like she talks about the entire show.
How nobody knows her, hownobody sees her.
He sees her.
Yeah, Good and bad, bad.
He's trying to help her stopsmoking.
You know what I mean?
Like he really cares.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
He cares it's a good, delicate balance between him
supporting and uplifting her andthen also calling her on her
crap when she needs to becalling her on her crap yes, he
does.
It's all done in a very gentleway.
You know he's not harsh withher, but at the same time he'd
be.
You know he's not harsh withher, but at the same time he'd
be like.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
But once again, he's only holding her accountable to
what she says that she wants.
He's not holding, he's not likeI think you should be this kind
of person and these are thethings that you should do to be
the kind of person I want you tobe.
He's like this is who you saythat you want to be and you're
now she's looking back andsaying I can't be that person.
He's like oh no, you can.
(25:14):
I see it in you.
Let me help you bring it out.
You know what I mean.
Like he's gentle, parenting herinto the person that she wants
to be, but it's not in a waythat's infantilizing.
Yes, I love it and once again,it's a lot of times when it
comes with her and Alex, it'svery much her and Alex.
(25:38):
Terrence rallies everybodyaround he's a part of her
community if they ever gottogether, it would not be just
the two of them in a wind tunnelin a dark corner he would add
to her life, not be her life.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Alex wants to be someone's life yeah, you know,
it is all the way.
It is Terrence for me.
That's who I want her to bewith.
I do not want to get with Alex.
I don't think I think you'reright.
Like talking to you, I feelstronger about it than I did.
I think, seeing it because Ididn't I didn't think of Alex as
a bad guy, I just felt likethey missed their moment.
But I do see some things that Ididn't see before, and how much
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he doesn't like the girlfriend.
I don't think I think I missedthat, like I felt like he was
disrespecting the girlfriend,but I didn't.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I don't think I really kind of fully like he
does not like her, he doesn't.
And so the girlfriend sayssomething about how in the
beginning she that she reallywasn't feeling him and then he
made her fall in love with her.
And I think that that's a.
That's a thing that he has likehe wants.
He wants to love a woman, hewants a relationship, and it's
not necessarily about let mefind the best person for me.
It's like let me find somebody,and that's why it's like that's
(26:56):
that, that's why they'restruggling you know, what I mean
, because they're not compatible.
And the girlfriend I think theyoriginally saw it, but he was
like very persistent, I think hebroke her down yeah and now
he's like, oh, I got her, butshe's not actually.
She's got a life of her own,you know.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I know because I'm like outside of this context,
like she seems like cool peopleyou and Melissa probably
wouldn't even get along outsideof him.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I'm telling you he needs to be with Rory and the
only reason why I said that isbecause Rory is also very tunnel
vision and he only wants to bewith his partner.
I know that Alex is nothomosexual, but I'm saying
that's the kind of person.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I like Rory and the soccer doctor.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I do too.
I like them together Because Ithink that he's healing
something in Rory and allowingRory to actually have a real
relationship, and I think thatthey should run off into the
sunset.
He does not need to be inseason two, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay so, alex, how do you think about?
Okay, so the girl that Terrenceis initially kind of casually
dating, that kind of tries tohold him into a relationship
because I feel like she does,they're very friends with
benefits, kind of thing juststarting out, and then she
declares them with HR withouttelling him.
She says that they didn'tdefine the relationship but then
she kind of keeps pushing todefine it and then he eventually
(28:20):
realizes, okay, she's moreserious than I am and he's
starting to really come to termswith his feelings for Mel and
so he pulls out of it that girlwhich I don't you know, her and
Alex might actually work.
She does have a big, strongpersonality.
She seems nice, you know,attractive, her and Alex
actually might be a better fit.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, Like he really needs somebody who's more bland,
more plain, who kind of justwants to be in a love life with
him, who wants to be in arelationship.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I actually think, yeah, those two actually who
kind of just wants to be in alove life with him, who just
wants to be in a relationshipand is just really into being in
a relationship.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I actually think, yeah, those two.
Actually I can see that Right.
Yeah, I don't think thatMelissa is right for him Now.
Do I think that she should havebroken up with him the way that
she did?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
At that moment.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Right, that wasn't necessarily cruel the way that
she broke up with him, that shebroke up with him, the reason
why she broke up with him, allof those things were wrong.
But just because that shehandled it in the wrong way
doesn't mean that they weresupposed to be together, because
I don't think that they wereNot.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
If she is to become the person she says she wants to
be, I think if they had notmissed that moment, that period,
I can see them having a lastingrelationship, but I think she
would have been a very differentperson.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
She would have, she really would be working at the
airport forever in that same jobprobably you know what I mean
Like she wouldn't have grown,she wouldn't have developed the
community which is some people'slife I don't know if that's you
know.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's a different life .
I'm not going to say thatthat's a wrong life, but it's a
different choice.
I do like this life that she'sbuilding better for her.
But you know, I just think herlife would look really
differently if she had chosenthat.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I agree.
The Melissa that exists todaycould not be in a relationship
with.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Alex, no, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Okay, do you know what we did not discuss?
What didn't we talk about?
We did not discuss thebrother-sister conversation at
the bar.
Oh, I think that warrants adiscussion, okay.
So to backtrack on Thanksgiving, you find out that, well,
(30:34):
actually before Thanksgiving, tobacktrack on Thanksgiving, you
find out that, well, actuallybefore Thanksgiving, to
backtrack a little bit more,melissa finds out that her
brother is on dating apps andhe's married.
So that's a big no, no.
And so you find out that shestarts catfishing him and on
Thanksgiving she sets up ameetup and meets him first of
all, catfishing.
Your brother is insane, yeah,well, no, okay not her brother,
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
She sets up a meetup and meets him First of all,
catfishing.
Your brother is insane, yeah,well, no, okay, not her brother,
I don't care.
And you're cheating, so I don'tfeel anything for you.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I don't know.
So, like you got enough goingon, do you really have time for
catfishing, your brother?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
The catfishing did not bother me.
The catfishing her brother didnot bother me.
I, the catfish thing did notbother me.
The catfish and her brother didnot bother me.
I think the only thing is liketaking his Social Security
number.
That's the thing that botheredme.
But her catfish and her cheatnet brother I don't care.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So she confronts him about cheating on his wife at
the bar and I loved that becauseyou know what a lot of times in
families you will know that,like, your family members are
behaving badly and poorly andyou will either not say anything
, it's like, oh, it's none of mybusiness, or like, in spite of
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it, you'll still see peoplesupport their family members,
like how many moms do you knowwho support their toxic sons who
are cheating on their wives andgirlfriends and will cover for
them and things like that.
And so for her to confront him,I thought it was really great.
How did you feel about theBlack love conversation?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Girl, I was so annoyed with him.
I was so annoyed with himBecause I don't like that and I
feel like that.
I'm going to say this I feellike I see this in real life
with men, black men, who marryWhite women but want to cheat
with Black women.
So that's off the top.
That's going to piss me offBecause, like you made the
(32:23):
choice, stick with your choice,right, I don't agree with
cheating anyway, but don't actlike something.
You were wronged out of thisBlack love experience that you
opted out of and to me he's likeI love my wife, I love her so
much.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
But it's like he was basically you're at an event and
you have FOMO because there'sall these.
They let like create a specialplace for black couples to dance
.
You're like, oh no, I'll neverhave black love and that leads
me to going create a specialplace for Black couples to dance
, you're like, oh no, I'll neverhave Black love.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, and that leads me to going as far as to
cheating on your like, startingthis whole series of cheating
with Black women on your wifethat you are using to get this
Black experience again that youchose not to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, like you did not want Black love and that is
fine.
You got Sarah love.
Enjoy your Sarah love.
Enjoy your Sarah love.
Why are you like you said?
You're now like using andabusing Black women to try to
get some little high that youfeel like you're missing out on,
Especially because his wife isreally good to him.
(33:29):
She is Like he is very caringand very understanding.
She, you know, is trying goodto him.
She is, he is very caring andvery understanding.
She is trying to help him withhis mental health and help him
with the load that he says hehas on him.
She's a good, supportive wife.
She doesn't deserve that.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
He's also usury to her.
He treats women almost like anobject.
This is a need that I need tofill this Black experience.
I'm just going to take thesesingle Black women that are
dating that you know want arelationship, and just insert
myself in their life so I get myneeds met, knowing that I could
never meet theirs.
(34:02):
And then you got your wife athome, who is raising your
children, doing the things thatyou all agreed to, right, and
you're not being a full partnerto her.
Even outside of the cheating,you're not being a full partner
to her.
She's like just this objectthat you planted in.
This is the wife, this is whatit looks like, but you're not
really communicating with her,you're not opening up to her,
(34:24):
you're not letting her into yourwhole separate life outside of
her.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You're also trying to have another baby.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Exactly While you know that you're unhappy.
So usury in nature to everyone.
So to me, men like this.
Women are objects, so I putSarah in my life to fulfill this
object role of a wife.
And now these Black women.
Now that I want to experienceBlack love, these Black women,
I'm just going to date them andget this experience that I need
(34:52):
to be met.
But you're not treating anybodyin here like they're a full
person.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, so even though I have empathy for certain
aspects of his life like he'salso garbage and I was like
trying to justify the cheatingwas crazy to me right because
(35:17):
like again you're complainingabout normal real world, people.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You know stuff right, like you mean, like you doing,
um, yeah, like you're justyou're.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's literally what marriage is right.
Like you're working, she staysat home.
You're just that's literally.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
What marriage is Right?
You're working, she stays athome.
What's your issue?
You seem like apparently, youcan afford it, so why?
Speaker 1 (35:42):
are you mad?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yes, I don't get it.
And then if that's no longerworking for you, if it's too
much and you need her to go backto work, have a conversation
with her.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Right, because the kids are in school so she can
get a little PTJ Right.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Have a conversation with her.
At least tell her what in theworld you're brooding over.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I honestly don't even think that it's her.
I think that it's the momputting all that pressure on him
and, being his second wife,instead of putting boundaries in
with his mom, he'd rather takeit out on his wife.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Which is not fair to Sarah.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Sarah don't deserve that Sarah don't deserve that.
The Black woman that he's usingdon't deserve that.
They deserve a fair chance atan actual relationship and I
just I feel nothing for her.
I think that's the other part,like I don't feel bad, like with
Melissa catfishing him, becauseI'm like she's on the app for
single people doing what singlepeople do.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
It's not like just he shouldn't be up there, he
shouldn't be up there, but justlike having those Flirty
conversations with your brotherIs crazy.
It's not like she got one ofher friends To catfish her
brother, she is doing it herselfand that Is wild to me.
(37:08):
That's wild.
So I Want to make sure that wetalk about her travel journey
before the show ends, becauseonce again I started the show
thinking the show was all abouther traveling and she does not
get on a plane until I think thelast episode she does Like on a
(37:29):
plane until I think the lastepisode, she does.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Like yeah, dang, it's the buildup to the travel.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I know, but once again, this is just.
It just wasn't what I thoughtthe show was about.
Did I say she was traveling onthe show?
I mean we were talking about,like, when we were discussing
the show, you said, well, whatdo you in the show I mean we
were talking about?
Like when we were discussingthe show, you said, well, what
do you think the show is about?
I'm like I think it's about alady who's like never traveled
before and scared, and like shelike takes a leap or something
(38:03):
and starts traveling.
You're like, yeah, yeah, that'sabout right, that is not what
this show is about.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I'm sorry, I'd be afraid.
I'm like I don't want to ruinthe purpose.
My bad, I didn't mean tomislead you, but she finally,
you have more empathy for thebrother than I do.
I just don't feel like he'sdoing as much as he thinks he's
doing.
You know, and again, again,like he's not entirely wrong,
(38:34):
melissa does need to get hershit together and she and
there's some of her, a part ofher that is like kind of
refusing to get her shittogether, um, but I also feel
like he exasperates, like hemakes it a much bigger deal than
it actually is mm-hmm, yeah, Imean, I do think that he thinks
that he's Superman, but he'sdefinitely Clark Kent.
(38:55):
Is he even Clark Kent?
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
So that's Melissa's airport journey.
Okay, one of the things that Iwas very happy about was that
she decided not to go to Hawaii.
Was that she decided Not to goto Hawaii Because the Her plan
To go to Alex's wedding Was dumb?
It was terrible?
(39:21):
No, like, here's the thing yourfeelings are your feelings and
you are entitled to yourfeelings, but what you don't get
to do Is destroy somebody'sspecial day.
No, because you don't havefeelings, but what you don't get
to do is destroy somebody'sspecial day.
Because you have feelings, butalso you see that man every
single day, you look him in theface.
You fly all the way to Hawaiito bust up my wedding.
(39:46):
I don't know that you'releaving.
I don't know that you'releaving Hawaii unless you're in
a box.
It was incredibly selfish,incredibly self-centered, and it
(40:07):
was, and I it.
To me it.
It did not make sense for whomelissa is, because one of the
issues that she's always had islike oh, I don't want to take up
space, I don't want to take upspace, I don't want to take up
space.
And so, once you decide, I'mgoing to put myself first.
You're putting yourself firstis ruining somebody else's
wedding.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, I think that that part is always insane.
But again, and I hate that tripI'm glad they didn't actually
do it like they alluded to it.
They didn't actually do itbecause I hate the breaking up
wedding thing.
That's my least favoriteepisode in a different world.
What the way everybody's likeoh my god, that robot.
Though it's so romantic, I'mlike I get pissed off every time
(40:43):
and I, lightweight, feel likeshe should have married byron
and I'm gonna move on.
But I'm sorry we're going back,but I hate that trope.
I'm glad they didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
So I was terrified that she was, and also I never
understood why she planned ongoing to the wedding either.
Her reasonings did not makesense.
She's like well, I want to putmy toes in the sand.
Do you know how many places youcan put your toes?
That points to her plan.
With these feelings, I want toput my toes in the sand.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Do you know how many places you can put your toes?
That points to her playing withthese feelings.
You know what I mean.
Because she wants to go to thewedding.
She's still kind of dealing,because she's dealing with her
feelings with Alex, but thenevery time anybody asks her
she's like oh no, it's not abouthim.
You going to somebody's weddingis not about them.
You know what I mean, becausethere's nothing wrong with you
going to somebody's wedding forthem.
That's the whole thing.
That's what it is.
But she makes a big deal everysingle time.
(41:34):
Oh no, it's not about him.
It's about me wanting to travel.
Oh no, it's about me needing avacation.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm like you're still playing games.
She could have went to theBahamas, jamaica, anywhere.
It would have been a shorterflight for your first flight.
She could have went to Hiltonhey, you want to put your feet
in some sand?
Like that's the thing I did notunderstand.
Like I was excited that, okay,she's finally going to fly, but
(42:01):
when I tell you I would havebeen turning up on somebody's
island and it wouldn't have beenMaui.
Girl but it would not have beenHawaii.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Not not not.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Girl, but it would not have been Hawaii.
No, no, no, I would have beenin Miami.
I would have been in Jamaica.
Most likely I would have beenin St Thomas, st Kitts.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I would be turning up , but that would be St Kitts
Nevis Girl.
There's so many options.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Right, that's what I'm saying.
Why are you going to Hawaii?
Why?
Like it was like punishing, itwas almost like she was
punishing herself.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
It was weird, it was weird.
It was a real weird energyaround that.
And again, the dismissal ofgoing to somebody's wedding for
them, which is weird Because,again, if you were over him it
wouldn't be a deal to say yeah,I'm going to go support Alex.
This is my friend.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I just I didn't think that she was ever going to make
it to that wedding.
Even if she would have been tothe wedding, I didn't think she
was going to make it to thewedding.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, I'm glad she didn't, though.
No, you don't need to be atsomebody else's and it's weird.
I don't like the whole thing.
Why would you invite exes toweddings anyway?
I don't get why people do thatin the first place.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
I also did not understand why he invited her.
I don't understand why he senther the invitation on her
birthday, unless he was tryingto hurt her or get a rise out of
her to see where her head wasat.
You cannot convince me it isanything else, because he tries
(43:34):
to make this thing.
It's like, oh, we're friendssince we've broken up.
But when she calls him on thephone after he gives her the
recommendation, he's like oh mygod, I thought you lost my phone
number because you never calledme, which also that
conversation on the phone wasinappropriate.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Oh, so inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Very inappropriate.
He was calling her Miss Jacksonand all of that stuff.
But this is the thing it's likethey are not friends, they are
exes, and it's very clear thatthey are exes.
So I don't understand why heinvited her and then to not tell
his fiance who she was, youknow until way later.
(44:12):
Garbage, garbage, garbage,garbage.
But I was.
So instead of going to Hawaii,she ends up going like on a kind
of like an airport hopping tour.
She goes to Charlotte, fromCharlotte, she goes to Chicago
and she has a time in Chicago.
She like sees the sights, shegoes and she visits, like
(44:37):
Elise's favorite restaurant andshe ends up meeting someone who
actually knew Elise.
Did you think that it was weirdthat she confessed the credit
card?
Speaker 2 (44:45):
to him yes, I thought that was so weird.
I was like why did you feellike you needed to confess that?
You didn't need to confess that?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
You don't know this man from Adam, and he knows
Elise and loved her.
Why would you tell this manfrom Adam why?
And he knows Elise and lovedher?
Why would you tell this manthat you stole her credit card
and took yourself on a lavishvacation?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Girl, it was so weird , you don't?
Yeah, it was so weird.
Why should she get that all thetime?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I'm telling you, Melissa makes decisions that I
do not understand.
Even at that point in the showwhere she's experienced so much
growth, she still will come outand do some wild stuff where I'm
like, girl, I'm rooting for you.
We are friends in my head, butsome of the stuff you do you
(45:33):
can't make it to the innersanctum.
You're going to have to be onthe outside because you are just
unpredictable.
You are wild.
She do be wilder.
She did the penguin swim orpenguin dive.
She jumps into the water, shedoes a cold plunge.
(45:54):
I don't know, I was thinking,man, maybe before I die, at
least once, I just think it waslike that's like a once in a
lifetime experience okay, um, Idon't see a point in doing that,
but if you do it, I'll do itwith you yeah, I just think like
it's sometimes you do stuff forthe plot.
you just do stuff just so youcan always say that you did.
(46:16):
And I'm like I think honey, Ithink honey, we do that before I
die, so we'll make a plan.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Hey, I'm down like four flight pass.
You know I love Chicago.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Right.
So the beautiful thing abouther trip is that she's like
posting it on social media,sending text messages to her
friends.
I love to see her friends'reactions.
Yes, everyone is like seeingher and they're so happy for her
, even her mom.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Her mom's reaction is oh, I guess I'm not going to
get my Hawaiian coffee, but youknow her mom is a big hater
everybody else seems to bereally, really, really excited
her least favorite person wasstill excited and he tries to
talk her out of going to thewedding which I think was the
right thing in that moment yes,I do think that the best advice
(47:04):
and the only good advice he'sever given her was yes, we all
want you to take a flight, butit does not have to be this one.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
And so, yes, I think in that moment he was right.
But so was a broken clock twicea day.
So Roy has one hater, it's me.
If he has no hater, it's RIP me.
So she ends up having, likethis beautiful and you see
everybody so excited, you knowabout her, except for her mom.
(47:34):
And so she heads back home andshe, like, on the way on her
trip home, she meets someone whoworks her same position at a
different airport and she tellsher that she met somebody on the
trip and the lady asks who itwas and she says I met me.
Absolutely.
How did that moment make youfeel?
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Oh, I love that moment.
I love that whole interactionbetween the two of them and her
again like, okay, she's receivedso much from her community and
she pours out into someone whoneeds a little bit of extra
confidence, you know, to take itto the next step, her
acknowledging that she metherself but she's not all the
way there yet, because none ofus ever are.
I love that.
I love everything about that.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
One of the things that she's been saying
throughout the show is no oneknows the real me.
No one knows the real me andhow she doesn't feel seen, and
so it's like for her to say Imet me and I'm like, okay, now
at least you know, Know youright, and maybe that answers
your earlier question as to whynobody knows the real her.
Because she didn't know, yeah,and maybe that answers your
earlier question as to whynobody knows the real her,
because she didn't know, yeah,and so that moment was really
(48:42):
beautiful, it was reallytouching, and now I want to talk
about the last crazy thing thatshe does.
Okay, once again it's anotherMelissa.
What are you doing?
Once again, it's anotherMelissa.
What are you doing?
Melissa decides to leave herbrother a voicemail because
she's very excited that she getsher.
(49:03):
She gets a settlement from thefurniture company that you know
injures her, and so she getsseventeen thousand dollars,
which I don't think is enoughmoney.
But that's neither here northere.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
She was excited about it, but I'm like I'm gonna need
a zero One more at least onemore zero.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
It doesn't even cover her medical bills, but anyway
she's so excited.
She calls her brother and sheleaves him a voicemail saying
hey, like I got some money fromthe furniture company and so now
I can take care of myself,which also $17,000 is not enough
money to take care of yourself.
But if you feel like it, hey,she's like, I'm no longer one of
your kids.
(49:38):
And then she says you won'thave a third child unless you
keep cheating on your wife.
Girl, why would you do that?
That don't matter.
It says I love you.
He listens to the voicemail infront of his wife and children
Playing it to the car, whichalso is a weird choice.
(50:00):
It is a weird choice when youknow you're cheating.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
You know what I mean.
Like you think you would justbe a little bit more cautious
about your phone especiallybecause you know your sister
knows you're cheating, but alsowhy.
Melissa strikes me hard as thedo not put on speaker friend.
She as the do not put onspeaker friend.
She's a do not put on speakerfriend Like you should know that
.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Definitely.
But I was like, why would youleave that?
Why would you do that?
Because even if he did not playit on speakerphone, what if the
wife was checking his voicemailfor whatever reason?
Mm-hmm, I don't understand.
Like I once again, it was crazy.
Like, yeah, I love you and I'mtrying to be your friend because
(50:48):
the choices you make make it sohard.
Yeah, that was a rough one.
That was a rough one.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Um, that was crazy work, and but that's also a
reason why I think the brotheris the one who turned her in.
Yeah, that was a rough one,that was a rough one, that was
crazy work, but that's also thereason why I think the brother
is the one who turned her in.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
So I was going to talk about the ending.
So the ending of season one.
Melissa gets off of theairplane and Terrence is there
to meet her and they were justabout to have this beautiful hug
.
Right before they can hug eachother, she's tackled by security
(51:22):
, placed in the handcuffs, andshe's charged for like credit
card fraud and grand larceny andidentity theft and forgery, all
of those things because shestole Elise's credit card and so
I had asked you earlier who didyou think snitched on her?
and you said you think it washer brother.
So I'm like, well, maybe it wasthe man at the restaurant, even
though he said that he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Oh, he would like to call the police though no, he's
not that kind of old person thatwould.
He's not like.
He's the he.
I don't think, even if shehadn't asked him, I still don't
think that she, he, would havereally called the police.
I think he was just, you know,pushing a little back a little
bit.
I think it was the brotherbecause it was credit card fraud
and identity theft.
She also stole his identity andshe also told the brother that
she stole Elisa's credit card.
(52:03):
So he knew all of that, and hedoes like to see her fail.
He does.
I think the brother has more ofa motivation than the guy at
the thing at the diner, becausewhat is he going to get out of
it?
At least he ain't got no kids,at least he ain't got no family.
(52:23):
Nobody's going to have to paythat bill.
You know, I don't think he didit, I think it's the brother.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
So do you think he told the police in retaliation
for the voicemail that she left?
Now knowing that when she forthe voicemail that she left?
Now knowing that when she leftthis voicemail she was not
talking about his cheating, shewasn't trying to be malicious,
no, she was actually trying tobe lighthearted and funny.
You know what I mean?
Yes, it was very careless.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
It's very careless.
The brother's a hater.
He says he wants her to come up, but I don't feel it doesn't
feel genuine to me from him.
I think he enjoys seeing herbeing a failure like.
There are certain situations,like if he's trying to get his
identity back you know what Imean the fact that she stole it.
There are certain situationswhere, like your, your insurance
company or the thing won'tunless you prosecute, like if
(53:15):
you say I'm not going toprosecute this person, they
won't, you know, go into therecovery.
But I feel like if that was thesituation, he would have
prepared her for that but here'sthe thing.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
There's no need to go into recovery.
She's not taking money.
He's just a guarantor on herloan.
Now it may affect his credit.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
It affects the credit , whether or not he can get
another loan.
We don't know what he's tryingto do, but either way, I'm
saying the only way that it'slegitimate.
He had no choice but to do it.
To me would have been that kindof situation that I just
described.
That is not going on and youwould have prepared somebody for
that.
Like hey, they're saying Ican't get my identity back.
I got to get my identity backfor this reason and I can't
listen.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
So it feels more malicious than I think it was,
which is terrible because he wasthe one that was cheating and
that witness was not like madewith malicious intent, and why
would you want your sibling togo to jail?
Speaker 2 (54:07):
both both mel and her brother have an issue with
accountability.
Both of them talk abouteverything like it just happens
to them and like they're notactive participants in their
life.
The same thing like when hetalks about the cheating.
It was like well, I got so muchpressure on me, what am I
supposed to do?
I knew it's not going to fix it, but you're choosing to cheat
anyway.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
You know like so yeah , no, he doesn't really take any
accountability for the cheating.
So here's the thing, although Iwas super upset to see Mel get
arrested and in handcuffs likedoes she deserve it because she
did steal that woman's creditcard?
Speaker 2 (54:46):
I don't want to see her go to jail.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I just really don't.
But like she did a crime, so isgoing to jail part of her
growth arc.
I don't know crime, so is goingto jail part of her growth arc?
Speaker 2 (55:02):
I don't know, I don't want her to go to jail.
We need a season two.
If she in jail, she can't be injail all season two.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
It'd be a very interesting season.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, so that was literallylike her getting arrested was
literally like the last momentof the last episode.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
So let's talk season two and questions that we hope
get answered okay I want to knowmore backstory on the father
and what he did to be such aterrible person.
Um, that's, that's one of themain yeah, just always context.
I would also want to dive moreinto some of the background
(55:42):
characters, which I thinkusually happens in season two
anyway, and, of course, I wantto know if she's going to go to
jail.
What's going to happen to herafter she gets arrested?
Speaker 1 (55:51):
I want to know if Alex married that girl.
I'm not sure he did.
Oh, he definitely did.
I don't know.
I don't know that he did.
I don't know that he did.
He married her and I hope thathe didn't, honestly because she
deserves better For her sake.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
I hope he didn't, but like and it's so much you got
all the family in Hawaii allthat Like he did it, and she
probably did it too.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
I don't know if they're going to stay together,
though I also want to knowwhat's going to happen with
Brian and Sarah.
Is she going to leave himbecause she found out that he's
cheating?
Is she pregnant already?
Speaker 2 (56:26):
I hope she's not pregnant already.
Is she going to leave him?
No, no question to be answered,but I don't think she's going
to leave him.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
And so, in order to work at the airport, you have to
have security clearance.
So how is getting arrested?
I think you have to have acertain level of security
clearance, right?
You usually have to run abackground check.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
They definitely have to do a background check.
I don't know.
I would have thought that wouldhave been more like TSA
specific, like those type ofjobs.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
But who knows?
I wonder if her gettingarrested is going to derail her
upward trajectory.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Oh goodness, Well, I mean it's got to in some way.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
How that looks, how that plays out, yeah, I wonder
if they're going to explore herreconciling with rory um next
year.
I personally don't need it andI hope that her reconciling with
rory does not stop her fromcontinuing to build in her
(57:34):
community?
Speaker 2 (57:35):
I don't think so either, I don't think it would,
but like, yeah, I definitelywant to see where.
Where does, where does theirrelationship go from here, her
and roy?
Speaker 1 (57:42):
okay, don't have any other things.
Do you have any unansweredquestions?
I think that's it.
I think we kind of yeah.
So yeah, this was a oh, it wasa great show.
I know I uh had my reservationsin the beginning because it was
not what I expected, um, butI'm I'm actually really grateful
(58:05):
that I watched it.
I felt like they'd uh broughtsome things to the surface that
I think I'm going to talk to mytherapist about, which is that,
like it's a good thing, you knowI think that it's important, it
I'm like, oh okay, you knowwhat, I have some, some things I
need to process out, so that'sinteresting.
(58:26):
but it was an enjoyable ride andI did not know, um, at the time
that I finished watching it,that there was going to be a
season two.
So I was like a littleheartbroken, I'm like I need
closure.
Is she going to be a season two?
So I was like a littleheartbroken, I'm like I need
closure.
Is she going to get withTerrence?
Did Alex marry that woman?
What's going to happen withBrian and Sarah?
So now I have an opportunity tofind out.
That's very, very exciting forme, absolutely.
(58:48):
So, guys, I hope you enjoyedthis series and look forward.
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