Episode 215: Ava Heads To College. The Great College Send-Off: More Bags Than Southwest Can Handle

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Oh, you got busted.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
No, I mean, come on, a&w Sugar Free.
It's a big, big night.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
We're doing a late night show because we're just
how we're doing it, becauseyou're packing Ava, I've been
packing Ava for three straightdays, but it's been like nonstop
today and that's why I was like, okay, you're like let's go,
I'm like let's go.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
So I just came out here.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I did not get really ready for this show.
We've just been packing.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Getting ready to take our kid to college.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's going to be crazy and we are flying her.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yes, you should see the amount of bags.
Oh, it's unbelievable.
You're going to kill me.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
You're going to make their quarterly profit just on
the bag fees, and I don't evenget charged bag fees from
Southwest.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I know, but I understand all this.
I will get charged.
And listen, there are theseduffel bags.
You get them from Amazon.
Everybody kind of does it, butusually they do it to drive
their kid to school.
It's way too long of a drivefor us.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
They're going to Virginia.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
And so we are going to be flying with a lot of bags.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I've never done this before, so I'm trying to be
super organized.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I have even packed the tools that you're going to
need to help put stuff togetherin the dorm room.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
So Christy packs literally this hammer that is
massive in size.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
It's called a rubber mallet.
Yeah, and it's like Thor'shammer.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
if you've ever seen it.
It's massive.
And we're flying this thing toVirginia?
Yes, we are, which is why Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Because I don't want to do another stop at the
hardware store to buy somethingthat-.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Unbelievable.
I'm not doing that, I meanhonestly, I'm organized.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I have lists for the lists that we're going to be
using.
You're going to be thanking me.
I've organized these bags inlike a very succinct manner.
And I have lists?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Everybody's got a job .
It's outrageous.
It's going to be great.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
The problem is the school only gives you three
hours to get in there and getout.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
To give you an idea of what she packed, she actually
packed a flat of water for Ava.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I did not.
I did not.
No, maybe not, but I could seeyou doing it.
I did pack a drill.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, I mean a drill, a small drill, I understand,
but a large, large, heavy hammeris ridiculous, you know.
And then you've got, like thesepads she's gonna lay down on
her mattress, that are like thisbig topper.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
It's unbelievable.
Have you slept on a dormmattress lately?
No, you've not not recently no,okay, right now I'll tell you.
Right now, I'm looking at youjust aching from thinking about
it.
You're moving around becauseyou're already aching about it.
All right, these toppers, notthat big of a deal, they just
happen to take up an entireduffel to get out there.
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It is a little emotional, but we are going to
have Ava on for the last timewhile she's a non-college
student.
We'll have her.
Obviously She'll come back anddo shows for us.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I'm sure, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but this is kind of
Ava, non-college Ava for thelast time.
Yeah, non-college Ava andElla's producing tonight.
Ella, do you want to say hello,ella?
Thanks for joining us tonight.
It's been a while.

Speaker 8 (02:45):
Ella and welcome back .
Thank you so much.
I've been taking a leave ofabsence, so I am back now.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yes, your leave of absence is one that is
well-earned.
I mean, you talk about somebodywho just it's a solid like
11-month absence.

Speaker 8 (02:59):
And so now I'm back full-time.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, full time.
Okay, you're back full timewe're excited for that, as we
send off Ava.
So anyway, okay, we'll comeover.
That Give us a little rundownon what we're going to look at
tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, so a couple of things.
First of all, we're going to dosomething on Martin Heinrich,
who sent out a very well,actually it's not even it's his
pack, and we'll explain thatSent out a very interesting note
donors, invitation to a littlebit of a soiree, and these guys
know how to do it.
They know how to party it up.
So we'll take a little diveinto where they're going, uh,

(03:30):
who they could be, who gives tothis little pack, what are they
all about?
And we'll break that down foryou and where we heard it, the
people who broke the storyinitially, and then, uh,
michelle luan grisham was onface the nation we're not going
to get deep into that, but shedid say something at the
beginning of this.
I thought that was ratherinteresting and it was your
common political back-and-forthgamesmanship.
But there's a little bit wewant to talk about with that and

(03:52):
maybe kind of add a little moreflavor and texture to some of
her comments.
We'll do that.
Obviously, we have a bunch oflegislators who have fleed the
state of Texas because theydon't want to have their state
redistricted and gerrymanderedmore than it already has been.
We know how that feels in NewMexico, so we'll talk about what
they're doing there, which isan interesting setup.

(04:13):
And then we'll talk a little bitabout the debt bomb.
We just got some numbers outthat talk about where the debt
is in the country, and it's notjust the country's debt, we're
talking about individuals' debtis exploding.
This is a concern.
When I saw the numbers today Iwas like wait a minute, we need

(04:34):
to talk about this.
And we talk all the time aboutthe president hitting the Fed
really hard for keeping interestrates high.
That's part of the reason hesees all these numbers already.
He already knows this stuff andhe knows we need interest rates
cut because there are a lot offamilies that are up against it
and the numbers are terrible.
So we're going to get into thatas well.
And then we're going to get intoa piece of video from russia.
You know about the tsunami.
You're talking about thetsunami.
It never really hit hawaii inany sort of significant way.

(04:55):
It hit russia.
We've got some of the video onthat.
And then ava's going to sitdown with us and we're going to
reminisce just a little bit andthen we're going to take a look
at a few things and see if avaand ella recognize maybe some
some things that maybe are justfrom years gone by and they
don't have any clue I think it'scalled we're going to educate
ava, uh, before she leaves to goget educated.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, so it's, we're going to learn her up with a
little bit.
Yes, some 1980s magic bingoright okay, so we uh hope that a
lot of our viewers are from thesame generation as us, and so
we think it should be fun foreverybody.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, you'll see some things that remind you of
childhood.
Let's just put it that way.
Yeah, let's put it that way,absolutely.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay, let's start off .
This was kind of interesting tome and, before we go into too
much detail, this is aboutMartin Heinrich's leadership
pack.
Okay, explain already reallyquick what a leadership pack is
a leadership packet.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
What's a pack?
So for someone like MartinHeinrich and a lot of senators
have them what they are is isthere a political action
committee and what happens isthat their donors from their
party usually, or people thatlike them give to them and then
Heinrich basically takes thatmoney, or his people take that
money and distribute the moneyout to other candidates.
It's another way to pump moneyinto candidates and so you give

(06:06):
money to their PAC, so you givemoney to them personally in
their campaign and then you cangive money to their PAC, and
then their PAC tends todistribute money to other
candidates as well and do othercauses and things that they like
.
So it's just another avenue totell a Senator hey, I got you
and you give them more money,right, but it's not directly
into the campaign.
A lot of times it's into thispack, which then can fund a

(06:27):
bunch of different things.
Most often in the stuff that Ithink most people would be
interested in would be othercandidates who they definitely
support, and we'll show you someof that.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Okay.
So obviously for those here inNew Mexico, we all know that
Martin Heinrich was reelectedlast November, so he's basically
not even a full year into hisnew term and he's already now
doing a leadership pack retreat.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, he's at a.
Yeah, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, hesent out the invitation.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
His name's on the invitation.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry I thought you meant
he just started this.
Yeah, he's had this thing forlike since for 10 years or so.
Right, right, right Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
But now what's happening is they're inviting
donors down to this retreat.
And what's fascinating to meand I went to several of your
fundraising events I neverremember getting an invitation
to go to Mexico Whoa yeah, Playadel Carmen for a little retreat
, apparently.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I was going to Playa del.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Carmen and I'm thinking is this normal, whoa
Mexico?
Yeah exactly.
Okay.
So here's Ruthless.
This is a podcast that Mark andI are big fans of.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, they're great.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
The guys broke it down today.
They don't even know who MartinHeinrich is.
Ok, they have no idea who he is.
They just know that this isreally odd, that this is
happening.
So let's just take I just cut alittle bit of their podcast
today Take a listen to this andwe'll come back and talk about
it.

Speaker 9 (07:44):
Four was a very big year for Republican wins, but
there were a few Democratsenators who won re-election and
you might ask yourself how arethey going to celebrate the one
year anniversary of theirre-election from last November?
Well, martin Heinrich, thesenator from New Mexico.
You've never heard of him.
You have not heard of himbefore.
But it's a senator from NewMexico.

(08:05):
You've never heard of him, youhave not heard of him before,
but his fundraiser sent out anemail encouraging people to come
and celebrate his reelection ina place of paradise and a place
where Democrats think is somuch more important to them than
anything in America.
Lee, will you please put upthat graphic?
And, of course, we blacked outthe name and the contact info.

(08:26):
His fundraiser says I wanted tomake sure you received an
invitation for a retreat toPlaya del Carmen in Mexico from
November 7th to November 9th in2025.
Please see the flyer below foradditional information.
Now, this is very interestingbecause, as Michael pointed out
to me earlier, martin Heinrichhas a history when it comes to

(08:48):
Mexico, when it comes to ourborder, and that history is not
very good.
He's not tough on the border.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
No, you know, it turns out he voted against the
remain in Mexico policy twiceInteresting.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
That's interesting.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
So Mexico is not good enough for the illegal
immigrants crossing our southernborder, but it's perfect for a
junket for the senator from NewMexico.
I noticed also that the senatorfrom New Mexico is not having
this party in New Mexico.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, no, no, it's not situation, because you know,
I didn't.
I didn't know that senatorstravel outside of the united
states to go and have these, uh,leadership retreats or whatever
you want to call them yeah I'msorry but like, this is a pack.

(09:34):
We all know what packs do.
Packs help raise money forcandidates, okay.
So at the end of the day, thisis like a glorified fundraiser,
is it not?
I mean, that's what I'mthinking it is no.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, actually, I'm not , yes, possibly.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Or we're just going to go shake hands with him in
Mexico.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, no, I think what's happened here is I'm
looking at the numbers on thispack they got a little extra
cash.
Oh yes, so I think what they'redoing is I don't know, I'm not
sure how we didn't get aninvitation.
But just let me break down afew numbers for you.
My guess is they have $139,000cash on hand.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Okay, so that's donor money.
It's not taxpayer money.
So first of all, let's be clearon that, I don't want to yeah,
this is fundraising money.
So, um L's, let's just do a clipthree to start things off here.
And yeah, there we go.
So just to give you an idea and, ella, we're going to kind of
focus in on this, starting backl's in 2014 so you can see they

(10:29):
here's how much money they tendto raise out of this pack, okay,
and the green uh line there ishow much they spend.
The yellow line is how muchthey raise.
Okay, so the idea in any goodpack is raise about as much as
you spend, right?
That's kind of how it works,and so you can see they raise
around roughly around $600,000,.
But notice what starts tohappen in 2024.
And we work our way through.

(10:50):
That's Heinrich's reelectionyear.
Okay, heinrich's reelectionyear.
Those numbers go up.
They go up because you have alot of his supporters that are
showing their support by saying,hey, I'm sure they gave to the
campaign and then a lot of themgave to the pack as well.
So if you look at the numbersand how much they raised, they
raised about eight $900,000there coming up here over the

(11:11):
past year.
Okay, so they didn't spend itall.
Okay.
So you say, all right, well, wegot a little extra cash on hand
, and so what are we going to dowith that?
And the question then becomeswell, maybe, maybe you spend it
by going and cranking up alittle soiree in Mexico.
So let's go ahead and talkabout total race and everything
else in 2024.
So, els, here are the numbers.
They raised $890,000, okay.
They spent about $800,000, okay.

(11:34):
And then you see some of theother numbers here.
They began 2023 with, you know,a certain amount of money cash
on hand they had about $50,000.
And notice what they've got now.
And cash on hand, they gotabout, uh, you know, $140,000.
So, if you've got 140 K sit inthe account and you're sitting

(11:54):
there thinking I need to go toPlaya del Carmen, baby, let's do
this, let's have a leadershipretreat, yeah, in quotes.
And then now how much of thisstuff they cover, I don't know,
but they've got the cash on hand.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Here's the thing that I guess this is what stood out
to me when I was here, when Iwas listening to these guys talk
about this morning is I waslike this pack is located in
Albuquerque, yeah Right, andthey're going to go to this
retreat and play, because Iguess, like the Marriott pyramid
or whatever was booked.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, that's the problem.
I mean you pyramid or whateverwas booked.
No, that's the problem.
I mean you have.
You have donors from all overthe country who you could bring
into new mexico stay at, say, uhany jim long has 50 good hotels
in new mexico that are reallynice.
Not staying at any of those now, and you know what's
interesting.
I wonder what kind of donors wegot, or do Do we?

(12:42):
You know, we may even have somehigh roller donors here.
So, ella, let's go to clip six.
Do we have any?
Let's see.
Let's take a look at his donorlist.
Is there anybody we'd beinterested in Clip six, ella?
Yeah, thanks, and going alittle tight there, kiddo, let's
see what we got.
Who's this person?
Let me look at his name Bill.
He's Bill.
No, no, no, no, no.
Slide over to the left BillGates.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Bill Gates from Kirkland Washington.
Yes, he sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, he does sound familiar.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I wonder, that's weird.
I wonder who else.
I wonder if his, his ex-wife,is involved.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, I believe she is.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
She is.
I think it's Melinda.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Gates, it is Melinda Gates.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes, oh my gosh Bill and Melinda Gates gave to this
pack.
Yeah, oh, my goodness gracious.
You know what.
You know what would have beeneven better?
He could have kept it all inthe family.
You know why he invites Billand Melinda Gates to the
Okeowinge Resort in Northern NewMexico.
They also gave to this thing.
So in Okeowinge has a nicelittle hotel up there in a

(13:40):
casino.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, martincouldn't have absolutely done a
leadership thing right at theokay wingay no with bill and
melinda gates.
How about we feature new mexicosenator instead of going to
mexico and apply adele carmen?

Speaker 1 (13:56):
yeah, I did again give me a break and I'm sorry,
like I just don't believe.
I mean and I know we don't know, but I'm just gonna go ahead
and speculate here I don'tbelieve that this is like hey,
they're taking the PAC money andpaying for everybody's travel
to come to play.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Oh, I don't think they're necessarily are either.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I think they're coming in there and saying,
chicken, it's glad handing andasking for more money to come
back into this leadership PAC.
That's what I think ishappening.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, I think, or a little bit of both own, and they
put on a nice little event foryou, who knows?
But they've got some money todo it.
It just seems, and they're notspending that money in new
mexico.
They're spending it in mexico.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, that's undeniable I just, it just seems
, it seems really weird to me,yeah, so anyway, hey there you
go.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
and, by the way, in case you're curious, uh, who
they gave to, who does the?
Who did the pack support?
Right, you know the no surprise.
Here it's clip five Some of thepeople that this pack gave to
Teresa Ledger Fernandez.
They gave 10 grand to her.
They gave 10 grand, my guess,on what they did with Ledger
Fernandez, stansberry and Gabethose are the three

(14:56):
representatives from New Mexico.
They maxed out to him at 10grand.
The reason they gave them themost is they gave him primary
money, I think, and they gavehim general election money.
They can give them 5k for eachtime.
So, that's why they got 10 grand.
And then they gave some othercandidates here.
You know you gave to somecandidates, for example, you
know Jonathan Nez, for example.
He's former head of the Navajonation who ran for the house in

(15:19):
Arizona, people like that.
So, anyway, so that gives youan idea of what they're doing,
but anyway, so we'll see whatends up happening.
Hopefully they got a niceresort there, hopefully they're
gonna have a good time.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Hopefully we have a great time down there it doesn't
seem shady at all.
It seems totally normal to goto mexico.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
You got an opportunity with donor?
I don't know got an opportunityto support your state once
again, and they don't call themmaryland marty for nothing.
That now I don't know whatwe're going to call a Mexico
Marty.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't even know he is.
You know he's, he's.
It's play it out, carmen guy,and he's just like it's a good
time.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm not going to lie.
We've been to play it out,carmen, it's a pretty sweet
situation.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
We let's just go ahead for the record and state
we had no campaign events orfundraising events or pack
events or anything like that.
Yeah, I just think and I guessI thought maybe it was me and I
don't even mean to go in a deephole here but me and my rabbit
trail I thought that thecandidate really couldn't be
involved with a PAC.
Is that not true?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
No, a candidate can.
Well, it depends the candidate.
So a couple of these things.
First of all, that PAC is notsupporting Heinrich's reelection
.
That PAC is supporting othercandidates Okay, that PAC isn't
sending money to Heinrich to getHeinrich reelected, right.
So what he's doing is notunusual.
There are other other othersenators across the board.

(16:35):
For example, I, chuck Grassley,when I ran for Senate, called
me and said hey, I got adonation for you I want to do to
.
Mitt Romney did the same thing.
Marco Rubio did the same thing,okay, right, scott, senator
Scott did the same thing.
So this is not unusual.
So Harvey's not doing anythingthat's a foul of anything of the
law.
It's just a matter of you know.

(16:55):
Where are you going to spendyour time and money when you
have that opportunity?
What are you going to show offwhen your big time donors want
to show up and talk to you?
Where are you going to show itoff?
You're going to say you'regoing to love this, this
restaurant I got here down inthe middle of Cancun.
You're going to love this thing.
What are you talking about?
Yeah, or do you represent NewMexico, or not?
Yeah, so you have anopportunity to show leadership,

(17:16):
or in a leadership thing.
How about you show up in NewMexico?
We've got a lot of great placeshere.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, decided not to do that yeah, I can't say I'm
shocked, but either way,whatever.
Yeah, I thought it was just, Ithought it seemed really off.
Yeah so I wanted to make surewe kind of talked about that
okay, so governor, on face thenation yes governor Michelle
Lujan Gershom on face the nation.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Interesting interview , yeah yeah, no, it's always
exciting, uh, watching ouresteemed governor, but I do want
to get into what it was thequestion right out of the chute.
So Margaret Brennan starts somequestions off and I just want
to hit this real quick and we'llprobably stop her, else we're
going to kind of stop her alittle bit of the way through.
We're not going to run thisthing all the way through, but I
want you just to listen to acouple of things.
You're talking about the bigbeautiful bill which again the

(17:57):
governor goes out and blamesevery healthcare problem we have
in New Mexico, which is not hasnothing to do with Trump on
Trump, of course.
But so we'll listen to this alittle bit and then we'll stop
it down here and just give alittle bit of feedback on what
she has to say.
Two out of five New Mexicansare on.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Medicaid.
You've got a lot of ruralhospitals.
Have you figured out how toimplement everything Dr Oz just
laid out?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Hold on one sec.
Two out of five New Mexicansare on Medicaid.
That's because the state triesto get you on Medicaid.
Like that's how that works.
The state is trying to do that40% of residents in New Mexico
are on Medicaid and so the goalshould always be to transition
people off of Medicaid if at allpossible, to get them onto
their own insurance plans sothey don't have to be on

(18:43):
Medicaid.
It will benefit them, it willbenefit the state, it will
benefit everything across theboard.
But in the state of New Mexico,bigger and bigger Medicaid
roles are something that they'vetried to push.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Absolutely not.
There is no real way toimplement this.
It's more paperwork foreveryone.
It's more paperwork for federalgovernment, for state
governments, for countygovernments, for local hospitals
, for independent providers.
And you know what Americansreally hate, margaret, when you
go to your primary carephysician and you spend 20

(19:16):
minutes sitting at a chair, noteven on the exam table, while
they are inputting data into acomputer.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Okay, stop right there, hold on.
That struck me as incrediblyweird, because I'm listening to
this answer and I'm like why isher first hit on paperwork?
It's a very odd hit, right, andI sat there going, well, why is
she saying that, like, thatdoesn't make any sense.
Well, paperwork in this case isa euphemism, because what it

(19:44):
really means is what theRepublicans have proposed and
signed into law is that if youare able, bodied an adult who is
fully healthy, not someonewho's pregnant, not someone
who's sick, not none of thatYou're fully healthy, you
there's.
There should be a workrequirement for Medicaid.
Okay, that tests very well withthe American people.
Okay, it does, but does itrequire more verification?

(20:07):
Yes, so they know it tests well.
So then their new thing islet's call it paperwork and
bureaucracy.
Let's message it that way,because if she comes out and
says you should not have toprove that you have to work for
this or don't have to work forthis.
So therefore, when she sayspaperwork, what she's really
saying is she doesn't want awork requirement, but she knows
she can't message it as I don'twant a work requirement because

(20:29):
it looks bad for her.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
So then, therefore, she just says they don't want to
have all this paperwork, sothat's why she messaged it that
way, I also thought when shesays you know what people hate
when they go to their doctor'soffice and they have to sit
there and answer all thesequestions do paperwork?
And my question is my thoughtis, especially in New Mexico,
you're lucky if you can get intoa doctor in the state of New
Mexico.

(20:50):
That's what people really arefrustrated with in New Mexico,
governor, is that we can't getinto a doctor there are less and
less doctors here due topolicies that you've put in
place, which are?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
the medical rates in which people can be sued here
are incredibly high.
The caps are very high.
It's a lawyer's dream and adoctor's nightmare, and because
of that, we have more lawyersthan doctors, and now we do not
have doctors that will settlehere anymore.
You can't keep doctors here.
That's why the legislature didit, the governor signed it, she

(21:24):
did it.
Okay, now she's had to roll itback some, and now they're
looking at a bunch of differentthings to try to address this,
but the disastrous situation wehave for healthcare is because
we have targeted doctors infavor of lawyers.
It has nothing to do with DCC.
It has nothing to do with anysort of funding for Medicaid.
It has to do with anenvironment within the state of

(21:44):
New Mexico that push doctors out.
It's that simple, and blamingit on anything else is, of
course, a diversion a diversionbecause of your own bad policies
.
So that's where this goes.
Ok, keep going, ella.
Well, just a couple moreseconds on this.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
It doesn't make any sense.
We should be a society and acountry that is connecting
people to health care providers.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
We agree.
Yeah, we agree with you on thatDr Oz represents.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
That's a fair representation is.
We should be healthier asAmericans, all right, and we
need to be moving out of poverty.
We need drug prices we shouldtalk about that to come down.
So go after insurance companies, do manufacturing here.
Make sure we can negotiate fairprices.
Let states do that, because Iguarantee you we'll do a better
job.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Okay, and I don't disagree with her on that.
Let states do that.
That's exactly what the BBBdoes.
It puts more onto the statesand again, so we don't need to
keep going on this.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
No, but I just think it's frustrating to listen to
her talk about that when peopleare saying I can't find a doctor
, I can't find a specialist,especially in rural communities,
which we saw that firsthandwhen you were running and we
went to a lot of these ruralcommunities and they were losing
doctors and they were losing.
This was way before Trump wasin office.
I mean, this had nothing to dowith the big beautiful bill.
This is two and a half yearsago.
Due to this lawsuit amount, grttax is very high.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Very true, grt, which doctors are charged for, and
one thing we had proposed was weshould be paying for the
education of doctors and getthem to go put in five years
here, because if they get alltheir medical school paid for
and the state of New Mexico canafford to do it we pay all your
medical school bills.
You stay here for five yearsand I bet, especially in a lot
of these communities, you'llstay here for 15 or 20, because

(23:24):
they're great places to live.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Right, I mean, and you couple it with crime and
poor education.
That's why we're losing doctors.
It has nothing to do with allof this.
So it just it's frustrating, itfeels disingenuous, and so
right, and, and, and it is thosepolitical point.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
but this is the political fight, right?
So now it just becomes we'regoing to know soon enough.
It staggered me when she saidpaperwork right out of the chute
, because it's just a very it'snot an effective argument and I
was like, why is she sayingpaperwork?
She's saying paperwork becausethey have pulled a work
requirement for Medicaid andit's popular.
A work requirement for Medicaidis popular, so you got to re,

(23:58):
you got to remessage it.
It's popular.
A work requirement formedicaid's popular, so you got
to re, you got to remessage it.
It's a pretty weak remessaging,but that's what they went with.
And then again, one thing Iwould just encourage you to look
for let's wait and see how manypeople get kicked off of
medicaid.
Let's wait and see how manyrural hospitals close, right,
and if and if if all of a suddenwe're seeing mass closings of
rural hospitals, trump in themidterms is in real trouble.
If's not, then all of a suddenyou're going to pivot and

(24:21):
magically this will poof go away.
Yeah, they'll stop talking aboutall of this and it'll go back
to the economy, which I think isgoing to end up being a much
bigger issue, but anyway, we'llget to that in a second.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Okay, all right, so let's talk a little bit about
this redistricting fight down inTexas.
Obviously, we've been talkingabout redist and the
gerrymandering that's gone on inour own state and how some of
these Texas lawmakers came uphere last week to talk to our
governor about hey, how do weget this done, how do we stop
this from happening, how do westop a redistricting from
happening in Texas?

(24:49):
Well, now this has gone onestep further.
So now they basically wanted to.
They called in everybody to doa vote on this map.
Right, this new redistrictingmap, the new map.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
And the Republicans have the votes to get it through
right.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
They do they have the votes to get it through.
So guess what they did.
Guess what a massive chunk ofthe Democratic legislators did.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
They went to a leadership conference in Mexico.
That's in November.
Oh, that's in November, I'msorry.
I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, no, it's this, this old trick they can't vote
if we're not there.
Right, you have to have aquorum.
Yeah, they have to have aquorum right.
So basically they all left.
They left Austin, they took off.
That's awesome.
They left the state we're gone,they're gone.
They went to Chicago, Boston,new York, basically Okay, ok,
and out of it was most ofsomebody got stuck going to

(25:40):
Albany.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
It sounds like that's kind of a lame.
Wait a minute If I'm goingsomewhere.
I'm going to New York City,we're going to Albany.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So, basically, most of the 62 member House Democrats
left Texas Sunday to block thequorum stall voting on a map
that would create basically fiveadditional Republican
congressional districts ahead ofthis 26, you know, midterm
elections.
Basically, it's they're tryingto do here.
So they and they're gettinglike welcome, welcome gift
baskets and press conferencesand all this stuff from the

(26:08):
leaders in those areas in Bostonand Chicago and in New York,
right.
So, and obviously it's alsotriggering another governor
that's pretty famous for doingsome gerrymandering of their own
in their own state, the stateof California.
Yeah, but Newsom's not takingthis laying down.
Gav, he's not going to takethis laying down.
Yeah, right, he's basicallygoing to I mean quote fight fire

(26:30):
with fire, everybody.
That's the new slogan, by theway, that all these states that
have welcomed these Texaslawmakers into lawmakers into
right.
So I just wanted to read youthis happy quote from Gavin
Newsom that basically says ifTexas moves forward with this
and passes this new map, this iswhat he's going to do.
Okay, he says they've triggeredthis response and we're not

(26:51):
going to roll over.
We're going to fight fire withfire, but we're going to do so
not just punching with theweight of the fourth largest
economy, the most populous statein our union, the size of 21
state populations combined.
We will also punch above ourweight in terms of the impact of
what we're doing, and I thinkthat should be absorbed by those
in the Texas delegation.
Whatever they're doing will beneutered here in the state of

(27:13):
California and they will pay theprice.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
There's no question, there's a lot of neutering
happening in the state ofCalifornia.
I mean I will agree with him onthat.
There's no question, there's alot of neutering happening in
the state of California.
I mean I will agree with him onthat.
There's no questionCalifornia's been neutered.
I mean I will agree.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Basically, he's saying we're going to wipe out,
we're going to get.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
They're going to redistrict.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
They're going to redistrict over there they're
going to like.
It's like this, and here'sdemocratic ticket.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
That's what we're hearing.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
And this is his answer to it right Cause.
I'm going to.
I'm going to.
We're going to get into thisbig old battle because no
democratic state, includingCalifornia, has ever
gerrymandered at all for theirvotes More gerrymandering right,
more gerrymandering.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
No, I get it.
I don't.
I will say this Uh, I don't.
I didn't like it when ithappened here to to take CD two
away from Republicans and giveit to Democrats.
I think it was horrible.
We've pointed it out on theshow.
I don't like it anywhere thatit's done.
I really don't.
I don't like the gerrymandering.
I know that's probably not apopular thing right now is Texas
is going to grab five moreseats, but I don't, I don't like

(28:10):
it.
I don't like it.
I didn't like it when ithappens here.
I don't like it, especially inNew Mexico.
Now, texas is a massive state,right, and it's tricky to as
they lay all this stuff out, butagain, texas has been
gerrymandered for a long time.
Illinois has been gerrymanderedfor a long time, and so has
California.
So these states.
New York has been gerrymanderedas well.

(28:33):
So this happens a lot on bothsides.
Okay, I don't like it anywherethat it's done.
But in the state of New Mexicoit is so clear how we should be
laid out congressionally north,south and Albuquerque metro.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
So here's a headline from the Texas Tribune, because
Governor Abbott is saying no,this is not the way we're going
to manage our business here.
You're not doing it to flee.
So basically, Texas Houseissues arrest warrants for
Democrats who left state toblock congressional
redistricting.
Now, these warrants only applyin state lines.
Okay, so you can't, you're notgoing to see like, uh, what is
it?
The Texas Rangers?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
They're not going to be out on like horseback.
There's no, there's noextradition treaty from Chicago.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
No, no, no, you're not going to see the Texas
Ranger on horseback in Albany,New York.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Right, you know, lasso people you never know.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
It's not, that's what .
I'm saying yeah, it'd be great,he'd be great out there.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, he'd be fantastic.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
No, okay.
So here is the situation,though that's kind of troubling
about all this is this specialsession that was called.
Okay, so that's what these guysare all kind of fleeing from
Right.
There is two things, apparently, that's supposed to be voted on
.
One is this congressional mapand the second one is aid for
these flooding victims.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
They merged them together.
They merged them together inthis special session.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
These Democrats who left are saying that was too
tricky by the Republicans to dothat and therefore we're not
going to play their dirty games.
But look what's happeningthey're not voting for the aid
for the flood victims becausethey're basically saying we're
not going to show up for thevote.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
So the aid will not show up then, obviously.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
The aid will not show up because they're not going to
get voted on it, right?
Any aid that's coming from thecongressional thing and then
this map.
Basically, they're going tostall.
Now, here's the thing.
They've stalled before, right?
This is not the first time thatpeople have left the state of
Texas to avoid voting.
This has happened before, andso they tried this tactic back
in 2021.
They all left for Washington DCat the same time, okay, to

(30:28):
protest the GOP votingrestrictions.
Back then, some of thelawmakers challenged the
warrants in court, obtaining aninjunction against arrests that
were laid to, struck down by theTexas Supreme Court.
So, basically, what peoplebelieve will happen in this
particular state, the situationis this will go back to a courts
.
This will go back to Texascourts.
More than likely, this votewill get passed.
But you know, doing morereading on this whole issue,

(30:50):
there's a lot of states thathave passed a rule in their
state legislator that if youmiss something like 10 votes,
that you get fined.
You're basically fin fine fornot showing up and doing your
job.
So just kind of interesting.
How long do they stay away?

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I mean, do they send out Texas Walker Rangers?
Well, it is interesting.
This shows you.
You make a great point on themerging the two issues.
This is very smart by the Texaslegislature the Republicans in
the Texas legislature becauseyou want to make this.
If you're in a political fighthere, you want to make this as
painful for the other side asyou can.
So by merging those two issues,you have made it painful.
In fact, it's so painful thatABC News had a little soundbite

(31:27):
with one of the legislators fromTexas who bolted right and so
they got him in an interview andsaid wait a minute, flood
victims need you there to voteand they're trying to wriggle
out of it.
So here's a great example.
We always talk about this.
The most simple argument inpolitics usually wins.
So if the whole thing is hey,you're not doing your job and

(31:48):
you're not in town to helppeople that are flood victims,
you're going to pay the pricefor that Interesting
conversation here.

Speaker 12 (31:56):
And, as you know, that means that there is other
legislation that's going to bethe victim of that, and that
includes this bill for floodassistance for those Texans who
were impacted by thosedevastating floods on July 4th.
Are you concerned that all ofthis could ultimately be a
mistake if that legislation alsobecomes a victim of this?

Speaker 7 (32:17):
Yes, this is a Republican talking point.
I'm concerned that Greg Abbottdecided to play politics with
flood victims and their families.
The only emergency that weshould be coming to the state
capitol to address is floodmitigation and disaster
prevention.
That's what Texans want us tofocus on.
It's why my Democraticcolleagues and I showed up on
the first day of the speciallegislative session two weeks

(32:39):
ago.
We begged our Republicancolleagues to prioritize flood
victims and their families, andthey refused.

Speaker 12 (32:47):
But the reality is the consequence of the decision,
regardless of whether or notit's a talking point, is that
this bill is not going toadvance.
Is that a bad thing?

Speaker 7 (32:55):
if this bill doesn't advance?
And who put flood mitigationafter redistricting on the
agenda?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Okay, listen he's making a process argument the
minute you jive into, hey, I'mprocess argument guy.
You lose, you lose.
So that's why this is a toughspot for them to be in.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
I think they'll all be coming back this week and I
think these votes will gothrough and I think they'll vote
against it, but they'll losethe map.
Redistricting vote.
They're going to lose it.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
And they redistricting vote.
They're going to lose it andthey know they're going to lose
it.
So yeah, I guess I just don'tunderstand this.
Like fleeing to another state,it just seems so weird.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's childish, honestly.
Yeah, it's a little childish.
That means that our, our, our,here in New Mexico, all of our
Republican representatives arejust going to flee the state
every time there's a vote.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, they didn't, because I'm not even sure if
they fled they wouldn't stillhave a quorum.
So that's how bad it is.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
So so gerrymandered Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
A couple other things .
Trump had a very interestingcomment on Tuesday and he didn't
clear the Republican field for2028, but he got darn close.
He was asked about JD Vance asthe leader of the Republican
party.
After he's done, Peter Doocyasked the question and a very
interesting response from Trumpdone.
Peter Doocy asked the questionand a very interesting response

(34:03):
from Trump.

Speaker 11 (34:03):
This weekend, Secretary of State Rubio said
that he thought JD Vance wouldbe a great nominee.
You could clear the entireRepublican field right now.
Do you agree that?

Speaker 3 (34:17):
the heir apparent to MAGA is JD Vance.
Well, I think most likely inall fairness, he's the vice
president.
I think Marco is also somebodythat maybe would get together
with JD in some form.
I also think we have incrediblepeople some of the people on
the stage right here, so it'stoo early, obviously, to talk
about it, but certainly he'sdoing a great job and he would
be probably favored at thispoint.

(34:38):
Ok so.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I'm reading that, as it's going to be Vance Rubio on
the ticket.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Maybe We'll see.
He didn't say it, but he almostsaid it I mean he basically
said it.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I think he probably doesn't have the permission from
those two yet to say that.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well, I think they both would be fine with that.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
You think, absolutely Not president himself.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
No, at this point, you just don't know who knows
where we're going to be.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, it's so true.
It's so true, things change sofast.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Look, here's the bottom line.
Jd Vance is directly tied toDonald Trump.
Things go well for Donald Trump.
Jd Vance is the Republicannominee, no question about it.
Right, that's it.
Trump has real on water.
And then, all of a sudden, theGlenn Youngkins become a factor,
and the Marco Rubio's become afactor, and a bunch of other

(35:26):
people could become factors.
But if Trump so goes, trumpgoes JD.
It's that simple.
So, okay, I want to show yousome numbers on the economy and
on debt, and this, to me, isterrifying.
Okay, because I think you seehow hard the president is
pushing the Fed to cut rates,and I think this is part of the
reason why Trump always seesnumbers before everybody else

(35:47):
does.
Because he's the president, hegets more information than
everybody else, right, and youcan see why he's pushing things,
and I think this is huge stuff.
So I just want to go through acouple things and a couple
points with you.
And I know, els, this is kindof small, so if we could make it
a little bit bigger here,that'd be good.
Just listen to this.
Mortgage balances grew by $131billion during the second
quarter of 2025, totaling almost$13 trillion at the end of June

(36:12):
.
Balances on home equity linesof credit, those HELOC loans
they rose by $9 billion, the13th consecutive quarterly
increase Now $411 billionoutstanding in just HELOCs.
Credit card balances rose $27billion.
Auto loan balances rose $13billion.
They now stand at $1.66trillion.

(36:34):
Other balances, which includeretail cards and consumer
finance loans, were roughlyunchanged.
Those numbers are up, okay.
And then here's another numberstudent loans.
We talked about this right, aswe get ready to send Ava off.
We've got student loan debt.
Okay, now, the whole Bidenadministration was pushing very,
very hard for forgiveness ofstudent loan debt and one thing

(36:54):
that they did was they pushedback student loan debt, right, a
lot of people.
They let them not pay for along, long time, even out of
COVID, right, right, well,that's being stopped.
Right, you have to start makingyour payments now.
Look at the delinquencies here.
Keep going.
Next one else, there we go.
And then you can see, okay,those numbers.
You can see the student loandebt delinquencies go way down

(37:16):
and starting in Q1 of 2021,that's Joe Biden saying you
don't have to pay them, youdon't have to pay them, you
don't have to pay them.
And then, all of a sudden, nowyou do, delinquencies are off
the charts.
I mean, they're going crazyhere.
Okay, total debt balance and itscomposition when do we have all
our debt?
What's going up, what's goingdown?

(37:36):
And you can see the steady debtincrease here just keeps going
up and up and up.
Student loan is in there,obviously, but the biggest chunk
of this is obviously mortgage.
That's where most of their debtis.
That is not unusual, but you'renot seeing debt go down
Household debt.
If you look at these numbers isgoing up steadily.
You know your economy is doingreally well when that household

(37:58):
debt it starts to decrease outthere, right?
Well, that is not the caseright now.
It is continuing to increase,els.
Let's go to the next round ofnumbers here, and they're rough
as well.
These are credit limits,balancing and cards, credit
cards.
The credit card numbers areskyrocketing.
Those are those light bluenumbers.
You see there, yeah, those areskyrocketing, okay.

(38:20):
And then what's interestinghere is you look back at 2008
and 2009 and you can see sometotal delinquency status right,
this is total people that aredelinquent on something, right?
You see how high it was in 2009.
See that huge spike?
Yeah, it was right after thebust.
That's the bust, right.
And so then it starts todecrease, decrease, decrease.
Look at what's starting tohappen now.

(38:41):
It's going back up again.
It's starting to go back upagain.
So when you hear Trump sayyou've got to cut interest rates
, you're killing people.
They're paying way too much ininterest rates.
It's crushing them.
This is why he's saying it.
It's one of the reasons.
There's other reasons too.
There are a bunch of reasons onthis.
I'm no economist.

(39:06):
I'm not going to pretend to be,but but this is part of the
reason.
So Caroline Levitt talked alittle bit about this earlier
last week and I want you to justlisten to what she says about
rates in this country versuswhere they are in other
countries.

Speaker 10 (39:14):
The American people want to borrow money cheaply,
and they should be able to dothat, but unfortunately we have
interest rates that are stilltoo high.
So the president sent this noteto the Fed chair today, and if
you look at this chart, this isa chart of all of the interest
rates of many countriesthroughout the world.
At the top is Switzerland.
They're only paying a quarterfor interest rates.
Cambodia, Japan, Denmark,Thailand, Botswana, Barbados,

(39:39):
Taiwan, Bulgaria, Cuba, Sweden,Morocco, Cabo Verde, South Korea
, Algeria, Canada, Albania,Libya, Malaysia, China, New
Zealand, Trinidad and Tobago,Czechia, Bolivia, Australia,
Costa Rica, the Bahamas, Kuwait,Papua New Guinea, Bosnia,
United Kingdom and the UAE areall paying lower interest rates

(40:01):
than the United States ofAmerica, which has one of the
hottest and strongest economiesin the world.
The president sent this note tothe Fed chair.
It says Jerome, you are, asusual, too late.
You have cost the USA a fortuneand continue to do so.
You should lower the rate by alot.
Hundreds of billions of dollarsare being lost and there is no
inflation, and the president isright there is historically low

(40:24):
inflation thanks to his policies.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Okay, so really what's happening here?
Yeah, there's not muchinflation, but there's a.
There's a lot of failure ondebt, right, you're getting
crushed with these rates.
And so here's another look atthe rates.
You can see the actual credit.
Take a tighter look at therates and else you can, yeah,
kind of move it in there and youcan see, like our rates at 4.50

(40:47):
.
And then you add in on top ofthat what a consumer pays.
That gets you up at 7%, sevenand a half percent those things.
So where Trump wants to see usis probably closer to where they
are in, say, my guess is, ifyou could get you know his, he'd
love to have the Switzerlandrate, probably, because then
you'd be at 3.25, 3.5, 3.75%.
Probably can't be there at all,but he'd probably take you know

(41:08):
where they are in Sweden at2.25%, something like that.
But again, that's a big cutfrom where we are.
So, anyway, just somethingthat's interesting there.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
It's so interesting to see why will he not lower the
rates?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Well they are.
They have their concerns.
I mean, look, the Fed has theirconcerns that this will
supercharge inflation.
I don't think necessarily thatit will, simply because of some
of the numbers we're looking atfrom consumers right now and
your average person is gettingcrushed.
I don't know.
I mean, this is something we'vebeen talking about on the show
for a long time, for a long time, it is cutting rates.
It is important, so we'll seewhat ends up happening.

(41:39):
One more little piece of videobefore we bring Ava in okay,
okay, okay.
So we talked about the issuewith tsunamis and the huge
earthquake off the Russian coast, right, well, I want to go to
the Kinkaja Peninsula in Russia.
A guy's out there with his dog,okay, they're just hanging out
and here is what happens.

(42:01):
It's unbelievable.
So at first you don't see it.
It's just kind of likeeverything looks fine, but then
see the huge waves start to comein.
Okay, this is the first big one, it's not the only big one.
So you see that come in andjust start crushing the
coastline.
And then this one look at this,come in, even bigger.

(42:21):
I mean, look at that, just boom, it goes running up that canyon
right behind the dog.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Oh, my dog just hanging out, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Looks like a little bit of a husky.
That's got to be a husky, right?
Yeah, it does kind of look thatway.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Some sort of Russian situation.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Oh yeah, he's like Look at that, I mean just, and
he started.
He eventually just bolted Likecause you see how close it gets
right up there on him.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I would get my dog out of there.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Oh, it's unbelievable .

Speaker 1 (42:46):
All right, Our college soon to be college bound
.
I am currently college bound.
You are currently college bound.
Well, not right.
This second, I am college bound.
In a couple of mere hours, wewill be heading towards the East
Coast to take you to school.
Yes, that's correct.
So how do you feel?
Do you feel like you're readyto go?
Are you ready to rock and roll?

Speaker 8 (43:06):
It doesn't matter, I've got to do it.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Well, yeah, but we want to see that you're a little
excited about it.
I am excited about it.

Speaker 8 (43:12):
Yeah, yeah, I'm excited.
I think it'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:23):
Any us out here today about things you want us to
keep in mind?
Not really.
This is kind of how I get.
Right before I go on stage,when I'm doing a show, I don't
really feel much of anything.
The whole weeks prior and thehours prior I feel something,
but then, right before I do it,it's like all right, just got to
go do it, got to get out thereit's go time?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
What are you going to miss?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
the most Scout.
What are?

Speaker 1 (43:40):
you going to miss the most, not mom or Ella.

Speaker 8 (43:43):
I'll miss you guys too.
That's brutal.
The Scout won't know where I am.
She'll probably forget aboutyou, yeah that's a good point.
No, you know that dogs after acertain amount of time because
their time frames are different.
So when you leave for a week onvacation, they think it's like
two months.
So the thing is, if Ava's gonefor four months, you know
basically.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
This makes me feel great.
Oh my gosh, Don't worry.
Ella, she'll be squatting tomove in your bathroom, in your
closet.
I mean, you know this is whathappens.
This is the oldest kid, don'tworry, you get to go experience
all the fun things she's becauseyour time here, we felt like,
went way too fast.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
It made us think about our lives and what was in
our lives that maybe you neversaw or may not recognize, or
maybe you do.
Okay, and maybe you'll seethese things and say, oh, I know
that that is clearly thehottest pair of shoes from 1986.
Okay, okay, sure, okay.
So here is object number one.

(44:42):
Do you know what?
This is ella can play as well.

Speaker 8 (44:45):
Yes, yeah, I don't know what this is, but I will
play you do not know what thisis yes this has something to do
with music, recording somethingokay but I have no uh
comprehension of what the likeobelisk is yes, don't say
anything yet.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Don't say anything yet, okay okay.

Speaker 8 (45:04):
So it looks like it's music related, but it kind of
looks a little bit like cameralenses at the top okay.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
So here's the thing ava and ella, you both have
asked us for, uh, the old schoolcameras.
Okay, you guys always want them.
You guys always ask us if we'llbuy you the old school camera
and I tell you now the film's socrazy expensive.
And then, developing it, thiswas the.
I think this was the 110 camera.
I think I had one of these.
This is a 110.
And that's a flash on the top.

(45:30):
Does it retract?

Speaker 9 (45:32):
No.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
You take it off, you pull it off and you can put it
back on.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
But you get one flash out of every one of those
circles.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, so you can take .

Speaker 2 (45:40):
The minute it's done it goes black.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, it goes black, and then oh.

Speaker 8 (45:43):
Yes, does it print immediately?

Speaker 2 (45:46):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
This is just a.
It has film in it.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
It's got film in it.

Speaker 8 (45:53):
You pull it and get it developed.
That's just a flash, so that's,and then the camera's done.
No, actually, you probablycould do.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
The flash is done after 10.
You have to get a new flash.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yes, you bought a package of flashes and then you
bought film, but your cameralasted a long time.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Well, yeah, the camera probably is 20.
I had it at 110 for probablysix, seven years.
Right, but the camera each timehas about 25 pictures in a roll
.
Okay, and so or 30, orsomewhere in that general range.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Then you have to take it to the grocery store and put
it in a little thing and fillit out A little Fox photo.
And then turn it in and comeback and get your pictures, like
two weeks later.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
They would look at all your pictures when they were
developing them.
Oh, they still do that when yougo develop.

Speaker 8 (46:28):
Yeah, at a grocery store too.
But now you just pay a fortunefor it.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Okay now.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
I've seen it.
Okay, hold on.
I'm thinking it's like.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
No cheating guys.
No cheating.
What is that?
This isn't cheating.
I mean, it looks like it'shealth records.

Speaker 8 (46:46):
Okay yeah, it looks like in the doctor's office when
they open a file and it's gotall the names in it, but it also
looks like one of those thingsthat like rotates business.
It's not a Rolodex, it's not a.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Rolodex.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Ava, you love going to this place, this location,
the mailbox Out to dinner.
Well, you do like to go out todinner, but it has lots of books
in it.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
This is the library.
This is how you looked upthings in the library.
Yeah, this is the Dewey DecimalSystem, right here.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, like when you were a kid and we went to the.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
It's called a card catalog.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Card catalog.
We'd have library hour, likeyou guys did back in the day and
this is how you look up stuffto find a book or like a
research project.
Because there was no internet,so like if I needed to do a
thing on, like, say, sea otters,right, I'd go to the library
and I'd be like, okay, I need togo find anything on sea otters

(47:38):
and I'd have to go look up inthis card catalog or the library
and help me I wrote down thenumber and then I had to go find
it in the thing.

Speaker 8 (47:42):
So that's what, that is All right, all right.
Next, I know this one Okay,that's a.
That's a cassette player.
No, it's a, it's a voicemailbox, is it not An?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
answering machine.
It is an answering machine.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
It's an answering machine.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
It's machine.

Speaker 8 (47:56):
So I got it first.
I just said it was good.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, by the way, ladies, we didn't even have an
answering machine when I was ateenager, ever.
Yeah, all right.
So if the phone rang and youweren't home, guess what?
You had no idea.
Somebody called you right, soyou came you had.

Speaker 10 (48:09):
You just had to wait by the phone for hours.
But yes, that's an answer andit automatically records.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Oh, and when you had a message on there, you in the
light was flashing.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
You're like yes yeah, I didn't have one of those
until college, though.
Oh, big time that was collegebefore I could get one of those.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Okay.
Guys here is a brand from ourchildhood.
Did you even know what theseguys sold?

Speaker 8 (48:27):
If it's France, I'm thinking fragrance, okay.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I'm thinking it's Varnay is how you say it it kind
of looks like or like vinylit's geekier.
That a bad guess, Ella.

Speaker 8 (48:37):
Really, it's just very vibrant and I don't know
this.
I've never seen this.
Is it a sport?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Sort of Varney did sunglasses.
They were one of the bigsunglass manufacturers and, yes,
you were cool when you wentskiing and you had Varneys.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Okay, I guess I was not cool, I think it was more
East Coast.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I really do.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I don't think you're wrong on that.
Okay, let's keep going here,here we go.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
This is a big deal.

Speaker 8 (48:58):
This was a big deal Video game.
It's like a Nintendo, that's ajoystick.
That is a joystick.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
But do you know what that whole unit was called?

Speaker 9 (49:05):
Yeah, it was a big video computer system.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
It wasn't a Game Boy, no.
It's not a Game.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Boy.
Playstation.
Nope, that's not Nintendo, isit?
It is not.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
It's not really Wii.
No, it is not.
Is it an Atari?
Yes, there we go.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Ding ding, ding ding ding.
What the heck?
Oh God, everybody had thatthing.
It was incredible Again.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
my brother, I think, was in sixth grade and I was in
third before we got that.
I mean, it took us forever.
We only played Pong.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I see you.
Oh gosh, that was incredible.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
And the video games themselves cost a fortune.

Speaker 8 (49:39):
I mean you still in game for the whole year, because
that's all you can afford.
Games still work that way.
That's still how games work.
No, I totally agree Okay canyou name this character?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
That's Garfield, garfield, garfield, very good.

Speaker 8 (49:54):
Okay, can you name this?
It's a watch, it's a compass.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
What kind of watch?
Oh oh no, it wasn't ugly.
Back in the day, this was whatyou put on your Christmas list
because it wasn't cheap, and soyou were begging your mom.
What's up with the?
It was called a seatbelt Swatch.

Speaker 8 (50:07):
Swatch.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Swatch.

Speaker 8 (50:09):
Why does it look like that?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (50:16):
It was like a protector on there.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
It was like a little yeah, that's, it's just rubber,
it's all rubber yeah, and it was, you were.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
You were really cool when you got a swatch watch.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yeah, you were late 80s, I couldn't get it like how
old were you?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
uh, I was in middle school.
It was expensive.
Yeah, this looks like maybehigh school.
I might have been in highschool when I actually got one
of those as a gift, but yeah,all right.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Uh, here we go.
You would use these in schoolyou'd erase with those.

Speaker 8 (50:36):
No, they're pencil.
They go on your pencil to hold.
We had those.
Did you still have them?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Okay, so they're still there I had smartly ones.
Yeah, so you put these on sowhen you're left-handed at least
I had this it would dig into myhand.
So these would go on yourpencil to soften it so you could
write with it.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I'm left-handed too, and I never got any of these.
You didn't get left-handedscissors, they just said learn
to deal with it, christy, yeah,no, the left-handed when they
would round off the left-handedscissors is so lame, okay, last
one.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Can you name this character?

Speaker 8 (51:06):
He's from the Dark Crystal, isn't he?
No, he's not.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
But that's a good guess it's the same puppet style
.
It's the same maker.
It's the same maker.
I believe it's.
I actually don't know if JimHenson had anything to do with
this.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I don't know if he had anything to do with this guy
either.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
The fact that you could pull out a Jim Henson name
is impressive.

Speaker 8 (51:21):
Jim Henson did the Dark Crystal.
Yes, that's how I know him.
Okay, do you know who thischaracter is?
I went to the museum for thatguy.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
This was a famous TV show.

Speaker 8 (51:28):
I'll give you that hint.
He looks like his name is likeGoober.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yes, Alpha's big time .

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Okay, all right, ava, you have a couple, so now.

Speaker 10 (51:39):
I have some photos for you All right real quick,
let's go that.

Speaker 8 (51:42):
Ella is going to put up.
We need like a buzzer so thenwe can see who knows it first.
Okay, ladies ready.
Okay, we're ready, all right.
What is this?
Zoom in.
It's not from me and Ava'schildhood, it's from right now.
It's a keychain, right.
It's got a very specific name.
Do you know?
No clue, hibbity-dibbity.
It's called a Labubu.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Oh, a.

Speaker 8 (52:04):
Labububu.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
It's very expensive.

Speaker 8 (52:08):
There's a set of choppers on it.
They're technically like thebig full-size regular ones are
about $100.
I think, they are so ugly,they're so scary.
Let's bring it on.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
That Next?
Yeah, let's bring it on.
That looks like a new kind ofcandy bar.
Oh, this has got to be thatchocolate, that famous Dubai
chocolate.

Speaker 8 (52:25):
Yeah it is Dubai chocolate.
It's chocolate with pistachiocream.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I didn't even know.
I thought Dubai chocolate wasjust Dubai chocolate.
But go ahead so good.

Speaker 8 (52:34):
All right, so this is a stuffed animal, but we're
looking for the brand name ofthe stuffed animal A stuffy, no
the animal, but we're lookingfor the brand name of the
stuffed animal stuffy no, thebrand, the brand, the brand.
There's a brand name of astuffy.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah, it's like a popular style of them, oh um tie
, whatever that is ty beaniebaby no that's like it's like
the new.
No, it was ours too but this islike the newer age no clue, go
ahead and tell us, jellycat,these are also about $40.
Okay, wow, that's money wellwasted.
Okay, what?

Speaker 8 (53:05):
app is this.
What app, yeah, what app isthis?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
It is a hip-hop, you don't stop, you dance it.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
It's got a controller on it, right.
Is that a controller or a face?
It's both.
This is the app icon.

Speaker 8 (53:20):
I'll give you one more guess.
Go um snap game snap happy it'sthe it's the app icon for
discord, which is a like it'syou.
It's a communications app.
It's like whatsapp, but you dovoice chat.
Oh, okay, all right, we're notvery.
This is.
This is one you just won'tprobably get, but okay's this no
idea.
That is a skippity toilet.

(53:41):
It is a skippity toilet.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Okay, good, I knew that one.

Speaker 7 (53:46):
I taught.
This is your last one.

Speaker 8 (53:48):
This one I don't understand.
This is a TV show character.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (53:52):
Okay, that's Rick Grimes from the Walking Dead.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Okay, Okay.

Speaker 8 (53:58):
Rick, there you go.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Okay, okay, rick, there you go Okay, all right,
yeah, we did not watch the.
Walking Dead either.

Speaker 7 (54:02):
I know, but I did.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
All right.
Well, ava, we are praying foryou and I'm going to try not to
get emotional now.
I'm going to save it all up for, like the moment that we're in
the dorm and she was trying tokick us out, I'm just going to
stay there and hug longer andjust cry.

Speaker 11 (54:15):
Oh wow, I'm going to save all that, for then That'll
be really pleasant.
It'll be really good.
I like it All right.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
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We appreciate you guys and wewill see you back here a week
from today.
Take care, have a great weekand God bless you.

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