April 2, 2025 • 59 mins
Grief takes many forms. In The Resort, Niq and Jess explore how each character grapples with profound loss while searching for meaning, identity, and connection in a narrative that blends mystery with magical realism.
Emma and Noah's marriage struggles following a pregnancy loss reveal a common relationship pitfall—when good intentions become suffocating. Noah desperately tries to help Emma heal by becoming her caregiver, but this only pushes her further away as she feels her identity dissolving. "His greatest fear is losing his wife. Her greatest fear is losing herself," as Niq so perfectly articulates. This dynamic creates a destructive cycle where his protective instincts trigger her rebellious actions, further cementing their parent-child dynamic instead of a partnership between equals.
Meanwhile, the parallel story of Violet searching for "Pasaje"—a mysterious place where time stands still—reveals another manifestation of grief. Rather than connecting with her living father during their Christmas vacation, Violet pursues a fantastical hope of reuniting with her deceased mother. This avoidance of reality is echoed in Balthazar's struggle against his famous family's expectations, showing how we often flee from pain rather than processing it.
The show's brilliant use of time distortion through Pasaje creates a powerful metaphor for grief itself—how it freezes us in place while the world continues moving forward. When Sam and Violet emerge after fifteen years, having experienced only minutes, they face the ultimate question of how to rejoin a world that has moved on without them. This mirrors the journey we all face after significant loss: how do we integrate our grief into our continuing lives?
What makes The Resort special is how it wraps these profound explorations in a lighthearted, adventurous package that never feels heavy-handed. As Sam suggests early in the series, "Does art always have to have a meaning?" The show invites us to enjoy the ride while also contemplating deeper questions about identity, loss, and what it means to truly heal. Whether you're looking for an engaging mystery or a thoughtful meditation on grief, this limited series delivers both with remarkable skill.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi guys, welcome back to next episode with Nick and
Jess, and today we are finishingour discussion of the resort.
Yes, so some of the like themesthat I saw in the show loss was
definitely a big theme, thatwas a big one.
Also, like, searching foridentity was a theme that I
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found, and I think as we get toexplore the relationships
between the characters, like, wekind of see like those things
come out.
So, of course, like, as youwere watching the show, you find
out that the issues in betweentheir marriage, emma and noah
(00:45):
noah I'm sorry because you know,I just want to call him
cheating between emma and noahcenters, um, that they
experienced a pregnancy loss andso when she lost the baby, she
was far enough along that sheactually had to deliver it, and
so noah actually saw the baby.
But in that moment, um, emmadecided not to and she.
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That's something that she'sregretted and it's also
something that noah knows thatshe regrets and he kind of he's
trying I feel like he's tryingto heal that wound for her.
But he can't that, he can't,that he can't, and I think that
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that, honestly, is somethingthat happens a lot in marriage,
like where someone is having anissue and their partner is
trying to solve that issue forthem and that's not really what
they need.
Yeah, and so you're like, I'mtrying to help you, I'm trying
to help you another person's,like, if you want to help me,
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like, be what I need you to be,not what you think I need.
Yeah and I.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I just think that that's something that's very
common to marriages it is, and Ialso think that she doesn't
know what she needs, so shedoesn't know you don't mean like
you can't she can't.
She's not communicating what herneeds are very well either, and
I don't.
I think that's because shedoesn't know what they are.
She just knows she doesn't likewhat he's doing and she says
several times he's treating herlike she's a baby.
She feels like ever since shelost the baby, everybody treats
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her like she's broken and andshe is kind of getting resentful
of that and I do understandthat.
But I also think like, yeah,she doesn't know.
Ok, but what do you want him totreat you?
Or like what does support looklike?
You know Right?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Right.
And so what was interesting isI have I've also experienced
pregnancy loss, and so my mindwas very early in in my
pregnancy, but I really had ahard time with it.
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And I think I was having a hardtime and a lot of people didn't
even realize how hard I washaving it, because I did keep it
to myself.
Yeah, because I honestly didnot know, I didn't know how to
explain it to two people,because a lot of people were
like oh, you know what, just tryagain.
(03:13):
You know, and for me, I wasscared that I could never even
get pregnant in the first place,scared that I could never even
get pregnant in the first place.
And so when I did get pregnant,I was so excited and when I lost
the baby, I was so devastatedand scared that I was I'm like,
oh, something's wrong with me,because I have a husband who has
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kids from previousrelationships, very fertile, has
no problem impregnating someone, and I had never been pregnant
in my entire life and at thatpoint I was in my mid-30s, so I
knew like any fertility issueswere coming from my end.
And so, like when I lost thebaby, I'm like, oh, you know
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what?
Am I incapable of having achild there.
I also know like on my father'sside of the family there are
fertility issues, and so all ofthese things were weighing on me
and I'm like, did I dosomething wrong?
I thought I did all the researchand I it also.
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I felt like feelings also, andso I was suffering in silence
for a very, very long time, andso I understood her feelings of
loss and I understood feelinglike no one can really
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understand what you have goingon, because everybody handles
loss differently and it looksdifferent, you know, for
different people.
And when her, her partner, wasreaching out to her, and so I, I
, I didn't have that experiencewhere my partner could see my
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pain, and so I wonder in thatsituation, how I would have
handled it, if it would havebeen something that have helped
me or, like her, if it wouldhave made it worse.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I don't know, yeah, there's there's no way to know.
And I think, yeah, I think it'sabout how, and I guess maybe
know yeah, there's no way toknow.
And I think, yeah, I think it'sabout how, and I guess, maybe,
about that person Like, I thinkshe I don't know that she didn't
want to be reached out to, butmore so I think she still wanted
her to treat him like she,treat her like she was the full
person she was before thishappened.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And I don't and I think that's kind of the thing
that she wasn't getting, thatmade that reaching out not
really feel like a rich, youknow, like the support she
needed.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What's also interesting is like she was
talking about like having issueswith her identity and this is a
funny thing, because this isalso something that I
experienced when I got married.
Like having to change my lastname was very traumatic for me
because, I did.
I did feel like I was losing myidentity and the person that I
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was.
And the funny thing is I wasvery attached to my last name.
I'm not very attached to mybiological father, it wasn't
like but I was attached to mylast name and it'm not very
attached to my biological father, but I was attached to my last
name and it was a part of myidentity and I felt like
everything that I have ever donein my life, all the things that
I have accomplished and all ofmy great memories.
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I was one person.
And then, when I got married, Ireally drug my feet on changing
my last name.
My husband was like I don'tunderstand, don't you want to
have the same last name as me?
Like we're together and I'mlike it's not that I have an
issue, like being with you, butI feel like I'm losing me.
(07:01):
I do think that that is yeah, Iget that, I get that I'm losing
me.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I do think that that is yeah, I get that.
I get that Like because you areand one you had a really great
last name, like you just had areally wonderful, unique last
name, but also like that's theperson that you've been and you
have to think like who am I, whois this new person with this
different name?
And we are attached to ournames.
So I get that.
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I think a lot of married womengo through that.
It was.
I mean I, I changed my when Idid get married.
I changed my name quickly, butI definitely went through that
period of who is this person andthen getting divorced and I'm
like I'm going back to that.
But that was a much easiertransition.
Go back to marriage, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I think it's.
I think the things that Emma isgoing through is a combination
of those two things.
It's something that I thinkwomen experience it differently.
For some reason, when you getmarried, it just seems like your
husband stays a whole personand you're supposed to, to a
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certain extent, meld into themand it's it.
It's awkward and it doesn't.
It doesn't work.
You, at some point, you're you.
You you feel this need toreassert your identity and
create this life for yourself.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, and she says that directly.
She's like we're still supposedto be two separate people.
We're not two separate peopleanymore.
We don't have our own friends,we don't have our own you know
all those kind of things.
She kind of goes to that, andso I do agree.
I think she is searching foridentity on several different
levels, like who she was beforeshe lost the baby, who she is
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now dealing with that pain andstill living with that pain.
She's lost that element ofchemistry that they had at the
beginning of them being a couple, but at the same time, she
wants a separate identity.
She does not want to be just apart of a couple.
So it's a lot of things thatshe's grappling with and I think
but I think, you know, go backto like you saying like he's
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reaching out and giving support,but she's not receiving it.
But I'm like I don't.
She needs a professionalsupport.
You know what I mean.
Yes, like you know, like Idon't, like I don't think he has
the ability to do it, notbecause he's like not a good
person, but just because, likethat's a lot of stuff to grapple
with at once.
And yeah, and she does seemdepressed.
(09:36):
You know, she really does.
She seems like really scaredwhat I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think that Noah feels like it's his job to be
everything to her and he'strying to do that, but that you
can't be somebody's everything.
It's not healthy.
So, yes, I agree, he does needprofessional help and he's
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trying to heal her and that'snot his job, his role or his
responsibility.
Right, you know, hisresponsibility would be to
encourage her to get help.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
He's trying to be her caregiver and what she needs is
a partner, and I guess I thinkthat's what she's trying to say
to some degree, like you knowwhat I mean.
She's like you treat me like ababy, you treat me like a broken
, and he does have this verycaregiver aspect or um, in the
way that he talks to her, in theway he kind of monitors what
she does, um, and that's notwhat she wants right and I can
(10:37):
see that and it's like he youcan tell that he's a good person
and you can tell that he reallyloves and cares about her.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, but that does not mean that what he's doing is
the best for her, and I thinkthat's really important that
sometimes we have to listen.
When we're trying to helpsomeone, we have to listen and
make sure that we're helpingthem in the way that they need,
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not in the way that we arewilling to help, because I think
if he had stepped back from thesituation, I think he would
have been able to see that, likeyou're suffocating her in a way
and you're losing the chemistryis not there, because it's
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turning into a parent-childrelationship versus a married
couple relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And that's always going to kill the chemistry.
Right, that is always going tokill the chemistry.
And I do agree, and I think thatthat kind of overbearing kind
of thing is because he is sodesperate not to lose this
relationship Anytime somebodybrings up divorce or separation.
Another set of characters wehave are the two Teds.
They meet another marriedcouple who have this really
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interesting philosophy onmarriage where they reevaluate
their marriage every seven years.
They go on a vacation Afterthat.
They kind of talk about therelationship and see if they're
going to continue for the nextseven years.
When Noah meets them he hits itoff with the Ted's and he says
that's terrifying.
And then every time anyoneanywhere near mentions like oh,
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there's something wrong withtheir relationship, you can see
the tear on his face.
Sometimes he says that he's.
You know, I think he is sodesperate Like that that pushes
like to try to hold on to thisrelationship.
So he's just like what is it?
You know?
Like he's almost like a hoverparent, you know, at this point
right, so his greatest fear islosing his wife.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Her greatest fear is losing herself.
Yeah, and so that's that'swhere.
That's where they are, she, he,he feels like you know she's,
she's got all this distance andshe's moving away from me and
he's trying to just grab her andhold her tighter, tighter and
tighter and tighter.
Meanwhile, she's like I don'tknow who I am anymore.
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All I am is a person in thisrelationship.
I need to figure out who I am,and it's like the things that
he's doing to like hold on toher is only making her, her
situation worse, and so it'slike things are only
deteriorating between them, theyboth need help.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But like, here's the thing.
But to you know, to like.
It does not make it any better,though that she keeps doing
dangerous shit, you know what Imean.
Like he's already in her parentmode and she keeps doing the
most.
I like her going on thismystery, like, honestly, truly
like we wouldn't have a story ifshe didn't do it, but like it
makes no sense.
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She's taking risks that don'tneed to be taken.
So one of the things with thisthat they come across as a part
of this mystery and pretty earlyon in the mystery, after they
find the phone and after theystart exploring and trying to
figure out what happened is thatthere's this message in the
phone that says don't fuck withthe yellow snake.
It has four noses.
They come to realize that thisstory has something to do with a
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very famous family in the areacalled the Frears family, who
has a lot of power and influence, and that message is every time
they encounter people are likedon't fuck with the other sex,
don't do it, don't do it, don'tdo it.
And they keep doing it, and shekeeps getting deeper and deeper
.
They get chased in, they getchased out of like a.
They get chased out of like amarketplace, um, she is not
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taking care of herself.
She loses a tooth, um, and shedoesn't tell him, like she just
keeps taking all these differentrisks with her life and he was
already in her parent's ownRight.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yes, her behavior is irrational and I understand
she's acting out because she'strying to find some measure of
control.
I agree that the stuff thatshe's doing is stupid and
dangerous.
I'm not trying to make excusesfor her poor behavior.
I just understand the root ofit.
She's acting she's literallyacting out, yeah, like a
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rebellious child almost likeRight which is crazy because
she's like oh you, yeah like arebellious child, almost like
him Right, which is crazybecause she's like oh, you treat
me like a child, but thenyou're also acting like one.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
The more he treats her like a child, the more she
acts like a child.
It's this weird cycle thatthey're in.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So, yeah, so that they both need therapists.
And, the funny thing, they'renot the only ones who experience
loss.
The Freas family we meet one ofthe people and his name is
Balthazar.
He's the rebellious one in hisfamily because they're famous
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tailors, fashion designers.
That's how they built theirfortune.
Designers, um, and that's howthey built their fortune.
And although balthazar is anextremely talented tailor very,
very creative, especially, ifyou like, over the top things
because alan alan cumming wouldlove him, um, it would be
besties he actually wants to bea detective, which in his family
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is not respected and it's seenas a joke.
And because he has this desireto live his own life and to be
more than just a free us, heends up running away and going
to the resort, um, but he, he,at some point he ends up going
back to his family and so,basically, like, his thing is
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like, what he's lost is thedesire to like, live the life
that he wants and to be seenoutside of his family name like
he wants to.
He wants to be able to like, bea detective and be seen as
Balthazar and not be seen as aFrias and not have the
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expectation that I have to, youknow be a tailor, because even
when he left and was working atthe hotel and like as head of
security and really enjoyed it,did you notice he was still
making clothes?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yes, I did Like I'm like.
He gets up every morning andsews a new outfit.
Like if you look at his clothes, they are so ornate and like,
sometimes even specific, likeone of the last scenes.
We see one of the last suitsthat he sews.
He has a scene from theadventure that he sewed into the
back of his garment.
Like our little sister, I thinkhe gets up every day before
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work.
When I used to do that beforeschool, I think he does up every
day before work.
When I was a sister, he used todo that before school.
Yes, I think he does that Everymorning Because I don't think
that he does it.
I think he enjoys it, but Ijust don't think he.
That's all he was and he'sparticularly talented.
So his mother is actually theone who made the Freest name
famous and popular because shewas so talented and everyone in
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the family said he was even moretalented than her, and so then
there was even more pressure or,I think you know, friction when
he did not go into the familybusiness.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Right, because once again we're talking about loss
and identity and so like hewants to be more than just a
tailor.
Just because you are good atsomething, just because you're
excellent at something, does notmean that you have to devote
your life to it.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Right, even if it's something you enjoy doing it,
because I do think it'ssomething he enjoys doing.
There's scenes where you seehim and he's in his room and
he's sewing.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
But he wants to be more than that.
You know what I mean.
And they're telling him you canonly be this one thing you have
to conform and you have to bethis person because our family
is so important.
And so he has a loss of freedom.
He wants to hide who he is.
He can't.
I really.
He would like to exist in theworld and he tries, and he does
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try, he works really hard.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
His family is too famous.
He changes his name, he goes tothe store, he takes a job of
security, but his family's sofamous, everyone knows who he is
.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Right, and so once again, it's pressure.
You know what I mean, becausehe's trying to create an
identity and people won't lethim just be Balthazar.
Now him as a child.
I know that you thought it washilarious, I was like as a child
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.
I'm like this child is annoying.
And I'm gonna tell you thefirst letter.
I did not have an issue withthe first letter.
He wrote to the author, causeI'm like, oh, he's a little kid,
he's writing to the author.
It's when the author pushedback against what he said.
And then he's like sending himanother nasty letter and I'm
like, well, people are allowedto be creative.
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Like, if you didn't enjoy thestuff, the story, okay, don't
buy another one of my books.
But why are you harassing me?
And you know your family isrich and powerful what?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
okay, that scene is my favorite scene in the show.
It is hilarious.
I like it because one it showsBalthazar is Balthazar from the
beginning to the end becauseeven how he does detective, he
is a dog with a bone he won'tlet go.
He asks invasive questions thatare way too personal, gets all
in people's business and he'sjust one of those people who
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says whatever he thinks.
He does not have a concept forhow you might take it, and he
was that when he was a child andI think that's why, also, I
love that scene.
It's like that is always whoBalthazar has been.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, but is that because he grew up super
privileged you don't have tothink about the consequences of
what you say or how what you'redoing affects other people
because he's very, veryprivileged.
It's the way that he went tovisit his friend and was like oh
, you know what, stop workingand come on this adventure.
She's like I got bills.
What are you talking about?
You know what I mean?
He, he's not in touch with thereal, with the real world.
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This is why he can move the waythat he moves.
I did enjoy his interviews,though, because it was like are
you a detective or are youtrying to be a therapist?
Because his detecting is verytherapizing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It is very therapizing, but not in a way
that's helpful.
It's just invasive.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know what?
Yes, I agree it is.
It comes across as if he'sasking therapeutic questions.
Yes, that's how it comes across, but he actually is just being
extremely invasive.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Extremely invasive but it does like.
But it still has that benefitof getting people to think about
and admit to stuff themselvesthat they don't want to.
So it's like, in a weird way,in the worst way, he's like the
most blunt therapist you couldever have, but it still works.
I want to go back real quick tothe letter writing.
Ilani Barra also knows thatthat's a child and that he goes
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back and forth with I was goingto make that point too.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It takes a special kind of person to have a vicious
argument with a child argumentwith a child.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
The argument that the author of the book, ilan Ibarra
, and that Balthazar are havingis so heated At one point.
Balthazar tells him that thebinding of your book is only
good for toilet paper.
Excuse me as I wipe.
Ilan Ibarra knows this as achild the whole time, because he
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identifies himself as a childin the first letter and he's
like what?
10 or 11 I would say he lookedlike 9, very young, and at the
end he's like somebody shouldend you, maybe I will make you
disappear, or something likethat to a child.
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So Ilhan ain't all the wayreptile either.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
When we meet him, he is everything that I thought he
was going to be Everything.
When I'm like, what kind ofperson would would like argue
with a child?
That person, that person wouldlike I, I like that.
When you meet him, you're like,oh yeah, no, you are the type
of person who would have avicious argument with a child
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and could I tell you, louiseguzman, and that part, I loved
every bit of it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I don't know who else could have played that like
that.
I enjoyed him so much and hewas perfect.
He played that part perfectly.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Nobody else could have played that part but him.
Nobody else, Because I'm likeyou're a terrible person.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You're a terrible person.
Well, I don't know if I wouldcall him a terrible person.
He's funny to me.
Well, I guess, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But anyway, you can do both.
He's entertaining, he'sentertaining.
That's what it is he's soentertaining.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
You are not a good person.
But yes, I full on believe thatyou had a full on argument with
a child that he's eccentric,he's over the top.
It's questionable whether ornot he's actually a good writer.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I don't think that he is, because the story was real.
He was basically telling thestory of what him and his best
friend who you found out thatAlejandro is actually his best
friend, and this happened whenthey were younger is doing, so
he didn't even create a fantasyworld or anything like that.
He's just telling the story ofwhat happened, and that's why
there's no ending, becausethere's two different books.
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There's two different books.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
There's two different books, so, like the book that
Balthazar reads is called ElEspejo, that's supposed to be a
detective novel.
That's the one he's going titfor tat for him about.
The book that the mother wroteis the mother read and it has.
It's like In.
English, it would be theIllusion of Time, but it's like
el illusion de tiempo, somethinglike that, but it means the
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illusion of time.
Really good title, though, andso there are two separate books
going on Balthazar, becauseBalthazar, remember, he's really
into detective novels, and sohe's like I read a lot of
detective novels.
This sucks.
I believe him, though, Ibelieve him too, and he, I
believe him too, and he was likeit's only 68 pages, but, you
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saw, the Illusion of Time ishuge.
So, yeah, those are twoseparate books, both of which
have a lot of criticism.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Okay, that makes more sense now, because I'm just
like okay, that makes more sense, because I'm like well, why
would there be a crime in thebook about their adventures
looking for this place?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, he's reading what is supposed to
be his detective novel.
That's only 68 pages, but stilldidn't have an ending.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So, yeah, I agree with.
It's not that I disagree withBalthazar that the book was
probably bad, but writing andgoing back and forth with the
author is crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, it's everything .
But that's Balthazar Like.
You know what I mean.
It's not that he's necessarilywrong about the things he said,
it's just nobody else would justsay them to people's face like
that, right, you know what Imean?
He has no, he has no filter.
He has no filter.
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He has no compassion.
Really, that's almost the thing.
It's almost like him and Elonare almost different sides of
the same coin.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Right, that's very true.
Actually, capuzon is not aterrible person, he's not
terribly sensitive.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
He's intelligent, but yeah, he's's insensitive.
He's incredibly insensitive andso okay.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So, getting back to the loss, the theme of loss
throughout the show, I want totalk about Violet and her dad.
Okay and so because then ofcourse, I don't know her dad's
name, oh god, not that one.
I call him.
His name in real life is nickofferman.
Okay, I was like not learningit was too many names in the
show for only eight episodesthat I feel like they didn't
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give me enough time to learneverybody's name, because I'm
like, okay, it's two guys.
And then I'm like there's, forsome reason, the helicopter
pilot being named Abigail.
I could remember her name, butthen I could not remember the
name of his best friend, whoused to be the maid Luna.
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I don't know, I didn't haveenough time to learn everybody's
names.
I'm like I need more episodesif you want me to remember this
many characters.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Nick Offerman's name is Mary so yeah, I never did
anyone use his name onlyBalthazar, I think because I'm
like, I feel like his name wasthrough this whole thing they
called him Mr Thompson for somereason, but like I think, only
because him and Balthazar soundlike they went on some
adventures afterwards trying tofind them too.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I have thoughts about that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That's the other thing If we're getting spinoffs
or sideshows.
I know we didn't even get asecond season, but I would watch
the adventures of Murray andBalthazar.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I was not even sure if the things that he was saying
were true.
I want to talk about that, butlet's put it to the next.
Talk about it after we, afterwe talk about the situation,
because, okay, so when you meetviolet and and her dad, murray,
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you find out that Violet wantedto go to this resort for
Christmas, and it's been a yearsince Violet's lost her mom and
he lost his wife.
Now it sounds like they had anagreement before they got there
that they would be vacationingat the same place, but not
together.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, they were going to meet at the same place, but
not together.
They were going to meet at thesame place and do their own
thing.
Which is very strange becauseit's Christmas and this is your
only parent and this is youronly child, and you just lost
your mom and your wife a yearago.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
So there was already like that was weird between the
two of them.
But I now realize that thereason why Violet wanted to go
to that resort is because shewanted to find Pasaje, Right?
I don't think I honestly didnot put all of that together
until I got to the end and hadto think about everything that I
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experienced and I'm like, oh,that's why she wanted to go to
that resort.
Her plan was always to findPasaje so she could go see her
mom, which is why she told herdad, hey, like let's not really
hang, because she wanted herspace to find, you know, to find
the place.
And I thought that that wasreally interesting, because I'm
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like you lost your mom, but yourdad is right there, and so
you'd rather go and search andhope that you would somehow meet
your mom.
Based on a book.
It was like a lot, it was asmall.
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It's like there's a smallchance that your mom is in the
space between time and you cango and hang out with her, versus
actually spending time withyour actual dad, who's alive and
paid for this luxuriousvacation for you.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And there's a decent dad for the times.
You know what I mean Like he'snot.
You know he doesn't seem like abad guy A little bit To me.
He handles things like a guy.
You know what I mean.
So he mentioned at one pointyou see him break down saying my
daughter wanted to go on thisvacation but she didn't want to
spend time with me.
And I see him making these likebids towards spending time with
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her that I think she misses.
But, like you said, she'sfocused on Pasaje and seeing her
mom.
But like he also does not sayanything to her directly, he'll
say something like hey, I wasgoing to go see the dolphins
later, or if you want to dosomething, we could do something
together.
And she's like hey, I was goingto do this, but if you want to
do something, instead of justsaying, hey, I want to see, I
want to spend time with you, orlet's go here together.
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Like he says it in a roundaboutway.
That just strikes me as verymale.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
But like you, can see he wants to spend time with his
daughter.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
He does, and she just does not pick up on it.
But like I'm like, but youcould have also said that a
little bit more directly.
That's all I'm, that's my onlything.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Right, it's like he's afraid of rejection.
Oh, I can see that, but I thinkhe should have said something
like you know, I really missyour mom too.
I'm lonely, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think you should have said more.
She was not picking up on thoseclues, because her mind, what
you realize you don't realizewhy, but you realize later her
mind is on Pasaje.
And I think Violet is one ofthose people too who could be
like, because she doesn't seemlike she's sad or upset.
She's people too like, whocould be like because she
doesn't seem like she's sad orupset.
She's one of those people whocan smile on the outside and his
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toe up on the inside.
You know so like she is clearly.
You realize at that howdedicated she is to go to Pasaya
and find this thing, how hardshe's really taken her mother's
death.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
but on the surface she seems like this light, airy
person, and so you don't see itright, she gives like a manic
pixie, hippie girl, hippie girlvibes and so like you're
watching them both like gothrough, like the motions of
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loss and so, and for her, likethe way that she's handling
losing her mom is trying to findher and he's trying to like
hold on to her because that'sall he has left, and then he
loses her because she disappearsduring the hurricane, like
right before the hurricane hitsshe goes off into the jungle.
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He has no clue where she is,and so then the hurricane hits
and he never sees her again.
But you find out that he spentthese 15 years essentially
looking for her Most of the 15years.
Looking for her and then hegives up, and then his passion
to find her is reignited and thebeautiful thing is he actually
(32:44):
does find her.
I never in a million yearsthought that she was going to be
found.
I thought we were going to findout who killed her.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And that's the crazy thing too, with the storytelling
we're talking about, because agood portion of the show you
feel like you're in a crimemystery kind of thing.
You're really, you're reallynot yeah, so what this is?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
so it's talking about how they leave things
unresolved.
For her, no time has passed.
She thought that she was in thein that water for five minutes.
It's been 15 years, and for him, he's been looking for her for
15 years.
So, essentially, emotionally,they're really in the same place
that they were 15 years ago,and so the question is how do
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they, how do they move forwardand what does that look like?
And that is something we willnever know.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's something we'll never know but it's also
something luna brings up at theend.
So, like that last conversationwhere we end the show and Luna
and Balthazar are having aconversation, luna alludes to
the fact that she's like itlooks pretty, it looks like
everything is all wrapped up,but when you think about it it's
really messed up.
I don't know her exact words,but they're still going to go
(33:58):
through trying to reconcile thisBecause, yeah, that gap of they
don't understand how cellphones work now you know what I
mean.
Like they don't.
Like 15 years has passed them.
There's a lot of work to do.
They're essentially still like22 years old, but they're really
you know what was, I don't knowwhat's, you know that's
something, but you know.
But they're reallysignificantly older.
(34:21):
They missed that chunk of time.
That adjustment is going to besomething being at.
I don't know if they're at thesame emotional place, exactly
like same emotional place asafar, as in loss, yes, but so
much has happened.
They're going to be at justvery different places in life.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
But also if you look at Violet because her dad was
part of the team that went andfound her and never stopped
looking for her is in a verydifferent situation than Sam,
whose parents essentiallythought he was dead and moved on
with their life, and when hecalled them to tell them he was
alive, they hung up on him.
How does he, how does it lookfor him, to walk back into his
(35:04):
family when they thought that hewas gone, and to be the same
age?
Right, they're not like that.
Like they're not.
They're not.
I'm like they're not spookypeople.
No, you know what I mean.
Like they're not spooky peopleyeah that's what I'm saying,
like they're like you, there'sso many places and things that
(35:24):
could have been explored.
And you know, I'm saying likethere, like you, like there's so
many places and things thatcould have been explored.
And you know, and I'm like, ah,unanswered questions continue
to haunt me, right, you know?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I just need, like all these, like streaming platforms
and all these shows like atthis point, like we should not
give y'all no new shows.
Y'all need to finish all theseshows that you started and did
not give us any conclusion forright.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Does it make sense for him to go back to his
parents?
Does it make sense for him tojust go with Violet, because he
accepted?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
because it's only been five minutes for him.
I think he's got to try to gosee his parents.
Yeah, it's like, literally like, and he he had a much difficult
, more difficult time acceptingthe fact that no 15 years has
passed than violence yes, but hewas already having issues with
his parents, not terrible issues, but his dad, like, was really
(36:16):
weird with him well, yeah, hisdad, yeah, well.
and again, differences 2007, youthink your son is possibly gay,
and what that looked like foryou to handle it versus 2022.
And I'm like the son is not gay, but it's a whole bunch of
misunderstandings andmis-signals as to why he thinks
that.
But that's a very differentconversation in 2007 than it is
(36:39):
in 2022.
It is.
And then for the son to still bethere, knowing that his father,
how his father, has beentreating him.
But now it's been 15 yearslater.
The father is probably no bigdeal now.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Like there's a lot of I don't know, because now his
dad is 15 years older, so thegap essentially he's still 22,
yeah, and now his dad is 15years older.
It doesn't necessarily meanthat he's more open minded.
Some people just age.
They don't change with thetimes, they just age, and so now
there was already an age gapbetween them.
Now the age gap is 15 yearswider.
(37:14):
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
I feel like it doesn't bodewell for his relationship with
his parents.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
And I'm not saying I think it's going to work out,
but I'm saying, if for me I sawyou yesterday in my mind, my
thought is not going to be, I'mgoing to give up.
You know what I mean.
So that's why I said, no matterwhat he's going to have to try,
he may end up very well, end upwith Violet, and I hope they
end up together.
They're adorable to me.
Together, I mean, who else isgoing to understand?
(37:47):
No one else is going tounderstand him, provided that
this memory leak don't happenand he don't.
He's not on the slow descent ofmadness, but I would like them
together.
And yeah, nobody else canunderstand them at this point,
but each other.
But he's got to at least try,try.
And those things don't have tobe mutually exclusive.
Like you know what I mean, likeeven you know you can try to
make things work with yourparents.
(38:08):
See if they everybody got tocome with me to explain what
happens, because I'm not goingto right, they're not going to
believe you and we got to.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, the kind of cog in the middle of the wheel of
the story is actually Alejandro,which is kind of funny because
he's not in the middle of thewheel of the story is actually
Alejandro, which is kind offunny because he's not in the
show that much, but if youreally think about it, he kind
of is the cog in the wheel andso he is really good friends
with the author when they wereyounger.
Him and Balthazar are reallyreally great friends.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
That's true, and you learn that For Balthazar and
Balthazar to be mortal enemies,they both had the same best
friend.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Right, right.
And so one of the things thatyou learn is he is experiencing
this memory leakage and itcauses him to go insane.
And then Balthazar says that heends up walking into the ocean.
And I'm like, excuse me, youcan't just say that I need more
information, because I don't.
(39:06):
I don't even know that.
We essentially reallyunderstand what alejandro loses
when he loses his memory.
But once again he's losing hismemory, he's losing his identity
and he's losing his, his holdinto the world, and that
ultimately leads to his, hisdemise.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But we don't even know what he lost he references
it, but we don't know it indetail.
Like he says things like Ican't remember my first love, I
can't remember my family.
You know there's a disconnectbetween him and his family
because nobody knows how he gotto Cantana Roo and there's
different theories of he justwalked out the jungle one day,
which we now know is truebecause he was in Passanje.
(39:45):
But why was he in Quintana Rooin the first place?
Did he live there?
Did he have a family there?
Did his family move there?
We don't know.
There's a theory that he wasrelated to hedge fund managers
and that's why he's there.
Why does he have so muchfreaking money walking out the
jungle for so long time that hecould buy a whole resort?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
yeah, there's a lot of yeah questions around that so
it's like it's he's the, he'slike the center of the loss,
like you know and you.
So it's like you get to seewhat happens when you don't
address it and you can't stopthat feeling of loss and lost
identity because he ends up inthe ocean, like walking into the
(40:24):
ocean and in his death.
And you, like it's, otherpeople are on the journey, you
know what I mean.
Like baldazar is trying tolearn how to like live the life
that he wants with you know,without losing his family, his
family connections.
Violet and and murray are learnyou know how to live without
(40:45):
their mom and their wife and notlose each other.
And it's like, oh, you get tokind of understand what happens
if they don't address it.
What happens if Emma and Noahdon't address you know and get
over their loss and find theirown identities.
What Alejandro is, what happens, you know it's essentially his
(41:09):
death and so it's kind ofbeautiful.
The show is very poetic.
It's very poetic and it asks somany questions too, considering
the show is very lightheartedand it's very it's a comedy
drama.
It's very, very light heartedand it's very it's a comedy
drama.
It's very, very light hearted,but it's like they pack in a lot
(41:32):
of like esoteric, liketheoretical, like you know in,
but they wrap it up in such apretty bow that you, you can
honestly watch the show and notask the questions because you're
just like, oh, that was a crazyfun it's, it's like a disney
ride in the sense that like itgets, like it goes up, it goes
(41:56):
down, you know what I mean andthen it's done, it feels very
quick and so, yes, you couldwatch it and not necessarily ask
any questions.
You're like, oh, that was cute,fun and quirky.
But, if you like, are peoplelike us who are always looking
at, at the art, it's, there's somany layers, it's, there's so
(42:18):
many layers.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Like even OK, so even back to like the beginning.
So, like you know, when likeyou're seeing sam on the plane
and, um, and he's drawing thathe drew that picture of the
scene that he saw on the planeand he's showing it to his then
girlfriend, hannah, and she'slike, well, what's the point?
And he's like, does art have tohave a point?
Does it always have to have ameaning?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
you are right, and that's like that's like.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
To me, that's like the overcast of the whole show.
Does this show have a meaning?
Does it have to have a meaning?
There's so many meanings thatyou could derive for it.
There's so many differentactions you could, but you also
don't have to.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You know what?
That is right.
They said it right, plain inthe beginning.
Mm-hmm, they did.
Oh, I forgot about that.
Mm-hmm man, I need to figureout who I need to see who wrote
this show and see what othershows they've written.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
I think I'm always a little bitnervous when I suggest a show
to you, but honestly, it's neverI don't enjoy the shows that
you suggest.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's like I just sometimes get something
completely different on thisshow than what like what you got
.
We have a lot of things incommon, I just think, of course
our lenses are different Ofcourse, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
The name of the writer is Andy Sierra.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
S-I-A-R-A.
Does it say if he's writtenanything else?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Of course, yes, a lot of things Like other shows, a
lot of short films.
He has another miniseries namedAngeline which is also on
Peacock Lodge 49, a TV seriesComedy drama.
Okay, yeah, we may have to putLodge 49, a TV series comedy
drama, okay yeah, we may have toput.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
We may have to put a couple of those shows on the
wall.
Yeah, maybe we can do a showabout him by examining his works
okay, I will be down for that.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh, and this other one is a limited series.
I don't know why I went into itthinking that this was a
limited series instead of a show.
But yeah, all right, I'm down.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Okay, I like that idea.
I do like that Because he'sdoing something different.
I think we need to applaud andshine light on people who are
doing something different, andit's not to say that you can't
like what's normal and what'spopular, because we like those
things too, you know.
But like I like, right rightbecause I feel like we are both
(44:55):
people who are not above it all.
There are some people who goout of their way to not enjoy
what's popular and feel likethey always have to go against
the grain.
That is not us, we are like.
And to feel like they alwayshave to go against the grain,
that is not us.
We are like.
No, we can like popular stufftoo.
We also like things that arequirky and different.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm like that's my thing.
I'm like I enjoy what I enjoy.
It doesn't have to be a certainlike or highbrow or highbrow
feeling.
If I enjoy it, I enjoy it.
(45:32):
If I don't, I don't, I don't,same same.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
The opposite is also true, like if it's highbrow and
everybody else is like, oh mygod, it's so smart and I think
it's dumb, yeah, but I like, Ilike to.
Yeah, I just like to enjoywhatever experiences that I
enjoy, regardless of you knowwhere it's at.
Absolutely like, I am someonewho's who enjoys examining media
but, I also love vampirediaries and every single spinoff
that it has.
I don't care what you thinkabout like the quality of that
show.
I watch that show and all theirspinoffs every year and will do
(45:56):
that probably for the rest ofmy life, because I'm like I love
a vampire.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I'm sorry and I will.
I love a show like this that Ido think like, asks a lot of
questions and is told in areally interesting way.
I'm also going to watch a veryformulaic crime show as well,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I watched Severance, but I'm also going to watch
Found.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Oh, I did enjoy Found .
Found is a little bit different.
I think you get a little bit ofboth with that.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I'm going to tell you, sometimes I like that
show.
I'm not caught up.
I have to take breaks becauseit's so emotional.
You know what I mean.
These people have really badproblems.
I do have to take breaks fromthe show, but the premise is
good, the acting is good, likeno notes.
It's just my life is heavy, andso sometimes I can't do like
(46:51):
heavy TV, even when it's goodsame same, absolutely I will
take that.
So things to look out for.
There is a show coming out thatstarts at the end of February,
called, I think it's called likegross point society, okay, and
I want to put it on your radar,and so I don't know if, if you,
(47:14):
if we want to watch it as itcomes out, or if we want to wait
till the first season iscomplete and and and watch it,
but I it's, it's on my, it's onmy radar.
I'm not sure yet, but it givesme desperate housewives mixed
(47:34):
with how to get away with murder.
Okay, and I may not be accurate, but that's what I'm getting
the feeling that it could be,and if it is, I'm going the
feeling that it could be, and ifit is, I'm going to be about it
.
So is there anything that'scoming out that you're looking
forward to, girl?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I feel like, as soon as you asked me, that my mind
goes blank.
I'm putting in stuff I'm sure.
Oh goodness, let's see what'scoming out now.
There are shows that I have toforget exist because it takes so
long.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Oh goodness, let's see what's coming out Now.
There are shows that I have toforget exist because it takes so
long for the next season.
I'm, of course, looking forwardto the next season of
Bridgerton, but I have topretend Bridgerton does not
exist because it takes foreverfor the next season to come out.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
You're just not going to stress me.
I can't even think of a thingthat's coming out that's fresh.
But what I do want us to get toeventually, we don't have to do
it.
Next is DR from Detroit.
Oh no, no, no, if you like this, I think you, and for very
different reasons, for just thatelement, not for all the
magical realism and all thatkind of stuff, but like for that
(48:38):
element of avoiding yourproblems by diving into
something that has nothing to dowith you.
That element I think you willenjoy, so that I am looking
forward to us reviewing.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Okay.
So yeah, like that'll be likewithin the next three that we
can review.
Okay, because we still have toreview Meet Millie Black.
I forgot about that.
I have like like the lastepisode to watch, but I really I
gotta I have to up my medsbefore I watch that last episode
(49:11):
no up my meds.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
We gotta review a cartoon or something before we
get to Billy Black.
And it's a good show, it'sreally good, but it's heavy it
is.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
It is.
Yeah, we're gonna need a palatecleanser.
Maybe I'll watch the Witchercartoon or something.
The Witcher cartoon yes,there's a cartoon.
They have the Witcher show, butthen they also have the
cartoons.
Okay, do you watch the Witcher?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I watched one season with you and then, yeah, just
lost interest.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Oh, okay.
I got like really excited.
It's my thing Like that.
You know, like that is me,that's the kind of stuff I'm
into.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I didn't get into season two, but I just couldn't.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
You know what, honestly, it's interesting like
as far as like storytelling andnot being linear.
Honestly, it's interesting likeas far as like storytelling and
not being linear, like it'sactually it's one of the it's
good in that in that way.
So, but you know it's notreally your thing.
I like witches.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I like old school, I like you know that kind of stuff
.
I do like magic.
It is specifically that show,like it has all the elements of
things that I do, like I thinkwhat is it?
Because he mumbles like I willtell you a random, this is a
random thing.
This is very true.
(50:42):
This is more true for me foraudiobooks.
I love audiobooks, but, like,if the narrator's voice is
annoying, it does not matter howgood the book is.
I'm either gonna have to switchthe paper or we just not like.
No, I can't do, and I I feellike maybe it's the mumbling,
like I get to a point where Idon't care what he's saying.
It's not worth me trying tofigure it out.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Well, no, I agree with audiobooks, like I was.
I was watched, I was readingthe book, and then the first
book was really good and I'mlistening to the sequel and the
sequel was it was, honestly, itwas terrible.
I would have finished it,though, if one.
(51:29):
This one had like multipleauthors and but the there was
one woman and the way that shewas reading it was grating
through my.
It was like it was killing meand I'm like this book is not
even good.
It's not even good I and I.
I did not finish it, and thatis so rare for me to not finish
a book, but I'm like the I'm'mgoing to throw my phone the next
time she comes on the page, andso I just didn't finish it.
Which is so interesting how youhave such a.
(51:52):
The first book is so good andsuch a good premise, and the
second book you clearly just didnot have anything in you, and
so it just gets long and weird,absolutely, and I like when
things get weird, but it wasjust weird for weird sake.
It wasn't going anywhere, itwas like going in circles, it
was.
It was terrible.
But, um, do you ever havesomeone who writes a book and
(52:16):
that you enjoy it and you keepchecking back to see if they've
like written more or written asequel.
Um, I don't, I don't know.
Like I no, not really.
I have one book that I readsome years ago and I keep
checking on this author and I'mlike, girl, will you keep
(52:39):
writing?
Like, will you keep writing,will you make a sequel, please?
Like I enjoy this world you'vecreated, I enjoy the characters
and I'm just like it's probablytime for me to check again.
I'm just I'm gonna and I'm I'mso close to writing a letter.
I'm so close to writing, whichis so you know, that's like, so,
not me to contact somebody, butI'm just like I'm.
(53:04):
I'm like I'm so close towriting a letter, I'm like,
listen, just let me know ifyou're going to do it or not.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
If you're not going to do it, just tell me and I
will stop checking on you andmaybe that's why I love that
scene with Balthazar so much isbecause I wasn't that kid as
like a brat, but I was the kidthat would write a letter to an
author because I would writescenes in Living Color and mail
(53:34):
them.
Now I now realize as an adultthat my mother was probably
sending those to the same placewherever the Santa Claus letters
go, but I was writing skits forLive at Color and mailing them
off.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
That is hilarious, because my first question was
where did you get the address tosend it to?
And now you're like, no, thatwas my mom's job.
And if they even made it to thepost, office Girl.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
She probably got them and, for whatever reason, I
think I put them on index cards.
She probably got them and I put, for whatever reason, I think I
put them on index cards.
She probably got them somewherein her garage.
But my mother, she still waslike, yeah, okay, baby, you can
do it.
And I'm like, yeah, they'regonna love this one.
They did a show that was veryclose to one of the scenes and
(54:23):
you couldn't tell me that Ididn't write it.
And you couldn't tell me that Ididn't write it.
You couldn't tell me.
I am so serious I cannotremember what they called the
person.
I wrote, basically a one thatwas like if Arnold
Schwarzenegger was Black, Ican't remember.
I think I referred to they didan episode and they called him
(54:44):
Ram Bro.
I think I referred to they didan episode and they called it
Ram Bro.
I think I wrote.
When I wrote it it was likeartist towards a Negro.
But listen, let me tell you.
Let me tell you what my childself told me.
I was like, oh, they had tochange it.
The producers probably madethem change it because it was
too they didn't want to use theword Negro, but they used my
(55:05):
sketch.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
That is so cute and so hilarious.
But it goes to show that youwere very talented as a child.
You're coming up with the sameideas that professionals are
coming up with.
That is actually so like.
That shows like you've beentalented your entire life.
But that is so cute.
You like yeah, I need to keepsending them stuff because
(55:29):
obviously they're doing it andthey're using it because my
dream was not to be like infront of the camera.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
It was like I want to be a writer on In Living Color,
because, of course, I thoughtIn Living Color was going to
last forever.
So I was like no.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
I would be an adult.
Snl is still on In Living Colorwas going to last forever.
So I was like, no, I would bean adult.
If SNL is still on In LivingColor should still be on.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Girl.
I was having that conversationyesterday.
Why are we still doing this?
But yes, I wanted to be awriter on In Living Color In my
mind for several years I was.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
But yeah, I would pay cash money to get a hold of
those index cards.
Call your mom I will not,because you know she's going to
look for them.
That's what I'm like sheprobably still has them and tell
her that is what I want for mybirthday this year, as I want
those index cards you know she'sgoing to watch the show and if
(56:23):
she can find it, she's going tosend it to you, you, actually,
you know she's going to watchthe show and if she can find it,
she's going to send it to you.
You, actually, you know she'sour biggest fan.
So, yes, and now I'm reallyhonestly probably going to get
those cards for my birthdayBecause, yeah, she's going to
look for them and if she findsthem, she's going to send them
to me.
She will, she will, and thatwill be a very special episode.
(56:43):
Oh, she will, and that will bea very special episode.
Oh my God, because I'm readingthem all.
Maybe we can recreate some.
This could get really cute.
Oh my God, this could getreally, really cute.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I know I should have told you.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
And what is hilarious is we've known each other and
we've been close for so manyyears.
I cannot believe.
You told me a story I had neverheard before.
That's mind-blowing.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
I don't know, I'm so connected with that part of the
show.
It was so adorable.
I don't know that I would havedone it to give notes, but
definitely I was like, no, I'mwriting, they're going to use my
scene, they're totally gonnause my sketch she was like.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
I'm trying to prove to them that I'm ready for the
writer's room girl.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
I was like, because I want to set up a job, when I
get, when I get out this house,I'm gonna have a job I'm gonna
do something with my life, I'venever seen someone who was born
and immediately started tryingto move out.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
I'm like you, like I got to go, I got stuff to do,
and I'm like it's only 18 years,but you're like 18 years is too
long.
And what makes it hilarious isthat we refer to your family as
like rainbows and butterfliesand like care bears, and you
(58:10):
were like I gotta go, I gotta goand your house was like the
house, but we like we needJessica house.
They got all the good snacks,all the good candy.
They got all the sodas, like myparents are so sweet and nice,
they're going to buy us seafoodand take us places.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
We should have all the good snacks, definitely have
all the sodas.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
I have a wonderful family.
I'm trapped, I'm trapped, I'mtrapped in paradise.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
One independence.
I don't know why, I don't knowwhy, I don't know why, but like
even like when I was, when I waslittle, like that's what I'm
saying.
Like when you write in thesesketches.
I was so when I was little.
Every every career I exploredwas was real.
I'm trapped in paradise.
(59:02):
It wasn't because I was upsetwith them, I just thought that
was my job.
When I used to paint as alittle as like a 4 or 5 year old
, I would paint pictures andthen walk around the
neighborhood and sell them yougotta get to this money because
I was like I gotta see if I canmake this as a career.
(59:22):
and then when I got like 8 and Irealized that my drawings and
my pictures were terrible, I waslike why were got to see if I
can make this as a career?
And then when I got like eightand I realized that my drawings
and my pictures were terrible, Iwas like why were these people
buying them?
Y'all really bought thesehorrible pictures.
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (59:33):
Y'all had me thinking that I could do this a long
time.
Y'all had me wasting my time.
I thought this was aninternship that could lead to a
career.
Oh God, we've gotten out ofsync.
Yes, we have, but I mean thelast, like seven or eight
minutes, are literally just holdon.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
I can't hear you at all.
I'm gonna stop.
I'm gonna stop.
Hi guys, welcome back to next episode with Nick and
Jess, and today we are finishingour discussion of the resort.
Yes, so some of the like themesthat I saw in the show loss was
definitely a big theme, thatwas a big one.
Also, like, searching foridentity was a theme that I
(00:23):
found, and I think as we get toexplore the relationships
between the characters, like, wekind of see like those things
come out.
So, of course, like, as youwere watching the show, you find
out that the issues in betweentheir marriage, emma and noah
(00:45):
noah I'm sorry because you know,I just want to call him
cheating between emma and noahcenters, um, that they
experienced a pregnancy loss andso when she lost the baby, she
was far enough along that sheactually had to deliver it, and
so noah actually saw the baby.
But in that moment, um, emmadecided not to and she.
(01:07):
That's something that she'sregretted and it's also
something that noah knows thatshe regrets and he kind of he's
trying I feel like he's tryingto heal that wound for her.
But he can't that, he can't,that he can't, and I think that
(01:30):
that, honestly, is somethingthat happens a lot in marriage,
like where someone is having anissue and their partner is
trying to solve that issue forthem and that's not really what
they need.
Yeah, and so you're like, I'mtrying to help you, I'm trying
to help you another person's,like, if you want to help me,
(01:50):
like, be what I need you to be,not what you think I need.
Yeah and I.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I just think that that's something that's very
common to marriages it is, and Ialso think that she doesn't
know what she needs, so shedoesn't know you don't mean like
you can't she can't.
She's not communicating what herneeds are very well either, and
I don't.
I think that's because shedoesn't know what they are.
She just knows she doesn't likewhat he's doing and she says
several times he's treating herlike she's a baby.
She feels like ever since shelost the baby, everybody treats
(02:17):
her like she's broken and andshe is kind of getting resentful
of that and I do understandthat.
But I also think like, yeah,she doesn't know.
Ok, but what do you want him totreat you?
Or like what does support looklike?
You know Right?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Right.
And so what was interesting isI have I've also experienced
pregnancy loss, and so my mindwas very early in in my
pregnancy, but I really had ahard time with it.
(02:52):
And I think I was having a hardtime and a lot of people didn't
even realize how hard I washaving it, because I did keep it
to myself.
Yeah, because I honestly didnot know, I didn't know how to
explain it to two people,because a lot of people were
like oh, you know what, just tryagain.
(03:13):
You know, and for me, I wasscared that I could never even
get pregnant in the first place,scared that I could never even
get pregnant in the first place.
And so when I did get pregnant,I was so excited and when I lost
the baby, I was so devastatedand scared that I was I'm like,
oh, something's wrong with me,because I have a husband who has
(03:37):
kids from previousrelationships, very fertile, has
no problem impregnating someone, and I had never been pregnant
in my entire life and at thatpoint I was in my mid-30s, so I
knew like any fertility issueswere coming from my end.
And so, like when I lost thebaby, I'm like, oh, you know
(03:58):
what?
Am I incapable of having achild there.
I also know like on my father'sside of the family there are
fertility issues, and so all ofthese things were weighing on me
and I'm like, did I dosomething wrong?
I thought I did all the researchand I it also.
(04:22):
I felt like feelings also, andso I was suffering in silence
for a very, very long time, andso I understood her feelings of
loss and I understood feelinglike no one can really
(04:43):
understand what you have goingon, because everybody handles
loss differently and it looksdifferent, you know, for
different people.
And when her, her partner, wasreaching out to her, and so I, I
, I didn't have that experiencewhere my partner could see my
(05:06):
pain, and so I wonder in thatsituation, how I would have
handled it, if it would havebeen something that have helped
me or, like her, if it wouldhave made it worse.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I don't know, yeah, there's there's no way to know.
And I think, yeah, I think it'sabout how, and I guess maybe
know yeah, there's no way toknow.
And I think, yeah, I think it'sabout how, and I guess, maybe,
about that person Like, I thinkshe I don't know that she didn't
want to be reached out to, butmore so I think she still wanted
her to treat him like she,treat her like she was the full
person she was before thishappened.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And I don't and I think that's kind of the thing
that she wasn't getting, thatmade that reaching out not
really feel like a rich, youknow, like the support she
needed.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What's also interesting is like she was
talking about like having issueswith her identity and this is a
funny thing, because this isalso something that I
experienced when I got married.
Like having to change my lastname was very traumatic for me
because, I did.
I did feel like I was losing myidentity and the person that I
(06:17):
was.
And the funny thing is I wasvery attached to my last name.
I'm not very attached to mybiological father, it wasn't
like but I was attached to mylast name and it'm not very
attached to my biological father, but I was attached to my last
name and it was a part of myidentity and I felt like
everything that I have ever donein my life, all the things that
I have accomplished and all ofmy great memories.
(06:37):
I was one person.
And then, when I got married, Ireally drug my feet on changing
my last name.
My husband was like I don'tunderstand, don't you want to
have the same last name as me?
Like we're together and I'mlike it's not that I have an
issue, like being with you, butI feel like I'm losing me.
(07:01):
I do think that that is yeah, Iget that, I get that I'm losing
me.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I do think that that is yeah, I get that.
I get that Like because you areand one you had a really great
last name, like you just had areally wonderful, unique last
name, but also like that's theperson that you've been and you
have to think like who am I, whois this new person with this
different name?
And we are attached to ournames.
So I get that.
(07:25):
I think a lot of married womengo through that.
It was.
I mean I, I changed my when Idid get married.
I changed my name quickly, butI definitely went through that
period of who is this person andthen getting divorced and I'm
like I'm going back to that.
But that was a much easiertransition.
Go back to marriage, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I think it's.
I think the things that Emma isgoing through is a combination
of those two things.
It's something that I thinkwomen experience it differently.
For some reason, when you getmarried, it just seems like your
husband stays a whole personand you're supposed to, to a
(08:08):
certain extent, meld into themand it's it.
It's awkward and it doesn't.
It doesn't work.
You, at some point, you're you.
You you feel this need toreassert your identity and
create this life for yourself.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, and she says that directly.
She's like we're still supposedto be two separate people.
We're not two separate peopleanymore.
We don't have our own friends,we don't have our own you know
all those kind of things.
She kind of goes to that, andso I do agree.
I think she is searching foridentity on several different
levels, like who she was beforeshe lost the baby, who she is
(08:51):
now dealing with that pain andstill living with that pain.
She's lost that element ofchemistry that they had at the
beginning of them being a couple, but at the same time, she
wants a separate identity.
She does not want to be just apart of a couple.
So it's a lot of things thatshe's grappling with and I think
but I think, you know, go backto like you saying like he's
(09:13):
reaching out and giving support,but she's not receiving it.
But I'm like I don't.
She needs a professionalsupport.
You know what I mean.
Yes, like you know, like Idon't, like I don't think he has
the ability to do it, notbecause he's like not a good
person, but just because, likethat's a lot of stuff to grapple
with at once.
And yeah, and she does seemdepressed.
(09:36):
You know, she really does.
She seems like really scaredwhat I think.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think that Noah feels like it's his job to be
everything to her and he'strying to do that, but that you
can't be somebody's everything.
It's not healthy.
So, yes, I agree, he does needprofessional help and he's
(10:03):
trying to heal her and that'snot his job, his role or his
responsibility.
Right, you know, hisresponsibility would be to
encourage her to get help.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
He's trying to be her caregiver and what she needs is
a partner, and I guess I thinkthat's what she's trying to say
to some degree, like you knowwhat I mean.
She's like you treat me like ababy, you treat me like a broken
, and he does have this verycaregiver aspect or um, in the
way that he talks to her, in theway he kind of monitors what
she does, um, and that's notwhat she wants right and I can
(10:37):
see that and it's like he youcan tell that he's a good person
and you can tell that he reallyloves and cares about her.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, but that does not mean that what he's doing is
the best for her, and I thinkthat's really important that
sometimes we have to listen.
When we're trying to helpsomeone, we have to listen and
make sure that we're helpingthem in the way that they need,
(11:05):
not in the way that we arewilling to help, because I think
if he had stepped back from thesituation, I think he would
have been able to see that, likeyou're suffocating her in a way
and you're losing the chemistryis not there, because it's
(11:27):
turning into a parent-childrelationship versus a married
couple relationship.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And that's always going to kill the chemistry.
Right, that is always going tokill the chemistry.
And I do agree, and I think thatthat kind of overbearing kind
of thing is because he is sodesperate not to lose this
relationship Anytime somebodybrings up divorce or separation.
Another set of characters wehave are the two Teds.
They meet another marriedcouple who have this really
(11:55):
interesting philosophy onmarriage where they reevaluate
their marriage every seven years.
They go on a vacation Afterthat.
They kind of talk about therelationship and see if they're
going to continue for the nextseven years.
When Noah meets them he hits itoff with the Ted's and he says
that's terrifying.
And then every time anyoneanywhere near mentions like oh,
(12:18):
there's something wrong withtheir relationship, you can see
the tear on his face.
Sometimes he says that he's.
You know, I think he is sodesperate Like that that pushes
like to try to hold on to thisrelationship.
So he's just like what is it?
You know?
Like he's almost like a hoverparent, you know, at this point
right, so his greatest fear islosing his wife.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Her greatest fear is losing herself.
Yeah, and so that's that'swhere.
That's where they are, she, he,he feels like you know she's,
she's got all this distance andshe's moving away from me and
he's trying to just grab her andhold her tighter, tighter and
tighter and tighter.
Meanwhile, she's like I don'tknow who I am anymore.
(13:00):
All I am is a person in thisrelationship.
I need to figure out who I am,and it's like the things that
he's doing to like hold on toher is only making her, her
situation worse, and so it'slike things are only
deteriorating between them, theyboth need help.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
But like, here's the thing.
But to you know, to like.
It does not make it any better,though that she keeps doing
dangerous shit, you know what Imean.
Like he's already in her parentmode and she keeps doing the
most.
I like her going on thismystery, like, honestly, truly
like we wouldn't have a story ifshe didn't do it, but like it
makes no sense.
(13:41):
She's taking risks that don'tneed to be taken.
So one of the things with thisthat they come across as a part
of this mystery and pretty earlyon in the mystery, after they
find the phone and after theystart exploring and trying to
figure out what happened is thatthere's this message in the
phone that says don't fuck withthe yellow snake.
It has four noses.
They come to realize that thisstory has something to do with a
(14:04):
very famous family in the areacalled the Frears family, who
has a lot of power and influence, and that message is every time
they encounter people are likedon't fuck with the other sex,
don't do it, don't do it, don'tdo it.
And they keep doing it, and shekeeps getting deeper and deeper
.
They get chased in, they getchased out of like a.
They get chased out of like amarketplace, um, she is not
(14:28):
taking care of herself.
She loses a tooth, um, and shedoesn't tell him, like she just
keeps taking all these differentrisks with her life and he was
already in her parent's ownRight.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yes, her behavior is irrational and I understand
she's acting out because she'strying to find some measure of
control.
I agree that the stuff thatshe's doing is stupid and
dangerous.
I'm not trying to make excusesfor her poor behavior.
I just understand the root ofit.
She's acting she's literallyacting out, yeah, like a
(15:03):
rebellious child almost likeRight which is crazy because
she's like oh you, yeah like arebellious child, almost like
him Right, which is crazybecause she's like oh, you treat
me like a child, but thenyou're also acting like one.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
The more he treats her like a child, the more she
acts like a child.
It's this weird cycle thatthey're in.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So, yeah, so that they both need therapists.
And, the funny thing, they'renot the only ones who experience
loss.
The Freas family we meet one ofthe people and his name is
Balthazar.
He's the rebellious one in hisfamily because they're famous
(15:38):
tailors, fashion designers.
That's how they built theirfortune.
Designers, um, and that's howthey built their fortune.
And although balthazar is anextremely talented tailor very,
very creative, especially, ifyou like, over the top things
because alan alan cumming wouldlove him, um, it would be
besties he actually wants to bea detective, which in his family
(16:02):
is not respected and it's seenas a joke.
And because he has this desireto live his own life and to be
more than just a free us, heends up running away and going
to the resort, um, but he, he,at some point he ends up going
back to his family and so,basically, like, his thing is
(16:25):
like, what he's lost is thedesire to like, live the life
that he wants and to be seenoutside of his family name like
he wants to.
He wants to be able to like, bea detective and be seen as
Balthazar and not be seen as aFrias and not have the
(16:46):
expectation that I have to, youknow be a tailor, because even
when he left and was working atthe hotel and like as head of
security and really enjoyed it,did you notice he was still
making clothes?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yes, I did Like I'm like.
He gets up every morning andsews a new outfit.
Like if you look at his clothes, they are so ornate and like,
sometimes even specific, likeone of the last scenes.
We see one of the last suitsthat he sews.
He has a scene from theadventure that he sewed into the
back of his garment.
Like our little sister, I thinkhe gets up every day before
(17:21):
work.
When I used to do that beforeschool, I think he does up every
day before work.
When I was a sister, he used todo that before school.
Yes, I think he does that Everymorning Because I don't think
that he does it.
I think he enjoys it, but Ijust don't think he.
That's all he was and he'sparticularly talented.
So his mother is actually theone who made the Freest name
famous and popular because shewas so talented and everyone in
(17:43):
the family said he was even moretalented than her, and so then
there was even more pressure or,I think you know, friction when
he did not go into the familybusiness.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Right, because once again we're talking about loss
and identity and so like hewants to be more than just a
tailor.
Just because you are good atsomething, just because you're
excellent at something, does notmean that you have to devote
your life to it.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Right, even if it's something you enjoy doing it,
because I do think it'ssomething he enjoys doing.
There's scenes where you seehim and he's in his room and
he's sewing.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
But he wants to be more than that.
You know what I mean.
And they're telling him you canonly be this one thing you have
to conform and you have to bethis person because our family
is so important.
And so he has a loss of freedom.
He wants to hide who he is.
He can't.
I really.
He would like to exist in theworld and he tries, and he does
(18:41):
try, he works really hard.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
His family is too famous.
He changes his name, he goes tothe store, he takes a job of
security, but his family's sofamous, everyone knows who he is
.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Right, and so once again, it's pressure.
You know what I mean, becausehe's trying to create an
identity and people won't lethim just be Balthazar.
Now him as a child.
I know that you thought it washilarious, I was like as a child
(19:12):
.
I'm like this child is annoying.
And I'm gonna tell you thefirst letter.
I did not have an issue withthe first letter.
He wrote to the author, causeI'm like, oh, he's a little kid,
he's writing to the author.
It's when the author pushedback against what he said.
And then he's like sending himanother nasty letter and I'm
like, well, people are allowedto be creative.
(19:33):
Like, if you didn't enjoy thestuff, the story, okay, don't
buy another one of my books.
But why are you harassing me?
And you know your family isrich and powerful what?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
okay, that scene is my favorite scene in the show.
It is hilarious.
I like it because one it showsBalthazar is Balthazar from the
beginning to the end becauseeven how he does detective, he
is a dog with a bone he won'tlet go.
He asks invasive questions thatare way too personal, gets all
in people's business and he'sjust one of those people who
(20:03):
says whatever he thinks.
He does not have a concept forhow you might take it, and he
was that when he was a child andI think that's why, also, I
love that scene.
It's like that is always whoBalthazar has been.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, but is that because he grew up super
privileged you don't have tothink about the consequences of
what you say or how what you'redoing affects other people
because he's very, veryprivileged.
It's the way that he went tovisit his friend and was like oh
, you know what, stop workingand come on this adventure.
She's like I got bills.
What are you talking about?
You know what I mean?
He, he's not in touch with thereal, with the real world.
(20:40):
This is why he can move the waythat he moves.
I did enjoy his interviews,though, because it was like are
you a detective or are youtrying to be a therapist?
Because his detecting is verytherapizing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It is very therapizing, but not in a way
that's helpful.
It's just invasive.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know what?
Yes, I agree it is.
It comes across as if he'sasking therapeutic questions.
Yes, that's how it comes across, but he actually is just being
extremely invasive.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Extremely invasive but it does like.
But it still has that benefitof getting people to think about
and admit to stuff themselvesthat they don't want to.
So it's like, in a weird way,in the worst way, he's like the
most blunt therapist you couldever have, but it still works.
I want to go back real quick tothe letter writing.
Ilani Barra also knows thatthat's a child and that he goes
(21:34):
back and forth with I was goingto make that point too.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It takes a special kind of person to have a vicious
argument with a child argumentwith a child.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
The argument that the author of the book, ilan Ibarra
, and that Balthazar are havingis so heated At one point.
Balthazar tells him that thebinding of your book is only
good for toilet paper.
Excuse me as I wipe.
Ilan Ibarra knows this as achild the whole time, because he
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identifies himself as a childin the first letter and he's
like what?
10 or 11 I would say he lookedlike 9, very young, and at the
end he's like somebody shouldend you, maybe I will make you
disappear, or something likethat to a child.
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So Ilhan ain't all the wayreptile either.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
When we meet him, he is everything that I thought he
was going to be Everything.
When I'm like, what kind ofperson would would like argue
with a child?
That person, that person wouldlike I, I like that.
When you meet him, you're like,oh yeah, no, you are the type
of person who would have avicious argument with a child
(22:53):
and could I tell you, louiseguzman, and that part, I loved
every bit of it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I don't know who else could have played that like
that.
I enjoyed him so much and hewas perfect.
He played that part perfectly.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Nobody else could have played that part but him.
Nobody else, Because I'm likeyou're a terrible person.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You're a terrible person.
Well, I don't know if I wouldcall him a terrible person.
He's funny to me.
Well, I guess, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But anyway, you can do both.
He's entertaining, he'sentertaining.
That's what it is he's soentertaining.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
You are not a good person.
But yes, I full on believe thatyou had a full on argument with
a child that he's eccentric,he's over the top.
It's questionable whether ornot he's actually a good writer.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I don't think that he is, because the story was real.
He was basically telling thestory of what him and his best
friend who you found out thatAlejandro is actually his best
friend, and this happened whenthey were younger is doing, so
he didn't even create a fantasyworld or anything like that.
He's just telling the story ofwhat happened, and that's why
there's no ending, becausethere's two different books.
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There's two different books.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
There's two different books, so, like the book that
Balthazar reads is called ElEspejo, that's supposed to be a
detective novel.
That's the one he's going titfor tat for him about.
The book that the mother wroteis the mother read and it has.
It's like In.
English, it would be theIllusion of Time, but it's like
el illusion de tiempo, somethinglike that, but it means the
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illusion of time.
Really good title, though, andso there are two separate books
going on Balthazar, becauseBalthazar, remember, he's really
into detective novels, and sohe's like I read a lot of
detective novels.
This sucks.
I believe him, though, Ibelieve him too, and he, I
believe him too, and he was likeit's only 68 pages, but, you
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saw, the Illusion of Time ishuge.
So, yeah, those are twoseparate books, both of which
have a lot of criticism.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Okay, that makes more sense now, because I'm just
like okay, that makes more sense, because I'm like well, why
would there be a crime in thebook about their adventures
looking for this place?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, he's reading what is supposed to
be his detective novel.
That's only 68 pages, but stilldidn't have an ending.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
So, yeah, I agree with.
It's not that I disagree withBalthazar that the book was
probably bad, but writing andgoing back and forth with the
author is crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, it's everything .
But that's Balthazar Like.
You know what I mean.
It's not that he's necessarilywrong about the things he said,
it's just nobody else would justsay them to people's face like
that, right, you know what Imean?
He has no, he has no filter.
He has no filter.
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He has no compassion.
Really, that's almost the thing.
It's almost like him and Elonare almost different sides of
the same coin.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Right, that's very true.
Actually, capuzon is not aterrible person, he's not
terribly sensitive.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
He's intelligent, but yeah, he's's insensitive.
He's incredibly insensitive andso okay.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So, getting back to the loss, the theme of loss
throughout the show, I want totalk about Violet and her dad.
Okay and so because then ofcourse, I don't know her dad's
name, oh god, not that one.
I call him.
His name in real life is nickofferman.
Okay, I was like not learningit was too many names in the
show for only eight episodesthat I feel like they didn't
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give me enough time to learneverybody's name, because I'm
like, okay, it's two guys.
And then I'm like there's, forsome reason, the helicopter
pilot being named Abigail.
I could remember her name, butthen I could not remember the
name of his best friend, whoused to be the maid Luna.
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I don't know, I didn't haveenough time to learn everybody's
names.
I'm like I need more episodesif you want me to remember this
many characters.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Nick Offerman's name is Mary so yeah, I never did
anyone use his name onlyBalthazar, I think because I'm
like, I feel like his name wasthrough this whole thing they
called him Mr Thompson for somereason, but like I think, only
because him and Balthazar soundlike they went on some
adventures afterwards trying tofind them too.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I have thoughts about that.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
That's the other thing If we're getting spinoffs
or sideshows.
I know we didn't even get asecond season, but I would watch
the adventures of Murray andBalthazar.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I was not even sure if the things that he was saying
were true.
I want to talk about that, butlet's put it to the next.
Talk about it after we, afterwe talk about the situation,
because, okay, so when you meetviolet and and her dad, murray,
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you find out that Violet wantedto go to this resort for
Christmas, and it's been a yearsince Violet's lost her mom and
he lost his wife.
Now it sounds like they had anagreement before they got there
that they would be vacationingat the same place, but not
together.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, they were going to meet at the same place, but
not together.
They were going to meet at thesame place and do their own
thing.
Which is very strange becauseit's Christmas and this is your
only parent and this is youronly child, and you just lost
your mom and your wife a yearago.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
So there was already like that was weird between the
two of them.
But I now realize that thereason why Violet wanted to go
to that resort is because shewanted to find Pasaje, Right?
I don't think I honestly didnot put all of that together
until I got to the end and hadto think about everything that I
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experienced and I'm like, oh,that's why she wanted to go to
that resort.
Her plan was always to findPasaje so she could go see her
mom, which is why she told herdad, hey, like let's not really
hang, because she wanted herspace to find, you know, to find
the place.
And I thought that that wasreally interesting, because I'm
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like you lost your mom, but yourdad is right there, and so
you'd rather go and search andhope that you would somehow meet
your mom.
Based on a book.
It was like a lot, it was asmall.
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It's like there's a smallchance that your mom is in the
space between time and you cango and hang out with her, versus
actually spending time withyour actual dad, who's alive and
paid for this luxuriousvacation for you.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And there's a decent dad for the times.
You know what I mean Like he'snot.
You know he doesn't seem like abad guy A little bit To me.
He handles things like a guy.
You know what I mean.
So he mentioned at one pointyou see him break down saying my
daughter wanted to go on thisvacation but she didn't want to
spend time with me.
And I see him making these likebids towards spending time with
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her that I think she misses.
But, like you said, she'sfocused on Pasaje and seeing her
mom.
But like he also does not sayanything to her directly, he'll
say something like hey, I wasgoing to go see the dolphins
later, or if you want to dosomething, we could do something
together.
And she's like hey, I was goingto do this, but if you want to
do something, instead of justsaying, hey, I want to see, I
want to spend time with you, orlet's go here together.
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Like he says it in a roundaboutway.
That just strikes me as verymale.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
But like you, can see he wants to spend time with his
daughter.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
He does, and she just does not pick up on it.
But like I'm like, but youcould have also said that a
little bit more directly.
That's all I'm, that's my onlything.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Right, it's like he's afraid of rejection.
Oh, I can see that, but I thinkhe should have said something
like you know, I really missyour mom too.
I'm lonely, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think you should have said more.
She was not picking up on thoseclues, because her mind, what
you realize you don't realizewhy, but you realize later her
mind is on Pasaje.
And I think Violet is one ofthose people too who could be
like, because she doesn't seemlike she's sad or upset.
She's people too like, whocould be like because she
doesn't seem like she's sad orupset.
She's one of those people whocan smile on the outside and his
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toe up on the inside.
You know so like she is clearly.
You realize at that howdedicated she is to go to Pasaya
and find this thing, how hardshe's really taken her mother's
death.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
but on the surface she seems like this light, airy
person, and so you don't see itright, she gives like a manic
pixie, hippie girl, hippie girlvibes and so like you're
watching them both like gothrough, like the motions of
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loss and so, and for her, likethe way that she's handling
losing her mom is trying to findher and he's trying to like
hold on to her because that'sall he has left, and then he
loses her because she disappearsduring the hurricane, like
right before the hurricane hitsshe goes off into the jungle.
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He has no clue where she is,and so then the hurricane hits
and he never sees her again.
But you find out that he spentthese 15 years essentially
looking for her Most of the 15years.
Looking for her and then hegives up, and then his passion
to find her is reignited and thebeautiful thing is he actually
(32:44):
does find her.
I never in a million yearsthought that she was going to be
found.
I thought we were going to findout who killed her.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And that's the crazy thing too, with the storytelling
we're talking about, because agood portion of the show you
feel like you're in a crimemystery kind of thing.
You're really, you're reallynot yeah, so what this is?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
so it's talking about how they leave things
unresolved.
For her, no time has passed.
She thought that she was in thein that water for five minutes.
It's been 15 years, and for him, he's been looking for her for
15 years.
So, essentially, emotionally,they're really in the same place
that they were 15 years ago,and so the question is how do
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they, how do they move forwardand what does that look like?
And that is something we willnever know.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's something we'll never know but it's also
something luna brings up at theend.
So, like that last conversationwhere we end the show and Luna
and Balthazar are having aconversation, luna alludes to
the fact that she's like itlooks pretty, it looks like
everything is all wrapped up,but when you think about it it's
really messed up.
I don't know her exact words,but they're still going to go
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through trying to reconcile thisBecause, yeah, that gap of they
don't understand how cellphones work now you know what I
mean.
Like they don't.
Like 15 years has passed them.
There's a lot of work to do.
They're essentially still like22 years old, but they're really
you know what was, I don't knowwhat's, you know that's
something, but you know.
But they're reallysignificantly older.
(34:21):
They missed that chunk of time.
That adjustment is going to besomething being at.
I don't know if they're at thesame emotional place, exactly
like same emotional place asafar, as in loss, yes, but so
much has happened.
They're going to be at justvery different places in life.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
But also if you look at Violet because her dad was
part of the team that went andfound her and never stopped
looking for her is in a verydifferent situation than Sam,
whose parents essentiallythought he was dead and moved on
with their life, and when hecalled them to tell them he was
alive, they hung up on him.
How does he, how does it lookfor him, to walk back into his
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family when they thought that hewas gone, and to be the same
age?
Right, they're not like that.
Like they're not.
They're not.
I'm like they're not spookypeople.
No, you know what I mean.
Like they're not spooky peopleyeah that's what I'm saying,
like they're like you, there'sso many places and things that
(35:24):
could have been explored.
And you know, I'm saying likethere, like you, like there's so
many places and things thatcould have been explored.
And you know, and I'm like, ah,unanswered questions continue
to haunt me, right, you know?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I just need, like all these, like streaming platforms
and all these shows like atthis point, like we should not
give y'all no new shows.
Y'all need to finish all theseshows that you started and did
not give us any conclusion forright.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Does it make sense for him to go back to his
parents?
Does it make sense for him tojust go with Violet, because he
accepted?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
because it's only been five minutes for him.
I think he's got to try to gosee his parents.
Yeah, it's like, literally like, and he he had a much difficult
, more difficult time acceptingthe fact that no 15 years has
passed than violence yes, but hewas already having issues with
his parents, not terrible issues, but his dad, like, was really
(36:16):
weird with him well, yeah, hisdad, yeah, well.
and again, differences 2007, youthink your son is possibly gay,
and what that looked like foryou to handle it versus 2022.
And I'm like the son is not gay, but it's a whole bunch of
misunderstandings andmis-signals as to why he thinks
that.
But that's a very differentconversation in 2007 than it is
(36:39):
in 2022.
It is.
And then for the son to still bethere, knowing that his father,
how his father, has beentreating him.
But now it's been 15 yearslater.
The father is probably no bigdeal now.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Like there's a lot of I don't know, because now his
dad is 15 years older, so thegap essentially he's still 22,
yeah, and now his dad is 15years older.
It doesn't necessarily meanthat he's more open minded.
Some people just age.
They don't change with thetimes, they just age, and so now
there was already an age gapbetween them.
Now the age gap is 15 yearswider.
(37:14):
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
I feel like it doesn't bodewell for his relationship with
his parents.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
And I'm not saying I think it's going to work out,
but I'm saying, if for me I sawyou yesterday in my mind, my
thought is not going to be, I'mgoing to give up.
You know what I mean.
So that's why I said, no matterwhat he's going to have to try,
he may end up very well, end upwith Violet, and I hope they
end up together.
They're adorable to me.
Together, I mean, who else isgoing to understand?
(37:47):
No one else is going tounderstand him, provided that
this memory leak don't happenand he don't.
He's not on the slow descent ofmadness, but I would like them
together.
And yeah, nobody else canunderstand them at this point,
but each other.
But he's got to at least try,try.
And those things don't have tobe mutually exclusive.
Like you know what I mean, likeeven you know you can try to
make things work with yourparents.
(38:08):
See if they everybody got tocome with me to explain what
happens, because I'm not goingto right, they're not going to
believe you and we got to.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, the kind of cog in the middle of the wheel of
the story is actually Alejandro,which is kind of funny because
he's not in the middle of thewheel of the story is actually
Alejandro, which is kind offunny because he's not in the
show that much, but if youreally think about it, he kind
of is the cog in the wheel andso he is really good friends
with the author when they wereyounger.
Him and Balthazar are reallyreally great friends.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
That's true, and you learn that For Balthazar and
Balthazar to be mortal enemies,they both had the same best
friend.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Right, right.
And so one of the things thatyou learn is he is experiencing
this memory leakage and itcauses him to go insane.
And then Balthazar says that heends up walking into the ocean.
And I'm like, excuse me, youcan't just say that I need more
information, because I don't.
(39:06):
I don't even know that.
We essentially reallyunderstand what alejandro loses
when he loses his memory.
But once again he's losing hismemory, he's losing his identity
and he's losing his, his holdinto the world, and that
ultimately leads to his, hisdemise.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
But we don't even know what he lost he references
it, but we don't know it indetail.
Like he says things like Ican't remember my first love, I
can't remember my family.
You know there's a disconnectbetween him and his family
because nobody knows how he gotto Cantana Roo and there's
different theories of he justwalked out the jungle one day,
which we now know is truebecause he was in Passanje.
(39:45):
But why was he in Quintana Rooin the first place?
Did he live there?
Did he have a family there?
Did his family move there?
We don't know.
There's a theory that he wasrelated to hedge fund managers
and that's why he's there.
Why does he have so muchfreaking money walking out the
jungle for so long time that hecould buy a whole resort?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
yeah, there's a lot of yeah questions around that so
it's like it's he's the, he'slike the center of the loss,
like you know and you.
So it's like you get to seewhat happens when you don't
address it and you can't stopthat feeling of loss and lost
identity because he ends up inthe ocean, like walking into the
(40:24):
ocean and in his death.
And you, like it's, otherpeople are on the journey, you
know what I mean.
Like baldazar is trying tolearn how to like live the life
that he wants with you know,without losing his family, his
family connections.
Violet and and murray are learnyou know how to live without
(40:45):
their mom and their wife and notlose each other.
And it's like, oh, you get tokind of understand what happens
if they don't address it.
What happens if Emma and Noahdon't address you know and get
over their loss and find theirown identities.
What Alejandro is, what happens, you know it's essentially his
(41:09):
death and so it's kind ofbeautiful.
The show is very poetic.
It's very poetic and it asks somany questions too, considering
the show is very lightheartedand it's very it's a comedy
drama.
It's very, very light heartedand it's very it's a comedy
drama.
It's very, very light hearted,but it's like they pack in a lot
(41:32):
of like esoteric, liketheoretical, like you know in,
but they wrap it up in such apretty bow that you, you can
honestly watch the show and notask the questions because you're
just like, oh, that was a crazyfun it's, it's like a disney
ride in the sense that like itgets, like it goes up, it goes
(41:56):
down, you know what I mean andthen it's done, it feels very
quick and so, yes, you couldwatch it and not necessarily ask
any questions.
You're like, oh, that was cute,fun and quirky.
But, if you like, are peoplelike us who are always looking
at, at the art, it's, there's somany layers, it's, there's so
(42:18):
many layers.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Like even OK, so even back to like the beginning.
So, like you know, when likeyou're seeing sam on the plane
and, um, and he's drawing thathe drew that picture of the
scene that he saw on the planeand he's showing it to his then
girlfriend, hannah, and she'slike, well, what's the point?
And he's like, does art have tohave a point?
Does it always have to have ameaning?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
you are right, and that's like that's like.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
To me, that's like the overcast of the whole show.
Does this show have a meaning?
Does it have to have a meaning?
There's so many meanings thatyou could derive for it.
There's so many differentactions you could, but you also
don't have to.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You know what?
That is right.
They said it right, plain inthe beginning.
Mm-hmm, they did.
Oh, I forgot about that.
Mm-hmm man, I need to figureout who I need to see who wrote
this show and see what othershows they've written.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
I think I'm always a little bitnervous when I suggest a show
to you, but honestly, it's neverI don't enjoy the shows that
you suggest.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's like I just sometimes get something
completely different on thisshow than what like what you got
.
We have a lot of things incommon, I just think, of course
our lenses are different Ofcourse, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
The name of the writer is Andy Sierra.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
S-I-A-R-A.
Does it say if he's writtenanything else?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Of course, yes, a lot of things Like other shows, a
lot of short films.
He has another miniseries namedAngeline which is also on
Peacock Lodge 49, a TV seriesComedy drama.
Okay, yeah, we may have to putLodge 49, a TV series comedy
drama, okay yeah, we may have toput.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
We may have to put a couple of those shows on the
wall.
Yeah, maybe we can do a showabout him by examining his works
okay, I will be down for that.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh, and this other one is a limited series.
I don't know why I went into itthinking that this was a
limited series instead of a show.
But yeah, all right, I'm down.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Okay, I like that idea.
I do like that Because he'sdoing something different.
I think we need to applaud andshine light on people who are
doing something different, andit's not to say that you can't
like what's normal and what'spopular, because we like those
things too, you know.
But like I like, right rightbecause I feel like we are both
(44:55):
people who are not above it all.
There are some people who goout of their way to not enjoy
what's popular and feel likethey always have to go against
the grain.
That is not us, we are like.
And to feel like they alwayshave to go against the grain,
that is not us.
We are like.
No, we can like popular stufftoo.
We also like things that arequirky and different.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm like that's my thing.
I'm like I enjoy what I enjoy.
It doesn't have to be a certainlike or highbrow or highbrow
feeling.
If I enjoy it, I enjoy it.
(45:32):
If I don't, I don't, I don't,same same.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
The opposite is also true, like if it's highbrow and
everybody else is like, oh mygod, it's so smart and I think
it's dumb, yeah, but I like, Ilike to.
Yeah, I just like to enjoywhatever experiences that I
enjoy, regardless of you knowwhere it's at.
Absolutely like, I am someonewho's who enjoys examining media
but, I also love vampirediaries and every single spinoff
that it has.
I don't care what you thinkabout like the quality of that
show.
I watch that show and all theirspinoffs every year and will do
(45:56):
that probably for the rest ofmy life, because I'm like I love
a vampire.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I'm sorry and I will.
I love a show like this that Ido think like, asks a lot of
questions and is told in areally interesting way.
I'm also going to watch a veryformulaic crime show as well,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I watched Severance, but I'm also going to watch
Found.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Oh, I did enjoy Found .
Found is a little bit different.
I think you get a little bit ofboth with that.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I'm going to tell you, sometimes I like that
show.
I'm not caught up.
I have to take breaks becauseit's so emotional.
You know what I mean.
These people have really badproblems.
I do have to take breaks fromthe show, but the premise is
good, the acting is good, likeno notes.
It's just my life is heavy, andso sometimes I can't do like
(46:51):
heavy TV, even when it's goodsame same, absolutely I will
take that.
So things to look out for.
There is a show coming out thatstarts at the end of February,
called, I think it's called likegross point society, okay, and
I want to put it on your radar,and so I don't know if, if you,
(47:14):
if we want to watch it as itcomes out, or if we want to wait
till the first season iscomplete and and and watch it,
but I it's, it's on my, it's onmy radar.
I'm not sure yet, but it givesme desperate housewives mixed
(47:34):
with how to get away with murder.
Okay, and I may not be accurate, but that's what I'm getting
the feeling that it could be,and if it is, I'm going the
feeling that it could be, and ifit is, I'm going to be about it
.
So is there anything that'scoming out that you're looking
forward to, girl?
Speaker 2 (47:53):
I feel like, as soon as you asked me, that my mind
goes blank.
I'm putting in stuff I'm sure.
Oh goodness, let's see what'scoming out now.
There are shows that I have toforget exist because it takes so
long.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Oh goodness, let's see what's coming out Now.
There are shows that I have toforget exist because it takes so
long for the next season.
I'm, of course, looking forwardto the next season of
Bridgerton, but I have topretend Bridgerton does not
exist because it takes foreverfor the next season to come out.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
You're just not going to stress me.
I can't even think of a thingthat's coming out that's fresh.
But what I do want us to get toeventually, we don't have to do
it.
Next is DR from Detroit.
Oh no, no, no, if you like this, I think you, and for very
different reasons, for just thatelement, not for all the
magical realism and all thatkind of stuff, but like for that
(48:38):
element of avoiding yourproblems by diving into
something that has nothing to dowith you.
That element I think you willenjoy, so that I am looking
forward to us reviewing.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Okay.
So yeah, like that'll be likewithin the next three that we
can review.
Okay, because we still have toreview Meet Millie Black.
I forgot about that.
I have like like the lastepisode to watch, but I really I
gotta I have to up my medsbefore I watch that last episode
(49:11):
no up my meds.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
We gotta review a cartoon or something before we
get to Billy Black.
And it's a good show, it'sreally good, but it's heavy it
is.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
It is.
Yeah, we're gonna need a palatecleanser.
Maybe I'll watch the Witchercartoon or something.
The Witcher cartoon yes,there's a cartoon.
They have the Witcher show, butthen they also have the
cartoons.
Okay, do you watch the Witcher?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I watched one season with you and then, yeah, just
lost interest.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Oh, okay.
I got like really excited.
It's my thing Like that.
You know, like that is me,that's the kind of stuff I'm
into.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I didn't get into season two, but I just couldn't.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
You know what, honestly, it's interesting like
as far as like storytelling andnot being linear.
Honestly, it's interesting likeas far as like storytelling and
not being linear, like it'sactually it's one of the it's
good in that in that way.
So, but you know it's notreally your thing.
I like witches.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I like old school, I like you know that kind of stuff
.
I do like magic.
It is specifically that show,like it has all the elements of
things that I do, like I thinkwhat is it?
Because he mumbles like I willtell you a random, this is a
random thing.
This is very true.
(50:42):
This is more true for me foraudiobooks.
I love audiobooks, but, like,if the narrator's voice is
annoying, it does not matter howgood the book is.
I'm either gonna have to switchthe paper or we just not like.
No, I can't do, and I I feellike maybe it's the mumbling,
like I get to a point where Idon't care what he's saying.
It's not worth me trying tofigure it out.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Well, no, I agree with audiobooks, like I was.
I was watched, I was readingthe book, and then the first
book was really good and I'mlistening to the sequel and the
sequel was it was, honestly, itwas terrible.
I would have finished it,though, if one.
(51:29):
This one had like multipleauthors and but the there was
one woman and the way that shewas reading it was grating
through my.
It was like it was killing meand I'm like this book is not
even good.
It's not even good I and I.
I did not finish it, and thatis so rare for me to not finish
a book, but I'm like the I'm'mgoing to throw my phone the next
time she comes on the page, andso I just didn't finish it.
Which is so interesting how youhave such a.
(51:52):
The first book is so good andsuch a good premise, and the
second book you clearly just didnot have anything in you, and
so it just gets long and weird,absolutely, and I like when
things get weird, but it wasjust weird for weird sake.
It wasn't going anywhere, itwas like going in circles, it
was.
It was terrible.
But, um, do you ever havesomeone who writes a book and
(52:16):
that you enjoy it and you keepchecking back to see if they've
like written more or written asequel.
Um, I don't, I don't know.
Like I no, not really.
I have one book that I readsome years ago and I keep
checking on this author and I'mlike, girl, will you keep
(52:39):
writing?
Like, will you keep writing,will you make a sequel, please?
Like I enjoy this world you'vecreated, I enjoy the characters
and I'm just like it's probablytime for me to check again.
I'm just I'm gonna and I'm I'mso close to writing a letter.
I'm so close to writing, whichis so you know, that's like, so,
not me to contact somebody, butI'm just like I'm.
(53:04):
I'm like I'm so close towriting a letter, I'm like,
listen, just let me know ifyou're going to do it or not.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
If you're not going to do it, just tell me and I
will stop checking on you andmaybe that's why I love that
scene with Balthazar so much isbecause I wasn't that kid as
like a brat, but I was the kidthat would write a letter to an
author because I would writescenes in Living Color and mail
(53:34):
them.
Now I now realize as an adultthat my mother was probably
sending those to the same placewherever the Santa Claus letters
go, but I was writing skits forLive at Color and mailing them
off.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
That is hilarious, because my first question was
where did you get the address tosend it to?
And now you're like, no, thatwas my mom's job.
And if they even made it to thepost, office Girl.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
She probably got them and, for whatever reason, I
think I put them on index cards.
She probably got them and I put, for whatever reason, I think I
put them on index cards.
She probably got them somewherein her garage.
But my mother, she still waslike, yeah, okay, baby, you can
do it.
And I'm like, yeah, they'regonna love this one.
They did a show that was veryclose to one of the scenes and
(54:23):
you couldn't tell me that Ididn't write it.
And you couldn't tell me that Ididn't write it.
You couldn't tell me.
I am so serious I cannotremember what they called the
person.
I wrote, basically a one thatwas like if Arnold
Schwarzenegger was Black, Ican't remember.
I think I referred to they didan episode and they called him
(54:44):
Ram Bro.
I think I referred to they didan episode and they called it
Ram Bro.
I think I wrote.
When I wrote it it was likeartist towards a Negro.
But listen, let me tell you.
Let me tell you what my childself told me.
I was like, oh, they had tochange it.
The producers probably madethem change it because it was
too they didn't want to use theword Negro, but they used my
(55:05):
sketch.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
That is so cute and so hilarious.
But it goes to show that youwere very talented as a child.
You're coming up with the sameideas that professionals are
coming up with.
That is actually so like.
That shows like you've beentalented your entire life.
But that is so cute.
You like yeah, I need to keepsending them stuff because
(55:29):
obviously they're doing it andthey're using it because my
dream was not to be like infront of the camera.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
It was like I want to be a writer on In Living Color,
because, of course, I thoughtIn Living Color was going to
last forever.
So I was like no.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
I would be an adult.
Snl is still on In Living Colorwas going to last forever.
So I was like, no, I would bean adult.
If SNL is still on In LivingColor should still be on.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Girl.
I was having that conversationyesterday.
Why are we still doing this?
But yes, I wanted to be awriter on In Living Color In my
mind for several years I was.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
But yeah, I would pay cash money to get a hold of
those index cards.
Call your mom I will not,because you know she's going to
look for them.
That's what I'm like sheprobably still has them and tell
her that is what I want for mybirthday this year, as I want
those index cards you know she'sgoing to watch the show and if
(56:23):
she can find it, she's going tosend it to you, you, actually,
you know she's going to watchthe show and if she can find it,
she's going to send it to you.
You, actually, you know she'sour biggest fan.
So, yes, and now I'm reallyhonestly probably going to get
those cards for my birthdayBecause, yeah, she's going to
look for them and if she findsthem, she's going to send them
to me.
She will, she will, and thatwill be a very special episode.
(56:43):
Oh, she will, and that will bea very special episode.
Oh my God, because I'm readingthem all.
Maybe we can recreate some.
This could get really cute.
Oh my God, this could getreally, really cute.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
I know I should have told you.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
And what is hilarious is we've known each other and
we've been close for so manyyears.
I cannot believe.
You told me a story I had neverheard before.
That's mind-blowing.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
I don't know, I'm so connected with that part of the
show.
It was so adorable.
I don't know that I would havedone it to give notes, but
definitely I was like, no, I'mwriting, they're going to use my
scene, they're totally gonnause my sketch she was like.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
I'm trying to prove to them that I'm ready for the
writer's room girl.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
I was like, because I want to set up a job, when I
get, when I get out this house,I'm gonna have a job I'm gonna
do something with my life, I'venever seen someone who was born
and immediately started tryingto move out.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
I'm like you, like I got to go, I got stuff to do,
and I'm like it's only 18 years,but you're like 18 years is too
long.
And what makes it hilarious isthat we refer to your family as
like rainbows and butterfliesand like care bears, and you
(58:10):
were like I gotta go, I gotta goand your house was like the
house, but we like we needJessica house.
They got all the good snacks,all the good candy.
They got all the sodas, like myparents are so sweet and nice,
they're going to buy us seafoodand take us places.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
We should have all the good snacks, definitely have
all the sodas.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
I have a wonderful family.
I'm trapped, I'm trapped, I'mtrapped in paradise.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
One independence.
I don't know why, I don't knowwhy, I don't know why, but like
even like when I was, when I waslittle, like that's what I'm
saying.
Like when you write in thesesketches.
I was so when I was little.
Every every career I exploredwas was real.
I'm trapped in paradise.
(59:02):
It wasn't because I was upsetwith them, I just thought that
was my job.
When I used to paint as alittle as like a 4 or 5 year old
, I would paint pictures andthen walk around the
neighborhood and sell them yougotta get to this money because
I was like I gotta see if I canmake this as a career.
(59:22):
and then when I got like 8 and Irealized that my drawings and
my pictures were terrible, I waslike why were got to see if I
can make this as a career?
And then when I got like eightand I realized that my drawings
and my pictures were terrible, Iwas like why were these people
buying them?
Y'all really bought thesehorrible pictures.
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (59:33):
Y'all had me thinking that I could do this a long
time.
Y'all had me wasting my time.
I thought this was aninternship that could lead to a
career.
Oh God, we've gotten out ofsync.
Yes, we have, but I mean thelast, like seven or eight
minutes, are literally just holdon.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
I can't hear you at all.
I'm gonna stop.
I'm gonna stop.
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