Episode 229: Why our leaders ignore crime and healthcare while campaigning on vibes—and what it’s costing New Mexico

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SPEAKER_10 (00:00):
Wow, you can't have a it just doesn't matter what we
ask the producer for.
It just doesn't seem to happen.

SPEAKER_03 (00:08):
Well, she's a teenage girl.
Her name's Ella.
She's gonna do what she wants todo, and that's it.
That's that's the way it's gonnago.

SPEAKER_10 (00:13):
We're fine.
We are good.
Uh welcome to a beautiful Sundayin October.
Yeah.
In Albuquerque, where anytimeyou're talking the first week of
October in Albuquerque, it isthe event of the season.
That's right.
Let's it is the event of theseason.

SPEAKER_03 (00:29):
Well, I took a little bit of video just at our
front door today.
It is the official uh kickoffweekend for the International
Balloon Fiesta.
And for those of you who don'tuh live here, Ella, you may want
to zoom in a little bit.
I can't tell you that my videoum expertise is amazing, but uh,
it will just give you a littlebit.
You just wake up and there'sjust balloons all over the
place.
And for them to travel the theirway to our backyard is uh not

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what you see every single time.

SPEAKER_10 (00:53):
Not always.
We we're we're sort of a flightpath if the winds are right.
You know how that stuff goes,but we're not, you know, it's
not every time we're like seeingpeople dropping in the old
backyard.
No, that doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02):
But it they were so close today that I could hear
the them the burners, theburners.
Which I that's what woke me upactually this morning.

SPEAKER_10 (01:09):
Yeah, for those of you who are not from New Mexico
um and who listen to this show,it is if you're gonna come to
New Mexico and check out anevent, it is incredible.
I mean, there are a bunch ofgreat things to see here, but
but this is by far the mostamazing event that's put on
every year, and it is legendary.
There are some 400 plus balloonsthat go up.

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The numbers fluctuated over timeas Albuquerque's gotten bigger,
it's a little tougher to forthem to find places to land.
But the the balloon fiesta isincredible.
It's such a credit to the cityand to the state.
It's it's great to be part of itto be able to see it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42):
Yeah, and it's a good thing you're wearing your
Scorpion's football shirt tokick off the uh International
Balloon Fiesta.
Let's take time.
Let's talk a little bit aboutthat.

SPEAKER_10 (01:48):
Well, I gotta be honest with you.
Anytime you're talkingFarmington football, uh, you're
getting into the Scorps.
And so, you know, you just kindof go like that.
Just, you know, it's thatthey're that's what they do.
You know, it's how Scorpionstrikes you.
It's you know, the t-shirt.

SPEAKER_03 (01:59):
Is that you think that's what the kids are doing
these days?

SPEAKER_10 (02:01):
No, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 (02:02):
They're not doing that.
I'm just gonna go ahead and takea stab in the dark.
That is not what they're doing.

SPEAKER_10 (02:06):
Well, some of our close friends from Farmington
got this to us, so uh, I amproud to wear the Scorpion's
colors today.
I like it.
It's a good looking shirt,actually.

SPEAKER_03 (02:13):
You look solid.

SPEAKER_10 (02:14):
Yeah, no, we love it.
And uh, Farmington High School,great, great community up there
in San Juan County.
And by the way, speaking ofthat, great guest coming up on
Wednesday, Ken Christensen,former sheriff up there, is
gonna run again, but we're gonnatalk to him about life and law
enforcement and what ishappening in this country.
Interesting conversation withhim.
You definitely want to checkthat out on Wednesday.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (02:32):
And we also talked to him a little bit about what's
going on uh just in the statewith law enforcement.

SPEAKER_10 (02:36):
Yeah, no question.
And across the country and allthis different stuff that's
happening.

SPEAKER_03 (02:39):
So he's got some insight.
Okay, let's start with a coupleof quick emails and then we're
gonna dive right in.
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_10 (02:44):
Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 (02:44):
Okay, all right.
The first email comes in fromCheryl, I think is the way this
is said.
Cheryl, on the poll on being asanctuary state, I've lived here
for 34 years and I've never beenapproached to do a poll.
So how did they get theirnumbers?
Because I never even voted onbeing a sanctuary state.
So why don't you why don't youtalk a little bit about?
I mean, we you know polling sowell.

SPEAKER_10 (03:04):
So Well, you the reason you uh never were uh
consulted on being a sanctuarystate, uh Cheryl, is because you
never had a voice in it.
It was the mayor of Albuquerquewho basically swept through and
did that.

SPEAKER_03 (03:17):
So in the sanctuary state side is the governor.

SPEAKER_10 (03:20):
Yeah.
So when the state legislature oryour mayor or your city council
go in and say, we're not gonnacooperate, and they either pass
these things through differentlaws or or just the way that
they're interpreted.
A lot of times this stuff isn'teven about a law, it's about
what your governor or mayorchooses to do with the police
department.
And a lot of this can be sort ofan administrative thing, too.

(03:42):
So sanctuary states andsanctuary cities, you know, you
don't get a voice in them,unfortunately.
And I completely understand thefrustration in all of this.
Now, as far as polling goes, uh,you know, realistically, if
you're gonna do a poll of thewhole state, realistically, a
poll size for the whole state ofNew Mexico is 500 people, maybe.
You know, so I don't doubt thatCheryl hasn't gotten a call.
A lot of times that doesn'thappen, and sometimes you do.

(04:03):
We've been polled before.
Other times, you know, when whenwe've seen polling go out there,
you know, you wonder if you everget polled.
Now, I will say, the goodpolling outfits in the state,
Brian Sandros, pretty goodpollster.
Uh, there are pollsters likepublic opinion strategies who do
work in the state.
They're very, very good.
Now, it doesn't mean they'realways right on everything, but
you know, the polling can behelpful to tell you what the

(04:24):
direction of things are going.
You know, but again, not alwayscorrect.
A lot of times Trump islegendary for under polling and
things like that.
But but overall, uh, thatpolling can be can be beneficial
in some ways.

SPEAKER_03 (04:36):
Okay.
All right.
Well, here's our next one.
It says uh this came in fromKen.
Ken asked, Have you seenKeller's new campaign commercial
where he brags about notcooperating with ICE without a
warrant?
He hasn't done uh blank for NewMexico, but brags about this.

SPEAKER_10 (04:49):
Okay.
Well, we did.
When we got this email, wedecided to hunt down his ad.
And actually, I was watching thecowboy game a few minutes ago,
and Keller had this ad up.
We'll talk about why that'ssignificant in a second, but we
do want to play the ad for you,and then we'll break it down as
gently as possible.

SPEAKER_14 (05:06):
Oh no, it won't be gentle.

SPEAKER_10 (05:07):
Or not.

SPEAKER_14 (05:09):
Pop quiz.
True or false?
Tim Keller created the nation'sfirst community safety
department with mental healthresponders.
So police are freed up to fightcrime.

SPEAKER_10 (05:18):
Oh, yeah, they are.

SPEAKER_14 (05:18):
He created before and after school programs for
10,000 jobs.
2,500 affordable housing units.
And shelter with addictiontreatment for 1,000 homeless.
He's also blocking ice if theydon't have a warrant.

SPEAKER_19 (05:33):
We're getting a lot more done than the news media is
telling you about.
Approved by Tim Keller.

SPEAKER_10 (05:38):
Or that you're seeing with your own eyes
because you realize the crime,you realize the homelessness,
and you realize what type ofshape our city is in after eight
years of my leadership.
Yeah.
Although he didn't say that.
Uh, okay, so uh interestingfirst four-way foray into ads
for him.
I think, first of all, I I thinkgoing forward, not all of them
are going to be this flowery.

(05:59):
It they had a kind of apleasant-looking girl walking
around with a younger girl justsaying all these great things
that Keller has done that nobodycares about, quite frankly.

SPEAKER_03 (06:08):
Peppy music and yeah, just it's real, hey, hey,
hoo haya.

SPEAKER_10 (06:12):
You know, and so that that's the advantage you
get when you have four timesmore money than anybody else.
But he doesn't have so muchmoney that he can spend too much
time in this world.
So my guess is that he will uhstart to turn a little bit more
toward I'm gonna tackle Trumpkind of thing.
I think he's gonna pivot tothat.
But right now he's just doingthis kind of positive, flowery
ad.

(06:32):
Now, he ran it on the cowboygame.
And I will tell you, there is nobigger audience in the state of
New Mexico, period, than acowboy game.
They by far the biggest numbers.
You're gonna get 15, 16 ratingpoints out of a cowboy game.
That's 150, 160,000 people.
Okay.
I mean, not quite that much, butit's it's it's up in there.
Okay, it's in the 130 rangeanyway.

(06:55):
So that that is a lot of money.
Okay, so he's spending some realmoney to put an ad in.
He only ran one that I couldtell during the cowboy game.
But that's that's the like if ifwe're in a big campaign, that
was always our first choice.
You put it put an ad during acowboy game, especially when
it's competitive.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:11):
And so it's interesting, you know, this
whole thing I've been puttingall this money behind the
homeless, and we have a thousandbeds built.
Da-da-da-da.
This is the Gateway Center,right?
We've talked about this a littlebit.
We have people that go andactually serve there and try to
help out.
There's so many empty beds.
The problem is you can say I putthis infrastructure in place,
and but the fact of the matteris, is you're not filling the
beds.
Right.
So you can say you're doing allthis and and you still have a

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massive homelessness issue, andthere has been no actual work
towards getting those folks offthe streets.

SPEAKER_10 (07:38):
Right.
And I think part of what shesays in this ad, and this
classically happens withincumbents.
They're like, well, I did thethe Tommy Rigamarole uh program
to help uh Judy Thomas and herfriend.
You know, they do these littlethings that don't matter, right?
They don't matter.
Okay, so ultimately,homelessness is out of control,
and so is crime.
We all know this.

(07:59):
Keller has not emboldened policeofficers to enforce our laws
more.
In fact, he's put them in verydifficult positions to do that.
That's just a fact.
Everyone can see what's happenedwith crime.
It's undeniable.
And then the ice thing at theend.

SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
Leaning up against an ice machine.

SPEAKER_10 (08:14):
A ice machine.
Yeah, they lean up against anice machine.
Uh uh again, uh, Keller feelslike this helps him.
I I think it it doesn'tnecessarily help him.

SPEAKER_03 (08:21):
We're not gonna help find violent offenders and
criminals are here illegally.
You're welcome for that.
Well, anyway.
Unless you have a warrant, whichis so ridiculous because ice
always has the warrant.

SPEAKER_10 (08:30):
Right.
I I know, but but again, thatdoesn't, but again, he's just
trying to look like he'sstanding up to Trump.
He's running against Trump.
He's not running against DarrenWhite, right?
So we've said that, and that'swhat's going on here.
Again, I think what this tellsyou is he has more money than
everybody else.
He's never gonna get to 50% inthe first round of this thing.
He's just not going to.
He his his his favorability isonly 42 at best, and 60 plus

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percent of people want someonenew as their mayor.
So, you know, this guy's notgonna get out without doing a
runoff, and it looks likethat'll be Darren White, which
is kind of interesting too,because we got some comments on
that as well.

SPEAKER_03 (09:04):
Right, just uh talking about a a little bit
about these debates that arelike that, you know, KOET has
scheduled a debate.
Do you know what the date isagain?

SPEAKER_10 (09:11):
Yeah, it uh it does.
I got the details on that.
It is looking like it is goingto be October 15th.
There's going to be a debate onKOAT.
Now, I want to talk a little bitabout this because KOAT's
debates, um, first of all, theydo a nice job with debates
usually.
KOET does.
They're a professionalorganization and they they try
to really be balanced and andand figure out what to do.

(09:32):
So that's good.
Um, but so in the debate will beKeller, Louis Sanchez, Darren
White, and Alex Gibaez.
Okay?
Those are the four that theythink are competitive.
Now I want to talk about thisbecause I know that Mailing
Armijo was excluded and alsoEddie Varella.
What's that?
Eddie Varella as well, who EddieVarella, a good guy as well.

(09:53):
So you say, why aren't these twoin the debate?
I will tell you, uh, we had asimilar situation in the
governor's race in 2022.
We had a third-party candidatewho was actually Republican,
then switched to the third partybecause she didn't like that she
was not going to be the nomineeand decided that she was just
going to run against me and notMichelle, which, whatever.
Okay.
But she did not get into thedebate.

(10:13):
And that was a massive help tome.
You don't want people in adebate that that don't have a
chance to win.
It becomes a distraction.
And if you have five or sixpeople on a debate stage, nobody
gets enough time.
You don't get a chance to naildown your opponent, you don't
get the opportunity to holdtheir feet to the fire.
Because I was one on one withMichelle, it made it a lot
easier because you don't get abreak, you don't get a chance to

(10:36):
go hide while someone else isanswering and kind of pivot and
everything else.
So the fact that they're goingto have four candidates on here,
that is a little different.
I can understand why they're alittle concerned.
My guess is they went with a 5%threshold.
That you have to have at least5% of the vote in a in a
reputable poll to be on thestage.

SPEAKER_03 (10:53):
And they're using Brian Sanderolf's because that's
who that's who they put on theirair.
So they're probably looking atthat information.
Now, the argument there, Mark,is well, that's just a poll.
That's just one singular poll.
Why would they make thatdecision?
I mean, you have some insight onthat.

SPEAKER_10 (11:08):
Well, because you have to make some sort of
decision.
So my guess is they looked atmoney raised and they looked at
the poll.
I'm sorry, if you're not raisingmoney and you don't have any
poll results, you don't have away to reach voters.
It just isn't gonna happen.
You posting something on yourFacebook page while sounds good
to your 15 friends, it does notreach thousands of people.
This is different.

(11:28):
This is not your buddies votingin an election.
This is a a huge election, whichyou have, I don't know how many
hundreds of thousands of peopleyou're trying to really reach in
the Albuquerque mayor's race,but you are.
That's that's a big, big setup.
So to me, I think this wholething of excluding people who
don't qualify has to be done.
It absolutely helps.
It will allow the candidates whohave a reasonable chance to win

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this race, to be on the samestage.
Now, I only think there's onecandidate that has a chance to
beat Keller, and I think it'sDarren White.
I think it's very clear.
I think Ubaya's at 5%.
He's not gonna get aroundKeller, he's running to his
left.

SPEAKER_03 (12:02):
And Louis at six, I think.

SPEAKER_10 (12:03):
Louis's at six.
Louis' getting some Republicanvotes, no doubt about that.
He's just not gonna beat Darren.
So I would have gone one-on-one,Darren versus Keller, but I can
understand why Channel 7 didn't,because they don't want to look
like they're picking favoritesthat much.
But they are using thesedifferent thresholds.
Because if you don't, you'regonna sit there in here 30
seconds here, 30 seconds there,you're gonna go on and on with

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people who have zero chance towin.
And I'm sorry, but that thoseare just the facts.
Now, if you're raising enoughmoney, if you're Eddie Varella
or you're mailing Armijo and youhave$500,000 in the bank and
you're starting to spend thatmoney on the air, then I get it.
Then you belong on that stagebecause you have a real chance
because you're gonna start tomove voters.
But if you haven't raised a dimeand you're not able to get your
message out, there's no chanceof this working.

SPEAKER_03 (12:47):
Right.
And there's been some otherpublic forum debates too.

SPEAKER_10 (12:50):
There have.

SPEAKER_03 (12:50):
You know, that they where all of the candidates have
been able to speak.

SPEAKER_10 (12:53):
So but again, no one sees those, right?
I know.
I mean, that's the thing.
Like NAOP had one recently a fewdays ago, and that's all well
and good, but no one's there tosee it, other than the people
from NAOP that are sittingthere, right?

SPEAKER_03 (13:04):
And the Bar Association, I think, is doing
one or something, or theAmerican bar.

SPEAKER_10 (13:08):
Yeah, yeah.
I'm sure it's the New Mexico BarAssociation, and believe me, I
that's not gonna be the mostfair debate that's ever been.
But but the point being in allthis is that you have to exclude
some people.
I'm sorry for Eddie Varella,he's he's a good guy.
And and I think you've MailingArmijo, I'm I don't know her,
but I'm sure she means well.
It's just that you get to acertain point in an election,
there are people that arecompetitive and there are people

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that are not, and as a station,you have to make that choice.
Otherwise, what you're puttingon the air is something that's
gonna be unrecognizable andhelpful to nobody.
So you have to make some ofthose calls.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (13:39):
And early voting starts so quickly anyway, it's
in within a couple weeks.
So anyway, okay, let's move on.
Special session, it started lastweek.
Um, where are we at with this?
You you look at this, it there'sthis headline that came out that
says governor signs four specialsession bills into law.

SPEAKER_10 (13:52):
So let's And by the way, those four special session
bills passed with more than atwo-thirds majority.
Okay, so they had someRepublican support as well.
Okay, and so those immediatelygo into law.
Okay, just so you know.
And the four signed billsinclude a measure aimed at
blunting the impact of thepotential for health insurance
hikes on some New Mexicans,which again hasn't been
determined what's happening withthat.
We don't even know if it's true,but they went and had a special

(14:15):
session just to make sure to putstuff in here, even though they
have no idea.
Okay, uh that's fine, whatever.
And legislation expanding theallowable uses of state rural
health care fund, a tax fix.
Uh there's again these issues II think not the biggest issues
we face in the state.
Uh they had some bipartisansupport.
They went through.
Okay.
Uh whatever.

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We'll we'll wait and see whathappens with all this stuff.
The one thing that was passedthat did not get signed, at
least so far, by the governor,is what we talked about on this
show.
And that is the vaccine, Iguess, advocacy within the
state.
So who are they going to seekinput from when they choose how

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our kids are vaccinated and inwhat fashion?

SPEAKER_03 (15:00):
Yeah, the recommendation.
Okay.
So here it says here, well,taking quick action on most of
the approved special sessionbills, Lujan Grisham did not act
Friday on a bill giving statehealth officials greater
authority to set vaccinerequirements without guidance
from a federal panel, meaning.

SPEAKER_10 (15:14):
Which we talked about that.

SPEAKER_03 (15:14):
Which we talked about that.
So they're going to use AmericanPediatrics Association, I think
that's what it's called.

SPEAKER_10 (15:18):
American Association of Pediatrics.
It's an AAP, which is a prettypolitical organization.

SPEAKER_03 (15:22):
And they're only going to take the
recommendations no longer Andfrom the state.
And from the state, and nolonger HHS or it's the CDC.
Right.
They're kind of saying we we'vedone that, but now that we don't
like who's in office and wedon't like RK Jr.
Right.

SPEAKER_10 (15:34):
We don't like RFK Jr., so we're not going to
listen to it.
We're going to not listen to it.

SPEAKER_03 (15:37):
So that bill, Senate Bill three, was opposed by all
Republicans in the legislatureand ultimately fell short of a
two-thirds vote threshold neededfor it to take effect
immediately upon the governor'ssignature.
As a result, the bill would nottake effect until December 31st.
And the governor's officeindicated Friday that Luhan
Grisham is still deliberating onwhether to sign it.
The governor has until October22nd to sign to act on that

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legislation.

SPEAKER_10 (15:59):
So and again, this the stance we took on this was
very clear.
And that is that the morescience you can bring into this
and the more reasonable voicesyou can bring into this to make
sure that our kids are not putin a position that that puts
makes them vulnerable toespecially a group that has
shown in the AAP that they aremuch more concerned about
politics than they are aboutscience.

(16:21):
And I just think it makes sensefor the state as a whole just to
make sure we get the maximumamount of science in the kind of
advice that our kids andfamilies get.
And so we'll see.
I don't know if she'll sign itor not.
Who knows?
Again, the legislative session,uh, especially that special
session, didn't address crime.
It didn't address thehomelessness issues, it didn't
address the fact that we'regoing to have a medical massive

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medical problems, right?
And we're gonna we're about toshow you that right now.
So I I think a lot of thisunfortunately was for show, and
not enough of it was for realproblems that face New Mexicans.
And that's the problem.
When everything's politics, thenthen then that's where you go.
You you go to politics 24-7,which it doesn't help people.

SPEAKER_03 (17:00):
Yeah, actually, I've watched a little bit of this
special session and just some ofthe Republicans standing up and
saying, What are we doing heretoday?
We're talking about things thathaven't actually happened, cuts
that actually haven't takenplace.
Right.
That's the thing.

SPEAKER_10 (17:09):
That's the thing you don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (17:10):
You're asking us to pass bills of things that
haven't even taken place yet.
So it's interesting to see likewhat was the thinking behind
this special session.

SPEAKER_10 (17:17):
Well, it was again it was political.
It was, hey, hey, we're gonnastand up.
We're gonna stand up to Trump,and they're like, well, stand up
to what?
Well, we're not sure yet, butwhen we find out, we'll let you
know.
And here's some extra money incase we do.
You know, I I don't know.
It just doesn't, again, it's nothelpful.
I think there are a lot of bigthings we could be focusing on
that'd be much more helpful.

SPEAKER_03 (17:33):
Yeah, and I still I get frustrated because some in
the messages I see from theother side are talking about,
well, they're trying to protectthese rural hospitals from being
shut down.
And I'm like, well, the big,beautiful bill actually
allocated you know, millibillions of dollars to help
rural hospitals.
So once the Democrats actuallygo back to work and allow us to
put the that bill into action,then we can actually help those
rural hospitals instead ofsitting here and saying, let's

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have a special session becauseour Democrats have decided to
walk out of their job inCongress, and now we need to
come up with some sort ofspecial funding because of this.
It is, it's like it's it seemslike a merry-go-round that makes
no sense.
Like we're just go do your job.
Stay in government, do your joband and allow things to take
place.
I just if I find this one reallyfrustrating.

SPEAKER_10 (18:13):
Well, I I can understand the frustration, but
and and again, if we have issueswith rural hospitals, I think
you will see everybody line upto do whatever is necessary to
take care of those ruralhospitals.

SPEAKER_11 (18:23):
Absolutely.
Period.

SPEAKER_10 (18:24):
And I think I think we will come together as a state
and make sure there's not asingle rural hospital that gets
shut down.
Do I think it will happenanyway?
I think it's highly unlikely,but we'll see what it ends up
shaking out.
But talking about the medicalissues in the state, we've got
one more set of numbers.

SPEAKER_03 (18:38):
Right.
This is from that Apple Cookerypoll.
We've been kind of releasing alittle bit of it each show.
This one was um talking about inthe past year.

SPEAKER_10 (18:44):
Commenting on it, we didn't really release it.

SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
Well, we didn't release it.
We've just been releasing littlebits of it from the journals
right then if that wasn'tclarified.
We didn't do the poll, but okay,the journal did.
Okay, so here was the question.
In the past year, have you or ahousehold member had difficulty
getting an appointment to see aprimary health care provider or
health care specialist as soonas you or they needed it?
59% said yes, that they thatthey have had difficulty getting

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a primary appointment.
40% said no.
And this is based on a sample of514 Albuquerque like likely
voters.

SPEAKER_10 (19:17):
Hold on, one thing about that that's interesting.
These are Albuquerque voters,too.
This is the one area of thestate where you should have the
best access to doctors.
I guarantee you, if you do thispoll statewide, it's 65, 70%.
Right at least.

SPEAKER_03 (19:30):
You bring in some of the rural communities that have
to travel to get these doctors.
I mean, give me a break.

SPEAKER_10 (19:35):
It's there, and that this is a crisis point that is
right at the feet of ourlegislature, which especially
the Senate will not allow forany sort of tort reform,
anything that will balance thescales out to bring more doctors
into the state of New Mexico.
And by the way, it's not an agething.
It's not an age thing.
What it basically is, is it'sacross all ages, right?

(19:55):
So take a look at these numbers,which show you that it doesn't
matter what age you are, you'vehad these issues.
If you're 18 to 34, 73% ofpeople said they've had this
same problem.

SPEAKER_03 (20:06):
If they couldn't get an appointment with a primary
healthcare, they couldn't get apro yes.

SPEAKER_10 (20:08):
And then if you're 35 to 49, 65% of people said
they can't get an appointmentwith a primary.
50 to 64, 68.
Now those numbers come down alittle bit in the Medicaid
group, 65 and above, at 47%.

SPEAKER_03 (20:22):
But still 47%.
That's almost half of all yourpatients on Medicaid.
So again, you could have passedthe medic, the medical compact
bill, which would have allowedtelehealth doctors to be able to
reach these people.
And we didn't deal with that inthe special session.

SPEAKER_10 (20:36):
Right.
And again, governor wanted to,speaker of the house wanted to,
every single Republican wantedto, but not the Senate.

SPEAKER_03 (20:43):
Yeah, it's just unbelievable.
It's unbelievable.
So again, go back to our formershows on that.
If you want to, we duh wedefinitely took a dive into
Brian Cologne's uh uh editorialon why that's happening and the
twisting of the words there.
Give me a break.
We need more doctors, and if wehave to do that through a
telehealth, we need to beopening up every channel we can.

SPEAKER_10 (21:03):
Yeah, we need to do a lot more than that.
But but yeah, absolutely.
At least do that.
Yeah, at least do that.

SPEAKER_03 (21:07):
We're like one of the few states that are holding
out on that medical compact forwhy.
I mean, again, because triallawyers can't seem to, you know,
make enough money in theirlawsuits if we do it that way.
I have no idea.
But again, ridiculous.

SPEAKER_10 (21:19):
So okay.
And it was really so on thiswhole issue, uh a couple weeks
ago, I saw this come across mytimeline and I and I grabbed it
at the time because I thought itwas fascinating.
It's a guy on TikTok called theaddiction doc, and he's here in
New Mexico, he's from NewMexico, he's moved back here,
okay?
And he goes through in about aminute and a half um, you know,

(21:40):
speech, I guess you call it,right?
But he he does a really good jobof laying out what the issues
are.
And again, these are issues thataffect you, it just doesn't
matter your party.
So this is why something shouldwe should be standing up as a
state saying, enough of this,right?
And this guy's superinteresting.
And here's what he had to sayabout when he came back to New
Mexico and what exactly ourproblems are.

SPEAKER_09 (22:01):
Practice is broken in New Mexico.
Uh, and I don't think mostpeople realize this, but New
Mexico has the second highestmalpractice insurance in the
entire country, second only toPennsylvania.
Fun fact, I just learned that.
But unlike Pennsylvania, NewMexico has a major, major doctor
shortage.
High malpractice insurance ismaking that much worse.

(22:24):
It drives away physicians, itmakes it harder for patients to
access care.
I moved back to New Mexico, myhome state, where I was born and
raised two years ago, to bringback the specialty addiction
knowledge that I have gainedfrom extensive training in other
states.
Um, I wanted to help, but thisstate is making it so difficult.

(22:49):
Here's something personal.
My own insurer denied mecoverage last week.
It would not extend my policyI've had for two years, even
though I've never had amalpractice claim paid in my
name in my entire career.
Not once.
I've cared for thousands ofpatients, I've followed the
evidence, I've trained many,many new clinicians, but in New

(23:10):
Mexico, even a clean recordisn't good enough.
The insurer simply said they nolonger want to offer physician
policies here in this state, andthat should worry everyone.
I can't even imagine what it islike for a surgeon or an OBGYN
to get coverage here in NewMexico.
And to be clear, I don't want tominimize the importance of

(23:32):
justice for victims ofmalpractice.
When harm occurs, people deservefair compensation.
But the system needs guardrailsright now.
It's so skewed that even safedoctors can't stay insured, and
patients end up paying the pricefor that.

SPEAKER_10 (23:52):
Okay.
And so what he advocates forafter this is tort reform.
That you have to balance thescales to allow more doctors in
and to make this a betterenvironment for doctors.
We've said it a million times.
If you favor lawyers overdoctors, you're gonna get more
lawyers than doctors.
And when you get sick, itdoesn't matter what your
political beliefs are, there'snot gonna be a doctor there to

(24:12):
help you.
And it's devastating.
This is not an issue that shouldbe political.
And and actually, it just hasthis massive opportunity, I
think, to to change.
But unfortunately, we've seenthis in our legislature, and the
governor signed an awful bill onthis a few years ago that she
had to backtrack on, right?
It was terrible.
It raised the caps and it and itjust basically shut down the

(24:35):
system in the state of NewMexico, and they had to go back
and try to come up with a fixfor it and everything else.
It's just so bad right now thatthey have to fix this and it
affects so many people.
I think it's it's one of thesingle biggest issues in the
state as a whole, just becausehow many people are put in
danger by what's happened.

SPEAKER_03 (24:51):
Right.
With not having the doctors orany of the care they actually
need.
Unbelievable.
And then again, just specialsessions that don't actually
deal with this issue.
So again, will this be fixed inJanuary?

SPEAKER_10 (25:01):
Let's show Trump.
Let's teach Trump a lesson.
Yeah, I mean Trump doesn't careabout your lessons.
Yeah.
He doesn't care.

SPEAKER_05 (25:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (25:06):
Okay.
In in all the all the politicalgames about we're gonna do this,
we're gonna pass this in casesomething happens with Trump.
Okay.
How about what you've alreadyscrewed up?
How about you've screwed upcrime to the degree where it
affects everybody's lives?
How about you've screwed up thehealthcare system to where it
affects everybody's lives?
How about you screwed up theeducation system where it's last

(25:26):
in the country and screwed upyoung kids that deserve better
than what we're giving them?
You don't touch any of thosethings, right?
But at least we can show Trump.
Good job.
Where do show Trump?
Because Trump's losing sleepover that.
You know who's losing sleep isall the people in this state who
have to deal with the poorhealthcare, poor education, and
skyrocketing crime.
Come on, give me a break.
This is not that hard.
Don't get me mad.

(25:47):
I'm getting mad again.
What are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 (25:49):
No, I think it's good that you get mad because I
think the end of the day iswell, I don't like your blood
pressure going up.

SPEAKER_10 (25:53):
I do think we better get a doctor who can take a look
at that.

SPEAKER_03 (25:57):
We don't can't find a doctor.
I'm sorry, Mark, there's nodoctor.
I'll have to get my bloodpressure medication or machine
out and I'll have to test it.

SPEAKER_10 (26:03):
We're not trusting you to do the care.
No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (26:05):
I'll give you some aspirin.
I don't know.
We'll just make up stuff, right?
Because that's what we have todo here now to take care of
ourselves.
But no, I just think we needpeople to have their voices
being heard, right?
So that's one of the areas thatwe do that obviously is through
this show.
But what we want to do isencourage the media out there to
also go and put pressure onthese legislatures.
You know, talk about this.
Why don't we have medicalcompacts?

(26:26):
Write your state legislators,write them right now, because of
course January is right aroundthe corner.
We need this fixed.
And the only way you can do thatis by starting to put personal
pressure on these folks.
People write us all the time howdo we help?
How do we get involved?
Get involved in campaigns forpeople that are running for
office that you believe in thatthey're gonna actually do a good
job.
That's one way you can help out.
Support them financially, getbehind them, and stop voting the

(26:48):
same people in.
I'm sorry, they they've shownwho they are.
And again, I keep saying this,but if they're a trial lawyer,
get them out of there.

SPEAKER_10 (26:54):
Well, it's on the trial lawyer, but yeah,
probably.

SPEAKER_03 (26:57):
We have enough trial lawyers in the state
legislature.
No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_10 (27:00):
I'm not talking about the state legislature
trial lawyers.

SPEAKER_03 (27:02):
That's what I'm talking about.
So yeah.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, that's what I'm talkingabout.
I got you.

SPEAKER_10 (27:06):
I got you.
Okay, the shutdown continues,which we've been talking about.
Uh so what's gonna happen withthis?
Well, uh, we could start to seelayoffs.
Right.
Uh, and you know, it's justgonna depend on who's gonna
crack first in this whole thing.
So we're gonna break it down alittle bit politically for you.
The first guy we want to kind ofintroduce you to is the director
of National Economic Council.
It's Kevin Hassett.

(27:26):
And he he does a pretty good jobof sort of laying out the basics
on this thing and where hethinks it's headed.
And so here's what Hassett saidthis morning on CNN.

SPEAKER_07 (27:34):
The president decides that the negotiations
are absolutely going nowhere,that there, you know, there will
start to be layoffs.
But I think that everybody'sstill hopeful that when we get a
fresh start at the beginning ofthe week, that we can get the
Democrats to see that it's justcommon sense to avoid layoffs
like that, to avoid the$15billion a week that the Council

(27:55):
of Economic Advisors says willharm GDP uh if we have a
shutdown.
And also just all the paymentsfor rent payments and so on that
people won't be able to makebecause they're not getting
paid.
And so I think that we think theDemocrats, there's a chance that
they'll be reasonable once theyget back into town on Monday.
And and if they are, then Ithink there's no reason for
those layoffs.

SPEAKER_10 (28:16):
Okay, they want to reach a deal.
All right, they want to reach adeal.
But you know, you gottaremember, and we've explained
this before, the Republicanshave proposed what is called a
clean CR, which which we'll getto in a second.
But that is basically saying,let's keep the spending levels
at the where they were underBiden for another six weeks
until we can reach a deal.
And Democrats are like, no, wewant more stuff thrown in.

(28:36):
We we want additional umspending put in here, uh, which
they which they advocate for isin additional spending on health
care and things of that natureand subsidies that that likely
over time will end up beingagreed upon actually by both
sides.
But we'll see.
At least for now, they're tryingto throw more stuff in.
But as you start to see pollingon this, we have new polling

(28:58):
out, and it's sort ofinteresting.
So the CBS News Ugov poll cameout.
CBS News and Ugov is UGov is ajoke.
Okay, it's a terrible poll, it'snot reliable.
But anyway, they had some.
I I pulled out a few things thatwere sort of interesting at it.
Okay.
And one of them was this um,worth the shutdown.
What what party thinks it'sworth the shutdown?
I didn't even show you theRepublican numbers because

(29:19):
they're 5%.
Republicans are five percent forthe shutdown, okay?
95% for no, okay.
Democrats, 48% say it's worththe shutdown.
24% say not worth shutting down,28% are not sure.
Okay.
And then not only that, so whodo you who do you think's
handling this the right way?
Right now, uh, voters arebasically giving them the old

(29:42):
it's a pox on all your houses.
Trump has the highest approvalnumbers on how he's dealing with
it at 32%.
Those are core Republicans,okay?
Those are just hardcoreRepublicans.
Um, and then congressionalRepublicans get 28%.
Uh, Democrats, hardcoreDemocrats get 27%.
Okay.
Who disagrees with how thePresident's handling it 52% say

(30:02):
they disapprove Congress 52.
Uh uh congressional Republicansand Congressional Democrats are
basically at 50 all the wayaround.
So again, nobody's reallycovering themselves in glory on
this whole thing.
But at least now uh on uh NBCthis morning it was it was an
interesting little briefexchange uh between uh Hakeem

(30:24):
Jeffries and the host of Meetthe Press.
And so you can just listen tothis real quickly, and she lays
out uh sort of a hey, look,Hakeem, you guys are kind of
hypocrites on this.

SPEAKER_16 (30:52):
Take a look.

SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
You do not use the the threat of shutting down
government to try to advance uhyour policy agenda.
First thing that the House hasto do is pass a clean six-week
CR.

SPEAKER_12 (31:06):
A continuing resolution that is at the fiscal
year 2023 levels is the only wayforward.

unknown (31:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (31:16):
So this is just it's actually impressive that Meet
the Press did that.
It's Kristen Welker.

SPEAKER_10 (31:22):
Kristen Welker did it.
And uh, you know, yeah, it'scrazy, right?

SPEAKER_03 (31:25):
Yeah, because it's basically like, hey, you guys
just did this, and now you'resaying, oh, this is the
Republicans' uh fault for doingthis, this is Trump's fault, and
we're not gonna be able to dothat.

SPEAKER_10 (31:32):
How dare you present us with a clean CR to keep the
government open?

SPEAKER_03 (31:35):
Yeah, it seems very hypocritical.

SPEAKER_10 (31:37):
Okay, so what's interesting was I thought this
was an interesting take from VanJones, who's a Democrat, and who
brings up why he thinks shuttingdown the government is a
mistake.
And we'll and we'll break downuh how right he is in all of
this.
And I want to take a littledeeper dive into what he says
here in just a second.
But this is Van Jones on why hethinks the Republic or the
Democrats rather are making amistake by shutting down the

(31:58):
government.

SPEAKER_01 (32:00):
Right now, if the Democrats don't do anything and
they pass this clean uhresolution, which they don't
want to do.
If they did it, guess what wouldhappen this month?
Premiums would start goingthrough the roof this month.
By the time you get to the endof November, you would have
Americans marching in thestreets saying, I can't pay 150%
more for my insurance premiums.
What the heck is going on?
Instead, we decided to not letthat happen and shut the entire

(32:24):
government down.
So now people are gonna be madabout the post office and a
hundred other things thatRepublicans can Republicans can
then blame on us.
So I'm like, I get it.
The base is upset, the basewants us to do something, please
do something, do anything, butthe something probably shouldn't
be throwing a bunch of peopleout of work in the federal
government and crushing uh uhand crushing America's

(32:45):
government's ability to functionright before the pain was about
to start.
So that's my concern.

SPEAKER_10 (32:51):
Right before the pain was about to start.
That is a hardcore politicalcalculation, right?
That is that is a hardcore, youknow, deep inside the process
calculation of let's let theAmericans have some pain and
then let them blame the otherparty.
Okay?
And and that happens.
So who who could be cut out ofthis?
Basically, with the bigbeautiful bill, uh, there's

(33:14):
really only one group that endsup potentially if there's no
deal reach between the twosides.
Uh if there's no deal reachbetween the two sides, then you
could see increased rates in onegroup.
Let's go ahead and just show youthis.
First of all, if you have ummost middle income people who
don't get a lot of the benefitsand a lot of the subsidies from
the government, they don't tendto be affected.

(33:35):
People with Medicare orMedicaid, they're not gonna be
affected.
Private insurance is not gonnabe affected.
What's going to be affected arepeople that are on the ACA
marketplace, okay, that tend tobe lower income, that get a lot
of these benefits.
And what the what what Trumpadministration is saying is,
hey, look, we're not gonna cutanybody's benefits in this
respect.
We're gonna remove people offthe rolls who should not be

(33:56):
getting benefits.
That's what they're saying.
So now, which ends up beingtrue?
Are the Democrats right or theRepublicans?
We're gonna find out, okay.
But just so you know, that's whothey're that's who Van Jones is
talking about when he says this.
And he says, people that are onACA, lower income, get big
subsidies.
And the Trump administrationsays we're not gonna hang them
out to dry.
Okay, but but they think theywill.

(34:17):
So we'll see what ends uphappening.
But I just thought it wasinteresting in the respect of,
you know, we'll see what ends uphappening here.
But Van Jones saying shuttingdown the government's a bad
idea.
I think the longer this goes on,I just think it's it's not gonna
be good.
I don't think it's a great thingfor Democrats.
As I've said, the the party outof power a lot of times does
start to get burned by this.
And Christian Welker's questionis a great example of that,

(34:39):
right?
Where she says, you guys are theones who are holding this up.
You guys are the ones who aren'tletting the government open.
She said it.
And I think the more people dothat, the the better to get this
thing solved.
Because if the if the Democratsaren't gonna move at all, in the
in the mainstream media, whoreaches the vast majority of
Democrats, right?
If they won't move them at all,then this stalemate's gonna keep

(35:02):
on going.
And this is what happens all thetime.
When the media doesn't step upand do their job and say, wait a
minute, you're the one holdingthis up, then nothing moves.
Then these things metastasizeand they turn into a bigger
problem for Democrats, not asmaller one.
We've talked about it all thetime.
The Joe Biden thing, right?
They never addressed it.
Just let it keep metastasizing.
And what does it do?
It costs them the election.

(35:22):
You know, you see these thingstime and time again.
In our largest cities, you havethese big cities which will not
fight crime and will not holdpeople accountable.
It metastasizes and it becomes abigger issue, and no one will
talk about it.
The border.
The border is a disaster foryears.
The media says nothing, itmetastasizes and causes the
Democrats to lose an election.

(35:44):
Like these things do not helpthem, but yet they keep doing
it.
And their media allies, bystaying quiet about things,
continue to cause problems forthem.

SPEAKER_03 (35:52):
Yeah, it's interesting to see how much
longer this lasts and whathappens this week.
Like what's what's gonna happenthis week?

SPEAKER_05 (35:57):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (35:57):
Okay, we're gonna shift gears a little bit and
talk about this crazy thingthat's that's kind of blowing up
with this candidate that'srunning for attorney general in
the state of Virginia and why weshould all care about this,
right?
Because it's it's fascinatinghow how far south this has gone
so quickly.
It's unreal.
We have this guy, his name isJay Jones, okay?
And he is running againstincumbent Republican attorney

(36:19):
general Jason Myeris um inNovember, right?
This is happening this inNovember.
Well, now he's just he's gottenin trouble.
He's gotten some hot waterbecause he was he has shared
through texts and on a phonecall his fantasies about
shooting former Virginia GOPspeaker.
He thinks that they shouldreceive bullets.
Now, what does this mean?

(36:39):
Like, what did he actually do?
So basically what happened washe starts sending text messages
to a Republican colleague.
He's a Democrat, but he issending to a Republican
colleague in the legislature inthe state legislature.
This was a couple of years ago,okay, and starts saying that he
basically wants to take outHouse Speaker Todd Gilbert, who
was the he he was like theleader of the time, right?

(37:00):
And he's talking about not onlytaking out this this Todd
Gilbert, but his family and hiskids.
Okay.
So this is let me show you alittle bit of this text
exchange.
This is Jay Jones, the guythat's running for AG, to a
Republican colleague.
And it says, um, they say thingsnow.

SPEAKER_10 (37:16):
The Republican colleague is in blue.
Jay Jones is in gray in thisparticular exchange.

SPEAKER_03 (37:21):
Okay, so it says they say nice things about
everyone.
And Jay says, if those guys diebefore me, I will go to their
funerals to piss on theirgraves, send them out a wash in
something.
And the woman says, Jay Jones,like kind of like, you know,
getting down on him.
And he comes back with says,three people, two bullets.
Gilbert, which is theRepublican, uh House Speaker,

(37:42):
Hitler, and Paul Pot.
Gilbert gets two bullets to thehead.
Spoiler, put Gilbert in the crewwith the two worst people you
know, and he receives bothbullets every time.
She says, Jay, please stop thisconversation.
Okay.
Then it goes on.
And she says back to him, um,she says back, you weren't
simply asking questions and youknow it.

(38:03):
He says, I genuinely genuinelywas.
I wasn't attacking you.
I was trying to understand yourlogic.
She says, You weren't trying tounderstand.
You were talking about hopingJennifer Gilbert's children
would die, meaning the Gilbert'schildren would die.
And he said, Yes, I've told youthis before.
Only when people feel painpersonally do they move on
policy.

SPEAKER_10 (38:24):
Um hold on.
Listen to what he just saysthere.
Let's go back to that again.
He said, Yes, I've told you thisbefore.
Only when people feel painpersonally do they move on
policy, meaning people need tohave their children executed
before they understand.
This this person, this JayJones, is mentally compromised.

(38:46):
He is sick.
He has uh anyone who says thisstuff is lost the thread.
In speaking in this way to afellow legislator, I I I mean a
fellow legislator, by the way,not in your own party.
Yeah, and you say thesehorrendous things about killing
people and killing youropponents, it is absolutely

(39:07):
disqualifying to be the attorneygeneral for the state of
Virginia, which is one of thebiggest jobs in the country for
an attorney general, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 (39:16):
Right.
He the the one more that we didnot throw in here, but I think
it's important that we say thisone.
She says, Um, you duh, she said,I honestly am questioning a lot
today, meaning I'm questioningyou and your morals today.
And he writes back, I mean, do Ithink Todd and Jennifer are evil
and that they're breeding littlefascists?
Yes.
He says yes.
So I mean he just goes on to saylike all these horrible things,

(39:38):
and you're trying to run as likethe top legal man, right?

SPEAKER_10 (39:41):
Right, the top law enforcement officer in the in
the state of Virginia.
Now, if this was a Republicanwho did this, it would lead
every single newscast ever.

SPEAKER_03 (39:49):
Right.

SPEAKER_10 (39:49):
Ever.

SPEAKER_03 (39:49):
But it's not.

SPEAKER_10 (39:50):
But it's not.
Now, it is to some degree inVirginia, though.

SPEAKER_03 (39:53):
Okay, so here's here's let's go through a little
bit of Jones' response.
Jay Jones' response.
His first one, he says, uh,let's be clear about what's
happening in the attorneygeneral race right now.
Jason Myeris is dropping smearsthrough Trump-controlled media
organizations to assault mycharacter and rescue his
desperate campaign.

SPEAKER_10 (40:10):
Okay, that's so it's Trump's fault.
It's Trump's fault that this guywants to kill his political
opponents and their children.
Right.
Okay.
Got it.
Got it.
Got it.
That it's Trump's fault.

SPEAKER_03 (40:19):
Yeah, it's it's definitely Trump's fault.
Yep.
And then the next one is hesays, uh, let me get to it.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_10 (40:26):
Um Yeah, I gave you but I gave you the same one both
times.
You want me to read the otherone?

SPEAKER_03 (40:30):
Yes.

SPEAKER_10 (40:31):
Okay, so the other one, which he also releases
here, and again, this stuff getsback to um, you know, some of
this whole thing where it's justall about who he can blame and
and how he blames Trump.

SPEAKER_03 (40:44):
His other one says, like all people, I've sent text
messages that I regret, and Ibelieve that violent rhetoric
has no place in our politics.
Okay, great.
Again, these guys are talkingout both sides of their mouth,
right?

SPEAKER_10 (40:54):
So he got caught.

SPEAKER_03 (40:55):
He got caught.
That's the only reason he'sapologizing about any of this.
Okay.
Yep.
So then you go to Jason Myeris'scomment back.
The guy that's running, that'suh currently the AG there in the
world.
And running for reelection.
And he's running forre-election.

SPEAKER_10 (41:07):
Yeah, and in Virginia, the governor can't be
re-elected to a second term, butthe AG can be.
Okay, so that's why Younckin'snot running, but Meeris is.

SPEAKER_03 (41:14):
Okay, and speaking of Yunkin, he's pulled away
from, I mean, he has separatedhimself so badly from Jay Jones
as separated himself.

SPEAKER_10 (41:20):
He's a Republican.

SPEAKER_03 (41:21):
As has the current Democratic governor.
Of course, Yunkin.
They're all trying to run awayfrom this guy now because.
Yeah, but yeah, but hold on.

SPEAKER_10 (41:28):
We got to be clear about the fact that Yunkin's a
Republican governor.
He never loved Jay Jones, hatedhim from the beginning.
So so he's not really separatinghimself.
He he uh he came out and rippedhim and told him to leave the
race.
Correct.
Yes.
Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (41:40):
My my apologies for the right.

SPEAKER_10 (41:41):
Well, I just don't want to be like Yunk is
separating himself from his goodfriend Jay Jones.
No, no, no, no.
No, it's not that.

SPEAKER_03 (41:47):
But when you have the Democratic uh editorial
candidate, yeah, that'sdifferent.
Also saying, Oh, we've gotsomething on that.
Yeah, trying to separate that.
Okay, back to the guy he'sactually running against.
This is what he said.
Jason Mayor said the attorneygeneral is Virginia's chief law
enforcement officer.
That authority must always beexercised with neutrality,
integrity, and character becausethat's the only way every
Virginian can trust the systemmeant to protect them.

(42:07):
With the recent revelations,it's clear Jay Jones has shown
he's reckless, biased, andwilling to trade away his
integrity, disqualifying himselffor ever serving as attorney
general.
Jay Jones wished for the violentdeaths of a political opponent
and then fantasized aboutkilling um the children.
Um, opponents' children dying intheir mother's arms.
When confronted, he doubleddown, saying that kind of grief

(42:28):
and pain would be a good thingif it advanced his politics.
And politics aside, one has tobe coming from a dark place to
advocate for the murder of acolleague and their family.
This conduct is disqualifying.

SPEAKER_10 (42:40):
No question.

SPEAKER_03 (42:41):
So uh no question.

SPEAKER_10 (42:44):
I mean, this is unreal.
I I just I don't know how thisguy uh he should be I don't
know.
He's kicked out of the race.
Well, well, I don't, I don'tknow.
You can't kick him out.
You can't, there's no there's nolever to be able to do that.
Like there is there is not alever to be able to do that.
If this had been eight monthsago, the Democratic Party would
get it rid of him.
They would they would dump himin a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_03 (43:05):
But the race is in November.

SPEAKER_10 (43:06):
It's in November, there's no way to get him out.

SPEAKER_03 (43:08):
Early voting actually is already happening.

SPEAKER_10 (43:10):
He's going nowhere.

The question is (43:11):
do the people of the state of Virginia engage
enough to say, no, we're notdoing this?
And I think they probably will.
That would be my guess.
And also, Virginia media isdefinitely covering this.
Okay.
They are covering it.
And so this is this brings upanother point I want to talk
about because I think it's superinteresting.
And it is that when you'rerunning in these statewide

(43:31):
races, you have a bunch of othercandidates running with you.
Okay.
And sometimes those candidatesdo horrendous things.
And sometimes those thingsreflect on you.
And so you don't know exactlywhat to do.
So sometimes you keep an arm'slength from them, you don't talk
about them, you don't appearwith them.
Those are some things you cando.
Sometimes you just shred them,right?
You just say, I want nothing todo with this person.

(43:53):
Either way, it hurts you.
Okay, there's no way around it.
So Abigail Spamberger, who'srunning for governor against
Winsom Sears in this race, sheis now starting to try to
distance herself, as youmentioned.
But what the Republicans did wasthey took a bunch of clips of
this guy in this wholecontroversy and they tied Jay
Jones and Spamberger together.
That's what happens in theseraces.

(44:14):
And so, and this is what I mean,and we talk about it all the
time.
Your success or failure in theseraces oftentimes can come down
to something that's completelyout of your control.
We saw that happen to us, andSpamberger's starting to watch
it happen to her because you'reseeing this Jay Jones situation
start to affect her.
Now, do I think it's going tocost her the election?
Probably not.
Okay, because she's upsignificantly, but I think it's

(44:34):
going to cost Jay Jones.
So just listen to whatRepublicans did here.
It's a one-minute ad, and theyhooked up Jay Jones and
Spamberger and just basicallytried to throw a bunch of stank
on all of them.

SPEAKER_13 (44:46):
News from the campaign trail.
Jay Jones is under fire.
Jones is under fire.

SPEAKER_19 (44:51):
Jay Jones is under fire after messages he sent in
2022 saying former VirginiaHouse Speaker Todd Gilbert
should be shot.

SPEAKER_03 (44:58):
I'm excited about this chicken.
This is the governor.

SPEAKER_13 (45:26):
Jones doubled down, saying, quote, do I think Todd
and Jennifer are evil and thatthey're breeding little
fascists?
Yes.

SPEAKER_08 (45:34):
How can Virginians trust a man who said something
so horrific, so callously?

SPEAKER_11 (45:39):
Only when people feel pain personally do they
move on policy.

SPEAKER_10 (45:44):
Look out.

SPEAKER_03 (45:44):
And this is reject the insanity, vote Republican.

SPEAKER_10 (45:47):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (45:47):
Pretty powerful ad.

SPEAKER_10 (45:48):
It's very powerful.

SPEAKER_03 (45:49):
It will be interesting to see this because
my understanding is it was apretty close, it's a it's been a
pretty close race up till now.

SPEAKER_10 (45:55):
The uh AG's race?
Yes.
Yeah, I think it's I think Ithink Miris will blow him out.

SPEAKER_03 (45:59):
Okay.

SPEAKER_10 (45:59):
Because of this.
Now, I think Spamberger will winon her side.

SPEAKER_03 (46:03):
The Democratic governor.

SPEAKER_10 (46:04):
Just not by as much.

SPEAKER_03 (46:05):
Okay.
Well, let me another littlefresh tip on this guy.
I did a little digging.
Yeah.
Uh Jay Jones also is a little uhheavy-footed when it comes to uh
we got a lead foot here?
We got a major lead foot.
So he got this citation.
This is uh clip 25.
LF, you zoom in.
This guy uh he got a ticket forgoing 116 miles per hour in a 70
mile hour speed zone, okay?
And again, he's gonna be the thetop legal man, right?

(46:28):
Okay, the top legal man.
Right given, okay?

SPEAKER_10 (46:30):
A speeding ticket.

SPEAKER_03 (46:31):
Speeding ticket, but go 116 guy.

SPEAKER_10 (46:33):
Well, you're going 46 over?

SPEAKER_03 (46:34):
Okay, here's the thing top legal man, right?
He was on, he was, I don't know,he was doing something, I don't
know, whatever.
All right, I guess.
Anyway, but all that, instead ofgoing to jail, which is the
sentence for that, is he really?
Yeah, okay because it's that hebroke he broke it by that bad.
Yeah.
So he did some finagling withhis attorneys, and he's
obviously an attorney, right?
So they finagle for communityservice.

SPEAKER_10 (46:52):
Oh, okay.
Well, yeah, but put some hardwork in.

SPEAKER_03 (46:54):
Yeah, hard work.
Okay, guess what this guy doesfor his community service?

SPEAKER_10 (46:57):
Uh, he goes down to the soup kitchen and puts in a
couple hundred hours.

SPEAKER_03 (47:01):
No, no.
He decides to work for his ownpack, his own fundraising
organization.
That's how he goes and use doeshis volunteer hours, who then
have to submit a letter to thejudge.

SPEAKER_10 (47:13):
I'm sure they were sure it was glowing.

SPEAKER_03 (47:14):
And they're like, oh, he's amazing.
He did such a good job.
I mean, are you joking me?
This guy's running for office.
He serves a pack that helpsfundraise for him and put him on
the ballot and help him win.
That's how this guy went out.
So it just speaks to hischaracter.
It does, right?
Like it does.
Number one, your top legal mancan be going 116 into 70.

SPEAKER_10 (47:32):
It's a little strong.
Look, once you get over 100,you're like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_03 (47:36):
I mean, maybe a radar detector for this guy for
his next birthday.
I'm just saying, like, if you'regonna break the law, at least,
you know, have a radar detector.

SPEAKER_10 (47:43):
And then he goes and serves his own pack like a jerk.

SPEAKER_03 (47:46):
I mean, he could have gone and actually done
something less self-serving.
Right.
But heaven forbid he does that.
So again, that just this goesthis along with the text
messages should speak to thisguy's character.

SPEAKER_10 (47:55):
Well, the whole violence thing, uh, which it's
this thread we've talked aboutfor a while.
The whole violence thing, Ithink, should needs to be dealt
with extremely seriously by byyou know whoever has to deal
with it.
And I think obviously thishappened a few years ago, right?
So, but still, it I think theDemocratic Party needs to come
out and be like, this isterrible, unacceptable.
You you should drum him out.

(48:15):
And I, if I were Spamberger, I'dcome out and say, No, this is
not acceptable.
I don't accept it, and and Ithink you should vote
accordingly that that we shouldnot have someone like this as
our attorney general.
She won't do it, but but she'sgonna have to cut bait and run.

SPEAKER_03 (48:28):
She really is.
If she has any desire, she isgonna have to cut herself away
from this guy and I think she'llrun from this issue.

SPEAKER_10 (48:33):
I I don't think she can.
I agree with you.
I think you should.
She should stand up and say, Idon't support this, and I no
longer support Jay Jones.
That's what I would say.
Yeah, I'd say I do not supportJay Jones for this position
anymore.
And someone's gonna say, Wouldyou support me, Iris?
Say, I'm telling you that Iendorsed Jay Jones before.
I am rescinding thatendorsement.
Vote for whoever you want, but II will tell you, I'm not voting

(48:54):
for Jay Jones.
That's what I would say.
Right there.
Done.
And then you're fin then youshow some sense of integrity.
But she plays for a little, Idon't know what she's gonna do.
We'll have to keep an eye onthat.
We'll see what she does.

SPEAKER_03 (49:06):
New Jersey and the Virginia governor's race are
always fascinating to watchbecause they're the only two in
the country happening this year.

SPEAKER_10 (49:13):
And we're gonna break those down.
I'd I'd love to see New Jersey,especially.
I I think Virginia is a lostcause, but I I don't think New
Jersey is.
So Chitterelli, love to see himwin over Mike.

SPEAKER_03 (49:22):
This is his third third attempt to win in uh as in
the governor's.
He's gotten close.
Yeah, he's gotten very closeboth times.
So they the people are eyeballsare all over this guy watching
this race.

SPEAKER_10 (49:31):
Jackie Chitterelli.

SPEAKER_03 (49:32):
Come on.

SPEAKER_10 (49:33):
How do you not want a governor for the state of New
Jersey named Chitterelli?
I mean, that's our guy.

SPEAKER_03 (49:37):
Maybe you need a shirt.
Maybe we should contact thecampaign and get yourself a
shirt.

SPEAKER_10 (49:41):
I do, I do, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (49:43):
Kidding me.
All right, let's let's go on tothis uh next story.

SPEAKER_10 (49:46):
Let's well, so a couple more quick things.
Uh, you know, it's interesting.
We're seeing all this stuff onPortland, and we're gonna take a
deep dive on Portland onWednesday uh as we talk, you
know, about law enforcement andwe and we talk about you know
how important it is for lawenforcement to have the support
of their leaders.
And so that's why we're we'rewe're gonna bring in Ken
Christensen to talk about that.

(50:08):
However, I want to just mentionwhat's going on in Portland.
It's very interesting.
I saw Abby Phillip having anargument back and forth with
Scott Jennings.
And I don't know if you rememberback about three or four months
ago, uh maybe it was beforeactually the election, when JD
Vance got into an argument withMartha Raditz on ABC.
And Martha Raditz was like,look, you're talking about all
this stuff in Colorado.
It's only a couple of apartmentbuildings that have been taken

(50:28):
over by Trend Uragua, right?
Right, right.
Okay, Abby Phillips pulls thesame thing.
Scott Jennings is like,Portland's out of control,
because it is.
Portland's is fallen into acomplete pit.

SPEAKER_03 (50:40):
It's not just farmers' markets?

SPEAKER_10 (50:42):
No, it turns out it's not farmers' markets and
bike lanes.
It turns out it's more thanthat.
So Scott Jennings goes back andforth with Abby Phillips, but
listen to her argument.
Her argument is basically, yeah,there's some stuff going on, but
it's a small area that they'velost control of.
So don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_06 (50:56):
This is not the first time, even in the last few
months, the journalists havebeen arrested at protests.
And it seems that in thisparticular instance, he was in a
physical altercation with uhprotesters.
And so everybody was arrested.
So now all of a sudden, that's apredicate for bringing the
military into Portland?

SPEAKER_11 (51:13):
Well, no, the predicate is that Portland has
been occupied by Antifa forquite some time.
You guys keep calling themprotests.
These aren't protests, these areviolent people.
They're attacking lawenforcement, they're attacking
federal facilities.
The President of the UnitedStates has every obligation to
defend uh federal facilities andfederal personnel there.
I agree with you, it is adisgrace.
It's a disgrace that we have anAmerican city that is

(51:35):
essentially being occupied byleft-wing radicals, and the
locals won't do anything aboutit.
And so now the president is anexaggeration.
It is not an exaggeration.

SPEAKER_06 (51:42):
I mean, I see the city by by local officials has
been described as somethingthat's essentially happening in
one city block.
They are assaulting the icefacilities.
They are assaulting the icecity.
And it's not a perfect city, butit is a city.
And something occurring in onecity block is suddenly Portland
is war-ravaged.
Do you decide the icefacilities?
I didn't say anything aboutthat.

(52:03):
I said that it's happening inone block of the city.
Is that so many blocks isn't it?
Does that does that constitutePortland being a war-ravaged
city?

SPEAKER_11 (52:12):
I think what's happened in Portland is a
disgrace.
Nobody wants to go there.
And yes, parts of the city areravaged by these protesters.

SPEAKER_06 (52:28):
So it's not new, so we should let it go.
When when violent protestshappen, law enforcement has a
responsibility to handle it, butwould you describe an entire
city as war ravaged when thereare protests, even if they're
violent, that's happening at thesame time.

SPEAKER_10 (52:40):
I think Abby Phillips can't be this ignorant
and ridiculous.
First of all, is she really ofthe belief that that you have
one city block that's a problemin Portland?
Portland has one of the worstdrug problems in the country.
You have crime rates that haveskyrocketed in Portland.
Vacancy rates are off thecharts.
Go look it up before you starttalking on CNN and saying it's

(53:01):
one block, it's one block.
You know, these guys told meit's just one block, so we're
good.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
It's out of control, and thehomeless rates are some of the
highest in the country there.
What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 (53:12):
And again, can you not recall that if you I
remember the argument being fromthe mayor of Minneapolis, right?
We're saying, well, like thisprotest is really controlled.
It's a it's a controlledprotest.
That thing blew up.
It's a peaceful protest, right?
Where they're they like theytook over a police headquarters.
They could say, that's just oneblock.
It's just one block.

SPEAKER_10 (53:32):
There's one police station that was burned.
Give me a break.

SPEAKER_03 (53:35):
When they end up burning down half that city,
right?
And it got out of control, andthat town is still, or that city
is still trying to rebuilditself.

SPEAKER_10 (53:41):
That's what I look, the interference that these
media members run for policythat is dangerous, ineffective,
and puts people in a position tobe hurt is unbelievable.
And it just makes it worse.
This gets back to my wholepoint.
It's the Abby Phillip just didwhat I've talked about, which is
media organizations constantlyrunning interference that allow
bad policy to continue, and itturns out to be devastating.

(54:04):
And they just let it continuebecause they don't call it out
and they don't say, you gottastop, you gotta get this under
control.
You know, and and Portland is,it was was once a great city.
It is now is it is uh it iscompletely fallen apart.
They've done massive specials inPortland on why the city itself
has has failed.
They've talked about it.
Seattle's done the same thing,Minneapolis has done the same

(54:24):
thing.
They they have special and theseare news organizations, like you
know, you got the ABC affiliatein Seattle, and and they and
they did a whole special on thedeath of Seattle, right?
But but it's this policy.
So when I saw this soundbite,which we're about to play from
the mayor of Seattle, it it itpairs well.
It's like a steak with a Merlot.

(54:45):
It pairs well perfectly withAbby Phillip and her ridiculous
advocacy for just portions ofthe city being out of control.
We're fine, right?
We'll listen to what BruceHarrell, mayor of Seattle, says
about law enforcement and abouttrying to strike that right
balance between keeping peoplesafe and, of course, trying to
care for the criminal.

SPEAKER_18 (55:11):
So when this person is committing six or seven
crimes, I don't know his or herstory.
I don't know, maybe they wereabused as a child.
Maybe they're hungry.
So my my You can commit a crimeif you were is to find through
hard times.
I have no desire to put them injail.
But I need to protect, andthat's the calibration that we

(55:32):
have.

SPEAKER_03 (55:33):
Yeah, that's the calibration, all right.
We need to protect people ifthey're c repeat offender
criminals.

SPEAKER_10 (55:39):
Violent offenders.

SPEAKER_03 (55:40):
Violent offenders because they could have had a
rough upbringing.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (55:43):
No, I mean this is this is the what we call So
that's we got hands off there.
This is what we call suicidalempathy.
This is the type of ofnon-accountability that that
leads to American cities thatare out of control.
And it and it costs people theirlives, it it pushes people and
their livelihoods out of cities.
It's happened in Seattle, it'shappened in Portland, it's
happened in San Francisco, ithappens, happens in Minneapolis,

(56:06):
it happens in Chicago, happensall the time.
And it's all the same thing.
These guys all have the samesuicidal empathy.
Well, we gotta just make sure uhno.

SPEAKER_03 (56:13):
Well, it's half our judges, too.
I mean, we can go into it there.
I mean, honestly, like the factthat the catch and release
system that New Mexico is under,and you can't understand, like,
how did you let that person outwith uh even like with one of
the little bracelets on orwhatever, the ankle bracelets,
right?
Like you who that did nothing toprotect the citizen that they
went out and shot.
And right after that, I mean,we've talked about that numerous

(56:34):
times.
Look at the Brett Kavanaughstory, right?

SPEAKER_10 (56:36):
Brett Kavanaugh, uh, there's a trans person who tried
to kill Brett Kavanaugh.
The judge said because part ofthe reason they gave a light
sentence, eight years versus 20or 30, which they should have
given them, was because of theirtheir struggles with
transgenderism or or whatthey're dealing with and what
their family's dealing with.
It's ridiculous.
It's absolutely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 (56:57):
And it has nothing to do with the other thing.

SPEAKER_10 (56:58):
And again, it will lead to the end of the party if
they keep doing this.
It just doesn't work.
And so you're just gonna erode,erode, erode, and and you end up
killing your own party.
But whatever.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (57:09):
So we're gonna end on some happy news.

SPEAKER_10 (57:11):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (57:11):
Before Mark's um Sunday video of the day, video,
right?

SPEAKER_10 (57:15):
Sunday game day.

SPEAKER_03 (57:16):
Sunday game day.
I can't remember the name ofthis little shtick that we do.
I found some video for you thatI think is going to just wow and
amaze you.
Okay.
So I don't know if you heardheard about this fat bear
competition.
Oh my gosh, I've heard about itfor years.
They have it in a national parkin Alaska.
Right, okay.
So here's the winner.
And I wanted to show you thewinner from the fat bear
competition.

(57:37):
His name is Chunk.

SPEAKER_10 (57:38):
Oh.
Holy cow.
You know what?
And I think I read aboutginormous.
He is huge.
And guess what the deal withChunk is?

SPEAKER_03 (57:46):
What's that?

SPEAKER_10 (57:47):
He has a broken jaw.

SPEAKER_03 (57:49):
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_10 (57:50):
He broke his jaw fighting with another bear.

unknown (57:52):
Oh.

SPEAKER_10 (57:53):
Okay?
And he injured his paw as well.
Didn't matter.
Kept going.
And he's believed to weigh what?
1200, 1400 pounds?

SPEAKER_03 (58:02):
Well, he's enormous.
I mean, he is a he's a bigfellow.
I think what's interesting ishow much video they have of this
one bear in the national park.
Oh, he's unreal.
Well, because I'm sure they'rewatching.

SPEAKER_10 (58:11):
No, I'll tell you why they have so much video.
Uh, he's been a top competitorfor the award the past two
years.

SPEAKER_03 (58:18):
Okay, I didn't get all that.

SPEAKER_10 (58:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what happened was he lost outto a female bear last year.
Okay.
Okay, there's some rough storieson this.
I'm not going to tell you one ofthe rough stories.
I don't want to know.
Yeah, Chunk is.
You want to what?
You want to know?
Else?
All right, Els, get on the michere.
I'll tell you the story.
Okay, here's the thing aboutChunk.
Okay, um, uh, Chunk last year uhwas eating salmon.

(58:39):
Okay.
This female bear had a cub.
The cub fell down the river andwent into Chunk's area that
Chunk was eating, um, was eatingsalmon, and Chunk injured the
little bear, and he ended updying.
No, so so Chunk is there.
He is, there's his broken jaw.
Oh my god, you can see thebroken jaw.
So this guy, while Chunk is kindof an interesting name, uh, I I

(59:02):
gotta tell you, this guy's a bitof a toxic.

SPEAKER_03 (59:04):
He looks like Maverick.
He's got no he doesn't.
No, he does not.

SPEAKER_10 (59:06):
You guys it's so weird.

SPEAKER_03 (59:08):
You guys, uh the kids and Mark in our family
think that every animal they saylooks like our husky.

SPEAKER_10 (59:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:14):
Can you fix a bear's broken jaw?

SPEAKER_10 (59:16):
I don't think so.
I think you just let it heal.

SPEAKER_03 (59:18):
Why would we, really, at this point?
Because he's so cute.
Well, he looks like he's gotlike scared.
Yeah, he's been no.
When you're the when you're thebig bear in the in the
neighborhood, why is I was justpicking it because I I thought
he's the big, he's the fat, he'sthe one.

SPEAKER_10 (59:30):
Well, I know, but then I started diving in to this
backstory on this guy because Ihad to know.
And it turns out there's thestory is here.

SPEAKER_03 (59:37):
The motto, the, the moral is the same.
Bears don't want to be yourfriend.
When Mark shows me videos ofbears walking around, I don't,
that are right next to wherewe're building.
I don't need to go for a walkright there.

SPEAKER_10 (59:47):
Okay, well, let's then let's just take a look
because we got this guy uh in uhthis week.
There he is.
There's the big fella.
Oh my gosh.
Look at the size of him.

SPEAKER_03 (59:55):
Yeah, he's getting ready to go for it.

SPEAKER_10 (59:58):
Yeah, look at him.
I mean, look at the boots.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:01):
Okay, yeah, again, he's so cute.
He's so cute, you guys, that hedoes not want to be your friend.
So let's not misunderstand that.

SPEAKER_10 (01:00:08):
But I think there's so a couple of those berry,
there's a couple berry bushesthere, is what I think he was
doing because he sat there for awhile.
Okay.
Eating those berry bushes.
Okay, number two, we had a quickvisit from a little coyote.
There he goes.
Oh, very little.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:21):
Yep, very nice.
Just going right on by ugly.
Very new Mexican.
Oh no, but the best one.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (01:00:26):
The best one.
We got a skunk.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:28):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_10 (01:00:29):
Yeah, we got a skunk this week.
It was good.
Little Pepe Le Pew.
Oh, yeah.
Pepe Le Pew comes across and theskunk.
He's moving pretty quick, too.
Look at him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:36):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (01:00:38):
Look at that thing.
Yeah, he's he goes right on by.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:41):
Yeah, he's he gets fired up.
Yes.
Okay, never dull on Mark'slittle uh game day videos.

SPEAKER_10 (01:00:46):
Oh, I know.
I love him though.
It looks good.
I one thing we have not seenyet.
He does look good.
Uh we have one thing we haven'tseen yet.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:52):
He's not an ugly skunk, in case you were curious.
He's a looking, he's lookinggood.

SPEAKER_10 (01:00:56):
But we haven't seen a raccoon.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:58):
That's okay with me.

SPEAKER_10 (01:00:59):
Or a fox.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:00):
I do, I like the fox.
I'd like to see a fox.

SPEAKER_10 (01:01:02):
Yeah, so we don't have a fox or raccoon yet.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:04):
Foxes, rabbits, uh, yeah, we got a ton of rabbits.

SPEAKER_10 (01:01:07):
I don't even show you rabbits.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:08):
Those are those are my people.
I don't even show you rabbitsbecause we got to show you.

SPEAKER_10 (01:01:11):
Yeah.
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