20 Questions + Deep Chats!

Katie + Lauryn do a deep dive on 20 questions that may be hot topics, controversial or  just fun! Come hangout, grab your fave drink + listen in!

Episode Transcript

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I love that melody.
I know.
That's amazing.
Welcome.
Cry babies.
No crying on the internet.
You cry babies.
You cry babies.
Who knows if that's gonna be theactual I know.
I think that's a good one.
Yeah, that is really cute.
You guys are gonna be our littlecry babies, so love it.
You have no choice in thematter.

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Sounds fine, but I love to seeit.
So today we have a very specialepisode.
If you haven't heard our introepisode, go check it out.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but we're doing 20 questionstoday, so just learning more
about us.
And then our next one is aboutrelat.

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we just want you guys to get toknow us on like a deeper level.
Yeah., and we'll probably maybelearn some things about each
other, honestly, from thesequestions.
Who knows?, but yeah, so we cameup with 20 questions and by we,
I mean Lauren me Creativegenius, um, came up with 20
questions and we're just gonnadive right into it.
Honestly.
Let's go for it.

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Cause I'm excited.
Okay.
So how it's gonna go is I'mgonna ask a question, Katie will
answer, and then I willobviously answer as well., and
then we'll just keep going backand forth.
Beautiful.
So first question is, do youbelieve in having a soulmate?
Oh, you really switched it up.

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I was looking at the firstquestion over here.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Nope.
Um, I do.
I, Okay, so beforehand I used tothink we just had one soulmate.
Mm-hmm.
and.
My ex told me I don't believe inthat, blah, blah.
And I remember getting so mad athim because I was like, Oh no,
you're so many.
But now I think we can havemultiple, and I think that has
changed because I'm literallydivorced.

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So I don't know.
I think maybe I thought about itbeforehand, but I think we can
have multiple, I think we havemultiple.
Yeah.
But I do definitely believe inthem.
Yeah.
What about you?
So I'm actually surprised we'reon the same page about this.
Really?
Yes.
So, um, I think when I wasyounger, I definitely thought

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there's only one person for you.
Yeah.
That's like literally made foryou.
But once I actually startedgetting into like, like dating
seriously and getting intoactual romantic relationships, I
was just sit, I would sit thereand think like, you know, I
personally think you cangenuinely make it work with
anybody that you really wanna bewith anyone.

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in a sense.
Yeah.
If they wanna make it like that,if they wanna make it work with
you and you, vice versa, you canmake it work.
I agree with that.
And I think when you're raisedreligiously mm-hmm.
I think that that can be, and weboth were.
And so I think that you think,oh, there is one person.
Mm-hmm.
And so I think now growing up,and I think like in the modern
Christian world, we're kind oflike diving into that a little

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bit more and kind of busting themyth, I guess.
I don't know, I, I don't know.
But I do think that there can beI do, I like what you said that
anyone, I think you just have tomake sure you have the same
values, morals, all of that.
But I think when you do, I thinkyou can make it.
Exactly.
I think there's multiple forsure.
Y'all, I cannot believe on thesame page.
Were you expecting somethingdifferent from me?
I thought you were gonna belike, No, there's only one for
me.

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That's why I obviously, Buthere's the thing.
Maybe there is a way she's like,Well, because I'm like, well,
maybe my divorce was just like alesson.
and maybe there is one personout there for me, the hopeless
romantic wants me to thinkthere's one.
Well, the thing is, and youknow, I'm a hopeless romantic
too, but it's just like, I don'tknow, like being in a

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relationship now where like, Ifeel like we both would do what
we need to do to make it work.
I'm like, Yeah, it's because we,we just, you're putting in the
work.
We're, Yeah.
So I don't know.
I, there's just so many peoplein the world.
Yeah, no, that's true.
Like you guys, our choices,little things change the tr

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trajectory of our life.
Like, you never know what'sgonna happen.
Oh yeah.
I mean, you never know.
I thought my life was gonna bedifferent a couple months ago.
You never know.
So it's like, yeah.
You know, you meet so manydifferent kinds of people and
like the things, almosteverything that I thought was
gonna happen has not happened.
Like that is like, so that isthe facts.

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That's nice.
Yeah.
And like I'm just now getting toa point where I'm okay with it.
And I think as far as having asoulmate, like, whew, I don't
know, you can really get yourfeelings hurt thinking you
really got one soulmate.
That is true.
Yeah.
So, okay.
Let's go into something you lovedoing as a kid that you want to
start doing again or that youstill do now.

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Oh my God, go for it.
So I really love this question,because I read all the time.
Yeah.
Like when I was a little likegoing to this scholastic like
book fair that's bringing suchgood memories, I mean, I would
be so excited and like I can.

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coming home with like the littlenewsletter thing and circling
the things I would want out ofit and showing it to my mom and
her being like, I'm giving youthis much money.
Make it work.
And man, wow, I want a budget.
You really had to figure outwhat you really wanted.
Yeah.
So I would get like, I love thatso much.
Yeah.
So I would get like,, Junie bJones books classic and like

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stuff like that, you know, thatwas my jam and I, and I just
love to read.
Yeah.
Still.
And I remember whenever I wasstill in college how hard it was
for me to get by sometimes cuzI'm like, the last time I read a
book was Moms in high School,but college is all boring books.
it's all boring.
And I'm like, it's, I justcouldn't read anything for just

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enjoyment.
Yeah.
You know, it's just reallyescape.
It's my favorite way to justlike wind down and.
dive into something that'stotally unrealistic, that just
would not happen.
Um, so reading and I used towrite, This is something I don't
think you know about me, Ooh.
So I used to write like scripts,short stories, kind of, I wrote

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short stories.
Really?
Yeah.
That's so crazy.
Like, I would, Cause I wouldlike come up with these names
really?
And like, Yeah.
And I'd be like, Oh, like,that'd be like a cool name.
And I would literally write itout like a script in notebooks
and like, that's something Iwant to get more back into cuz
like, I wanna really dive intowriting.

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Yeah.
And having my own books and likepublishing them and things like
that.
When you really Yes.
I did not know that about you.
I really do.
I really think I do.
That's amazing.
I know it's weird.
So I wrote,, I was a horse girlin like fourth and fifth grade
and I wrote horse books, So meand my friends, like Spirit.

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Yeah.
Kind of literally I would writehorse books.
Oh my God.
That's not something I wanna doat the moment.
So what about you?
What, what is it then?
Sophie, if you would've asked mea couple months ago, mine
would've been reading too.
But now I'm reading a bunch ofnonfiction and I would not have
done that as a kid, which is socrazy.
Cause I do all I'm reading rightnow, nonfiction.
It's all I'm into.
Right.
It's all I can, like, I don'tknow.

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For some reason I cannot readfiction right now.
I don't know.
So see, mine is coloring.
I just got back into ColoringLove.
So I've been like zoning out ina podcast and just coloring.
So I'll bring it to like myfamily's house.
I'll literally just sit, put myheadphones on and color and it's
been the best thing.
I'll watch Gilmore Girls.
Sometimes I'll listen or likeI'll watch a YouTube video while

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I'm coloring, but it's goodbecause I'm doing something with
my hands and like my brain, youknow what I mean?
Yeah.
Like I'm listening and also, andlike it's, but it's a good way
for me to like chill out and notlike think.
Yes.
So that's my coloring.
I love that I went through mylittle coloring phase again when
I was in high school, when thoseadult coloring books came out.

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Yeah.
That's literally what I'm doing.
Oh.
It was our jam.
There was like, there was likeseveral of us that I remember
and we would color like it justat the most inappropriate times,
like in the middle of class.
Just like moving outta coloringbooks.
Trying to, I wish I would'vecolored in class.
Yeah.
I think I would've paidattention more girl.
I was in my own world then justlike I am now.
So Oh god, that's a good one.

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Okay, so what is the bestcompliment you have ever
received?
Ooh.
I think honestly it's been allthe compliments I've gotten
lately.
Like just, I mean, because thisis the hardest thing I've ever
had to go through.
So people telling me like, youknow, like one of my friends

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told me today, I've beenhandling it like a G So just
like how much, how well I'vehandled this, I think has been
so awesome because beforehand Idon't think, I don't know, I
just, I think that that is sonice and people, you know, Oh,
also a compliment.
This isn't really a compliment,but it felt like one, There's
been a couple girls on TikTokthat have said to me like, I've

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started going to therapy becauseof you, and that is like so
heartwarming.
That would make me cry.
No, it did.
Like, and, and.
Girls telling me like, um, youknow, I started my like, healing
TikTok because of you.
Like you, your page inspired mypage.
So things like that, like frompeople that I don't even know,
it's like, oh my gosh.

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And I mean, I have a coupleclients too who I've helped get
into therapy who have been like,I think it'd benefit you.
Like I love therapy personally.
Yeah.
So that's been something that'sbeen so huge.
So like, I think in my personallife, friends and family telling
me like, You are so strong, likeyou've handled this so well.
Yes.
Cause I think anybody that goesthrough anything crazy is

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strong, but like, it depends onhow well you handle it too.
Like with grace and compassionand whatever.
Or you can kind of freak out andlet it control you.
Mm-hmm.
So I think that that's beensuper nice.
And then, yeah, the therapything has been, Insane.
That is such a good asscompliment.
I don't know what I thought youwere gonna say.
I honestly that put me on thespot for a second cuz I was

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like, it makes you really think,I was like, shit, what do people
do?
That was a good question.
Okay, what's yours?
so mine has to be, This was justrecently too, actually., since I
started working at the spa andgetting to know the people
there.
Yeah.
The girl that works at the frontdesk with me literally said, I

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wish, I just didn't care as muchabout what people thought, you
know, and, and like how you are.
I aspire to be more like youevery day, And I literally was
like, That's so nice.
When she said that, I was like,Girl, I do care.
I like, I do, but I don't at thesame time and not in like, Rude

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way.
Yeah.
At all.
It's just that I think I'm at apoint now where I realize like,
I can't be bothered by you havegood boundaries.
People's opinions of me are,Yeah.
I like, I know everyone's notgonna like me and especially in
like a work setting, like thethings that I'm asking someone
to do or like whatever, havenothing to do with really me

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personally.
It's the job.
Yeah.
Like I can't do this X amount ofthings for you because that is
above me.
Yeah.
And honey, I only do things inmy pay grade.
So I mean I think you wouldliterally, you, when we work
together, I think you told mewhat to do all the time.
all the time.
Like Katie, like go dosomething.
No, I was really bad about notdoing anything ever.

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Geez.
Gosh.
She was really good atbullshitting y'all.
She was so good at that.
Was that I think I still am.
I'm the queen of it.
But yeah, when she told me that,That's so, like, I wish, I wish,
like, I was just more like,That's cool because you haven't
known her for very long.
So for her to like, you likeexude that though, that energy
of just like, you're, I thinkit's more about you.

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We can all see it.
I say we collectively, we canall see that you're just
confident.
And so it's like you are stillan emotional person.
Yeah.
But you don't care aboutopinions of others, like what
they think about you.
Yeah.
And when I like have thosemoments where I start to feel
like that Yeah.
I'm like, wait a minute.
Yeah.

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Because they're basing that offof this one interaction or,,
under preconceived notions.
Yeah.
Like, you know, and like, I, Idid my best in that moment.
It is what it is.
Like it truly is what it is.
You Well, if someone doesn'twanna take the time to have
another interaction Yeah.
And base their opinion off thatone.

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That's kind of like, But if it'slike, if we're talking about
like you or like.
Brittany or like Corey or like,you know, even my family
sometimes, which that's a wholeother conversation with, you
know, their opinions and stuff.
like outside of that, like,these people don't know me.
Yeah.
Like your close family andfriends, that's what matters.

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Exactly.
Then everybody else, it's like,and even then I'm not, you can't
live to please other people.
Oh, a hundred percent.
So yeah.
Her saying that.
Yeah.
Great compliment.
That's an amazing compliment.
Yes.
Okay, let's do something kind offunny.
It's a hot dog considered asandwich.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
Sorry, I had to cut you offOkay.

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Before you answered Okay.
But like, wouldn't it be asandwich though?
Because, because it's two piecesof bread, but is it two pieces
of bread?
No, it's one connected.
So it's not a, but it breaks,it's two pieces of bread.
It's not supposed to breakthough.
It's not supposed to break.
But you could literally put ahot dog.

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between like, like a, like anactual piece of bread.
And I used to do that hot dog.
I've had to do that too.
Sad.
I mean, kind of.
Cuz it doesn't hit the same.
Still not a sandwich though.
It's it's a hot dog.
So you think a hot dog is a hotdog?
Yeah.
What do you think?
I don't know.
I'm like staring at her eyes sohard right now.
I know.
Like I'm scared.

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I What do you think?
I dunno.
Honestly, honestly, we needy'all to, on the funny ones,
please let us come down and giveus, We have another funny one
that me and Lauren will debateand I literally asked this all
the time.
she literally one day justrandomly asked me this question.
I like What a hot dog.
I'm wanna say it's a sandwichbecause in general sense it

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literally is, it's a piece ofmeat between two things of
bread.
It's, that's a sandwich.
Okay.
But you can have a veggiesandwich and that has no meat.
It's something between.
I just don't think so.
I think hotdog is classified asits own entity.
It's own, It's like asubcategory, literally of
sandwich.
No, but then I guess that'sstill sandwich.
That's what I'm saying.

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If it's the category, I'm gonnabe d I wanna be different and
say no.
No, it's not.
I don't, Okay.
I'm gonna say it is.
Okay.
Papa, I'll to agree to disagreeon that.
Okay.
All right.
So next question.
What is the worst advice youhave ever been given?
I knew you were gonna ask thisone.

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I don't know why, but I felt itand I was like, I, I literally
don't know what I'm gonna say ifshe asked this question.
I've been avoiding this one.
Um, worst advice I've ever beengiven.
Can you go first?
Cuz I actually really don't knowy'all.
I didn't know these questionsbeforehand, so I've had
literally no, and she didn't,like, I don't have any like
preconceived answers.

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honestly, I would say like, WhenI wrote this question, I just
thought about like taking itback to high school.
That's what I'm trying to dotoo.
We're we're all like literalchildren trying to give each
other advice on likerelationships and stuff.
And it literally also is just sobad.
I think, you know, I understandthis, but telling like people

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and everybody you have to go tocollege.
That's something that I got alot that, I mean I did go to
college, but for something thatwas not really a degree, you
know, So it's like, I thinktelling people that is bad
advice or that's kind of, Iguess, not bad advice I've been
given because I did go tocollege, but I don't know.

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I'm trying to think.
I do think, yeah, I'm sure we'veall given, I just thought about
mine, Oh, what is it?
So at my previous place ofemployment, Yikes.
one of my like leaders.
After I was, you know, Ihonestly, y'all my last job that
we can talk about that in adifferent episode, but
emotionally, mentally, it reallydid a number on me.

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the environment was fine.
The people were great.
The job itself was absolutelyterrible.
Um, and when I was expressingall these things to one of my
leaders, um, this personproceeded to say, Well, maybe
this job would be a great wayfor you to work on your anxiety
and work through that.
No, they did not.

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Yeah, you did not tell me that.
And I'm like, No, no, babe.
I need to go to therapy.
Like, no, my job is my job.
And when I, That's, I'm sorry.
That's, that's just terribleadvice.
Like, I know maybe I've hadworse advice, but that I like
still think about that off andon to this day.
I hate that so much.
Like, what do you mean?

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Like, I'm telling you that I'mso anxious, like I go to sleep,
anxious about the next day.
Yeah.
Which means I'm not sleepingwell.
I'm nervous just throughout theday.
Cuz it's like, it can be goodnow, but everything can go to
crap in like minutes.
I processed payroll before this,so if anyone's like, what was
her job?
I processed payroll and, um, itwas rough to say the least.

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Yeah., but yeah, like shebasically was trying to say
like, well a job like this couldlike help you work on your
anxiety.
And I'm like, No, I think thosethings should be separate.
Like that's no.
Like, I wanna come to work tomake my money.
Yeah.
And leave and be able to leavework at work.

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And when she said that, I wasjust like, you know what, maybe
this place is not for me.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I feel like it's not, I feellike too.
Maybe I don't have a specificmoment, but like worst advice or
just whenever, you know, in yourgut, like when people are like,
Oh, just push through or like X,Y, and Z and you know, in your
gut like, I don't wanna be doingthis.
Or like, you know, in your gutsomething different.

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That's always so annoying whenit happens.
Yeah.
That story just reminded me ofit when people are like, well
maybe just, you know, pushthrough in this topic or, and
it's like, no.
Yeah.
Or like when someone says, likethings will get better.
Yes.
When you're like in a really, oryour gut is off, like trust it
and it's like you're just sayingthat cause you don't know what
else to say.

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A hundred percent.
Yeah.
And that's okay if you don'tknow what to say.
Like Yeah.
Like you don't have to sayanything.
Yeah.
It'd be much be better if youjust didn't say anything at all.
Exactly.
Okay.
Um, biggest regret, Oh, I dohave an answer to this one.
Okay.
Go for it.
I regret not.
It's continuing to play clubvolleyball whenever I was

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younger.
Yeah, because I was prettyathletic and I didn't start
playing volleyball until I was alittle bit older, but at the
time my coaches saw a lot ofpotential in me and was like, I
think you should try out fun,like flat ball and like whatever

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you can continue.
But yeah, like they encouragedme to try out, I did.
I got on like the best likelevel that I could at my age
group.
Yeah.
And I think because it was somuch change and because I was
more concerned about my sociallife and missing out on things
at school, like I, I reallydidn't continue doing it and I

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kind of wish I did because Ithink that like, just kind of
think about like what could havebeen is what I get stuck on.
Yeah.
So I would say that's like oneof the things I regret, but what
do I regret?
Everything.
No, I'm just kidding.
Everything.
Um, I feel like mine's kind ofsimilar.
I feel like maybe not pursuingmusic as much as I could be.

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Mm-hmm.
or mm-hmm.
or could have been just like,you know, it's hard when you get
into a relationship, like, andthis is so funny cuz my voice
lessons teacher from, like, I, Itook lessons from him from like
12th grade to eight.
Wait, no.
Sorry, 12.
I was 12 years old to 18 yearsold.
Okay.
And sorry, he and um, he toldme, he was like, Once you ever

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date someone, or he told methis, like, as I was older,
obviously not as I was 12 yearsold, but like when I was
starting to become like 17, 18,he's like, When you start dating
someone, music is gonna be somuch harder for you.
Like, you're not gonna wannawrite because all you write is
sad songs.
And so Oh really?
Yeah, he told me that and I waslike, No, that's literally,
you're lying.
And both times I've been inserious relationships.

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I have not wrote music as muchor barely any.
And it's always been after thosethat I've like wrote music and
like fully pursued it.
And so I think just like, I wishI would've continued writing
and, and I mean, I've put stuff,I've put like, cover songs out
while dating people, but notever like focusing really on my

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music and like pursuing it.
So that's something that I thinkI regret.
What?
That's really interesting thathe said that to you.
Right.
And I remember it so much now,but back then I was like, you
know, people, like older peopletell you things and you're like,
literally shut up.
Like you don't know who you'retalking about literally.
And then sometimes they stilldon't, but no, sometimes they

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still don't.
But sometimes maybe popping off,because this one I was like,
Yeah, you're right.
That's crazy.
I know.
Okay.
All right.
Well, isn't my turn to ask aquestion?
Yeah.
Okay.
do you prefer movies or TVshows?
TV shows a hundred percent.
Same.
I'm not really, like, honestly,I can't just sit down and watch

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a movie.
I'm really bad.
I have to be doing, like when Itell you like I'm coloring or
I'm doing, I'm on my phone, LikeI can't just be watching a
movie.
But TV show's so much easier forme to like do something.
Like a series.
Yeah.
Or like having just like showson the background.
Like I'm not someone who.

(22:46):
I watch all of YouTube.
I'm not a big like TV or movieperson.
Yeah.
But right now I'm watching.
Speaking of off topic, have youbeen watching, uh, selling the
oc?
No.
Is it good?
Please start so we can talkabout it on the podcast.
I'll start.
I need to hear your opinionabout these people.
Okay.
Don't, So like, somewhere, I'mso opposite.
It comes to liking people.
I tell sometimes with, with,that's true.

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Sometimes we love the samepeople and hate the same people.
Or sometimes we have suchopposite people.
I don't, I don't really thinkit's ever in the middle when it
comes to that kind of stuff.
Literally not, not ever in themiddle.
Well, I'm definitely more of aTV show person, but I will say
I, if I do watch movies, Ire-watch a lot of stuff.
I rewatch a lot of movies thatI've, I've already seen.

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Me too.
Um, like holiday movies or likeChristmas ones.
Those are ones that I canrewatch and rewatch.
I'm a big like holiday moviegirl.
Like I'll sit and watch like aChristmas movie, but I don't, I
don't know unless I'm going tolike the movie theater.
You just really, I don't wantto, I'm not trying to, Yeah, I
said movie theater.
I said that movie theater.
Yeah.

(23:49):
I said that kind movie.
How are we supposed to say it?
The theater.
Movie.
Theater.
Theater.
Yeah.
But I said Theater tur.
Theater.
Tur.
Enunciation.
Um, um, I really like the TVshows.
I mean, I like reality tv, soI'm all about it.
That, that is.
How did you like selling the oc?
I probably would.

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Yeah.
That's totally my vibe.
I love reality tv, but I rewatchTwilight like once a week, so I
mean, Twi Hungry used Twilightin a long time.
I just, I don't know, it justhits the same every time.
And it just like it's com Is itcomforting?
Yeah, I, It's really comforting.
The second one, I don'tnecessarily, My gosh, I just, I
love the, the whole, the wholeshebang.

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You watch all four of them everysingle week.
almost.
I love that for you.
I didn't know that.
Or like, I'll at least get thefirst one in cuz I don't
necessarily have the time to sitthere and watch every single
one.
But like, if I like, have thetime, I'm going to watch the
whole series.
Especially if it's Hunger Gamestoo.
Ooh.
I love the Hunger Games.
I love, I do love me in earlytwo thousands movies.

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Those are my vibe.
Yeah.
I do love those.
I love those.
Okay.
Okay.
has a friend ever broken yourheart?
100%.
Wow.
I could share some details.
Yeah, absolutely.
without going into too muchdetail.
Yeah.
I would say my mom.
Okay.
So my mom is like a veryintuitive person.

(25:15):
Yeah.
She is one of those people whereif you want something to happen
in your life, and she just saysit, it's, it's gonna happen.
It's gonna happen.
But like, you, like, I betterhope that she can like, like she
just says it and it just, youknow, cuz if it comes out of her
mouth, it's going to come tofruition.
It's scary.
It drives me nuts.

(25:36):
That's insane.
It drives me absolutely nutstoo.
Cuz she, she said that me andyou, we haven't shared that
we're gonna do what we're gonnado.
I know.
And, uh, we're doing it.
That is true.
And we're gonna dive into that.
Should we just say it?
Um, no, let's wait.
No, I don't have to say it.
We'll wait.

(25:57):
I love that.
For us, we're not gonna sharethat yet.
Um, but she was right aboutthat.
Yeah.
And when it comes to just alittle backstory, her mom said
something and then I said thesame thing the next day.
Mm-hmm.
or like a It was a, it was, itwas a week.
Oh, it was a week, Okay.
It was about a week apart, butso we had never.
Doing this specific thing beforeever.
Mm-hmm.
And then I was just like, Ithink it could be fine.

(26:18):
And then Lauren was like, Oh myGod.
Literally have to tell you whatmy mom said.
And now we're doing it.
Yeah.
And so to circle that back tothis question, my mom was very
much right about a certainperson that was in my life at
one time.
a friend I had, and she had toldme she's not your friend.

(26:38):
Like, yeah, it's not gonna last.
It's not, you know, she's justnot a good friend to you.
And like, we were younger andlike, we're still really not
friends now.
Like, no hard feelings, we justaren't.
but long story short, it waslike, it was almost like if I
said I wanted something, it'slike she would have it.

(27:02):
Like, Who?
Your mom?
No, like this friend.
Oh.
Like, it's like, it's like, itwas almost like one of those
things where you don't realizeyou're telling someone too much
until you're like, Oh, crap.
Everything.
So like, anytime you said thatyou wanted something, she would
just slow.
She would just have it.
Like, it could be a friend, itcould be, um, a crush.

(27:22):
Like she would go after it thenext Yeah.
No, that's us.
Or like, I would, or it can bean idea or something.
But you said, I like thisperson.
She would try and go after thatperson.
You could like, I couldliterally visibly see like,
like, you're flirting with thisperson.
You're like, Yes.
Not a good friend.
Yes.
And my mom was right about that.
and it was just like, and thereason it broke, it broke my

(27:43):
heart because it was like, Icould tell if me and her were
hanging out, we were fine if wewere in a group.
It was almost like I was, shewas trying to ostracize me Yeah.
In that group.
And then I would, and I likeconsciously realized this, still
trying to make.
the friendship work and I'mlike, like it's, yeah, it's just

(28:03):
sad because I felt very lonelyat that time.
Yeah.
and I mean, in my adult life,like I've had people, like, like
friends break my heart in thesense where it's like I share
something really exciting and itjust like they don't have that
same energy or it's like, okay,that's cool.
Anyways, back to me.

(28:24):
No, that's frustrating.
It's frustrating when you have,cuz that's the biggest thing is
like, as adults, we should beeach other's biggest hype
people.
Exactly.
This world is so, not to becynical, but like, it's just so,
it's hard already.
So it's like everyone's afterthe same thing or like, you
know, we're all after success Iguess in our own ways, but still
it's hard and a lot of people.

(28:45):
Hype other people up, you know?
Exactly, exactly.
So that's, that's, you know,that was a harsh thing to
realize, but that's why you havelike your acquaintances, your
friends, and you have like yourbest that you can tell anything
to, and you know they're goingto cheer for you a hundred
percent.
And I, and I just hope everybodyfinds that person if they

(29:06):
haven't already.
Yeah.
Or those people because it's, itmakes a world of a difference.
No, a hundred percent.
So I would say mine was highschool too.
Mm-hmm.
and then going into college.
but we were best friends fromlike seventh grade.
Mm-hmm.
to freshman year of college.
I think freshman year werethings just, I mean, you're not
living the same life anymore,you know?

(29:26):
No.
And so I got into a relationshipand she kind of, you know, got
into more like partying andstuff.
And I mean, honestly, I thinkpart of it, maybe this goes into
like the regretful thing that wejust talked about, but like, I
wish I wouldn't have.
Not that I don't, not that Iwish I would've gotten, not
gotten in that relationship.

(29:47):
I mean, it was a shitrelationship, but everything
happens for a reason.
I, I truly believe that.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
But I wish I would've still madethat friendship a priority
because I felt bad for years,and I finally ended up, and I
mean, we're on good terms now.
Like we've, I saw her last year,I think at some point.
Mm-hmm.
But I mean, it's not like we'rebest friends like we were, I
mean, we're probably just moreso acquaintances.

(30:08):
But I mean, for so many years Ithought she hated me.
And for some reason I have thisweird feeling that like everyone
from my high school doesn't likeme.
Like all my friends from my highschool don't like me.
But because I kind of like, Ikind of ostracized myself.
Like everyone kind of went to,you know, the two big schools
that we have.
And then I went to a smallerschool and I didn't talk to

(30:29):
anybody anymore.
Mm.
And so, I just like, I mean, Ithink I tried, but it's hard.
It's just hard when you make newfriends and you're working and
going to school.
And so, yeah, I think that isone thing that was hard, but I
don't think I would've had thefriendships that I have now.
So I think that it always, itwas like meant to kind of, Yeah.
Like I think it was all, Idon't, I can't see myself being
best friends with those peopleanymore.

(30:50):
Yeah.
So it's like, I mean, I'm happywith how things worked out, but
I would say that that broke myheart.
But I think I also kind of didthat to myself.
Yeah.
Like it's just like I didn't, Iprobably didn't try hard enough.
She probably didn't try hardenough and then, And time just
does what time does and Yes.
And the one thing leads toanother and you're just not
close anymore.
Yeah, exactly.

(31:10):
Yeah.
I feel that.
So is my turn right?
Yep.
Okay.
Something you were scared to trybut really want to do.
Oh, I think there's a lot ofthings.
I would love to, I'd love to gosnowboarding.
I think that would be reallyfun.
Mm-hmm.
But I'm really scared to do it.
That is really terrifying.

(31:32):
So I watch, um, this show onBravo, it's called Winter House.
Ooh.
And like they basically, it'sthis group of people and they're
just, they live in this housefor two weeks, I think.
Something like that.
And I would like watching themsnowboard and stuff.
It kind of scares me.
Yeah.
I don't know if I actuallycould, I hate skiing.
I don't know why I would like togo snowboarding.

(31:53):
I think, honestly, what's thedifference is skiing the thingy,
The poles.
Yes.
And the snowboarding is likeliterally like mm-hmm.
honestly, both of them.
It's like, I hate skiing.
Cause watching them really hateit, bust their ass.
I'm like, Yeah.
I also really, something I wouldlove to do here is roller skate.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just talked about that.

(32:13):
Love to go roller skating.
But I just, I see.
When I was younger, I know.
I'm just, I don't wanna fall onmy ass.
I know.
I'm going to, so I just haven'tYeah.
Just gonna hurt.
Yeah, I haven't taken the plungeand like bought the stuff, but I
think it could be fun to likeroller skate and stuff.
But other than that, I feel likeI was gonna say something like
social media related, but I'mnot really, I feel like I go for
it with social media.

(32:34):
Oh yeah.
If I have something, I'm notafraid to like be vulnerable and
share it.
I mean, literally on my TikTokthe other day, I was doing
TikTok live and someone told me,a guy, literally of course, and
he didn't have a profile pictureand he said, I need to go eat a
salad And I also just laughedabout it.
I was like, Probably you'reright.
You, Yeah.
Like get your grains in.
Yeah.

(32:54):
Like, I literally just laughedoff.
I was like, Thanks.
And then another guy calmed him,was like, You look like Haley
Bieber.
I was like, No, I do not.
But thanks for the And I didn'tknow if he was like, completely
like satirical.
Yeah.
Like making fun of me.
But I was like, I'll take it asa compliment.
So I'm not, I don't think I'mreally scared to do things
social media wise.
I think mine's just, yeah, like,I don't know.
I don't know.
What else, What are yours?

(33:15):
Um, well I really wanna goskydiving.
Oh, hey, I, no, I wanna havereally bad, I dunno why.
I just do.
Has that always been a dream ofyours or it's more like, I
remember this because sinceyou've known me, not necessarily
like the last like two yearsI've thought about it and I, and

(33:36):
I've like, Really it's fromwatching these videos of people
doing it and it makes me soemotional.
I think it'd be very liberating.
Yeah.
I'm like, it makes me soemotional for some reason,
watching people do that.
And, um, Hot air balloon.
Yeah, like a hot air balloonwould love, but honestly, too
scared.
I would say like bungee jumping,like, yeah, something like that.

(33:59):
Mine are so much more tamecompared to you.
And I'm like, I just wanna golike, jump off the building I'm
like, huh.
I'm like really speedy.
But I think it honestly stemsfrom the fact that when I was,
um, younger, I was really scaredof roller coasters.
I'm still scared of rollercoasters.
I think I am, I think there's aslight fear there, but I, I
felt, I think I actually brokemyself from it because whenever

(34:22):
I was a junior, I think goingin, no.
Going into my senior year ofhigh school, my basketball team
went to Florida.
Oh my gosh.
That's so fun.
Yeah, it was for a basketballtournament.
And then we also went to DisneyWorld and I didn't want to be
the lame person.
Yeah.
In the group that didn't rideany of the rides.

(34:43):
And so I made one person sitwith me on every ride or next to
me, close to me.
Really?
Yes.
Shout to Alyssa cuz she, She didthat.
She's a real one.
She's a real one for that.
And I think I literally brokemyself out of it.
I'm like, I would get on aroller coaster now.
You love'em.
I don't necessarily know if Ilove them.
Oh.
But I think But you'll ride thefeeling though, like afterwards

(35:05):
I'm like, okay, that's not bad.
And it's actually fun.
I kind of wanna do it again.
Yeah.
It's liberating after Exactly.
During it, I hate it.
Like I haven't really got thatfeeling again in a while and
I'm.
I think like doing something'sgoing.
Six flag.
Can I get it again?
Yeah.
And like skydiving and, Oh,that's sweaty bun jumping.

(35:26):
Wouldn't get me the same, thesame feeling.
That's terrifying.
So that's, that's know from me.
But yeah.
I'm interested to hear thisopinion of yours, which is
worse?
A friendship breakup or romanticrelationship breakup?
Friendship breakup.
100%.
Absolutely.
I think, I'm gonna have todisagree.
Really?
Yeah.
It, it all depends.

(35:48):
It really all depends.
I would say your opinion isprobably more interesting than
mine because you've been throughMore than, Than I have in that
sense.
I've, Cause I've, through abreakup, I've been through a
friendship breakup.
Oh, my breakup wasn't even like,I didn't care.
your relationship.
My first relationship, I waslike, I didn't care.
Shout out to him.

(36:08):
He's doing just fine without me,so, Oh Lord.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I think yours is actuallygonna be more interesting than
mine.
you've been through more in thatsense?
I, yeah.
I think for me, I think it'sgonna depend on every single
person.
What, probably, because somepeople can have really rough
friendship breakups, and thensome people can have really

(36:29):
rough relationship breakups.
Mm-hmm.
and just weirdly enough, I havehad bad picks.
So are we on opposite sides ofthe coin on this?
Yeah.
I'm romantic relationships justcuz I've been through more
romantically.
Yeah.
And I, I feel like.
I feel like you've kinda hadsome bad friendship.
Yeah.
Breakups I have and I struggled.

(36:49):
Yeah.
And I've struggled withfriendships, I feel like, um,
like the last few years.
And I'm in a place now wherelike things are a lot more
settled in that sense.
and I think I'm just coming toreally understand just how
important it is Yeah.
To water your friendshipsbecause a hundred percent there

(37:12):
are friends I've had through allthe relationships, through all
the friends that have come andgone, whatever, they, they know
me.
Yeah.
They know younger me.
They know me now and likethey'll know me 10 years from
now.
Yeah.
And I feel confident in that andI've learned so much from, and

(37:34):
like.
I don't know man.
Like friendships are soimportant.
Yeah.
And especially cuz as you getolder it's hard to make new
friends, especially if, if youlike are wanting to make new
ones.
Cause sometimes some people arepretty much like, I'm set like I
got my people.
But if you care if I make a newfriend in a stable rela or a
stable job and like new peoplearen't coming in, it's hard.

(37:55):
Besides your job, it's reallyhard to make friends.
Yeah.
Outside of that.
And so you really have to, Idon't know, like water, the ones
you have, water are the ones youhave and take care of those
friendships.
The same amount of energy thatyou put into your romantic
relationships.
Like a lot of the things thatapply to a romantic relationship
also do apply to a friendship.
A hundred percent.

(38:15):
And I wouldn't say that like Iwould say now more in my life,
obviously I'm wateringfriendships and trying to hang
out as much as I possibly canwith everybody.
Cuz I know this phase won't lastforever.
Where like everybody you know,isn't married and doesn't have
kids and all of that kind ofstuff, but, Yeah.
I would say like I'm on theopposite side because I've had a
worse romantic relationship, butnow I'm on the side of like

(38:37):
watering my friendships more.
Yeah.
And everything like that.
Yeah, exactly.
So that, that was a good, I likethat little discussion that we
had.
That's good.
That was really good.
Okay.
So what is one thing that willalways make you smile?
You What make me so sad?

(38:59):
Honestly, though.
Yeah.
Like friends and family.
Oh, like a hundred percent.
my cats.
Yeah.
like a funny podcast.
Mm-hmm.
there's a lot of things when youreally start to like, think
about it, there's like, wait,there's a lot of things that
actually make me smile.
Yeah.
That make me happy.
Mm-hmm.
But you can get into such a moodwhere you're like, everything's
going wrong and I everythingsuck, blah.
Yeah.

(39:19):
Like when you're going throughlike a transitional period.
But I think, yeah, I thinkliterally going on a walk by
myself with Starbucks.
That makes me smile and like a,a good podcast.
Mm-hmm.
I'm thriving there.
Like literally thriving.
Yeah.
What about you?
For me, I would say like agloomy day.

(39:41):
I love a good gloomy day.
No.
You know how I am.
I'm like the opposite.
I love when it's like Gothamoutside.
I did actually like the weatheryesterday.
Were you thriving?
Yes.
Yes.
Like when it's just, I don'tknow.
There's something about thecloudy day.
Honestly, the perfect weatherthat would make me smile is
100%.

(40:01):
Like it's overcast, but it'slike 70 ish degrees.
It's not cold at all.
There's no wind and it's nothumid.
Like it's just you need to livein like Seattle.
Perfect.
In like the summer.
I, Yeah.
Or like the fall, I guesssomething.
If not like, I like being by thebeach though too.
Oh, me too.
Water makes me happy.

(40:22):
I water the ocean makes me.
So happy.
I don't love necessarily beingin the ocean, but being next to
it with a good bow.
Absolutely.
And maybe a topo Chico.
Ooh, that sounds amazing rightnow.
It does.
And it's like as, it's like 30degrees here we're talking
about.
Oh, literally.
I'm like, I think I need that.
Or like, fresh baked cookies,you know, I love sweets and

(40:45):
stuff.
I just made myself homemadecookies for the first time ever
through the day.
Ooh.
Was it good?
They were so good.
Oh my god.
I didn't make you them.
Okay.
You um, It's my turn, right?
I think so.
What was the last thing youcried about?
Um, I know what it is fromtoday.
Didn't, didn't cry about thatactually, I did.

(41:09):
I almost did.
Cause I was, she got so mad ather boyfriend.
I did What?
Stupid shit.
for sure.
But I mean, wait, take it fromme.
Don't get mad at them for stupidthings.
don't fight over the smallthings.
You never know what's gonnahappen.
End up like me.
Divorce.
Lovely.
Oh my gosh.

(41:29):
That's funny.
That is funny.
I didn't decide if I wanted totalk about why I went to Atlanta
yet.
Oh yeah.
Actually I Did you cry about itafter?
Um, I cried.
Cried.
I cried like so I actually had afriend that went with me.
Yeah.
I'm so on the street when I tellyou I was Are you gonna talk

(41:50):
about in Israel?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
When I tell you I was literally.
The most hype I think I've everbeen when I got this news,
because this is a massivetakeaway.
So, long story short, I amsigned to a modeling agency here
in my city in o kc.
And so like, that's somethingthat I really want to do.

(42:11):
And, you know, I ended upsubmitting for, um, this
campaign, um, with GoodAmerican, like Chloe
Kardashian's Denim brand.
And I got a call back That'samazing.
Like a, like an invite.
Like, like they saw my stuff andthey wanted me to come.
So I threw together like a veryimpromptu trip.

(42:33):
Literally Lauren last week said,I need you.
I have a small favor.
And I said, Okay.
And I was thinking, she's like,You have to, we have to go
somewhere.
And I was like thinking, Okay,Target, Walmart, where do you
need me to take you?
She was like, we're going toAtlanta, Georgia next week.
And I was like, I'm literallymoving that day.
I absolutely cannot go with you.
But I would.
Oh, Katie's a writer.
She would, I know.
She would've like, Really?
Oh, I told her when she getsthis, like not if when she gets

(42:55):
this, I'm going to LA with her.
Yeah.
So I will throw some clothes ina bag, some money, and we are on
our way.
So I ended up like going downthere for this.
It's basically like an auditionto be in the campaign.
And I heard that Chloe likeliterally handpicks those people
that get an That's what I heard.
Wow.
That's crazy.
I heard that.
Chloe.

(43:16):
Now the people may correct me.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know, but I heard Chloehand picks the people that get
an invite.
Only, it's so crazy.
And you got an invite only.
Yeah, and it was just so crazybecause I have applied for it
before one other time.
and I didn't get it.
I didn't go to the open casting.
I was like, Okay, whatever.
this time around I was like, I'mgoing regardless.

(43:39):
Yeah.
I'm gonna go.
And I ended up getting thatemail and I just, I cried about
it because like my mom was like,You're doing something.
Like, I wanted to You about tocry right now.
No, I'm not gonna, Maybe not.
I don't know.
Oh, okay.
I saw your little eyes watering.

(43:59):
I thought, I don't know.
Maybe you're right.
Crying a little bit.
but like my mom just like reallybeing supportive and like Yeah.
You're like, no matter whathappens, like you just getting
up and going.
It's such a big deal, like it'sincredible.
So like you're driving to getthere at like the last minute.
Well and the weirdest thing wasyou told me like two weeks

(44:21):
before you got this, you werelike, Ugh, I just don't know if
I wanna do modeling anymore.
Yeah.
Like X, Y, and Z.
And I was like, Okay, yeah,whatever you'll do.
And all of those emotions justlike coming back, I'm like,
okay, wait, maybe I am on theright track.
Like even if it doesn't workout, like it's fine.
I'm like, it's the fact that oneof the biggest, I mean honestly,
yeah, one of the biggest denimlike company.

(44:43):
Honestly maybe one of even thebiggest brands in like the US
Maybe I don't invited you toliterally come.
It's insane.
And so that's the last thing Icried about.
And it was funny cuz I criedabout it like on the trip, but
my friend that I went with wasasleep when I was driving and I
cried for myself and she didn'teven know this.

(45:03):
It's so funny.
But I don't know, it was just,it's just like really nice to
know that like, Like you'rewanted in this space that like
you really wanna be a part of.
Ooh, I love that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like I love that.
Yeah.
It feels probably very likevalidating.
It does.
Cause I'm like, okay, like I'mnot crazy.
Like I really wanna do this.
And it's something I've alwaysbeen interested in.
Yeah.
Ever since I was little.

(45:23):
So yours were happy tears.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
Just being very grateful.
and having that feeling wasjust, it was very overwhelming.
Yeah.
But it was a good way.
So that's the last thing I criedabout.
Wow.
Not a turn mine into a sat.
No, I'm just kidding.
I did, I cried on what, today'sTuesday.
I cried Sunday.
I did cry Friday.
Cuz I was like, I cannot believethat.

(45:43):
Like, I'm so grateful that I'mable to afford this apartment.
And I just like literally wentinto my apartment and I cried
and thanked God.
Like literally.
And then Sunday I cried.
Sad tears because I was talkingabout this on TikTok, but I'm in
this really weird space where Idon't feel like the ground is
being ripped underneath meanymore.
And, but I don't feel like I'mhealed.

(46:05):
at all.
Like I don't feel like I'm, Ifeel like I'm getting there.
I can see the light at the endof the tunnel, but it's gonna
take a lot longer for me tobecome Yeah.
Healed.
And so I'm in this kind of likelonely space where like, I don't
know, just like being on my ownand actually living in an
apartment on my own scares me.
Mm-hmm.
and being alone scares me.
My therapist literally told me,I have to stop saying the alone

(46:26):
word.
She was like, You have to startsaying independent now.
She doesn't want you to stayalone.
No.
So she was like, You're livingindependently.
Oh my God.
Like, you're doing the samething, doesn't it?
Yeah.
And so she was like, You cannotsay that anymore.
Cuz I have this really weirdthing where I consider, I think
lonely and alone are the samething, and they're not at all,
like, I can be alone for myevenings and not be lonely.

(46:48):
Mm-hmm.
But for some reason I thinklike, Oh my God, you know, no
one wants to hang out with me.
Or like, I'm totally alone andlonely.
And it's like, no, you're not.
It's okay to like, it's okay tolove me.
Like love my own time with me.
I'm not there yet.
So that was like kind ofoverwhelming for me on Sunday
because I used to love beingalone and like I used to love my

(47:12):
me time and now I'm, I getstressed when I'm alone.
Like, I'm like, uh, I don'twanna be alone.
Like, I don't wanna be here.
And so that was a littleoverwhelming.
But I think one thing I'm reallytrying to do is sit in the
uncomfortableness.
I'm just uncomfortable with itright now.
And I know that I won't beforever, but right now I'm
trying to sit in beinguncomfortable and that's hard.
Like, that's part of healing.

(47:33):
So I'm just like, that's whatI'm trying to do.
Well it's cuz like, like youliterally were like yanked out
of the ground, like, and theroots are just, were like
hanging out.
Yes.
And like now you're likereplanting yourself.
I love that.
Yeah.
Like my roots are in the groundnow, but they're not, they're
not rooting yet.
They're not, they're not likeintertwined with the rest of the
foundation yet.
Yes.

(47:54):
It's like I'm getting, I've beenplanted now.
Yeah.
In my own space.
Yeah.
I feel good about it.
I have a lot of unpacking Istill need to do, but.
It's like, I'm not, Yeah.
I'm like in this weird middleground.
Yeah.
Well that's good for me to hear,just because like I've, I mean,
life has been crazy for you.

(48:14):
Yeah.
And like because of how quicklythings have changed, I think
you're like, you feelings aboutit and like your healing has
also been kind of on that sametrajectory in a sense.
Yeah.
Which I think is part of whyit's like you would have like
these shocking, just like, likeyou think you're doing okay and
then one day you're just superupset.

(48:34):
Yes.
And you all of a sudden thinkyou're not on the same track as
you thought you were.
And I'm like, Dude, you arestill okay.
A hundred percent.
You were still doing that.
Were you worried about me?
Hell yeah.
everyone I asked that, they'relike, Yeah.
And I'm like, Oh yeah, thatmakes me feel good, but also
makes me feel sad.
No one worry about me justbecause I'm like, Cuz I think

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too, you.
Don't see yourself the way that,like, I see you in like a really
just like independent person andthat you can take care of
yourself, you think.
Of course.
Well, thank you so much.
Think that's why I cause of whenI got to, when we became friends
though, you were on your own.
Yeah.
You know, and you were in ourrelationship, but like, I was

(49:17):
living all my own, You were allliving on your own.
You were taking care yourselfand just having to do what you
had to do.
Yeah.
And that's why I like thankedGod when I moved into my
apartment.
Yeah.
Cause I was like, if thiswould've happened a year ago, I
would've been screwed.
Mm-hmm.
like financially, everything.
And now I have a great likecareer that, you know, I can
afford to live on my own andcan't afford to like buy
groceries and like do what Igotta do.
So I was just like, thank you somuch, God.

(49:39):
Because I like Yeah.
What you said, I live gotripped.
Mm-hmm.
from what I knew.
So yeah.
It's, it is cool.
And like, I mean, the apartmentsI live in are great.
Like they're, I feel so goodbeing in them.
I feel so safe, likeeverything's good, but, And with
how quickly everything happened,like.
What a blessing it is for you towhat a blessing.

(49:59):
Feel that way in your new livingspace?
A hundred percent.
No, a thousand percent.
Who knows?
Like you have no idea what couldhave happened.
Like, Oh yeah.
I told my family, I was like, ifI would've jumped the gun and
tried to go anywhere else at anyother apartment, I don't think I
would've loved it as much asthese.
Mm-hmm.
And it just worked out the wayit was supposed to do.
Okay.
So pet peeves on social media.

(50:22):
Okay.
Well I'm gonna have differenttakes on this than you because
I'm in the fitness world and soPeople that say they're coaches
or influencers that have nocertifications.
That's so annoying to me becauseyou're literally playing with
someone's health.
And that pisses me off so muchwhen people, There's a couple
MLMs out there that say they'recoaches that I'm not a big fan
of, but also just individualsthat think they know a lot and

(50:43):
are trying to give advice or youknow, friends and family are
trying to give you advice aboutthe carnivore diet or a keto
diet.
And it's like, okay, can youjust leave that to
professionals?
Like you wouldn't ask somebody,I don't know, this is
farfetched, but you wouldn'ttalk to someone about, I
wouldn't talk to you and askyour advice about my brain.
Like I'd go see a neuroscienceor something.
You know what I mean?

(51:03):
So it's like why do we do thatabout our health so much?
Yeah.
I think people like don'trealize that our health
literally is all we have for ourlives.
So that's one of my biggestthings.
And then people who I'm talkingall about influencers, I don't
know if you're going likefriendship or influencers.
It can be.
But like when influencers onlypost ads, And don't post

(51:24):
anything else.
Oh my gosh.
That drives me nuts.
It's like, bro, can we say alittle bit about your life,
especially post or let do onestory and then the next one will
be an ad and then once and thenlike there's like 10 ads a day.
Mm-hmm.
And it's like, okay, I know youhave to pay bills, but like that
is so many ads.
My brain is like overstimulated.
And what makes me send too islike you find like influencers

(51:45):
and you're like, Oh my gosh, Ilove them.
They're like my favorite,whatever.
And then you see that and startto start to happen.
Yeah.
That's one I literally,specifically what I'm thinking
about right now, And I'm justlike, Please.
It's like I can't, I can't dothis.
I, I think for me, like petpeeves, like social media, pet
peeves are like when people justaren't being, Here's my thing,

(52:06):
it's social media, so do whatyou want with it.
But people that preach liketransparency and like,
especially with like, if they'retalking about transparency, like
physically, so like not using afilter and whatever, and I'm
like, That's funny becauseyou're clearly wearing a filter
right now.
Ew.
I hate that.
I can't stand that.

(52:27):
Where if someone says they'reall natural and then you're
like, I think you got bow like,and that's, we don't know for
sure, but it's like, just ownit.
Own.
I feel like now we're in aculture where like you can just
own it and who cares what, whatother people have to say about
it cares.
And my thing is, it's yourprerogative if you don't wanna
share, but like, don't say don'tclaim one thing.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Mine's about claiming.

(52:47):
Yeah.
Either share or don't share.
That's totally up to you.
Like if you get Botox and thenyou're like, I'm just not gonna
share it.
Mm-hmm.
that's totally fine.
But don't, I don't know.
You know what I'm saying?
Drives me nuts.
I, I totally understand.
That's so annoying.
That's funny.
okay, what do you think ofsomeone's first impression of
you?
I feel like people's firstimpression of me is like, Wait,

(53:10):
should we do the other, like theother person People think of
like what I think people thinkof, of, yeah.
Okay.
So, okay, so I'll do your what Ithink people's first impressions
of you.
Yeah.
So the way I think, I thinkpeople think Katie is really
charming.
Really?
Yes.
I think they think you arereally confident what?

(53:32):
Yes, Yes.
I don't see any of this andsuper friendly, like open, like
bubbly.
Bubbly.
That's, I would think verybubbly.
Yes.
Especially because like I'vebeen around you whenever you've
met new people that don't knowyou.
Yeah.
And I know how I get when I'maround you specifically, cuz I

(53:54):
feel like it's almost like.
I can like relax a little bit.
Cause she can take same, she cando all the like, Oh yeah, yeah.
Like I can take the hit for us.
Yeah.
Cause I'm like, I don't have to,I don't wanna do it.
You know?
And so I'm the one thatliterally will keep
conversations going.
Yeah.
Cause I'm like, I'm over it.
I don't wanna talk about it.
But yeah, sometimes you'llliterally shut down.
Mm-hmm.
like you're rebooting.
And I'm literally over herelike, Okay.

(54:15):
And so then I literally have tokeep the conversation going.
I'm just like, Just ignoreLauren.
She's just gonna sit here andjust zone out.
Yes.
Because Katie's really good atjust like, just having those
conversations and I'm like,Okay, I'm gonna go over here.
And like literally, Is there abar?
Is there food Great.
That's funny.
That's Yeah, that's what, that'swhat I think people think of

(54:36):
you.
We should do.
Okay, let's do both.
So like now what people, whatyou think people think of you,
and then I'll do it for bothtoo.
Okay.
So for me, I feel like peoplethink I'm not very nice.
Really?
Yeah.
I feel like people think I am.
It's that, And I also feel likepeople think I'm more

(54:59):
extroverted than I am.
Uh, yes.
I was gonna say that too.
Like, I don't know what it is,but it's like when I first meet
people, like I want people to becomfortable mm-hmm.
And so, and I don't like sittingin silence around, especially
people that I don't know verywell cannot do that.
Like, if it's people I know,like it's fine.
And people that like, I'm reallygood friends with my best
friends, all that.

(55:19):
Like, that's fine.
Yeah.
I'm talking about like newpeople.
Those awkward silences.
Can't stand them.
No.
I will literally talk to a brickwall.
Yeah.
Like, I wanna be like a chat,I'm like a chat Cathy to those
people.
And, but like, I don't think,like, I'm genuinely, like, I'm
more of an introvert, but Idefinitely think people see me

(55:41):
as like more intimidating than Iactually am.
Yeah.
and more extroverted instead.
I was gonna say extraextroverted too, because I think
you kind of put on that frontfor a bit, for sure.
Mm-hmm.
I was gonna say like authentic,like I think people can see
you're really authenticallyyourself.
Oh really?
Yeah.
Like you don't change foranybody.
You say what you wanna say.

(56:01):
Mm-hmm.
you like speak your truth, whichI think people really admire cuz
I think a lot of people arescared to do that.
Oh.
Like, truthfully.
That's so sweet.
And then I was gonna say, I hadmore to say, but I literally
forgot.
I think funny.
I think people think you'rereally funny.
Yeah.
I think your humors, I thinkliterally anytime you've been
around anybody that I've known,they you've always made them

(56:22):
laugh.
Oh.
And I think you're good atconnecting with people too.
Mm-hmm.
That's so weird because I dothink you're more extroverted
than you give yourself creditfor.
Really?
Yeah.
I think you might be anextroverted introvert.
Like you need that alone time,but you're not.
Yeah.
I don't really think you're oneor the other.
Yeah.
I think you can be extroverted,but when you.

(56:42):
Like you when, how you rechargeis by being introverted,
reading, watching shows likethat kind of stuff.
But you're really good about, Imean, there's a few times you've
left me alone with a new person,but like other than that, you're
pretty good about like chattingwith people.
Yeah.
And like asking people, likewhen we were at dinner and you
ask that server Oh yeah.
To go.
Yeah.
I was like, whatever.

(57:02):
Like you're very good about justasking people to go do things or
like, These people don't knowus.
I'm like, whatever.
See, I'm scared.
I'm like, I'm embarrassed.
Yeah.
No.
Yeah.
Katie was whatever.
She won't care if I say that.
So we went to dinner and well, Icare.
I don't know.
She, I don't, I thought a guywas cute.
She was cute.
Yeah.
And, but I knew he was married,y'all.

(57:23):
And he had a feeling, Well, weneed clarification.
I need a little bit ofvalidation in that.
And I asked the server, I'mlike, Can you just go over there
and check and see if he has aring?
She had to walk by the, thetable.
Anyway.
Yeah, she did.
Because I'm like, that's if Iwalk up to the table, I wasn't
feeling that.
I was like, Nah, maybe no.
And I wasn't going to it either.
No, That's an absolute no.
No.

(57:43):
And I think you would've beenso, so embarrassed.
But y'all, I'm in my reclusemode.
She is.
I just told Lauren that likeliterally don't want to date
anyone for a year.
I want to be literally readingbooks, non-fiction only.
Yeah.
Listening to really good likeeducational podcasts about the
brain and health and whatever.

(58:03):
And working on my career andworking on my friendships and
family.
That's it.
And if y'all kept me doinganything else for the rest of
the year, smack me.
You put her in check.
Put her in.
Put me in check.
Yeah.
I was gonna say, for me, I thinkpeople think that I'm innocent.
Do you think people think I'minnocent?
I think I'm, I can maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think I'm kind of, I think Ikind of come off like that and I

(58:26):
am kind of innocent.
Like I don't kind of, And justin the sense of like, I mean, I
have a sailor's mouth for sure.
Yeah.
But like, I don't know.
I'm like not a party girl andI'm not.
Mm-hmm.
you know, I don't like smoke.
I don't drink, so I'm just kindof like chilling in the corner.
I feel like.
Yeah.
But I feel like bubbly is theword that I always get.
People describe me like, Ohyou're so bubbly.
Cause you're very like smileyand like, I think people think

(58:50):
that's flirting a lot of thetime.
And I'm straight up not forsure.
Like, I'm nice.
Don't, don't get that twistedwith other intentions.
Yeah, That's funny.
If I'm not nice to you and I'mlike my cheeks are red, I
probably do like you cuz I'mjust embarrassed.
But if I'm talking to you, Iprobably don't like you.
I haven't been around like aperson that like, I mean besides

(59:13):
Corey like.
but I was intentionally likelooking like, just looking for
attention whenever me and himmet.
Yeah.
So I was just like, whatever.
Like I'm single.
I just want guys to tell me I'mpretty Okay.
That's where I'm at right now.
I'm like, I want someone to tellme I'm pretty, but I don't want,
I don't wanna date you and Idon't wanna go on actual dates.
Actually, I was telling a friendthe other day, I was like, I

(59:33):
wanna go on a date so I can getmy food paid for.
Exactly.
And like have a good dinner.
Like I think there's nothingwrong with that.
Well, I'm getting to the pointnow that I'm like, a date
doesn't make me wanna throw upanymore.
Like I think it could be likefun to go casually date
somebody.
Mm-hmm.
I do not want a relationship.
Yeah.
At.
Oh, call if you catch me in arelationship before, before
whole year over with sister saidshe's gonna be single Four

(59:55):
years.
That's, and that is September toSeptember.
Everybody, she's like, countdown the day that 10 more
months.
Wait, really?
I'm just joking everybody.
I'm actually gonna be single.
No, she, she's gonna, I think, Ithink you are definitely gonna
be in your actual single girlera.
Re close, but not like partying.
Not, yes.

(01:00:16):
Not like party girl.
Like, But my thing is if, ifyou, But I do wanna go out for a
bit.
Yeah.
I wanna go out sometimes, butI'm saying like, just straight
up not me saying that.
And I don't go out either Iknow.
I'm like, who are you?
We should, Sometimes you go outwith me.
That'd be fun.
We should some time.
Yeah.
We, yeah, we would've a goodtime for sure.
Okay.
We, we literally said we'regonna speed around this and we

(01:00:37):
have, it's just gonna be wrong.
What is something you value themost in a person?
I value in a person?
I think their ability to make mefeel comfortable.
I don't know what word for thatis, but I really enjoy meeting a

(01:00:57):
person.
Yeah.
And, and like immediately beinglike, I really like them,
they're really cool.
And being able to talk to them.
maybe, I don't know, maybe it isauthenticity.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It could be the word.
but because like I'm in a placenow where I feel like I'm
surrounded by like reallyawesome people.
Yeah.
there's so many people that Ifeel like I could actually go to

(01:01:19):
and like, talk to that wouldlisten to me and like, you know,
take what I'm saying.
Seriously.
Cuz I feel like that's somethingI've struggled with in the past.
People not taking me serious.
Yeah.
Because I can tend to be a bitdramatic at times.
Oh.
Just a little bit.
But like, Even then though, likeI still feel like it's why our

(01:01:43):
podcast is called No Crying onthe We were the J Queen.
Yeah.
You guys like the literallytoday, the reason I was mad at
Corey, That's so stupid.
To get mad at him because I wascold.
That's literally why I wasupset.
That's okay though.
I got over it though.
We live in, we learn.
But that's time I got here.
Well, actually before I left Iwas fine.
Yeah, you were totally fine.
But like, stuff like that and Ithink like existential

(01:02:05):
circumstances can play a part.
Yeah, for sure.
Definitely.
It's definitely dispersed.
Sorry, everybody.
so what, what about you?
Something I value, I thinkvulnerability.
The ability to let me bevulnerable and the other person
be vulnerable.
Mm-hmm.
Cause that's something superimportant to me.
Mm-hmm.
is just like emotionally, likehow good are you?

(01:02:28):
Like where's your emotionalmaturity at?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I think also, I really don'tknow.
That's something that honestly,I mean, as far as friendships,
Yeah.
Like authenticity, like that'sgonna be the biggest thing for
me is just being authenticallyyourself and if we vibe when
we're both being authenticallyourselves.
Mm-hmm.
But I would say for like, likethat is something that I really,

(01:02:52):
actually want to focus on thisyear, is having a list of things
I want in people surrounding me.
Yeah.
Which I feel like myfriendships, they're on point
right now.
Like, I feel like I'm wateringmy friendships, you know, if I
meet other people that's fun,but like, I kind of like, I like
having a smaller circle anyway.
Yeah.
So that's fun for me.
But yeah, I also thought ofsomething else actually.

(01:03:18):
Um, Which is, I feel like you'llbe like, Really?
That's interesting.
But I really, I kind of likebeing around people that are
clearly not afraid ofconfrontation.
Oh yeah.
Like I, because I was justtelling someone how bo someone
about how both of us are prettygood about if we we're feeling

(01:03:40):
some type of way, we'll justtell each other.
Yeah.
But like that I would, I'm likethat with you.
But I feel like I could bebetter about that with like the
general public Yeah.
You know, cuz sometimes I'mlike, I really should have said
something, but I can be a littlebit too nonchalant.
And I'm like, sometimes you needto learn.
Sometimes it festers too.
Make it, Yeah.

(01:04:01):
Or like having that feelingwhere like something goes down
and you walk away and you were,you were sitting there thinking
about what you didn't say.
yes.
That happens to me so much in myclose friendships.
I think I'm okay withconfrontation and.
Like the general public whereI'm like, I really don't like
what that person said to thatother person.
Like, That's so annoy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, I wish I would've saidsomething.
And then it's like it eats youup.

(01:04:23):
So confrontational people.
Not like, No, not not every day,like, like fights and stuff.
But yeah, when I see them do itin a way that I would want to do
it, I'm like, I think we are.
So as like, I don't know if it'sa society or a generational
thing.
This is like kind of deepwhatever.
We're so afraid ofconfrontation.
Yeah.
And like how are we ever gonnabe better friends or better

(01:04:44):
partners or anything if we don'tconfront, of course doesn't mean
pick fights, like you said.
Yeah.
But we can't be afraid ofconfrontation.
Yeah.
I think there's such a thing asheld confrontation.
Exactly.
The confrontation has a negativeconnotation to it.
Confrontation has a negativeconnotation to it.
I thought that was funny.
Wow.
I'm like a poet over here.
I know.
Okay.
Fact about you.
That would surprise people.

(01:05:08):
I don't really think anything.
I don't think anyone, I thinkI'm so, I think I'm so
vulnerable with everyone.
Yeah.
Cause you, you do share a lot.
I share literally my entirelife.
I think if people didn't know Isang then, then I'm a singer.
But like, I think everyone knowseverything about me.
Mm.
Do you know like, Yeah, I thinkI'm super, I think.

(01:05:29):
kind of what we talked about.
Like I'm, I, I don't know ifpeople think I'm conf.
I mean, you said that I come offas confident to people, but I
think they would be shocked tothink that I'm really scared to
be dependent on myself.
Mm-hmm.
Something like that.
Maybe.
I mean, Yeah.
Cause I mean, that's super deepand people that like know you
Yeah.
That probably don't realizethat.
Like, I know it'll get betterand I know that it, it's just an

(01:05:51):
uncomfortable thing right now.
Mm-hmm.
But it's like a lonely,uncomfortable thing.
I'm like having to work through,but only I can work through it
on my own.
Mm-hmm.
do you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like, I, like I can hang outwith all the people and I love
doing that.
And that helps.
Honestly, that's been the numberone thing that's helped.
But there also comes a pointwhere you have to sit by
yourself.
Yeah.
And that's what I'm doing rightnow.
Yeah.
So it's like, great.

(01:06:12):
But I would say that that whatwhat for you?
This is a hard question.
It is a hard question and I'mkind of thinking of several
things.
I think the writing thing wouldtell people I had no idea.
Yeah.
Because.
I don't think it's too crazythat I like to read.
No.
Um, I don't think that's toosurprising, but I think the, to

(01:06:33):
the extent of which I reallylike books is like something
that might shock people.
Like the fact that like, I wannago back to school to get my
masters and I lowkey want to goback for library science.
That'd be fun.
Like, I like doing.
But all of your like creditstransfer and stuff, like I think

(01:06:54):
you, I think it would be, whoknows?
Did I actually, no.
You know what I actually thoughtabout going back to school for
psychology.
Really?
Yeah.
Because I been so into growthmindset.
Mm-hmm.
and like just everything thatcomes with, Do you know that
guy?
Sorry, this off topic.
Do you know that guy that scansthe brains from On the
Kardashians?
Yeah.
Dr.
Daniel Aon.

(01:07:15):
Yeah.
I've only been listening to himlately.
Really?
And it's freaking fascinating.
But that's one thing that I wastelling, I think maybe my mom, I
was like, really like psych?
I have.
Call it like, that's literallylike my classes.
Like I loved that.
I don't like biology though, oranything like that.
That was the worst part of it.
Love studying the science of whywe do things.

(01:07:35):
The brain, the brain, all that.
Like I loved psychology.
I did AP psychology in highschool, really loved it.
But I was just telling my mom,like, I think my ex really
pushed me to this like placewhere I had to have a growth
mindset.
And if you would've asked meyears ago, I would've told you,
Hell no, I'm not going to backto school for psychology.
Like, that's so dumb.
But now I was just thinkingabout it the other day.
I was like, what could I do thatwould, which I'm in a health,

(01:07:58):
I'm in a mindset certificationright now, but I would love to
dive deeper into that.
Sorry, I really stole yourentire answer.
Go for it, I mean, it's totallyfine.
Um, that's really, that issurprising.
I know.
I just thought about it like aweek ago, so it's not something
that I'm serious.
But it like popped up in yourhead and you're like, Yeah, well

(01:08:19):
I just, I don't wanna pay thatmuch money to go back to school.
I want the, Well, that's why Ihaven't gone back yet.
I don't, I gotta figure outexactly what I wanna do before I
go and more money on school.
It's like, I don't want to dothat.
And also, I don't really wannabe like a therapist.
I think I could be a goodtherapist, I'm not gonna lie.
Yeah.
But I need, I would need tofigure out what job.

(01:08:40):
Cause I also love fitnesscoaching and I'd wanna continue
doing that.
Yeah.
No matter what.
Yeah.
No, For me it's definitely like,that I wanna write, that I want
to, like, I'm afraid to say likethe, a word, like author, I be
like an author to be scared.
You'd self publish becausethat's very, like, the fact that
like, I could potentially likeliterally have a book one day.

(01:09:04):
That like I wrote, like thosewords are mine and someone
else's reading.
Even like you having it like,Like that is scary reading.
I'd love to write a divorcebook.
Like a book to help.
We have totally different bookswe would write.
Cause I have So would you writelike fiction, fiction, fiction,
contemporary romance, stuff likethat?
I would love that.
Crazy ass books because I'm verylike, You're super creative too.

(01:09:26):
Okay.
And I like when I see people Ilike so many times I will
literally be thinking one thingand then I'll see people and I
have a story that just pops upin my head about these two
random people.
No I can't.
I'm not that.
It's crazy.
And then I'm like, hold on, likeI have to get this in my notes
cuz if I forget this, I'm gonnafreak out.
Maybe that's a 2023 goal youhave.

(01:09:47):
Maybe I'd love to write adivorce book about divorce
specifically in your twentieswithout kids.
Yeah, because everyone's gotsupport when you have kids.
Mm-hmm.
Which is harder.
It's harder.
And everyone has support whenyou're in your forties, fifties.
Sixties, but there's not a lotof, like, I was literally the
youngest by like 30 years in mydivorce care group.
Oh wow.
And so it's, you're sittingthere and you're like, and my

(01:10:07):
thing is everyone has kids and Ican't even really support you in
certain, I can do the best Ican, but like I've never been
divorced.
Like yeah, everyone can do thebest they can with a long term
breakup, feeling like everyonecan do that.
But there's like an extra stepin it when you do the whole
wedding.
And at first, this is a bigtangent, I'm sorry, but at first

(01:10:29):
everyone, and we'll talk aboutmore in our relationship
podcast, but everyone is like, Itold everyone, they were getting
like, this is just a long-termbreakup.
Like that's what it feels liketo me.
But then I had to like literallyallow myself to say like, No,
it's okay that it, it's adivorce.
It's okay that it feels like adivorce.
It's okay that you can't relateto anybody cuz maybe that's part
of your message to everybody.
Yeah.
That's like going through it,you know?

(01:10:49):
Yeah.
Like you have to stop.
Cause I mean you are, are the.
second or third person that Iknow that's our age, that's
divorced.
Okay.
See, I don't know a single otherperson my age, but Well, maybe
y'all can like No, connect youwith, set me up with them.
But it's like we don't haveanywhere to go.
Really.
Like there's no community,there's no support system.

(01:11:10):
Like you have your friends andfamily and like a lot of my
family's been divorced, butthat's, you know, they've been
divorce my age, but it's beennow they're in, you know,
committed relationships thatthey don't, Can't relate to you
at this moment.
Yeah, exactly.
Wow.
So, Hmm.
We both have, That'll be reallying when Katie goes to her
authored dreams.
Yeah, that'd be fun.

(01:11:33):
I know we should make that likea 20, 23 goal that we just like
work towards it.
We should not that we couldpublish it.
Yeah.
But that we just work towardsthem.
Yeah.
And we can sit right here andright away.
Yeah, we should.
Oh my gosh.
That'd be fun.
I have all kinds of girl, it'sso unorganized.
I have, I have like just.
Paragraphs and paragraphs andstuff in my laptop on my phone.
Like it's just, they're all overthe place.

(01:11:53):
That is, But that's good.
You get'em written down, you'regonna forget'em if you don't.
I have to, cuz I have crazyideas that pop up.
Do you voice memo them?
Yes.
Or like video diary.
I'm like, Okay.
Like I'll like, Cause I alwayshave my phone like on the thing
in my car.
I need one of those.
I keep thinking every time I goto TJ Max I see one and I'm
like, Lauren has one.
It looks so nice.
Have car out.
Yep.

(01:12:13):
And I just, I have to get itout.
If I don't, I get really sadcause I'll be like, I forgot
about that.
That story could have beenreally like, That could've been.
Yeah.
That could have been one thatpopped off.
Yeah.
It's not like I can like sitthere and go back through my
brain folder and be like, Whatwas it I thought.
Two o'clock on the elevator atwork.
Like, you know what I think, no.
I think that I have reallycreative ideas, but my brain is

(01:12:36):
so cluttered, uhhuh, I think Ineed to like meditate to get it
all out.
Maybe because I can't think ofanything.
Like when I tell you nothing isgoing on in my brain right now.
Nothing is going on.
It's empty.
It's empty.
I think it's cuz it, there's somuch information flying that I
can't pinpoint one.
I mean it's pretty empty in myhead sometimes too.
Like it's just, mine feels emptyall the time.

(01:12:59):
Oh my gosh.
It's me.
Like, I promise you I have thatfeeling too.
It's not all just like vibes uphere.
It's not.
Cause I was like something wrongwith me.
No.
I'm gonna ask the next question.
Uhhuh is water wet?
Ba ba, ba water?
It is like, but here's thething.

(01:13:21):
If something is in water, itmakes things wet.
It makes it wet.
When you pull it out, the water,your hand is wet.
to water's.
What?
Water's?
Water.
Water's.
What's like a verb?
It's like an action, right?
Yeah.
I think water's, I gonna soundlike a dumb ass saying that.

(01:13:42):
I know.
This is the second question.
We need y'all's opinions on youguys, and I, I swear my opinion
on this changes every time.
No, I was about to say, I thinkmine was no, last time you asked
me, but now I can't remember,but I'm pretty sure I, My answer
is say all that.
Yes.
I definitely didn't say watersor what's a verb or whatever
last time.
That's true.
I've never heard that from you.
It's like an action.

(01:14:02):
Is it not?
No, I don't think it's a verb.
It's an adjective.
Oh, like, it's like adescriptive Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so then, No, it's.
Is water.
Water is not wet.
Water is wet.
Well, I guess it's a's the thingmakes things wet.
Water makes things wet.

(01:14:22):
So what, So does that mean thatit is wet?
I know if it makes things wet,it's wet.
It's when it hurts.
Okay, next question.
I'm over it.
Okay, so next question.
What is your favorite smell?
Ooh, I'm a big, Well, right nowit's Christmas time, so I'm a
big pine candle girly.

(01:14:43):
I also, Like freshly bakedcookies.
That smell is, Were you thinkingjust candles or It could be any
smile, I think like a cinnamon,cinnamon roll.
Ooh.
Like desserts.
But I don't like candles thatsmell like desserts.
You know those like, I can'tstand that either.
No, they smell food candles.
They're disgusting.
Not a vibe.
Don't like it.
They're disgusting.
I think I really like, Okay.

(01:15:04):
Bath and Body Works has onespecific pumpkin candle that I
get every year.
It's called uh, white pumpkin.
It is, It's not likeoverwhelming pumpkin.
It smells so good.
So for those of y'all that havenot tried it, White pumpkin.
I love, I'm gonna say a lot ofbath and body works cuz that's
just what I use.
I like gingham.
That smell is You like gingham.
Yeah.
I don't think I like gingham.

(01:15:26):
You don't?
I think I've tried to hop on itand I let, Did you like the
smell of my bathroom?
Cuz that's gingham.
That was like a wallflower.
I won't have to, I'm gonna haveto, Yeah, you're gonna have to
test that.
Check that cuz I don't, I don'tknow.
I, I love gingham.
And then I love, I got thiscandle from TJ Max.
It's a Christmas one that yousmell.
Mm-hmm.
And that one you, that onesmells like any kind of pine,
but not overwhelming.

(01:15:47):
Yeah.
Like any kind of Christmasypine.
That candle was a good, uh,candle.
It was 15 bucks for that massivecandle.
It's not bad.
No candles can get expensive.
So freaking expensive.
Af I would say my favorite smelllike in my bathroom, so I like
it.
Wait, I love rain smell.
Sorry.
So, Oh yeah.
Rain smells.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
in my bathroom, I like to burnthis candle.

(01:16:07):
It's a bathroom bodywork candle.
It's called a eucalyptus.
Mint.
I love any kind of eucalyptus.
I love me too.
I love eucalyptus.
I love fresh white cotton.
Ooh, I love that one too.
Yeah.
Anything that smells just supercute.
Do you like the white tea Sageone?
Have you tried that one?
I don't know if I have, but I,It sounds like something I would
like.
You would like that one a lot.
Yeah.
but.
For like, not candle smells.

(01:16:28):
I love the smell of garage.
I'm sorry, The smell.
The smell of a garage.
Like a garage.
It smells like tires and like,just like Do you also like the
smell of gasoline?
Yeah.
Wait, I kind of do too.
Yeah.
One, One smell I don't like isgrass.
Yeah.
I can't stand.
Like vanilla too.
I don't really like vanilla.
Like vanilla.
Oh.
And Mark Jacob's perfume.

(01:16:49):
I love, I have like a lot of hisperfume never smelled his
perfume.
Me and this girl.
Literally my friend that wentwith me to Atlanta.
Mm-hmm.
We spent so much money one timeon perfume at I need to get a
good perfume this year.
I don't, I don't have one.
I think I bought, I wanna saythree.
I bought like three Mark Jacobsperfumes.

(01:17:10):
I wanna, I think they have likereally good sample stuff right
now.
Yeah.
So I need to go get a samplething.
Hop on Mark Jacobs.
Perfect.
Perfect.
Is the perfect smile.
Really.
Yeah.
Maybe I'll go to Sephora todaybecause I actually need, Yeah.
I really want like a good scent.
Yeah.
I don't have any kind of goodperfume.
Get on it girl, cuz Mm.
Um, I do, We have just one left.

(01:17:32):
We have two Katie's over thequestions.
No, I just, I have you marked'emoff?
Yeah.
As you go.
Okay.
Well I can't do that, so I don'tknow why.
Okay.
Well the next one I know whichone I want us to finish off on.
So I'll do the question then.
Yeah.
Well, Oh wait, Describe yourdream night out or vacation.
Okay, so.

(01:17:53):
I love elephants.
Me too.
Yes.
And I've always wanted to go toThailand.
I would love, and I know thatthey have like, at least I think
they have like, where you canlike ride them and they have an
elephant, like a sanctuary orsomething.
We have one of those inOklahoma.
Not that you can ride, but thezoo.
No, no, no.
This is like an elephantsanctuary in, I wanna say it's

(01:18:15):
like in Hugo.
I thought you were talking aboutthe sanctuary, the suit.
Bye.
Know Katie.
But I also wanna do that.
I, I actually want to touch theelephant.
Yes.
I think it's like 60 bucksthough.
And I mean, is it worth it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Have I done it yet?
No, but I wanna go to Thailandreally bad.
That'd be amazing.
And I wanna like meditate inlike a temple.
I wanna like That would beamazing.

(01:18:36):
Like, I wanna be very like, yes.
I just want to, when I seepictures from it, especially
like I'm Pinterest and stuff,I'm like, Oh, I want like live,
like the Pinterest board, like,just like meditation, Thailand
So that's the first thing thatpopped up into my head.
That's amazing.
What about you?
My friends?
I really wanna go to Greece.
Yeah.
I wanna go so bad.

(01:18:57):
I also really, I kind of wannatravel more of just like the
states now.
Yeah.
So like Boston, New York City.
I really wanna go to New YorkCity.
Have you never been before?
No.
Really wanna go so bad?
Oh my gosh.
We're gonna have to go.
Yeah.
Like Santa Fe.
Yeah.
I wanna just do all of the, Iwanna do like big cities.
Yes.
I also would love to go to likeLondon, obviously.

(01:19:20):
Mm.
Yeah.
But I don't have anything like,I mean specifically now I think
like New York, that's like mynumber one go-to right now.
I think you would love it.
I think I would love it.
Yeah.
I think I would thrive.
There's just so much going on.
It's like, And that's what Ineed cuz there's so much going
on in my brain.
Yeah.
So I need somethings like, it'slike, Oh yeah.
Yeah.

(01:19:40):
Especially coming from likewhere we come from.
Yeah.
Oklahoma to New York.
Dude, I need to go.
Okay.
Yeah, it is a total, it'sdefinitely a shock.
and that's why I feel like a lotof people, um either you love it
or you hate it.
I don't really, I haven't reallymet a person that's in between
on New York.
Yeah, no, I would agree.
I would, I think people, It'skind of like LA though.

(01:20:00):
People who go love it or hateit.
That's what I've heard.
We have to go.
Yeah.
Never been.
I kind of hate it, but I alsokind of love it.
So I need to go.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
We'll go.
What's the last question?
Um, so last question issomething that has inspired you
lately?
Ooh Hmm.

(01:20:21):
I think the podcast I'mlistening to have really, really
inspired me to kind of get outtamy own head.
Mm-hmm.
but also weirdly enough like tapinto my own head, like tap into
the emotions.
Um, I've been listening to, Doyou listen to Jay Sheti?
No, I've told you about him.
No, but I, so I, I haven'tlistened to like, A like the
podcast, but I've seen so manyof his clips.

(01:20:44):
His ticks.
Yeah.
Yes.
And I love it.
So first of all, what a stunningman.
Can we just say that?
Like him and his wife, bothstunning.
Second of all, he's like the, hewas a monk.
So he's a monk for three years.
He's a book called Things like aMonk, and he's just very,, he
meditates, I think for like twohours a day every day.
It's insane.

(01:21:04):
And so just the topics he talksabout,, the information he
shares has just been soinspiring lately and has really
gotten me to Dr.
Daniel Amond, the one that doesthe brain scans.
He's been on his podcast threedifferent times.
There's been another guy, Iforgot his name.
Like Dr.
Gabe Mat maybe.
I don't know.

(01:21:25):
I really think I butchered that.
Talked a lot about how to healtrauma from your past and just
from things.
And so there's so many.
I mean, Vanessa HUDs was just onit.
Um, Really, Chloe Kardashian wasjust on it.
Mm-hmm.
And so Selena Gomez was just onit like last week.
I haven't listened to any ofthese yet, but I've been really,
really into that and it's, it'sjust been really inspiring

(01:21:48):
lately.
Yeah.
To hear, I don't know, justabout, about all of that.
So I would say that that podcasthas like gotten me really fired
up lately.
Really?
Yeah.
And it's helped me like throughthe loneliness because there's
some on like literally Yeah.
Being alone.
Yeah.
What does that feel like?
How does that, And I think weall go through that.
Yeah.
We just don't talk about it.
I mean I've had moments likethat For sure.

(01:22:10):
Especially recent years.
Yeah.
Like, and it's crazy.
And like the crazy thing isabout like loneliness in general
is that like people that haven'texperienced it, I don't think
realize that when you have thosefeelings, it can literally be
when you're around people thatknow you.
Oh, a hundred percent.
I think it's like, it's crazywhen it does happen cuz like,

(01:22:31):
yeah.
like being in like in myrelationship, like there hasn't
been an issue at all.
You know, we can be doingtotally fine.
And then for some reason I'mjust feeling really lonely.
I think it's a, it's a, maybenot for you, but for some
people.
Like a childhood trauma thingtoo, probably.
Yeah, that's true.
Which is like something thatlike, I don't know, it's so

(01:22:53):
weird.
I think a lot of people arestarting to talk about being in
your twenties and how it'slonely, but it's not fully
talked about yet.
Yeah, really.
So I think our generation isvery like, transparent in that
sense.
Like we're kind of like, peoplemade it seem like a dream and
I'm like, y'all, this shit isnot easy.
No, the twenties, your twentiesis not fun.
It's, And my thing is, I thinktoo, seeing my mom age has made

(01:23:14):
me feel better about agingbecause she's in her.
No, I heard thirties and yourforties, she's your best years.
Like I've literally heard that.
Yeah.
People have told me like, Ohwait, like when you grow up
you're like, I'm so ready to bein my twenties, do whatever I
want.
And now thirties and 40 yearolds are coming back to us
saying like, Yeah, your twentiesdoes suck.
Like have fun.
Like actually, and your thirtiesI heard is like finally when

(01:23:34):
people, especially as womenstart to take you seriously and
like you are getting like reallylike niche down in your career
or like whatever.
Exactly.
Yeah.
For me, I would say what hasinspired me lately is definitely
going to Atlanta for thatcallback.
I love that 100%.
I love that.
For you, do you feel like moreinspired to like jive into
modeling again?

(01:23:55):
Yeah, and I think at first rightafter I like felt so down about
myself, I was so hard on myselfand I was so like out of it.
I think that's normal.
Yeah, that's a, that was areally big opportunity.
I think anyone would likecriticize themselves, but like
the, the, the women that I metthat day, like they were
incredible really.
Like everyone was so.

(01:24:16):
So That's so nice.
You wouldn't have wanted to gothere.
And people have been like, Ew,like stuck up and like Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
And like, because I don't have alot of like experience or
anything in modeling, you know,it's something that I'm aspiring
to do.
Yeah.
did these people haveexperience?
There was wide ranges ofexperience really.
There was like, it was, Iwould've loved to just go with a

(01:24:36):
good blend that people, I wish Iwould've gone with you.
Cuz I would've loved to just sitin line with you and talk to
these people.
Mm.
Like, what do you do?
Like, you know what I mean?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Oh, that would've been so fun.
And like, they didn't let likepeople come in with us, but like
the line, you know, you couldsee like the different kind of
people.
Yeah.
And it's just like, first ofall, everyone was beautiful and
I was just like, I've never beenin a room with this many people

(01:24:59):
that look really good.
And was it a mix of women and.
Mm-hmm.
Just women.
Women.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
I didn't know, I didn't know ifGood American makes men's genes
or not.
I don't think they don't.
Okay.
let be interesting if thingsstarted to, I like was looking
up the hashtag on TikTok a lot.
Mm-hmm.
beforehand.
Cause I was, my nerves were allover the place.
Yeah.
And there were some men thatlike, um, did videos and stuff

(01:25:22):
for it.
That's amazing.
So I know this might have beenlike a woman's only shoot too,
or like a call casting maybe.
Yeah., Cause I don't think theyspecified either though.
Who can like, uh, apply.
Yeah.
But I don't think they havemen's genes, but that makes
sense.
Yeah, it definitely inspired mebecause I was just like, Okay,

(01:25:43):
like maybe I can really do this.
Yeah.
And putting myself out thereagain and focusing on it again.
And you.
All of that.
So definitely.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So thank you guys so much forlistening.
Um, our next episode will beabout relationships.
Yeah.
And then do it.
That's what we're really gonnaget into.

(01:26:04):
Dive into that.
Yeah.
And then we've got a couple, Imean, we've got some next ones
planned too.
Yeah.
So, but beyond the lookout forthe relationship one, cuz that's
definitely what will be, um,coming out next.
Yep.
Alrighty.
Bye everyone.
Have a good bye baby girl.