Our Book Recs, Kindle vs Physical Book Debate + Our Least Faves!

In this week's episode Katie + Lauryn talk about booktok, personal reading goals + recap their 2022 books they loved, hated and 2023 book goals!

Episode Transcript

(00:14):
Hello, Kari, baby.
Hi, friends.
We are almost to the end of theyear.
I know.
It's so crazy.
How do you feel?
Um, I feel pretty good.
Honestly.
I don't feel particularly likeover the moon excited or super
sad or anything.
I'm just like, I feel like youknow what?
You're like ready for it though.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I feel so excited.

(00:35):
Yeah.
I mean, I, I am excited.
I'm just not like, oh my gosh.
Yeah.
I can't wait for the new year.
I'm like, I will be crying.
I think it's gonna be Jan one in2023 at night.
Probably.
Probably.
You'll see me sub.
It's been a good year for you ina transformational way, I think.
Oh, yeah.
I think so too.
Mm-hmm.
I was, you know, let me juststart off with a little life
update.

(00:55):
I decided well, okay.
Today I was like, you know what?
There is so much to be gratefulfor.
Mm-hmm.
like, I was like, I'm spendingtime with more fam like family
and friends, more than I everhave.
I would probably never s like, Idon't know, there's so many
restaurants I've tried now thatare like, they are becoming some
of my favorite, like the one wego to a lot.

(01:16):
So yeah, there's a ton ofrestaurants that I love now.
Yeah.
And you're making me giggle.
Um, what else was I gonna say?
Just, there's been a lotrecently where I'm like, wow,
there are so many things that Iprobably would not be doing.
Like, I felt like I could neverfully get.

(01:36):
100% with my health.
Mm-hmm.
because I feel like it's so hardwhen you have a partner.
Yeah.
And maybe your partner's not ahundred percent on their health.
You know what I mean?
And so now you talking about myrelationship we're like the
worst for each other in that waybecause we're both just like,
well, he's like, I mean, I'mhappy.
You're happy.
Like, why change?

(01:57):
What do you mean why change?
Yeah.
I think that's be Well, that'sbeautiful though.
Yeah.
I, it's hard though when like,that's my career.
Right?
That's true.
And I kind of have to have this,like, I don't have to, but
that's a really big part of mylife.
Mm-hmm.
and like my identity, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So that's something I feel likeI can really get with, get right

(02:19):
with.
That's true.
This year's true.
So, yeah.
That's what I have to say.
Do you have any life updates?
No.
I like, I think I like SpicyMars a lot.
Oh, they are?
That's.
I wanna get drunk off them.
So Katie like, has she You'retypically a beer girl.
I've notoriously hatedmargaritas my entire life, but
she, she was on this spicy marg,um, kick, kick in.

(02:42):
Lo and behold, they'redelicious.
And that the one that you triedwasn't even like a true spicy
wine and I thought I was good.
Yeah.
I need to take you to one of arestaurant that I found the best
spicy mark.
Really?
We've gotta go.
Yes.
Ugh.
Yeah, absolutely.
We need to go on a tour to find,to find the, to best spicy Mar
in the city.
Yeah, I would love to.
Yeah.
Um, okay, so a couple weeks agoI did a fun little poll on our

(03:06):
Instagram.
Yeah.
You guys, like, you guys reallypopped off this interesting idea
of what you think.
I'm like you can continue withthe polls, but we'll, we'll talk
through them.
But it says, which one of us doyou think is most likely to be
late?
Lauren is 46%.
Katie is 54.
I have to agree with that.
Yeah.
I have good intentions everytime.
Yeah.

(03:26):
And I'm notoriously late.
Yeah.
I feel like, um, if I'm late,it's just, I don't know.
I try to be on time.
I know.
I feel like, honestly, it justdiffers.
I been late before, but, Yeah.
I'm not a late person.
Yeah.
It says, which one of us is mostlikely to save a cat or dog and
keep them, and 15% said Lauren,and 85% said, definitely.

(03:49):
You literally, before thispodcast even, uh, started, I was
like, look at this dog, Lauren.
Yeah.
She was like, literally about togo get this dog that was left
downtown.
Yep.
Yeah.
Now this one is the interestingone.
Friend, you'll, you'll have someopinions about this.
Okay.
Which one of us was most likelyto get into a fistfight?
77%.
You?
23%.

(04:09):
Me, honestly.
Thank you guys for say 23%saying me.
Yeah.
Because those are probably theone Well, for thinking those are
probably the people that arecorrect.
I think I would am more likelikely to get, here's the thing,
I'm more likely to pop off andsay some shit.
Yeah.
And somebody get mad at me.
Yeah.
Especially a man.
I think like a dude.
Mm-hmm.
I'm more likely.

(04:29):
Fight them.
Mm-hmm.
I also box and she literallyboxes like she actually spar.
So I actually might, well I wantto Spar, had a spar or whatever.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So I want to actually get into afight with me.
I don't know anything.
My nails are too long, honey, Idon't be fighting.
No.
What?
Well, I think people just, Ithink that's your persona.
Yeah.
It is.
But that's, but it's not, that'snot me.

(04:50):
Because like even in ourpictures, you're the one not
smiling.
I'm the one smiling.
Mm-hmm.
you know?
Yeah.
Um, this one said, oh, hold on.
This one said purchase somethingfrom an Instagram or TikTok ad
and 43% said you and 57% saidme.
But that should be switched.
Yeah.
It should be switched.
Should I feel like the numbersare pretty like accurate, except

(05:11):
that my numbers should be, youshould be the 57.
Am I?
Yes.
Because I think I can get Yeah.
Swindled into buying something,but.
That's my dna.
That a hundred percent you askmy mama cuz we're the same I get
that from her.
Um, this one said, forget totext back 67% you 33% me.
And I'd say that's probablycorrect.
As I'm getting older, that'sgetting worse.

(05:32):
And I actually, you text me backthough, pretty much every time I
believe I'm a good, I am a goodlike texter by comparison to
some of the other people in mylife.
I will not name names, but Yeah.
Like the older I'm getting, themore I'm like, wow, I genuinely
forgot.
Now I get it.
But I mean, the people I talkmost often to mm-hmm.
especially, I'm going toremember, um, I text back

(05:55):
everybody in about two seconds.
Yeah.
I will.
So say though I've gotten worsetoo with some people.
I'm like, okay.
I just forget.
And then it's been like a weekand I'm like, I, I can't respond
now.
Yeah.
You know, it's like, mm.
So I will say that I, I'm bad ifit's somebody I text.
pretty constantly like you.
I'm not gonna forget.
Yeah.

(06:15):
It's someone I don't text a lot.
Yeah.
I'm like, oops, sorry.
Exactly.
It's been a week.
Especially if you text me duringwork.
Yeah.
Like, I'm notorious for doing toyou because that's when my brain
is like, yeah.
Going and then I'll be like,okay, wait, I have a second.
Let me like read what, what isshe saying?
Okay.
It's cool.
Yeah.
This one said read more books in2023.
38% said you and 62% said me.

(06:37):
Which I think is backwards.
Yeah.
I think you'll read more thanme.
Absolutely.
I think you are a faster readerthan me.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
To be honest.
And I think that you can, you'resomeone who can sit down and
finish a book in like a day ortwo.
Mm-hmm.
I can't do that.
Yeah.
Cause you more, you're more um,I read'em like chunks.
Hyper in that sense where likeyou're, you like to move around
a lot more than me.
Yes.
And if I have the time, I'mgoing to fly through a book.

(07:00):
I mean, I finished, I wanna bemore like that this year though.
How many?
This before I finished thisyear.
But we'll get into that.
Yeah.
We will get that.
Cause we haven't, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Um.
I think that was it.
Yeah.
That was all of our questions,which, I mean, that kind of
leads into what we wanna talkabout today, which is Yeah,
book, book talk.
Not really book talk, just notwanna talk itself, but books, we
wanna talk about books.
Books, because that's somethingthat's really big for both of

(07:22):
us.
Just Yeah.
In our lives.
And so we thought in suchdifferent ways.
Like, I don't think, we don't,we don't, we don't read the same
kind.
We don't read the same kind andwe don't utilize reading in the
same way.
It's a different tool for bothof us, I feel like.
What?
Like you think yours is more funand mine is more like learning
or minus more of an escape sortof thing.
Like it's very, just when I'm inmy head, I like to get into

(07:44):
another book, which is why Idon't read the sort of books
that you like to read.
Well, do you know what though?
What the last book I read Al um,the last book I read was kind of
an escape for me.
Mm-hmm.
And I was like, wait, this is sofun.
Yeah.
Like, I've gotta get back intoreading fun books.
Mm-hmm.
because, and that's how it hasalways been like my entire life.
All the books that I like eversince I started reading.

(08:06):
Mm-hmm.
That's literally why I do it.
Like when I start reading, it'slike that first couple of pages
will be words in my head, andthen like after that, if I have
a fully formed picture in mybrain, I'm like, ugh.
Okay.
That is a quick question.
Are you somebody who formspictures in your brains?
I don't.
I don't at all.

(08:27):
I don't have a picture in mybrain.
I do.
So like sometimes I do if I'mlike, oh, like, okay, say a
movie, a book gets turned into amovie.
Mm-hmm.
I'll be like, oh, I, I feel likeI pictured that person looking
differently.
But I, and like sometimes ifit's super, um, like say for
instance where the Crawdads singmm-hmm.
I feel like I got a very goodpicture in my head at that

(08:49):
point.
Descriptive, yes.
If it's a very descriptive book,if it's more like romance or
something that's not asdescriptive mm-hmm.
I don't really have pictures inmy head.
Mm-hmm.
like it's not a movie playingfor me, like in some people's
heads.
Mm-hmm.
is that it for you?
Yeah.
It's a movie, which I think ispart of why I'm able to speed
through things.
Cuz if I'm like, oh, I think Ilike this.
Mm-hmm.

(09:09):
and if the author does a greatjob at being descriptive.
Yeah.
And it not being just lengthyand dragging, whatever, but it's
really painting this picture.
Mm.
I am absolutely visualizing thatand I'm like, wow.
Like, okay.
So how many books did you readin 2022?
Um, I believe I read right under50 or, see, you've read more

(09:32):
than Me this year.
My goal was 50 did not happen,so I lowered it.
Goal was a hundred and I waspissed that I didn't even touch
it.
Well, you'll get to your goalnext year and I'll get to mine.
Yeah.
I moved my goal to 38.
Mm-hmm.
I'm at 37 right now.
Oh.
Out of 38.
So I've got like five books I'mtrying to read right now.
Yeah.
I cannot bring myself to adjustmy goal.
I was like, no, I'm gonna,eventually, I, I know I get
there, but I was gonna lower itto 75 and then I was like, okay,

(09:56):
let's be real.
There's no way.
And I'm not into, um, what arethey called?
Novellas novel.
The smaller, like the smallerbooks.
Oh yeah.
Um, I don't really care forthem.
Mm-hmm.
So, and that's really how a lotof people get to their goals.
Oh, that makes sense actually.
Yeah.
Cause when they realize whenthey're behind, cuz you know,
good Reads will tell you whenyou're behind.
Yeah.
Um, and that stresses me out,stresses me out.

(10:16):
And then people will read thesebooks that are barely a hundred
pages or write out a hundredpages.
You can knock that out and like,gosh, less than a day.
Also, if anyone wants to befriends with us on Good Reads,
let us know.
Yeah.
I'll post about it on Instagram.
Yeah.
cuz we'd love to be friends.
I love good reads.
That'd be cool.
Have some more people on there.
I know.
I think that'd be really fun.

(10:36):
Yeah.
One of my goals for next year isto actually write reviews for
books.
I think that would be reallyfun.
Like, you've been so good aboutthat.
Yeah.
I used to, I used to read yourreviews and be like, wow.
Yeah.
Like, you're so like descriptiveand good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I do, like to do reviews, ifI don't do a review.
then.
That's a bad side.
Yeah.
I probably wasn't really feelingit, but I kind of fell off of

(10:58):
that just because like withswitching jobs and stuff mm-hmm.
and like not being in a place, agood place mentally.
Yeah.
Um, I guess I would say likekind of around the middle of the
year, like I fell off of that.
But I'm definitely a reviewwriter.
I love that.
I love to rate and I love toread reviews.
Think about my experience.
Cause I get really sad after agood book.

(11:18):
Oh, I do too.
It puts me in a rut for days.
Yes.
So bad.
So would you say your goal for2023 is a hundred books?
Are you That's, I've beenthinking, I've been thinking
about this because I really,really wanna reach.
Mm-hmm.
my goal.
I think you could easily hit 75.
I think I could too.
I literally had, because thinkabout how much you didn't read
my goal that I actually got to.

(11:38):
I had that in March, I think.
Well, and think about, yeah,think about how much you did not
read.
I know like over the summer andstuff.
Like I legit like had one book Iwas trying to read and I'm like,
if I finished this, that's agoal.
it's gonna be between 75 and100, I think.
I don't think I can do lowerthan 75.
Like I want to read.
Yeah, like crazy.
So I know.
Me too.

(11:58):
I think that my goal will be 50.
Oh yeah, it was 25 the firstyear I got into reading, which
was I guess 2020.
Mm-hmm.
And then last year it was 50, ormaybe I started really reading
in 2019.
I don't remember, but yeah.
Um, I think it was 2020, butit's 50 this year and I know I'm
gonna hit it.
Yeah, you'll probably hit it.

(12:20):
I was, I was, I was on trackuntil September, man.
And then it just fell off.
Yes.
I mean, I didn't read forliterally on my Good Reads, I
didn't finish a book fromSeptember until last week.
Gosh.
Yeah.
I didn't finish a single book.
And I've been reading, like Ihave so many books that I've
started.
Yeah.
But when you read Self-Helpmm-hmm.
and like personal development.
Mm-hmm.
just takes you so much longerbecause you really have to like,

(12:43):
you should really have to breakit down into like, bites, size
chunks, or you're not gonna getanything from it.
Yeah.
Like if you fly through it,you're not really, I feel like
taking it away.
And also it's so much just likemental work.
Yeah.
And looking within yourself andreflecting and things like that.
The introspective, yeah.
This is a good little, like, notsegue, but to talk about what we
do like to read.

(13:03):
So the difference is that I likeromance.
I like, uh, fiction, I likefantasy.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I don't, I don't mind a goodhistorical fiction sometimes.
Okay.
I'm into it.
If it's fake, I'm reading it.
That's what I, she loves thedrama, honey.
And I'll, I'll maybe read likeone.

(13:26):
thriller, mystery, something.
Okay.
Yeah.
We do have different opinions.
Yeah.
Because I love thrillers.
I'm about to get into a couplethrillers, I think.
Mm-hmm.
to start off my year.
And there's a couple out therethat seems so good.
So I didn't really likethrillers until this year.
Oh, really?
And then I got into'em and Ifeel like you, you just fly
through'em.
Yeah.
Like, they're so good.

(13:47):
True page turner's.
Yes.
And so I probably read, out ofmy 38, I probably read eight to
10 thrillers.
Oh, so quite a few.
Yeah.
Um, so there's a few that I'mreally, really itching to read
back in the day.
I used to be into that.
Really?
Yeah.
Whenever I was, uh, in highschool.
Mm-hmm.
But here's the thing, betweenyou and me, like I don't read, I

(14:08):
don't read fantasy.
Like besides Harry Potter.
You don't read fantasy at all?
Not one.
You could not, you literallyname one fantasy book.
Haven't read it.
Haven't read it.
I've only read Harry Potterbooks that are fantasy.
I'm not a big Did you read like,uh, I, I read like Twilight, the
Hunger Games, stuff like that.
Yeah.
And like Hunger Games.
But is that fantasy?
I think so.
Is that more thriller atopdystopian, like, yeah, I do like

(14:31):
dystopian.
That stuff is good.
But when it, yeah, when I thinkof fantasy, I think of like
berries and like monsters andwerewolves and um, like the,
it's a lot of world guitarseries.
Lot of building.
Building.
Yeah.
A lot of world building.
And that's what I heard.
I heard the first book of thatseries is like all world
building.
I don't wanna read it.
Well that's what, that's a lotof people's issue with fantasy

(14:52):
is, especially cuz now I know.
Yeah.
You don't see pictures.
No.
Which I'm like, that's so bad.
I don't know.
I hate that.
For you, it's weird because likehalf of me thinks I do and then
the other, because like, I don'tknow, half of me thinks I do see
pictures and the other half I'mlike, uh, you could not tell me.
Like, so if you think of a word,like you will see that word.

(15:14):
No.
Do you?
If I want to.
No.
My brain, if I'm thinking greenapple, I can see the word green
apple, but I can also see thepicture green apple and I will
literally just see a greenapple.
I think for me, I don't wannathink when I read, besides
personal development, so But howare you taking it in and like

(15:37):
enjoying something that's not aself like development or like, I
don't know, whatever, but what?
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe I do and I just don'tthink I do.
You know what I mean?
Well then reading's doing itsjob.
I guess if you're like just, Idon't know.
That's so crazy to me cuz that'sthe biggest part about it to me.
I'm like, I love this and I'mseeing it like it's happening.

(16:00):
Like if you see like a forestand like a girl frolicking
around, are you picturing thatin your head?
Yeah, I'm literally picturinglike right now, like.
Like, I can see that in my headright now.
The ground that is like, it'sgot like some leaves, some
twigs, dirt.
Okay.
And this girl just, I mean, yousaid forest girl, just like
running through the forest.
Yeah.
And a girl like literally justrunning barefoot.

(16:22):
I can see that in my head now,but when I'm reading tall trees,
I also do feel like, I feel likeI could finish a book in a day
if I allowed myself.
Mm-hmm.
and I feel like because I readkind of fast.
Mm-hmm.
maybe not, I don't know.
Average maybe.
I feel like I don't take thetime to picture things.
Well, how many pages do youthink you could read in a day?
Do you know?
Mm.
I mean, it depends on how muchtime I allow myself.

(16:44):
Yeah.
I can read on a, and this isvery different depending on
what's going on in my day.
Yeah.
Like on a regular day where Ihave to go to work and stuff, I
can probably finish 20, not 25,50 pages, 50 probably just
between like.
Because I try to wake up in themorning and read.

(17:05):
You read every day?
Some.
Yeah.
At least a little bit.
Yeah.
I try to as well.
It's something mm-hmm.
like sometimes when I go whilewithout reading, I like, don't
feel right.
No, same.
Um, so that's why I think you'regonna hit your 75 goal at least.
Yeah.
Because especially cuz I'm justreally like ready for it and I
kind of have some books likethat.
I'm like, okay, we're finish,I'm finishing this.

(17:25):
Yeah.
I have books.
Can't wait.
I think that January 1st or likearound there will kind of pop
off for me because mm-hmm.
because I'll have, I'll finishlike five different books at a
time.
Like I've, I have so many thatare like a quarter at least
finished, but closer to 50%.
And I love series for the, forthis reason.
See I'm not a series girl.
I've never once series, uh,besides Hunger Games and

(17:45):
Twilight, I've never read a andHarry Potter.
I don't read series.
A lot of people don't like them.
A lot of people love astandalone.
I don't want to be me.
I don't, cause I'm like, I wannaface, I want more.
Yeah.
Universe that this person hascreated.
I know.
Cuz then you have to find a newbook.
Yeah.
And find a new book is hard.
Yeah.
Okay.
So speaking of that, okay, whatwas your favorite book of 2022?

(18:09):
So after we had our little talkabout Magnolia Parks.
Mm-hmm.
that is 100% your favorite upthere.
I really, I really do think so,because I have two.
So if you have two, you canhave, you haven't red Magnolia
Parks yet.
I think that you'll enjoy it.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Ooh, you don't think I'll loveit?
I don't know.

(18:29):
It's kind of hard.
Is it fantasy?
No.
No, it's romance, but it's likealmost reminded me of a gossip
girl in a sense.
That is what Kenzie Elizabethjust said.
It's definitely giving a gossipgirl.
100%.
Did you dare say that?
No, because she literally justsaid it's a mix of gossip Girl.
And um, one other show, like,uh, 9 0 2 10 or something, uh,

(18:51):
it was like two completelydifferent shows like.
Mesh into one.
I don't remember what other showshe said, but, well, just
between the Gossip Girl elementand like just the drama.
I haven't read.
See, I love Gossip Girl Romance.
Oh, the drama is so good.
Like they're just these, thesehigh society like people I'll

(19:13):
need to read it.
Yeah.
Teenagers and like the authorsdescriptions of everything.
Right.
Like even the fashion.
Mm-hmm.
in it.
I was like, oh, this is up myalley.
The author like will give adescription of like, oh, she was
wearing.
a Chanel season, whatever, dresssuper descriptive, and you can

(19:35):
literally look it up and seewhat she's talking about.
Oh, that's pretty cool.
And I'm like, this is so dope.
Like, I love that part of it.
And I just, and I love fashionand like, stuff like that.
So that element of it was reallycool.
And again, like I love the dramaelement of it.
And so I finished the firstbook.
I'm on the second book rightnow.

(19:56):
Um, so definitely excited aboutthat, but I think you actually
will really like it.
Okay.
I do.
And that's your favorite?
I would say that's my favorite.
And also, um, let me think.
I don't have my phone in frontof me right now, but if I, I'll
keep thinking about the otherone cause I know there's more.
Okay.
Mine are actually two thrillers.

(20:17):
Two thrillers.
I know.
The golden couple was reallygood.
Mm-hmm.
honestly, big shock at the end.
Mm-hmm.
Or Little Secrets.
Actually, I have three favoritebooks.
He, he, one is a romance.
I really liked book lovers.
Really?
You read book Lovers, didn'tyou?
You really, you liked booklovers that much?
Really?
I don't know.
I thought it was, it was prettycute.

(20:37):
I mean like, if you thought itwas that good, like I think it's
though, I think also, let me behonest for you.
This year I didn't read anythinglike mind shattering.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, this year for me was goodin terms of books.
I think I got out there a lotwith like thrillers and that
kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Um, but I don't know if it waslike a mind shattering book year

(20:58):
for me.
Um mm-hmm.
I have a lot of books that I'mlike, that is really a really
good book.
Mm-hmm.
like, um, like for me, I really,really enjoyed, well, that's the
thing.
I think in 20.
I read a lot of really goodbooks.
Like I read The Nightingale byKristen Hannah.
Mm-hmm.
and I read a ton of KristenHannah books.

(21:20):
Mm-hmm.
And that to me like, have youheard of Kristen Hannah?
Have you read her books?
I know what The Nightingale is.
Okay.
I don't think I've heard of anyother books from that.
You would love The Nightingale?
Cause you talked abouthistorical fiction.
Ooh.
So for me, like the grade alonemade me cry.
Mm-hmm.
honestly, cry Buckets.
The Nightingale made me cry.
Like So you went through like, Iwent through like amazing books.
Yeah.
In 2020.

(21:41):
And then I feel like 20, um, 21was just kind of like, okay,
these books are go, or 2022.
Sorry, I, I read amazing booksin 2021 and 2022.
I was like, okay, these booksare good.
But like nothing I read was.
earth shattering.
Do you know what I mean?
Wait.
So I'll say that's making me,that made me think.
That's why I'm glad you Uhhuhtalked about your books cuz at

(22:03):
the very beginning of the year,that Mafia Romance series I told
you about.
Yeah.
The Brutal Birthright series.
Oh my gosh, it's so good.
It had so much drama.
And I like reading those kind ofbooks because I like suspense as
well as romance.
Like if you can give me like allthe let's about the drama,
literally if you can give mesuspense romance.

(22:24):
Mm-hmm.
like all that.
I'm going to eat it up.
Yeah.
Big time.
Yeah.
And I read that at the beginningof the year, like literally
between January.
It could have been a little bitlater than that.
Cause I wonder, did she haveanother book come out this year?
Because there's like twodifferent series technically
like tied into one.
Um, but yeah, that series.
But do you feel like this yearwas like earth shattering to you

(22:45):
in books?
Or have you had a year that waslike better than others?
Oh yeah.
As far as like Earth shatteringthe cabin, that one book that.
is all my good reads orwhatever.
Mm-hmm.
gosh, that book tore me up.
Yeah.
I cried like a baby.
I wish I could from that book Icould see, um, what my 2021.
Oh wait, I think I can mm-hmm.

(23:06):
Um, because yeah, I just read alot of books in 2021 that were,
I feel like way better.
Like, that was my Colleen Hooverphase.
Mm-hmm.
So I read a lot of like UglyLove Verity, the Seven Hus
husbands of Evelyn Hugo, my,that year.
Oh gosh.
That was, was that the year forme?
You'll have to look at mine toowhile you're 2021 was, that was
the year, um, that I read that Iread a lot of Sally Thorn and

(23:27):
Emily Henry.
But yeah, that's the year I readlike Firefly Lane by Kristen
Hannah, the Nightingale.
Um, the grade alone, like, Ijust kind of went on a, like,
that's the year I read where theCrawdads sing.
So it was a lot of like thosekinds of books for me where I
was like, wait, I would saythese are so good.
So I can't remember when I readthe song of Achilles.

(23:51):
but I think that was 2021because gosh, that book, I
bought it because of you, but Ihaven't read it yet.
God, I love that book so much.
It's still, it's on my bookshelfright back there.
I haven't read it yet.
So good.
I love that book.
A lot of people, it's fantasy.
Yeah.
They like it.
Um, yeah.
But it's like, um, it's got, uh,what Greek mythology
incorporated into it.
Yes.
Just getting through like, likewe were talking about with, the

(24:14):
descriptions.
Yeah.
And like the world building thatcomes with a fantasy book.
I totally understand.
It's part of why I don't read itall the time.
It takes a lot of brain power.
Yeah.
And so in the very beginning ofthe Song of Achilles, there was
a lot of like people's names.
I was like, I don't know how topronounce this.
And I'm like, I need to know howto pronounce this.
So I'm sitting here like readinga couple sentences and then I'm
on my phone.

(24:34):
Yeah.
You'll get to like a dark holeof research.
Yeah.
And so then I'm like, okay, nowI can continue.
And then after a certain amountof pages, I was pretty much set
and I just flew through it.
It was a beautiful book.
I thought the writing was soamazing.
Amazing.
I need to read it.
Um, I love the story.
It was heartbreaking, really?
But it was so good.
I loved it.
Yeah.

(24:55):
So what was your least favoritebook then of 2022?
100%.
Things we never got over really,by least score.
Are we gonna fight over this?
Probably.
Wait.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
I won't, I think that got maybea four out of five from me.
Or maybe a three point.
If I could give it a 3.5, Ithink I would definitely not my
least favorite Fred A four.

(25:18):
So, but how is it your leastfavorite then?
Um, because I didn't realizewhat I was getting myself into.
Oh.
I kind of liked it.
And she has a second one.
I kind of wanna read it.
Um, I, I'm not going to, um, whydo you hate it?
Why is it your least favorite?
And I got a four.

(25:38):
Hmm.
Yeah.
I'm a generous.
Yeah, I am too.
I'm never going to, I givethrees though sometimes.
I'm never going to give anythingless than a three.
I just feel like that is somean.
I know, I do too.
Because these and good reads tobe brutal.
I don't know how, oh my gosh.
Like on good reads, some of youguys are, but yikes.
They put so much effort.

(25:59):
Okay.
Really quick segue.
One of my, um, Instagram friendsmm-hmm.
is making a fantasy book calledThe Shattered Lands.
Oh.
And I think you would like that.
I would absolutely read it.
It comes out in March.
I was gonna tell you about itcuz I think you'd like it.
any other least favorite books?
I didn't even read it.
I didn't, I don't think I evenwrote a review on it.
Did.
But you finished it?

(26:19):
Yeah, I finished it.
I think it was pretty long.
I do remember it kind ofdragging it to be honest.
I would also say that myfavorite.
So I, I kind of like got into alittle bit of like a hockey
romance, like, okay, are wegoing back to your favorite
books?
My least.
Oh, still Unleash?
Yeah.
And I didn't like this one book,basically because part of why I

(26:43):
didn't like the, um, tis theseason for revenge book because
I have a issue with the revengeplot.
Yeah.
And like the person continuingto, I guess, engage with like
the, the male past people, like,like lead character or whatever.

(27:05):
Oh yeah.
And like you're literallyplotting like revenge.
Yeah.
And it's not fair to, and you'reinvolving somebody else for some
reason.
Yeah.
That's like a hard no for me.
You know how like some peopleare like, oh, in romance books,
like, what can you, will you notlike read?
Yeah.
Some people are like, cheatingor like mm-hmm.
whatever.
Um, which I feel like I've, Idon't think I've read any.

(27:26):
like romance where there ischeating involved.
So I'm like, I have, I think, orif it is, it's like literally
the person that they're cheatingon is horrible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm like, literally don'tcare.
But for me, the revenge plot,unless it's just like, yeah,
like something like mafia whereit's like these people are all
terrible.

(27:47):
Um, yeah, I don't like it.
And it was this one book I readand it was like, I don't know.
I didn't like it.
So funny that you said to theseason for revenge because that
talking about this book.
Okay, listen, that book andwindow shopping, did you ever
No.
Read window shopping.
I don't really like holiday.
You don't like holiday?
So those are my two leastfavorite books.

(28:07):
And it's funny that they're bothholiday themed, but when I
think, you know what, I think itis too?
What?
Both of those books had a ton ofsmut in it.
Oh really?
And smut just kind of makes meuncomfortable.
It does make you uncomfortable.
Like I literally had to skippast pages of tis this season
for a binge.
I am all over the place.
But I will say another one of myfavorite books is The Simple

(28:28):
Wild.
Oh, okay.
I need to read that.
I think that, I think you'llreally like that.
Is that the one, the pilot?
Yes.
Okay.
I, that's on my list to readlike soon.
And that's a series too.
Okay.
So the whole series is good.
I haven't got through the wholething.
I'm on the second book and Okay.
It's good so far, but love thefirst one.
Okay.
A book you have an unpopularopinion about or just like any

(28:50):
kind of unpopular opinion?
I would say I'm like a Colleen.
I'm not a Colleen Hoover hater.
I don't like, this is so funnycuz Mine is about Colleen Hoover
too.
Oh really?
Yes.
We did not discuss this before.
I'm not a Colleen Hoover hater.
Uhhuh So, because she has a lotof fans.
Mm-hmm.
I know we're a small podcastright now, but who knows?
Like Yeah.

(29:10):
Um, I personally don't thinkshe's necessarily spectacular.
Okay.
Whatsoever.
Um, I've.
Read some of her books.
Uhhuh a couple years ago.
Yeah.
Um, slammed is my favorite bookby her.
It's a older one.
Okay.
Um, but like, now that, booktalk is a thing and like books

(29:33):
really just pop off, pop offsometimes.
Yeah.
Um, I, she's just a good placeto start maybe with romance.
Yeah.
And I, and like you were saying,which I didn't really realize
this, but I read a lot ofindependent authors or smaller
authors, like I don't, some ofmy books, it's like they are,
there's only like 400 reviews.

(29:53):
Yeah.
Like, like who is this person?
Yeah.
And so, I don't know.
I, I stay away from a lot of herbooks.
Yeah.
Um, just because books that, geta lot of attention.
I have a hard time startingcause my, expectation is really
high.
Yeah.
you don't want it to be ruined.
Yeah.
And people that are like, oh,she's smutty.
Like whatever.
No, she's not.
No, she's not compared to twoseason Candy for revenge.

(30:16):
Uh, she's, yeah.
Maybe a four outta 10 on thescale.
Yeah.
So my opinion about her, Iactually really like her book
cause I'm gonna be honest.
Mm-hmm.
But everyone is obsessed withVerity.
And while I loved Verity mm-hmm.
not my favorite from her.
My favorite is Ugly Love.
Mm-hmm.
I will say though that, yeah, Ithink she is amazing, but I do

(30:36):
think she's hyped up a lot.
So 100%.
I will say that too.
That's kind of my unpopularopinion and my favorite book by
her is like, everyone's leastfavorite apparently.
Like, nobody likes ugly Love.
That's crazy.
But for some reason I just.
Loved it so much.
Wow.
I think I read it this time lastyear actually, like right around
the time I got my, mygallbladder surgery.

(30:57):
So.
Well, it's definitely yourfavorite.
You still, I mean, clearlySlammed is my favorite by her.
I literally read that book likeI still have it, but I was in
high school when I read it.
Really?
There's a book I read by herthis year that I actually almost
did not finish a book it.
I'm gonna look it up.
Really?
Oh, I have reminders of him.
Oh, that's such a good book.

(31:18):
So good.
That one is really, really good.
I love a single parent That onewas really good.
I read, maybe it was last year.
Oh no, all your perfects.
And so my least here book wasAll Your Perfects by Colleen
Hoover.
I just did not love it.
Psa, it is about infertility andhonestly, well, not honestly,

(31:40):
obviously like that.
If you struggle with that, thatis something that's so
heartbreaking.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and my heart goes out toeveryone who struggles with
that.
But for me, the main characterwas just so whiny.
Like, I guess maybe that to me,I felt like the plot didn't
come.
as if it was gonna only talkabout infertility.

(32:02):
Mm-hmm.
and I feel like that's all thebook was, was infertility.
Oh.
And so it was just, it was hardto relate cuz obviously I've
never struggled with that.
Yeah.
Um, but also it just seemed likeshe would get pissed at her
husband for never gettingpregnant.
And it was like that, like, youguys should be a team and not
fighting against each other.
Yeah.
So that's kind of why, I don'tknow, I just did not love it.

(32:23):
The ending was just kind oflike, okay.
Yeah.
No, I, so, I mean, that'sinvalid.
I don't like whiny, like No.
Mm-hmm.
And when the plot is one thingand then the book is something
else, that's also strange to me.
You know?
Exactly.
Um.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Let me see here.

(32:44):
Okay.
Favorite book that you've everread?
So not even just this last year,but that you have ever read.
do you have one?
I do.
Okay.
Go ahead and talk about it,because I'm gonna think about
that.
Mine's The Great Alone byKristen Hannah.
When I tell you, I mean friend,you have to read it.
It's about this family andmm-hmm.
they move to Alaska.
It kind of gives where thecrawdads sing vibe.

(33:06):
Mm-hmm.
I think honestly, Kristen Hannahmight be my favorite writer.
She is someone who should betalked about, like Colleen
Hoover has talked about.
Mm-hmm.
because she is so, I mean, shetalks about so many different
topics and she's just anincredible writer.
Actually, I would love to getinto more of her stuff this
year.
Mm-hmm.

(33:26):
um, Nightingale's really, reallygood.
But for some reason the GreatAlone just like tugged my heart.
Like it really touched you.
It touched me.
And like, I mean, that is onebook that I sat and thought
about for.
weeks after reading it, likelegitimate weeks.
I thought about it.
So I will say that that wasprobably my favorite book of all

(33:47):
time just because of the impactit had on me.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but I don't know.
There are some other, probably,you know, I'm reading a book by
David Goggins right now.
Mm-hmm.
called Never Finished.
And I really, really like it sofar.
I'm only about 30% of the way,so obviously it's not like one
of my all-time favorites.

(34:08):
I haven't finished it yet, but Iwill say that this, that book
is, it's really inspiring sofar.
Hmm.
So it might be one of myfavorites for the end of the
year.
If I finish it before then, Ican't say I don't have one that
is like my all time favorite,but I mm-hmm.
can say when I was younger, theHunger Games really like, had a

(34:29):
big impact on me.
Yeah.
so at that point in my life, Iwould say that was my favorite
as I've gotten older.
So I would say as far as myfavorite romance mm-hmm.
the Wall of Winnipeg and Me byMariana's.
I've heard that one.
I've never read it.
You should read it.
Is it, isn't it an older book?
I think so.

(34:50):
She, okay.
So the thing about that book isthat it's a slow burn and it's
crazy to me that I love thatbook so much.
Yeah.
Because I'm not a big slow burngal, to be honest.
I love, I think it's just, Ithink it's just so well written
and I think Okay.
So that book, um, it's just thecharacter development.

(35:14):
Mm-hmm.
their relationship.
Like I loved it.
Um, wait for it by the sameauthor.
Very good.
I just like really likeheartfelt.
He was really like descriptive.
Um, it's a very heartfelt singlelike parent sort of thing.
It was just really good.
The Song of Achilles alsoliterally one of the best books

(35:37):
I've ever like read.
I love that book so much.
Wait, really?
Yes.
Yes.
And that's fantasy.
Okay.
Um, like I need to read that.
I would say, I don't know, did Italk about the cabin already?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The cabin was just really sad.

(35:57):
Um, that was really sweet.
There's so many books.
Like, that's so hard.
I know to say like, what is yourfavorite book of all time?
I know.
It really is so hard.
It's so hard.
There's so many more books outthere that I haven't even read
yet.
But yeah, I was about to say, Ithink Song Achilles you got from
TikTok and um, the SevenHusbands of Evelyn Hugo too.
But that one I feel likedeserved the hype.

(36:18):
That book got maybe a four outof five for me.
Oh God.
I thought was so good thought itwas so, so good.
It's very drama and like glitzand glam though.
I love it.
Yeah.
And I loved it because the maincharacter, like she wasn't a
good person.
No, I love that.
And I'm like, this is verydifferent than what I did.
Like it, I liked The Twist aswell.

(36:40):
Gosh.
Yeah.
It's such, it's just a reallygood book.
It's got a lot going on.
It does.
And I don't know what I thoughtit was gonna be, but that was
not it.
That that truly was not it.
No.
Um, as far as books that you'rereally excited for in 2023, and
I'm not, I don't have anyspecific books.
like that are coming out in2023.

(37:02):
Uhhuh But I forgot that KristenHannah has a new one called the
Four Wins.
It came out in 2021.
Mm-hmm.
And so I'd like to read thatcause it's about the Great
Depression.
I heard.
It's really sad though.
So you almost have to be likeready for sadness when you read
a Kristen Hannah book.
Yeah.
So I just haven't been thereyet.
Um, but The Mountain Is You is apersonal development book I

(37:25):
really wanna read.
And then another one I'm reallyexcited to read is called, um,
let Me Find It When You'reReady.
This is How You Heal by Brianna.
We, I think is how you say yourname.
Mm-hmm.
She came out with that one bookthat's 101 essays that will
change the way you think.
Oh.
Um, and that's been like areally big book apparently.

(37:46):
So I'd like to read that.
And then I really, really, Ithink my next book that I read
is The Perfect Marriage.
That's a thriller.
And I heard.
Really good things.
And it's on Kindle Unlimited.
I would read that.
Oh, it's in, it's on KindleUnlimited Uhhuh and it has 4.04
stars.
Anything that has a four orabove on Good Reads I know is a
good book.
Jesus, that's a good book.

(38:06):
Because Good reads is brutal.
Good reads is brutal.
I did see, like this author thatI follow literally said like,
she doesn't even get on GoodReads cuz it will get heard down
about her content and stuff.
Have you heard of the StillhouseLake series?
Mm-hmm.
You might like it, you mightnot.
What is it?
It's a thriller.
Um, but it is about how, andthis is off the plot, so I'm

(38:31):
not, I haven't read'em yet, but,um, it says, when a car accident
reveals her husband's secretlife as a serial killer, she
must remake herself.
And now with her ex in prison,she's found a, a refuge in a new
home on remote Stillhouse Lake.
And so she's just like veryscared, I guess, that he, you
know, is gonna come back.
Oh, because a body turns up inthe lake and threatening let her

(38:53):
start.
Whoa.
And then there's a second oneand she's got over, she has four
point 12 and 4.26 for both herbooks.
I'm good to read.
So I have heard really goodthings about'em.
Um, this one's pretty much likethe second one is like how to
save her and her kids from herex-husband.
That's out.
But um, I would like to readsomething like that.

(39:13):
I don't have a ton of romancethat I'd like to read.
Like it's just not your theme.
I do wanna read.
Well, it used to be though.
That's the weird thing.
Mm-hmm.
I guess I kind of have a mixnow.
Yeah.
Um, I love Beth O'Leary books.
Mm-hmm.
and, um, Emily Henry.
And there's one more, Sally, Iforgot her last name, but, um,

(39:35):
Sally.
No.
Oh.
Forgot about to say, I was like,I hated normal people.
No, I don't wanna read that,honestly.
Um, I hated it so much.
Have you heard Pack Up the Moon?
That's a, that's a book talk.
I have heard of it.
I wanna read it.
I also heard it's terribly sad,so if anyone has any, and I do
wanna read the Simple Wild, butif anyone has any good book rugs

(39:56):
Yeah, I would like to read itbecause I am reading Mary X Miss
right now.
Mm-hmm.
and it only has 2000 ratings,but it has 4.02 on Good Reads.
It's pretty cute so far.
So that's probably what I'll endthe year reading, but So that's
pretty much what you're likeanticipated reads are.
Yeah.
Sorry that was kind of a lot.
No, you have like, I feel likeyou have more than me as far as

(40:17):
like Anticip just because Idon't have a lot that are like
coming out in 2023.
I just have books that have beenon my list for so long.
I'm like, I have to read this.
I don't have, necessarily.
any that are coming out?
I don't think, um, at least notright now, but I do have
anticipated reads.
Okay.
Okay.
So, I'm definitely lookingforward to finishing the

(40:39):
Magnolia Park series or gettingcaught up.
Yeah.
Because Jess Hastings did justcome out with the fourth book,
Uhhuh.
So I am like ready to kind ofcatch back up on that.
cuz right now I'm on Daisy Hatesthe second book in that series.
so I'm really excited aboutthat.
And then, uh, legend Born, is ayoung adult fantasy book.

(41:02):
It's actually a series.
Uh, the second book I think cameout this year.
but I'm really excited aboutthat.
I started it, but I wasn't in myfantasy mood.
Yeah.
Um, so I quit reading it and nowI'm going to, I think I'm gonna
go into the new year, finishingthe first book.
Okay.
And then I'll finish the secondone.

(41:22):
How do you find all these books?
Because you, and I find, I feellike, like you said, you have so
many books that you Yeah.
Are by independent artists.
Um, oh, Sally Thorn, sorry, wasthe girl I was talking about
earlier.
Um, so how do you find thesepeople?
like I said the other day whenwe kind of started talking about
it mm-hmm.
I just over the years would readbooks and be like, I love this

(41:45):
book so much.
Like, is this author on socialmedia?
Yeah.
Found that.
And then just from being onsocial media and like following
people that also read mm-hmm.
I don't know, just kinda, or iflike, um, I read something.
I'm definitely one of thosepeople that goes to, like, other

(42:07):
people that love this book alsoread like this.
So I kind of look at itsuggested, um, Books and stuff
like that.
Um, really quick, Emily Henry iscoming out with another book.
Really?
2023.
Is she?
It's called Happy Place.
I like to read her books.
I my least favorite one I thinkis, um, beach Read.

(42:30):
I don't really care for it.
Yeah.
I love thought book Lovers wasreally cute.
I liked, uh, beach.
Read Over People.
We meet on vacation.
That's funny.
I'm the other way around.
No, I thought people we meet onvacation wasn't very good, to be
honest.
A lot of people think it'sboring.
I thought it was boring.
I loved it.
I thought it was great.
No.
Oh my gosh.
My one of my good reads says,because you enjoyed tis the
season.
Perfect.

(42:51):
I'm giving you, there it goes.
Book racks.
No.
Gosh, I hate you.
Oh, I do wanna read it.
It starts with us by callingHoover this upcoming year too.
Um, okay.
So I, I bought it so I have toread it.
I did read it Ends with us.
I thought it was great.
Um, but I also saw too manyvideos.
I think about it starts with us.

(43:12):
Mm.
Which is part of my problem.
Like when I see this stuff in,they're like, yeah, they're not
spoiling it, but they're justgonna talk about their feelings
on it.
I'm like, oh yeah.
But I also kinda lost the hypearound the second book because
there was so much time betweenme reading the first one and the
second one.
I was like, I agree with that.
Um, so that kind of tells youhow much I actually like, cared

(43:35):
for it.
I would say another one of myfavorite books I just thought
about, this is the Love Killseries by what's her name?
Because she hasn't released anymore books than that series, but
I can definitely tell you hername is Brianna Jean, I think.
Okay.
Small, like independent?

(43:55):
I think so.
Um, but like, I literally loveher and her books.
I think they cover like hardtopics and stuff and it's
romance, love, um, but it's justa really good story.
Love and the character, love ofdevelopment is a very, very
good.
This is getting me into thereading mood.
Oh girl.
I can't wait.
Yeah, me too.

(44:16):
Um, I can't wait for this kindof Christmas break because that
is what I want to do.
Like a goal of mine is tofinish.
Mm-hmm.
some of these books I have.
Yeah.
And honestly read more like funbooks I think too.
Um, because I don't know ifwe're the same or different on
this, but I am more of a Kindlereader.

(44:38):
Okay.
And then if I love a book, Iwill buy it.
Okay.
That was my final question wasKindle or physical books.
I will go buy physical bookslike crazy.
Um, me too.
And especially books I'vealready read.
But will I actually, I'm notabove that.
Read them.
I don't know.
I'm a.
So this is the funny story.
I will read them.
I will.
It's just that takes me longer.

(44:59):
I get through these, I don'tknow what it is, but these
Kindle book I have full lie.
No, it's something about theKindle.
It makes me read faster.
So funny story, I had a Kindlelast year and I was like, I
don't ever use this thing.
Mm-hmm.
So I gave it to mysister-in-law.
Mm-hmm.
And she loves it.
She reads it every night, everysingle night she's reading.
And then I was like, this pastyear I was like, you know what?

(45:20):
Or maybe it was two years ago, Igave it to her.
And this past year I was like,you know what?
I think I want a Kindle again.
And so I bought myself a Kindleand I feel like I fly through
books when I read my Kindle.
And I think that's why too, Ihaven't been reading as much is
because a lot of books before Ibought my Kindle were physical
books.
And so, They're just so muchharder for me to, cuz I like to

(45:43):
read at night too, so you haveto turn on a lamp or like,
whatever it may be.
Oh yeah.
See I and I wanna like lay on myside while I read.
Yeah.
And so it's just so easy andconvenient.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I love it.
I stand, I love it.
And so like Magnolia Parks is agood example.
Mm-hmm of like a book I read onmy Kindle but that I absolutely

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am purchasing.
Yeah.
Like I like that books can havedifferent covers too.
I think that's really cute.
Exactly.
Like, cuz if you look at my Goodreads, a lot of the books that
are on there, you're like, God,these covers are so cringe.
But yeah, they're the actual,like if I were to go actually
spy the, if I actually tophysically like buy the
paperback, it doesn't look likethat.

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No, none.
Um, some of them I wouldn't evenbuy just cuz I don't think it's
that good.
But like a lot of the ones that,like I talked about that do have
like those cringey covers, likea shirtless dude and he's like,
God so vomit.
So that's not really the realcover.
Not a lot of them.
A lot of them are just like, oh,oh, they have that then they
just, I mean that, I think it'scheaper honestly for a lot of

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the authors that I That makessense.
Follow.
Um, I think it's cheaper andthen like, eventually they'll,
like the brutal birthrightseries for example, like all
those covers were like, kind oflike the cringey covers quote
unquote, and then like now they,like you can buy ones that don't
look like that maybe.
Yeah, maybe it's like a startercover and, and then they get it.

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Like, I genuinely do think it'scheaper for those, probably
those covers probably.
Um, but like those, like I wouldnever buy that as a physical
like copy.
I just couldn't do it.
Cuz if I were, if I were in astore, if we were to go to the
bookstore right now, like firstoff, bad idea, Terrible idea.
Cause we've spend way too muchmoney and um, yeah, too many

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books.
I gotta read books, but I'm asucker, like for a pretty cover.
Yeah, me too.
Like there's this book I bought,it's called The Alchemist.
Haven't you've heard of that?
Haven't read it yet, but Iliterally bought it because it's
a beautiful cover and, but I'vealso heard good things about it
though.
Cause when I was checking out,um, the lady was just like, you
have a great mix of books here.
And I was like, that's amazing.
Thanks.

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Appreciate it.
Cause I tried to buy somethingother than romance and Yeah.
I think too with physical books,I'm a big highlighter and so
I'll sit and like highlight andthat's my favorite thing.
I know.
I love that.
I will go back through and dothat with books that I love.
Yeah.
I think personal development,I'd rather read physical because
I highlight I think fun books.
Like any kind of fiction I'drather read in my Kindle.

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Mm-hmm.
because I can fly through thoseI feel like.
Yeah.
But physical books, I think I'drather be able to highlight
stuff.
So do you read more.
School books I did.
But now that I'm getting backinto Kindle, I think I'll read
more Kindle in 2023.
Yeah, because I think I'm kindof getting back into like my fun
book era because there was, Imean like a three month period

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where I was like, I likeliterally reading a fun book
sounds absolutely miserableright now.
Like reading a romance orreading like a thriller sounds
literally miserable.
You couldn't get through it.
But then even though TISA Seasonfor Revenge was not a great
book, in my eyes, it was a fastread and I think that I have to
give it credit because it got meinto the spirit of reading more

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fun books.
That's really interesting thatit didn't just totally break
your spirit what to like forreading?
Cuz like it just wasn't, neitherone of us were filling it.
I didn't finish it.
Yeah, you did.
Took'em for the team.
I took him for the team.
I literally texted Lauren afterhe finished and I was like,
listen, you would've hated itbecause I drew the line in the
same, I was like, I'm notfinishing it.

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Yeah, I'm done.
How far did you even get?
I thought about 28%.
Yeah, right after that firstsmudge.
But I also have a rule formyself, like, oh really?
Yeah.
If I'm not liking a book, Idon't finish it, because that is
what will put me in a readingslump so fast.
So I do not force myself tofinish books at all anymore.
And you know, I do, when Iimplemented that rule, when,
when I read Normal People bySally Rooney, when I tell you,

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that book pissed me off so bad.
What's that book even about?
About these two people?
And they just have a weirdrelationship in the writing.
I didn't like It isn't, doesn'tit not have any quotation marks?
Has none.
Oh no, I can't read that book.
No, it has none.
So you even know when they'retalking, or No?
I mean you do just becausethere's still the like, and then

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he said, oh yeah, and thenwhatever.
But their whole relationship wasweird.
And it was one of those bookswhere like, in my mind I just
kind of made up an ending.
It just kind of like, likestopped.
I turned the page, there wasnothing.
And I was like, Okay.
I'm like pissed.
Oh, there was no ending.
Not necessarily in the way itended.

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So hate books that are No, it'slike they talked about like,
okay, like I'm gonna do this.
And then she was like, okay,like whatever.
And it, it follows them from, Ithink when they were at some
point of them in high schooluntil right after they got outta
college or like, oh, okay.
Ish.

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Um.
I, it, it was not a book for me.
And I have another Sally Rooneybook.
So many people love that book,so I know, and I just, there's
an, yeah, she has another book.
I don't remember what the titleis, but if a book does not have
a clear ending, don't give it tome.
I've read that in 2021 and I'mstill just like edited.
Yeah.
But after that, because I knewat some point in the book before

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I got to the end, I was like, Idon't, some people have, are you
gonna like this 25% rule or likea 50%?
They're gonna give it it's time.
I will give it it's time.
Mm-hmm.
I will, but I think I makemyself finished.
The thing about me though is,which makes me just very
indecisive in the worst way.
My first thoughts are usuallylike, correct.

(51:26):
Yeah.
I start reading and I'm like, Idon't like her.
I don't like this.
That's literally how you were atTest ver you were like, I hate
the main character.
When we got to that, the, the,um, The smut?
Yes.
The, the first scene.
Um, already it was like afterthat too, already.
I already wasn't filling heranyways.
And then I was just like, I'mnot invested in her.

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He, I think is gonna steal theshow and I need to be fully
invested into both of thesepeople in order to read this
smut scene.
Well, I don't know.
I wouldn't say he stole theshow, to be honest.
you weren't filling him as muchas No, because if anyone hasn't
read it and wants to read it,skip over this part.
But what pissed me off so muchwas the anticipation of buildup.

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And then he literally was justlike, oh, it's fine.
Like, you lied to me this wholetime.
You're not gonna make her workfor it at all.
Okay.
Yeah.
He literally leaves the buildingand she goes down and she's
like, why didn't you have yourcoat?
And he was like, I was neveractually gonna leave.
I just took to get some freshair.
So that was the supposedthought.
But like I told you the otherday when we were talking about
it, like it was one of thosethings where the smut and then

(52:34):
like his possessiveness and thesmut and stuff just like didn't,
to me it felt very out of place.
The smut did for the book.
Yeah.
I was like, I feel like this issupposed to be like a cozy book
or something.
The No, the possessiveness, likeyou said, it felt odd.
It felt, but like, it's givingick, it's not like, it's not
giving q or sexy.
It's giving ick, it's giving redflag.

(52:56):
Yeah.
I, I, a hundred percent.
Because he was like, no, you'remine.
Eh, that's given.
But it was just like bad advice.
So out of place for the book.
But yeah, it's fine.
I don.
Plan on finishing it.
Um, I'm proud of you.
Anyway, do you have any final.
Recommendations or any finalbook?
Thoughts?

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We just wanted to do this.
I don't know.
I'd just love to read Yeah, wehonestly, we were gonna kind of
do like a post holidays episode,but I feel like we kind of
wrapped it all up in our lastepisode.
Yeah.
And we've been talking aboutbooks the past couple of days
anyways.
Yeah, and it was just kind of,it was a good timing.
It was, I feel like I'm finallygetting back into it.

(53:38):
So we'll probably talk moreabout books honestly, on here.
Cause we.
I feel like we'll give updates,like probably kinda like our
life updates, updates,especially one that we like
really loved.
Yeah.
And also I feel like we can giveupdates every like, so often
about where we're at in ourgoals.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, that's true.
That would be fun.
Yeah, that would be good.
I'm excited for 2023.
I think that's gonna be such agood year.
Next episode is gonna be allabout like our intentions and

(54:01):
our goals.
Mm-hmm.
um, and just what we're excitedfor.
Mm-hmm.
So that'll be a really, reallyfun episode.
Yep.
It sure will be.
But I hope you all have a verymerry Christmas, a happy
holidays, whatever youcelebrate.
Yep.
Um, and we will talk to you nextweek.
Bye.
Cry babies.
Bye carers.