Episode 212: When Politicians Think You're Too Stupid to Notice Their Hypocrisy

🔥 Exclusive Polling Only on Our Show

You heard it here first: a brand new poll dropped exclusively to the podcast on:

• Donald Trump’s approval in New Mexico
• Deb Haaland’s approval
• Sam Bregman’s numbers
• And surprisingly, how popular New Mexico’s #1 industry — oil and gas — really is

You will NOT believe these results. Trust us.

🧭 Gerrymandering Hypocrisy: Teresa Leger Fernandez Called Out

Rep. Teresa Leger Fernandez went viral for slamming Texas Republicans over gerrymandering.
But… her own New Mexico Democratic Party has taken gerrymandering to a whole new level.
Mark delivers an epic takedown and exposes the real story behind NM’s unfair congressional districts.

📽️ Deb Haaland’s Campaign Video Strategy

Deb Haaland just launched her latest campaign video — and it’s all about attacking Trump with very few facts.
Mark explains why this kind of “light-on-truth, heavy-on-drama” campaigning will define her run for governor.
Is it effective? We break it all down.

😡 Vulgar Slurs at an APS School Board Meeting

In a shocking moment at an Albuquerque Public Schools board meeting, Board Member Heather Benavidez and her husband hurled a disgusting slur at a fellow board member.
When called out, she played the victim.
Krysty unpacks how this type of behavior — and what it reveals about her and her husband — has no place in public service.

📈 PR Win of the Week: Astronomer Redeems Itself

Remember the Coldplay concert scandal? The company in the hot seat, Astronomer, just pulled off a massive PR win.
We explain how they turned things around — and what other companies could learn from their move.

🦌 Sunday Game Day: Mark’s Trail Cams Catch a Stunner

We wrap up with a must-see moment from Mark’s northern New Mexico game cameras.
This incredible animal sighting is one you don’t want to miss!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Uh-oh, I got a wardrobemalfunction.
All right, I'm good don't betaking your top off I'm always
looking for a reason just calmit down I'm always looking for a
reason I need to get you someof that tape, I guess I know
this is just a little little oddhere, a A little situation.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
You know, I wore my second collection of my uh.
I'm waiting for you to rip onmy dress today.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh, I'm just waiting.
Yeah, like I know, we just tooka quick trip to Greece and then
threw that thing on.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, I was waiting for it.
No, I think it's a great, greatlook and cruise wear yeah your
Grecian cruise wear is amazingthat you make fun of.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, Well, no, I think it looks great Well thanks
, it looks good.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I like it.
Do you have any?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
tzatziki.
Over there I can have.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, I might make some Mediterranean later today.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, do a little bit .
Yeah, yeah, maybe that's whatI'm in the mood for a little bit
.
Or maybe you could just keepthe ball rolling.
Yeah, no, it's a big one it's abig one.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's a big one.
19 it's yeah, it's weird.
19 is huge.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's 119 years, yeah it feels like it's much longer
than that, even.
Um, okay, let's get to it here.
Show you what's going on.
We uh, we got a lot to get to.
Actually a really, I think,interesting show.
This is gonna be good one.
A little birdie dropped offsome polling data in my inbox
and it's reliable, and we'regoing to talk about what it
means.
We've got some Trump numbers inNew Mexico and some other

(01:32):
numbers as well, which I thinkyou're going to want to see.
Then we're going to get alittle lesson in redistricting
from Teresa Ledger Fernandez.
Oh I can't wait I mean I justcan't wait so we're going to
listen to her explain why Texasis what they call gerrymandering
, meaning cutting upcongressional districts so that
one side or another wins Right,and in this case she's blaming

(01:53):
Republicans.
Okay Now, my problem is neverwith someone who I might believe
their opinions are wrong.
My problem is with someone whothinks you're stupid, and thinks
you're too stupid to know whatthey're saying, and that you're
too dumb to realize how poorlythey either understand the issue
or how little regard thisperson has for our opinions and

(02:17):
our intelligence.
And what she does here isstaggeringly offensive in the
respect that you're done.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
It's called gaslighting Guy.
It's been around for a longtime and I feel, like some of
our leaders, that we're going totalk about today specifically.
That's what they're rolling outright now.
They're rolling out somegaslighting, pretty hot.
There's some hot gaslightingcoming in.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
And then Deb Haaland steps into what I think her
campaign is going to be.
So it's going to be distilledinto one little soundbite from
her that she reads off her phoneteleprompter.
But still, this is the routeshe's going to go.
We'll explain why.
For her it's probably the rightapproach.
The question is, will it work?
And then we'll get into whetherwhat she says is actually true
or not.

(02:54):
Spoiler alert it's not so.
When you run in an off-yearelection or in between
presidential elections right Amidterm, as we call it
Oftentimes the party out ofpower has a huge advantage.
We'll explain why that is stilllikely to be the case.
We're going to get a bite fromDan Bongino, who's talking about
what's going on at the FBI.

(03:15):
And then the Albuquerque SchoolBoard.
I don't know.
I know you saw this.
Yeah, a horrendous situation onthe Albuquerque school board.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I mean just, you know we are obviously fans of
Courtney Jackson, the vicepresident of the school board.
We voted for her, we reallywanted her to be in that
position, and now this justlooks like it's ridiculous.
It's not just ridiculous, it'shurtful, it's really bad.
I just can't.
It's just such a poorrepresentation of what the

(03:43):
school board is supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
So we'll get into that, because it is unbelievable
that actually more people arenot talking about it.
Well, and it is not only thatdid her fellow school board
member take it a ridiculouscheap shot at her?
Her and her husband did thisright, but the way they reacted
to it tells you everything abouttheir character, and so we'll
get into details on that.
And more flooding in Ruedo.
So we've got some mail for youat a great PR move by a company

(04:10):
that we want to recognize.
And then, of course, Sundaygame day.
We have a beauty.
I mean, I'm telling you I gotthis thing.
It was yesterday.
It came in on the game camerasand I was like Whoa, I got it,
and so this thing's good looking.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Okay For those of you that don't care about game day
but, there's a lot that do,don't worry honey, don't worry,
don't.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Don't even mention that there are people who don't
care about.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
There's like two of us out there that don't.
Yeah, the fact that you're oneof them is ridiculous.
All right, soing obviously issomething that we don't get our
hands on that often, because why?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's expensive.
For a real poll.
That means something whereyou've got to call people and
I've got.
Sorry, I had my little phonewent off.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yes, I know, maybe you should just mute that.
I will mute that.
You're busy.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
So what you end up seeing is with polling where you
have to call people and getthem on the phone, which now
polling, sort of hybriding,right, it's some people on the
phone, some people via text.
They're doing a variety ofthings, but for the most part
here, if you want a real poll,that means something.
It's about $40,000.
It's, it's expensive, okay.
So therefore, you don't get alot of regular polling.
Now, sometimes you'll getgarbage polling.

(05:19):
Survey monkey, take your survey.
We're not talking survey monkey, we're talking.
You've got people in a callcenter that are going down a
list of of of questions andanswers for people.
It's evenly weighted.
You figure out how it's allweighted out.
You know by.
You know representation,whether it be Republican,
democrat, independent.
You wait it out properly forthe state and everything else.

(05:39):
So so it really does take a lotof money.
That's why you don't get a tonof it.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Okay, so we have some inside baseball numbers that
are not really going to berevealed elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
No one's going to talk about this publicly.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
We happen to have some friends in right places.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, yeah and it's good stuff and I think I want to
get let's start with Trump'snumbers Okay, because I think
these are interesting.
And Trump's favorability in NewMexico is 45%.
His negatives unfavorability is50%.
For Trump in New Mexico, thatis a solid number.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Right, because he lost by what?
Six points.
I think in this last election.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
But a 45% favorable a year into your oh not even gosh
eight months into youradministration, seven months
into your administration,actually is pretty good,
especially because of all thestuff that's been talked about
with the big beautiful bill andwe're saying, oh, he's going to
get thrown off of Medicaid andall this stuff, right, the cheap
shots that don't turn out to betrue.
Overall, and before these planscan really take effect, I think

(06:35):
a 45% approval rate for Trumpin the state is solid.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's a really good number.
That's pretty good.
I mean, it's kind of why theyalways say that our state's more
purple than blue.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, they don't.
Well, it's become very blue,but yeah, well it has.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
But when you see numbers like this.
Then you go back and thinkmaybe we're a bit more purple
than people think we are.
Yeah, I think that's a reallygood point, because obviously
for his favorability to be thathigh, they had to have spoke to
Democrats to find out thatpeople like him as well, Right
and Right and independence.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And yeah, his numbers with Republicans will obviously
be very solid.
But remember, republicans are32 percent of the electorate.
In New Mexico he's at 45.
Right, so those are someindependent numbers in there,
obviously, and some Democrats,right.
So yeah, so those numbers areactually pretty solid.
Mlg's numbers her numbers aren'tterrible for a second term
governor.
You know that people have kindof decided on her.

(07:22):
She's always going to beunderwater.
Now she's not going to.
She's not going to not beunderwater, but she's at roughly
44%.
So a little below Trumpactually, and 49% unfavorable.
I think a lot of that's thecrime.
I think she stemmed some of her.
I think she'd be at 38, 36% hadshe not come out and actually
decided to talk about crime acouple years ago after the

(07:44):
election.
You know she finally, I think,realized oh, this is a huge
issue after we wrapped it aroundher neck and she finally
started to address it.
I think that stemmed the flowof votes out of her column.
So now she said 44%.
It's not a great number, butyou know what?
I don't think she would behorrified by that number.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Right, it's fine.
I'm just going to add in here,though talking about crime and
actually doing something aboutcrime were two different things.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Correct, correct.
But again, you give her moreprops than I do.
No, I give her props because Idon't give her a lot of props,
let's not overstate this but butbut I do give her credit.
The problem is the legislature.
I've said it from the verybeginning that there should be a
much more of a concentration onthis from the legislature.
There isn't, and so she can dosome, but she has a bad
relationship with her ownlegislature, so that hurts too,
and so really it's not aproductive relationship.

(08:34):
I think, and in general inSanta Fe they have done an
incredible job at making thisstate incredibly dangerous and
they deserve the blame for it.
And while I agree she deservessome blame for it, obviously
trying to fight this, I agreeshe deserves some blame for it.
You know, obviously trying tofight this, I think, has helped
some of her numbers.
Again, they're not greatnumbers, but they're not.
They're not horrible.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Okay.
Well, let's talk about the twothat are really the most
prominent in the um, thedemocratic side running for
governor.
So let's look at Deb Hollandfirst.
Tell us a little bit about areyou surprised by her numbers?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
What do they look like to her?
Favorable is 40%.
She's above water.
40% to 36% Okay, so that numberto me is the number you get
when you are a well-knownpartisan politician, basically,
who doesn't have a lot of crossparty appeal.
Right, so that she's basicallyat 40%.
That number's fine.

(09:22):
Is she a juggernaut?
No, and if you looked at thatnumber and it was 55, you got a
problem, right, because thenyou're at all your Democratic
voters and you got a bunch ofindependents and a couple of
Republicans.
Right, she's not there, she'snot anywhere near there.
Right, her own party is 42% ofthe electorate.
Okay, right, so she's at 40%.
Favorable, it's okay.

(09:43):
She, okay, right, so she's at40%.
Favorable, it's okay, she'sfine.
And so it again.
It's not horrible.
But I would say if I'm her andI see those numbers, I am making
extra phone calls, gettingextra money in the bank and
working extra hard.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
If I see those numbers.
Okay, well, let's talk aboutshowboat Sam Bregman.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Showboat Sam, all right.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Showboat Sam, the guy with the black hat and the guy
that wears whatever hat you needhim to wear at the day that you
need to wear it, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Put the chaps on.
I'm there for you.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, go to the pride parade.
Go to the pride parade,whatever you need him to be
Whatever you need him to be.
Hey, he is whoever you need himto be.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Very true.
What these numbers show 33%favorable, 12% unfavorable is
people don't know him.
That's what those numbers tellyou.
Okay, okay, 33% in his ownparty.
And again, it's just, it's fine.
I guarantee you the far leftiesare going to have a problem
with him.
So these numbers if you'reBregman, you're like, I'm not

(10:31):
very well known, so he's goingto have to become more
well-known here and but you know, in some ways he's not, maybe
not as defined, but at the sametime he's trying to pull off
this routine of something foreverybody.
And ultimately, I think in thisday and age, in the world we
live in, what is key for apolitician or for someone who
wants to be a leader isauthenticity, and it is a

(10:54):
kryptonite for him.
He is anything but authentic,he just is.
He's that classic old schoolpolitician where you leave the
room going he's my guy, and thenhe goes into a room with
someone who has diametricallyopposed feelings to you and he's
their guy and you're like hecan't be both guys.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
He is an actor.
I feel like I still stand bythis.
What Stan Bregman needs to dois start his own show on Netflix
.
He needs to get a Netflix show.
He needs to be like the sheriffof Lincoln County or whatever
Like he needs to be.
You know he needs his own showbecause he's an actor.
Put him on that horse that he'son that ad where he's riding
out in town Lord knows wherethat guy's riding on the horse.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
He's trying to chase down Dow.
She's on the, so he's likewhere's Dow at?
You know, at least Dow waslegitimate staying on one side
of the issue.
Showboat goes both ways ohshowboat's all over the place.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
So yeah, okay.
So what we're seeing here,though, is like, really, at this
point, out of the Democrats,really, we're seeing that
Holland really still does havethe upper hand.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think with these numbers, yeah, broadly I mean I
do think that the mechanics of arace like this you know, guys
who try to be centrist in aDemocratic primary don't win,
that's just all there is to it.
It just doesn't happen.
And win, that's just all thereis to it.
It just doesn't happen.
And so I think that's whyHolland is still very much the
favorite in all of this.
I don't think she's unbeatable.
I think you look at thesenumbers and you say, hmm, she
could, she could collapse, but Idon't think she'll collapse in

(12:13):
the primary.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Okay, Okay, All right .
So another one that you knowwe've already said this that oil
and gas is still very much ourindustry here in New Mexico and
people are largely behind it.
These current poll numbers areshowing that, with a 65%
favorable here in the state ofNew Mexico.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Absolutely, and I think people have come to
realize and I think thishappened over the past seven,
eight years, where they've cometo realize that oil and gas is
the economic engine that drivesNew Mexico.
You can't do anything withoutit.
So to sit there and say we'regoing to stop oil and gas, we're
going to shut this thing down,or we're going to, we're going
to make all these rules you knowthat don't actually clean
anything up.
We have the cleanest oil andgas, you know extraction in the

(12:51):
world here and we it issomething to be incredibly proud
of here, and so what thesenumbers show you is people
realize that Right.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
But here's the thing.
Here's what's so tricky is youhave Holland, who is completely
against the oil and gas industry, so she's going to be the one
that's out there saying so farleft on environmental issues
that she's going to be trying tocrucify that industry.
How does somebody get elected?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
She's not going to do that.
She's going to say it's animportant part of the economy.
I want to make sure they'replaying by the rules.
I want to make sure that theykeep things clean and we need to
make sure we invest inrenewables.
She's going to play the she'sgoing to moderate.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Okay, she's going to play the middle, but she was the
Department of Interiorsecretary where they shut down
leasings for oil and gas land.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Absolutely Again, and that's she has that against her
.
I agree with you on that, andthe right messenger can wrap
that around.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Go ahead and tell everybody about that.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I will let you take over on that, but it is the
right right.
That's part of a comprehensivecampaign where she has some
vulnerability there Now.
Do I think people are going tovote on oil and gas as part of
the election?
No, I don't.
I don't think that's howthey're going to vote.
However, it is important and itdoes go to her sensibilities as
a candidate and you pointingout that how ridiculous it is

(14:04):
right and how dangerous it isfor the state and how, if she
got what she wanted, revenue tothe state of new mexico would
collapse right and as somebodythat was supposed to be a
representative of new mexicowhen she was the secretary of
the department of interior.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
She worked against those, she worked against the
state of new mexico in essencebecause she was part of the
leasing.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, well, no, but that was Biden.
I understand it was under Biden.
That's fine and all.
But she's not supposed torepresent New Mexico as head of
the interior.
She's supposed to represent theUnited States.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well, I understand that but she still is
representing.
Okay, our state is what?
The second largest of oil andgas in the country, right.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
So if you're in that position, do you not go and
explain that to Biden, that, hey, this is a massive industry.
She couldn't explain her wayout of a paper bag on this.
I mean, we've seen that.
Come on, she's not going to dothat.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Ok, I'm just saying, I just think that that's a big,
that's a big thorn in her side.
You're saying that's not goingto be an issue that voters are
going to care about.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Maybe I didn't say they're on oil and gas.
However, it's part of a largercampaign.
It is part of a larger campaignwhich is going to be to paint
her as somebody who is out oftouch with what it takes to run
the state of New Mexico and howimportant oil and gas is.
The fact that you have allthese surpluses that this
current administration has beenblessed with since the day they
got in.
It has been an unbelievablyfortunate situation that the
Southeastern portion of thestate has driven our economy and

(15:28):
has put us in a position to beable to provide for people in
the state of New Mexico in ahuge way, which is an incredible
blessing.
It really is.
So we'll see.
But anyway, the overalltakeaway her numbers aren't
particularly great.
Showboat Nobody really knowswho showboat is yet.
We'll see what happens withthat.
I think as they get to know him, the left side of the aisle in
his own party is going to.
They're going to eat him Likethey're.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
They're going to be the one who's going to get an
agent get a show.
Get that show going on Netflix.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
No, it'd be very solid Like a black and white
shot of tight of his face withthe black cowboy hat on, totally
yeah, and like his horse, whichis called the governor, I think
or governor or something.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Of course it is.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, so let's just.
Let's just call it showboat,like you just call it showboat.
You don't even call it showboat, sammy, you just call it
showboat.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Or showboat sheriff.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah Well, I mean, we'll just depend.
I'm not sure we're going tomake him the sheriff.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
We'll see what it is.
It he's in.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Lincoln County.
He's the sheriff.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Right, but you know what I mean.
Like he's up in Santa Fe.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
What's?

Speaker 3 (16:24):
he doing there?
Well, I mean, what's he doingthere?

Speaker 2 (16:26):
That's a really good question yeah, I don't really
know.
Okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
So another one that stood out to me this week Teresa
Ledger Fernandez.
Yeah, um, making this viralvideo right, really trying to
explain why she feels the needto talk about gerrymandering for
votes in Texas.
Yeah, like number one.
Why is she making this pointand does she recognize how bad

(16:54):
it?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
is in New Mexico, of the gerrymandering and what her
own party did here in this state.
We'll get to that.
Yeah, yeah, I don't.
I think she must, and shethinks you're dumb, like that's
what it is.
She thinks we're stupid.
So we want to start with herstatement here.
It's about a minute and a halflong.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Do we have to play the whole thing?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, I may cut it off.
I may cut it off.
So, ava, let's start with this.
We'll see how we do, and thenwe're going to just point out a
couple of inconvenient facts forour esteemed Congresswoman for
the third congressional district.
So let's go ahead and listen toTeresa Ledger Fernandez.
Learn us about gerrymandering.

Speaker 7 (17:29):
Republicans are terrified they're going to lose
the 2026 elections.
Voters are especially angry atthe big ugly bill which will
strip health care from 11million Americans, make children
go hungry, all to give taxbenefits to the billionaires.
One way of solving that problemis to actually respond to what

(17:53):
people like.
Pay attention to the cost ofliving, bring down the cost of
groceries and fuel and energy,but they're doing the opposite.
So because they're worried aboutlosing instead of actually
addressing the needs of theirvoters.
They're going to do somethingcalled gerrymandering,
redistricting, so that onlyRepublicans can win.

(18:16):
Now let me explain that alittle bit.
Trump has said hey, texas, Iwant five more congressional
seats.
Now how does a Republicangovernor and state legislature
actually give Trump five moreRepublican seats?
They do that by saying we aregoing to draw these district
lines for Congress in a way thatfavors Republicans and

(18:39):
basically silences Democrats andindependents.
And they've already done it.
Listen, in Texas right now thisis an interesting figure Texas
Republicans make up 37 percentof the voters.
Registered Republicans make up37 percent of voters in Texas,
but right now they hold 65percent of the congressional

(19:02):
districts.
They've done this throughgerrymandering.
Now, if Trump gets what hewants, this 37% of Republicans
in Texas will be able to have79% of the congressional
district.
This is not fair.
That's why voters everywhereare angry about the idea that

(19:24):
they are rigging the system.
They are rigging the elections.
They are taking away voters'right to choose their leaders.
Leaders should not be able tochoose their voters Voters
should not be able to choosetheir voters.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I mean, I can hardly watch it.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Honestly, I'm dying, I'm just dying.
So her point is she goes andgrabs Texas and says well, Texas
has a certain amount ofRepublican voters and they have
a higher percentage ofRepublicans representing those
seats Right.
And so it's a simple graphright here.
Ok, so basically in Texas, whatyou get is now 60, 64 percent

(20:01):
or so Republican representation.
Ok, interesting.
Well, I wonder how New Mexicostacks up.
Let's take a look.
Let's see New Mexico.
Democrats make up 42.3% of thevoters in the state.
Republicans make up 32.2, 10%spread.
By the way, that's going downsignificantly.
When we ran, it was a 14 pointspread.

(20:22):
It's now 10.
So it's getting closer.
In the state of New Mexico, bythe way Okay, well, that's weird
the congressionalrepresentation is 100 to zero.
Oh, so wait a minute.
So you're telling me Democratsmake up 42% of the voters and
they get 100% of ourcongressional representation
100%.
That the ratio far worse thanTexas, right here in New Mexico.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Right, and why is that Mark?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, here's why, christy, let's go back to 2020.
Okay, this is what ourcongressional map looked like.
Okay, let me just explain this.
The blue area is Albuquerque.
That's called congressionaldistrict one.
That's all the Albuquerquemetro area, basically, and then
out into Torrance County.
Okay, so what you're trying todo in congressional districts is
sort of group people togetherthat have similar sorts of

(21:11):
issues and similar sorts ofinterests.
Right, that makes sense.
So, across the northern part ofthe state, that was
congressional district three.
Then that's where Teresa LedgerFernandez was allegedly elected
.
Down south you can see that'sCongressional District 2.
Ok, so this was basically whatwe had, and for the most part
during the prior 10 years whenwe had this particular map, and

(21:34):
really 20 years when we had thisparticular map, you had a back
and forth between a Republicanand a Democrat in Albuquerque,
but that's gone Democrat now.
Ok.
So, and then down inCongressional District 2, the
Southern half of the state, thatwas pretty much Republican.
You'd occasionally get ademocratic winner.
Harry Teague won it once, andwe also had um Torres small win

(21:55):
it once.
Okay, so, so it happens hereand there, but for the most part
it was Republican.
And then to the North wasalways Democrat.
It was Bill Richardson, it wasTom Udall, it was Teresa Ledger
Fernandez, it was Benry Lujan,right, so so the North was
always, was always, democrat.
Okay, well, in 2021, theyredistricted.
Okay, let's take a look at themap now.
Here it is Teresa, okay.

(22:16):
So now talking about what shesaid about gerrymandering?
Okay, or gerrymandering eitherone, either one, whatever you
want to call it, doesn't matter.
There's Jarrah Jones, who'sowner of the Cowboys People call
him Jarrah.
So I get it.
I understand what she's talkingabout doing the Texas twang.
I get it, but all right.
So here's what.
Here's what happened.
Now Albuquerque has been split.
Okay, so the whole idea herewas the Democrats said we are

(22:40):
going to take CD2 away fromRepublicans.
Right, that's what they did.
So if you look, one area onthis map has three different
colors in it.
One quadrant of the state hasthree different colors in it.
What quadrant is that?
the southern part, thesoutheastern part of the state.
Why would they do that?

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They want to carve upRepublican votes and put them in
three different districts, notin one Right, Right.
So now Albuquerque CD1, notonly includes Albuquerque, but
it includes Rudoso, which, ofcourse, is very much like
Albuquerque, I mean reallyreally close.
Why did they do that?
Because they knew Albuquerque'svotes could overwhelm Rudoso's

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votes.
So Rudoso, very Republican,east Central New Mexico very
Republican.
So they just extended it outthere and watered down the
Republican votes in theSoutheast.
Then they take District 2,right, the one that they wanted
to cheat with, okay.
So they said, oh, let's pull inthe South Valley of Albuquerque

(23:45):
to CD2.
Why would you do that?
Because the South Valley ofAlbuquerque is Democrat, right,
and you take that away.
And then you start to slideover and you pull out of that
district places like thenorthern portion of Lee County,
roswell, up through the eastside of the state.
You pull it all out.
So therefore they went and madesure that that district became

(24:05):
a lot more blue.
And then Teresa's districtright, she used to be just the
northern half of the state.
Now they dip her down into thesoutheast because they knew they
had enough votes so they couldpull a few Democrats out of her
district and put it intodistrict two.
So the very thing she talksabout for Texas and not knowing

(24:26):
what she's talking about, sheknows this happened in New
Mexico, right?
And, by the way, this mapyou're seeing here in the
congressional, the UScongressional seats.
That's one thing.
It's even worse on the statelevel.
Ok, our House and Senate seatsare gerrymandered to the hilt so
that Democrats never lose power.
So she is advocating for thevery thing she knows she's done.

(24:48):
Why?
Because she thinks you'restupid.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, she thinks you don't have any idea.
And I just remember, veryspecifically, yvette Harold had
district two, she was CD two,right, they do this
gerrymandering, this wholereworking of the map, and she
loses Right, she loses the seat.
And so I'm just thinking allright, teresa, do you think that
we for I mean, it was that wasin 2021.
The election was in 2022.
Do you think that we're thatdumb that we have forgotten that
?
Like that's really I can'tbelieve that she's sitting there

(25:12):
lecturing on Texas, right andthe manipulation of voters over
there, when this is like NewMexico is like the exact example
of how to do this.
Like this is this is exactlywhat the Democrats did in our
state.
So I just think she must thinkthat we're all dumb and don't
know that I guess she does.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
She does and, and you know she sits there and goes
through her little routine andthen says you know she goes and
says you know, elected officialsshouldn't be able to choose
their voters.
That's exactly what she's done,that's exactly what they've
done, and they've tried to pushpeople out.
So my problem with people likeher is that, look, I get that
you've taken advantage ofgerrymandering.

(25:52):
Yes, there is gerrymandering inTexas, there is gerrymandering
in Illinois, there'sgerrymandering across the
country.
It does happen, but to have thegall to sit up there and
butcher your way through atwo-minute statement on
something that you know youyourself are doing is the height
of absolute gaslighting and itjust is terrible.

(26:14):
And this is what I can't stand.
We don't have to agree on theissues, but don't be a dirtball
who goes and says things thatare just flat out something that
you're doing.
We make the point all the time.
They always say the oppositeside is what they themselves are
doing all the time, and this iswhat she's doing.
Yeah, and it's embarrassing whenyou see her and you see our

(26:34):
representation.
Vasquez is an embarrassment andso is Melanie Stansberry when
you look back at therepresentation we used to have,
both Republican and Democrat, inthe state of New Mexico.
We had people of consequence.
We did.
We no longer do.
We are a joke.
We are a joke and things likethis are a joke.
Grow up and realize what yourresponsibility is and fight for

(26:55):
the people who elected you.
Stop gaslighting everybody,stop going out there and saying,
well, look what they're doing,look what they're doing when you
know yourself you've done it.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, like you look up the example in dictionary of
gerrymandering, it'd be like NewMexico.
Follow what New Mexico did,verbatim, and you'll win every
single seat, 100% representation.
We'll go to one side of theaisle.
So okay, and here's thequestion is, we can't get out of
this right.
We can't change these districtsagain until the next census,
2030.
Which is in 2030.

(27:24):
You bet Right?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
So we're stuck with this until 2030.
I'll tell you, it would be veryhelpful to have a governor that
understood what was going on in2030 to be able because by 2031
is when you'll adopt the mapand you need a governor who's
going to stand up and say nomore, no more.
And you need a governor who'sgoing to stand up and say no
more, no more of this garbage.
It's very simple.
It's very simple.
You do the Albuquerque metroarea, you do the north, you do
the south, I mean really.
And now much more detail getsinto the state house races and

(27:49):
things like that.
That's different.
That's much more of a deep diveinto the crevices of different
places and roads cutting hereand valleys cutting there, and
how it all works.
But I will say it's very simple.
We had fairly fair districtsbefore this and now gone.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
They're all gone.
Yes, absolutely Okay.
Well, speaking of just moregaslighting and more, just hey,
let me, let me come up withsomething to say that's bad
about Trump this week and make aviral video.
We got our own gubernatorialcandidate, deb Haaland.
She's coming out harsh againstTrump and she's fighting
fighting for education rights ofour kids, just so you know.
So be warned that nobody'sgoing to get through her right

(28:28):
Nobody.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Okay, well, let's listen to what she has to say
then we'll react.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Hey, everyone.
I'm not sure if everyone sawthe news, but President Trump is
holding back $44 million fromNew Mexico schools.
That means that schools will beforced to make tough choices
and our kindergartners, gradeschool kids and high schoolers
will bear the burden.
It means fewer teachers becauseof hiring freezes, canceled

(28:53):
programs and boys and girlsclubs across the country could
close more than 900 centers andI know kids in Albuquerque,
milwaukee, farmington and ruralcommunities across the state go
to Boys and Girls Clubs afterschool while their parents are
at work.
All of this while giving thewealthiest people huge tax

(29:14):
breaks.
Our congressional delegationand Attorney General are already
on the case.
They've called out PresidentTrump and they've demanded the
release of this funding.
But I want to call this what itis Trump is stealing money from
our kids just two weeks beforethey head back to school after
the summer as governor, okay, soobviously she has.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Okay, we give her credit for one thing here, okay
so, wait, hold on Once you talkabout whether this is actually
true or not.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well, okay, all right .

Speaker 2 (29:43):
And then we'll get to her approach.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Okay, all right, and hopefully you guys could hear
Okay, we had some audio problemswith that.
Well, no, it's just lower.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's just when she released it, it was lower.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
It up, okay, so hopefully you guys can hear a
little bit of that.
But okay, so she's basicallysaying we're going to fight back
against all these educationcuts and that all this money
that Trump is grabbing back fromour kids, right?
Well, here's what turns out tobe a hard.
A hard pass for this particularvideo is basically the
education department released 5billion of all that funding,
right?
So they basically just havereleased all that fund.
There's no holding back onthese funds anymore, deb Haaland
.
So some of the details here.
It says the Department ofEducation announced Friday the

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release of more than $5 billionof funding to schools after an
almost month-long pause.
At the beginning of July, theTrump administration paused the
typical release of almost $7billion in funding to schools.
That went towards after-schooland summer activities, classes
for English learners and adults,teachers preparing teacher
preparation programs, amongother things.
And then it says last week theadministration released more

(30:49):
than one billion for afterschooland summer programs but
declined to say when the restwould be released.
Going on here a little bit more,it says basically the
Republicans were very quick tocelebrate the release Benny had
fought for.
West Virginia Republican SenatorShelley Moore, capito and Jim
Justice quickly reacted to thenews.
Capito had led an effortamongst Senate Republicans

(31:11):
earlier this month to push forthe funding of the release
Exciting news to announce Allfrozen education funding for the
upcoming school year have beenreleased.
And it goes on to talk aboutmore things there.
But basically the White Houseargued the funds were paused
because some money was going toradical left-wing agenda.
They wanted to slow down thatprocess and make sure that the
funding was actually goingtowards education or these

(31:33):
programs in a good way, and sothe final quote in here which I
wanted to read was that we arepleased public schools will
receive the funding asappropriated by Congress for the
2526 school year, on the heelsof our survey released Thursday
or Tuesday detailing howdisruptive withholding these
funds would be for our nationstudents.
We thank our members and allieson the Hill.
So basically, the Hill did thislike survey and they wanted.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, that was the superintendent of school saying
that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
But yeah.
So anyway no-transcriptRepublican in the state of New

(32:27):
Mexico.
She's running against Trump andshe's going to demonize
anything he does.
It doesn't matter if it's trueor not what she says, she
doesn't care, she never wants.
She can't do two things shecan't mention her Democratic
opponent, OK.
She can't mention Bregman, andthen she really doesn't want to
talk about a Republican opponenteither.
I mean, she'll.
She'll tie them to Trump andwhenever that person gets

(32:48):
nominated, whatever.
But so she'll do that, but sheis going to run purely against
Trump.
This is her path to victory.
This is what she's going to doand again, she'll demagogue
everything and make sure thatit's.
It doesn't matter if it's true,it just doesn't matter.
She will regularly say thingsthat aren't true.
That doesn't matter.
Her whole thing is run againstTrump, run him down and then
have her be the person who'sgoing to come to the rescue here

(33:09):
, Cause remember, she's runningafter eight years of a Democrat
where you've had crime skyrocket, homelessness skyrocket, our
violence in the state.
We're not the number one mostviolent state in the country.
Worst education system in thecountry.
We are now the second worststate in the country for
violence against police officers.
That's all the.
That's.
That's where we are as a state.
You can't run on that, Like youcan't run on that record.

(33:30):
That record is horrendous,right?
So you have to run againstTrump, and so that's what she's
going to have to do.
So we'll see if she, if she'ssuccessful in it.
But I will tell you, this iswhere she, if you're her
political advisors, this iswhere they're going to tell her
to be.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Well, because they're going to keep telling her like
let's just make this all aboutTrump.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
No question.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
We don't want to deal with the actual issues in your
state because if we can avoidthose, then you don't have to
talk about how the failings thatyour party has had.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
And plus she, Well she could?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
It's not like solutions aren't unknowable.
There's no question.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
There's no question.
But that's not her wheelhouse.
Her wheelhouse is going to bestay away from specifics and
just hit Trump.
So I'm just telling you thiswas more effective than she goes
to Taos and has a meal in Taosand talks about how she likes
eating.
You know food.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Just like if you're, if you're her, you're, you're
going this route.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Now again, don't do that, just like if you're her,
you're going this route nowagain, there are a lot of ways
in which she can be exposed forthat, but this is what she's
going to do.
This is where she's kind of inher wheelhouse.
Perhaps she should wait longerthan two weeks to see what the
government's actually going todo with certain things before
she makes a video.
No, no, no, she doesn't looklike an idiot no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
She doesn't look like an idiot.
Not to her, not to her voters,no way she wants to make as much
of this as she can say.
She's going to say it.
Yeah, absolutely, like shedoesn't care that it doesn't
turn out to be true.
It doesn't matter.
Truth doesn't matter, hello, itdoesn't matter if what she says
is true or not.
Like, that's one lesson youlearn.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
And I think that's what's so frustrating is I
really hope that voters arepaying more attention to what's
true.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
They may well look.
They may well eventually lookat her and say, you know, she
doesn't really seem to get itRight.
I mean, they may well do that,but right now we now live in a
post-truth political world whereyou can say whatever you want.
If you're her Now, could I dothat?
No, of course not.
I would be attacked the secondI went out and said something
that wasn't true.

(35:16):
I'd get attacked by the mediain a second.
Right, if we ever did it, if weever ran an ad that wasn't true
, like Michelle had to pull anad down that she had.
I mean, it just wasn't true,and so if we ever did that,
they'd freak out, right.
They'd melt down and be like ohmy gosh, you know, so it goes
one way.
There's no question about that.
So she can say whatever shewants whenever she wants, and

(35:45):
the media is not going to followup on this.
No, we're not going to startdoing that Anyway, okay, all
right.
So part of the reason, though,that this is tricky going
forward here in the midtermelection is because of voter
especially, you know, voteranger on one side or another.
Like it's just how it works,and so if you look here, the
latest numbers are out on whichvoters are more fired up to vote
in this election.
We go back to October 2022,republicans in the Biden midterm

(36:05):
, republicans were more fired upto vote than Democrats.
And then in July of 2025,democrats are much more fired up
than our Republicans.
I want to show you this graphbecause it's interesting and I
think more interesting than 2022is 2024.
So if you look at the red line,that's Republicans, you know.
You know how fired up they areto vote Right.

(36:25):
And those numbers in 2024,which is the presidential, was
up around 75 percent, right.
I mean much higher thanDemocrats, right.
And then now look what'shappened to Republicans.
It starts to go down.
Democratic enthusiasm goes wayup.
This is just one of the manyreasons, and we've talked about
a bunch of them.
One is that it's much easier toattack a sitting president and

(36:48):
just say he's doing it terriblyand just say he's cutting,
cutting to everybody, and he'sgiving tax breaks to
billionaires, even though thetax breaks are the most evenly
distributed in the history ofthe country and, in fact, 90% of
Americans got a tax break, withmost significant tax breaks
going to lower income and middleincome families.
Like that's a lie to say thatthe Trump tax cuts are for the
rich.
It's just not true.

(37:08):
It's an absolute lie.
However doesn't matter, ofcourse, but as you, as you
attack these things, it's mucheasier to attack, and then, when
your voters are more fired up,this makes it a tough climb If
you're a Republican running inone of these midterm races.
I still think there are goingto be some really close races,
for a variety of reasons thatwe've talked about, that
Democrats don't have a plan.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
What do they stand for?
What does it mean?
They all stand for just Trumpbad, Trump bad, Trump bad.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Right, right, but anyway, it just makes.
It shows you how high the hillcan be to climb.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
OK, the Democratic Party this week kind of stepped
in it a little bit.
They put out a tweet basicallysaying US grocery prices reached
record highs in 2025.
Prices are higher today thanthey were in July of 24, all in
major categories listed below.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
But then look at the actual graph.
If it go down to October of2021 and then to October of 2022
, that's Biden administration.
They got roasted on thisbecause look at the line
skyrocket between 2021 and 2022.
And so they had to literallypull the tweet down because they

(38:14):
got roasted so badly thateverything started to come back
down again price-wise.
But under their administrationthat's when it exploded.
It's just one of those thingswhere you just go what are you
doing?
Like when you look at thesenumbers, you're like what are
you putting out?

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Like what is this?
So, just they just want to blame, they want to keep the blame
going, so okay.
So Dan Bongino has come under alot of um, he's the talk of the
town and a lot of things,especially with the Epstein case
.
Now that this Russiagate issuethat's been coming out and
bubbling under and kind of, youknow, exploding under Tulsi
Gabbard's press conferences andit's interesting that he's now

(38:48):
taking this, he's like I'm goingto put out my own statement
because we kind of haven't hearda ton from him specifically,
right, and he's pretty fiery guy.
So I thought this was aninteresting tweet that he put
out this week.
It says during my tenure hereas the deputy director of the
FBI, I've repeatedly relayed toyou that things are happening
that might not be immediatelyvisible, but they are happening.

(39:10):
The director and I are committedto stamping out public
corruption and the politicalweaponization of both law
enforcement and intelligenceoperations.
Law enforcement andintelligence operations it is a
priority for us, but what I havelearned in the course of our
properly predicated andnecessary investigations into
these aforementioned matters hasshocked me down to my core.
We cannot run a republic likethis.

(39:31):
I'll never be the same.
After learning what I'velearned, we are going to conduct
these righteous and properinvestigations by the book and
in accordance with the laws,we're going to get the answers
we all deserve.
As with any investigation, Icannot predict where it will
land, but I can promise you anhonest and dignified effort at
the truth not quote my truth orquote your truth, but the truth.

(39:56):
God bless America and all thosewho defend her Respectfully.
Dan Pretty, you know, I think,because you kind of come, come
under like where have you beenon some of these issues?
You were super fiery about allthis for years leading up to you
taking this new position.
Where does you stand?
Obviously he's saying listen,you guys have to trust the
process.
We're handling it, we'relooking into this and we're

(40:17):
going to come up with someresults.
I thought that was a prettyeffective statement.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I think it is, and it's going to get to the Epstein
stuff.
It's going to get to a lot ofstuff.
So we don't have any Epsteinstuff today or any Russia gate
stuff.
But the reason we kind of putthis in and instead to be able
to say there's stuff going on,the question is, what's how it's
, how's it going to play out?
And I agree it.

(40:44):
We'll see what ends uphappening with it and see how it
all plays out.
But I have no doubt that whathe's seeing right now is
probably shocking him, and it'simportant that we get an FBI and
an intelligence community thatserves the people of this
country and stops serving thosein power to weaponize
intelligence.
And it's happened and we'vewatched it decay.
And it's happened and we'vewatched it decay.
And I will make the argumentonce again that when you have a
media structure who only caresabout holding one side to

(41:05):
account, the other side can runcrazy and, believe me, if it
could go the other way too.
So we have to absolutely getsome answers here and we need a
country that's accountable, andwe don't have leaders that are
accountable right now.
We just don't.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
So some crazy times at an Albuquerque public school
board meeting on July 16thsomething we did not necessarily
think that was fireworks likethis would be happening, but
basically there was aconversation with the board
about another member of theboard being out on maternity
leave and missing some meetings,and it got.
Things got really kind of spicybetween Heather Benavides and

(41:43):
Vice President Courtney Jackson,who we know personally and
we're big fans of hers.
But basically what happened issome questions and answers start
getting thrown about in thismeeting and then things go a
little awry.
So we're going to show you alittle video first and then
we'll get your take on this.
So we're going to show you alittle video first and then
we'll get your take on this,because I think this goes so far

(42:03):
south so quickly that it'sreally it's a shame, honestly.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, okay, so here's a story that Jessica Garate did
for KRQE, and then we'll talkabout it after.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Vacation meeting for Wednesday, july 16th 2025.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
During last week's APS school board meeting,
members followed along on theirlaptops as they gave results of
a self-evaluation.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
I scored us a zero and it was based on poor
attendance.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Board member Heather Benavides called out the board
on attendance, which thensparked a debate about one
member who has missed manymeetings while on maternity
leave member who has missed manymeetings while on maternity
leave, but during that periodthis board member did attend one

(42:50):
meeting, so was she on leave ornot?
Benavides' husband was followingthe meeting and sent a text to
his wife which popped up inlarge print on her laptop.
Someone took this photo thathas been circulating.
Krqe News 13 obtained thepicture.
Her husband writes a vulgarmessage about board member
Courtney Jackson.
It says Courtney is a C word,which Benavides likes, and

(43:14):
writes back a stupid one at that.
He goes on to say there is nomaternity leave.
And Benavides writes what acrock of the s-word.
Jackson sent a statement sayingin part she was made aware of
the comment and reached out toBenavides to address what was
clearly a hurtful andinappropriate personal attack.

(43:35):
Jackson writes what was ondisplay that night was
disappointing and lacked theintegrity we each committed to
when we took this role.
No one said we always have toagree, but we do owe one another
respect.
She goes on to say we are rolemodels for the district.
Disparaging comments only bringdown the important work we're

(43:56):
here to do.
And Jackson says though theyspoke, benavides did not
apologize, which is unfortunate.
Benavides also sent a statementsaying in part During the
meeting, an unfortunate breachof my privacy occurred when
someone took a photo of mycomputer screen capturing a
private conversation without myknowledge or consent.

(44:18):
She also writes Without myknowledge or consent.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
She also writes I am committed to moving forward and
will not allow distractions oractions that seek to undermine
my integrity or dedication todetract from the important work.
Okay, first of all, a couplethings.
Her husband, ms Benavidez'shusband, is Joshua Sanchez.
He is the chief BernalilloCounty judge.
Okay, just a few things on thisthat are infuriating to me.

(44:53):
You know, look, people saythings in private texts that can
be really coarse and horrendous, private texts that can be
really coarse and horrendous.
That's a horrendous thing tosay.
Okay, I make no excuses forthat for them.
I think it's terrible.
But what I find most offensivefrom them both of them, by the
way, because I don't think hesaid a word is the fact that

(45:14):
Benavides goes out and thenturns herself into the victim.
She immediately, instead ofsaying you know what I screwed
up and I'm sorry, I shouldn'thave done that, I took away from
the good work we're doing, itwill not happen again.
And she calls Courtney and saysCourtney, I blew it, I'm really
sorry.
Show some sense of you, somesense of humility to be able to

(45:42):
say you made a mistake.
Instead, she just immediatelyturns it and shows exactly who
she is, which is someone ofhorrendous character who would
issue a statement like that.
You do what you did.
You may not have liked havingyour privacy violated, but you
were not being targeted for anywork that you're doing.
You and your husband went outthere and took a cheap shot and

(46:05):
then, when you got caught, youdoubled down and decided you
were going to be a jerk about it, and your husband should be
embarrassed for what he did.
Now, joshua Sanchez is familiarto the political world.
His dad was a senator down inValencia County.
Michael Sanchez, his dad was asenator down in Valencia County.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Michael Sanchez.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Michael Sanchez, one of the biggest opponents to
strong laws to keep people safein the state of New Mexico.
Breonna's law voted against.
It stood in the way of it.
He actually stood in the way oftrying to hold pedophiles
accountable.
This guy is bad news and asValencia County moved to the

(46:43):
right, he went up and ended uplosing his Senate seat.
Thankfully for the people ofthe state of New Mexico, he no
longer gets to torture us in thelegislature by trying to make
our laws completely and totallyso lax that everybody's in
danger.
He's been horrible on that, andso his son coming in and using

(47:04):
that kind of language with hiswife acting the way they did
shows exactly who they are, andit's a bummer.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Well, they just they're acting like they're so
smart, Like they're the smartestpeople in the world.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Oh, I know they're so smart and heaven forbid if
Courtney actually asked aquestion that other people think
you know.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I mean, give me a break, like if she asked a
question.
I don't know the whole gist ofthis whole thing, but I know
that what this response by thisjudge should be horrified.
He should have made a statementimmediately apologizing because
you should never use thatlanguage, ever.
I don't know if there's a worstword that you call a woman, by
the way, I agree and so, butthey care about women word that
you call a woman, by the way, Iagree and so, but they care
about women.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I mean, honestly, benavides going in there saying
you don't get, you don't get anysort of leave, oh okay,
champion of women.
So so she gets some leave, bigdeal.
And these just shows you whatkind of phonies they really are.
They don't care about leaving,care about women.
They're not having kids andsaying, wait a minute, let's
adjust the schedule so we canhave someone who's maybe having
a child.
They can still have a role inthis.
Maybe we do that.

(48:05):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Absolutely not.
This is all BS.
To be able to go and take timeoff to have a kid.
Give me a break.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
And I'm sorry I have to say this because I know
Courtney, and Courtney is a veryhard worker and she is a
widower and she has twodaughters she's raising on her
own.
She's had a hell of a year,right and honestly.
For these people to call herthat, for Heather and her
husband, this chief judge,joseph, or whatever his name, is
Joshua, joshua To say thisabout another woman who has gone

(48:34):
through hell and back, is Ijust think it's Well, it just
shows exactly who they are.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
It's such a lack of character.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
It just shows exactly who they are.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's exactly what they are.
But again, look at how Courtneyhandled it with complete and
total grace and exactly how youwant a leader to handle
something.
But make no mistake whenleaders show you who they are,
believe them Right, and theyshould be embarrassed.
And it's again.
It'd be one thing if they hadsaid shoot, we made a mistake,

(49:02):
we screwed this up and we arereally sorry.
That would tell you somethingabout their character.
But the fact that they didn't,the fact that Benavides tries to
turn herself into the victim,and then chief judge decides,
I'm not going to say a word.
Okay, champ, you guys are whatyou are and I just it's
disgusting.
I just I mean the leadership,the lack of leadership is

(49:24):
embarrassing.
They're embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
And they've been in public service for years.
So that's why this is no,they're not in public service.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
They're in personal service and they're in the power
game.
That's what they're in.
They're not in public service.
I would like to think that,because if you looked at Joshua
Sanchez's career, you could sayyou know what the judge has gone
through the process?
That is public service.
I would agree.
No, it's not Not.
When you start seeing this,then you realize it's not about

(49:51):
public service.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
but you know he thinks he's the smartest guy.
I remember, uh, and I'll letyou tell what you want to tell
of this story.
We did a lot of 4th of Julyparades during your race,
Governor, and we did theValencia County 4th of July and
you had your own personalexperience with the Sanchez
family.
Oh my gosh, I did so I want youto tell what you feel
comfortable telling on this.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Okay.
So it was the July 4th paradedown in Valencia County, which
it was a 2022 campaign forGovernor.
Now Valencia County has swungred.
It is one of the best Like.
When you go to do any eventsand you do them in Valencia
County, they're the best.
Whether it be Los Lunas orBerlin, they are just.
This is a county where peoplehave just realized wait a minute
, we were heading in the wrongdirection.
Put our foot in the ground, dosomething different.

(50:31):
So we go on the 4th of Julyparade for Valencia County.
It's great you go through.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
Main Street.
You do a whole deal it was somuch fun.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Well, I'm with Greg Baca, who ended up beating
Michael Sanchez, thankfully forthe Senate seat.
Greg and I are going down theroad and Greg points at a house
off to the left.
He goes you should go say heyto them.
It was a really cool, nicelittle house, like it was.
Actually it was kind of a likea craftsman style, really
beautiful little home.
And there are all these peoplelined up on the deck cheering

(50:58):
and I'm like, oh, of course I gorunning up there, all on the
deck cheering, and I'm like, oh,of course I go running up there
.
All of the sudden, theexpression on every one of their
faces were like they'd seen aghost as I'm shaking all their
hands, they're put their handsout and they just you could tell
they they couldn't believe Iwas shaking their hands.
And I and I and I look in theback and it's Michael Sanchez's

(51:19):
house with all his family andI'm like shaking all their hands
like I'm their best friend.
And they're looking at me likeif we could kill this guy right
now, we would.
But they had to kind of be like, oh, hey, and they didn't honor
it.
So then I leave, I go back toBach, I'm like, what was that he
goes?
Oh yeah, you're right, it wasMichael Sanchez's place.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Thanks, a lot, greg, it was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
So, yeah, we've had a , we've got a couple of moments,
but uh, but yeah, it was, itwas uh interesting.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
I just think this whole thing whatever you know,
courtney, you're doing a greatjob.
It's a thankless job a lot oftimes and we appreciate the
folks that are showing up to beon the APS board.
The school boards matter.
They're very important workthat people are doing, so thanks
for all the time that you'reputting into that.
So let's shift gears a littlebit, talking again about Rio
Doso Flooding again last week,thursday.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
This is what it looked like.
If you can pray for the peoplethere, offer any help possible.
I mean, this is justunbelievable More flooding down
the Rio Doso and you can see abuilding just kind of sliding
right on down.
It looks like it is some sortof trailer that came off its
foundation and got swept downagain.
We've got a shot again at moreof this sort of thing later on

(52:27):
this coming week.
So be thinking about them, beoffering prayers.
There's a lot of places you cango to to offer help.
They're just trying so hard tokeep their feet underneath them.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
It is not easy to rebuild there, which is really
tough for them.
Um, okay, so let's get to alittle bit of our viewer mail.
This first one came in a littlespicy and I actually,
unfortunately, I cut off thename.
I'm so sorry, frank Valdez.
Okay, thank you, eva,appreciate it, okay.
So this one came in.
It says why doesn't Markaddress the issue of pedophiles

(52:55):
in the Epstein list?
Is he not disturbed thatthey're being protected?
Has party loyalty and Trumptaken precedence over children,
over God, over the law?
It's heartbreaking to see whatthe Republican Party has become.
No, I take that back.
This isn't the Republican Party.
This is a MAGA fraction.
There's still two Republicansout there, so I wanted to let
you, if you wanted to saysomething about this comment, no
.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
I think it's fine to release it.
I just don't.
It isn't my number one priority, isn't Jeffrey Epstein's list.
My number one priority isn'tJeffrey Epstein's list.
My number one priority isproviding a structure where
people can flourish in thiscountry, and there's a million
other priorities.
But I get it.
I totally get it.
Great, bring it out.
I don't care.
I care if the whole.
There is no Epstein list, but ifthere's more Epstein

(53:34):
information, sure, go for it.
I don't care Absolutely.
And actually there are peoplethat need to be arrested, then
arrest them.
I mean, we've had thisinformation.
You act like it's new.
Like here comes all this newinformation that's just come
into the DOJ.
What are you talking about?
The guy died in 2019.
Like, this is six years ago.
What do you think's there?
And if you want to release itall, that's great, go for it.

(53:55):
I don't care at all.
So this has nothing to do withMAGA or anything else.
Maga are the ones who want itout.
By the way, so don't go blamingMAGA, because if you really
talk about this, people on theMAGA side are like, yeah, we're
not going to let this go Right,which is fine.
I'm just saying to me I justhave other priorities that I

(54:16):
think are important, but Itotally get it and I fully
support it.
Get it out there.
Whatever you want to do, restwhoever you want.
That's good with me, and Ithink if the Bongino stuff folds
into this and we start gettingsome real answers, great.
And wherever it leads, go forit, because it's going to lead
to some Republicans too, right.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Absolutely.
I think that's for sure goingto happen OK.
Kimberly says Obama, hillary andthe intelligence colluded to
take out a duly electedpresident.
That's called sedition.
It's worse than just gettingBiden elected.
It caused so much chaos thatPresident Trump was hamstrung
24-7 from getting anything done.
Those first two years, or evenbeyond, the Republicans lost
Congress in the 2018 midterms.
It's really galling that Obamamade that statement yesterday

(54:54):
saying it's irrefutable thatRussia did help elect Trump,
because after two years of a $40million Mueller investigation,
they found no evidence ofRussian interference.
And yet still to this day,every Democrat still thinks it's
true and Obama repeated thatagain in his current statement.
It's unbelievable.
So that was in response to lastweek, our last episode.

(55:15):
Okay, raccoon, little bear,she's having or he's having, I
don't know if it this is a womanor a guy, but they're having a
little issue with you us usingharry inton's um uh polling
right numbers.
He does on cnn.
I've never seen a more acted.
I told you this.
When we show his videos, he canmake a poll, or, you know, seem
very exciting.
Yeah no he doesn't but hold on.

(55:37):
Let me read the comment okay,sorry, yeah, yeah she said.
They say there are three typesof lies lies, damn lies and
statistics.
From Mark Twain going to CNNfor stats is like Stephen
Colbert for political advice.
So I wanted to give you anopportunity to respond to that.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Look, I think you have to remember the numbers we
pick off of CNN.
When we do it Usually, I wantto make sure that they're
accurate.
We look at who does the pollingand everything else.
Most of those numbers, I think,are really interesting and when
they make sense, we use themJust because they may say Trump
may not be as strong here orthere or whatever.
I don't not show those othernumbers and say are you looking

(56:23):
at certain numbers that aretrending in other areas?
And so Harry Anton does a reallygood job.
He doesn't get particularlypolitical and so, yes, he's on
CNN.
So there's that, I get it.
But at the same time I'm notjust going to go grab Fox News
stuff every time or whatever.
And a lot of the numbers heuses they use on other networks
too.
So I just think he ends upbeing a decent, relatively
honest broker.
He doesn't always say what Iwant to hear, there's no

(56:43):
question.
But at the same time I thinkit's important that we bring you
numbers as they are going into2026.
It's going to be tough.
It's going to be tough, it'sjust the way it is in the
midterm of a presidentialadministration.
It just so to think that it'snot and to think it's going to
be some rolling, here come theRepublicans in the 2026 midterms
.
It's not, it's not, it's goingto be hard, so that's all.

(57:06):
So I just want to tell you thetruth, that's all.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Okay, so, as the uh, you know, I ran a PR firm for
almost 25 years and I have tosay, uh, this PR move done this
week by the group astronomerright, which let's back up, this
astronomer was the group, theCEO and the head of HR were the
ones that were caught at aColdplay.
Canoodling, Canoodling on theJumbotron.

(57:29):
They both since have left andhave resigned from the company.
Yes, but obviously how many ofus actually had heard of
astronomer before this all wentdown?
Right, Right.
So in the genius this is PRgenius that they've done this.
I think Now, when you go toAstronomer, you're going to see
no other than Gwyneth Paltrow,who is the former wife of Chris

(57:50):
Martin from Coldplay, making avery important announcement
about the company, and we wantedto play it for you.

Speaker 6 (57:59):
Thank you for your interest in Astronomer.
Thank you for your interest inAstronomer.
Hi, I'm Gwyneth Paltrow.
I've been hired on a verytemporary basis to speak on
behalf of the 300-plus employeesat Astronomer.
Astronomer has gotten a lot ofquestions over the last few days
and they wanted me to answerthe most common ones.
Yes, astronomer is the bestplace to run Apache Airflow,

(58:23):
unifying the experience ofrunning data ML and AI pipelines
at scale.
We've been thrilled.
So many people have a newfoundinterest in data workflow
automation.
As for the other questionswe've received….
Yes, there is still roomavailable.
At our Beyond Analytics eventin September, we will now be

(58:44):
returning to what we do bestdelivering game-changing results
for our customers.
Thank you for your interest inAstronomer.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
And so if you're only listening to our show and you
can't see the video of that, itmay not be as funny to you.
But there's pop-ups that arecoming on that are saying like—
the questions.
The questions that they'reshowing on the screen are like
what the actual app is happening, and then like, how's your
social media team doing?
And so her answers are allabout the company and not about
what people are actually dyingto know.

(59:13):
I thought it was genius.
I think it's funny.
I think that the tie in betweenGwyneth Paltrow and Chris
Martin.
I have no idea what they paidher to do this, but it couldn't
have been cheap to get her on inlike a moment's notice.
So I actually think it couldhave been even funnier if it was
Chris Martin doing it, but Istill think that that could have
been.
Oh, I don't think he would havedone it either but I think it
was better with her you doAbsolutely.

(59:35):
Yeah, like they're tag teaming.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, like almost like she's rebutting him, like
he exposed him, and she's like,yeah, calm down here, like
here's what we really do.
I think it was really good.
I just it was, it was genius,it was a good that's where you
lean into these things and besuper smart about the way you
respond to them and not beingdefensive fast.
Yeah, so fast, cause we talkedabout this Cold Play a week ago
but think of the mood, of whatthat was and what makes it so

(59:59):
valuable, which is it wasn'tdefensive, right, it was leaning
into it, appreciating the humorand then the pivot Right, right
.
That's what's so good.
It's a lesson you can learn inpolitics too, which is you know
arguing back.
You know you get all angry anda lot sometimes it's like uh, eh
, eh, and then you kind of turnit and the best people can feel

(01:00:19):
those things and the bestcompanies can feel those things,
you know, absorb them and thenpivot.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yeah, which was I mean.
We did it on a very, very minorscale compared to that with
mean tweets, but it was liketrying to find a little fun with
it.
Yeah, I have a little fun withthe I still miss mean tweets.
I mean we get plenty of them.
We should still have Ella joinus for me.
I mean we should, we can justturn in the comments from the
show now.
Okay, you've been dying to showSunday game day video.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, I know.
So yesterday, all of a sudden,I'm on my phone, I get an alert
from my camera and this one's inthe middle of the woods, up at
about 11,000 feet in Angel Fire,and this big guy shows up.
Look at this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
And explain for our people, who are listening, what
you're actually seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
This is an elk with a massive, massive rack.
I mean this is a bull elk.
That is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yeah, he's healthy too he is.
He looks great.
He's been eating all year long.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Oh, I mean, he's just like.
I mean the fur, I mean thewhole situation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah, he's got a shiny coat.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Number two yeah, his clip number two, abe.
Yeah, and so then he's justeating here.
You know, he's just lookingaround, but I mean, just a
gorgeous still got the, the furon there too, on the uh horns
the velvet yeah, he's still gotthe velvet on there, which he
looks great.
And then he in the last cliphe's kind of.
He just kind of disappears intothe woods and he's like I'm out

(01:01:33):
of here.
How they walk when you have,you know, the elk horns like
that are just amazing throughthe woods, but he's a big dude.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
He's very good, yeah, so that was my shot.
I was pretty excited about him.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Congratulations.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Hey, thank you, I feel great, I feel great, okay,
I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
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