March 11, 2025 • 24 mins
We explore the international phenomenon of the reality show "Traitors," discussing what makes this psychological competition so compelling and emotionally complex.
• Significant differences between how regular people and reality TV stars handle the emotional manipulation of the game
• Why casting all reality stars makes more sense, as professionals understand "what happens on TV is TV"
• Alan Cumming's dramatic hosting style and outfits that create an additional entertainment layer for the US version
• Critique of gameplay strategies from various contestants across seasons and international versions
• The unexpected psychological revelation that most people are fundamentally good, as even traitors struggle with lying to people they've grown to care about
• Analysis of different contestants' gameplay, including Boston Rob, Danielle, Carolyn, and Tom's unique approaches
• The surprising ways certain players like Tom reach correct conclusions through bizarre reasoning
Let's keep talking about Traitors once the current season concludes – this show clearly deserves more discussion!
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Niq (00:00):
We both started watching Traitors and now I'm hopping
around from continent tocontinent.
We're Traitors.
Yes, I'm so disappointed inseason three I'm so disappointed
in season three I honestlythink I feel like, honestly,
they need to work on the castinga bit.
Season one was castedexcellently, perfect, and I did
(00:24):
like the mix of regular peopleand I'm going to tell you why.
I know we're getting off topic.
I have no one to talk aboutthis with.
I'm going to tell you why theyswitched from regular people to
just all reality TV stars.
Those regular people in seasonone got emotionally trampled.
(00:47):
They were they.
You cannot have gamers orprofessional TV people with
regular people because they theyare too emotional.
They were so emotionallyvulnerable.
I feel like some of thosepeople ended up in therapy.
Jess (01:04):
And the most definitely.
And he was definitely anddefinitely.
But but I said that I'm like,well, not I don't know Cause, I
think Quentin is probablyQuentin probably did well, like
I know he got hurt but I thinkhe's fine.
Andy should have never been onthat show, like she was not or
they were not at a place wherethey can handle that.
Niq (01:25):
Right, because I think that , like the, even, even the, even
though the reality tv peopleare not gamers.
They understand what tv is andwhat tv is not right.
You know what I mean.
And so they understand that youcan have relationships and meet
people and enjoy them.
But what happens on tv is tvand what happens in the real
world is in the real world andthose new people.
They were not prepared for the,whatever the emotional damage
(01:49):
that this show actually is.
Like this show I.
It reminds me of the mole, butit's more sinister to me than
the mole is, because your goalis literally to have everybody
love you while you lie and preyon them, and so it's anyway.
(02:09):
I understand why they moved itto all reality TV people and I
think that season two washonestly cast it well.
Also, season three to me wasit's poorly, it's poorly cast,
it's really it's poorly cast itand so it's not as enjoyable.
And I would love the USspecifically to have two
(02:33):
versions of Traders.
I would love for them to do aregular version with regular
people, because I'm watching theregular people seasons in other
countries and I like watchingregular people play this game,
but I also enjoy watching theprofessional people, because the
game is different.
That it's it's.
(02:55):
It's when you see people doingwhat they're good at it's it's,
it's enjoyable, and so Iunderstand why they went with
the reality people, because theyknow how to create a story,
they know how to entertain, theyknow how to backstab and it be
okay, it's so entertaining.
But I would still love to watchthe regular people because it's
(03:17):
a different game, right?
And so I feel like the USspecifically needs two versions
of Traitors.
Okay, okay, I can see that Ilove Alan Cummings and I live
for his outfits the outfits,girl, the outfits.
Jess (03:32):
Yeah, I don't think that they could have picked a better
person to host his bridaloutfits girl that bridal outfit
no other host.
Niq (03:41):
He had the bangs on the outside of the head and I'm like
you know what is it?
None of the other hosts arelike that.
They're wearing like regularnobody's else is that dramatical
?
none like they wear regularclothes.
It's like the show is just not.
It does not have the sparkle ofthe US show in the UK show
(04:03):
filmed in the same place thatthe UK of the US show.
The UK show is filmed in thesame place that the UK and the
US show are filmed in the samecastle.
Oh wow, it is at least for theseasons that I've seen so far.
It's filmed in the same castle.
It is a different show.
The host is just like this girl, this woman, who she's probably
(04:25):
famous in their country.
She's like a woman.
She's got on like jeans and ashirt and a jacket.
But you know, we are a dramaticcountry, we are, we're
theatrical as a country.
We love the spectacle of it andthe entertainment his hosting is
by far my.
It's a layer to the show it is.
(04:47):
It is the way that the peopledress in the US show like is
over the top to the other peoplethat wear regular clothes in
season 2, mj, that are from theShadows of Sunset her outfit.
Jess (05:01):
I'm like just give me the whole wardrobe, just give me
everything that she put on inHer outfit.
I'm like just give me the wholewardrobe, just give me
everything that she put on in mycloset, and I'm good.
Niq (05:09):
Phaedra also dressed cute.
There were a lot of like theoutfits were really, really good
.
Now none of them can touch Alan, but they're also Now.
I did enjoy season three, likethe wedding episode, like the
outfits that they wore.
I did enjoy season three, likethe wedding episode like the
outfits that they wore.
Jess (05:26):
I did like that.
Niq (05:26):
The funeral episodes, the outfits that they wore at the
funeral Both of those like Ireally enjoyed, Like a lot of
the women, they did snap, theydid, they did snap.
But when I'm watching I waswatching like the UK and like
Australia and I'm like thesehosts are like Michael C, like
Ryan Seacrest, like just writewhat people do, like Alan
(05:48):
Cummings is coming in on a horseexactly a horse in a bridal
gown or something.
Jess (05:58):
He definitely adds a layer .
He is a character in and ofitself in the show.
He adds an extra layer and theyreference him as such.
They do.
What is Alan going to do to?
Niq (06:08):
us next.
I love it.
Yeah, I love Alan Cumming.
And I am going to apologize nowthat we have gotten so far off
topic.
Jess (06:16):
That's okay.
Yes, back to the resort.
I'm sorry.
Niq (06:18):
I don't know how we got there, but I've been.
I think I just needed to getthat off my chest because I have
nobody to talk to about howobsessed I am with traitors.
Jess (06:29):
Yeah, and for me, a person who doesn't do reality TV, I
got into it really deep.
Niq (06:35):
Okay, Last question before we pivot back to being on topic
On the show.
If you could choose, would youchoose to be a traitor or a
faithful?
Traitor, I always go for thetraitors, me too, traitor, I
always go for the traitors metoo even when I don't like the
traitors as individuals.
It's something about.
What did Kate say?
I like to be part of anexclusive club.
Jess (06:56):
I like a VIP experience but you get so much more control
of the game.
Absolutely it's a duck ifyou're a faithful.
When y'all got me like rootingfor Boston Rob and I cannot
stand Boston Rob, absolutely Icannot stand Boston Rob.
But Danielle, I think, pissedme off so bad as being so bad as
(07:18):
a traitor At least to where I'mat so far, because I haven't
finished all the episodes thatare out.
She's so bad at it.
I'm like please don't make meagree with Boston.
Niq (07:26):
Rob, and that's the thing.
Like the traitors in previousseasons were better.
Even Christian who in seasonone, his energy and his it
annoyed me and I'm like can weplease get rid of him?
Jess (07:42):
He was still a better traitor than he was, and I hate
to say that out loud.
Niq (07:46):
Yes, he was Like like she, for someone who came in was like
I'm that, that's one of thebest people on big brother to
ever do it.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, I'm like this is not bigbrother and everybody's like her
acting is so bad.
Jess (07:59):
The crying is over the top , it's too much.
Pull it back, then, like Ithink the thing that annoys me
with traders more than anythingis when they talk too much and
say stuff they don't need to.
And I've got her and Bob thedrag queen do that, and that was
driving me crazy.
It was driving me crazy becauseI'm like there is no reason for
(08:20):
you to say the things you'resaying.
You set the thing up and youlet the rumors fly on their own.
You don't have to be in theredriving the narrative that hard.
Niq (08:29):
The funny thing is, honestly, I feel like Bob the
Drag Queen would have been abetter traitor and would have
lasted longer in the show if heshowed up as his real self and
not his persona, because I feellike he was just being so extra
Because I'm like it's not thatthey're two completely different
people, but I just think likehe was just being so extra
because I'm like he's not it'snot that they're two completely
(08:50):
different people, but I justthink that he was doing entirely
too much and I think he wasbeing like if he would have just
been him, just himself, and notlike, almost like his drag
persona, even when he wasn't indrag, I think he would have
lasted longer, because I I thinkthat's where all that extra
mess, that extra talking, thattoo much, all of that came from,
(09:12):
like that's his.
To me, that's like his dragpersona instead of just being
him his actual self, because Ifeel like he was actually really
smart.
Yeah.
Jess (09:22):
That's why I was surprised that he wasn't good at this,
because I do see him as a personwho's incredibly smart.
Niq (09:27):
He's incredibly intelligent , he's incredibly likable and he
has a lot of leadershipcharacteristics qualities.
He was fighting for the women,all of these things, right.
Jess (09:40):
I liked him calling the men out.
I'm like, regardless of thegame, the fact that he called
the men out so hard, because Iwas like, yeah, I'm like they
kept sacrificing the women andthey probably do, you know, all
the time.
Yeah.
Niq (09:54):
It was the extraness that you see a lot of times in drag
that he was doing.
That was his downfall.
If he would have just dialed itback some you know what I mean
he would have won the game.
And I mean he would have wonthe game.
I don't know who's going to winnow, but I feel like he could
have lasted to the end, becausewhen people were bringing him up
(10:14):
, they're like no, not Bob, NotBob.
Jess (10:17):
If you just like, you don't have to like.
You know the reason why you gotrid of this person and you know
the thing that you're trying toset up.
You don't have to explicitlysay that, because when you
explicitly say that, then theylike, then they look at you
Absolutely.
And then the thing he saidabout Boston Rob.
I'm like, oh well, he didn'tsay about Boston Rob, but he was
like it's got to be one of thethree and I'm like what is wrong
(10:38):
with you?
You didn't need to say that.
No, everybody was alreadythinking it.
Niq (10:41):
Or if you were going, you would have said it in a small
private, you know, to a coupleof people, and definitely not in
front of those three guys.
Jess (10:53):
I'm like Boston, rob.
I'm like he's coming at thispoint.
He's coming for you.
He's scared to me.
Niq (10:59):
I have theories that I'm talking to the offline, but like
it's just the yeah, he, I, hemade me feel so uncomfortable,
him and Wes.
I'm sorry, I want to stop.
Jess (11:14):
I never need to be in a room with.
Niq (11:16):
I want to stop talking about traitors, but let me just
say this, let me just say thislast thing, thank you.
So Danielle's like I need toget rid of Boston Rob.
So the way that I'm going toget rid of Boston Rob, so the
way that I'm going to get rid ofBoston Rob, is I'm going to
turn on Carolyn, get her votedoff, get a new traitor, and then
(11:36):
the two of us can team uptogether to get rid of Boston
Rob.
Jess (11:40):
Let me know that she's one of the stupidest people who has
ever been on TV the crazy thingis like if she had not gone
after Carolyn, they were alreadygoing after Boston.
Rob and I'm like you just sitback and then you don't even
have to vote for him If you justlet certain stuff happen.
You know what I mean and stopbeing so heavy handed with
(12:02):
everything, because I'm likethey could have did it and even
when she voted for him, shedidn't have to vote for him.
I would have hedged my bets andstill voted for Wes, just in
case they didn't have thenumbers.
Niq (12:12):
The funny thing is she didn't have to, because Carolyn
had voted for her.
That time she could have votedfor Carolyn, because Carolyn was
not in danger of leaving andjust said well, you voted for me
, so I'm going to vote for you.
Jess (12:23):
Right, that time.
Yeah, that time too.
Both times that the vote was upfor Rob, I'm like I wouldn't
have voted for him, even thoughI know I wanted him out, right,
because just to hedge your bets,come on, the way she's playing
this game is stressful to me.
It is.
Niq (12:39):
It is.
I promise you, I swear I wishthey would have picked Brittany
in the beginning and notDanielle as a traitor, because I
they would have picked Brittanyin the beginning and not
Danielle as a traitor, because Ilike them, because they have
like that frenemy thing.
I like them being on oppositesides.
I would have, I feel like oneof them needed to be a traitor.
But I'm now questioning.
I'm like man, I wish Brittanywould have been a traitor from
(13:01):
the beginning.
And so, first of all, alanCumming is going to make a Black
woman a traitor Okay, he isgoing to make a Black woman a
traitor.
Jess (13:08):
Okay, he is going to make a Black woman a traitor, which
I'm not mad at because I'm goingto root for the traitors, and
so it's going to give mesomebody to root for and I just
can't root for Danielle.
I just can't, which is hard,like even.
I'm still like I don't know ifshe gets, because I'm like I
think I'm on episode he just gotvoted out, so I'm like I don't
know if she lasts a few moreepisodes.
(13:30):
I'm like part of me wants youto win, but I'm not excited
about it.
Niq (13:35):
Right, and the funny thing is out of everybody, including
Boston Rob, this season Carolynhas been the best traitor, and
it's just because she is such aweirdo.
Jess (13:46):
Nobody pays her any attention.
Niq (13:48):
And I don't understand.
I don't know her from whatevershow she did before, but I can't
figure out.
I'm not trying to be funny.
Why does she sound like thatand why does she move like that?
Jess (14:06):
And I don't know that because I don't know that woman,
allegedly I'm like I don't knowwhat else makes you look like
that.
Niq (14:15):
What part of the country is she from?
I've never heard anybody talklike that Tokifornia, I don't
know.
She talks like Kermit the Frogis trying to jump out of her
house.
Jess (14:27):
Kermit is.
Frog is trying to jump out ofher house.
Kermit is stuck in her throat.
Niq (14:33):
Okay.
Jess (14:36):
That man is swinging from her uvula.
Niq (14:38):
I'm listening to her and I'm like what is?
Is it a?
Because I don't want to makefun of somebody.
I'm like is it a condition?
Oh God, I hope it's not acondition.
What?
You know what?
Because she also moves, likeher body and her voice, like she
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moves her body, the way hervoice sounds.
Jess (15:02):
She is very animated, much like a Muppet in herself.
She looks animatronic in theway that she moves.
Niq (15:13):
But also in her voice it's like no one talks, like what is
wrong, and so it's honestly likeit's.
Jess (15:21):
Sometimes it's hard to watch her it is, it is, and so
nobody says she flies under theradar all the time like her and
tom I think that man's name istom right the same character,
like the person that everybodydismisses because he'd be having
eight million, oh my gosh.
Niq (15:37):
No, okay, okay, we're doing this, tom, okay.
So what I've learned is thereason why a lot of the women
don't like him is because hecheated on his girlfriend, right
, and so they have this hatredof him.
But he doesn't do himself anyfavors because I can't tell if
(15:59):
he is playing dumb or if heactually is dumb.
But playing dumb is dumb and heevery once in a while he has a
good idea and he has like aninsight, but it's always coming
like, it's coming from like theweirdest, strangest way where
(16:23):
you can.
Jess (16:24):
You have to dismiss it because it don't right.
And then he says so much stuffthat don't make no sense.
He'll be like you know what.
Niq (16:31):
I was staring at this, like purple coat, and I was walking
down the hallway and it made methink carolyn and danielle,
they're probably traitors andyou're like right place, how did
you get there?
There's a woman in the UKtrader show that I'm watching
(16:51):
Exact same thing.
She, from the very beginning,has figured out who a trader was
and she will not let it go.
But because the way she gotthere and because she's got like
these crazy theories, no onebelieves her and she's not a
(17:11):
hundred percent right like shethinks.
It's like she swears that thesetwo people are traitors and one
of them actually is.
Because she was like when hevoted for this other person, he
had a panic attack and he wascrying it was traitor on traitor
crime.
It was not, but the guy is andshe's like literally been
begging people to vote this guyout, to vote him out, to vote
(17:36):
him out and he's a traitor.
He's a traitor and they can'thear.
They won't do it because she'slike she'll be at the table and
someone will say fidgety, fidget.
You know how they say.
She's like I think you're atraitor because you said fidgety
, fidgety and they're like girl,stop with your crazy rabbit
hole theories, but she's right.
(17:59):
And it drives the traitor crazybecause he's like oh, oh, she's
right, but she got there in sucha crazy way and so she has been
on his neck and so what he didwas he ended up like giving up
another traitor, and so once hegave up the other traitor,
everybody like jumped down herthroat.
(18:21):
You kept saying it was him andand it wasn't him.
And look, he found a traitor.
He found a traitor.
And I'm just like yeah, but shealso, the way that she talks,
she, she, she, she's very much atom like.
When she talks, she sounds likea, an idiot.
She sounds like an idiot, butshe's like an idiot, but she's
(18:43):
right.
And then she came out and toldeverybody that she was an
actress.
And so now everybody's like Ithink she's a traitor because
she didn't tell us she was anactress, and like so now,
because they can't kill her,because she keeps that she's
been naming a traitor, so ifthey kill her, that's going to
leave Credence, so they can'tget rid of her and she won't
(19:05):
stop talking about this traitor.
It is so entertaining becauseI'm just like the Scooby Doo of
it all.
It's like you got the answer,but the where you do jinkies,
where did you Jinkies?
How did you get there?
How did you get there?
(19:27):
But it is so entertainingbecause they kind of treat her
bad, like will you stop withyour conspiracy thing.
And the funny thing is they hadtwo people come in in the
middle of the show and theyimmediately believed her and
they immediately believed herand they were on her side and
that's why the traitor ended uphaving to give up the other
traitor because she had actuallylike, she was like, let's just
(19:49):
try it, guys, come on, let'sjust try it, let's just try it,
let's vote him out in that shewas so close to getting so close
, she was so close to gettinghim.
It's.
I am thoroughly enjoying theshow.
I I am and like you, um, I haveI've not really been into like
(20:11):
reality competitions like whenwe were really really young I
watched like survivor.
I used to watch right stufflike that and so like.
But lately, other than like themole, which is very similar in
premise, I haven't really beenwatching, like and enjoying
reality competitions.
And so to find this show andlove this show because it's like
(20:34):
, it's so interesting, becauseit kind of shows at at their
core.
Yeah, most people are good,because even the people who are
traitors, and they have to lieabout it as they're getting
closer and closer to the otherpeople in the show, harder for
them and you know what I mean.
Like you think you wouldn'treally believe that it would
(20:56):
affect someone that emotionally,because it's a game, right it.
Kind of shows, like you know,when you don't know someone it's
easy to take advantage of.
Kind of shows, like you know,when you don't know someone,
it's easy to take advantage ofthem.
But the more you know someone,the closer you get.
It's hard to lie.
You know what I mean and so itit.
It makes me soften a little tohumans in general and so I, you
(21:19):
know, I I like the show and Ilike the mystery element of it,
the smooth thing, and I like howin the beginning they're just
slaughtering faithfuls for thesilliest and dumbest stuff,
because it's just like when youdon't know what to do.
Jess (21:34):
You like people are like looking, they're like, well, you
didn't eat toast at breakfastand the faithful eat toast girl,
and that's the thing is thatthose theories at the beginning
be so wild, and I'm like butyeah, everybody sound like Tom
for the first two episodes.
Niq (21:51):
Right, but Tom is always Tom, but Tom is called Tom the
whole time.
Oh my gosh, have you seen theepisode where they were like
singing, having to sing thesongs from the dolls?
No, okay, not yet.
I can't wait for you.
It's a Tom centered episode andyou.
Jess (22:14):
I think I'm ready for a Tom centered episode it is so
entertaining.
Niq (22:20):
Please call me after you watch that episode.
Okay, I most definitely will dothat.
I would love.
When the season of Traders isover, let's have another talk,
clearly, we need to haveepisodes.
Absolutely, we need to talkabout the season in general Once
(22:40):
it hits a conclusion.
So great Okay.
We both started watching Traitors and now I'm hopping
around from continent tocontinent.
We're Traitors.
Yes, I'm so disappointed inseason three I'm so disappointed
in season three I honestlythink I feel like, honestly,
they need to work on the castinga bit.
Season one was castedexcellently, perfect, and I did
(00:24):
like the mix of regular peopleand I'm going to tell you why.
I know we're getting off topic.
I have no one to talk aboutthis with.
I'm going to tell you why theyswitched from regular people to
just all reality TV stars.
Those regular people in seasonone got emotionally trampled.
(00:47):
They were they.
You cannot have gamers orprofessional TV people with
regular people because they theyare too emotional.
They were so emotionallyvulnerable.
I feel like some of thosepeople ended up in therapy.
Jess (01:04):
And the most definitely.
And he was definitely anddefinitely.
But but I said that I'm like,well, not I don't know Cause, I
think Quentin is probablyQuentin probably did well, like
I know he got hurt but I thinkhe's fine.
Andy should have never been onthat show, like she was not or
they were not at a place wherethey can handle that.
Niq (01:25):
Right, because I think that , like the, even, even the, even
though the reality tv peopleare not gamers.
They understand what tv is andwhat tv is not right.
You know what I mean.
And so they understand that youcan have relationships and meet
people and enjoy them.
But what happens on tv is tvand what happens in the real
world is in the real world andthose new people.
They were not prepared for the,whatever the emotional damage
(01:49):
that this show actually is.
Like this show I.
It reminds me of the mole, butit's more sinister to me than
the mole is, because your goalis literally to have everybody
love you while you lie and preyon them, and so it's anyway.
(02:09):
I understand why they moved itto all reality TV people and I
think that season two washonestly cast it well.
Also, season three to me wasit's poorly, it's poorly cast,
it's really it's poorly cast itand so it's not as enjoyable.
And I would love the USspecifically to have two
(02:33):
versions of Traders.
I would love for them to do aregular version with regular
people, because I'm watching theregular people seasons in other
countries and I like watchingregular people play this game,
but I also enjoy watching theprofessional people, because the
game is different.
That it's it's.
(02:55):
It's when you see people doingwhat they're good at it's it's,
it's enjoyable, and so Iunderstand why they went with
the reality people, because theyknow how to create a story,
they know how to entertain, theyknow how to backstab and it be
okay, it's so entertaining.
But I would still love to watchthe regular people because it's
(03:17):
a different game, right?
And so I feel like the USspecifically needs two versions
of Traitors.
Okay, okay, I can see that Ilove Alan Cummings and I live
for his outfits the outfits,girl, the outfits.
Jess (03:32):
Yeah, I don't think that they could have picked a better
person to host his bridaloutfits girl that bridal outfit
no other host.
Niq (03:41):
He had the bangs on the outside of the head and I'm like
you know what is it?
None of the other hosts arelike that.
They're wearing like regularnobody's else is that dramatical
?
none like they wear regularclothes.
It's like the show is just not.
It does not have the sparkle ofthe US show in the UK show
(04:03):
filmed in the same place thatthe UK of the US show.
The UK show is filmed in thesame place that the UK and the
US show are filmed in the samecastle.
Oh wow, it is at least for theseasons that I've seen so far.
It's filmed in the same castle.
It is a different show.
The host is just like this girl, this woman, who she's probably
(04:25):
famous in their country.
She's like a woman.
She's got on like jeans and ashirt and a jacket.
But you know, we are a dramaticcountry, we are, we're
theatrical as a country.
We love the spectacle of it andthe entertainment his hosting is
by far my.
It's a layer to the show it is.
(04:47):
It is the way that the peopledress in the US show like is
over the top to the other peoplethat wear regular clothes in
season 2, mj, that are from theShadows of Sunset her outfit.
Jess (05:01):
I'm like just give me the whole wardrobe, just give me
everything that she put on inHer outfit.
I'm like just give me the wholewardrobe, just give me
everything that she put on in mycloset, and I'm good.
Niq (05:09):
Phaedra also dressed cute.
There were a lot of like theoutfits were really, really good
.
Now none of them can touch Alan, but they're also Now.
I did enjoy season three, likethe wedding episode, like the
outfits that they wore.
I did enjoy season three, likethe wedding episode like the
outfits that they wore.
Jess (05:26):
I did like that.
Niq (05:26):
The funeral episodes, the outfits that they wore at the
funeral Both of those like Ireally enjoyed, Like a lot of
the women, they did snap, theydid, they did snap.
But when I'm watching I waswatching like the UK and like
Australia and I'm like thesehosts are like Michael C, like
Ryan Seacrest, like just writewhat people do, like Alan
(05:48):
Cummings is coming in on a horseexactly a horse in a bridal
gown or something.
Jess (05:58):
He definitely adds a layer .
He is a character in and ofitself in the show.
He adds an extra layer and theyreference him as such.
They do.
What is Alan going to do to?
Niq (06:08):
us next.
I love it.
Yeah, I love Alan Cumming.
And I am going to apologize nowthat we have gotten so far off
topic.
Jess (06:16):
That's okay.
Yes, back to the resort.
I'm sorry.
Niq (06:18):
I don't know how we got there, but I've been.
I think I just needed to getthat off my chest because I have
nobody to talk to about howobsessed I am with traitors.
Jess (06:29):
Yeah, and for me, a person who doesn't do reality TV, I
got into it really deep.
Niq (06:35):
Okay, Last question before we pivot back to being on topic
On the show.
If you could choose, would youchoose to be a traitor or a
faithful?
Traitor, I always go for thetraitors, me too, traitor, I
always go for the traitors metoo even when I don't like the
traitors as individuals.
It's something about.
What did Kate say?
I like to be part of anexclusive club.
Jess (06:56):
I like a VIP experience but you get so much more control
of the game.
Absolutely it's a duck ifyou're a faithful.
When y'all got me like rootingfor Boston Rob and I cannot
stand Boston Rob, absolutely Icannot stand Boston Rob.
But Danielle, I think, pissedme off so bad as being so bad as
(07:18):
a traitor At least to where I'mat so far, because I haven't
finished all the episodes thatare out.
She's so bad at it.
I'm like please don't make meagree with Boston.
Niq (07:26):
Rob, and that's the thing.
Like the traitors in previousseasons were better.
Even Christian who in seasonone, his energy and his it
annoyed me and I'm like can weplease get rid of him?
Jess (07:42):
He was still a better traitor than he was, and I hate
to say that out loud.
Niq (07:46):
Yes, he was Like like she, for someone who came in was like
I'm that, that's one of thebest people on big brother to
ever do it.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, I'm like this is not bigbrother and everybody's like her
acting is so bad.
Jess (07:59):
The crying is over the top , it's too much.
Pull it back, then, like Ithink the thing that annoys me
with traders more than anythingis when they talk too much and
say stuff they don't need to.
And I've got her and Bob thedrag queen do that, and that was
driving me crazy.
It was driving me crazy becauseI'm like there is no reason for
(08:20):
you to say the things you'resaying.
You set the thing up and youlet the rumors fly on their own.
You don't have to be in theredriving the narrative that hard.
Niq (08:29):
The funny thing is, honestly, I feel like Bob the
Drag Queen would have been abetter traitor and would have
lasted longer in the show if heshowed up as his real self and
not his persona, because I feellike he was just being so extra
Because I'm like it's not thatthey're two completely different
people, but I just think likehe was just being so extra
because I'm like he's not it'snot that they're two completely
(08:50):
different people, but I justthink that he was doing entirely
too much and I think he wasbeing like if he would have just
been him, just himself, and notlike, almost like his drag
persona, even when he wasn't indrag, I think he would have
lasted longer, because I I thinkthat's where all that extra
mess, that extra talking, thattoo much, all of that came from,
(09:12):
like that's his.
To me, that's like his dragpersona instead of just being
him his actual self, because Ifeel like he was actually really
smart.
Yeah.
Jess (09:22):
That's why I was surprised that he wasn't good at this,
because I do see him as a personwho's incredibly smart.
Niq (09:27):
He's incredibly intelligent , he's incredibly likable and he
has a lot of leadershipcharacteristics qualities.
He was fighting for the women,all of these things, right.
Jess (09:40):
I liked him calling the men out.
I'm like, regardless of thegame, the fact that he called
the men out so hard, because Iwas like, yeah, I'm like they
kept sacrificing the women andthey probably do, you know, all
the time.
Yeah.
Niq (09:54):
It was the extraness that you see a lot of times in drag
that he was doing.
That was his downfall.
If he would have just dialed itback some you know what I mean
he would have won the game.
And I mean he would have wonthe game.
I don't know who's going to winnow, but I feel like he could
have lasted to the end, becausewhen people were bringing him up
(10:14):
, they're like no, not Bob, NotBob.
Jess (10:17):
If you just like, you don't have to like.
You know the reason why you gotrid of this person and you know
the thing that you're trying toset up.
You don't have to explicitlysay that, because when you
explicitly say that, then theylike, then they look at you
Absolutely.
And then the thing he saidabout Boston Rob.
I'm like, oh well, he didn'tsay about Boston Rob, but he was
like it's got to be one of thethree and I'm like what is wrong
(10:38):
with you?
You didn't need to say that.
No, everybody was alreadythinking it.
Niq (10:41):
Or if you were going, you would have said it in a small
private, you know, to a coupleof people, and definitely not in
front of those three guys.
Jess (10:53):
I'm like Boston, rob.
I'm like he's coming at thispoint.
He's coming for you.
He's scared to me.
Niq (10:59):
I have theories that I'm talking to the offline, but like
it's just the yeah, he, I, hemade me feel so uncomfortable,
him and Wes.
I'm sorry, I want to stop.
Jess (11:14):
I never need to be in a room with.
Niq (11:16):
I want to stop talking about traitors, but let me just
say this, let me just say thislast thing, thank you.
So Danielle's like I need toget rid of Boston Rob.
So the way that I'm going toget rid of Boston Rob, so the
way that I'm going to get rid ofBoston Rob, is I'm going to
turn on Carolyn, get her votedoff, get a new traitor, and then
(11:36):
the two of us can team uptogether to get rid of Boston
Rob.
Jess (11:40):
Let me know that she's one of the stupidest people who has
ever been on TV the crazy thingis like if she had not gone
after Carolyn, they were alreadygoing after Boston.
Rob and I'm like you just sitback and then you don't even
have to vote for him If you justlet certain stuff happen.
You know what I mean and stopbeing so heavy handed with
(12:02):
everything, because I'm likethey could have did it and even
when she voted for him, shedidn't have to vote for him.
I would have hedged my bets andstill voted for Wes, just in
case they didn't have thenumbers.
Niq (12:12):
The funny thing is she didn't have to, because Carolyn
had voted for her.
That time she could have votedfor Carolyn, because Carolyn was
not in danger of leaving andjust said well, you voted for me
, so I'm going to vote for you.
Jess (12:23):
Right, that time.
Yeah, that time too.
Both times that the vote was upfor Rob, I'm like I wouldn't
have voted for him, even thoughI know I wanted him out, right,
because just to hedge your bets,come on, the way she's playing
this game is stressful to me.
It is.
Niq (12:39):
It is.
I promise you, I swear I wishthey would have picked Brittany
in the beginning and notDanielle as a traitor, because I
they would have picked Brittanyin the beginning and not
Danielle as a traitor, because Ilike them, because they have
like that frenemy thing.
I like them being on oppositesides.
I would have, I feel like oneof them needed to be a traitor.
But I'm now questioning.
I'm like man, I wish Brittanywould have been a traitor from
(13:01):
the beginning.
And so, first of all, alanCumming is going to make a Black
woman a traitor Okay, he isgoing to make a Black woman a
traitor.
Jess (13:08):
Okay, he is going to make a Black woman a traitor, which
I'm not mad at because I'm goingto root for the traitors, and
so it's going to give mesomebody to root for and I just
can't root for Danielle.
I just can't, which is hard,like even.
I'm still like I don't know ifshe gets, because I'm like I
think I'm on episode he just gotvoted out, so I'm like I don't
know if she lasts a few moreepisodes.
(13:30):
I'm like part of me wants youto win, but I'm not excited
about it.
Niq (13:35):
Right, and the funny thing is out of everybody, including
Boston Rob, this season Carolynhas been the best traitor, and
it's just because she is such aweirdo.
Jess (13:46):
Nobody pays her any attention.
Niq (13:48):
And I don't understand.
I don't know her from whatevershow she did before, but I can't
figure out.
I'm not trying to be funny.
Why does she sound like thatand why does she move like that?
Jess (14:06):
And I don't know that because I don't know that woman,
allegedly I'm like I don't knowwhat else makes you look like
that.
Niq (14:15):
What part of the country is she from?
I've never heard anybody talklike that Tokifornia, I don't
know.
She talks like Kermit the Frogis trying to jump out of her
house.
Jess (14:27):
Kermit is.
Frog is trying to jump out ofher house.
Kermit is stuck in her throat.
Niq (14:33):
Okay.
Jess (14:36):
That man is swinging from her uvula.
Niq (14:38):
I'm listening to her and I'm like what is?
Is it a?
Because I don't want to makefun of somebody.
I'm like is it a condition?
Oh God, I hope it's not acondition.
What?
You know what?
Because she also moves, likeher body and her voice, like she
(14:58):
moves her body, the way hervoice sounds.
Jess (15:02):
She is very animated, much like a Muppet in herself.
She looks animatronic in theway that she moves.
Niq (15:13):
But also in her voice it's like no one talks, like what is
wrong, and so it's honestly likeit's.
Jess (15:21):
Sometimes it's hard to watch her it is, it is, and so
nobody says she flies under theradar all the time like her and
tom I think that man's name istom right the same character,
like the person that everybodydismisses because he'd be having
eight million, oh my gosh.
Niq (15:37):
No, okay, okay, we're doing this, tom, okay.
So what I've learned is thereason why a lot of the women
don't like him is because hecheated on his girlfriend, right
, and so they have this hatredof him.
But he doesn't do himself anyfavors because I can't tell if
(15:59):
he is playing dumb or if heactually is dumb.
But playing dumb is dumb and heevery once in a while he has a
good idea and he has like aninsight, but it's always coming
like, it's coming from like theweirdest, strangest way where
(16:23):
you can.
Jess (16:24):
You have to dismiss it because it don't right.
And then he says so much stuffthat don't make no sense.
He'll be like you know what.
Niq (16:31):
I was staring at this, like purple coat, and I was walking
down the hallway and it made methink carolyn and danielle,
they're probably traitors andyou're like right place, how did
you get there?
There's a woman in the UKtrader show that I'm watching
(16:51):
Exact same thing.
She, from the very beginning,has figured out who a trader was
and she will not let it go.
But because the way she gotthere and because she's got like
these crazy theories, no onebelieves her and she's not a
(17:11):
hundred percent right like shethinks.
It's like she swears that thesetwo people are traitors and one
of them actually is.
Because she was like when hevoted for this other person, he
had a panic attack and he wascrying it was traitor on traitor
crime.
It was not, but the guy is andshe's like literally been
begging people to vote this guyout, to vote him out, to vote
(17:36):
him out and he's a traitor.
He's a traitor and they can'thear.
They won't do it because she'slike she'll be at the table and
someone will say fidgety, fidget.
You know how they say.
She's like I think you're atraitor because you said fidgety
, fidgety and they're like girl,stop with your crazy rabbit
hole theories, but she's right.
(17:59):
And it drives the traitor crazybecause he's like oh, oh, she's
right, but she got there in sucha crazy way and so she has been
on his neck and so what he didwas he ended up like giving up
another traitor, and so once hegave up the other traitor,
everybody like jumped down herthroat.
(18:21):
You kept saying it was him andand it wasn't him.
And look, he found a traitor.
He found a traitor.
And I'm just like yeah, but shealso, the way that she talks,
she, she, she, she's very much atom like.
When she talks, she sounds likea, an idiot.
She sounds like an idiot, butshe's like an idiot, but she's
(18:43):
right.
And then she came out and toldeverybody that she was an
actress.
And so now everybody's like Ithink she's a traitor because
she didn't tell us she was anactress, and like so now,
because they can't kill her,because she keeps that she's
been naming a traitor, so ifthey kill her, that's going to
leave Credence, so they can'tget rid of her and she won't
(19:05):
stop talking about this traitor.
It is so entertaining becauseI'm just like the Scooby Doo of
it all.
It's like you got the answer,but the where you do jinkies,
where did you Jinkies?
How did you get there?
How did you get there?
(19:27):
But it is so entertainingbecause they kind of treat her
bad, like will you stop withyour conspiracy thing.
And the funny thing is they hadtwo people come in in the
middle of the show and theyimmediately believed her and
they immediately believed herand they were on her side and
that's why the traitor ended uphaving to give up the other
traitor because she had actuallylike, she was like, let's just
(19:49):
try it, guys, come on, let'sjust try it, let's just try it,
let's vote him out in that shewas so close to getting so close
, she was so close to gettinghim.
It's.
I am thoroughly enjoying theshow.
I I am and like you, um, I haveI've not really been into like
(20:11):
reality competitions like whenwe were really really young I
watched like survivor.
I used to watch right stufflike that and so like.
But lately, other than like themole, which is very similar in
premise, I haven't really beenwatching, like and enjoying
reality competitions.
And so to find this show andlove this show because it's like
(20:34):
, it's so interesting, becauseit kind of shows at at their
core.
Yeah, most people are good,because even the people who are
traitors, and they have to lieabout it as they're getting
closer and closer to the otherpeople in the show, harder for
them and you know what I mean.
Like you think you wouldn'treally believe that it would
(20:56):
affect someone that emotionally,because it's a game, right it.
Kind of shows, like you know,when you don't know someone it's
easy to take advantage of.
Kind of shows, like you know,when you don't know someone,
it's easy to take advantage ofthem.
But the more you know someone,the closer you get.
It's hard to lie.
You know what I mean and so itit.
It makes me soften a little tohumans in general and so I, you
(21:19):
know, I I like the show and Ilike the mystery element of it,
the smooth thing, and I like howin the beginning they're just
slaughtering faithfuls for thesilliest and dumbest stuff,
because it's just like when youdon't know what to do.
Jess (21:34):
You like people are like looking, they're like, well, you
didn't eat toast at breakfastand the faithful eat toast girl,
and that's the thing is thatthose theories at the beginning
be so wild, and I'm like butyeah, everybody sound like Tom
for the first two episodes.
Niq (21:51):
Right, but Tom is always Tom, but Tom is called Tom the
whole time.
Oh my gosh, have you seen theepisode where they were like
singing, having to sing thesongs from the dolls?
No, okay, not yet.
I can't wait for you.
It's a Tom centered episode andyou.
Jess (22:14):
I think I'm ready for a Tom centered episode it is so
entertaining.
Niq (22:20):
Please call me after you watch that episode.
Okay, I most definitely will dothat.
I would love.
When the season of Traders isover, let's have another talk,
clearly, we need to haveepisodes.
Absolutely, we need to talkabout the season in general Once
(22:40):
it hits a conclusion.
So great Okay.
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