September 10, 2025 • 45 mins
The assassination of Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, has shaken the political landscape and raised serious concerns about the increasing political violence in America. Charlie Kirk's death at just 31 years old leaves behind a wife and two young children, as well as a legacy of promoting conservative values on college campuses nationwide.
• Charlie Kirk was shot while speaking to 3,000 students at Utah Valley University
• The 31-year-old conservative activist founded Turning Point USA at age 18
• Kirk was known for his campus debates and commitment to free speech
• Just days before his death, Kirk warned that "when people stop talking, that's when violence happens"
• The shooting represents an alarming escalation of political violence in America
• Media reactions have been mixed, with some commentators appearing to blame Kirk for his own death
• Other examples of political violence include the firebombing of New Mexico Republican headquarters
• Political rhetoric that dehumanizes opponents contributes to a dangerous climate
• Parents and educators now face difficult conversations with young people about political engagement
Please join us in praying for Charlie Kirk's family during this devastating time. If you believe in free speech and respectful debate, honor his memory by engaging with those you disagree with in a spirit of civility and respect.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
all right, this is not the show we anticipated
doing for you today.
Uh, we actually had a wholedifferent show, but given what's
happened to charlie kirk in adevastating situation in utah he
has been taken down by a bulletand and died earlier today and
(00:35):
so we are going to talk aboutthat.
Christy's here.
Uh, jay mccleskey's here.
We have a unique setup here.
No, there are no three shots youcan't see everybody at, but I
promise you we are all in thesame room together and I just
want to start by, first of all,getting some reflections from
you guys and understanding thepoint that saying a quick thing
(00:56):
here because of some of theplatforms and the way that they
take certain words and throttledown the reach of certain shows,
because of it, we have to becareful in the way we speak
about this.
We understand exactly themagnitude of this and the words
that are being used by everybodyare exactly correct and when
(01:17):
someone, what happened toCharlie today was devastating
and horrendous and it is part ofa larger pattern that we're
going to talk about here in abunch of different ways.
But I just want to get you guysto give us your take first.
I guess Christy just thoughtswhen this all went down earlier
this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, it's horrific and it's almost one of those
things that you don't believe ishappening when it is happening.
And I think what's sointeresting is the influence
he's had on so many young people, including our kids and some of
my students I teach you knowimmediately.
It's interesting to see that'swho found out about this news
(01:56):
first, and the youth of todayare who started spreading this
information really quicklybecause this connection was so
strong with a lot of youngerpeople.
So to hear about it throughyour kids and and their
perspective on this, it'shorrific.
It's like your worst nightmare.
We're not going to show thevideo, but the video is is
(02:19):
horrific.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So, jay, I mean, I think it's, this is is huge.
I think it's bigger, um, itfeels different, um, because of
everything that happened.
But, like you, my son was theone that first sent me the video
.
I'm pretty plugged in, but hehad it right away.
My son and daughter both followhim and I think it's shocking
to them and you realize yourkids here, and it's a huge
political story, obviously, theimpact he's had on politics.
(02:43):
But we also got to remember,speaking of kids, this guy's dad
with young kids who just hadtheir father taken from them
because of this guy wanting todebate in a public square.
I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, and we're going to get to that, because I think
that's the part of this that Iwant to make incredibly clear.
There are going to be peoplewith as this continues to
develop over the next couple ofdays that I want to make
incredibly clear.
There are going to be peoplewith as this continues to
develop over the next couple ofdays, that are going to try to
tell you that Charlie Kirk isfar right or he's an extremist
or whatever.
He's not.
He's not.
He spoke regularly of his faithin God and what he tried to do
(03:17):
every single day was say let'sdebate it and wait till you see
the first soundbite we have fromhim, taken two days ago.
It was prophetic.
It was prophetic in what hesaid.
So this whole thought that he'ssome sort of extremist who had
it coming is horrendous and nottrue, and some of the reaction
to him and what happened to himtoday is off the charts,
(03:40):
horrible.
I mean, we're going to pointout some of that as well,
there's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I mean, it's just cowardly.
It's just, the whole thing isdisgusting.
I don't think the gunmandeserves any awards or kudos for
what he did.
It's, it's a cheap shot thatprobably anyone could do down at
this range on the west side ofalbuquerque.
Yeah, um, but especially with ahunting rifle with the scope,
if that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Again, yeah, we're doing this quick, we haven't
confirmed everything right andjust a couple quick details on
this and what we know.
Uh, number one uh, charlie kirkhad just begun speaking to
about 3 000 students at utahvalley, and so he was sitting,
as he usually does, under acanopy, and then what ended up
happening was he was answeringquestion number two.
(04:22):
You could see, uh, you heard ashot fired and then he was hit
in the right side of his neck,it looks like, or left side of
his neck, excuse me, as he wassitting there and it's
horrendous video, so I wouldjust please, if you don't, stay
away from it.
I just don't even want to getinto it and show it in any way,
shape or form and really,judging by the video it was, he
(04:45):
had no chance.
He had absolutely no chance.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Well, let's go.
Let's throw to this firstannouncement.
This was the the first peoplethat we could find that could
make a confirmation.
Um, it was on real America'svoice.
Um, shortly after, when we wereall kind of questioning what's
going on, is Charlie Kirk Okay,and this was the very first news
to break that?
So we want to play that clipfor you right now.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
John Solomon.
John, is he with us?
Are you with us, john?
Yeah, you're reporting.
Charlie has passed.
Tell us what you know, john.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yeah, talked to multiple officials in the United
States government and twopersonal friends, but he passed
a short while ago, wasn't ableto survive the blood loss from
the wound to his neck.
There'll be some announcementssoon, is what I'm told, and then
we'll have to sort through whathappened today, who's
responsible, and try tounderstand how something so
(05:36):
senseless could occur.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Now it's important to note to Real America's Voices
where Charlie Kirk's show airs.
So the minute that happened andJohn Solomon came out, it was
like okay, we know this.
Is it because they had verygood sourcing on this?
Clearly because they had beenobviously been very close to
Charlie.
And then President Trumpshortly thereafter issued this.
(05:59):
The great and even legendaryCharlie Kirk is dead.
No one understood or had theheart of the youth in the United
States of America better thanCharlie.
He was loved and admired by all, especially me, and now he is
no longer with us.
Melania and my sympathies goout to his beautiful wife, erica
, and family.
Charlie, we love you.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Okay and just I know this kind of seems a little
trite, but I want to make surethat everybody knows who Charlie
Kirk is.
I actually have gotten sometexts today when I actually
reached out to people to letthem know and they didn't know
who he was.
Again, he's very well-knownamongst anybody that's in the
political sphere and the youthof today really, I think, have
(06:42):
really tapped into him.
But Charlie Kirk was 31 yearsold.
He was married with two youngkids and a political activist
that started Turning Point, Ibelieve at the age of something
like 18 or 19.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
18 in his parents' garage where he was making cold
calls to donors to give himmoney.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, and he actually one of the donors from the
Republican Governors Associationhelped get that off the ground
in 2012.
And the impact he had you talkabout how republicans did with
gen z voters and shocking thedemocrats.
Well, he played a big role inthat.
He would show up at collegecampuses and and debate and
bring a conservative message andhave the debate and because
(07:19):
those, those views, aren'treally told much in college
campuses by professors or anyoneelse and he knew that and
that's why he set out to do thatand he accomplished.
I mean, he built a movement andthere's not many people can say
they built a movement.
Yeah, you go back to.
He had his hands, you know, abig impact, including in your
governor's race.
If you remember when, whengovernor desantis came out here,
(07:40):
it was charlie kirk'sorganization who organized that
and helped get him out here no,it's very true.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And and we ended up, uh, having governor desantis
down in carlsbad but had charliekirk not set that up because he
had kind of a swing that camethrough here and it came through
arizona and went to go seekerry lake, uh, we, we, we would
not have had him here, I don'tthink by any stretch, and they
paid for him to come out herefor char through.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
They paid for it Charlie Kirk's organization.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, and they also do something which was huge.
They do a lot of get out thevote.
I mean, they really do, andthat's something that we need in
this state that we're lookingat doing.
There's no question that that'sgoing to be some of, I think,
what we're going to mentioned it, it is that it is that
personality that went out andwanted to talk one-on-one.
(08:27):
So two days ago there was videotaken of Charlie Kirk and
someone came up to him I thinkit's a British woman or
something like that walks up tohim and says hey, why do you do
this?
Like what is going on?
Like because people who don'tknow him don't understand what
he's really doing.
So if you sit there and watch awhole hour and a half that he
does with these college students, you see that he's engaging
(08:50):
back and forth.
One thing you very quickly getwith him is he's very smart.
He's very well-read.
You're crazy if you don't thinkhe's super smart.
He is.
I know he didn't go to fancycolleges and everything else.
He didn't go to college, didn'thave to.
I'm telling you, just listeningto him, how well read he is on
the Bible, how well read he ison American history.
It is, it's impressive.
(09:11):
So I want you to just listen tothis, because this soundbite
here is not only prophetic, it's.
It's heartbreaking when youlisten to what he says because,
honestly, he's sort ofpredicting, in a way, his own
demise.
Speaker 8 (09:30):
I go around universities and have
challenging conversations,because that's what is so
important to our country is tofind our disagreements
respectfully, because whenpeople stop talking, that's when
violence happens.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
I've never seen someone do this.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
Well, it's a growing trend because people like me are
facing violence, assault, theleft yes, the campus, antifa.
I've been stormed out ofrestaurants.
I've been assaulted publicly,multiple death threats.
Okay, so what's your goal inall this?
There's more people that agreewith me than some people would
actually believe and they comeout of the woodwork.
(10:06):
When I do stuff like this, werecord all of it so that we put
it on the internet so people cansee these ideas collide.
When people stop talking,that's when you get violence.
That's when civil war happens,because you start to think the
other side is so evil and theylose their humanity.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Wow, very telling, you know, and so just so sad
that, and prophetic, really, thefact that he just shot that.
That was just aired a couple ofdays ago.
So I pulled this clip from FoxNews.
They did a nice tribute forCharlie and I wanted to share
some of this with you guys athome as well if you have not yet
seen it, and so we're going toplay that for you right now.
Speaker 9 (10:41):
Household name and conservative politics.
Charlie Kirk was a teenagergrowing up in the Chicago
suburbs.
He told the Daily Caller in2019.
He knew early on politicsmattered.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
I was always naturally conservative, loved
America, loved the values thatour country stood for, and I
never understood why you'd wantto deviate from that.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
Kirk thought he'd end up at West Point, the Army's
military academy, but afterbeing denied admission, he chose
to start something for himself.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
It's that old adage one door closes, another door
opens.
Of course it's correct.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
In summer 2012, turning Point, usa was born.
What started small later becamea political juggernaut, a
conservative youth activistorganization now operating on
3,500 high school and collegecampuses.
Kirk explained what drove himin his first Fox appearance 13
years ago.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
A lot of kids are feeling the effects of what we
like to call.
You know, with the Washingtoneconomy, with a lot of debt,
plummeting, small business withhigher regulation and high taxes
as the Tea Party movementevolved.
Speaker 9 (11:40):
Turning Point USA grew, so did its influence.
The AP writing Turning Point.
Events became more ornate,taking on a nightclub atmosphere
with strobe lights,pyrotechnics.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So it gives you a little bit of background on
Charlie Kirk and again, likethey said, his influence with
youth was phenomenal.
I mean, I think the fact thathe was in, you know, kind of
close to them in age, heunderstood kind of what their
background was, what they'rethinking.
Another thing that happenedtoday this you know, when this
went down shortly thereafter,our daughter who attends Liberty
(12:13):
Ava attends Liberty sent usthese pictures.
They did a prayer vigil for hisfamily immediately, she said.
Thousands of people showed upon a moment's notice.
Charlie was scheduled to speakat Liberty in just a short
amount of time and so this ispart of a tour he does with
these college campuses andthat's where he was today when
this tragically came to ascreaming halt for him.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, Okay, so let's get a feel for Charlie, and it
really is an unbelievable legacy, even as short as it was at 31
years old.
But let's talk.
I want to talk in a broadersense.
You guys about where we arewith political violence, because
it is raging out of control,and I don't think we can.
You guys about where we arewith political violence because
it is raging out of control, andI don't think we can, you know,
create this little world whereyou try to do some both sides,
(12:57):
ism and everything else.
I don't think that that's wherewe are right now.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
No, I mean, I've been in politics for almost 30 years
and it's it's gotten out ofcontrol and I just, I truly
believe the liberals are gone.
There's a militant left and,yeah, we have some on our side,
(13:24):
but it's the militant left isvery aggressive on this stuff
and to ignore it and claim, dothe both sides-ism, I just don't
think is accurate.
I think there's it's aboutsilencing, and the thing with
Charlie was about silencing him.
And it's about when youdemonize somebody so much and I
go back to calling people nazis.
Yeah, and again, I've been inpolitics a long time.
You used to.
You said that, I mean your,your career was over, and now
it's a talking point on everyfundraising email coming from a
left-wing candidate you talkabout their conservatives want
(13:46):
to genocide against the transcommunity.
When you talk like that, you,you're basically licensing
people.
Why wouldn't you take someoneout who believes in genocide and
is a Nazi, and I just thinkthat stuff gets off the hook and
the violence.
It's clear.
I mean it's obvious everywhere.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, they accomplished.
This gunman today, accomplishedwhat they tried to do to Trump
in the campaign.
I mean, it was that close forTrump too, Trump.
It was that close for Trump too, Trump.
It was that close.
So it's like take a shot atTrump, almost kill him.
Get a shot at Charlie Kirk,kill him Because of exactly what
you're saying, Jay, which is,if every time they are a Nazi,
then people who are on the edgeof their faculties or people
(14:26):
that are losing it we're notsaying every Democrat's coming
out and wanted to do this.
They're not clearly right.
In fact, some of them view itas as nasty as you can, meaning
what they're looking at this asis.
They're looking at it as ameans to an end Just demonize
the other side.
It's no big deal.
It's a big deal when you've gotpeople on your own side that
can't distinguish between whatis just rhetoric in a cheap
(14:48):
talking point designed to take ashot at your opponent, and what
could actually send someoneover the edge to action right.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And what bothers me is and get up, start the media.
This, because what they'regoing to say about charlie kirk
now is this extreme right, this,that and the other.
He was debating like that's,that's as american as you get.
He was coming out and if youlook at the sign he has up, it's
proved me wrong.
He wanted people who disagreedwith him to debate and somehow
he's extreme.
But people burning down policestations and rioting are
(15:18):
patriotic and that again, wehave to call things the way they
are.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, and let's not forget, he came here to UNM in
2022.
And I mean protesters even backin 2022, were letting it rip at
Charlie for trying to be hereon campus.
It says state police this is anold KOB article we pulled it
says state police detained threeduring protests on UNM campus.
Charlie Kirk is the founder ofTurning Point USA, a
(15:47):
conservative nonprofit groupthat proclaimed to promote
freedom and limited government.
He was invited to speak at UNMby the Turning Point student
organization, but he didn'tlisten to that.
Claims.
I know I said that.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
Proclaims to promote yeah.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Other students with different viewpoints wanted to
make their voices heard.
Kirk waved to the dozens ofprotesters that had gathered at
UNM Campus.
Police enlisted the help of NewMexico State Police in riot
gear to detain three people,including one UNM student.
All were issued a criminalsummons for interfering with
officials or the general public,which is a petty misdemeanor.
Here's a quote from the UNMspokesperson Yesterday evening
(16:21):
they were engaged in response tothe actions of individuals
failing to disperse from theevent entrance ramp when they
were requested to do that.
University officials said therewas no property damage and
Kirk's speech and the protestersfree speech were successful.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well, speaking of that, here's the interaction
between Charlie Kirk and thecrowd, who is there to give him
the one finger, salute,basically.
But again, some of this is, yousee, in a way exactly his
approach, which is joyful.
He's not screaming back at him,he's not freaking out on this
whole thing and, believe me,they are screaming some
(16:54):
horrendous stuff here if youtake a close look at the video.
But it's just, that's somethingthat never bothered him ever.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Right, and he's just debating ideas, and he wanted to
debate people who disagree withhim, and that's how he changed
minds and that's what we'resupposed to be as a country.
I remember, when going toschool and starting out from
politics, no one, no one used tosay, oh, you can't say that or
you can't believe that.
And that's what I think hasreally changed to where now you
have, especially on collegecampuses, oh, no, no, no, no,
(17:22):
you can't have that opinion.
That's wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, the biggest thing he talked about at Turning
Point, and some of hisconventions especially, was just
the fact that he believed let'smake sure that we're protecting
the freedom of speech.
And I think, whether you agreedwith Charlie Kirk or you did
not agree with Charlie Kirk, thefact of the matter is, is this
is a horrific way of going aboutit, right, this is to end
somebody's life a young father,a husband, like it's just, it's
(17:48):
really sad.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So well, and what worries me about this is that
that it does not.
We, we think now and you see,there are a lot of people who
are saying very conciliatorythings on all platforms.
A lot of our leaders arethere's no doubt some or not,
which we'll get into in just asecond, but but some are in in
you kind of get this feeling ofoh my gosh, what a mess this is.
Hopefully this will allow us topivot and change.
(18:10):
I worry that it will.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I don't think it will , Because I think I mean,
honestly, I feel like it'sgetting worse.
You had someone's in prison now, right?
Yeah, no, we'll show you thatin a second.
I mean, like you faced violencemultiple times, multiple
instances, in your runs foroffice, Right?
I just worry that it gets, thatit gets people accepted, they
get you know immune to it.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think you're right, and so the
reaction from MSNBC as this isall going down.
What I'm about to show you Ican't even believe happened, but
I want to show you Matthew Dowd, who is on MSNBC, somebody who
(18:54):
truly is.
This is just horrendous.
What he says here, and he notonly blames Charlie Kirk for his
own death.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
The way he lays all this out is awful, and so I just
want you to hey, mark, beforeyou play that, realize this
guy's a political consultant,he's a speech writer.
This is not misspeaking, okay,this is what he truly believes,
right, right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And this guy's an alleged pro who should know that
situations like this areincredibly volatile.
There's plenty you don't know,but look where he goes right
away.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Talk to me about the environment in which a shooting
like this happens.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yeah, and again I emphasize what you just
emphasized we don't know anyfull details of this, that we
don't know if this was asupporter shooting their gun off
in celebration or so we have noidea about this.
But, following up with what wasjust said, he's been one of the
most divisive, especiallydivisive younger figures in this
, who is constantly sort ofpushing this sort of hate speech
(19:46):
or sort of aimed at certaingroups.
And I always go back to hatefulthoughts lead to hateful words,
which then lead to hatefulactions, and I think that's the
environment we're in, that thatpeople just you can't stop with
these sort of awful thoughts youhave and then saying these
awful words and not expect awfulactions to take place.
(20:07):
And that's the unfortunateenvironment we're in.
What then lead?
Just it's stunning, justunbelievable.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Here's what happens.
So MSNBC their PR team getstogether and they put this tweet
together because they realizethey've stepped in it now.
It says statement from MSNBCPresident Rebecca Cutler quote
During our breaking newscoverage of the shooting of
Charlie Kirk, matthew Dowd madecomments that were inappropriate
, insensitive and unacceptable.
We apologize for his statements, as has he.
(20:37):
There is no place for violencein America, political or
otherwise.
The frustrating thing is isthat that's not what this guy's
go to was.
His go to is like hey, hebrought this on himself.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Why didn't the host call him on it immediately,
right?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And shut that down?
Of course not.
She totally agreed with it.
Wait until there's a blowbackby the way, let's not forget to
the he-haw version of this,where his supporters are firing
them guns in the air.
That could have been how he waskilled.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That shows you his mentality for a conservative
right there and it's just likestop.
And then him.
The hateful thing.
It's just not true.
True if you go watch whatcharlie kirk does, whether you
agree with him or not,portraying it that way is
ridiculous.
And even if you did think whathe said was hateful, it doesn't
matter.
Part of this country is in partof the value of the united
(21:23):
states of america versus, say,britain, where you can't do this
anymore, which is say what youwant, I don't care how dumb it
is right, I mean it doesn't.
That's what we're all about inthis itstone.
Yeah, I mean, it's just unreal,and so Matthew Dowd is.
It's horrendous.
The problem is, it's not anisolated event.
So then Katie Turr, who wasdoing that interview with Dowd
at the time, she decided tocover herself and Gloria as well
(21:46):
.
So she couldn't help herself,right?
She couldn't help herself andshe said you know what?
Donald Trump is going to usethis shooting to his advantage.
That's what she's saying here.
Check this out.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
After one of the Doge employees was allegedly
attacked in Washington DC.
That's what Donald Trump usedas justification to send in
federal troops into WashingtonDC to get things under control.
The carjacking situation.
He used that and I know it'shard to predict the future, mark
, but you can imagine theadministration using this as a
(22:22):
justification for something.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh yes, and I wonder why we have people going off the
deep end.
Because people like this notonly politicos but the
mainstream media saying look out, he's going to use this.
He's.
It's another one of those lines.
What she's saying is he'scoming for you.
That's what she's saying.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's sort of like a Walter Cronkite who covers when
JFK was was shot in Dallas,which was just like it again.
It didn't matter and I knowthat he was the president, but
still the focus wasn't.
It doesn't matter if you agreewith this person politically or
not.
He was the president, but stillthe focus wasn't.
It doesn't matter if you agreewith this person politically or
not.
We're not in the day and agethat you just go and take
somebody's life when, when youknow when you disagree with them
(23:00):
, but maybe we are in that dayand age.
Well, and the sad thing is, asyou know, some of my friends are
trickling in texts.
They're asking do you thinkthis will trigger an actual
movement for people to change,start waking up and changing
their mind?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean, I can only hope so, but you, you just I
hope, I just hope it doesn'tstart silencing people.
I mean, cause that lets thatlets guys like that shooter win.
It's trying to silence and wejust have to keep speaking out,
and people have to keep speakingout because we need to have
those debates.
And so Matt Dowd can sit thereand I mean, why doesn't he go
over there?
You don't like it?
(23:32):
Debate with him, right, that'sall he was doing.
I mean it's stunning.
It just it is really, reallystunning.
And again I go back to thesesame people who you could burn
down a police station.
They're cool with that, yeah,but this guy debating oh man,
that's hate and this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Because, too, remember, matthew Dowd is
intellectually lazy now becausehe can't win the debate, right,
right, so then he says, then hejust says, yeah, hate, hate
speech, hate speech, hate speech.
Okay, so why don't you actuallyhave a debate on the merits?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
and, by the way, and these are the same people who
wonder why ice um ice officershave to have to have to mask
their faces, yeah, and kids ofviolence?
Oh, this is just crazy why theydo that.
What are they worried about?
Yeah, this is what they'reworried about, right?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
yeah, from the left it's super frightening there
Well and it gets worse, you guystoday.
So in Congress they wanted todo a call for prayer for Charlie
Kirk and his family, and I wantto play the video of this
because not everybody was onboard with doing something as
simple as just offering up aprayer for this family.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
So what you'll hear in this video, because it is
hard.
So when I hit, hit the play onthis, just so you guys know.
Uh, mike johnson is at thelectern, okay, and he says to
lauren lauren bobert fromcolorado wants to do the prayer.
Okay, so they were gonna have a, they had a moment of silence.
But lauren lauren, lauren boberis like hey, can we say a
prayer for charlie kirk?
(24:49):
And then you're going to hearit's tough to hear, but there is
a, there is a swear word here,and, and i're going to hear,
it's tough to hear, but there isa, there is a swear word here,
and, and we're going to leave itin.
But I do believe you hearJasmine Crockett and some people
pushing back that they, they donot want this to happen on the
floor of the house.
Again, he was taken down anhour and a half before this,
(25:11):
right, and then this ends upbeing what and how it all shakes
out.
Purpose of the gentle lady fromColorado, right, that's Lauren
Bobert.
Here she comes, so she's askingfor prayer here, a moment of
(25:33):
prayer.
You hear them saying no.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Let's, let's, let's wait a minute.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Just wait a minute.
The house will be in order.
The house will be in order.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So what she?
Did right there was.
She dropped an F-bomb in themiddle of the, in the middle of
the house floor, saying no, Idon't want to do this and who do
we think was doing that?
No, it was Jasmine Crockett,jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
And remember, this isn't asking for a resolution
supporting Charlie Cook.
It's a pray for his life.
At that time he was in criticalcondition and we can't do that
I know.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Heaven forbid we ever come together, for the sake.
It's like we're so divided onwhere we stand on these issues
that we can't come together on asimple Well, because you
dehumanize people when the otherside are Nazis and racists, and
you know go figure.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And then again that gets to the people that are
deeply mentally ill.
You fold them into this andthey are the tip of the spear
that are unable to controlthemselves.
So we've seen that in NewMexico.
So here are a couple of localexamples of what.
What has happened here in thestate Many of you know this it
happened earlier this year, inMarch of 2025.
(26:47):
And that's the Republican Partyheadquarters here was firebombed
.
I mean literally, someone camein with a firebomb through it
and did a ton of damage to theRPNM offices.
Again, this is no excuse forthis whatsoever.
You heard very little from anyof our leaders on this.
You know nothing, like youshould have standing up and
(27:07):
saying enough of this, but wedon't have those moments anymore
, sadly, and so you continue tosee political leaders hide in
situations like this and then itjust keeps getting worse.
Now the Charlie Kirk situation.
Everybody has come out andeverybody normal politico has
come out and said we can't havethis Right, you can't.
But that's again cold comfortwhen you see people like Gavin
(27:30):
Newsom going out and saying, hey, we've got to punch these guys
in the face.
He's used that exact verbiage.
So to some people, punchingsomeone in the face is taking a
long gun and taking a shot atthem.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, I mean again, like we've talked about this.
You know, on our show a lot isjust how important our rhetoric
is, how important it is to bemindful and responsible, from
whether you're a newscaster or aleader or whatever.
You know, jay, you mentioned itbut, like when you were running
for office, mark, in thegovernor's race, a news report
came out.
(28:01):
They let a woman get on the air, say inappropriate things,
violent things, about what Markwas going to do to women, which
was terrible.
And the next day our windowsare shot out right and Mark's on
the road.
I'm at home.
I have to call you, jay, tocome and make sure that we're
(28:22):
okay here.
You know, and we're just one ofa handful, that that's happened
to it's violence has happenedto the other side as well, here,
on a statewide level as well.
So things like that, just youknow it keeps perpetuating and
we just we keep saying, oh, thisis, you know, I guess this is
the new normal, and so you signon for that.
What was interesting was, evenafter the Senate race, you know,
(28:48):
there was a man that continuedto threaten Mark and our family.
He wanted you off the air atthe station.
He kept making comments to youat the station.
He would send you harassingemails.
He was he was very threatening,he was making incredibly
inappropriate comments about meand the girls, to the degree
that the FBI ended up having toget involved with our case, and
that man spent a year and a halfbehind bars.
Thank goodness, because again,it's a mental stability issue
and I think we have to be payingattention to those loose
(29:12):
cannons, because they're outthere and it's just because, hey
, I don't like you because youstand with this situation or you
believe in this policy.
So I believe that this is equalto you.
Know, I can go after youviolently.
I don't know where thatboundary, how that boundary got
so mixed up lately.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Well, I just think you can have really tough
debates about issues lately.
Well, I just think you can havereally tough debates about
issues and they want to attackMark because he's going to give
tax breaks to businesses and,you know, going to cut the
whatever.
You can have that debate whenyou start saying so-and-so is a
Nazi who is going to destroy ourdemocracy in our country and
and lock women up in the like.
That's where you, that's whereyou cross a line, and it used to
(29:54):
be.
You said something like that.
You called someone a racist.
Oh, you better have thereceipts yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
You better have receipts or it's going to and if
you called someone a Nazi, yourcareer was probably over.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Well, and I think that was the biggest.
You know, that was the issuethat I had, you know, and I let
the TV station have it the daythat I was like why would you
air this just open air pressconference with some girls that
doesn't know, Mark, from a holein the wall, get up there and
have access to a mic?
And then it wasn't live.
They edited it and they airedit multiple times and I was like
what are you doing?
Like this is what incitesviolence right here, and yet you
(30:28):
don't take ownership of that.
You know it's not true.
You don't come to our side ofthe campaign to get our response
on that story.
You just let it just run.
And I think you know, moredangerously, you look at other
situations.
Brett Kavanaugh, you know, withthe Supreme court justice, he,
you know he was almost takendown in 2022.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
If you guys don't remember, you know this one was,
yeah, this one was so close,right, right, I mean looking
back at it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And it was instigated by chuck schumer.
Yeah, I mean yeah, and you goback to.
They're not even supposed to beprotesting in front of those
house, right?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
and this happens and he gets played, downplayed,
downplayed, downplayed, yeah Ibelieve the exact words from uh,
chuck schumer were you, youreap what you sow.
Yeah, you reap what you sow,reap what you sow.
And then he was basicallysaying he was opening up the,
the, the wide open opportunityto go out there and take a shot
at one of our supreme courtjustices.
There's no question he wouldhave died.
(31:21):
They, they would.
This guy would have killed him.
They found him with a gun.
He was going to kill him.
So, so how many more times doesthis have to happen?
And then the luigi manjonithing.
Right, so he does.
This man, joni, goes and gunsdown the, the head of of United
Health Care.
And what's the response?
The response is OK, let's setup a defense fund for this clown
(31:42):
and give him a ton of money.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
What do you have?
New newscasters that were, youknow, talking about how
attractive the guy was and howyou know that we just need to
hear the side of him and whatyou know, an insurance bad.
So therefore, this is justified, I mean, and on the on the flip
side too, I mean you look atsomebody like Josh Shapiro in
Pennsylvania, which we don'thave a headline for that, but
you guys will recall that hishis house.
You know, the governor ofPennsylvania a clearly a
(32:06):
Democrat, but people disagreedwith him and they lit his house
on fire.
I mean, it's just like there isextreme.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Well, look what just happened in Colorado.
It just happened because of theanti-Semitism where the woman
was killed.
I mean, this violence, I justthink, continues to get worse
and worse and worse because it'snot called out clearly enough.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
It's just blurred yeah.
It's both sides-ism.
Oh yeah, it's this.
Oh, you know, you said he wassoft on crime and that's the
same as him calling you a Naziracist.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's not, no, it isn't.
And so I want to ask you guyswhere do you think we go from
here?
What is the first of all?
Jay, you're going to beinvolved in campaigns going
forward here.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
What do you think this does to the political
environment in 2026?
I just think we have a verypolarized political environment
and this is kind of why, andwhat charlie kirk was was so
great about it is he wascrossing to have people talk who
disagree with each other andtalk to people you see on social
media.
Everything else you just getserved what you agree with.
You know, I've just got allthis motorcycle racing stuff and
cowboy stuff but but likethere's.
I guess there are other teamsand stuff, but the he was.
(33:18):
I think that's the problem.
And so where do we go?
I don't, I don't know.
I think it's very polarized andI think people have to start
demanding more from you, know,elected officials.
Unfortunately, the more youknow in the left call someone a
Nazi, the more money they raiseon their email appeals, and so
they're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
We just got another breaking news announcement here
from FBI Director Kash Patel.
It says the subject in custodyhas been released after an
interrogation by law enforcement.
Our investigation continues andwe will continue to release
information in interest oftransparency.
So, as of the time of usrecording this, which is 6
o'clock six o'clock on.
(33:58):
Wednesday we are.
They are still on a manhuntlooking for the suspect in
today's violent act againstCharlie Kirk and our prayers
obviously are with this family.
Um, his poor wife they gotmarried in 2021, his two young
daughters.
I just think about that.
I again just it.
You know, I'm sure she's justsitting there going what in the
(34:18):
world these kids, I mean myheart breaks for them.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And you think of these kids that lost.
I mean, yeah, the conservativemovement lost a lot.
The country lost someone whowas contributing a lot to it,
but you think of those two kids?
Because he was debating,because someone didn't like his
ideas on issues, these kids nowdon't have a dad.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's outrageous.
I do think one of the impactson this could be sort of the red
pilling of younger people thatrealize, oh my gosh, if you go
in and say what you really think, you've got certain people in
this country that will doanything in their power to shut
you down.
Yeah, and I think that's arepellent philosophy and I think
(35:04):
it will push more and moreyoung people who are already
moving in the direction ofconservatism, which is kind of
amazing.
But I think this could makethat.
That could hasten that move.
It really could.
And I think there has to besome understanding on the far
left or really in the mainstreamDemocratic Party to say enough
of this.
When are they going to havetheir sister soldier moment
(35:27):
where they say we're not doingthis anymore?
It's what Bill Clinton did whenhe was running for president.
He stood up to his own partyand said stop enough and it
starts mainstream media.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
It starts on college campuses too, where professors
stop trying to indoctrinate, butI'm not holding my breath for
that to be honest.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, there's no doubt Christy thoughts on where
you think this is going.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Well, I mean number one.
My hope, first and foremost, isthat they catch the person
that's responsible for this andthe maximum sentence could be
issued.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Which is in the state of Utah, death.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, and it should be at this point.
You just took the life of ayoung father.
You know a young father andhusband, um, so obviously that's
top concern.
My second concern really is howwe manage moving forward,
especially for our youth.
Obviously, that goes to myheart right away is because a
lot of my students love him.
They actually have gone and methim on campuses.
They've done the debate.
(36:21):
They got excited cause they gotto get on video with him.
I mean, they're big supportersof him.
So you know, tomorrow as I gointo these classrooms, I'm
thinking about these kids andhow impacted they're going to
feel.
And how do I, how do I begin toexplain this?
And then you know again, partof the class I teach is about
rhetoric and being responsiblewith it.
It is not supposed to be usedto like get people all fired up
(36:43):
in a negative, violent way,right, that's one of the things
I teach is that you know youlook at somebody like Martin
Luther King, who, junior, whoreally used rhetoric not for
violence but to try to makechange.
And so when something you seesomebody like a Charlie Kirk,
these young kids see this as aninfluence and then how you know
what happens to him.
(37:05):
I just fear for our youth.
I want our youth to still feellike what Jay is saying your
voices still need to be heard.
We shouldn't have, we shouldnot be a country that is fearful
of voicing what we stand by andour you know, our love for our
country, our love for our faithshould not be diminished, and so
I hope, I hope and my prayer is, is that we all find a way, as
(37:25):
parents, as teachers, asguardians of these young people,
to carry on with what CharlieKirk was after, which is, again,
freedom of speech, freedom ofhaving a healthy discussion and
debate, and having the right tobe heard and to disagree in a
respectful way.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
And he's.
You know he was voicing hisopinions on stuff, but he was
listening to the other side, andthat's something else.
You have to be able to listento the other side.
I mean I do it.
You have to listen because youhave to be able to beat their,
you know, beat them in theirarguments.
But the other thing is you haveto be able to listen to people
because it's really the more youdo that and the more you
understand doesn't necessarilygoing to change where you're
(38:01):
coming from or you're, butthere's a there's a respect
thing that goes, and it's veryhard to um, they become humans
when you, when you do that and Ithink that's something that he
did.
He was all right, talk to me,prove me wrong, you know, and
and that's giving someonerespect.
People don't listen to eachother anymore, you know they
don't listen.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Here's a question I have for you guys and Mark, you
answered the question you justasked us, but add to that is you
know we were pretty frustrated,especially as we covered the
Trump, you know, assassinationson Trump's life and we heard
very little follow up right formonths after that situation on
the individual.
Do you guys think we're goingto hear more about this suspect?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yes, because the federal government in charge of
it's Trump's.
So the answer is going to beyes, you're going to hear a ton.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And I think, because this it's like you know, your
daughter saw him first.
My son sent it to me rightbefore I got any alerts there.
He's so big among the youththat and it's going to be so
loud, I think, in areas wherewhere we're not normally, it's
not on the social media stuff, Ithink it's this is going to be
big.
This feels big to me.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
This feels jay, this is big and I think it's big, for
for the some of the reasonsyou're talking about social
media and this is, this is jfkin the respect that you see it.
It's there on video, right, andit's devastating.
We thought.
I thought when I watched thatvideo, I thought this must be AI
.
When you watch the full version, it's awful.
Please don't do it.
(39:29):
I wish I could not do it.
I can't get it out of my head.
But, there's like that's whatyou saw with JFK and it is now.
I get that he was a president.
I'm not equating the two inthat respect, but it is
important.
And, jay, given your point onTikTok and everything else, this
video's everywhere.
It's everywhere and soeveryone's going to see it in
(39:49):
that respect, so I think thatmakes this a total game changer.
It's not something that happenswhere you don't see it and in
the Trump situation, trumpsurvived.
It hit his ear, but had heturned his head, that would have
been that same sort of thing.
So, yeah, I think it'sabsolutely much bigger than I
think we're even accounting forright now.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And I'm sure we're.
I'm expecting to hear fromTrump I imagine he'll do some
sort of press conference on thisFairly certain, I mean, would
you guys expect that or no?
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, I do.
I assume he'd be prettyemotional about it too.
I would think.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, emotional about it too, I would think.
Yeah, I mean, I think we werepretty close with him.
I know that he gives CharlieKirk a lot of credit for
drumming up support for him,especially with the younger
voters.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
And it's like you bring up JFK and no one's
equating to a president.
But the fact that this man wasout there being a patriot,
debating in the public arenaabout issues and gets killed,
that's huge.
That is huge and as a countryyou've got to take notice Like
(40:51):
whoa.
I don't Jasmine Crockettdisagree with everything.
If that was her, that's how youknow, you'd say the prayer.
You'd say the prayer.
And you'd be outraged.
And that's why to me, it's big,because he was having a debate
on a college campus and if allof a sudden that's too offensive
, we're going to start shootingat people.
That's outrageous, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
And you wonder too, and it's always difficult,
because what we're going to tellour kids is don't be afraid to
stand up and speak out.
Meanwhile they're looking atvideo of someone having their
life ended right in front ofthem for standing up and
speaking out Right.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
And that's where you hope it doesn't have the silence
effect.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Right, but we're putting a lot on our kids to do
that.
We're saying to them in apretty big way trust us, Keep
speaking out.
They're looking at it goingreally.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Well, I know and trust me, keep speaking out.
They're looking at it going.
Really Well, I know and like,trust me, like I even the
conversation I had with Ava, whois pretty shaken up by this,
quite honestly, like she, um,you know she's one of your
biggest fans as far as likebeing out there and let's talk
about policy.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Well in all, fairness , just real quickly before you
get going.
Uh, in all fairness, uh, we hada, we had a dust up with Charlie
Kirk.
We did.
Charlie said some stuff thatwas less than complimentary of
me he did.
Now we don't need to get intoit, it doesn't matter now, and
we didn't hold any grudgeagainst that.
But Ava was like oh, I don'tknow about Charlie, ava was not
some huge hit because wedirectly had a little back and
(42:19):
forth with him.
We had a disagreement, which isit happens in politics, but you
, we had a disagreement, whichis it happens in politics, but
you still respect him andrealize what an incredible
journey he was on.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Well, and again, you can disagree with people all you
want.
You can't end their life Likethat's the line.
And you see, you know, ourdaughter, who loves to debate,
was looking so forward to havingCharlie Kirk come to her campus
.
She was hoping to watch this inreal time and I feel like the
(42:49):
video, unfortunately, has reallyshaken her and just the whole
concept of wait.
This really does happen.
It happens to people that arenot our president.
I think that's the way her mindis kind of processing this, and
I just.
That does concern me is howthis is going to be talked about
in schools and again, the mediabetter step up.
(43:11):
I don't have any faith thatthey will, but I certainly hope
they don't come back and saythis was on him and this was his
fault and all that, like thatwill be the most disappointing
answer.
Or that we bury this and thisis yesterday's news story in 24
hours, like then.
We haven't learned anything.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I don't think it will .
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
It feels bigger to me .
Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I agree, and I think you're going to see some of this
now, the both sides.
Ism is what I think you'regoing to get, I think that's
what you're going to get.
You're going to get thepolitically on both sides.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
It needs to calm down when the reality of the
situation is it's more one-sided.
Yeah, no, I mean, we have, youknow, idiots that have done.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
There's no question.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
We had a guy in the military militant left movement
and there just is, and you're,you're, you're ignorant if
you're, if you don't see that,yeah, it's just, it's a fact,
yep.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Okay, all right.
Well, you guys, thanks verymuch.
I this was not our anticipationin doing this show this way.
We had another show for you.
It's actually a show that Ithink we're going to take a lot
of the elements of and do onSunday.
There is some stuff happening inthe mayor's race that will
absolutely blow your mind, andit is you.
Look at what the mayor ofAlbuquerque is trying to do and
(44:21):
using local media to try to doit with your tax dollars.
Albuquerque is trying to do andusing local media to try to do
it with your tax dollars.
We were just like holy cow.
We didn't believe it, but weare going to have that for you
on Sunday.
We're going to have some otherstories as well, but again, when
you get the opportunity to praytonight, please pray for
Charlie Kirk's family.
Please pray for him.
I think he's somebody who madehis faith in Christ very well
known, so I think his eternityis secured, but his poor wife
(44:45):
and his beautiful little kidswill never have their dad around
because somebody decided thatthey could take it into their
own hands.
And let's be the people whomake sure that we're always
fighting on the issues, onwhatever side you fall on and
make sure you're alwaysrespectful of other people.
So thanks so much.
We appreciate it.
Thanks for watching the noDoubt About it podcast and we'll
see you back here coming up onSunday.
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There is no doubt about it.
all right, this is not the show we anticipated
doing for you today.
Uh, we actually had a wholedifferent show, but given what's
happened to charlie kirk in adevastating situation in utah he
has been taken down by a bulletand and died earlier today and
(00:35):
so we are going to talk aboutthat.
Christy's here.
Uh, jay mccleskey's here.
We have a unique setup here.
No, there are no three shots youcan't see everybody at, but I
promise you we are all in thesame room together and I just
want to start by, first of all,getting some reflections from
you guys and understanding thepoint that saying a quick thing
(00:56):
here because of some of theplatforms and the way that they
take certain words and throttledown the reach of certain shows,
because of it, we have to becareful in the way we speak
about this.
We understand exactly themagnitude of this and the words
that are being used by everybodyare exactly correct and when
(01:17):
someone, what happened toCharlie today was devastating
and horrendous and it is part ofa larger pattern that we're
going to talk about here in abunch of different ways.
But I just want to get you guysto give us your take first.
I guess Christy just thoughtswhen this all went down earlier
this afternoon.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, it's horrific and it's almost one of those
things that you don't believe ishappening when it is happening.
And I think what's sointeresting is the influence
he's had on so many young people, including our kids and some of
my students I teach you knowimmediately.
It's interesting to see that'swho found out about this news
(01:56):
first, and the youth of todayare who started spreading this
information really quicklybecause this connection was so
strong with a lot of youngerpeople.
So to hear about it throughyour kids and and their
perspective on this, it'shorrific.
It's like your worst nightmare.
We're not going to show thevideo, but the video is is
(02:19):
horrific.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So, jay, I mean, I think it's, this is is huge.
I think it's bigger, um, itfeels different, um, because of
everything that happened.
But, like you, my son was theone that first sent me the video
.
I'm pretty plugged in, but hehad it right away.
My son and daughter both followhim and I think it's shocking
to them and you realize yourkids here, and it's a huge
political story, obviously, theimpact he's had on politics.
(02:43):
But we also got to remember,speaking of kids, this guy's dad
with young kids who just hadtheir father taken from them
because of this guy wanting todebate in a public square.
I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, and we're going to get to that, because I think
that's the part of this that Iwant to make incredibly clear.
There are going to be peoplewith as this continues to
develop over the next couple ofdays that I want to make
incredibly clear.
There are going to be peoplewith as this continues to
develop over the next couple ofdays, that are going to try to
tell you that Charlie Kirk isfar right or he's an extremist
or whatever.
He's not.
He's not.
He spoke regularly of his faithin God and what he tried to do
(03:17):
every single day was say let'sdebate it and wait till you see
the first soundbite we have fromhim, taken two days ago.
It was prophetic.
It was prophetic in what hesaid.
So this whole thought that he'ssome sort of extremist who had
it coming is horrendous and nottrue, and some of the reaction
to him and what happened to himtoday is off the charts,
(03:40):
horrible.
I mean, we're going to pointout some of that as well,
there's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I mean, it's just cowardly.
It's just, the whole thing isdisgusting.
I don't think the gunmandeserves any awards or kudos for
what he did.
It's, it's a cheap shot thatprobably anyone could do down at
this range on the west side ofalbuquerque.
Yeah, um, but especially with ahunting rifle with the scope,
if that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Again, yeah, we're doing this quick, we haven't
confirmed everything right andjust a couple quick details on
this and what we know.
Uh, number one uh, charlie kirkhad just begun speaking to
about 3 000 students at utahvalley, and so he was sitting,
as he usually does, under acanopy, and then what ended up
happening was he was answeringquestion number two.
(04:22):
You could see, uh, you heard ashot fired and then he was hit
in the right side of his neck,it looks like, or left side of
his neck, excuse me, as he wassitting there and it's
horrendous video, so I wouldjust please, if you don't, stay
away from it.
I just don't even want to getinto it and show it in any way,
shape or form and really,judging by the video it was, he
(04:45):
had no chance.
He had absolutely no chance.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Well, let's go.
Let's throw to this firstannouncement.
This was the the first peoplethat we could find that could
make a confirmation.
Um, it was on real America'svoice.
Um, shortly after, when we wereall kind of questioning what's
going on, is Charlie Kirk Okay,and this was the very first news
to break that?
So we want to play that clipfor you right now.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
John Solomon.
John, is he with us?
Are you with us, john?
Yeah, you're reporting.
Charlie has passed.
Tell us what you know, john.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yeah, talked to multiple officials in the United
States government and twopersonal friends, but he passed
a short while ago, wasn't ableto survive the blood loss from
the wound to his neck.
There'll be some announcementssoon, is what I'm told, and then
we'll have to sort through whathappened today, who's
responsible, and try tounderstand how something so
(05:36):
senseless could occur.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Now it's important to note to Real America's Voices
where Charlie Kirk's show airs.
So the minute that happened andJohn Solomon came out, it was
like okay, we know this.
Is it because they had verygood sourcing on this?
Clearly because they had beenobviously been very close to
Charlie.
And then President Trumpshortly thereafter issued this.
(05:59):
The great and even legendaryCharlie Kirk is dead.
No one understood or had theheart of the youth in the United
States of America better thanCharlie.
He was loved and admired by all, especially me, and now he is
no longer with us.
Melania and my sympathies goout to his beautiful wife, erica
, and family.
Charlie, we love you.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Okay and just I know this kind of seems a little
trite, but I want to make surethat everybody knows who Charlie
Kirk is.
I actually have gotten sometexts today when I actually
reached out to people to letthem know and they didn't know
who he was.
Again, he's very well-knownamongst anybody that's in the
political sphere and the youthof today really, I think, have
(06:42):
really tapped into him.
But Charlie Kirk was 31 yearsold.
He was married with two youngkids and a political activist
that started Turning Point, Ibelieve at the age of something
like 18 or 19.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
18 in his parents' garage where he was making cold
calls to donors to give himmoney.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, and he actually one of the donors from the
Republican Governors Associationhelped get that off the ground
in 2012.
And the impact he had you talkabout how republicans did with
gen z voters and shocking thedemocrats.
Well, he played a big role inthat.
He would show up at collegecampuses and and debate and
bring a conservative message andhave the debate and because
(07:19):
those, those views, aren'treally told much in college
campuses by professors or anyoneelse and he knew that and
that's why he set out to do thatand he accomplished.
I mean, he built a movement andthere's not many people can say
they built a movement.
Yeah, you go back to.
He had his hands, you know, abig impact, including in your
governor's race.
If you remember when, whengovernor desantis came out here,
(07:40):
it was charlie kirk'sorganization who organized that
and helped get him out here no,it's very true.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And and we ended up, uh, having governor desantis
down in carlsbad but had charliekirk not set that up because he
had kind of a swing that camethrough here and it came through
arizona and went to go seekerry lake, uh, we, we, we would
not have had him here, I don'tthink by any stretch, and they
paid for him to come out herefor char through.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
They paid for it Charlie Kirk's organization.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, and they also do something which was huge.
They do a lot of get out thevote.
I mean, they really do, andthat's something that we need in
this state that we're lookingat doing.
There's no question that that'sgoing to be some of, I think,
what we're going to mentioned it, it is that it is that
personality that went out andwanted to talk one-on-one.
(08:27):
So two days ago there was videotaken of Charlie Kirk and
someone came up to him I thinkit's a British woman or
something like that walks up tohim and says hey, why do you do
this?
Like what is going on?
Like because people who don'tknow him don't understand what
he's really doing.
So if you sit there and watch awhole hour and a half that he
does with these college students, you see that he's engaging
(08:50):
back and forth.
One thing you very quickly getwith him is he's very smart.
He's very well-read.
You're crazy if you don't thinkhe's super smart.
He is.
I know he didn't go to fancycolleges and everything else.
He didn't go to college, didn'thave to.
I'm telling you, just listeningto him, how well read he is on
the Bible, how well read he ison American history.
It is, it's impressive.
(09:11):
So I want you to just listen tothis, because this soundbite
here is not only prophetic, it's.
It's heartbreaking when youlisten to what he says because,
honestly, he's sort ofpredicting, in a way, his own
demise.
Speaker 8 (09:30):
I go around universities and have
challenging conversations,because that's what is so
important to our country is tofind our disagreements
respectfully, because whenpeople stop talking, that's when
violence happens.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
I've never seen someone do this.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
Well, it's a growing trend because people like me are
facing violence, assault, theleft yes, the campus, antifa.
I've been stormed out ofrestaurants.
I've been assaulted publicly,multiple death threats.
Okay, so what's your goal inall this?
There's more people that agreewith me than some people would
actually believe and they comeout of the woodwork.
(10:06):
When I do stuff like this, werecord all of it so that we put
it on the internet so people cansee these ideas collide.
When people stop talking,that's when you get violence.
That's when civil war happens,because you start to think the
other side is so evil and theylose their humanity.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Wow, very telling, you know, and so just so sad
that, and prophetic, really, thefact that he just shot that.
That was just aired a couple ofdays ago.
So I pulled this clip from FoxNews.
They did a nice tribute forCharlie and I wanted to share
some of this with you guys athome as well if you have not yet
seen it, and so we're going toplay that for you right now.
Speaker 9 (10:41):
Household name and conservative politics.
Charlie Kirk was a teenagergrowing up in the Chicago
suburbs.
He told the Daily Caller in2019.
He knew early on politicsmattered.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
I was always naturally conservative, loved
America, loved the values thatour country stood for, and I
never understood why you'd wantto deviate from that.
Speaker 9 (11:00):
Kirk thought he'd end up at West Point, the Army's
military academy, but afterbeing denied admission, he chose
to start something for himself.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
It's that old adage one door closes, another door
opens.
Of course it's correct.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
In summer 2012, turning Point, usa was born.
What started small later becamea political juggernaut, a
conservative youth activistorganization now operating on
3,500 high school and collegecampuses.
Kirk explained what drove himin his first Fox appearance 13
years ago.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
A lot of kids are feeling the effects of what we
like to call.
You know, with the Washingtoneconomy, with a lot of debt,
plummeting, small business withhigher regulation and high taxes
as the Tea Party movementevolved.
Speaker 9 (11:40):
Turning Point USA grew, so did its influence.
The AP writing Turning Point.
Events became more ornate,taking on a nightclub atmosphere
with strobe lights,pyrotechnics.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
So it gives you a little bit of background on
Charlie Kirk and again, likethey said, his influence with
youth was phenomenal.
I mean, I think the fact thathe was in, you know, kind of
close to them in age, heunderstood kind of what their
background was, what they'rethinking.
Another thing that happenedtoday this you know, when this
went down shortly thereafter,our daughter who attends Liberty
(12:13):
Ava attends Liberty sent usthese pictures.
They did a prayer vigil for hisfamily immediately, she said.
Thousands of people showed upon a moment's notice.
Charlie was scheduled to speakat Liberty in just a short
amount of time and so this ispart of a tour he does with
these college campuses andthat's where he was today when
this tragically came to ascreaming halt for him.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, Okay, so let's get a feel for Charlie, and it
really is an unbelievable legacy, even as short as it was at 31
years old.
But let's talk.
I want to talk in a broadersense.
You guys about where we arewith political violence, because
it is raging out of control,and I don't think we can.
You guys about where we arewith political violence because
it is raging out of control, andI don't think we can, you know,
create this little world whereyou try to do some both sides,
(12:57):
ism and everything else.
I don't think that that's wherewe are right now.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
No, I mean, I've been in politics for almost 30 years
and it's it's gotten out ofcontrol and I just, I truly
believe the liberals are gone.
There's a militant left and,yeah, we have some on our side,
(13:24):
but it's the militant left isvery aggressive on this stuff
and to ignore it and claim, dothe both sides-ism, I just don't
think is accurate.
I think there's it's aboutsilencing, and the thing with
Charlie was about silencing him.
And it's about when youdemonize somebody so much and I
go back to calling people nazis.
Yeah, and again, I've been inpolitics a long time.
You used to.
You said that, I mean your,your career was over, and now
it's a talking point on everyfundraising email coming from a
left-wing candidate you talkabout their conservatives want
(13:46):
to genocide against the transcommunity.
When you talk like that, you,you're basically licensing
people.
Why wouldn't you take someoneout who believes in genocide and
is a Nazi, and I just thinkthat stuff gets off the hook and
the violence.
It's clear.
I mean it's obvious everywhere.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, they accomplished.
This gunman today, accomplishedwhat they tried to do to Trump
in the campaign.
I mean, it was that close forTrump too, Trump.
It was that close for Trump too, Trump.
It was that close.
So it's like take a shot atTrump, almost kill him.
Get a shot at Charlie Kirk,kill him Because of exactly what
you're saying, Jay, which is,if every time they are a Nazi,
then people who are on the edgeof their faculties or people
(14:26):
that are losing it we're notsaying every Democrat's coming
out and wanted to do this.
They're not clearly right.
In fact, some of them view itas as nasty as you can, meaning
what they're looking at this asis.
They're looking at it as ameans to an end Just demonize
the other side.
It's no big deal.
It's a big deal when you've gotpeople on your own side that
can't distinguish between whatis just rhetoric in a cheap
(14:48):
talking point designed to take ashot at your opponent, and what
could actually send someoneover the edge to action right.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And what bothers me is and get up, start the media.
This, because what they'regoing to say about charlie kirk
now is this extreme right, this,that and the other.
He was debating like that's,that's as american as you get.
He was coming out and if youlook at the sign he has up, it's
proved me wrong.
He wanted people who disagreedwith him to debate and somehow
he's extreme.
But people burning down policestations and rioting are
(15:18):
patriotic and that again, wehave to call things the way they
are.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, and let's not forget, he came here to UNM in
2022.
And I mean protesters even backin 2022, were letting it rip at
Charlie for trying to be hereon campus.
It says state police this is anold KOB article we pulled it
says state police detained threeduring protests on UNM campus.
Charlie Kirk is the founder ofTurning Point USA, a
(15:47):
conservative nonprofit groupthat proclaimed to promote
freedom and limited government.
He was invited to speak at UNMby the Turning Point student
organization, but he didn'tlisten to that.
Claims.
I know I said that.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
Proclaims to promote yeah.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Other students with different viewpoints wanted to
make their voices heard.
Kirk waved to the dozens ofprotesters that had gathered at
UNM Campus.
Police enlisted the help of NewMexico State Police in riot
gear to detain three people,including one UNM student.
All were issued a criminalsummons for interfering with
officials or the general public,which is a petty misdemeanor.
Here's a quote from the UNMspokesperson Yesterday evening
(16:21):
they were engaged in response tothe actions of individuals
failing to disperse from theevent entrance ramp when they
were requested to do that.
University officials said therewas no property damage and
Kirk's speech and the protestersfree speech were successful.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well, speaking of that, here's the interaction
between Charlie Kirk and thecrowd, who is there to give him
the one finger, salute,basically.
But again, some of this is, yousee, in a way exactly his
approach, which is joyful.
He's not screaming back at him,he's not freaking out on this
whole thing and, believe me,they are screaming some
(16:54):
horrendous stuff here if youtake a close look at the video.
But it's just, that's somethingthat never bothered him ever.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Right, and he's just debating ideas, and he wanted to
debate people who disagree withhim, and that's how he changed
minds and that's what we'resupposed to be as a country.
I remember, when going toschool and starting out from
politics, no one, no one used tosay, oh, you can't say that or
you can't believe that.
And that's what I think hasreally changed to where now you
have, especially on collegecampuses, oh, no, no, no, no,
(17:22):
you can't have that opinion.
That's wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, the biggest thing he talked about at Turning
Point, and some of hisconventions especially, was just
the fact that he believed let'smake sure that we're protecting
the freedom of speech.
And I think, whether you agreedwith Charlie Kirk or you did
not agree with Charlie Kirk, thefact of the matter is, is this
is a horrific way of going aboutit, right, this is to end
somebody's life a young father,a husband, like it's just, it's
(17:48):
really sad.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So well, and what worries me about this is that
that it does not.
We, we think now and you see,there are a lot of people who
are saying very conciliatorythings on all platforms.
A lot of our leaders arethere's no doubt some or not,
which we'll get into in just asecond, but but some are in in
you kind of get this feeling ofoh my gosh, what a mess this is.
Hopefully this will allow us topivot and change.
(18:10):
I worry that it will.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I don't think it will , Because I think I mean,
honestly, I feel like it'sgetting worse.
You had someone's in prison now, right?
Yeah, no, we'll show you thatin a second.
I mean, like you faced violencemultiple times, multiple
instances, in your runs foroffice, Right?
I just worry that it gets, thatit gets people accepted, they
get you know immune to it.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think you're right, and so the
reaction from MSNBC as this isall going down.
What I'm about to show you Ican't even believe happened, but
I want to show you Matthew Dowd, who is on MSNBC, somebody who
(18:54):
truly is.
This is just horrendous.
What he says here, and he notonly blames Charlie Kirk for his
own death.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
The way he lays all this out is awful, and so I just
want you to hey, mark, beforeyou play that, realize this
guy's a political consultant,he's a speech writer.
This is not misspeaking, okay,this is what he truly believes,
right, right.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And this guy's an alleged pro who should know that
situations like this areincredibly volatile.
There's plenty you don't know,but look where he goes right
away.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Talk to me about the environment in which a shooting
like this happens.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yeah, and again I emphasize what you just
emphasized we don't know anyfull details of this, that we
don't know if this was asupporter shooting their gun off
in celebration or so we have noidea about this.
But, following up with what wasjust said, he's been one of the
most divisive, especiallydivisive younger figures in this
, who is constantly sort ofpushing this sort of hate speech
(19:46):
or sort of aimed at certaingroups.
And I always go back to hatefulthoughts lead to hateful words,
which then lead to hatefulactions, and I think that's the
environment we're in, that thatpeople just you can't stop with
these sort of awful thoughts youhave and then saying these
awful words and not expect awfulactions to take place.
(20:07):
And that's the unfortunateenvironment we're in.
What then lead?
Just it's stunning, justunbelievable.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Here's what happens.
So MSNBC their PR team getstogether and they put this tweet
together because they realizethey've stepped in it now.
It says statement from MSNBCPresident Rebecca Cutler quote
During our breaking newscoverage of the shooting of
Charlie Kirk, matthew Dowd madecomments that were inappropriate
, insensitive and unacceptable.
We apologize for his statements, as has he.
(20:37):
There is no place for violencein America, political or
otherwise.
The frustrating thing is isthat that's not what this guy's
go to was.
His go to is like hey, hebrought this on himself.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Why didn't the host call him on it immediately,
right?
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And shut that down?
Of course not.
She totally agreed with it.
Wait until there's a blowbackby the way, let's not forget to
the he-haw version of this,where his supporters are firing
them guns in the air.
That could have been how he waskilled.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That shows you his mentality for a conservative
right there and it's just likestop.
And then him.
The hateful thing.
It's just not true.
True if you go watch whatcharlie kirk does, whether you
agree with him or not,portraying it that way is
ridiculous.
And even if you did think whathe said was hateful, it doesn't
matter.
Part of this country is in partof the value of the united
(21:23):
states of america versus, say,britain, where you can't do this
anymore, which is say what youwant, I don't care how dumb it
is right, I mean it doesn't.
That's what we're all about inthis itstone.
Yeah, I mean, it's just unreal,and so Matthew Dowd is.
It's horrendous.
The problem is, it's not anisolated event.
So then Katie Turr, who wasdoing that interview with Dowd
at the time, she decided tocover herself and Gloria as well
(21:46):
.
So she couldn't help herself,right?
She couldn't help herself andshe said you know what?
Donald Trump is going to usethis shooting to his advantage.
That's what she's saying here.
Check this out.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
After one of the Doge employees was allegedly
attacked in Washington DC.
That's what Donald Trump usedas justification to send in
federal troops into WashingtonDC to get things under control.
The carjacking situation.
He used that and I know it'shard to predict the future, mark
, but you can imagine theadministration using this as a
(22:22):
justification for something.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Oh yes, and I wonder why we have people going off the
deep end.
Because people like this notonly politicos but the
mainstream media saying look out, he's going to use this.
He's.
It's another one of those lines.
What she's saying is he'scoming for you.
That's what she's saying.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's sort of like a Walter Cronkite who covers when
JFK was was shot in Dallas,which was just like it again.
It didn't matter and I knowthat he was the president, but
still the focus wasn't.
It doesn't matter if you agreewith this person politically or
not.
He was the president, but stillthe focus wasn't.
It doesn't matter if you agreewith this person politically or
not.
We're not in the day and agethat you just go and take
somebody's life when, when youknow when you disagree with them
(23:00):
, but maybe we are in that dayand age.
Well, and the sad thing is, asyou know, some of my friends are
trickling in texts.
They're asking do you thinkthis will trigger an actual
movement for people to change,start waking up and changing
their mind?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean, I can only hope so, but you, you just I
hope, I just hope it doesn'tstart silencing people.
I mean, cause that lets thatlets guys like that shooter win.
It's trying to silence and wejust have to keep speaking out,
and people have to keep speakingout because we need to have
those debates.
And so Matt Dowd can sit thereand I mean, why doesn't he go
over there?
You don't like it?
(23:32):
Debate with him, right, that'sall he was doing.
I mean it's stunning.
It just it is really, reallystunning.
And again I go back to thesesame people who you could burn
down a police station.
They're cool with that, yeah,but this guy debating oh man,
that's hate and this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Because, too, remember, matthew Dowd is
intellectually lazy now becausehe can't win the debate, right,
right, so then he says, then hejust says, yeah, hate, hate
speech, hate speech, hate speech.
Okay, so why don't you actuallyhave a debate on the merits?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
and, by the way, and these are the same people who
wonder why ice um ice officershave to have to have to mask
their faces, yeah, and kids ofviolence?
Oh, this is just crazy why theydo that.
What are they worried about?
Yeah, this is what they'reworried about, right?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
yeah, from the left it's super frightening there
Well and it gets worse, you guystoday.
So in Congress they wanted todo a call for prayer for Charlie
Kirk and his family, and I wantto play the video of this
because not everybody was onboard with doing something as
simple as just offering up aprayer for this family.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
So what you'll hear in this video, because it is
hard.
So when I hit, hit the play onthis, just so you guys know.
Uh, mike johnson is at thelectern, okay, and he says to
lauren lauren bobert fromcolorado wants to do the prayer.
Okay, so they were gonna have a, they had a moment of silence.
But lauren lauren, lauren boberis like hey, can we say a
prayer for charlie kirk?
(24:49):
And then you're going to hearit's tough to hear, but there is
a, there is a swear word here,and, and i're going to hear,
it's tough to hear, but there isa, there is a swear word here,
and, and we're going to leave itin.
But I do believe you hearJasmine Crockett and some people
pushing back that they, they donot want this to happen on the
floor of the house.
Again, he was taken down anhour and a half before this,
(25:11):
right, and then this ends upbeing what and how it all shakes
out.
Purpose of the gentle lady fromColorado, right, that's Lauren
Bobert.
Here she comes, so she's askingfor prayer here, a moment of
(25:33):
prayer.
You hear them saying no.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Let's, let's, let's wait a minute.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Just wait a minute.
The house will be in order.
The house will be in order.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So what she?
Did right there was.
She dropped an F-bomb in themiddle of the, in the middle of
the house floor, saying no, Idon't want to do this and who do
we think was doing that?
No, it was Jasmine Crockett,jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
And remember, this isn't asking for a resolution
supporting Charlie Cook.
It's a pray for his life.
At that time he was in criticalcondition and we can't do that
I know.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Heaven forbid we ever come together, for the sake.
It's like we're so divided onwhere we stand on these issues
that we can't come together on asimple Well, because you
dehumanize people when the otherside are Nazis and racists, and
you know go figure.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And then again that gets to the people that are
deeply mentally ill.
You fold them into this andthey are the tip of the spear
that are unable to controlthemselves.
So we've seen that in NewMexico.
So here are a couple of localexamples of what.
What has happened here in thestate Many of you know this it
happened earlier this year, inMarch of 2025.
(26:47):
And that's the Republican Partyheadquarters here was firebombed
.
I mean literally, someone camein with a firebomb through it
and did a ton of damage to theRPNM offices.
Again, this is no excuse forthis whatsoever.
You heard very little from anyof our leaders on this.
You know nothing, like youshould have standing up and
(27:07):
saying enough of this, but wedon't have those moments anymore
, sadly, and so you continue tosee political leaders hide in
situations like this and then itjust keeps getting worse.
Now the Charlie Kirk situation.
Everybody has come out andeverybody normal politico has
come out and said we can't havethis Right, you can't.
But that's again cold comfortwhen you see people like Gavin
(27:30):
Newsom going out and saying, hey, we've got to punch these guys
in the face.
He's used that exact verbiage.
So to some people, punchingsomeone in the face is taking a
long gun and taking a shot atthem.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, I mean again, like we've talked about this.
You know, on our show a lot isjust how important our rhetoric
is, how important it is to bemindful and responsible, from
whether you're a newscaster or aleader or whatever.
You know, jay, you mentioned itbut, like when you were running
for office, mark, in thegovernor's race, a news report
came out.
(28:01):
They let a woman get on the air, say inappropriate things,
violent things, about what Markwas going to do to women, which
was terrible.
And the next day our windowsare shot out right and Mark's on
the road.
I'm at home.
I have to call you, jay, tocome and make sure that we're
(28:22):
okay here.
You know, and we're just one ofa handful, that that's happened
to it's violence has happenedto the other side as well, here,
on a statewide level as well.
So things like that, just youknow it keeps perpetuating and
we just we keep saying, oh, thisis, you know, I guess this is
the new normal, and so you signon for that.
What was interesting was, evenafter the Senate race, you know,
(28:48):
there was a man that continuedto threaten Mark and our family.
He wanted you off the air atthe station.
He kept making comments to youat the station.
He would send you harassingemails.
He was he was very threatening,he was making incredibly
inappropriate comments about meand the girls, to the degree
that the FBI ended up having toget involved with our case, and
that man spent a year and a halfbehind bars.
Thank goodness, because again,it's a mental stability issue
and I think we have to be payingattention to those loose
(29:12):
cannons, because they're outthere and it's just because, hey
, I don't like you because youstand with this situation or you
believe in this policy.
So I believe that this is equalto you.
Know, I can go after youviolently.
I don't know where thatboundary, how that boundary got
so mixed up lately.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Well, I just think you can have really tough
debates about issues lately.
Well, I just think you can havereally tough debates about
issues and they want to attackMark because he's going to give
tax breaks to businesses and,you know, going to cut the
whatever.
You can have that debate whenyou start saying so-and-so is a
Nazi who is going to destroy ourdemocracy in our country and
and lock women up in the like.
That's where you, that's whereyou cross a line, and it used to
(29:54):
be.
You said something like that.
You called someone a racist.
Oh, you better have thereceipts yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
You better have receipts or it's going to and if
you called someone a Nazi, yourcareer was probably over.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Well, and I think that was the biggest.
You know, that was the issuethat I had, you know, and I let
the TV station have it the daythat I was like why would you
air this just open air pressconference with some girls that
doesn't know, Mark, from a holein the wall, get up there and
have access to a mic?
And then it wasn't live.
They edited it and they airedit multiple times and I was like
what are you doing?
Like this is what incitesviolence right here, and yet you
(30:28):
don't take ownership of that.
You know it's not true.
You don't come to our side ofthe campaign to get our response
on that story.
You just let it just run.
And I think you know, moredangerously, you look at other
situations.
Brett Kavanaugh, you know, withthe Supreme court justice, he,
you know he was almost takendown in 2022.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
If you guys don't remember, you know this one was,
yeah, this one was so close,right, right, I mean looking
back at it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And it was instigated by chuck schumer.
Yeah, I mean yeah, and you goback to.
They're not even supposed to beprotesting in front of those
house, right?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
and this happens and he gets played, downplayed,
downplayed, downplayed, yeah Ibelieve the exact words from uh,
chuck schumer were you, youreap what you sow.
Yeah, you reap what you sow,reap what you sow.
And then he was basicallysaying he was opening up the,
the, the wide open opportunityto go out there and take a shot
at one of our supreme courtjustices.
There's no question he wouldhave died.
(31:21):
They, they would.
This guy would have killed him.
They found him with a gun.
He was going to kill him.
So, so how many more times doesthis have to happen?
And then the luigi manjonithing.
Right, so he does.
This man, joni, goes and gunsdown the, the head of of United
Health Care.
And what's the response?
The response is OK, let's setup a defense fund for this clown
(31:42):
and give him a ton of money.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
What do you have?
New newscasters that were, youknow, talking about how
attractive the guy was and howyou know that we just need to
hear the side of him and whatyou know, an insurance bad.
So therefore, this is justified, I mean, and on the on the flip
side too, I mean you look atsomebody like Josh Shapiro in
Pennsylvania, which we don'thave a headline for that, but
you guys will recall that hishis house.
You know, the governor ofPennsylvania a clearly a
(32:06):
Democrat, but people disagreedwith him and they lit his house
on fire.
I mean, it's just like there isextreme.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Well, look what just happened in Colorado.
It just happened because of theanti-Semitism where the woman
was killed.
I mean, this violence, I justthink, continues to get worse
and worse and worse because it'snot called out clearly enough.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
It's just blurred yeah.
It's both sides-ism.
Oh yeah, it's this.
Oh, you know, you said he wassoft on crime and that's the
same as him calling you a Naziracist.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's not, no, it isn't.
And so I want to ask you guyswhere do you think we go from
here?
What is the first of all?
Jay, you're going to beinvolved in campaigns going
forward here.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
What do you think this does to the political
environment in 2026?
I just think we have a verypolarized political environment
and this is kind of why, andwhat charlie kirk was was so
great about it is he wascrossing to have people talk who
disagree with each other andtalk to people you see on social
media.
Everything else you just getserved what you agree with.
You know, I've just got allthis motorcycle racing stuff and
cowboy stuff but but likethere's.
I guess there are other teamsand stuff, but the he was.
(33:18):
I think that's the problem.
And so where do we go?
I don't, I don't know.
I think it's very polarized andI think people have to start
demanding more from you, know,elected officials.
Unfortunately, the more youknow in the left call someone a
Nazi, the more money they raiseon their email appeals, and so
they're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
We just got another breaking news announcement here
from FBI Director Kash Patel.
It says the subject in custodyhas been released after an
interrogation by law enforcement.
Our investigation continues andwe will continue to release
information in interest oftransparency.
So, as of the time of usrecording this, which is 6
o'clock six o'clock on.
(33:58):
Wednesday we are.
They are still on a manhuntlooking for the suspect in
today's violent act againstCharlie Kirk and our prayers
obviously are with this family.
Um, his poor wife they gotmarried in 2021, his two young
daughters.
I just think about that.
I again just it.
You know, I'm sure she's justsitting there going what in the
(34:18):
world these kids, I mean myheart breaks for them.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
And you think of these kids that lost.
I mean, yeah, the conservativemovement lost a lot.
The country lost someone whowas contributing a lot to it,
but you think of those two kids?
Because he was debating,because someone didn't like his
ideas on issues, these kids nowdon't have a dad.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's outrageous.
I do think one of the impactson this could be sort of the red
pilling of younger people thatrealize, oh my gosh, if you go
in and say what you really think, you've got certain people in
this country that will doanything in their power to shut
you down.
Yeah, and I think that's arepellent philosophy and I think
(35:04):
it will push more and moreyoung people who are already
moving in the direction ofconservatism, which is kind of
amazing.
But I think this could makethat.
That could hasten that move.
It really could.
And I think there has to besome understanding on the far
left or really in the mainstreamDemocratic Party to say enough
of this.
When are they going to havetheir sister soldier moment
(35:27):
where they say we're not doingthis anymore?
It's what Bill Clinton did whenhe was running for president.
He stood up to his own partyand said stop enough and it
starts mainstream media.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
It starts on college campuses too, where professors
stop trying to indoctrinate, butI'm not holding my breath for
that to be honest.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, there's no doubt Christy thoughts on where
you think this is going.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Well, I mean number one.
My hope, first and foremost, isthat they catch the person
that's responsible for this andthe maximum sentence could be
issued.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Which is in the state of Utah, death.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, and it should be at this point.
You just took the life of ayoung father.
You know a young father andhusband, um, so obviously that's
top concern.
My second concern really is howwe manage moving forward,
especially for our youth.
Obviously, that goes to myheart right away is because a
lot of my students love him.
They actually have gone and methim on campuses.
They've done the debate.
(36:21):
They got excited cause they gotto get on video with him.
I mean, they're big supportersof him.
So you know, tomorrow as I gointo these classrooms, I'm
thinking about these kids andhow impacted they're going to
feel.
And how do I, how do I begin toexplain this?
And then you know again, partof the class I teach is about
rhetoric and being responsiblewith it.
It is not supposed to be usedto like get people all fired up
(36:43):
in a negative, violent way,right, that's one of the things
I teach is that you know youlook at somebody like Martin
Luther King, who, junior, whoreally used rhetoric not for
violence but to try to makechange.
And so when something you seesomebody like a Charlie Kirk,
these young kids see this as aninfluence and then how you know
what happens to him.
(37:05):
I just fear for our youth.
I want our youth to still feellike what Jay is saying your
voices still need to be heard.
We shouldn't have, we shouldnot be a country that is fearful
of voicing what we stand by andour you know, our love for our
country, our love for our faithshould not be diminished, and so
I hope, I hope and my prayer is, is that we all find a way, as
(37:25):
parents, as teachers, asguardians of these young people,
to carry on with what CharlieKirk was after, which is, again,
freedom of speech, freedom ofhaving a healthy discussion and
debate, and having the right tobe heard and to disagree in a
respectful way.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
And he's.
You know he was voicing hisopinions on stuff, but he was
listening to the other side, andthat's something else.
You have to be able to listento the other side.
I mean I do it.
You have to listen because youhave to be able to beat their,
you know, beat them in theirarguments.
But the other thing is you haveto be able to listen to people
because it's really the more youdo that and the more you
understand doesn't necessarilygoing to change where you're
(38:01):
coming from or you're, butthere's a there's a respect
thing that goes, and it's veryhard to um, they become humans
when you, when you do that and Ithink that's something that he
did.
He was all right, talk to me,prove me wrong, you know, and
and that's giving someonerespect.
People don't listen to eachother anymore, you know they
don't listen.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Here's a question I have for you guys and Mark, you
answered the question you justasked us, but add to that is you
know we were pretty frustrated,especially as we covered the
Trump, you know, assassinationson Trump's life and we heard
very little follow up right formonths after that situation on
the individual.
Do you guys think we're goingto hear more about this suspect?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yes, because the federal government in charge of
it's Trump's.
So the answer is going to beyes, you're going to hear a ton.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And I think, because this it's like you know, your
daughter saw him first.
My son sent it to me rightbefore I got any alerts there.
He's so big among the youththat and it's going to be so
loud, I think, in areas wherewhere we're not normally, it's
not on the social media stuff, Ithink it's this is going to be
big.
This feels big to me.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
This feels jay, this is big and I think it's big, for
for the some of the reasonsyou're talking about social
media and this is, this is jfkin the respect that you see it.
It's there on video, right, andit's devastating.
We thought.
I thought when I watched thatvideo, I thought this must be AI
.
When you watch the full version, it's awful.
Please don't do it.
(39:29):
I wish I could not do it.
I can't get it out of my head.
But, there's like that's whatyou saw with JFK and it is now.
I get that he was a president.
I'm not equating the two inthat respect, but it is
important.
And, jay, given your point onTikTok and everything else, this
video's everywhere.
It's everywhere and soeveryone's going to see it in
(39:49):
that respect, so I think thatmakes this a total game changer.
It's not something that happenswhere you don't see it and in
the Trump situation, trumpsurvived.
It hit his ear, but had heturned his head, that would have
been that same sort of thing.
So, yeah, I think it'sabsolutely much bigger than I
think we're even accounting forright now.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
And I'm sure we're.
I'm expecting to hear fromTrump I imagine he'll do some
sort of press conference on thisFairly certain, I mean, would
you guys expect that or no?
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, I do.
I assume he'd be prettyemotional about it too.
I would think.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, emotional about it too, I would think.
Yeah, I mean, I think we werepretty close with him.
I know that he gives CharlieKirk a lot of credit for
drumming up support for him,especially with the younger
voters.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
And it's like you bring up JFK and no one's
equating to a president.
But the fact that this man wasout there being a patriot,
debating in the public arenaabout issues and gets killed,
that's huge.
That is huge and as a countryyou've got to take notice Like
(40:51):
whoa.
I don't Jasmine Crockettdisagree with everything.
If that was her, that's how youknow, you'd say the prayer.
You'd say the prayer.
And you'd be outraged.
And that's why to me, it's big,because he was having a debate
on a college campus and if allof a sudden that's too offensive
, we're going to start shootingat people.
That's outrageous, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
And you wonder too, and it's always difficult,
because what we're going to tellour kids is don't be afraid to
stand up and speak out.
Meanwhile they're looking atvideo of someone having their
life ended right in front ofthem for standing up and
speaking out Right.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
And that's where you hope it doesn't have the silence
effect.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Right, but we're putting a lot on our kids to do
that.
We're saying to them in apretty big way trust us, Keep
speaking out.
They're looking at it goingreally.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Well, I know and trust me, keep speaking out.
They're looking at it going.
Really Well, I know and like,trust me, like I even the
conversation I had with Ava, whois pretty shaken up by this,
quite honestly, like she, um,you know she's one of your
biggest fans as far as likebeing out there and let's talk
about policy.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Well in all, fairness , just real quickly before you
get going.
Uh, in all fairness, uh, we hada, we had a dust up with Charlie
Kirk.
We did.
Charlie said some stuff thatwas less than complimentary of
me he did.
Now we don't need to get intoit, it doesn't matter now, and
we didn't hold any grudgeagainst that.
But Ava was like oh, I don'tknow about Charlie, ava was not
some huge hit because wedirectly had a little back and
(42:19):
forth with him.
We had a disagreement, which isit happens in politics, but you
, we had a disagreement, whichis it happens in politics, but
you still respect him andrealize what an incredible
journey he was on.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Well, and again, you can disagree with people all you
want.
You can't end their life Likethat's the line.
And you see, you know, ourdaughter, who loves to debate,
was looking so forward to havingCharlie Kirk come to her campus
.
She was hoping to watch this inreal time and I feel like the
(42:49):
video, unfortunately, has reallyshaken her and just the whole
concept of wait.
This really does happen.
It happens to people that arenot our president.
I think that's the way her mindis kind of processing this, and
I just.
That does concern me is howthis is going to be talked about
in schools and again, the mediabetter step up.
(43:11):
I don't have any faith thatthey will, but I certainly hope
they don't come back and saythis was on him and this was his
fault and all that, like thatwill be the most disappointing
answer.
Or that we bury this and thisis yesterday's news story in 24
hours, like then.
We haven't learned anything.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I don't think it will .
I really don't.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
It feels bigger to me .
Yeah, it really does.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I agree, and I think you're going to see some of this
now, the both sides.
Ism is what I think you'regoing to get, I think that's
what you're going to get.
You're going to get thepolitically on both sides.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
It needs to calm down when the reality of the
situation is it's more one-sided.
Yeah, no, I mean, we have, youknow, idiots that have done.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
There's no question.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
We had a guy in the military militant left movement
and there just is, and you're,you're, you're ignorant if
you're, if you don't see that,yeah, it's just, it's a fact,
yep.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Okay, all right.
Well, you guys, thanks verymuch.
I this was not our anticipationin doing this show this way.
We had another show for you.
It's actually a show that Ithink we're going to take a lot
of the elements of and do onSunday.
There is some stuff happening inthe mayor's race that will
absolutely blow your mind, andit is you.
Look at what the mayor ofAlbuquerque is trying to do and
(44:21):
using local media to try to doit with your tax dollars.
Albuquerque is trying to do andusing local media to try to do
it with your tax dollars.
We were just like holy cow.
We didn't believe it, but weare going to have that for you
on Sunday.
We're going to have some otherstories as well, but again, when
you get the opportunity to praytonight, please pray for
Charlie Kirk's family.
Please pray for him.
I think he's somebody who madehis faith in Christ very well
known, so I think his eternityis secured, but his poor wife
(44:45):
and his beautiful little kidswill never have their dad around
because somebody decided thatthey could take it into their
own hands.
And let's be the people whomake sure that we're always
fighting on the issues, onwhatever side you fall on and
make sure you're alwaysrespectful of other people.
So thanks so much.
We appreciate it.
Thanks for watching the noDoubt About it podcast and we'll
see you back here coming up onSunday.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
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