April 30, 2025 • 45 mins
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Hi Friends,
We’re back with a brand-new episode of the No Doubt About It Podcast, and this one pulls no punches. From a shocking new state rule proposal that could devastate New Mexico’s business climate, to viewer mail that needed fact-checking, and even a surprising PR mess involving Bill Belichick’s new 24-year-old girlfriend—we cover it all.
🔥 In This Episode:
🏜️ New Mexico’s “Heat Illness Prevention” Rule Could Hurt Businesses
- The New Mexico Environment Department is pushing a new rule that’s raising serious alarms for business owners.
- The “Heat Illness and Injury Prevention” rule includes burdensome mandates like required cool-down zones, mandatory water intake logs, and recordkeeping for five years—even in businesses where employees mostly work indoors!
- Mark and Krysty break down how this rule is a textbook example of why New Mexico is viewed as a tough place to do business, and how it continues to lose ground to business-friendly neighbors like Texas.
📬 Viewer Mail: Debunking the 'Maryland Man' Defense
- One viewer wrote in to say the so-called “Maryland Man” (currently in a prison in El Salvador) is being denied due process.
- Krysty sets the record straight with facts, timelines, and legal insight that destroy the media narrative.
- We love viewer mail—but we also believe in calling out misinformation when we see it.
🛂 The Latest on Immigration
- As the national debate around immigration continues, we catch you up on the latest headlines, enforcement actions, and media spin.
- Spoiler: there’s still a huge disconnect between what voters want and what the media reports.
🏈 Belichick’s Girlfriend Becomes a PR Headline
- NFL coaching legend Bill Belichick, 72, has made headlines for his relationship with a 24-year-old girlfriend, and the media frenzy is on fire.
- Mark breaks down the PR fallout and why it’s not just about the age gap—but how her presence is raising eyebrows in all the wrong ways.
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Everybody, we do.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's not just Mark, ella, that was a little bit of a
harsh, you know.
You kind of just dipped her waydown.
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Mark loves the music high I do Bring us back up.
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
So you know whatever, yeah, Anyway, Okay, we have
quite an interesting show.
We're coming at you pretty late.
Our daughter had her seniorthesis tonight, so that's taken
up a big chunk of our life forthe last oh I don't know seven
months, but anyway it came to aculmination tonight.
So we were kind of coming atyou late, but we've got an
interesting.
I guess it's a state rulethat's being decided on or it
(01:11):
has been decided on.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, they're trying to implement it, and so we'll
get into the process of howrules work in the state, and
then we'll also get into whatthis rule is which is crazy town
.
Okay, get into what this ruleis which is crazy town.
It is the perfect example ofwhy doing business in New Mexico
is becoming impossible.
And when people talk about justmake it easier to do business,
(01:34):
this rule, this rule right hereis the perfect example of
getting in the way of businessfor no good reason and creating
more hurdles for small businessowners.
Okay, and it's a.
It's a nightmare.
So we'll talk about that.
And then we're also going totalk about some of the
immigration issues.
The economy huge concern.
Numbers came out today.
Are we closer to a recession?
That's the biggest threat toTrump's presidency.
(01:56):
It's very simple.
Whether they address it, thenthey'll.
They'll be in good shape.
They don't.
They got a problem on theirhands.
And then we're going to end theshow with a little Bill
Belichick.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Okay, yeah.
Yes, the former Patriots coach.
The former Patriots coach whichI did like that documentary on
that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I know you did.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I did.
I don't even like the Patriots.
It was a great documentary.
Okay, artesia Bulldogs, let'sexplain this shirt really
quickly.
Well, in southeastern NewMexico, I know you get to go all
through the fun things.
They're going to tour the stateMeanwhile I'm working.
Hold on, I don't get to go.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
We had a very nice lunch and we did have a chance
to kind of look over the Pecos.
It was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Okay, that was great.
That is pretty, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Now I was also down there to look at an old barn
which is cool wood off there andrepurpose it because they're
going to tear down the barn.
Uh, that was.
I mean I was out in the middleof the oil field guy, so this
wasn't me.
I mean, literally there weremore rattlesnakes than there
were people out there.
It was not a good situation toget reclaimed wood.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Sometimes you got to do.
You know you got to putyourself your life a little bit
in danger.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, well, I was hoping one of high school, you
know, T-shirts, sweatshirts,stuff like that, like this is
kind of your thing, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You just have to make sure that somebody, a couple
people, have sent them to you inthe mail, which is so
thoughtful.
But Mark is in Excel, so ifyou're going to send something,
yeah, you don't have to, it'sall right.
(03:31):
Tag guy in a looking for Nancy'sstill looking for an orange
Artesia Bulldog shirt, which Ithink will be super cool.
Yeah, you love orange, so okay,well, let's get right to it,
because this, this whole rule,let's talk really quickly.
When we say there's a rule thatthat a committee has put
together in the state of NewMexico, is it like an executive
order from the government?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know.
So not necessarily.
So.
What rules tend to be is thatyou have either a law or, in
some cases, maybe an executiveorder from the governor that has
to be executed, right, somebodyhas to execute it.
Now, in some cases it'sexecuted just fine.
They put out some rules and itmakes sense.
Some cases, which happens fartoo often in the state, there's
an overreach right and there arerules that are made that put an
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onus on the backs of businessesall over the state and it makes
it impossible to do business.
So what we're about to sharewith you, this very rule which
is up for comment, we believeright now and we think you
should comment on.
Let me tell you it isabsolutely crazy what they're
trying to do.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Okay, explain this.
Okay, let's get right to it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Let's start with it real quickly.
Just on the rules, cause youmentioned it real fast.
Just a quick little littlething here.
This is the rules process onyour right here, so Ellie can go
in just a little bit and we'renot going to spend much time on
this.
But they draft the rule, theypublish the notice so you can
comment on the rule stateenvironment department, the New
Mexico environment departmentand offer up some of your
(04:46):
opinions on this rule, and Ithink you will want to do it.
If you own a business, if youmanage a business and you don't
want massive hurdles to doingbusiness, well then you will
want to push back against this.
They revise it, accept it andsee what happens.
Or sometimes they roll back therule and they do something
different.
It just depends, okay.
(05:06):
So, okay, so you can go do thatthrough the state environment
department if you want to dothat.
But here is the rule.
So, ella, let's show them therule.
It's official.
There it is.
The New Mexico environmentdepartment.
Proposed heat illness andinjury prevention rule.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Okay, so we're assuming this has to do with
we've probably had a big heathealth emergency.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Well, I mean, look, people are regularly dropping
dead just every day walking downthe street from it.
No, I mean, obviously we're ahot state and so you do have to
pay attention to stuff.
People need water, you needstuff like that.
We have a lot of ranchers whowho deal with very warm
temperatures, oil and gas, andand farmers and all those sorts
of people, so it applies to alot of people.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It applies to restaurants.
Construction workers.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Construction workers.
Right, it applied to all ofthem, right?
Okay, so that's what thisapplied to.
So, ella, let's go to clipthree.
And this new rule says,basically, employers shall
conduct a heat exposureassessment.
Okay, when the heat indexthreshold tops 80 degrees 80.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
80.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
The onerous 80 degrees 80, 80, the the the
onerous 80 degrees.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Okay, With no humidity here in the state, by
the way that's a very good point.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So one of the things they talk about in this is they
talk about the temperature andthey also talk about the heat
index a lot.
Now I will just say this Ithink there's not a great deal,
I don't think, of knowledge ofof how heat index works in this
document, because heat index inthe state of New Mexico not as
big a deal, just the straight uptemperature is a big deal,
right, because it's hot, butwhen you have really warm
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temperatures and low humidity,your heat index and your
temperature basically match Okay.
So there's not this big, youknow.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
What we mean is like it says it's 80, but it feels
like it's 95.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Exactly that happens in the southeast right, and what
that means is there's moremoisture in the air.
It's harder to evaporate themoisture off your skin and cool
you down right.
So that's what heat index isreally based on.
So that being set aside, let'sjust forget the heat index.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So it gets to 80.
What do we what?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
do these businesses have to set up?
Okay, the environmentdepartment says they have to set
up a heat illness and injuryprevention rule, right, and
they're going to set this wholething up and as they do it,
they've got control measuresthat go with it.
Okay, and so this, some ofthese control measures are crazy
.
So so, basically, as you startseeing temperatures and they
(07:20):
climb up into the low nineties,there's a few things they have
to do.
So, number one temperatures andthey climb up into the low 90s
there's a few things they haveto do.
So, number one acclimatizationmethods for new or returning
workers.
Okay, get this.
If you regularly work out inconditions that are considered
warm, okay, and say you go up to95 and above and 95 in New
Mexico, most everywhere gets to95 other than the Northern
mountains Okay, you have to.
If you take a job.
(07:41):
You then know, the first dayyou work, you can only work 20%
of your day according to thisrule, and then the next day you
can work another 20%, and thenthe next day you can work
another 20%.
So it is, you'll work 60% ofyour day by day three.
So you have a full week, okay,of working out there where you
can't work the full day.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So you work for, you'll work for whatever like 40
minutes, and then you'll take a20 minute break.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, you'll work.
Well, you could do it that way.
That's, we're getting to that.
Oh, sorry, this is more likeyou're working two hours of an
eight hour day.
Okay, so you can acclimatizeright to the temperature.
Okay, Okay.
And then here's another one.
Let's say this is your job,right?
You've had this job.
You've worked out on an oil rigfor four years.
You go on a vacation If you'regone for seven days or more, not
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seven work days, seven days ormore.
You cannot come right back andwork a full day.
You've got to acclimatize again,so you can work less than a
half a day.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Because you may have gone to Cancun, where it's a
solid 90 with humidity insteadof a beach, and had a pina
colada, but you've got to comeback and get reacclimate,
reclimatized.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right, right.
And so you're seeing this justgoing.
What in the world is going on?
So, really, what this means ispeople who own these businesses
any farmer, rancher or any ofthese people the people you need
to do the work.
You're pulling them out of themix.
You're saying, no, you're goingto, you're going to go by these
rules.
We're going to cost you money,productivity and instead of
saying, hey, you know, let'sjust make sure everybody's got
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the water they need, you know,make sure they can do what they
need to do.
And obviously, if you getoverworked, there are remedies
to this.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You can absolutely file a claim against your
employer, right, but by settingup these rules, you're just
making doing business incrediblydifficult, and I'm just I'm
going back to the same questionI had a couple of minutes ago,
which is has there been somesort of heat injury or heat
health crisis?
That is, is the reason behindthis rule that has been
formulated.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Do we know?
I don't, I don't know that now.
Now maybe there is someepidemic of people, just just
mass there.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Passing out or whatever.
I don't know.
I think that we would haveheard about that from the news,
but who knows?
I would think Ella number six.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So if you're working out in a sunny environment and
the temperature's above 80degrees Fahrenheit guess what
you have to have ready access toshade when the heat index is
above 80 degrees.
Okay, okay, you've got to bejoking me.
Okay, now maybe that's a car.
I guess you could jump intoyour car, whatever, but the heat
index you're sitting theregoing.
Wait a minute, what's the heckis it?
(10:10):
Where do I get the heat indexstuff?
Right, there we go.
You got to do the math on theheat index.
They're like hey you got nine toone degrees times 55% relative
humidity, and then we got.
You got.
You got, guys.
You got a farmer sitting theregoing what the heck is going on,
as I'm looking at the numbers.
So then they tell you, theydirect you to number eight, they
direct you to the NationalWeather Service heat index oh my
(10:31):
gosh.
And so that when you go toohigh, all of a sudden you pull
things back and get this.
One other big thing hey look,you got to have water, which I
can totally understand.
That's absolutely true.
It makes sense to me.
I don't know that we need agovernment you know mandate
rules making, but it makes senseto make sure that everybody has
plenty of water.
But check this out this numberis written in the rule.
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Employees are required toprovide eight ounces of water
every 15 minutes.
You're going to be good luckgetting any work done.
Cause after that they're goingto be in the bathroom.
You're going to be in the can.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You're going to be in the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You're going to be in the can.
You're going to be in the cangoing to the bathroom Eight
ounces every 15 minutes.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I can't even drink eight ounces of water every 15
minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I mean you're lucky if you don't get water poisoning
.
I mean no joke, it's just likeyou're like what is going on?
And of course we mentioned theacclimatization, right, Right.
And it's not only Then.
You're going above certaintemperatures, All of a sudden
you got to ease it in.
And, by the way, your firstweek at the new employee, when
you're a new employee, you haveto be monitored by someone from
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the business constantly to makesure you're not going to.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
you're not going to melt down and they're going to
like what.
Take your temperature, makesure that you're like doing okay
.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, we got to stop really quickly we got's
take every temperature, by theway take Fred's temperature.
He just got back from vacation.
He can only work half a day.
We've got to watch out for him.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
How much water have you had?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
yet Fred have you had eight ounces the past 15
minutes.
Get over there.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Oh my gosh, You're not going to get kids Like hey,
you know, did you do the choresI asked you to do?
Did you clean the dishes up?
Did you clean up your room?
So what I could do, I couldoffer my services.
I could just roll in and belike all right you're the water
neck, I could be the water neck.
I could be like have you hadyour water?
Have you had?
I don't see you have it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
When was your last vacation?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
and how many days have you been back.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You've been working too much.
Sit down.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Was your vacation in a cold environment or a hot
environment?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
We may be able to.
You may have de-acclimatized.
We've got to go back andre-acclimatize you All right.
And then there's cooling areas.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
You've got to provide these cooling areas.
It's called shade, by the way.
Yeah, it is called shade.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So assess shade options for each site.
Okay, oh, okay.
Provide shade options to theair with mechanical ventilation.
Locate shade close to workingareas.
Ensure shade accommodates anumber of employees.
I mean, remember you're arancher.
You're like, well, God darn it,I don't have a tree around here
, and what are you going to do?
Put one in.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well no, you're going to have to have somebody that
brings a tent along with youwherever you are to set up the
tent for the day.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, but about the tent, right?
Yeah, you provide the tent.
In the rule it says there hasto be enough space underneath
the tent for every one of youremployees to sit under there at
the same time in a sittingupright position.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
It says that.
It says that oh my gosh, it'scrazy, crazy, helicopter
government control, out ofcontrol, out of control, it's
out of control.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
By the way, you've got to start these records and
you have to keep them for fiveyears.
Keep those records.
So again, every one of thesethings I'm mentioning, any
business owner is looking goingoh my Lord in heaven, how are we
going to pull?
this off but this isn't theworst part.
It gets worse.
Okay, so this is a graph or achart of sorts, and I turned it
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into a graph.
But here's a chart of sorts,and else we'll go to the one
before this.
Okay, and what we'll do?
Ella, just go to about 100degrees, okay, so it gets to
about 100 degrees.
Okay, now what this shows you.
This is the part that's totallybonkers.
What is?
You slide on over and you seethe three different columns.
Okay, those are light work,medium work and and and
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strenuous work.
Okay, so if it's a hundreddegrees outside, you're required
to work on, let's say, moderatework.
You work for 45 minutes.
You're then required to take a15 minute break.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay, all right.
And then if you're doingstrenuous work at a hundred
degrees and we're basicallygoing to break this thing out,
you do 30 minutes of work, youtake a 30-minute break Holy cow
you just take a 30-minute break.
We're done.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Because, it's 100.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
No, no no, but we're at 105.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Wait, if you're at a car wash, that's technically a
job outside.
Does it count?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know, I believe a car wash does count.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Because you're outside.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's not on this.
If you're outside, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
So you're obviously working the car wash, because
people like to get their carclean when it's nice outside.
Yeah Right.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But the car wash?
Would that be strenuous.
So my argument would be theywould say to you, car wash would
be light work and so it wouldbe normal still.
But I will tell you this, butthat's just the point, right,
christy?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
The point is exactly what you said, which is oh, what
about this, what about this?
This eats up time of everybusiness owner.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You got the guy that's standing outside at
Chick-fil-A to get your order.
He's technically outside, noquestion.
Does this count for him?
That's not strenuous, it's onthe list, but again, it's.
Every business in the state hasto ask this question.
It's a total waste of time.
Okay, but I want to go to 105,because 105 in the summer in
Carlsbad, artesia, roswell,hobbs, you name it, clovis
Portales that happens all thetime.
Okay, all right, you go to 105.
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And if you're doing evenmoderate work, you're spending
35 minutes.
Ella, just slide back up so wecan see a little bit.
You're spending 35 minutesresting, 25 minutes working, and
take a look at 105.
You're spending 15 minutesworking and 45 minutes resting,
25 minutes working, and take alook at one.
Oh, five, you're spending 15minutes working and 45 minutes
resting on.
Believable, I mean, you want itand so.
So here's the graph, ella,right, so then we go to the
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graph.
The next one, yeah, so then wego to the graph and basically,
from about 101 on, you'respending more time resting,
resting than you are working.
That's what I did with this.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And then these employers are going to pay these
employees to rest in the shadewith their water.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, unbelievable.
And again, I'm for water, I'm,I'm for water, I'm for not dying
on the work site, okay, but I'malso for allowing businesses to
operate in a way that doesn'tdestroy their ability to to
absolutely conduct business.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And again, and if there's not some sort of heat
crisis, health crisis that we'veheard of, which we still have
not heard of that.
So if that's going on, pleaseenlighten us.
No, we will Because we have notheard about that.
But if there's people droppinglike flies out there, then you.
Obviously there is a cause forthat, just like a certain amount
of hours you have to work everyday for labor laws, right?
(16:44):
That's understandable, thatmakes perfect sense.
But this seems overmanaged, andit seems like I mean even the
people that have these jobswould be like.
I'm here to get my work done sothat I can leave and go home
Like I don't need to sit downevery 15 minutes.
I'm used to working in thesetemperatures.
I've been doing this job forfive years.
I know what I, you know what Ihave a little rag I put on my
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neck.
I have a hat that covers thesun.
I'm well equipped for this.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I've got a thermos with water in it.
Heat index heat index that'sall I have to say to you, Just
heat index.
Oh, by the way in case you'relook, I you can't help but
believe in in watching this andlooking at it.
This is aimed at ranchers andoil and gas in Southeast Mexico,
and so I figured we'd.
Let's just take the most,probably the most important oil
and gas town, Hobbs being oneand Carlsbad being the other.
Okay, let's take some weatherfrom Carlsbad.
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Okay, On average, in Carlsbadyou go a hundred or over 35
times a year.
That's, on average, most years,what you're.
Split it right.
So most half the years you'llbe over that, Right, and, by the
way, Okay.
So you want to talk aboutcrippling a business?
You will cripple a business Ifyou take this environment
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department proposal, put it intoaction and you will absolutely
just be killing those industries.
So contact the New Mexicoenvironment department.
You can go on their website andpush back on this.
It's the proposed heat illnessand injury prevention rule.
It's unreal.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But if you say again where's the website that people
can go to?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The New Mexico Environment Department.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Okay, all right, I just want to make sure you said
it really fast.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The New Mexico Environment Department.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, so make sure people can make a comment on it.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But just this, just one more thing.
This is just.
We talk about it all the timeand it is, if matters, because
so many good people have leftthis state, because they're
incredibly frustrated that theycan't do business.
And this is the perfect example, and it's the classic
(18:42):
well-intentioned,well-thought-out overreach and
it is over the top.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It sounds like people have nothing better to do with
their time on this committee orwhatever.
This is this group.
They're like, hey, let's cookup something that we can talk
about and make it we'll make anew rule.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
They think about how many different and, believe me,
in different businesses thatwe're in we have to jump through
.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I mean some of them.
There's a ton of hoops justreally hard.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And so you're never going to get ahead, you're never
going to provide a state wherepeople can truly benefit from so
many blessings that we have inthe state of New Mexico we don't
benefit from, and so many goodpeople have said I'm done, I'm
done with you and all your, allyour rules and all your red tape
.
I'm gone.
And we look now and we're lastin education, we're first in
(19:27):
violent crime, and we look atall of this and say we have to
do better than this.
And so the reason I broughtthis up is some weird rules
thing out of nowhere.
And you say well, you know whywould he bring this and why
would he talk about this?
It is the perfect example ofwhat happens in the state.
Far too often, yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yep, okay, so we'll keep you posted though.
So as this goes to light, we'llfind out more information and
keep you guys up to date on whatends up transpiring.
So let's talk a little bitabout this Milwaukee judge that
we talked about in the lastepisode, judge Dugan.
Yes, okay, now she's the onethat Hannah Duggs, yeah
apparently, you know just, it'snot even alleged she's been
(20:03):
arrested for-.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
She's been arrested, but the crime is still alleged.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Okay, whatever, that's like my old news days.
We had to say alleged 15 timesin every story, but anyway she
is alleged for taking a legalmigrant, somebody here legally
that was up for abusive chargeslike physical abusing of his
girlfriend, beating up aroommate, beating up a third guy
.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Eduardo Flores Ruiz.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And ICE is there waiting to take over this case
when he is found guilty.
Ice is there waiting to takeover this case when he is found
guilty.
The judge, instead of basicallyjust finds out that Ice is
there, does a little bit of a.
I don't know what she's doing,but she basically takes this guy
and his attorney out a backdoor, Right Okay.
And then they catch him shortlythereafter.
(20:48):
They end up arresting thisjudge.
Yep, People are all mad thatthis judge is being made, you
know.
You know, why would we makethis such public, a public
arrest of this judge?
Well, gee, I don't know, Maybebecause you didn't.
you know, keep the law and orderthat you're supposed to because
you're a judge and then now wehave this, this brand new piece
of information, that basicallyshe's been temporarily relieved
(21:10):
of her duties as a judge RightDays after temporarily relieved
of her duties as a judge daysafter this FBI arrest.
Thank God that happened.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, and we'll see what ends up happening.
And if again it turns out noneof this happened, then she will
be reinstated, I'm sure.
But she's in trouble Likethere's no doubt.
I think there's a very goodchance she ends up in jail for
what she did and again, I'veheard like she could be in jail
for up to 15 years.
It's crazy when a judge, sheshould be paraded.
Remember, if one of us does oneof these crimes that is high
(21:37):
profile like this, we getparaded, right.
I mean, we even had a guestcomment on that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
that said well, what I do?
If I, if I help somebody evadethe criminal system, or if I
helped, you know, hide acriminal, what would happen to
me?
Right?
And so I don't know why thisjudge thinks she's above the law
, but it's, you know, peopleturning this into a hey, I hate
Trump.
And then, therefore, this judgehas every power to do whatever
she wants.
Doesn't line up.
I don't care what you thinkabout the president.
This is.
(22:02):
This woman broke the law, Right.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And it's this story, and the one you're about to get
to, that that, by the way, a lotof the congressional leadership
in DC now has said get off ofthis, get off of these issues.
Oh, because they're like theydon't help.
But when and I think it wasAkeem Jeffries, you know, the
minority leader in the housesaid stop going to El Salvador.
Like this is not a good lookfor us, stop doing it.
(22:28):
And so that's what they'rebacking off on.
But obviously that El Salvadorstory continues to be a big deal
.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah.
So we get an email and I'm notgoing to say her last name, but
her first name was Nancy, andthis is what she said People are
defending the man in prison inEl Salvador without due process.
As our constitution states,everyone on American soil is
entitled to due process in court.
If you're against due process,then we will eventually lose all
of our rights and be livingunder a Nazi regime.
I rights and be living under aNazi regime.
(22:55):
I mean, I'm sorry I'm teachingfallacies in my class right now.
This is a classic slipperyslope fallacy, but anyway,
regardless, that's not what Iwant.
Is it what you want?
That is why people are standingup against lack of due process
and rule of law.
I believe in rule of law, doyou?
Okay?
So I had to bring this up Firstof all.
Do we want to go into the BillMalugian thing, or do you want
me to discuss?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You can do your thing first, and then I can mention
the stellar things that continueto come out about Kilmar Obrego
Garcia.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Okay, yeah, cause let's be honest here.
So, basically, just so you guysknow, you do get a court case
handed to you, or if you sign uplike, let's say, you cross the
border and you claim asylum,when you come across the border,
then you're given a court dateand that's where you go to plead
for asylum.
Okay, that's what happens.
This guy, abrego Garcia, did notdo that.
(23:39):
He came across into the UnitedStates illegally and didn't
claim asylum for several yearsuntil he was actually arrested
in 2019 for gang activity.
So he had two court cases, sohe went before two judges two
different court cases in 2019,where he was found here
illegally and in heavy ganginvolvement.
(24:00):
So he was set to be deportedback to El Salvador or to
another country.
He's from El Salvador, he isnot an American citizen, and so
I think there's some, like youknow, they call him Maryland man
and people think, oh, he's anAmerican, he's not an American.
I also think that we have areal misunderstanding of
immigration law, of who isallowed to have a court
proceeding or due process.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Well, he also was.
He went through and there's anadjudication order to remove him
from the country.
So that's the due process.
Yeah, that was his due You'redone.
He had it done twice.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
So he basically had to stay because they were trying
to sort out where they weregoing to send him back Because
of the ninth hour.
His attorney said you can'tsend him back to his home
country of El Salvador for fearof him getting hurt or whatever.
And then basically El Salvadorhas cleaned up a lot of that
activity under their new leaderand so it's a safer environment
for him to come back to.
So he would have been deportedto El Salvador anyway.
So I kind of have explained toNancy in an email back even if
(25:00):
you brought this guy back okaywhich makes no sense to do that
he would go immediately into thecustody of ICE.
Ice would say he's set to bedeported.
He's here illegally.
He's beat up his girlfriend orwife I don't know if they're
married or not, but he's hiswife so he's beat her up
multiple times.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Hey, don't steal my thunder.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh, sorry, Okay, but he would he.
Then he would just be sentright back to El Salvador,
because now that state has beenremoved.
So I guess I just I'm likesitting here going.
Of course we believe in therule of law, but let's not fool
ourselves that you're not anAmerican citizen If you're here
illegally and you crossedillegally and you didn't even
say I'm here for asylum, to geta court case.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, well, you know, my thought thought on this is
simply that if we're fightingabout this and you're in the
democratic party, this is not afight you want.
If you're just not a fight youwant, and the reason why is
because every 20 minutessomething new comes out.
So clip 19,.
Bill Mellugian comes out withthis.
We already know that this guyhis wife, has already written
official complaints to thepolice that he beats the heck
(25:56):
out of her Right.
Okay, we've got another one nowfrom her.
A second one.
Fox news has obtained a secondprotective order filed against
Maryland manned, kilmar ObregoGarcia, by his wife in 2020, in
which she accuses him ofphysical abuse, threatening her
and says she has a recordingwhere he says even if he kills
her, nobody can do anything tohim.
(26:17):
So if you think this guy doesn'trealize that he's taking
advantage of our system.
He clearly, clearly does.
This was a year before shefiled another protective order
against him in which she accusedhim of being a repeat wife
beater and said he had.
She has videos of him involvedin violence and claims and said
he had.
She has videos him involved inviolence and claims that she is
afraid to be around him.
(26:38):
So let's break down the laundrylist of the maryland man the
maryland man.
Okay, he's a salvadoran illegalalien.
Came in here illegally.
Alleged ms-13 gang memberreaffirmed in an immigration
court by a judge.
Nancy, yeah, that's how thatworks.
That's called due process.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And, by the way, it wasn't a Republican judge, just
for the record.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Whatever Either way.
Yeah, I love it, though.
Accused of being a repeat wifebeater, domestic abuser of his
own wife multiple times, andhe's suspected of human
trafficking in Tennessee, whiledriving convicted human
traffickers vehicle with eightpeople and no luggage from Texas
to Maryland the Maryland man.
And, by the way, in case you'recurious, did she really write
(27:22):
this?
Did she really write a policecomplaint?
This is that police complaintand it's available online.
You can check it out yourself.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
So, again, this sort of thing ridiculous, but you
know, we'll see how it how itwill be interesting to see if
they actually start to back offof these ridiculous issues,
right, Instead of defending thepeople that are, you know, that
have had to bury their daughtersbecause they've been murdered
and raped from people hereillegally.
You know, this woman could haveeasily lost her life to this
man, very easily.
(27:51):
You know he's beating her up.
He's beating her up, she'strying to get him away from her
and now I'm sure she's likehallelujah that he's, that he's
away from her, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And I think if you're talking the raw politics of
this, it's just a horrible placeto be now.
Where, where's the right placeto be?
If you are sitting in the hallsof Congress and you're a
Democratic power broker, youshould be only talking about one
issue.
You shouldn't be going anddefending a Brago Garce.
It's ridiculous.
(28:21):
It just shows how lost they are.
But this, this is a problem.
So Trump comes out today andagain it looks we've started to
see our economy contract alittle bit right.
Will it lead to a recession?
We don't know, but it turns out.
I don't know if you rememberback to the Biden administration
.
When you have a contractingeconomy, that's not necessarily
a recession.
I don't know if you rememberthat.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Remember that yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
They're like oh, I don't know, but anyway, here's
what Trump says.
And again, I think they betterget this figured out, because
this line won't work.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
This is Biden's stock market, not Trump's.
I didn't take over untilJanuary 20th.
Tariffs will soon start kickingin and companies are starting
to move into the USA in recordnumbers.
Our country will boom, but wehave to get rid of the Biden
overhang.
This will take a while.
It has nothing to do withtariffs, only that he left us
with bad numbers.
But when the boom begins itwill be like no other.
Be patient, Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Okay Well, it will be like no other.
Be patient, okay.
Okay Well, people will try tobe patient.
But there is some.
I'm just looking up becausethere are some developing.
There's some developing newsright now on what we're about to
talk about, okay, and that'sthe Chinese tariffs.
But yeah, I mean, look, I thinkyou've got to settle things
down, I think, and you have tomove forward.
They have to get a tax cutpassed.
They, I think, and you have tomove forward, they have to get a
(29:33):
tax cut pass.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
They've got to.
They got to look the beautifulbill I think is supposed to be
up around July 4th yeah.
Right so they do need to seelike where is that headed?
I know they were going to do itby Memorial day.
That's been pushed now untilJuly 4th.
So we'll be interested to seewhat the big beautiful bill tax
cuts actually include.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, and again, all of this can be what can pivot
quite quickly and to be somepositive stuff for the president
.
But but to me it's like this isvery clear what's going on here
, and that is that you got tofigure this part out.
The reason people reelectedDonald Trump is because he did a
better job with the economy.
I mean, he just did Right, soso this is important to figure
it out.
But again he's he's trying toserve two masters Right, the
(30:09):
long term reset versus a shortterm.
Keep the long-term reset versusa short-term.
Keep prices down.
Don't go into recession, right?
So we are starting to see someeffects of what's happening with
the tariffs, and some of thedetails from China are
interesting.
China exports orders plunge,hit by Trump's trade war, so the
amount of stuff being pulledout of China, in other words,
(30:31):
being exported from China, isgoing down quickly.
In fact, it says China'seconomy showed its first big
signs of damage from the tradewar as steep US tariffs pummeled
the export orders andproduction at the country's
factories.
A gauge of new export ordersfell in April to its lowest
reading since COVID-19 wasravaging the country in 2022,
while overall manufacturingactivity in China was the
(30:53):
weakest in more than a year,according to surveys published
Wednesday by China's NationalBureau of Labor or of statistics
.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Rather Right, but will this result in the Chinese
moving a bit, or are they goingto?
Are they going to basicallycall Trump's bluff, like that's
kind of the question, now thatpeople are kind of asking about
this.
So this is the sharp pullbackshow Trump's eye watering.
Tariffs on Chinese imports arestarting to squeeze the engine
room of China's economy, pilingpressure on Beijing to boost its
stimulus efforts to shore upgrowth.
(31:21):
It also adds to pressure onleader John Ping to reach a deal
Xi Jinping, xi Jinping.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I know the XI.
I don't get the XI, I knew itwas going to.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It was going to be in there too.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I knew it was going to be in there too.
Chairman Xi, yeah, I know I'msorry.
Sorry, keep going.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
To reach a deal on trade with President Trump,
though for now, the clearmessage from Beijing is one of
resolute defiance and the teethof what is described as US
bullying.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Right, Because no one loves a good graph more than me
.
Just a quick little graph herewhich shows what's happening in
that blue line is new exportorders.
And happening in that blue lineis new export orders.
And look what's happening tothem.
They are plunging.
This is the bet that Besson andTrump have made that China
needs us more than we need themwhen it comes to this.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Well, I mean, I hope this is true, because I don't
know, you know people.
We really do need these deals.
I mean, Trump got up to givehis hundred day kind of
announcements of what he feelslike he's done.
Well, he is saying that there'sall these countries that are
coming to the US now to workthese trade negotiations.
So what we need to do,hopefully we start to see some
results from that soon, andhopefully China happens to be
(32:25):
one of them, because that'sreally the biggest one that we
need this deal renegotiated with.
So we'll keep our eyes on this,as you will.
I'm yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And there's some indication we're getting now
that China may be pulling backon some of their tariffs on
energy to try it as an olivebranch.
I don't know if that's true,but that it's just coming out,
so we'll see if that's the case.
Yeah, if they are backing downthat, that could be helpful to
start to open things up.
We'll see.
I mean, really, people haven'tbeen pinched heavily yet by
tariffs anyway, so if we canwork out a deal, that that would
(32:53):
be helpful.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We've got to end with this last story, all right, so
I'm going to let you.
I mean, all I know about BillBelichick is from what I watched
on the.
What is it?
The dynasty, the dynasty Kings?
Is that what it's called?
The dynasty?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
the dynasty Kings.
Yes, no, no, dynasty, you'retrying to mix Tulsa Kings and
the dynasty.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Oh yeah, I was trying to mix two shows there, Okay
sorry so Sylvester Stallone isnot involved.
He's not involved.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
But if you're looking for an interesting documentary
you've said this before it's onApple.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
TV.
Oh yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
And it was.
I don't even.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I'm not even a Patriots fan and it was
fascinating.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I mean, it was you call it the December to January.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh, the May-December.
This is beyond that.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I mean that's what I was going to say it's like we
need a couple of new months whenyou've got a.
What's the age gap?
He's 72.
She's 24.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, I think he may be 73 now.
Oh, is he 73?
He may be Something like, yeah,50.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Let's just say he is a season or two older than her.
Okay, she's 24.
I'd kill you if you were datinga 24 year old.
I would be like are you kiddingme?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Our own daughters would kill me Cause they'd be
like that girl was in eighthgrade when I was a first grader.
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, it's awful, super weird.
It's awful, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
So of gets interesting.
I look I'm not going to getinto the whole.
You know why Belichick isdating a 24 year old.
I mean, obviously everybody hastheir own like snicker about
that, right.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, that's one way of putting it, but yes, Okay,
but.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
But what I don't understand is something else
entirely here.
I think it's something weirdthat you've gone from somebody
who is the most well thought of,respected coach in the history
of football I really do thinkthat he won six Super Bowls.
I mean, yeah, that's thedynasty right and he is an
incredible coach and he'ssomebody who doesn't suffer
(34:43):
fools for a second Right, and sonow he's gone and taken a job
at the university of NorthCarolina kind of a weird move,
especially for him.
I just thought it was odd.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Maybe he still wants to coach but doesn't want the
pressure of professionalfootball.
I totally understand.
But there's a million other.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
no, I get it, but there's a million other college
programs that are better thanUNC that he could have gone to.
But I still don't totallyunderstand it.
But that's fine.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It sounds a little bit like a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Well, no, this is what's weird about what she does
.
So this is a classic example ofyou have a 73 year old man who
apparently is is taking a lot ofadvice, at the very least, from
someone who's 24 and has noidea what she's doing.
Okay, and she's got, she'sgetting him into the territory
of you know kind of it's.
(35:28):
He's starting to look reallyfoolish for somebody who is
incredibly accomplished.
Okay, so I want you to listento this interview from CBS this
morning.
Tony DeCoppo does thisinterview with him.
This was not a series of toughquestions, it just wasn't OK.
It was not difficult, ok, butwhat ends up happening here is
(35:49):
you'll see how she starts toinsert herself in the interview.
Let me tell you something I'vedone plenty of TV interviews,
not like Bill Belichick, right,and you've been standing there
for some of them.
If you jumped in during a TVinterview I was doing, it would
happen one time, and then youand I would have had an animated
(36:09):
discussion about it.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Oh, and I can back this up.
I won't go into grave detail,but we were at an event once,
yeah, and I felt like you hadanswered the question a couple
of times.
It was still coming from thesame person, right, and so I did
think I could add some color toit, because I kind of came in
from a female perspective.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Right, right right.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
And we had a very strong discussion when that
whole event was over and yousaid, listen, I appreciate what
you did, I don't need you toanswer for me, yeah, and I was
like, well done, okay, that'scool, I totally respect that.
I thought I was helping and Irecognized afterwards that I was
like, oh I, much moreproductive than this.
Is what you're going to see,okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So I don't want to put those two in the same
category.
Because you were like, hey,here's one thing to think.
And even after that I was likeshoot, we don't do that.
You're like ew, I've got this,I've got this, we're fine, I
(37:12):
don't care if I fall on thesword and bleed out in front of
you, I don't need you steppingin, right, all right.
So this takes us to BillBelichick, right, and so just
listen to how DeCoppo kind ofthis is him kind of explaining
the interview they had, and thensome clips of the actual
interview.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
The other change for Belichick is 24 year old Jordan
Hudson, his creative muse.
As he writes in his book,Jordan was a constant presence
during our interview.
You have Jordan right overthere.
Everybody in the world seems tobe following this relationship.
They've got an opinion aboutyour private life.
(37:42):
It's got nothing to do withthem, but they're invested in it
.
How do you deal with that?
I've never been too worriedabout what everybody else thinks
.
Just try to do what I feel likeis best for me and what's right
.
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Not talking about this.
Okay, stop right there.
No, she steps in and says we'renot talking about this.
Who the heck are you?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Who are you Like?
That's the hardest questionhe's ever had to answer.
I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I'm not sure, by the way it is out there, they met on
a flight in 2021 to Palm beach.
Like it's everybody's talkedabout it.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Everybody knows how they met.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Everybody knows.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It is not new and, by the way, he's all.
I did the math he's almost 50years older than her.
It's like right now someonebeing born, that we're going to
date and you're going to dateafter I'm in the ground.
Yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
No, I'm not.
I promise you.
I promise you.
So, right there, we'll get backto this.
Else We'll go back slightly onthat clip.
All right, but you listen toher tone and be like who do you
think you are?
Like, literally, you graduatedfrom college last year, you have
a softball question to thegreatest football coach in the
history of football and youthink you need to step in champ
(38:49):
like who are you?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
all right, let's keep going, not talking about this
no, no, it's a topic neither oneof them is comfortable
commenting on, though hudson hasrecently posted about it on
instagram.
You join insta face as it.
I love that there's some greatpictures of you in Jordan, where
you're a fisherman.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
He's being so nice.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
It's charming.
It's a different side of you.
What's the reaction been like?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Stop, stop, right there.
He has no idea what he'stalking about, because he hasn't
seen these posts.
Because he hasn't seen the post.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, because he's done it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
He took the pictures.
Yeah, he was there, he didn't.
He didn't know.
Yeah, he's like, what are youtalking about?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
If you think that he's on Instagram, I'm sorry, no
no, I totally understand.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
There's one thing about not being on Instagram.
There's something elsecompletely with a guy who never
misses a detail, having no cluewhat you're talking about.
Now, let's go back slightly andkeep going.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Ben like to have these different sort of photos.
Ben, like To have thesedifferent sort of photos.
There's another one whereyou're doing I know you're not
into meditation or yoga orPilates You're balancing Jordan
on your feet and she's doingkind of the Titanic pose.
Yeah, so I'm on some of thosesocial media platforms but I
(40:04):
honestly don't follow them.
What he does follow isn'tclicks or views, but touchdowns
and, above all, wins.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Okay, All right.
So here's the thing.
Now this has blown up, okay,and that's why this girl is so
in over her skis Because of theway she handled herself and has
no clue what she's doing.
She has created now acontroversy and all of a sudden,
this thing's starting to gainmomentum.
So here we go.
(40:34):
Belichick today issues astatement through the University
of North Carolina and basicallysays in the statement we agreed
what we're going to talk about.
And he started to get realpersonal with stuff.
You watched Tony DiCoppo there.
I mean incredibly respectfulRight Super softballs and all of
(40:54):
the sudden you know CoachBelichick's having to go out and
explain.
You know Jordan's, and he saysin the statement he has a
personal and professionalrelationship with her.
What professionally is shedoing?
I mean, I get it If you wanther to be your PR person,
whatever, but this is she's soover her skis.
It's ridiculous.
So because he comes out withthis statement going after CBS,
(41:17):
cbs comes after him and here'swhat they said.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
So when we agreed to speak with Mr Belichick, it was
for a wide ranging interview.
There were no preconditions orlimitations to this conversation
.
This was confirmed repeatedlywith his publisher before the
interview took place and afterit was completed.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Okay you.
Just somebody who is this agewalking in and thinking she owns
the joint is unbelievablygalling, I mean as you watch it.
Okay, so my job.
When I left news, when I firstleft news, I went into media
consulting and I worked for a.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
You watch it, Okay.
So my job when I left news,when I first left news, I went
into media consulting and Iworked for a big firm in Los
Angeles.
My job was to take big CEOs totheir interviews.
I traveled with them all aroundthe country.
We went on the today show.
We went to 60 minutes.
We would talk to red herring.
We would do all these differentinterviews.
It was my job to prep theclient and make sure that client
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knew what was getting ready toget asked to him.
I would only intercede if theywere like going to ask like a
major no-no question, likefinance or something like that.
That would have been reallytricky and I never would have
interrupted it.
I would have given a sign tothe CEO, to me, because he needs
to be able to manage it on hisown Right and I'm sorry, Bill
Belichick can handle anything onhis own.
(42:28):
If you watch dynasty, they askhim questions right to the
camera and he says I'm not goingto talk about that.
He has no problem saying I'mnot going to discuss that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
He was in.
Yeah, I've never seen him moreuncomfortable than he was in
that interview.
And you're right You're exactlyright to do media prep.
This girl has no experience inmedia.
What are you talking about?
Literally, you were on thecheerleading team a year ago she
was.
I'm not just saying that likeshe was on the show.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
She doesn't know.
No, she has no idea, and youwould just never interrupt a
television interview.
Anyway you would.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
it just is not a question on where did you meet,
which is already out in thepublic sphere.
It's crazy and I just I don'tunderstand what he's doing.
And you're starting to hearmore and more people start to
talk around him.
Again, it's all unsourced.
At this point, just to saywe're concerned.
We're concerned that he's goingdown a road with somebody that
that no clue like what's goingon.
So I this is just over the topand so I wanted to bring it up
(43:21):
just because, because of whatshe did and because she handled
herself emotionally in a waythat was that was over the top
in that, for for that givensituation, you have to be super
careful.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Oh, of course, Now it's a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, now it's a nightmare, and he, and he too, I
think, just sort of looked likehe was clueless.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
you know doddering guy sitting there going, I don't
know what me, not know whatthis stuff is, you know you're
like what maybe I should justput a plug out there and just
tell Mr Belichick if he actuallyneeds real PR consultant, he
can give me a buzz, I mean firstof all a you're way too old for
him.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
And then B.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
I am way too young.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I agree with you, but not no, that's exactly my point
.
Where's the 50 year old chickthat Belichick should?
Be hanging out with you knowtoo young.
I'm sorry, it's still too youngyeah.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I don't know, I mean, that's just what I'm saying,
but anyway, okay, we'll note toeverybody out there.
Be careful, who you I guess.
We'll record that and keep thatin memory for you when.
I'm six feet under you.
Be careful about it.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
We'll see.
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Okay, well, thanks for joining us and we will see
you guys back here later on thisweek.
Take care.
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And now your hosts.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Christy and Mark Runcate Wildfire.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
And we do have Ella tonight.
Everybody, we do.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's not just Mark, ella, that was a little bit of a
harsh, you know.
You kind of just dipped her waydown.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Mark loves the music high I do Bring us back up.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Let's go back up.
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I mean there's people that comment that our music's
too loud at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh, sorry about that.
Yeah, I do love it.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We can't hear your voices when the music is so loud
.
So okay, but just trust thatwe're going to turn the music
down.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's only going to last you about 20 seconds.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So you know whatever, yeah, Anyway, Okay, we have
quite an interesting show.
We're coming at you pretty late.
Our daughter had her seniorthesis tonight, so that's taken
up a big chunk of our life forthe last oh I don't know seven
months, but anyway it came to aculmination tonight.
So we were kind of coming atyou late, but we've got an
interesting.
I guess it's a state rulethat's being decided on or it
(01:11):
has been decided on.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Well, they're trying to implement it, and so we'll
get into the process of howrules work in the state, and
then we'll also get into whatthis rule is which is crazy town
.
Okay, get into what this ruleis which is crazy town.
It is the perfect example ofwhy doing business in New Mexico
is becoming impossible.
And when people talk about justmake it easier to do business,
(01:34):
this rule, this rule right hereis the perfect example of
getting in the way of businessfor no good reason and creating
more hurdles for small businessowners.
Okay, and it's a.
It's a nightmare.
So we'll talk about that.
And then we're also going totalk about some of the
immigration issues.
The economy huge concern.
Numbers came out today.
Are we closer to a recession?
That's the biggest threat toTrump's presidency.
(01:56):
It's very simple.
Whether they address it, thenthey'll.
They'll be in good shape.
They don't.
They got a problem on theirhands.
And then we're going to end theshow with a little Bill
Belichick.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Okay, yeah.
Yes, the former Patriots coach.
The former Patriots coach whichI did like that documentary on
that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I know you did.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I did.
I don't even like the Patriots.
It was a great documentary.
Okay, artesia Bulldogs, let'sexplain this shirt really
quickly.
Well, in southeastern NewMexico, I know you get to go all
through the fun things.
They're going to tour the stateMeanwhile I'm working.
Hold on, I don't get to go.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
We had a very nice lunch and we did have a chance
to kind of look over the Pecos.
It was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Okay, that was great.
That is pretty, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Now I was also down there to look at an old barn
which is cool wood off there andrepurpose it because they're
going to tear down the barn.
Uh, that was.
I mean I was out in the middleof the oil field guy, so this
wasn't me.
I mean, literally there weremore rattlesnakes than there
were people out there.
It was not a good situation toget reclaimed wood.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Sometimes you got to do.
You know you got to putyourself your life a little bit
in danger.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, well, I was hoping one of high school, you
know, T-shirts, sweatshirts,stuff like that, like this is
kind of your thing, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You just have to make sure that somebody, a couple
people, have sent them to you inthe mail, which is so
thoughtful.
But Mark is in Excel, so ifyou're going to send something,
yeah, you don't have to, it'sall right.
(03:31):
Tag guy in a looking for Nancy'sstill looking for an orange
Artesia Bulldog shirt, which Ithink will be super cool.
Yeah, you love orange, so okay,well, let's get right to it,
because this, this whole rule,let's talk really quickly.
When we say there's a rule thatthat a committee has put
together in the state of NewMexico, is it like an executive
order from the government?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know.
So not necessarily.
So.
What rules tend to be is thatyou have either a law or, in
some cases, maybe an executiveorder from the governor that has
to be executed, right, somebodyhas to execute it.
Now, in some cases it'sexecuted just fine.
They put out some rules and itmakes sense.
Some cases, which happens fartoo often in the state, there's
an overreach right and there arerules that are made that put an
(04:06):
onus on the backs of businessesall over the state and it makes
it impossible to do business.
So what we're about to sharewith you, this very rule which
is up for comment, we believeright now and we think you
should comment on.
Let me tell you it isabsolutely crazy what they're
trying to do.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Okay, explain this.
Okay, let's get right to it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Let's start with it real quickly.
Just on the rules, cause youmentioned it real fast.
Just a quick little littlething here.
This is the rules process onyour right here, so Ellie can go
in just a little bit and we'renot going to spend much time on
this.
But they draft the rule, theypublish the notice so you can
comment on the rule stateenvironment department, the New
Mexico environment departmentand offer up some of your
(04:46):
opinions on this rule, and Ithink you will want to do it.
If you own a business, if youmanage a business and you don't
want massive hurdles to doingbusiness, well then you will
want to push back against this.
They revise it, accept it andsee what happens.
Or sometimes they roll back therule and they do something
different.
It just depends, okay.
(05:06):
So, okay, so you can go do thatthrough the state environment
department if you want to dothat.
But here is the rule.
So, ella, let's show them therule.
It's official.
There it is.
The New Mexico environmentdepartment.
Proposed heat illness andinjury prevention rule.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Okay, so we're assuming this has to do with
we've probably had a big heathealth emergency.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Well, I mean, look, people are regularly dropping
dead just every day walking downthe street from it.
No, I mean, obviously we're ahot state and so you do have to
pay attention to stuff.
People need water, you needstuff like that.
We have a lot of ranchers whowho deal with very warm
temperatures, oil and gas, andand farmers and all those sorts
of people, so it applies to alot of people.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It applies to restaurants.
Construction workers.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Construction workers.
Right, it applied to all ofthem, right?
Okay, so that's what thisapplied to.
So, ella, let's go to clipthree.
And this new rule says,basically, employers shall
conduct a heat exposureassessment.
Okay, when the heat indexthreshold tops 80 degrees 80.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
80.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
The onerous 80 degrees 80, 80, the the the
onerous 80 degrees.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Okay, With no humidity here in the state, by
the way that's a very good point.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So one of the things they talk about in this is they
talk about the temperature andthey also talk about the heat
index a lot.
Now I will just say this Ithink there's not a great deal,
I don't think, of knowledge ofof how heat index works in this
document, because heat index inthe state of New Mexico not as
big a deal, just the straight uptemperature is a big deal,
right, because it's hot, butwhen you have really warm
(06:31):
temperatures and low humidity,your heat index and your
temperature basically match Okay.
So there's not this big, youknow.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
What we mean is like it says it's 80, but it feels
like it's 95.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Exactly that happens in the southeast right, and what
that means is there's moremoisture in the air.
It's harder to evaporate themoisture off your skin and cool
you down right.
So that's what heat index isreally based on.
So that being set aside, let'sjust forget the heat index.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So it gets to 80.
What do we what?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
do these businesses have to set up?
Okay, the environmentdepartment says they have to set
up a heat illness and injuryprevention rule, right, and
they're going to set this wholething up and as they do it,
they've got control measuresthat go with it.
Okay, and so this, some ofthese control measures are crazy
.
So so, basically, as you startseeing temperatures and they
(07:20):
climb up into the low nineties,there's a few things they have
to do.
So, number one temperatures andthey climb up into the low 90s
there's a few things they haveto do.
So, number one acclimatizationmethods for new or returning
workers.
Okay, get this.
If you regularly work out inconditions that are considered
warm, okay, and say you go up to95 and above and 95 in New
Mexico, most everywhere gets to95 other than the Northern
mountains Okay, you have to.
If you take a job.
(07:41):
You then know, the first dayyou work, you can only work 20%
of your day according to thisrule, and then the next day you
can work another 20%, and thenthe next day you can work
another 20%.
So it is, you'll work 60% ofyour day by day three.
So you have a full week, okay,of working out there where you
can't work the full day.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So you work for, you'll work for whatever like 40
minutes, and then you'll take a20 minute break.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, you'll work.
Well, you could do it that way.
That's, we're getting to that.
Oh, sorry, this is more likeyou're working two hours of an
eight hour day.
Okay, so you can acclimatizeright to the temperature.
Okay, Okay.
And then here's another one.
Let's say this is your job,right?
You've had this job.
You've worked out on an oil rigfor four years.
You go on a vacation If you'regone for seven days or more, not
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seven work days, seven days ormore.
You cannot come right back andwork a full day.
You've got to acclimatize again,so you can work less than a
half a day.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Because you may have gone to Cancun, where it's a
solid 90 with humidity insteadof a beach, and had a pina
colada, but you've got to comeback and get reacclimate,
reclimatized.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right, right.
And so you're seeing this justgoing.
What in the world is going on?
So, really, what this means ispeople who own these businesses
any farmer, rancher or any ofthese people the people you need
to do the work.
You're pulling them out of themix.
You're saying, no, you're goingto, you're going to go by these
rules.
We're going to cost you money,productivity and instead of
saying, hey, you know, let'sjust make sure everybody's got
(09:11):
the water they need, you know,make sure they can do what they
need to do.
And obviously, if you getoverworked, there are remedies
to this.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You can absolutely file a claim against your
employer, right, but by settingup these rules, you're just
making doing business incrediblydifficult, and I'm just I'm
going back to the same questionI had a couple of minutes ago,
which is has there been somesort of heat injury or heat
health crisis?
That is, is the reason behindthis rule that has been
formulated.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Do we know?
I don't, I don't know that now.
Now maybe there is someepidemic of people, just just
mass there.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Passing out or whatever.
I don't know.
I think that we would haveheard about that from the news,
but who knows?
I would think Ella number six.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So if you're working out in a sunny environment and
the temperature's above 80degrees Fahrenheit guess what
you have to have ready access toshade when the heat index is
above 80 degrees.
Okay, okay, you've got to bejoking me.
Okay, now maybe that's a car.
I guess you could jump intoyour car, whatever, but the heat
index you're sitting theregoing.
Wait a minute, what's the heckis it?
(10:10):
Where do I get the heat indexstuff?
Right, there we go.
You got to do the math on theheat index.
They're like hey you got nine toone degrees times 55% relative
humidity, and then we got.
You got.
You got, guys.
You got a farmer sitting theregoing what the heck is going on,
as I'm looking at the numbers.
So then they tell you, theydirect you to number eight, they
direct you to the NationalWeather Service heat index oh my
(10:31):
gosh.
And so that when you go toohigh, all of a sudden you pull
things back and get this.
One other big thing hey look,you got to have water, which I
can totally understand.
That's absolutely true.
It makes sense to me.
I don't know that we need agovernment you know mandate
rules making, but it makes senseto make sure that everybody has
plenty of water.
But check this out this numberis written in the rule.
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Employees are required toprovide eight ounces of water
every 15 minutes.
You're going to be good luckgetting any work done.
Cause after that they're goingto be in the bathroom.
You're going to be in the can.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You're going to be in the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You're going to be in the can.
You're going to be in the cangoing to the bathroom Eight
ounces every 15 minutes.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I can't even drink eight ounces of water every 15
minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I mean you're lucky if you don't get water poisoning
.
I mean no joke, it's just likeyou're like what is going on?
And of course we mentioned theacclimatization, right, Right.
And it's not only Then.
You're going above certaintemperatures, All of a sudden
you got to ease it in.
And, by the way, your firstweek at the new employee, when
you're a new employee, you haveto be monitored by someone from
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the business constantly to makesure you're not going to.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
you're not going to melt down and they're going to
like what.
Take your temperature, makesure that you're like doing okay
.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, we got to stop really quickly we got's
take every temperature, by theway take Fred's temperature.
He just got back from vacation.
He can only work half a day.
We've got to watch out for him.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
How much water have you had?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
yet Fred have you had eight ounces the past 15
minutes.
Get over there.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Oh my gosh, You're not going to get kids Like hey,
you know, did you do the choresI asked you to do?
Did you clean the dishes up?
Did you clean up your room?
So what I could do, I couldoffer my services.
I could just roll in and belike all right you're the water
neck, I could be the water neck.
I could be like have you hadyour water?
Have you had?
I don't see you have it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
When was your last vacation?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
and how many days have you been back.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You've been working too much.
Sit down.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Was your vacation in a cold environment or a hot
environment?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
We may be able to.
You may have de-acclimatized.
We've got to go back andre-acclimatize you All right.
And then there's cooling areas.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
You've got to provide these cooling areas.
It's called shade, by the way.
Yeah, it is called shade.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So assess shade options for each site.
Okay, oh, okay.
Provide shade options to theair with mechanical ventilation.
Locate shade close to workingareas.
Ensure shade accommodates anumber of employees.
I mean, remember you're arancher.
You're like, well, God darn it,I don't have a tree around here
, and what are you going to do?
Put one in.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well no, you're going to have to have somebody that
brings a tent along with youwherever you are to set up the
tent for the day.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, but about the tent, right?
Yeah, you provide the tent.
In the rule it says there hasto be enough space underneath
the tent for every one of youremployees to sit under there at
the same time in a sittingupright position.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
It says that.
It says that oh my gosh, it'scrazy, crazy, helicopter
government control, out ofcontrol, out of control, it's
out of control.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
By the way, you've got to start these records and
you have to keep them for fiveyears.
Keep those records.
So again, every one of thesethings I'm mentioning, any
business owner is looking goingoh my Lord in heaven, how are we
going to pull?
this off but this isn't theworst part.
It gets worse.
Okay, so this is a graph or achart of sorts, and I turned it
(13:44):
into a graph.
But here's a chart of sorts,and else we'll go to the one
before this.
Okay, and what we'll do?
Ella, just go to about 100degrees, okay, so it gets to
about 100 degrees.
Okay, now what this shows you.
This is the part that's totallybonkers.
What is?
You slide on over and you seethe three different columns.
Okay, those are light work,medium work and and and
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strenuous work.
Okay, so if it's a hundreddegrees outside, you're required
to work on, let's say, moderatework.
You work for 45 minutes.
You're then required to take a15 minute break.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Okay, all right.
And then if you're doingstrenuous work at a hundred
degrees and we're basicallygoing to break this thing out,
you do 30 minutes of work, youtake a 30-minute break Holy cow
you just take a 30-minute break.
We're done.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Because, it's 100.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
No, no no, but we're at 105.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Wait, if you're at a car wash, that's technically a
job outside.
Does it count?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You know, I believe a car wash does count.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Because you're outside.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's not on this.
If you're outside, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
So you're obviously working the car wash, because
people like to get their carclean when it's nice outside.
Yeah Right.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But the car wash?
Would that be strenuous.
So my argument would be theywould say to you, car wash would
be light work and so it wouldbe normal still.
But I will tell you this, butthat's just the point, right,
christy?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
The point is exactly what you said, which is oh, what
about this, what about this?
This eats up time of everybusiness owner.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You got the guy that's standing outside at
Chick-fil-A to get your order.
He's technically outside, noquestion.
Does this count for him?
That's not strenuous, it's onthe list, but again, it's.
Every business in the state hasto ask this question.
It's a total waste of time.
Okay, but I want to go to 105,because 105 in the summer in
Carlsbad, artesia, roswell,hobbs, you name it, clovis
Portales that happens all thetime.
Okay, all right, you go to 105.
(15:31):
And if you're doing evenmoderate work, you're spending
35 minutes.
Ella, just slide back up so wecan see a little bit.
You're spending 35 minutesresting, 25 minutes working, and
take a look at 105.
You're spending 15 minutesworking and 45 minutes resting,
25 minutes working, and take alook at one.
Oh, five, you're spending 15minutes working and 45 minutes
resting on.
Believable, I mean, you want itand so.
So here's the graph, ella,right, so then we go to the
(15:53):
graph.
The next one, yeah, so then wego to the graph and basically,
from about 101 on, you'respending more time resting,
resting than you are working.
That's what I did with this.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And then these employers are going to pay these
employees to rest in the shadewith their water.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, unbelievable.
And again, I'm for water, I'm,I'm for water, I'm for not dying
on the work site, okay, but I'malso for allowing businesses to
operate in a way that doesn'tdestroy their ability to to
absolutely conduct business.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And again, and if there's not some sort of heat
crisis, health crisis that we'veheard of, which we still have
not heard of that.
So if that's going on, pleaseenlighten us.
No, we will Because we have notheard about that.
But if there's people droppinglike flies out there, then you.
Obviously there is a cause forthat, just like a certain amount
of hours you have to work everyday for labor laws, right?
(16:44):
That's understandable, thatmakes perfect sense.
But this seems overmanaged, andit seems like I mean even the
people that have these jobswould be like.
I'm here to get my work done sothat I can leave and go home
Like I don't need to sit downevery 15 minutes.
I'm used to working in thesetemperatures.
I've been doing this job forfive years.
I know what I, you know what Ihave a little rag I put on my
(17:10):
neck.
I have a hat that covers thesun.
I'm well equipped for this.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I've got a thermos with water in it.
Heat index heat index that'sall I have to say to you, Just
heat index.
Oh, by the way in case you'relook, I you can't help but
believe in in watching this andlooking at it.
This is aimed at ranchers andoil and gas in Southeast Mexico,
and so I figured we'd.
Let's just take the most,probably the most important oil
and gas town, Hobbs being oneand Carlsbad being the other.
Okay, let's take some weatherfrom Carlsbad.
(17:32):
Okay, On average, in Carlsbadyou go a hundred or over 35
times a year.
That's, on average, most years,what you're.
Split it right.
So most half the years you'llbe over that, Right, and, by the
way, Okay.
So you want to talk aboutcrippling a business?
You will cripple a business Ifyou take this environment
(17:55):
department proposal, put it intoaction and you will absolutely
just be killing those industries.
So contact the New Mexicoenvironment department.
You can go on their website andpush back on this.
It's the proposed heat illnessand injury prevention rule.
It's unreal.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But if you say again where's the website that people
can go to?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The New Mexico Environment Department.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Okay, all right, I just want to make sure you said
it really fast.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
The New Mexico Environment Department.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, so make sure people can make a comment on it.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But just this, just one more thing.
This is just.
We talk about it all the timeand it is, if matters, because
so many good people have leftthis state, because they're
incredibly frustrated that theycan't do business.
And this is the perfect example, and it's the classic
(18:42):
well-intentioned,well-thought-out overreach and
it is over the top.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It sounds like people have nothing better to do with
their time on this committee orwhatever.
This is this group.
They're like, hey, let's cookup something that we can talk
about and make it we'll make anew rule.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
They think about how many different and, believe me,
in different businesses thatwe're in we have to jump through
.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I mean some of them.
There's a ton of hoops justreally hard.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And so you're never going to get ahead, you're never
going to provide a state wherepeople can truly benefit from so
many blessings that we have inthe state of New Mexico we don't
benefit from, and so many goodpeople have said I'm done, I'm
done with you and all your, allyour rules and all your red tape
.
I'm gone.
And we look now and we're lastin education, we're first in
(19:27):
violent crime, and we look atall of this and say we have to
do better than this.
And so the reason I broughtthis up is some weird rules
thing out of nowhere.
And you say well, you know whywould he bring this and why
would he talk about this?
It is the perfect example ofwhat happens in the state.
Far too often, yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yep, okay, so we'll keep you posted though.
So as this goes to light, we'llfind out more information and
keep you guys up to date on whatends up transpiring.
So let's talk a little bitabout this Milwaukee judge that
we talked about in the lastepisode, judge Dugan.
Yes, okay, now she's the onethat Hannah Duggs, yeah
apparently, you know just, it'snot even alleged she's been
(20:03):
arrested for-.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
She's been arrested, but the crime is still alleged.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Okay, whatever, that's like my old news days.
We had to say alleged 15 timesin every story, but anyway she
is alleged for taking a legalmigrant, somebody here legally
that was up for abusive chargeslike physical abusing of his
girlfriend, beating up aroommate, beating up a third guy
.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Eduardo Flores Ruiz.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And ICE is there waiting to take over this case
when he is found guilty.
Ice is there waiting to takeover this case when he is found
guilty.
The judge, instead of basicallyjust finds out that Ice is
there, does a little bit of a.
I don't know what she's doing,but she basically takes this guy
and his attorney out a backdoor, Right Okay.
And then they catch him shortlythereafter.
(20:48):
They end up arresting thisjudge.
Yep, People are all mad thatthis judge is being made, you
know.
You know, why would we makethis such public, a public
arrest of this judge?
Well, gee, I don't know, Maybebecause you didn't.
you know, keep the law and orderthat you're supposed to because
you're a judge and then now wehave this, this brand new piece
of information, that basicallyshe's been temporarily relieved
(21:10):
of her duties as a judge RightDays after temporarily relieved
of her duties as a judge daysafter this FBI arrest.
Thank God that happened.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, and we'll see what ends up happening.
And if again it turns out noneof this happened, then she will
be reinstated, I'm sure.
But she's in trouble Likethere's no doubt.
I think there's a very goodchance she ends up in jail for
what she did and again, I'veheard like she could be in jail
for up to 15 years.
It's crazy when a judge, sheshould be paraded.
Remember, if one of us does oneof these crimes that is high
(21:37):
profile like this, we getparaded, right.
I mean, we even had a guestcomment on that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
that said well, what I do?
If I, if I help somebody evadethe criminal system, or if I
helped, you know, hide acriminal, what would happen to
me?
Right?
And so I don't know why thisjudge thinks she's above the law
, but it's, you know, peopleturning this into a hey, I hate
Trump.
And then, therefore, this judgehas every power to do whatever
she wants.
Doesn't line up.
I don't care what you thinkabout the president.
This is.
(22:02):
This woman broke the law, Right.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And it's this story, and the one you're about to get
to, that that, by the way, a lotof the congressional leadership
in DC now has said get off ofthis, get off of these issues.
Oh, because they're like theydon't help.
But when and I think it wasAkeem Jeffries, you know, the
minority leader in the housesaid stop going to El Salvador.
Like this is not a good lookfor us, stop doing it.
(22:28):
And so that's what they'rebacking off on.
But obviously that El Salvadorstory continues to be a big deal
.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah.
So we get an email and I'm notgoing to say her last name, but
her first name was Nancy, andthis is what she said People are
defending the man in prison inEl Salvador without due process.
As our constitution states,everyone on American soil is
entitled to due process in court.
If you're against due process,then we will eventually lose all
of our rights and be livingunder a Nazi regime.
I rights and be living under aNazi regime.
(22:55):
I mean, I'm sorry I'm teachingfallacies in my class right now.
This is a classic slipperyslope fallacy, but anyway,
regardless, that's not what Iwant.
Is it what you want?
That is why people are standingup against lack of due process
and rule of law.
I believe in rule of law, doyou?
Okay?
So I had to bring this up Firstof all.
Do we want to go into the BillMalugian thing, or do you want
me to discuss?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You can do your thing first, and then I can mention
the stellar things that continueto come out about Kilmar Obrego
Garcia.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Okay, yeah, cause let's be honest here.
So, basically, just so you guysknow, you do get a court case
handed to you, or if you sign uplike, let's say, you cross the
border and you claim asylum,when you come across the border,
then you're given a court dateand that's where you go to plead
for asylum.
Okay, that's what happens.
This guy, abrego Garcia, did notdo that.
(23:39):
He came across into the UnitedStates illegally and didn't
claim asylum for several yearsuntil he was actually arrested
in 2019 for gang activity.
So he had two court cases, sohe went before two judges two
different court cases in 2019,where he was found here
illegally and in heavy ganginvolvement.
(24:00):
So he was set to be deportedback to El Salvador or to
another country.
He's from El Salvador, he isnot an American citizen, and so
I think there's some, like youknow, they call him Maryland man
and people think, oh, he's anAmerican, he's not an American.
I also think that we have areal misunderstanding of
immigration law, of who isallowed to have a court
proceeding or due process.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Well, he also was.
He went through and there's anadjudication order to remove him
from the country.
So that's the due process.
Yeah, that was his due You'redone.
He had it done twice.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
So he basically had to stay because they were trying
to sort out where they weregoing to send him back Because
of the ninth hour.
His attorney said you can'tsend him back to his home
country of El Salvador for fearof him getting hurt or whatever.
And then basically El Salvadorhas cleaned up a lot of that
activity under their new leaderand so it's a safer environment
for him to come back to.
So he would have been deportedto El Salvador anyway.
So I kind of have explained toNancy in an email back even if
(25:00):
you brought this guy back okaywhich makes no sense to do that
he would go immediately into thecustody of ICE.
Ice would say he's set to bedeported.
He's here illegally.
He's beat up his girlfriend orwife I don't know if they're
married or not, but he's hiswife so he's beat her up
multiple times.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Hey, don't steal my thunder.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh, sorry, Okay, but he would he.
Then he would just be sentright back to El Salvador,
because now that state has beenremoved.
So I guess I just I'm likesitting here going.
Of course we believe in therule of law, but let's not fool
ourselves that you're not anAmerican citizen If you're here
illegally and you crossedillegally and you didn't even
say I'm here for asylum, to geta court case.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, well, you know, my thought thought on this is
simply that if we're fightingabout this and you're in the
democratic party, this is not afight you want.
If you're just not a fight youwant, and the reason why is
because every 20 minutessomething new comes out.
So clip 19,.
Bill Mellugian comes out withthis.
We already know that this guyhis wife, has already written
official complaints to thepolice that he beats the heck
(25:56):
out of her Right.
Okay, we've got another one nowfrom her.
A second one.
Fox news has obtained a secondprotective order filed against
Maryland manned, kilmar ObregoGarcia, by his wife in 2020, in
which she accuses him ofphysical abuse, threatening her
and says she has a recordingwhere he says even if he kills
her, nobody can do anything tohim.
(26:17):
So if you think this guy doesn'trealize that he's taking
advantage of our system.
He clearly, clearly does.
This was a year before shefiled another protective order
against him in which she accusedhim of being a repeat wife
beater and said he had.
She has videos of him involvedin violence and claims and said
he had.
She has videos him involved inviolence and claims that she is
afraid to be around him.
(26:38):
So let's break down the laundrylist of the maryland man the
maryland man.
Okay, he's a salvadoran illegalalien.
Came in here illegally.
Alleged ms-13 gang memberreaffirmed in an immigration
court by a judge.
Nancy, yeah, that's how thatworks.
That's called due process.
Bye-bye.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And, by the way, it wasn't a Republican judge, just
for the record.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Whatever Either way.
Yeah, I love it, though.
Accused of being a repeat wifebeater, domestic abuser of his
own wife multiple times, andhe's suspected of human
trafficking in Tennessee, whiledriving convicted human
traffickers vehicle with eightpeople and no luggage from Texas
to Maryland the Maryland man.
And, by the way, in case you'recurious, did she really write
(27:22):
this?
Did she really write a policecomplaint?
This is that police complaintand it's available online.
You can check it out yourself.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
So, again, this sort of thing ridiculous, but you
know, we'll see how it how itwill be interesting to see if
they actually start to back offof these ridiculous issues,
right, Instead of defending thepeople that are, you know, that
have had to bury their daughtersbecause they've been murdered
and raped from people hereillegally.
You know, this woman could haveeasily lost her life to this
man, very easily.
(27:51):
You know he's beating her up.
He's beating her up, she'strying to get him away from her
and now I'm sure she's likehallelujah that he's, that he's
away from her, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And I think if you're talking the raw politics of
this, it's just a horrible placeto be now.
Where, where's the right placeto be?
If you are sitting in the hallsof Congress and you're a
Democratic power broker, youshould be only talking about one
issue.
You shouldn't be going anddefending a Brago Garce.
It's ridiculous.
(28:21):
It just shows how lost they are.
But this, this is a problem.
So Trump comes out today andagain it looks we've started to
see our economy contract alittle bit right.
Will it lead to a recession?
We don't know, but it turns out.
I don't know if you rememberback to the Biden administration
.
When you have a contractingeconomy, that's not necessarily
a recession.
I don't know if you rememberthat.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Remember that yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
They're like oh, I don't know, but anyway, here's
what Trump says.
And again, I think they betterget this figured out, because
this line won't work.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
This is Biden's stock market, not Trump's.
I didn't take over untilJanuary 20th.
Tariffs will soon start kickingin and companies are starting
to move into the USA in recordnumbers.
Our country will boom, but wehave to get rid of the Biden
overhang.
This will take a while.
It has nothing to do withtariffs, only that he left us
with bad numbers.
But when the boom begins itwill be like no other.
Be patient, Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Okay Well, it will be like no other.
Be patient, okay.
Okay Well, people will try tobe patient.
But there is some.
I'm just looking up becausethere are some developing.
There's some developing newsright now on what we're about to
talk about, okay, and that'sthe Chinese tariffs.
But yeah, I mean, look, I thinkyou've got to settle things
down, I think, and you have tomove forward.
They have to get a tax cutpassed.
They, I think, and you have tomove forward, they have to get a
(29:33):
tax cut pass.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
They've got to.
They got to look the beautifulbill I think is supposed to be
up around July 4th yeah.
Right so they do need to seelike where is that headed?
I know they were going to do itby Memorial day.
That's been pushed now untilJuly 4th.
So we'll be interested to seewhat the big beautiful bill tax
cuts actually include.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, and again, all of this can be what can pivot
quite quickly and to be somepositive stuff for the president
.
But but to me it's like this isvery clear what's going on here
, and that is that you got tofigure this part out.
The reason people reelectedDonald Trump is because he did a
better job with the economy.
I mean, he just did Right, soso this is important to figure
it out.
But again he's he's trying toserve two masters Right, the
(30:09):
long term reset versus a shortterm.
Keep the long-term reset versusa short-term.
Keep prices down.
Don't go into recession, right?
So we are starting to see someeffects of what's happening with
the tariffs, and some of thedetails from China are
interesting.
China exports orders plunge,hit by Trump's trade war, so the
amount of stuff being pulledout of China, in other words,
(30:31):
being exported from China, isgoing down quickly.
In fact, it says China'seconomy showed its first big
signs of damage from the tradewar as steep US tariffs pummeled
the export orders andproduction at the country's
factories.
A gauge of new export ordersfell in April to its lowest
reading since COVID-19 wasravaging the country in 2022,
while overall manufacturingactivity in China was the
(30:53):
weakest in more than a year,according to surveys published
Wednesday by China's NationalBureau of Labor or of statistics
.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Rather Right, but will this result in the Chinese
moving a bit, or are they goingto?
Are they going to basicallycall Trump's bluff, like that's
kind of the question, now thatpeople are kind of asking about
this.
So this is the sharp pullbackshow Trump's eye watering.
Tariffs on Chinese imports arestarting to squeeze the engine
room of China's economy, pilingpressure on Beijing to boost its
stimulus efforts to shore upgrowth.
(31:21):
It also adds to pressure onleader John Ping to reach a deal
Xi Jinping, xi Jinping.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I know the XI.
I don't get the XI, I knew itwas going to.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It was going to be in there too.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I knew it was going to be in there too.
Chairman Xi, yeah, I know I'msorry.
Sorry, keep going.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
To reach a deal on trade with President Trump,
though for now, the clearmessage from Beijing is one of
resolute defiance and the teethof what is described as US
bullying.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Right, Because no one loves a good graph more than me
.
Just a quick little graph herewhich shows what's happening in
that blue line is new exportorders.
And happening in that blue lineis new export orders.
And look what's happening tothem.
They are plunging.
This is the bet that Besson andTrump have made that China
needs us more than we need themwhen it comes to this.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Well, I mean, I hope this is true, because I don't
know, you know people.
We really do need these deals.
I mean, Trump got up to givehis hundred day kind of
announcements of what he feelslike he's done.
Well, he is saying that there'sall these countries that are
coming to the US now to workthese trade negotiations.
So what we need to do,hopefully we start to see some
results from that soon, andhopefully China happens to be
(32:25):
one of them, because that'sreally the biggest one that we
need this deal renegotiated with.
So we'll keep our eyes on this,as you will.
I'm yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And there's some indication we're getting now
that China may be pulling backon some of their tariffs on
energy to try it as an olivebranch.
I don't know if that's true,but that it's just coming out,
so we'll see if that's the case.
Yeah, if they are backing downthat, that could be helpful to
start to open things up.
We'll see.
I mean, really, people haven'tbeen pinched heavily yet by
tariffs anyway, so if we canwork out a deal, that that would
(32:53):
be helpful.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We've got to end with this last story, all right, so
I'm going to let you.
I mean, all I know about BillBelichick is from what I watched
on the.
What is it?
The dynasty, the dynasty Kings?
Is that what it's called?
The dynasty?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
the dynasty Kings.
Yes, no, no, dynasty, you'retrying to mix Tulsa Kings and
the dynasty.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Oh yeah, I was trying to mix two shows there, Okay
sorry so Sylvester Stallone isnot involved.
He's not involved.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
But if you're looking for an interesting documentary
you've said this before it's onApple.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
TV.
Oh yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
And it was.
I don't even.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I'm not even a Patriots fan and it was
fascinating.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I mean, it was you call it the December to January.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh, the May-December.
This is beyond that.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I mean that's what I was going to say it's like we
need a couple of new months whenyou've got a.
What's the age gap?
He's 72.
She's 24.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, I think he may be 73 now.
Oh, is he 73?
He may be Something like, yeah,50.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Let's just say he is a season or two older than her.
Okay, she's 24.
I'd kill you if you were datinga 24 year old.
I would be like are you kiddingme?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Our own daughters would kill me Cause they'd be
like that girl was in eighthgrade when I was a first grader.
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, it's awful, super weird.
It's awful, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
So of gets interesting.
I look I'm not going to getinto the whole.
You know why Belichick isdating a 24 year old.
I mean, obviously everybody hastheir own like snicker about
that, right.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, that's one way of putting it, but yes, Okay,
but.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
But what I don't understand is something else
entirely here.
I think it's something weirdthat you've gone from somebody
who is the most well thought of,respected coach in the history
of football I really do thinkthat he won six Super Bowls.
I mean, yeah, that's thedynasty right and he is an
incredible coach and he'ssomebody who doesn't suffer
(34:43):
fools for a second Right, and sonow he's gone and taken a job
at the university of NorthCarolina kind of a weird move,
especially for him.
I just thought it was odd.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Maybe he still wants to coach but doesn't want the
pressure of professionalfootball.
I totally understand.
But there's a million other.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
no, I get it, but there's a million other college
programs that are better thanUNC that he could have gone to.
But I still don't totallyunderstand it.
But that's fine.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It sounds a little bit like a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Well, no, this is what's weird about what she does
.
So this is a classic example ofyou have a 73 year old man who
apparently is is taking a lot ofadvice, at the very least, from
someone who's 24 and has noidea what she's doing.
Okay, and she's got, she'sgetting him into the territory
of you know kind of it's.
(35:28):
He's starting to look reallyfoolish for somebody who is
incredibly accomplished.
Okay, so I want you to listento this interview from CBS this
morning.
Tony DeCoppo does thisinterview with him.
This was not a series of toughquestions, it just wasn't OK.
It was not difficult, ok, butwhat ends up happening here is
(35:49):
you'll see how she starts toinsert herself in the interview.
Let me tell you something I'vedone plenty of TV interviews,
not like Bill Belichick, right,and you've been standing there
for some of them.
If you jumped in during a TVinterview I was doing, it would
happen one time, and then youand I would have had an animated
(36:09):
discussion about it.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Oh, and I can back this up.
I won't go into grave detail,but we were at an event once,
yeah, and I felt like you hadanswered the question a couple
of times.
It was still coming from thesame person, right, and so I did
think I could add some color toit, because I kind of came in
from a female perspective.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Right, right right.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
And we had a very strong discussion when that
whole event was over and yousaid, listen, I appreciate what
you did, I don't need you toanswer for me, yeah, and I was
like, well done, okay, that'scool, I totally respect that.
I thought I was helping and Irecognized afterwards that I was
like, oh I, much moreproductive than this.
Is what you're going to see,okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
So I don't want to put those two in the same
category.
Because you were like, hey,here's one thing to think.
And even after that I was likeshoot, we don't do that.
You're like ew, I've got this,I've got this, we're fine, I
(37:12):
don't care if I fall on thesword and bleed out in front of
you, I don't need you steppingin, right, all right.
So this takes us to BillBelichick, right, and so just
listen to how DeCoppo kind ofthis is him kind of explaining
the interview they had, and thensome clips of the actual
interview.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
The other change for Belichick is 24 year old Jordan
Hudson, his creative muse.
As he writes in his book,Jordan was a constant presence
during our interview.
You have Jordan right overthere.
Everybody in the world seems tobe following this relationship.
They've got an opinion aboutyour private life.
(37:42):
It's got nothing to do withthem, but they're invested in it
.
How do you deal with that?
I've never been too worriedabout what everybody else thinks
.
Just try to do what I feel likeis best for me and what's right
.
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Not talking about this.
Okay, stop right there.
No, she steps in and says we'renot talking about this.
Who the heck are you?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Who are you Like?
That's the hardest questionhe's ever had to answer.
I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I'm not sure, by the way it is out there, they met on
a flight in 2021 to Palm beach.
Like it's everybody's talkedabout it.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Everybody knows how they met.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Everybody knows.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It is not new and, by the way, he's all.
I did the math he's almost 50years older than her.
It's like right now someonebeing born, that we're going to
date and you're going to dateafter I'm in the ground.
Yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
No, I'm not.
I promise you.
I promise you.
So, right there, we'll get backto this.
Else We'll go back slightly onthat clip.
All right, but you listen toher tone and be like who do you
think you are?
Like, literally, you graduatedfrom college last year, you have
a softball question to thegreatest football coach in the
history of football and youthink you need to step in champ
(38:49):
like who are you?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
all right, let's keep going, not talking about this
no, no, it's a topic neither oneof them is comfortable
commenting on, though hudson hasrecently posted about it on
instagram.
You join insta face as it.
I love that there's some greatpictures of you in Jordan, where
you're a fisherman.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
He's being so nice.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
It's charming.
It's a different side of you.
What's the reaction been like?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Stop, stop, right there.
He has no idea what he'stalking about, because he hasn't
seen these posts.
Because he hasn't seen the post.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, because he's done it.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
He took the pictures.
Yeah, he was there, he didn't.
He didn't know.
Yeah, he's like, what are youtalking about?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
If you think that he's on Instagram, I'm sorry, no
no, I totally understand.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
There's one thing about not being on Instagram.
There's something elsecompletely with a guy who never
misses a detail, having no cluewhat you're talking about.
Now, let's go back slightly andkeep going.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Ben like to have these different sort of photos.
Ben, like To have thesedifferent sort of photos.
There's another one whereyou're doing I know you're not
into meditation or yoga orPilates You're balancing Jordan
on your feet and she's doingkind of the Titanic pose.
Yeah, so I'm on some of thosesocial media platforms but I
(40:04):
honestly don't follow them.
What he does follow isn'tclicks or views, but touchdowns
and, above all, wins.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Okay, All right.
So here's the thing.
Now this has blown up, okay,and that's why this girl is so
in over her skis Because of theway she handled herself and has
no clue what she's doing.
She has created now acontroversy and all of a sudden,
this thing's starting to gainmomentum.
So here we go.
(40:34):
Belichick today issues astatement through the University
of North Carolina and basicallysays in the statement we agreed
what we're going to talk about.
And he started to get realpersonal with stuff.
You watched Tony DiCoppo there.
I mean incredibly respectfulRight Super softballs and all of
(40:54):
the sudden you know CoachBelichick's having to go out and
explain.
You know Jordan's, and he saysin the statement he has a
personal and professionalrelationship with her.
What professionally is shedoing?
I mean, I get it If you wanther to be your PR person,
whatever, but this is she's soover her skis.
It's ridiculous.
So because he comes out withthis statement going after CBS,
(41:17):
cbs comes after him and here'swhat they said.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
So when we agreed to speak with Mr Belichick, it was
for a wide ranging interview.
There were no preconditions orlimitations to this conversation
.
This was confirmed repeatedlywith his publisher before the
interview took place and afterit was completed.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Okay you.
Just somebody who is this agewalking in and thinking she owns
the joint is unbelievablygalling, I mean as you watch it.
Okay, so my job.
When I left news, when I firstleft news, I went into media
consulting and I worked for a.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
You watch it, Okay.
So my job when I left news,when I first left news, I went
into media consulting and Iworked for a big firm in Los
Angeles.
My job was to take big CEOs totheir interviews.
I traveled with them all aroundthe country.
We went on the today show.
We went to 60 minutes.
We would talk to red herring.
We would do all these differentinterviews.
It was my job to prep theclient and make sure that client
(42:07):
knew what was getting ready toget asked to him.
I would only intercede if theywere like going to ask like a
major no-no question, likefinance or something like that.
That would have been reallytricky and I never would have
interrupted it.
I would have given a sign tothe CEO, to me, because he needs
to be able to manage it on hisown Right and I'm sorry, Bill
Belichick can handle anything onhis own.
(42:28):
If you watch dynasty, they askhim questions right to the
camera and he says I'm not goingto talk about that.
He has no problem saying I'mnot going to discuss that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
He was in.
Yeah, I've never seen him moreuncomfortable than he was in
that interview.
And you're right You're exactlyright to do media prep.
This girl has no experience inmedia.
What are you talking about?
Literally, you were on thecheerleading team a year ago she
was.
I'm not just saying that likeshe was on the show.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
She doesn't know.
No, she has no idea, and youwould just never interrupt a
television interview.
Anyway you would.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
it just is not a question on where did you meet,
which is already out in thepublic sphere.
It's crazy and I just I don'tunderstand what he's doing.
And you're starting to hearmore and more people start to
talk around him.
Again, it's all unsourced.
At this point, just to saywe're concerned.
We're concerned that he's goingdown a road with somebody that
that no clue like what's goingon.
So I this is just over the topand so I wanted to bring it up
(43:21):
just because, because of whatshe did and because she handled
herself emotionally in a waythat was that was over the top
in that, for for that givensituation, you have to be super
careful.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Oh, of course, Now it's a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, now it's a nightmare, and he, and he too, I
think, just sort of looked likehe was clueless.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
you know doddering guy sitting there going, I don't
know what me, not know whatthis stuff is, you know you're
like what maybe I should justput a plug out there and just
tell Mr Belichick if he actuallyneeds real PR consultant, he
can give me a buzz, I mean firstof all a you're way too old for
him.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
And then B.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
I am way too young.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I agree with you, but not no, that's exactly my point
.
Where's the 50 year old chickthat Belichick should?
Be hanging out with you knowtoo young.
I'm sorry, it's still too youngyeah.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I don't know, I mean, that's just what I'm saying,
but anyway, okay, we'll note toeverybody out there.
Be careful, who you I guess.
We'll record that and keep thatin memory for you when.
I'm six feet under you.
Be careful about it.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
We'll see.
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Okay, well, thanks for joining us and we will see
you guys back here later on thisweek.
Take care.
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