Episode 185: Inside the Political Game: Strategy, Missteps, and Media Manipulation

🔥 In This Episode:

🎙️ Jay McCleskey Breaks Down the NM Governor’s Race

• The 2026 race for New Mexico governor is already heating up.
• Rio Rancho Mayor Greg Hull has officially entered the race—and while we like Hull, we dig into what could make him successful and what potential landmines he’ll need to avoid.
• But the big story is Democratic frontrunner Deb Haaland—raising massive money yet already showing cracks in her campaign.
• Mark and Jay give you the behind-the-scenes analysis you won’t hear anywhere else.

🇸🇻 Why Is a U.S. Senator Fighting for MS-13 Members?

• Sen. Chris Van Hollen just visited El Salvador… to try and get an MS-13 gang member released.
• Wait—what? We ask the tough question: Why are some Democrats siding with gang members instead of their own constituents?
• You have to hear this to believe it.

🚔 Kristi Noem: Homeland Security or Hollywood?

• Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem has gone viral—posing in full ICE agent gear.
• Krysty questions whether the glamorous photo ops help or hurt Noem’s credibility.
• Should a Cabinet official be staging glamour shots, or is it time for a more grounded, serious approach? We break it down.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
You and I are told increasingly we have to choose
between a left or right.
Well, I'd like to suggest thereis no such thing as a left or
right, there's only an up ordown.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Now your hosts Christy and Mark Runcay.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
Okay, we're going to do this a little different today
.
It's going to be a lot ofgame-winning.
We have David Klusky, thelegendary campaign advisor,
political guru, joining us todayto talk all things politics.

Speaker 5 (00:38):
Happy to be here.
We have the junior varsityproducing team today.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah, we do have the JV varsity producing team, mark
Runcetti, it's not great.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's not going to be great here.
I'm not going to lie to you.
I hope I'm recording this quitefrankly.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Oh good, that would be helpful, because I'm not even
hearing anything in my ear.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
So we'll see how this shakes out.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
But yeah, I'll be punching my goodness so it's
weird, and we're trying torecord this a little earlier
than we normally do, so that'skind of the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
So why don't?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
you give us a little quick rundown of what are we
going to see today?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, we're going to talk right off the top stuff
that I think you don't get inany.
Who's raising the right amountof money, who's not raising the
right amount of money, who'sdone a good job in their
announcement, maybe who hasn't?
And then we're going to diveinto the person who's raising

(01:33):
all the money.
You should be terrified forthat person, for a very simple
reason.
Here We'll get to then probablythe dumbest political move that
I've ever seen from a UnitedStates Senator.
The dumbest political move thatI've ever seen from a United
States Senator.
Chris Van Hollen has decidedhe's going to El Salvador to try
to get an MS-13 gang member outof prison.
Okay, a guy that.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Maryland.
He's a Maryland father.
Let's not forget that.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
We'll talk about the Maryland dad, there's no doubt
about that and we're also goingto talk about, well, a bunch of
different issues here, but butwe're going to hit on some state
stuff going on here and we'realso going to talk about, well,
a bunch of different issues here, but but we're going to hit on
some state stuff going on hereand, of course, some of the
national stuff and we are goingto take a shot at our good
friend, christie gnome, who, Iyou know, come on.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
You have to at this point, cause it's kind of
comical.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes, yes, but let's start with some emails.
This is going to be good show,especially right off the top.
If you want to know really whathappens in campaigns underneath
the surface stuff that you'vegot to have someone like Jay to
help teach you, this is the showyou want to listen to.
It's definitely interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
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coming in hey, Mark, what areyour thoughts on Greg Hull
throwing his hat into the bid asgovernor on the Republican side
?
Well, perfect question comingin there from Sagittarius.
We are going to dive right in.

(03:54):
That's our top story.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
today is Greg Hull's, and now it's not really the top
story, but it's our first story.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
It's like my old news days.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes no, you're right, that's a good point, it's a
good point.
So here it is.
Greg Hull sort of announcesyeah.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Kind of it's a soft launch which is very unusual.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
So let's talk a couple of things.
First of all, to answer the theour viewer question.
Uh, I like Greg Hull a lot.
I think he's a really good guy.
There is nobody I know inpolitics who loves the minutia
of governing more than Greg Hull.
He is into it.
He is not in this to go get hisface somewhere.
He really isn't.
He's in it because he loves it.

(04:31):
He loves the grind, he loveslike if your trash is not being
picked up on time, greg Hull'slike I'm on it.
I'm on it.
I mean literally.
I've sat at dinners with himwhen he's gone into detail on
stuff, when I, quite frankly,I'm like my goodness gracious,
what are we talking about here?
But he loves it and for that Ithink it's a great quality to
have.
So Greg's a genuine guy in therespect that you know where he's

(04:53):
coming from and you know thathe truly loves to do the job of
mayor of Rio Rancho.
Okay, now can he be a governor?
I don't know.
So, jay, I'll let you talk alittle bit about this, but I'll
just talk briefly about hisannouncement too.
So we want to do a couple ofthings.
I'll give you the quick thingthere's no such thing as a soft
launch in politics.
You don't say I'm probablygoing to run here, I'm going to

(05:14):
announce in a couple of monthsOkay, you get one shot at it in
most cases, and what you is youhave your team lined up and you
do a really good job, a reallyslickly produced video.
You get out there, you dointerviews with everybody and
you get the word out there very,very quickly, and then you use
that momentum to go raise money.
I mean, that's what you do andin this particular case I don't

(05:38):
love what they did.
It's kind of a yeah, he's goingto run here in a few months and
we're sort of raising money notthat much, but we're raising a
little bit and so it's just kindof a fits and starts sort of
thing and that I didn't love.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Jay well, hold on before you answer, jay, aren't
you like, can't, don't you haveto formally set up your
committee and all this stuff?

Speaker 5 (05:50):
it's probably formally set up.
Okay, so it's technicallyformally set up.
The problem and I agree withmark, the problem with doing
that a lot of times is donorsare like all right, we'll come
back when you're gonna, whenyou've finally announced time
wasted.
You know it really and it hurtsyour ability to fundraise,
because no one I mean donors ingeneral love any excuse to sit
on the sidelines in a primary oh, we know that.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
We know as well.
The famous line is we'll hitship after the primary or and
then after the primary.
I was with you the whole time.
Exactly, yeah, I was always onyour team the whole time.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
It's absolutely true they, they look for that excuse.
There's no question.
And so when?

Speaker 5 (06:22):
you say I'm announced , I'm announced, but I'm not
announced.
Well, that's built in.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, that you've just given them that free pass.
And here's the thing too is theprimary for the Republican seat
of governor is not until nextJune.
Everybody, we got a year.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
For both.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Okay, so for both, but still we got a solid.
What is that?
13 months, 14 months, everybody.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
And I think I mean we're pretty insider-ish here.
I don't think we can name thefield right now, and so you know
who knows who gets in.
I think I agree with you, he'sdone a really good job governing
and I think that if he's smart,he'll compare and contrast
Albuquerque to Rio Rancho, whichI do all the time when I talk
to people.
It's like why don't they havethe same homelessness and crime
up there and crime up thereRight and?

(07:01):
But his challenge is he's goingto be very unknown, very
unknown it's going to take a lotof money to get him.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
It's going to take a lot of money and it takes a
story.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
You know you got to develop a narrative that's
really compelling to voters.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
That will be his challenge, okay.
So let's talk about that,because I want to show you his I
guess it's kind of a hype videothat he did.
I guess it's kind of a hypevideo that he did, I guess.
And again, there's someinteresting things in here.
And then I think there are somebear traps for him, because one
of the big bear traps for Gregwill be jumping into things like
well, I fixed the roads, okay.
That's like when we wererunning for governor and I

(07:36):
always want to talk about water.
You'd always be like shut up,shut up.
I mean, it matters, watermatters.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Water matters.
Water matters, but overall withthe electorate, it's way behind
climate.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I remember talking to you about stuff too, Jay.
I was like we need to talkabout this and this and all my
great ideas, and you were like,yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great.
The top three things are whatwe're going to focus on.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
And let's stick to those.
Right now, voters have a crazyidea of the elections, about
them and what they care about.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, it's weird, it's weird, it's weird, it's
really out of line on their part.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
But let's go ahead and let's just play this video,
and I'll probably stop it at onepoint because it does.
He does fall into this beartrap a little bit, but again,
here we go.
This is a hype video for anannouncement that has not
happened yet.
Again, not something that Ithink you necessarily need to do
, it's not necessarily thegreatest way to do it, but but
let's just listen to this alittle bit, anyway.
Okay, again, just sort of statshere.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, for people that are just listening to our show
and not watching it, it's just abunch of graphics talking about
touting, real Rancho?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, it's touting real Rancho.
Number one safest city 44 majorroad projects completed.
Okay, that's just one thingright there.
It just you gotta be careful onstuff like this, and I know
it's trying to put this kind ofcompetence thing forward to say,
look, I've done this, I've donethese things, but again, you
have not seen Greg Hall yet.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
And again, it's literally just video of New
Mexico, rio Rancho, with a bunchof graphics over it, yeah, and
then there's Greg right there Umthere he is.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
So there he is, and so it's interesting that, again,
if you ask them, right, what'sgoing on, what they'll tell you
is hey look, this is notdesigned to be a launch video,
right, it's not designed.
But the thing is funny, jake,because you'd never let us spend
a dime if we didn't have to.
And so I think what you seehere is it's a fine, it's a fine

(09:43):
video, but I still don't know.
I don't know Greg connected tothat, and so that's one of those
things that I think sometimesyou get too clever with some of
these consultants.
They give you some ideas andthey think we're going to do
this little hype video, thenwe're going to lead into this,
and then we're going to leadinto that when this is more of a
blunt instrument and nottactical.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Right, and you're trying to reach people outside
of Rio Rancho, and so he'stalking about road projects,
because anyone kind of the samereason water gets important to
people is if you're in that areait's really really important,
legitimately so.
And road projects on the Westside, rio Rancho, it's a big
deal.
You know like those are a bigdeal.
But how does that matter tosomeone in Albuquerque's
Northeast Heights or inTucumcari or in, you know,

(10:25):
northern New Mexico or southeast?
It doesn't necessarily as muchas you can hammer on crime or
hammer on some of these otherissues.
The other thing is and in arace for governor, his story is
going to matter, like he's goingto have to tell a story about
himself.
That connects, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah, it's definitely going to be on him to find a
way to interest people, interestvoters, interest.
Tell people why he's different.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
But in his defense I'm going to say this Like when
candidates announce especiallyearly on, like this happens all
the time, I mean Susana Martinezannounced I wasn't on board yet
for the record, she announcedat a restaurant that had like, a
bad like would have been closeddown or something.
I mean, like people do stuffall the time Red tag and that
turned out perfectly.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, so you never know.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
It's going to take time.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
He's got plenty of time to like put his stuff
together.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, and I just don't want him to fall into the
bear trap of of don't get tootechnical around the day in, day
out, minutia stuff.
Right, get higher up and startto talk about your vision for
what the state is and how.
You not only have the rightvision, but you've executed on
that vision and so he's got that.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, I do think he's got some bullets in the gun
when it comes to that and he's avery likable individual.
I think people will really likehim.
It's just really it's.
It's the connection.
I think that he's going to haveto see that, like, you can be a
leader and you can have greatideas, but if you can't connect
with people, and then that's thedifference between an executive
race and like a race forCongress or Senate, that it's
three dimensional.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
The personal connection really matters?
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, you get asked that all the time and I've been
asked by people what's thedifference between the
governor's race and the Senaterace?
And the difference is peoplecare so much more about the
governor's race than they doabout a Senate race.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Oh, you could feel, I feel the difference in that.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
They need to get to know you.
Oh, yeah, it was day, and nightA lot of the Senate race.
Some of those are just issueproxy races, in the sense of
they're really about federalissues and it's who's going to
vote on my behalf on thatfederal issue.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Except that, jay, I mean I'm telling you we just
Bregman's announcement and hisjust all felt federal to me,
which was interesting becausethey're just their number one
issues.
Donald Trump, I get it, I getit, I get it.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
They're going to run off the sitting governor who's
appointed him to positions allacross the board.
He is her.
So, so absolutely he is.
He is never gonna, he's nevergonna not turn this into a to a
race to Trump Plus, he's tryingto win a, which is impossible.
I'll ask you this in a second,but hold on, let's get to Deb
Hall and then we'll ask about it.
Well, no, I want to say one morething before you just jump in

(12:48):
on top of me, try to do a showwith the two of you.
It's going to be dangeroustoday.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
I've tried to produce over here.
I'm working on it.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
It's like a snake bite coming at me every time you
started talking and the thingsyou want to talk about.
I'll never forget this.
You said, Mark, those arestatewide issues that you're
talking about.
This is a governor's race, whatyou're talking about, and
you're running for US Senate,and so it was like when he
finally ran for governor, Markwas like, yes, now this is all
the stuff I care about.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
This is I care about New Mexico.
Yeah, I love that you didn'tcare about Senate.
Let's not let her talk anymore.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
I did not say that you didn't care about Senate.
I'm just saying it was veryclear to me that you were
passionate about fixing theproblems in New Mexico, even
when you were running for USSenate.
Right, no-transcript to seethis kind of flip on the

(13:52):
different things.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
I was just saying that Mark Garnkian and Sam
Bregman are very differentpeople Just a tad.
So Bregman read a poll thatsaid Democrat primary voters
hate Donald Trump.
So that's what he's talkingabout.
It's not really a passion.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, Mark Hall spoke onpassion.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
He's real tough on crime, except when he was
letting out child rapists andother criminals.
Yeah, those things, yeah, soyou're a big fan of Bregman, we
know that.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
And we'll get to him in a second because we have some
stuff on him, but I wantbecause this is fascinating to
me.
The numbers came out.
So there's two things.
It's good news, bad news forDeb Haaland.
I will say her numbers, herfinancial numbers for the first
quarter of this year are massive.

(14:35):
She raised, I think, $2.9million.
That's unbelievable, it'sreally impressive.
So, $2.9 million, and she's gota lot of small-dollar donors in
there.
She's got a ton of out-of-statemoney where she's got the
Pelosi's of the world lining herpockets.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Some tribal places.
Oh, absolutely, oh, yeah,absolutely.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
But that is impressive.
So while Holland Campaign tookin nearly $2.9 million in
contributions, it also reportedspending now just hold on to
your seat 1.2 million onadvertising and other expenses,
a year out from an election.
It's craziness that left thecampaign accounts of the former
interior secretary, who'sseeking to become the first

(15:14):
native American woman electedgovernor in us history, with an
account balance of slightly morethan $1.7 million.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
I will say that Jay was nowhere near her campaign
Cause.
This would never happen.
And when I do campaign schools.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
I always tell them it doesn't matter how much you
raise, it matters how much youspend when it matters and that's
the thing is spending it now.
I mean they, you'll.
I think you have some, but itwas a ton of money on digital.
And again we're not Democratprimary voters.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
So who?
We're not Democrat primaryvoters, so who knows what?
Okay, so hold on, We'll take alook here.
Look at this, you guys.
So I dove into where she'sspending the money.
Okay, this is what we'retalking about.
This is stuff you don't getanywhere else.
You talk about nerd loser.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Yeah, if you're interested in campaign and
elections, we may be boringpeople.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
As you look closely here it says middle seat Okay,
that's a pulling out of hercampaign.
$150,000 that they pulled out,let's see here.
Oh, and then another hundredthousand for middle seat here,
and it's not just there.
You go to another middle seatgot another 60,000, and middle
seat got another 75,000, andthen middle seat got another

(16:15):
85,000, and then they gotanother 20,000 middle seats a
digital.
So good question, Okay.
So I started to wonder thatsame thing as I go through my
little rundown here.
This is what bad producing doesfor you.
But here they are, and this isa full service firm for
progressive causes andcandidates.
They do digital.
Okay, they do digital.
So now, jay, I don't know howyou spend this much money this

(16:37):
early.
What do you think theexplanation here might be?
And here's my one argument,before you get to that, it is
that a lot of times you canlearn about a candidate by how
they run their campaign.
If they run their campaign veryloose with money and I remember
when Ben Ray ran out of moneywhen we were running against him
down the stretch right, he hadto get bailed out by the uh, by

(16:57):
the uh Democrats in DC.
So you learn how irresponsiblethey are with their campaigns.
We never ran out of moneybecause we A have the tightest
political consultant that everlived.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
I would be like, hey, can we get more signs?
Can we do this?
What's your favorite line, Jay?
No.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
No Signs don't win elections.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Signs don't win elections.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Signs Barack.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Obama spent a billion dollars and didn't spend it on
a single billboard.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, there you go and so my point on this is tight
with money.
It may explain a little bit ofthe type of governor she will be
, which is somebody who listensto the chattering class in DC,
gets raked over the coals.
Money wise.
She's getting ripped off.
I don't care what she saysabout these numbers.
This is way too much money thisearly that she's flowing out

(17:46):
the door.
She's going to raise more thananyone's ever raised, I
guarantee it.
Okay, but she could also crashand burn spectacularly because
of a some of her own limitationsand then be some of her poor
management of her campaign.
So, jay, what did you thinkabout some of those numbers?

Speaker 5 (18:00):
I mean it's just it's hard.
I mean it's huge, I mean it'seye popping, I mean it's just
it's hard, I mean it's huge, Imean it's eye popping.
But one thing we don't knowexactly what they're spending it
on.
Are they just advertising andmessaging voters?
Are they trying to build lists,or they, you know, prospecting?
but, at the end of the day,prospecting is you're trying to
get.
It costs a lot of money.
You're trying to get new lowdollar donors into your campaign
Later.
They'll end up.
You'll lose money when youprospect early on, but the hope

(18:22):
is you'll make it on the backend, be when you're, when you're
able to fundraise for him laternow.
The problem but I honestlythink it's happening she has so
many consultants on board.
She's put this and they all canthink of a reason to spend
money.
That's right now and that'swhat they're doing.
Yep, and they're spending moneyand I don't know if they're
trying to juice polls or tryingto.
They were trying to keep peopleout of the race or what the
rationale was behind it.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I think she's trying to push on Heinrich here to get
him out.
I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
I mean I would thought they probably have a
$30,000 expenditure for a survey.
That's probably what keptHeinrich out, as they showed him
that.
But I don't know if they'retrying to juice numbers.
It's so it's hard to say.
It's just a lot of money andyou're always risking saying, oh
, we'll raise it until somethinghappens and you may not be able
to raise that money.
And, as you know, when you gethit with that negative ad, you

(19:06):
know, six weeks out, you wantthat money, you're going to want
that 1.2 million to come backand talk about.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Sam Bregman's former clients.
Well, and essentially evenbringing up Bregman.
It's interesting I saw it inthe release, the same story that
they were talking to DebHolland.
He has a he you know.
It says here he's raised about76 in his campaign, or about 90
um.
He transferred it in yeah, hetransferred it in from his
account, but this is what I thisis.
What stood out to me was thathe has a press secretary like

(19:38):
spokesperson on staff that gavehis statement to the journal on
this and I was dying laughing.
I chuckled silently.
I was like he's already gotstaff giving him like company
spokesperson.
I mean, we didn't have like acampaign spokesperson for Mark,
I think, for a solid year,because we would not spend the
money?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
What are they going to say that I'm not going to say
?

Speaker 4 (19:59):
I know.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Why would I not say it?
And, by the way, speaking ofthat, even if you go and look at
Holland stuff, do you rememberlike you look at the payroll
numbers that they pay?
Oh, they're massive, it'sunreal.
It's just on payroll alone wehad two people for a year.
No, no, no, but this isdifferent though.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
They're paying DC rates for it's unreal In New
Mexico.
Yeah, it's unreal, and ifyou're trying to big foot,
everybody out.
But clearly they haven'tbecause Bregman's in, yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
And I don't think he'll even be the last one in,
if you're.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Bregman, you like this because all of a sudden
it's not really a $2.9 millionadvantage anymore.
Yeah, like all of a sudden itbecomes much more doable.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
And with that burn rate, Okay, I want to ask you
about the Bregman thing.
We've just lampooned his wholeeffort because I think it's
crazy.
I don't think you ever win aDemocratic primary in a blue
state by running to the middle.
It just doesn't work, right Itotally agree.
So he's going to try to run asthis centrist which he's not, by

(20:57):
the way, but he's going to tryto create this, gavin Newsom,
I'm whoever you want me to be,and then he's going to get boat
raced, assuming that Holland isdisciplined and doesn't expose
herself to really getting smokedin a public setting.
Do you agree with that?
Do you think he's got any shot?
What are people telling him?
What's his pathway here?

Speaker 5 (21:17):
I think he has a shot , but I think the shot's because
Holland is so flawed that shecould easily implode on herself.
But I mean Bregman has hugeproblems.
I mean he's trying to run as amoderate in a Democratic primary
.
That sucks, doesn't exist.
You know, that's not gonna thatthat voter group doesn't exist
anymore, back when he was a citycouncilor up here in what, 97,

(21:41):
98, somewhere in there.
Like it's a totally differenttime right now and I think
that's where he's reallyvulnerable, that he's on all
sides of all issues.
We beat him the first time whenwhen brad winter ran for city
council back in the 90s, callinghim showboat sam, because
that's all he was.
He would never.
It was just all show.
Everything about him wasshowboat sam and he's kind of
playing into that too.
He's got the black hat againit's the same thing he's tough

(22:05):
but he's not.
I mean, and, and you know, Ithink the biggest advice, the
best advice anyone can ever givea candidate is you have to be
genuine, right, you have to bereal, because they're going to
figure it out.
Voters are going to figure outwho you really are.
I think, he's going to have ahard time trying to square all

(22:25):
this.
When you have Holland's team,it's not hard for them to point
out all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
He's riding the horse , you guys.
He's got the cowboy hat on.
We got the close-up, veryfearful shot of him.
I said he'd make an excellentnew show for netflix.
We could call him, like,lincoln county lawyer right
great new show, great new slidefor that.
I think that would be stellarfor him and I just think I, I
feel like, even when I just sawthat at one time, I'm like I

(22:51):
don't know how this is going toappeal to any, especially women,
as I feel like it looks phony,it looks like a TV show.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
I tried to tell Jay when we were announced for
governor we should go to a veganbodega down in Las.
Cruces, because that's whereall our voters are.
I mean it's ludicrous, it'slike what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (23:10):
On the horse in the middle of this, the horse with
no name.
I'm waiting for the gun to comeout of his holster and start
shooting up in the sky.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
He is, you know.
I do know he wouldn't have gota concealed carry permit at some
point.
So I mean again, that's nothelpful, though no it doesn't
help you.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, it's interesting, Okay.
So, yeah, I think we're all onthe same page on that.
All right, I want to move onhere.
No, hang on.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Before you move on, because Holland is weak like I
would not, and Bregman is goingto be aggressive, and one of
those shots could connect easily.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Oh, I totally agree with you, he is.
He is fighting somebody who has.
It's like a boxing match whereHolland just has to stay away
from him.
She's got to run around thering for three minutes at a time
and by the end of those 10rounds, if she never takes a
punch and never throws a punch,she's won Okay, but if he
connects with her, she'sfinished.
She's got a glass jaw, I thinkis the easiest way to say it.
Now I will say this too, thoughif he connects too early, he

(24:03):
will get company in that primary, because if he knocks her out
and he gets her out early enough, all of a sudden you'll see
somebody jump into that race.
It could be Torres.
It could be behind Rickspinning the bus back around
from DC and trying to get backhere.
That's not out of the question.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
Yeah, I think that's a great point.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Yeah, I, I just think it's.
It's going to be interesting tosee.
I think that Sam Bregman wouldhave an easier time.
Obviously, we've talked aboutthis off off the air or off the
show.
He'd have an easier time in ageneral election.
He's a bigger threat in ageneral election, but the
primary is where he's going tobe.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
the weakest and he's vulnerable right now, honestly,
on things we don't know aboutand he may not have remembered,
but they have, you know, $2million to start digging.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
They very much exist.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
They'll find out.
They'll find out.
They always find everything out.
Here's the question for you,though, is you know?
Some of the questions that havecome up on Twitter about Sam
Bregman is will the independentvote now that these are open
primaries?
Will that vote really turn inhis favor at primaries?

Speaker 5 (24:56):
I just don't think it's going to be that big of a
number.
No, no, I mean, I think youlook at registration and you
have DTS is really high.
But if you look at turnout ingeneral elections, it's half you
know.
And the reason is motor voterpeople when they go register to
vote and they don't knowanything about either party,
they choose DTS.
It's not people have this ideathat it's really like people are

(25:18):
very focused.
It's a smaller number.
So, yeah, I think he'llprobably do better with those
voters.
But I mean, there's a greenishtinge to some independents.
I'd imagine they're voting ademocratic primary.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, and the interesting thing about that too
is the long is the list ofcandidates who have never even
come close.
When they said as long as I getthose independents to turn out
in a primary, I'm in really goodshape.
Like that doesn't happen.
You see that a little bit inplaces like New Hampshire, where
that's baked into theelectorate over decades.
Getting New Mexico voters outwho are independents, who tend

(25:49):
to not vote as much, for theexact reasons that Jay says.
Getting them to come back outagain and vote for you, I think,
is fool's gold.
It sounds good in a donormeeting when you say to the
donor we're going to get allthis, and they're like well,
I'll kind of make some sense.
And you get these Republicanvoters who are like, well, we're
going to get a Democrat anyway,so we might as well have the
least bad Democrat.
That's some of what you get,but with him you get a lot more
than you're bargaining for.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Put it that way Okay, let's talk about the fact that
there's been an arrest now withthe bombing of the Republican
New Mexico headquarters ourheadquarters office.
So it's an Albuquerque mancharged in connection with the
arson attacks on Tesladealership and the Republican
Party.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
And other than his blue lipstick.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, that's solid blue lipstick.
Let's hear what Pam Bondi hasto say about it and then we can
talk about this a little bit.
She went on Fox News and talkedabout arresting this guy and
the fact that the feds don'tplay around when they arrest you
.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
This guy is charged with committing the Tesla
offense in New Mexico inFebruary and then the GOP
headquarters in March.
These people thought they couldget away with it.
They can't.
This is our fifth major arreston Tesla.
I guess they are listening.
They can't.
This is our fifth major arreston Tesla.
I guess they are listening.
They better listen.
This guy is looking at 40 yearsin prison.

(27:02):
I have directed my prosecutorsnot to make any offers.
He is going away if convictedfor 40 years.
He is the fifth major arrestwe've made and stay tuned for
more.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
So there go okay.
So yeah, so this guy I I thinkit's it's interesting in the
whole deal here and his name isjameson wagner, um, and he, uh,
obviously, he does, apparentlyappreciates a good lipstick he
appreciates good lipstick.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
He's, he's and a mullet.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
As it appears, there's some mullet going on
here as well.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
He's from his big problem was he didn't tighten
down that hoodie.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I don't know if you saw the criminal complaint.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Oh, the criminal picture.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
it's definitely him After he lit that Molotov
cocktail off and that Tesla,like the blowback, pushed his
hoodie back.
And it's very clearly him.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Oh, it's so clearly him, so I don't know how he's
going to get away with that one.
He's not.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
He had all the evidence at his so in the feds.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
don't screw up when the feds charge you.
It's like good night everybody.
Yeah, it's not like the AP.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
It's not like Albuquerque Police Department.
So well, at least he's beencaught, which is good to hear,
honestly, I mean and we wetalked about the governor's
house in Pennsylvania, joshShapiro's house, getting
firebombed by another crazy loonas well.
They've caught him, which isgood news.
I'm glad that some of these arebeing taken seriously and
people are going after this,regardless of what side of the

(28:18):
aisle you're on.
I'm just this all this likeviolent, let's go up with
violence, I just think has tostop, and rhetoric that is
pushed through by our leadersdoesn't help.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
So yeah, and it does look like the Shapiro attack was
anti-Semitic.
I mean, that's why this personwent after Shapiro is because
he's Jewish.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
You won't hear about that, though on a lot of the
national news programs.
Unfortunately, it's interestinghe didn't seem to have real.
I mean, he bashed on Biden, hebashed on Trump, he's bashed on
all kinds of things, but hereally is really anti-Semitic,
and so I just think that's theone thing that, well, what
really needs to happen is whatPam Bondi's doing, which is,
someone goes away for four yearsfor that.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
All right, how much do you really care about that
issue that you now want to gothrow a Molotov cocktail at
someone like an idiot.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
It's just some building.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Okay, so now let's speak Speaking of uh, I don't
know, idiots, I don't know ifthis is I, just no, this is the
story of the day.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
I think it's fascinating.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Oh, and there's local connections.
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Let's tell what the story is first.
Let's read this headline so tophouse Dems trying to send
delegation to El Salvador.
Again as a reminder.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
And we were going to do this story right.
We're going to do the houseDems right.
But then Chris Holland's likehold my beer, Chris Van Hollen,
hold my beer, I'm going to ElSalvador.
So we switched directions hereand here he is, Van Hollen.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, van Hollen requests meeting with the
president to discuss return ofKilmar Abrego Garcia, announcing
his intent to travel to ElSalvador this week If Garcia is
not returned.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Okay, and guess what he did.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Got on a plane.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
This genius got on a plane and did it, so, so we want
to follow this and follow hisprogress.
So here he is, when he lands inSan Salvador.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I hope to meet with some high-level government
officials from El Salvador.
As I've said before, the goalof my visit is to talk to people
here about the release ofKilmar Abrego Garcia.
I told his wife and his familyI would do everything possible
to bring him home and we'regoing to keep working at this

(30:22):
until we're successful.
I also hope to have the chanceto meet with him, but we'll have
a better idea if that works outa little later on.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
I mean I'm sorry.
This is in the way the mediaare spinning this, like calling
him a Maryland father and dad.
And it's it's ridiculous thathe was found by two immigration
courts, which, by the way,Maryland is not known for being
like a right leaning court byany stretch.
He was found to be a member ofMS 13 and they want they put him

(30:53):
on to deport him.
Then he files a couple of likethings to get him to not go back
to El Salvador.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Let's go through, because when I first heard it, I
kept reading articles trying tofigure out what is this?

Speaker 6 (31:03):
And you can't find it because, they buried it.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Oh, it's hard to find it.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
You would think, reading through it, it's an
American citizen that gotwrongfully deported.
So in 2011, he admits he cameto the United States illegally.
Seven years later, like 2019,seven or eight years later, he's
picked up along with otherMS-13 gang members.

(31:25):
They were questioning them inregards to a murder, not saying
that he was involved.
But they say oh, he's hereillegally.
They go to deport him.
They put a hold on him.
His lawyers asked theimmigration judge to let him go.
The DHS says no, we think he'spart of MS-13.
There's nothing to rebut that.
And the judge says well, I'mnot going to take a chance with
this, so I'm holding you.
A little while later, hislawyers come forward and they
say they try to claim asylum,but you can't claim asylum

(31:46):
because it's time barred.
And he's saying I feel dangerif I went back did not grant him
any kind of legal status.
He just said you can't removehim to El Salvador.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Which is where he is from, for the record.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Which is where he's from, and it's because he was
fearing of a gang that was eightyears.
You know, like this case couldhave been won easily to send him
back to El Salvador.
So the mistake the quotemistake is they moved him to El
Salvador and not he could havebeen removed to any other
country.
So like that's the issue andhe's from El Salvador, well,
he's in El Salvador.
He's an illegal immigrant fromEl Salvador.
The idea that we can go kidnaphim and bring him back is insane

(32:24):
and that's why the media likeit doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
What do you want the United States to do at this
point?
Well, and then gangs that hewas scared of in El Salvador.
They are no longer a threat,according to the president of El
Salvador.
So that actually released, thatwould be released from him too,
and because he's still beingwaited to be deported anyway.
It wasn't like he was grantedasylum here.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
He was going to be in and his mom owns some store
that there was getting extorted.
That store has been closed.
This case is a bogus case andit's a perfect example, and this
is why I think the Democratshave a problem.
Is the Atlantic or the mediaruns on these stories and these
guys jump on it and decidethat's their hero?
And the media, of course, isnot like told the whole truth.
And then all of a sudden you'reon a plane to El Salvador to

(33:10):
try to free a potential MS-13gang member, at worst, at best
an illegal immigrant who shouldbe deported.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
And, by the way, there is some.
There is some domestic violencein there too as well, by the
way.
Oh right, that's good to hear.
Yeah, because they talk abouthim here.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
He's married.
Yeah, he was married when hewas in jail.
Hold pending the removalprocess in 2019, so of course,
you're doing everything you canto try to stay in the united
states.
So again, it's just, it's a.
It's a great example of abusingthe system.
It's in the I.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
we used to jump on a lot of these guys like the Van
Hollens of the world and theparty in general on the
democratic side for jumping onthese 80, 20 issues and just
hard on that 20, just workingthat 20 hard.
This has to be a 90, 10.
I mean it's crazy bad in theother part of this and the other
political part of this is thisis Rachel Moore.
This is one of actually one ofChris Van Hollen's constituents.

(34:00):
She's dead.
She's dead because an MS-13gang member killed her from El
Salvador, by the way from ElSalvador.
OK, what did he do with her?
What call did he make to theMoore and family to say I am so
sorry.
I'm doing everything I can inWashington DC?
Funny you ask.
Sean Hannity asked the samequestion of Rachel Morin's

(34:20):
mother.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Your senator going to bat for this illegal.
But did he ever say anything toyou and your family about your
loss to ever call you, ever takethe time to be with you?

Speaker 8 (34:36):
No, actually I'm very angry, I'm actually outraged,
but I'm too sad at the moment toshow anger.
At the same time, he did notcall our family.
He did not give condolences.
There was no action on theDemocratic Party in any way from
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris,Mayorkas, anyone here in

(35:02):
Maryland.
None of the senators didanything to help search for the
murderer of my daughter.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
And to add to that this, this guy that killed her
daughter, he his DNA was leftbehind at a scene of a crime in
California where he assaulted awoman and did a home burglar
invasion.
And that's how they ended uplinking them thinking this guy
to her murder.
Had they done the DNA swap atthe border Cause he tried to
cross twice, by the way, beforehe actually got in they would
have seen that he was on anInterpol because he had murdered

(35:31):
somebody in his home, in hishome country as well.
So again, if we will just doour job or let ICE do their job
when they come across the border, things like this could
potentially be at least lowered.
I'm not saying we'll never letan illegal person in here again
that's committed a violent crime, but it's lowered.
It's like taking the steps thatwe already have in place.
Let us do the job that we havein place to protect this country

(35:53):
.
And again he's down there.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
This Nimwit is down there Now.
He got told to pound sand bythe El Salvador president.
Yeah, yeah, he did and yeah, hetook a little shot.
But here's the thing he's doing, and this is the interesting
thing about Van Hollen.
What he does is and the greatpart about this approach is that
if it doesn't work you know, ifyour head's in the wood chipper
and it's like scraping off thetop of your head go further in,
Because the further in you go,the more it's going to work.
So Van Hollen comes back andsays, yeah, yeah, this didn't

(36:23):
work.
You know, the El Salvadorangovernment told me to stick it,
but guess what?
El Salvador, we got more on theway for you, so get ready.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
And I won't stop trying, and I can assure the
President, the Vice President,that I may be the first United
States Senator to visit ElSalvador on this issue.
But there will be more andthere will be more members of
Congress coming.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Oh, that's big, it's so outrageous.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
But this goes back to and you see this locally Keller
, mayor, keller.
They'll whine about oh, icedeported 48 people, but they
never identify who these, whothese criminals were.
For a good reason, because thisis their best example and look
who.
He is Right.
But there's a reason they neveridentify who ICE has

(37:12):
deportedorted, like the guy whoinstigated and encouraged the
murder of jada gonzalez inalbuquerque was one of those
deported by ice recently in newmexico.
That keller and them get a runaround and demonize ice and no
reporter sticks a microphone intheir face and say which
criminal illegal immigrant areyou talking about?
That you want back?
You know, and they don't dothat.
And they finally thought theyhad one and now they're seeing.
This is why they don't do it.
This is why the media will notreport it.

(37:34):
And if you look at this case,they spent 64 minutes the
mainstream media on thiswrongful, wrongful um
deportation, zero minutes on therachel warren case.
And to me, if you can reportboth cases, you can say explain
the whole case on the guy thatwas deported to el salvador and
since, and the reason the trumpadministration is pursuing it is

(37:54):
because of cases like this andthat rachel warren verdict was
just the other day right, and soit's timely, but they don't.
They don't connect them and sowhen you it's an 80 20 issue,
it's a 90 10 issue.
But you wonder what are thepeople hearing?
What's the public hearing?

Speaker 3 (38:07):
yeah, but what we found, I think, over time, and
what this election showed us, isthat they are now hearing
things from other sources that'sexactly like this podcast and
things like that.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
People get this information, they talk to their
neighbors, they talk to peopleand I will tell you, like I do
politics and research, it tookme a while to like dig down the
truth, to see exactly whathappened with this guy and these
mainstream media articles,because you go through and it's
just it, most of them, a lot ofthem, won't even say he's an
immigrant, a legal immigrant,and so you think he's a citizen.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
He's a maryland dad he's a maryland dad.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
Hold on, we're getting the maryland dad, don't
steal don't steal my marylanddad, you guys are gonna love
this, you guys are gonna lovethe maryland dad.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
It's so bad, the maryland dad thing.
When you put it, you watch it.
Put together it'll drive youcrazy, but also driving you
crazy.
You guys mentioned the mediaand caroline levitt talked a
little bit about this.
She started getting pressed onit and was sort of like what
world am I living in here?

Speaker 7 (38:58):
abrigo garcia was a foreign terrorist.
He is an ms-13 gang member.
He was engaged in humantrafficking, he illegally came
into our country, and sodeporting him back to El
Salvador was always going to bethe end result.
There is never going to be aworld in which this is an
individual who's going to live apeaceful life in Maryland

(39:19):
because he is a foreignterrorist and a MS-13 gang
member.
Not only have we confirmed that, president Bukele yesterday in
the Oval Office confirmed thatas well.
So he went back to his homecountry, where he will face
consequences for his gangaffiliation and his engagement
in human trafficking.
I'm not sure what is sodifficult about this for

(39:39):
everyone in the media tounderstand, and it's appalling,
truly appalling that there hasbeen so much time covering this
alleged uh human trafficker andthis gang member okay, yeah, no,
she, and she's right because inher righteous indignation is is
indeed righteous, because themedia coverage on this is so

(40:02):
much worse than than even yourealize.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
So I want to play for you something newsbusters did,
which, which Newsbusters putstogether all kinds of good stuff
.
So they went out and just didan AI search on, you know,
maryland man.
Right, if you grab Maryland man?
Because if he's Maryland man,what are you doing?
Deporting a Maryland man?
Right, what are you kidding?
It's like, honestly, midwaythrough, it's like you could
just.
It sounds like Michelin manLike you.

(40:26):
Just here he comes, you couldjust it sounds like Michelin man
Like you.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Just here he comes.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
It's alliteration, I get that, but MS 13 ties in with
Maryland as well, like, if youwant to argue about quibble on
that, they should be he's.
He is an illegal immigrant.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Right, no, no, no.
And so let's, let's listen tothis.
And just this is sodisingenuous.
And again, I guess nothing'schanged.
I mean, we think about theelection.
You think, oh my gosh, ifthings are people finally
starting to realize, will themedia finally realize they have
to serve?

Speaker 6 (40:55):
you know, a broader electorate?
No, it's not that way at all.
Just listen to this.
A hearing today in the case ofa Maryland father mistakenly
sent to that notorious prison inEl Salvador.

Speaker 7 (41:01):
Attorneys for the Maryland man who was mistakenly
deported to a prison in ElSalvador are making another push
for his return today.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
The Trump administration heads to federal
court today after being accusedof wrongfully deporting a
Maryland father to El Salvador.

Speaker 7 (41:14):
The Maryland man deported to El Salvador after an
administrative error.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
There's actually a court hearing involving the
Maryland father.
The Maryland father's case isin court and happening now a
hearing for a Maryland man.

Speaker 6 (41:26):
Details about a Maryland man Tonight the
Maryland man, the Maryland man,maryland, about a Maryland man
Tonight.
The Maryland man, the Marylandman, maryland, father with
protected legal status.
A Maryland father withprotected legal status A.
Maryland father with protectedlegal status.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
He does not have protected legal status that
Maryland father.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
A Maryland father, a Maryland father, a Maryland
father A.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
Maryland father A Maryland father A.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Maryland father.
One of the things that Marylandfather A Maryland father.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
A Maryland father, a Maryland father.
One of the things that struckme was the lawyer for the
Maryland man saying there is nosuch thing as a removal order,
to nowhere.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Jay, it's just outrageous.
I mean it's outrageous and yousee it here too.
You'll see Albuquerque manarrested and they're leaving out
his illegal immigrant.
You know, like I told you aboutthe boy I coached forever
watched his friend die right infront of him, was murdered last
year.
It says you read those articles.
It says Albuquerque man.
It's an illegal immigrant fromCuba.

(42:20):
But they don't say that and soyou see it here and it's just
part of this.
It really is this idea from themedia that they can't tell the
public the truth we can't handleit, we can't handle it for true
, turn everybody into racistsand everything else.
And it's just, it's outrageousbecause you need, because when
the public knows the truth theycan force change and they get.
They demand change and if thepublic knew the truth about a

(42:41):
lot of these, they would demandchange.
It demanded end to sanctuarypolicies, because that's not
even necessarily immigration, asmuch as it is criminal illegals
who are committing crimes.
They would demand that change.
But they don't know that theseare illegal immigrants
committing a lot of these crimesand murders.
They think they're Albuquerqueman or Maryland man and that's
just not true.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
And on top of it, an MS-13 member which was found by
an immigration court twice thathe was a gang member.
So again he was found guilty.
He was told that he was goingto be deported.
He was in a stay situation.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
The only mistake was they said don't send him back to
El Salvador.
But he was never going to stayin the United States and had
again that's what the Bidenadministration not fighting that
order the Trump had they foughtthat he would have ended up in
El Salvador anyway, right there.
Just for all the reasons youmentioned about the gangs gone.
Yeah, it's all BS, and he neverraised any of those claims,

(43:36):
remember, until he got arrestedseven or eight years after he
was in the country.
And he knew that it was his lastditch effort and a lawyer
obviously told him look, you gotto say you feared for your life
.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Yeah, exactly.
It was a last of shepherd.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
But what you're watching here is another
political meltdown andmiscalculation, really, because
remember, and you feel this,when you go to Washington DC it
is a different world than beingin the rest of the United States
.
You, there is a cocoon thereand there's a certain type of
orthodoxy that people just buyinto there.
And so you see this, you seethese media group, these big

(44:10):
media companies, you see peoplearound the Acela corridor who
have no clue, and then theythink that this is something
that the country's like yeah, goget that guy back.
It could be you or yourrelative next.
Most people don't look at MS-13members and think but for the
grace of God there go I.
It's just not true.
And if this ridiculous?

Speaker 4 (44:26):
If they actually let this guy back in the country and
he bought a house right next toyou you would move Like that's
how dangerous apparently thisguy was.
This is what the people aresaying that have actually met
this family.
So you get all these reporterstalking about oh well, he wasn't
dangerous.
I'm sorry If he wasn'tdangerous.
The court system, which againwas a liberal court to decide in
2019, it wasn't the far rightthat was saying get this kid out

(44:48):
of this country or get thisperson out of this country.
It was a left-leaningimmigration court that said this
guy needs to be deported.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
And of all the reasons he's saying were true,
he would have claimed them whenhe came here.
That's not what happened.
He claimed them when ICE pickedhim up when he was sitting
around, hanging around withother MS-13 gang members.
And I'm just wondering likewhat?
What?
Who's the next lucky senatorthat's going to go down to el
salvador?
I can't wait lesson, and I'llgo back to what they've been
doing, which is what they dohere and you'll never identify.
They'll never identify any ofthese criminals who have been

(45:17):
removed for good reason, becausethey don't want the public to
realize who they are right yeah,and this is the exact.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
That's why this is such a bear trap, because
they're walking into a woodchipper, because everybody knows
who the guy is and they're likewait a minute.
You just see how phony thewhole approach is.
It look and again, when youropponent is is diving in and
doing something this stupid, youjust let them do it.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
So that's, that Okay.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
One last story, Christy, I know you'll
appreciate this.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Well, I mean okay.
So Christy now made for TV.
Approach to Homeland security.
That's the headline.
Um, listen, she's very pretty.
Okay, she was a great.
She was a great governor.
I give her that.
But here we go.
Here's a little quote from thestory.
On her first day on the job,noem held a town hall meeting to
introduce herself to theworkforce and came on stage to

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the Trace Atkinson hot mama.
She donned border patrolfatigues, toted a gun and posed
with airplane controls in thecockpit of a Coast Guard plane.
Famed photos of the secretary,including one of her wearing a
cowboy hat on a horseback with aborder agent around her and
another of her on an ATV, havegone up in different offices
around DHS.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Oh, I like this.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
According to photos seen by the Wall Street Journal,
under her watch, the departmenthas allotted $200 million to
air an ad campaign featuringNoam warning immigrants in the
country illegally in English toleave now.
The ad, which aired on nationalnetworks and cable, has cost an
estimated $9 million so far,according to data from Adam Pak

(46:42):
at Ademapak.
Okay, let's just take a look ather picture.
Listen, she's very pretty.
She's on our team, so I don'twant to come off crazy and rude,
but, honest to God, I'm lookingat her going.
She does.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Can you see her right hand?
I mean, that was the problemwith that photo.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Well, because of what the watch.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
No, I mean the way she's holding it.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
The gun pointed at the guy's head.
Did you notice that one?
Yeah, there, well, did younotice that one?

Speaker 5 (47:06):
yeah, there's that okay, there's also like it's
anyway where is her right hand?
It's on the pistol grip but,like her arm, isn't around the
stock, so it looks really weirdokay but I mean this goes back
to we're talking about greg halland the whole.
You got to be authenticauthentic right she looks like
she just looks like talkingabout.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
That's all she looks like ice barbie.
I'm sorry, but she's like.
If you go back to that, she'slike a Barbie doll.
She's got false eyelashes, lotsof makeup.
Her extensions are to a wholenew level.
Hey, listen.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
I want to get in the middle of this mean girl fight.
No, I'm not mean girl.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
I think she's very pretty.
I mean she beats me hands down10 to 9.
I mean 10 to 1, right 10 to 9.

Speaker 5 (47:44):
It's close, it's close, it's very close, it's
close, it's close, it's close,it's close, it's close, it's
close, it's close, it's close,it's close.
I'm sorry, it's not even closeright, it's not even close.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
I wouldn't say that, babe, don't sell yourself short.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Listen, I'm not selling myself short in costume
like an ice agent.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
What are you talking about?
That's not even costume.
She's patrolling the border guy.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Okay, I just feel like it looks staged.
It does look like she's playinga character.
She's a very serious person.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
What are you talking about?
That's not fair.
I mean that's not fair.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
So now she's dressed up as a fire agent.
Okay, great.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
A fire agent.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
I mean, I'm sorry, a firefighter Okay great, so she's
now a firefighter?
No, she's not.
She's driving a boat.
Look at the expression.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
That is not a flattering photo.
I'm not sure you want to be theCoast Guard captain here.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
Okay, so now she's a Coast Guard captain.
It is a little.
Now she's flying a plane.
Okay now, what is she doing nowin this she?

Speaker 3 (48:40):
looks like she has no idea what's happening on the
plane.
Is anybody that she's?

Speaker 4 (48:45):
flying a plane right there, which we don't ever want
to see.
Anyway, no, I'm not ripping ongnome as a governor or as a this
position for her.
I think it's great that she'sout there and helping us shed
some light on it, and maybethat's kind of part of the
marketing campaign is we wanteyeballs on ice and border
patrol, and she's.
She has this added elementcause she's so pretty that she

(49:08):
can kind of add this to it.
But I just think it comes off alittle hollywoodish.
It comes off a little bit likeI'm ice barbie and now I'm now
I'm what?
National guard barbie?
Or I'm flying, I'm a pilotbarbie, I don't know.
I just think if I was her, I'dbe like no, I'm just gonna come
out here, I'm gonna promotethese guys that are doing their
job well.
I don don't need to be on ahorse, I don't need to be in

(49:28):
costume.
I just need to put these guysfront and center, put them out
there for the world to see thatthey're doing their job and
they're doing their job well.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
That's my well, I mean, I'm sure they're arguing
that's what she's trying tohighlight it by showing up.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Yeah, but she's in the day and acting like it was a
weather girl.
I don't know, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
That's not what I do, I still think, and not to get
in on the gnome stuff, but Ireally think the best spokesman
they have on this is Tom Homan.
Oh, yes, and I think when he'sout there-.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
He's straight out of Central Casting, by the way, but
it's authenticity.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
Right, it's real.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
He absolutely believes it.
Think, when he's out he'sfantastic and I don't care he
can, he can stumble over somewords and everything.
Again, he's authentic andthat's why it connects with
people well.
And I think and this is one ofthe things about the trump
administration, about trump ingeneral, trump's, about, you
know, about delivery in somecases, like he likes that
polished delivery.
Now, in some cases you get agreat combination like levitt
does a good job, I, I thinkyou're right.
Homans does a good job, besantdoes.
Besant does a good job.
Right, because they'recompetent.
She's coming off as as less.
You know, she's a little.
It's just too much fluff mixedin and it's and it's exactly

(50:37):
what you're saying, jay you endup with a situation where you
have somebody who doesn't looklike they really belong there.
They look like they're therefor a photo op.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Well it's interesting that when I was a news anchor
back in the day, they alwayswanted one of us news anchors to
go fly with the Blue Angels,right and then so you could get
PR out of it, so the Blue Angelswould get the press you put one
of the news anchor girls.
Did you get in there?
I did not, and I know thatshocks you that I was, because I

(51:06):
would have thrown up all over.
That's gonna bring good pr,it's totally true for the blue
angels so.
But I do remember they hadanother news anchor and she did
it.
She did a great job.
But they put her in the flightsuit and she did.
It was like it was so sticky,it felt sticky you do have to
wear a flight suit.
It's the same thing about thewhatever the jeff bezos, flight
up in the rocket with all thegirls in the fitted astronaut

(51:29):
costumes.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
the other day Again it was a costume.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
It's it's.
I worked in PR for 23 years.
This is PR what Gnome's doingand it's exactly what Jeff Bezos
and his little rocket shipgoing up and down and putting
these chicks in really skinnycostumes.
It's costumes and it feelsinauthentic.
That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
I agree.
The devil's advocate side ofthat is, even if you're sitting
there talking about her andpeople are criticizing her,
they're talking about whatTrump's doing on the border.
Yeah, it's true, and that's thewhole point.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
And she's not on the ballot, you're right, you're
totally right and given, I mean,I appreciate all the work that
she's actually doing, I justthink, me personally, I would
take a different approach if Iwas in that position.
I wouldn't be showing up tryingto pretend I was an ICE agent.
I would come down there.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
I thought Pam Bondi did a great job.
They did a raid last week or acouple weeks ago and she showed
up to it.
She's wearing a hat, kind oflike you would.
Early in the morning.
Kash Patel was there too.
I thought she did a good jobdoing that Right.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, and there is like anything right.
Authenticity, because you havea feel you're like all right,
yeah, get it.
Like a hat works now, I don'tneed to be, I don't need the
bulletproof vest on, I'm notblasting through the front door,
right?
In other words, you put the haton, you may dress a little more
casually, and something likethat but it's just a huge rifle
to her and she's pointing it atthe guy's head.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Now I know that she doesn't mean to do that and I'm
not saying I'm some gun expert,but I know for a fact mark's,
mark's phone's blown up.
I mean, we're trying to wrap itup, guys.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
I'm sorry, I know, I know.
Well, I told my phone to go offif you've talked and used up
all your words, and I thinkeverybody kind of knows that's
where we are.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, All right.
Well, we appreciate you guystuning in no anything else we
want to mention.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Anybody want to drop in before we're done?
We're going to celebrate Easterwith the girls, so we'll see
you back here probably onMonday-ish.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Yeah, we'll put on a show, probably late day Monday,
yeah, that's the next show.
Jay, thanks for joining us andgiving us the background on
campaign financing andfundraising and going in early
and all the words, anypredictions, jen, anything
coming up here.
Are we going to see?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
any surprises.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
No weird surprises here.
I think the whole field in allthese races is pretty unsettled
yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
You think anybody else is getting in the mayor's
race?
That isn't.
Yeah, I think there is.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
I keep hearing the Dem.
Former Dem US Attorney is goingto get in today.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Okay, hold on.
I want to ask you something,because we did a big thing.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
The Dem former US Attorney is getting in today.
That's today or tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Okay, Okay, so one of the big arguments, the fact
that her bringing in theNational Guard would initially
you'd think, oh my gosh, tryingto help out Keller.
I'm sure you have a differentopinion.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Our thought was it's not helpful at all.
I said no way.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
I think it's just highlighting, I mean, his whole
message is crimes down and then,she declares an emergency and
sends him to the National Guard.
Yeah, no way.
And so you know, I think theDemocratic Party is split.
I think there's a lot.
I think the governor and again,this is just my opinion I think
she thinks he's a clown, andyou saw that by how she's put in
the state police and doing thisright on top and they can sit

(54:18):
there and cry all they want.
Oh, we asked for it, theydidn't.
Oh wait, that's such a phonyidea If they're a good reporter,
they'd be ippering all thoseemails for the last three months
of them talking about it andguess what?
They don't exist.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
And guess what?
They will never and they willnever ask the tough question in
this media market, which is sucha shame.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Okay, so again a new candidate for mayor coming in
hot Democratic former USattorney.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
And the more the merrier yeah, I know the more
the merrier, bring them in,bring all of, just so you know
this thing likely goes to arunoff right, so the two highest
vote getters do a runoff sixweeks or so after the initial
election, correct?

Speaker 4 (54:53):
In November.
Okay, all right, all right.
So you guys have a blessedEaster, a happy Passover, and we
will see you back here earlynext week.
Take care.

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