Chaos doesn’t just appear—it’s invited. We bring on former San Juan County Sheriff Ken Christensen to dig into how policy choices and political signals ripple into street-level realities, from cashless bail in New Mexico to nightly unrest outside ICE facilities in Portland. Ken shares why he left, what changed during his time away, and why he’s running again to restore order, support officers, and make communities feel safe walking to the grocery store.
We trace the timeline from the 2016 bail reform pitch to the 2017 rollout and the unintended consequences that followed: repeat offenders back on the street, rising recidivism, and a spike in officer-involved shootings. Then we zoom out to the national scene—local leaders discouraging police response, protests turning violent while officers watch from the curb, and federal agents forced to manage situations locals won’t touch. Ken doesn’t mince words on how leadership affects morale and outcomes: when rules are soft and rhetoric is incendiary, people test boundaries, and everyday residents pay the price.
We also tackle the thorny questions: Should local police assist federal agencies like ICE? What happens when cities operate hotlines to tip off neighborhoods about federal enforcement? How do we recruit and retain good officers after years of “defund” narratives and legal uncertainty? Ken outlines concrete moves—restore qualified immunity protections, reduce red tape that punishes proactive policing, target repeat offenders consistently, and invest in the support roles and technology that actually solve crimes.
If you care about public safety, police morale, crime policy, and what it takes to rebuild trust, this conversation pulls no punches and offers a road map. Listen, share with a friend who cares about safer streets, and leave a review so more people can find the show.
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SPEAKER_06 (00:03):
Okay.
We have a special edition.
It's been a while.
SPEAKER_04 (00:06):
It has been a while since we've had a guest.
SPEAKER_06 (00:08):
Yes.
And so it it for us to have aguest, it was like, listen, we
gotta have a guy with somejuice.
SPEAKER_04 (00:14):
Well, it's a nice break from just hearing you
yammering on and on, right?
We'll have somebody else to comeand actually fill some air.
It'll be nice.
SPEAKER_06 (00:21):
Yeah.
Ken, I'm sorry you gotta hearthis.
That's okay.
It's a little na it gets alittle nasty now.
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
I hear it at my house too.
Yeah, I know you can't.
SPEAKER_06 (00:27):
Well, I we'd like to thank your wife.
But this is Ken Christensen, bythe way.
He is the former San Juan CountySheriff for two terms.
He took a break for eight years,retired, uh, kind of drove
around Farmington aimlessly forabout eight years, and then
decided, wait a minute, I'mgetting back in this thing, is
gonna run for sheriff again.
SPEAKER_01 (00:45):
Yeah, no, that's right.
I I need to get back into it.
Uh it it I have too much atstake to let the you know other
people that I don't think can dothe job uh take over.
I want to do it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (00:55):
And uh and you were very successful at it the first
time you did it.
Very successful.
Yeah, no, and we'll talk aboutthat.
And but uh the reason I wantedto have you on, yeah, we're
gonna talk about your race andabout the state of New Mexico
because I I think you know, thestate as a whole, we talk about
it all the time.
We have a major crime problemhere, clearly.
Absolutely.
It is something that infects thewhole state.
(01:16):
It is something that if we cometogether, we can deal with it.
And I think we'll talk to youabout some of those things.
But also, nationwide, theenvironment for law enforcement
right now is incrediblydangerous.
It's horrible, right now.
Yeah.
And I want to talk to you aboutthat as well as as we get into
all this.
But I have to ask you off thetop here.
You you you did retire, and thenyou decide, wait a minute, I'm
(01:38):
gonna get back into this again.
Correct.
What what did you see in thissay intervening eight years?
And and when did you kind of hitthat tipping point where you
said, I can't continue to sit onthe sidelines.
I want to get in the middle ofthis and try to do something
about it again.
SPEAKER_01 (01:53):
I'm glad you asked because in 2017 uh is when the
catch and release just started.
SPEAKER_06 (01:59):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (01:59):
Uh yeah, 2016 it was it was approved by voters.
That's right.
SPEAKER_06 (02:03):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
In 2017, it actually took effect, and so criminals
were back on the street almostimmediately.
Uh one of those cases ended upin Farmington where a man with
multiple convictions and andarrest uh actually was in a
shootout with our officers and astate police officer.
Uh luckily our officers andstate police officer were fine,
but that person died.
(02:24):
Uh, and that was a directresult.
Since that time, I've watchedover 30 police involved
shootings in San Juan Countyalone, yeah, and over 350 in the
state.
Uh and so those types of thingsthat make you say, wait a
minute, we're not protecting.
And then they take away thequalified immunity from these
officers, and that's huge.
There's a shortage of officerseverywhere.
(02:45):
We're not protecting our policeofficers, and we have to do that
first.
Officers have PTSD fromadministrations, uh, and not
only from the job, the thingsthat they see and do, but from
administrations, from all thepolicies mandated by the state
that are absolutely destroyinglaw enforcement in this state.
SPEAKER_06 (03:03):
Yeah, no, I I think you see it all the time.
And and it is it is hard.
And and uh I'll also get tothis, but it is amazing to me
now.
And if you go on Twitter or X orwhatever, heck, Instagram,
TikTok, you see when people getpulled over, they think it's
game on now.
Yeah, right.
There used to be a time when youget pulled over by a police
officer, you're like, yeah, whatdo you need, officer?
(03:24):
Tell me what you need.
Let's do you know, it therespect was there, it should be
there.
And now it's like people don'tthink they have to abide by
anything and and they can fightit out with an officer.
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
No, that's that that's totally uh you're right.
That's crazy.
It's it's gone downhill in ahurry.
Um the police officers areactually acting on on uh they're
not acting on instinct.
And and they need to act oninstinct.
And what happens is they're soworried about violating a policy
or a law that they are afraid todo their job and then they end
up getting uh it hurt or hurtingsomeone else because they've
(03:58):
waited too long to intervene.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (04:00):
And you've seen this, I'm assuming, since the
whole defunding of the policemovement that kind of spread
across the nation here,especially in New Mexico as
well.
You feel like this is stillrippling effects from that?
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
I mean, absolutely.
And not just uh the defund thepolice, but the whole idea and
this cashless bail uh that hastaken over uh this is lunacy.
Um, and and it cost the state anenormous amount of money to try
to keep tabs on these criminals.
SPEAKER_06 (04:26):
Yeah.
And they don't do a very goodjob of it, by the way.
They don't do anything.
Yeah, like talking anklemonitors.
SPEAKER_04 (04:30):
I mean, we've talked about we've had they have, but
explain it, explain just for ourviewers that don't know what
cashless bail and how much thatchanged everything.
Just give a quick recap of whatwe're doing.
SPEAKER_06 (04:37):
What happened was in 2016, it was presented to voters
as uh a change in the in thestate constitution that would
basically do a good job atkeeping violent criminals behind
bars, right?
It was that's how it waspresented.
This is what they do all thetime on these things is they
present them as one thing, butthe intent is something else.
So what ended up happening waswhile they told voters, hey,
(04:58):
we're gonna keep violentcriminals behind bars while not
locking up people who arenonviolent offenders.
That was sort of the basic case.
Right.
The shoplifters.
Like the shoplifters, right?
Which, by the way, if youshoplift enough, you behind you
belong behind bars anyway.
But either either way, uhCharlie Daniels, who was head of
the New Mexico Supreme Court atone time, he sold this thing
like crazy, right?
(05:19):
And then it passes.
So what it essentially does thenis it allows the judges to then
turn people right back out onthe street.
And it was coupled with thingslike the Arnold tool, which was
something that was used in theAlbuquerque area, where it was
this metric, right?
Where they would plug things in.
Absolutely.
And then every time, magically,no matter what these people did,
the metric told them, the Arnoldtool told them release them.
(05:41):
So they'd release them.
And the and the Arnold tool wasactually something that some
financial guy came up with.
It was a disaster, right?
So they're just turning peopleright back out on the street,
right back out on the street.
The recidivum recidivism ratesare incredibly high.
As you know, Sheriff, when wetalk about these sorts of
things, you get this small cadreof people that commit an
inordinate amount of the crime.
(06:02):
Yeah.
Well, we've just turned themback out on the street with
this.
And everybody in the state ofNew Mexico got something that
they did not bargain for.
That's right.
And that is a skyrocket in theviolent crime across the state
of New Mexico.
It is made us now, and this isvery clear, and there's no way
to deny it, it is made us themost violent state in the
country.
That day in 2016 sealed ourfate.
(06:23):
And exactly what you're saying.
Until we do something about it,that fate's gonna stay right on
that same array.
SPEAKER_01 (06:28):
There's so much that goes into that.
The the judges, our SupremeCourt could change that now,
because it's a different makeupon the Supreme Court.
They could change that byoverruling that.
But they won't.
Um and so we have to, you know,we we talked about our
representatives, or ourrepresentatives are outnumbered,
our senators are outnumbered,right?
Um, and nobody wants to goagainst the base.
But here's what we can do (06:48):
we can go to each and every city
and have city town town hallmeetings and get every city
councilman, every commissioner,every municipal league, um the
association of counties, andevery sheriff, ask them
directly, put them on record.
Don't you want to lower thecrime rate?
Let's change this now.
(07:09):
Let's go back to let the bailbondsmen control the criminals
instead of letting them runfree.
SPEAKER_06 (07:13):
Well, and it's one of the things we talked about
when we ran for governors.
That was our number onepriority, which would have been
we would have gone around toevery county in the state and
said, we're not moving a singlepiece of legislation through the
legislature.
I'm not gonna sign a thing untilwe change the cashless bail
system in the state of NewMexico, until we make people
safer, until we hold people toaccount.
(07:34):
And the problem is we have, bythe way, we have Democrats in
the legislature that will dothis.
They will get on board, but youhave a far-left contingent which
seems hellbent on continuingthis process, which is
devastating.
So we can get to more of that injust a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (07:49):
It still doesn't make any sense to me.
SPEAKER_06 (07:50):
Yeah, it's it's crazy.
It's crazy.
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (07:52):
Okay, well, let's dive into a little bit of the
national stuff that's going onbecause we can't, I mean, it
it's amazing that this stuffjust keeps every day.
There's more and more and morecontent.
We could, I mean, we could havekeep you here all day to talk
about this, but we we just chosea few things.
The biggest one that we've beentalking about in the last couple
of shows is Portland and howPortland is just erupting.
Um, and really the theprotesting and the violent
(08:14):
behavior is aimed directly atICE and federal officials that
are trying to do their job.
And so uh, you know, we we talkabout how the leaders in that
state keep saying there'snothing to see here.
There's nothing to see.
SPEAKER_06 (08:30):
Because as a sheriff of a county, right, you and the
governor don't always see eye toeye, for example, right?
Absolutely.
Right.
And and that that can definitelyhappen.
And and so in this particularcase, I think I want to touch on
first, I want you to listen tothe head of ICE in Portland who
is who talks about the mayor ofPortland and what the Portland
(08:52):
City Council has done.
And there's no one better totalk about this than you.
And that is the fact that whenyou have leaders who don't want
to do their job, they create apermission structure for chaos.
And that's exactly what'shappening.
So this is a story from BillMelugin, and here is the head of
ICE in Portland talking aboutwhat the leaders in Portland are
(09:15):
doing.
SPEAKER_05 (09:17):
ICE's Portland director, Kamala Wamsley, told
me she's extremely frustratedwith Portland police.
She says the Portland mayor andcity council largely block
police from responding to anyviolence at ICE's building.
Take a listen.
SPEAKER_03 (09:34):
Um, there have been folks that have been assaulted
right down here on the street,even across the street, and it
it takes Portland police a whileto respond, or sometimes they
don't respond at all.
SPEAKER_05 (09:47):
Is that frustrating?
SPEAKER_03 (09:48):
It is frustrating.
It's frustrating for us to watchpeople be attacked on the street
and know that we don't have theauthority to be able to really
step in unless there's somenexus to federal law.
That's frustrating for us.
SPEAKER_06 (10:03):
Okay.
I appreciate the dreamy BillMeludin.
SPEAKER_04 (10:06):
Yeah, well, he's very he's very attractive.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, no, no, no, it's okay.
I understand.
Anytime we can put a clip inwith Bill, we do it.
unknown (10:12):
We do it.
SPEAKER_06 (10:12):
Well, somebody does it.
Uh so just let's touch on thatfor a second.
And then I want to give you anexample of of what this
dereliction of duty from themayor ends up resulting in.
Okay.
But when you hear this sort ofthing as law enforcement, it can
you imagine, for example, if ifyou were told, now now sheriffs
are different because sheriffshave much more autonomy.
(10:33):
You are an elected official.
This is a different deal.
You are the most importantelected official, I would argue,
in San Juan County.
Okay.
That's right.
You know, and you have moreautonomy, right?
That than like, say, the policechief of Farmington does, right?
SPEAKER_01 (10:46):
That's right.
Because the police chiefs workedfor the council and the mayor.
Yep.
And the city manager.
Yep.
The the sheriff of any county inNew Mexico works for the people
of that county, period.
SPEAKER_06 (10:55):
Yeah.
But but still, but you stillhave a good perspective on this
in the respect that when you seeleaders do this sort of thing,
what does it do?
What do you think the morale islike for cops in Portland?
SPEAKER_01 (11:05):
Well, most of the cops are are embarrassed.
Yeah.
Uh it should, it's a shameful.
Um this is the kind of thingthat fostered Antifa to begin
with.
Antifa's been there and and thisis their hotbed, and they've
done nothing to do anything todeter them.
They've allowed them to do this.
The police are told not to takeuh not to arrest them.
(11:27):
And and the ones they do arrestare let out almost immediately,
and there's no prosecution.
Uh so this is this is astatewide deal.
Uh, it needs to come down hard.
I I believe that Trump's doingthe right thing.
Send federal troops in, protectthe uh men and women of ICE and
Homeland Security and and BorderPatrol and their in their
duties, let them round up theseillegal criminals.
(11:48):
Um, and and the police ought tobe in there helping.
It would be so much easier.
They wouldn't have to go to uhto other places and and make
these raids if they could justget them out of the jail.
Yeah.
But these sanctuary states andcities have absolutely destroyed
that.
SPEAKER_06 (12:02):
Yep.
And that's uh Albuquerque is oneof those.
SPEAKER_04 (12:04):
Yeah, I mean, and I I mean, I'm sure we're all
sitting here dumbfounded bythis, but do you have any
insight on why do you thinkleaders like mayors say, uh,
don't, you know, tell the cops,do not respond to this.
If they, you know, do not go andhelp these people, do not help
any ICE officers.
Why why do you think I mean itseems so backwards to me?
SPEAKER_01 (12:24):
Well, I'll tell you right now, they're scared of
Antifa.
They're spineless people, theyshouldn't be in office.
They're absolutely afraid ofAntifa and the far left.
Those people are the ones thatare driving this.
They don't want to oppose them.
Um, they want to let them runfree.
Yeah, and it's it's absolutelysad.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (12:43):
Um, but they shouldn't be there to begin
with.
Okay, so let's talk about this.
Let's let's go to fight night.
Okay, it's fight night inPortland, and we're gonna show
you this video.
This is what happens when thepolice don't step in.
So, and we have evidence of allthis, which we'll show you.
So, this is a confrontationbetween an Antifa member,
allegedly, who is uh the guywho's bald in this particular
deal, and a guy he's fighting.
(13:04):
So the the police in Portlandare literally watching off to
the side, and we're going to putthis uh video in motion here.
And Elsie can bring the sound uhslightly up, but not much, if
you don't mind.
So look at this.
So these guys are, you know,this guy, uh the guy with the
freedom shirt, it had enough ofAntifa.
The Antifa guy was going afterhim, you know, challenging him,
challenging him.
So again, nobody's stepping inhere.
(13:25):
Cops step in here and stop this,fine, but you don't see him do
it.
And then eventually what happenshere is freedom uh lands a shot
to the jaw of Antifa.
There we go, and he's down.
Okay.
And I do believe they ended upin another fight after this, and
the Antifa guy was laid out.
Okay.
So then take a look at this.
Here is a picture from that veryfight.
(13:47):
As you look off into the back ofthe picture here, and within the
red circle, those are thePortland police.
Okay.
And after another, anothertussle, that that's the Antifa
guy laid out on the ground.
Now, look, I couldn't, you know,disagree more with Antifa, but I
don't want to see one of theseguys on the ground, and he could
have been serious, he was notseriously hurt, apparently.
SPEAKER_04 (14:10):
Well, look at the next video.
I think the the issue here isjust that it just says, hey,
this is okay.
You can do this on our streets.
You know, that's kind of thememo that they're putting out
there.
You've got ICE officers nowtrying to clean up this mess
while Portland police stay, youknow, or have been told to stay
back.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (14:27):
And so he's yeah, he's laid out.
So I think there was anotherfight after that one.
Okay, which is not, I mean,again, uh, we couldn't disagree
more with the Antifa, but Idon't nobody wants to see this
kind of violence.
SPEAKER_01 (14:38):
And it should never have been allowed to get that
far.
Yeah.
They should have stepped inimmediately.
There's no reason for the Antifaand all these protesters to be
right there at the gates andharassing these people.
They should block it off.
SPEAKER_06 (14:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
Uh, and anybody who makes a small violation should
be arrested.
SPEAKER_06 (14:52):
Yep.
Period.
Well, and that isn't that isn'tICE's job, by the way.
No, no.
But you just saw, you know, yousaw the the the head of ICE in
in Portland say, hey, we have tobe a nexus here.
Well, if if Portland policewon't do their job, well, ICE
can't sit there and watch someguy get laid out on the on the
pavement where he could have abrain bleed.
So they ended up having to takehim off to get treatment.
(15:14):
And so you're seeing them justuh absolutely not stand up to
their to their job here.
And so here's another piece ofvideo, right?
We so you you've got a situationwhere what you start to run into
here is you see people thateffectively start thinking they
can do whatever they want.
And then they find out, oops,no, I can't.
(15:35):
So check this out.
We'll just run this video foryou.
And you got a girl mouthing offtwo ICE officers right in front
of the building here.
She's challenging them.
And then they told her, hey,back off, get away.
Again, this gets back to ourpoint, not listening, and then
bang, she takes a pepper sprayright to the face.
Okay, and by the way, as thisvideo keeps going, else you can
(15:57):
bring up the sound just a littlebit.
Uh, you'll hear she uh reacts uhunfavorably to what happened,
right?
But but again, if this stuff,you know, is allowed to
continue, the result is peopleget hurt.
Absolutely.
And so the cowardly nature ofthe mayor, I just it doesn't
make you see her screaming.
I can imagine.
I bet pepper spray right in themug hurts.
(16:19):
It does burn.
You can officially vouch forthat.
Oh, yeah.
Happened to me too.
Yeah, so so where you know,where do you where do you see
things going here in this typeof conflict?
SPEAKER_01 (16:32):
Well, it it's gonna continue to get worse as long as
we have cowards running thecities and states.
And and that goes for the policechiefs, too.
Shame on him.
Resign, walk away.
If you can't do your job, walkaway.
Do not put these men and womenthat took an oath to do their
jobs, uh, do not put them in ain a position where they have to
watch this kind of nonsensehappen.
SPEAKER_04 (16:52):
Yeah, it's it's just it, it just I feel like it
you're not safe.
Like that's the whole thing.
I was talking to a friend ofmine, she lives up in Minnesota
actually, and she just wastalking about how she's just
trying to go to the grocerystore.
And now she had to stay in thegrocery store because there's
just fights going on outside,like grown people on heavily on
drugs.
And she's like, What happens?
Like, this is my neighborhoodgrocery store.
(17:12):
And now that we we're waiting tosee do cops show up?
Are they gonna do anything oncethey get there?
It creates a community of chaosand it makes you nervous as just
an everyday citizen.
Where can I go?
It makes us nervous to send ourkids out, you know, and not to
be fear-mongering, but justthere's a reality check that if
you don't manage small things,small criminal behavior, it
(17:33):
escalates.
SPEAKER_01 (17:34):
And we said that perfectly.
If if you don't take care ofeveryone small, and here's the
deal you build cases on people,these are repeat offenders that
keep doing this over and overagain.
Um if we would have beenarresting them from the
beginning, Antifa wouldn't bethere.
Um because they would have a rapsheet and getting more severe
punishment each time theyre-offended.
(17:54):
Uh and and repeat offenders arethat's a problem in New Mexico.
We're flooded with repeatoffenders.
And until we start putting themin prison in in our jails, it's
gonna continue to to blossom.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (18:07):
So I want to ask you about the mentality of um sort
of people, I guess you'd saythat that and I wonder if you
can see this.
And it is a lot of these peoplethink they're tough guys until
something goes down, untilthey're dealt with.
And and this is sort of abehavior correction, I wonder
about.
Because I especially in thingslike this, and I'm not talking
(18:30):
about necessarily hardcore, youknow, criminals and and people
that have, you know, gangmembers or whatever that is.
This this to me is a littledifferent.
To me, Antifa can be a littledifferent because it's such a
broad umbrella.
And sometimes it includes peoplethat that that think they're one
thing, and then once they get inthe middle of a conflict, they
turn into something else.
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
Oh, absolutely.
And most of them do.
Yeah.
Because when when it gets real,a lot of those people uh uh
decide they didn't really wantto play this game, but it's too
late at that point.
Okay, so let's let's take avideo of that.
Your guy is back.
SPEAKER_04 (19:03):
Yeah, Bill's back with this guy.
Uh, this is an interesting onewhere uh, you know, he comes off
as one thing, has this, youknow, great move.
Hold on, one second.
And then um he's changing histune.
Yeah, yeah, when he uh shows upat the police station.
SPEAKER_06 (19:15):
Yeah, we'll listen to this.
SPEAKER_05 (19:16):
We did see agents make this target uh this
targeted arrest of a protesterlast night.
They said they had to be out onthe lookout for after the feds
say he was involved with uhdumping red paint on the federal
property on Tuesday night.
Take a look at this picturehere.
Federal agents showed us thisphoto of that same protest from
Tuesday, which they say is thesame guy covered in red paint
(19:37):
and flipping up double middlefingers at the agents on the
roof.
Then this was him last night inthe intake area, though.
We witnessed him visibly shakingand appearing terrified as we
watched federal agents processhim after his arrest.
He was pleading with agentssaying he is just a social media
influencer.
So, okay, so hold on.
SPEAKER_01 (19:55):
What is going on here?
Might as well just ask formommy, too.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (20:00):
Yeah, do you know do you notice like and is that
something that's important inlaw enforcement when you're
dealing with some of thesethings, knowing the kind of
person you're dealing with?
SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
Well, you know, you never know who you're dealing
with, and that's the thing.
But a lot of times people wantto step up and and say something
or do something, they thinkthey're gonna get away with it
and be in a um some kind of acharacter.
But when it gets real, when it'stime to put the handcuffs on and
get taken to the ground, uh theychange their tune rather
quickly.
And I've had many of people cryall the way to jail um and
(20:30):
begging me to release them.
Yeah.
And and but that point's toolate.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (20:34):
And they haven't thought about the consequences,
really.
You know?
SPEAKER_06 (20:37):
No, no question.
No doubt.
Okay.
So one other thing on thisPortland thing before we get to
some other stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (20:42):
Okay.
SPEAKER_06 (20:42):
Um I last night and the night before, finally you
started to see something change.
And and maybe it's because I Ithink uh the country a bit has
changed.
And so when you see this stuffin Portland go on night after
night, a couple of years ago,had you seen this, the response
would have been, wow, that'scrazy what's going on in
Portland.
SPEAKER_04 (21:01):
But now the response is No, I think you would have
seen the crowds get bigger,bonfire start, uh, building K on
fire.
I mean, honestly, I think itwould have escalated even worse.
SPEAKER_06 (21:09):
But another peaceful peaceful protest.
Another peaceful protest.
Yes.
But now you're starting to see apushback that I think you
haven't necessarily always seenbefore.
And people are feeling feelingmore emboldened to say, wait a
minute, we want our countryback.
And so listen to what happenedlast night and what the crowd
started doing outside the icefacility.
unknown (21:28):
You want to say it.
You want to say it.
You want to say it.
SPEAKER_06 (21:33):
So they're just chanting USA and it to the ICE,
you know, officials there, andthey drown out what was going on
with Antifa folks.
What does that tell you?
SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
Well, I think we're we're turning things around, and
it's because of our leadershipin Washington.
That's Trump.
SPEAKER_06 (21:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:49):
Um, and and Charlie Kirk, um, people like this that
have that have stood up in theface of all this nonsense and
and said these things that wehave to stop.
Uh we have to get our ourcountry back, our state back,
our cities and counties back.
Um we can't do this.
We're we shouldn't be afraid ofthe cancel culture and the woke
BS that happens all the time.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (22:11):
Well, I want to ask you about another guy who uh I I
found this soundbite as it cameacross and I I couldn't believe
it.
SPEAKER_04 (22:19):
Oh, I can.
I mean, number one, it's fromSeattle, and he's the mayor of
Seattle.
So I don't know how this shocksyou.
But uh I I mean, honestly, Iwould love to see I mean, I'm
not I shouldn't say that Kellerwould be similar, but you have
to have this kind of mentalityif you support Sanctuary City
and you exp and you say catchand release is no big deal.
If you are of that mindset, Ithink you're very familiar you
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have to be in line with this thesame this mayor that this guy's
talking about.
SPEAKER_06 (22:44):
I mean, so the mayor is Bruce Harrell, and and we
it's good, it's a relativelyquick soundbite, but he talks
about uh law enforcement and theway to maybe get to a safer
point in your city.
And I I would term this uh Ithink as a variety of people
have suicidal empathy.
SPEAKER_08 (23:02):
Listen to this.
Let me lead with that.
So when this person iscommitting six or seven crimes,
I don't know his or her story.
I don't know, maybe they wereabused as a child, maybe they're
hungry.
So my my remedy is to find theirlife story to see how we could
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help first.
I have no desire to put them injail.
But I need to protect you, andthat's the calibration that we
have.
SPEAKER_01 (23:32):
He's an idiot.
Unbelievable.
An idiot.
Um you want to find out how theywere raised and if they were
hungry or not?
I'm sorry.
I listened to this last nightand I I was shocked.
Um this is a mayor of Seattle.
Yeah um it's unbelievable.
So what do you think?
SPEAKER_04 (23:49):
He's not a therapist, by the way.
I mean, last time I checked, themayor shouldn't be there like,
and let me just sit down andlisten to the this kid's woes.
Like, and I I I would beoffended if I'm a member of the
black and brown communities,which is he is what he's talking
about.
The black and brown communitieswant to be safe too.
They want safe neighborhoods,they want safe streets, they
want to go to the grocery storewithout risk of getting
carjacked or robbed or anythingelse that's been happening on
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nationally.
So I just think it's it's again,it's playing down to this, like,
I don't know, this idealism thatthese poor, poor people, that's
why they're committing thesecrimes.
No, these poor, poor people keepcommitting crimes because of
what we just talked about, thatthere's been no real consequence
for them up to this date.
And just like parenting, you canfeel sorry for your kid, but if
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you uh spare the rod or spareany sort of consequence when
they misbehave, all they'regoing to do is can come just
keep committing those things.
Absolutely and keep misbehavingand seeing how far they can push
a boundary.
That's even parenting 101.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
So and I hope that our country turns around, you
know, enough that we get rid ofpeople like this.
That's insane.
He's not the one on the frontline.
He's not the one out there, he'snot a victim uh of one of these
crimes.
I don't matter what the crimeis, I I can care less uh how he
was raised or if he was hungryor not when he when he committed
a murder or robbery or rape or aburglary and broke into your
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home.
Why why would we care that?
We can talk about that later asa senating.
Um his attorney's gonna bring itup.
Why don't we just get therefirst?
Yeah.
Uh and let the judge decide.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (25:17):
It reminds me of that legisl legislator that was
talking about how we need to letthe drug, uh, the drug, the
people selling drugs carry theirguns and that we shouldn't
really come back on them becauseselling drugs is a really
dangerous job.
It's a dangerous thing.
Do you remember she said that inour state legislature?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (25:31):
It is a dangerous job.
SPEAKER_04 (25:32):
Yeah, it turns out selling drugs, pretty dangerous.
So yeah.
But like it's that it's thatcommitment to the criminal
versus keeping people safe.
And I just don't, I have zeroability to understand that.
SPEAKER_06 (25:42):
Well, and I do think it's eating itself in a way,
right?
And so those philosophies thatthat have taken hold in places
like San Francisco and Seattleand Portland have eroded the
quality of life in those citiesto such a degree that it is
impossible to make the case thatit works.
It's impossible to be able tosay we're making progress
because you're not.
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Albuquerque is another greatexample.
I mean, this is a city now thatwhere crime has raged out of
control for so long that thatyou can't possibly make the case
that they have a feel for it orthat they're solving anything.
And so we'll see what happenswith this.
But I do think what you saw inthe 2024 election, and I think
it's interesting going forward,as we look at all the numbers,
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2026 may be sort of a stalematetype of year.
And what I mean by that is thatbecause of it being a Trump
midterm, naturally that usuallypushes the country in the other
direction.
It's just the way it alwaysworks.
However, that comes up againstthe fact of policies like we saw
from Bruce Harrell.
And too many on the left aresaying, yeah, we we believe in
those policies.
And so therefore, more and morepeople are going, this doesn't
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work.
And Democrats have been sheddingvoters because of it.
And they have no plan behind itto be able to say, okay, you're
right, that didn't work.
We're recalibrating.
They're not doing any of that.
So I do think it could be alittle bit of a stalemate in 26
because of those twocontravening, you know, pieces
of information.
And then 28 will be verydifficult for Democrats if they
don't find a message to be ableto say, we're going to keep you
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safe.
If they won't keep you safe,what do they have?
SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
Well, and and I think it's starting to, I think
it's going to go a little bitfurther to the left before it
gets back to the right.
Yeah.
Look what's happening in NewYork.
Um, you've got a socialist,communist, whatever, a Marxist,
whatever you want to call him.
He's uh leading the race and forthe mayor's race.
SPEAKER_06 (27:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
Yep.
Yeah.
And and this is uh it's kind ofscary, but uh sometimes it's
look it's good to let them havetheir way for a little while and
so everybody can see what itreally is.
SPEAKER_04 (27:35):
What what do you think?
Like when you hear Keller here,the mayor of Albuquerque saying
getting up and making thesestatements that crime is down
and you know our homelessness isreally we're really, you know,
solving those issues.
You're not a fool to any ofthis, right?
So what do you think when yousee leadership getting up there
and basically trying to pull thewool over people's eyes, which I
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think that ship has sailed, butit's still people will buy into
what he's saying.
SPEAKER_01 (27:58):
Well, I I I think it's time for someone to stand
up, call him out for what it is.
We we need a good candidate todo that.
I'm not sure that we have one inthis this race, um, but it needs
to happen because it's nonsense.
Crime's not going down, it'sgoing up.
Um and and our governor's nothelping.
Um they've sent uh for differentthings, the National Guard into
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Espanola and Albuquerque fordifferent events and things.
SPEAKER_06 (28:22):
Um to to do the type of clerical work that is
completely unhelpful.
SPEAKER_01 (28:28):
And and you know, and there's so many things we
can do to help law enforcement.
It's not just a number of cops,it's the support services that
help them.
Um crime scene techs and all thetechnology that goes with that.
Um we need a lot, a lot more oftechnology, but goodness
gracious, killer's a fool andand he's just a liar.
SPEAKER_06 (28:48):
Yeah.
No, it's it's been brutal.
It's been brutal.
All right, I want to turn ourfocus to the legislature, New
Mexico State Legislature.
Oh boy.
And and some of the rhetoric.
You mentioned the Charlie Kirkshooting.
Uh, you know, the rhetoric hasbeen over the top in this state
from the far left.
It's it it really has beenbrutal.
And Eleanor Chavez is a uh she'sa representative from
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Albuquerque.
Okay, and I want you to listento her comments here and what
she said about ICE and the kindof overheated rhetoric that she
brought to the table about 10days ago.
SPEAKER_00 (29:23):
And I'm gonna call it what it is.
It's fascism, and ICE is actinglike the KKK.
And we've got to stop our localpolice, our state police, we've
got to stop those employees whoare collaborating with us.
We've got to stop them, andwe've got to make our laws
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stronger so that we pretendourselves because when they're
done coming after our immigrantcommunity, they're gonna start
picking everybody else off aswell, and we need to understand
that.
So the time to stand up is now.
It's not.
Time to stand down.
Thank you, Mr.
Chair.
SPEAKER_06 (30:02):
Okay.
That that is those are the wordsof a complete ignorant fool who
has no business representinganybody with life.
I mean, it really is when youhear that, it it's incredibly
inflammatory, and and it iscatnip for people who are on the
edge of their own personal Ithink sanity.
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In other words, I was gonna saymental illness.
Yeah.
And that gives them the the theabsolute push to be able to say,
take up arms.
Yep.
Take up arms because they'regonna quote pick us off.
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
Yep.
Well I'm sorry, what does thatlanguage mean?
Well, you know, it and when shesays that, once they get the
illegals, the criminals out,then they're coming after us.
Well, that would only mean thatshe's a criminal.
Um because we we don't arrestanybody that's not a criminal.
Uh I mean, or at least suspectedof being a criminal, alleged.
And and then there's dueprocess.
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So she just bouncing this uh,I'm gonna say it's crap.
Yeah.
Um, and she says that, andhopefully she gets some support
from Albuquerque, but uh mostpeople are seeing the the truth.
It's it's not happening.
SPEAKER_06 (31:10):
Well, but it is so irresponsible to do that, and
that's the problem we have rightnow, is we have a, and I don't
think people always grasp it.
I think you get a lot of peoplein this state who vote for their
own legislator, whoever that is,and and they don't realize we
have a collection of extremistsin the New Mexico legislature,
which really put people at risk.
And and and it is devastating.
Now, they're not all that way,they're not.
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You definitely have some thatthere are plenty that that are
that that are much moreresponsible than this.
But this is crazy that she wouldsay this.
We ran this on one of our priorshows.
And then following up with this,which is somebody you know, and
that is the the head of thepolice department in farming.
SPEAKER_04 (31:48):
I mean, before you get to that clip, I just want to
add here that meaning again, sheit's been less than a year since
somebody firebombed theRepublican headquarters and
wrote ICE equals KKK, spraypainted that all over with the
firebomb.
So to be able to go after thatwith what she's saying here just
seems incredibly irresponsible.
I mean, I teach a publicspeaking class to high schoolers
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and say, don't use fearmongering, like don't be a
fearmonger, which is what she'sdoing.
And then she's manipulating theargument there by trying to
compare these two things.
I think what's interesting, andI know we're gonna dive into
more of this on uh a later show,but uh it bothers me that this
then the state legislator getstogether um in their special
session and they talk about howwe're not going to condone
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political violence, right?
How flat that falls when youhave Eleanor Chavez saying these
same these words just last week,right?
That it's just like they'retalking out of both sides of
their mouth.
And that really bothers me aswell.
I don't see any sort of we standtogether against political
violence.
Give me a break.
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I think it falls flat.
I think that if you're gonna saythat, then act that way all the
way through in everything thatyou say.
So anyway, sorry, now we can goto the Farmington police.
SPEAKER_06 (33:02):
No, no, no, no, it's it's a really good point.
And that's exactly what they'vedone, though.
You're right.
I mean, in the and this is onething we've talked about as
well.
The extremist language, theextremism, is now being adopted
by the rank and filelegislators.
SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
Well, I mean, and it's crazy.
And all there's a whole bunch ofelected leaders throughout the
country doing the same thing,the exact same thing.
Uh Governor of Illinois.
Yeah.
Uh just it goes on and on,calling them jack booted thugs.
Yeah.
Um, and and it's just Nazis andand uh Trump Hitler.
I mean, we gotta stop this.
SPEAKER_06 (33:35):
Yeah.
Um and so then when somebody youknow again, Chief Heavy, is it,
uh the Farmington PoliceDepartment, he's he's head of
the police chiefs of New Mexico.
Um, and and he heard thesecomments, and and we played
these before too, but I wantedto get your reaction to what he
said.
So here's what he said last weekas well.
SPEAKER_07 (33:53):
In summary, I'm calling on Representative Chavez
to apologize to the policeofficers across this state who
daily are committed to keepingus safe and who are not
collaborationists with the KuKlux Klan in any way.
I also call on RepresentativeChavez if she has video proof,
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then she should contact theAnthony Police Department and
provide that so that they can doa proper investigation and find
out what happened.
But I know of no agency in NewMexico that actively goes out of
its way to enforce immigrationlaws.
We understand that is thefederal government's
responsibility.
If Representative Chavez oranyone else has video evidence
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of what occurred in Anthony, Iask them to contact the chief
down there and provide that.
But I don't believe it exists.
And I want to remind everyone,especially our elected leaders,
that as leaders words haveconsequences.
SPEAKER_01 (34:54):
So what do you make of what he said?
Well, first of all, I like thathe stood up.
Um when we see very littlechiefs and sheriffs standing up,
I I appreciate him standing up.
But there there's always a butif, you know.
But why aren't we standing upall the time?
What about the city council thatthat hired him?
How about the the mayor?
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Where are they?
Why aren't they sayingsomething?
How come our uh representativesand senators aren't saying
something and and and demandingan apology?
Um this has got to stop.
We gotta quit being quiet andsitting on our haunches and and
waiting for somebody else to dosomething.
I appreciate that, but um dolet's do something about it.
(35:35):
Uh let's let's just quit talkingabout it and and quit condemning
it and let's go after them.
Um let's let's change the lawsand and and get rid of those
people that talk that way.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:47):
Vote them out.
I mean, I keep saying I couldn'tsay it more on this show as
being paying attention to whatyour state legislat, what your
rep that you have the power tovote in and out.
What do they stand for?
Are they these trial attorneysfor one?
Check that box.
Right.
Um, and then what have they saidin meetings and in these
committee meetings?
Do they represent what you feeland what you think?
And I just think people need topay more attention.
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I know it's tough.
People have a lot of things todo and they think, oh, this
person's upstanding.
I do think that they've gottensome hitback from the Republican
senators who I've seen kind ofgo after um Eleanor on this
particular uh statement that shemade.
We do have some that are tryingvery, very hard to be voted on.
SPEAKER_06 (36:26):
Yeah, they just don't have a they don't have a
megaphone to do it.
I mean, realistically, uh themedia in this state's never
gonna give them uh their fairshake.
They're they're never gonna givethem a voice to be able to say,
wait a minute.
I mean, every news station inthe state should have been all
over this story.
It's like, what are you doing?
How are you?
I mean, but there's noaccountability on that side.
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And if you don't have a mediastructure who forces
accountability, then thebehavior of the edge of the
party or the edge of anypolitical movement just goes off
the rails.
SPEAKER_01 (36:57):
Well, I'll take it a step further from what Hebbe
said.
Why isn't those policedepartments helping ICE?
Right.
Why aren't they helping?
SPEAKER_06 (37:04):
Well, no, and I agree with so that's one thing
I'd uh I want to ask you becausehe he did, he took this sort of
dovish approach, which was,well, we we don't ever help.
Why not?
If they need your help, juststep in and and and provide help
to keep people safe.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
You know, and it going back to 2015 when I was in
office, um, and and I don't knowwhy I was selected, but I was
one of three thousand and eightyor three thousand and eight, I
can't remember how many sheriffsin the country that received the
partnership award from ICE andHomeland Security uh
investigations.
Um I was very proud of thatbecause I helped them all the
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time.
I gave them office space.
Um when they needed backup, wesent it.
Um if they needed something ininvestigation, we helped.
That's what we have to do.
All police departments andsheriff's offices in the state
need to be helping them.
Let's get these illegalcriminals out of our country,
period.
SPEAKER_06 (37:57):
Yeah.
And and I want to just touch onone other story, and that is
that not only does Albuquerqueand especially the leaders in
Albuquerque not want to help,but they literally have a phone
line dedicated to people callingin and being able to be alerted
if ICE is at work in their area.
And and there have been a bunchof stories on this.
(38:18):
But so what is it, what doesthis mean?
You know, as a law enforcementofficial, what what does this
tell you and what kind of riskdoes this put your people at if
this is the policy that's beingenacted in the city of
Albuquerque?
SPEAKER_01 (38:33):
Listen, I'll just tell you right now that it puts
every if you go out and you'rehelping or you're working with
ICE for just for the ICEofficers alone, for them to know
you're coming is a bad day.
unknown (38:46):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (38:47):
Because they could set up an ambush.
There's police officers that getambushed every single day.
We read about it and we see iton the news, dead officers
everywhere.
Um, and we can't have that.
Um, they need to be investigatedand stopped.
Um I don't care if it's federalcharges or state charges.
If we had an attorney generalfor the state that had any
huevos, then he would do it.
SPEAKER_06 (39:09):
And you you do see it, because and we've seen the
the ice ambushes.
I mean, we saw one last week.
SPEAKER_01 (39:14):
Yeah, you know Dallas, right in their their own
office.
SPEAKER_06 (39:18):
Yeah, and it what does it kill?
It kills two what two migrantswho were who were in a who were
in a van and wounded a third.
Yeah.
I mean, it it's craziness.
SPEAKER_04 (39:26):
I just think it's um it's unbelievable that you have
police.
I mean, this is the police ofAlbuquerque.
I'm sure they're beinginstructed by the mayor and
being instructed by their policechief to do this, to set up this
hotline, you know, where you cancall and find out where ice, if
ice are coming into yourneighborhood.
It just seems like it goesagainst everything that law
enforcement is a should bestanding on.
And I think that's what's soconfusing to me is how, again,
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we do this.
I mean, KUNM does this littlestory on this, but are the rest
of the media coming to the toMayor Keller and saying, why in
the world would you put officersat risk?
Whether they're federal officersor our own officers, why would
you be putting them at risk bygiving a tip sheet and letting
people call in?
SPEAKER_01 (40:05):
Because they don't view them as the good guys.
No, that's that's right.
That's it.
If I was the chief inAlbuquerque, I wouldn't uh ever
answer one of those calls.
I would make sure that phoneline was dead.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (40:16):
Yeah.
I just, it's unbelievable.
Fire me.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (40:18):
Right, right.
Well, all right.
So let's wrap with uh, you know,your your race and and what
you're hoping to do.
You got four opponents.
And now, by the way, at leastSan Juan County.
Perhaps one one of my it is agreat county in the state of New
Mexico.
It really is.
It's the it's this little thislittle ruby red county in
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northwestern New Mexico.
It's one of the big prizes.
If you're a Republican in thestate of New Mexico, it's a
county you you've got to havegreat turnout in.
And the people in San JuanCounty are are great.
But as these things go, uh, andit was one thing we've talked
about a lot on this show, thatwhen you run in a primary,
that's the that's the worst ofit, by the way.
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Forget the general.
The general election is alwaysmore fun because you are taking
on somebody that has a verydifferent value set than you do.
It's very easy to draw the thebright lines and the
differences.
But when you're in the middle ofa primary, it's a little
tougher.
So, how do you look at thisprimary?
And what do you do to make surepeople know look, trust me, it's
(41:25):
time for a steady hand again totake over.
SPEAKER_01 (41:27):
Well, and glad you said trust me, because um what
my motto is trust your future toa proven past.
Uh listen, I was very successfuluh in my eight years as sheriff.
We we made a lot of changes, wereduced crime, we we targeted
repeat offenders, we did thosethings that we talked about, and
it was successful.
Imagine that that things youknow change.
(41:49):
Um it was it was really nice.
DWIs were way down.
Um we we set up programs like uhGirls with Grit.
It actually came from a a uh aprogram in Albuquerque PD had,
Women Against Crime.
But there was some kind of a umnot a patent, but um copyright
technical infringement for thename, so we changed it to Girls
(42:13):
with Grit.
Um we started that.
We started a foundation which isfunds all of our volunteer
programs through donations andand activities.
SPEAKER_06 (42:21):
What's the biggest challenge in San Juan County
with that job?
What do you what keeps you up atnight as sheriff when you're
like, we got an issue herebecause whether it be you know
uh how things shake out withtopography or where people end
up or or other neighboringcounties, how is there something
in particular that San JuanCounty like this is our big
challenge, and this is what wehave to get our arms around?
SPEAKER_01 (42:42):
Well, drugs have always been a big issue, but I
think that's gonna diminish overthe next two or three years
because of what's happening onour border.
In the past, we've had openborders and all the things that
go on.
The catch and release thing is abig thing.
Um but overall, uh we're reallyblessed in San Juan County.
We have a great community andthey're very supportive of law
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enforcement in general.
Um now we do have, you know,occasionally we have some bad
cops that that need to be takencare of, but and but that always
happens.
But as far as any big majorproblems, they're not.
Um I think right now the catchand release is the biggest thing
because it's created the amountof shootings that we talked
about.
We've had over 30 shootings, andlet me put that in perspective.
(43:26):
In 2017, when that person diedin that gunfight with law
enforcement, that was the firsttime that the San Juan County
Sheriff's Office in probably 50years had killed anyone.
Okay.
Now we'd shot a few people, butthey survived and and everything
was fine.
Well, as as fine as they can bewhen you get shot.
Sure.
(43:46):
But since then, uh 30 policeshootings.
This is just in 17.
SPEAKER_06 (43:52):
Jeez.
SPEAKER_01 (43:53):
Oh this is this is crazy.
SPEAKER_06 (43:55):
And you put that on the the change in mentality of
people that interact with lawenforcement?
SPEAKER_01 (43:59):
Absolutely.
That's all from catch andrelease and then reducing the
qualified immunity for policeofficers and the the the battle
that our representatives and andother politicians have against
law enforcement, um blaming themfor everything that goes wrong.
Listen, law enforcement thingsgo bad because you're you're
forced to make split decisions,uh, and sometimes they're life
(44:22):
or death.
And that's the way it is.
And you can hope for the best,but you can't have a perfect
outcome every time.
Um I wish it was true because itwould be nice, but it's not.
SPEAKER_04 (44:34):
Do you have any insight into recruitment?
Like, how do you like how do werebuild this?
I mean, you know, mybackground's in PR and
marketing, right?
So I I help brands I for yearsand years and years.
How do you, you know, if theycame out of like a negative
message on their brand, forinstance, which I feel like law
enforcement took some serioushits during defund the police,
(44:54):
right?
Right.
And so you saw officersretiring, you saw officers
saying, peace out, I'm done,recruitment dropping.
Um, the, you know, you talkabout qualified immunity, the ch
the changes there and how thatimpacted.
What do we do to get recruitmentnumbers back up?
Do you have any ideas there?
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
Well, first, qualified immunity.
Um, they have to know thatthey're protected, that their
assets, their family, theirtheir retirement is protected.
Um, that's number one.
But there also has to be anenvironment in these agencies.
And we've you know, I talk toofficers all the time, and they
feel like they're under suchpressure all the time to do
everything perfect.
(45:31):
The amount of cameras andrecordings and things, and uh if
you grab someone by the wristand and you know, tell them,
hey, don't go there or you'reunder arrest, that's a use of
force.
And then they start a whole newpaperwork.
The paperwork has gotten out ofcontrol.
We're just and and they'reafraid to do their jobs.
We got to make it easier forthem to do their jobs.
(45:53):
Take some of the onus off.
We're blaming police officersfor all the crime and and
everything that happens.
Um let them do their job.
You know, here's another deal.
They talk about communitypolicing.
Most people, it's like Keller.
I listened to him when he wasrunning, talked about community
policing.
He's an idiot.
Let the police do their job.
That's number one.
(46:13):
That's community policing.
Solving crime is a is communitypolicing.
It's not a special program.
You don't have to have peoplewalking around doing nothing.
You need more cops on the roadinvestigating crimes.
It doesn't matter what it is,investigate it and solve it.
SPEAKER_06 (46:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, uh, it's it's unrealbecause now I think what you've
seen is to your point, up isdown and down is up.
Right is wrong and wrong isright.
And when that happens, that's athat's biblical.
Like when when you get thatconfusion, Satan loves the
confusion, loves it.
Make it all gray area, make itall, make, make, make the good
(46:48):
guy the bad guy, and the bad guythe good guy.
And and it's tough.
And thank you for what you'redoing.
No, thanks for.
I mean, we're huge fans.
Obviously, we want to see yousucceed.
Uh, you are hugely helpful tous, and I wanted to return that
favor and also let people knowwhat they can do to support you.
SPEAKER_01 (47:06):
Well, um they can contact um uh either myself or
or Hector Rangell um in in theFarmington area.
Yeah.
And and um most people know howto how to get a hold of me or or
Hector.
Um financial support's alwaysgood.
Yeah.
Um races ain't cheap, are they?
No, no, they're not.
But not as not as expensive asyours.
(47:28):
No, no, that's uh good point.
You don't want that.
That's that's the truth.
That's uh that was a little thatwas crazy.
SPEAKER_06 (47:34):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (47:36):
No, I I appreciate it.
Um we're we're gonna be fine.
Uh we've got some great peoplein San Juan County, and and I
got a lot of support, so thankyou.
That's great.
SPEAKER_04 (47:44):
And your primary's in June.
June.
In June.
Okay, so good luck there.
People could you I'm sure youcould use some volunteers
though.
SPEAKER_01 (47:50):
And always use volunteers.
SPEAKER_04 (47:52):
A few dollars if you got it in your pocket, doesn't
hurt to support you as well.
SPEAKER_01 (47:55):
So that's correct.
SPEAKER_04 (47:56):
Well, we appreciate you stopping by today.
SPEAKER_01 (47:57):
And thank you for having me.
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Okay.
We have a special edition.
It's been a while.
SPEAKER_04 (00:06):
It has been a while since we've had a guest.
SPEAKER_06 (00:08):
Yes.
And so it it for us to have aguest, it was like, listen, we
gotta have a guy with somejuice.
SPEAKER_04 (00:14):
Well, it's a nice break from just hearing you
yammering on and on, right?
We'll have somebody else to comeand actually fill some air.
It'll be nice.
SPEAKER_06 (00:21):
Yeah.
Ken, I'm sorry you gotta hearthis.
That's okay.
It's a little na it gets alittle nasty now.
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
I hear it at my house too.
Yeah, I know you can't.
SPEAKER_06 (00:27):
Well, I we'd like to thank your wife.
But this is Ken Christensen, bythe way.
He is the former San Juan CountySheriff for two terms.
He took a break for eight years,retired, uh, kind of drove
around Farmington aimlessly forabout eight years, and then
decided, wait a minute, I'mgetting back in this thing, is
gonna run for sheriff again.
SPEAKER_01 (00:45):
Yeah, no, that's right.
I I need to get back into it.
Uh it it I have too much atstake to let the you know other
people that I don't think can dothe job uh take over.
I want to do it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (00:55):
And uh and you were very successful at it the first
time you did it.
Very successful.
Yeah, no, and we'll talk aboutthat.
And but uh the reason I wantedto have you on, yeah, we're
gonna talk about your race andabout the state of New Mexico
because I I think you know, thestate as a whole, we talk about
it all the time.
We have a major crime problemhere, clearly.
Absolutely.
It is something that infects thewhole state.
(01:16):
It is something that if we cometogether, we can deal with it.
And I think we'll talk to youabout some of those things.
But also, nationwide, theenvironment for law enforcement
right now is incrediblydangerous.
It's horrible, right now.
Yeah.
And I want to talk to you aboutthat as well as as we get into
all this.
But I have to ask you off thetop here.
You you you did retire, and thenyou decide, wait a minute, I'm
(01:38):
gonna get back into this again.
Correct.
What what did you see in thissay intervening eight years?
And and when did you kind of hitthat tipping point where you
said, I can't continue to sit onthe sidelines.
I want to get in the middle ofthis and try to do something
about it again.
SPEAKER_01 (01:53):
I'm glad you asked because in 2017 uh is when the
catch and release just started.
SPEAKER_06 (01:59):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (01:59):
Uh yeah, 2016 it was it was approved by voters.
That's right.
SPEAKER_06 (02:03):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
In 2017, it actually took effect, and so criminals
were back on the street almostimmediately.
Uh one of those cases ended upin Farmington where a man with
multiple convictions and andarrest uh actually was in a
shootout with our officers and astate police officer.
Uh luckily our officers andstate police officer were fine,
but that person died.
(02:24):
Uh, and that was a directresult.
Since that time, I've watchedover 30 police involved
shootings in San Juan Countyalone, yeah, and over 350 in the
state.
Uh and so those types of thingsthat make you say, wait a
minute, we're not protecting.
And then they take away thequalified immunity from these
officers, and that's huge.
There's a shortage of officerseverywhere.
(02:45):
We're not protecting our policeofficers, and we have to do that
first.
Officers have PTSD fromadministrations, uh, and not
only from the job, the thingsthat they see and do, but from
administrations, from all thepolicies mandated by the state
that are absolutely destroyinglaw enforcement in this state.
SPEAKER_06 (03:03):
Yeah, no, I I think you see it all the time.
And and it is it is hard.
And and uh I'll also get tothis, but it is amazing to me
now.
And if you go on Twitter or X orwhatever, heck, Instagram,
TikTok, you see when people getpulled over, they think it's
game on now.
Yeah, right.
There used to be a time when youget pulled over by a police
officer, you're like, yeah, whatdo you need, officer?
(03:24):
Tell me what you need.
Let's do you know, it therespect was there, it should be
there.
And now it's like people don'tthink they have to abide by
anything and and they can fightit out with an officer.
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
No, that's that that's totally uh you're right.
That's crazy.
It's it's gone downhill in ahurry.
Um the police officers areactually acting on on uh they're
not acting on instinct.
And and they need to act oninstinct.
And what happens is they're soworried about violating a policy
or a law that they are afraid todo their job and then they end
up getting uh it hurt or hurtingsomeone else because they've
(03:58):
waited too long to intervene.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (04:00):
And you've seen this, I'm assuming, since the
whole defunding of the policemovement that kind of spread
across the nation here,especially in New Mexico as
well.
You feel like this is stillrippling effects from that?
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
I mean, absolutely.
And not just uh the defund thepolice, but the whole idea and
this cashless bail uh that hastaken over uh this is lunacy.
Um, and and it cost the state anenormous amount of money to try
to keep tabs on these criminals.
SPEAKER_06 (04:26):
Yeah.
And they don't do a very goodjob of it, by the way.
They don't do anything.
Yeah, like talking anklemonitors.
SPEAKER_04 (04:30):
I mean, we've talked about we've had they have, but
explain it, explain just for ourviewers that don't know what
cashless bail and how much thatchanged everything.
Just give a quick recap of whatwe're doing.
SPEAKER_06 (04:37):
What happened was in 2016, it was presented to voters
as uh a change in the in thestate constitution that would
basically do a good job atkeeping violent criminals behind
bars, right?
It was that's how it waspresented.
This is what they do all thetime on these things is they
present them as one thing, butthe intent is something else.
So what ended up happening waswhile they told voters, hey,
(04:58):
we're gonna keep violentcriminals behind bars while not
locking up people who arenonviolent offenders.
That was sort of the basic case.
Right.
The shoplifters.
Like the shoplifters, right?
Which, by the way, if youshoplift enough, you behind you
belong behind bars anyway.
But either either way, uhCharlie Daniels, who was head of
the New Mexico Supreme Court atone time, he sold this thing
like crazy, right?
(05:19):
And then it passes.
So what it essentially does thenis it allows the judges to then
turn people right back out onthe street.
And it was coupled with thingslike the Arnold tool, which was
something that was used in theAlbuquerque area, where it was
this metric, right?
Where they would plug things in.
Absolutely.
And then every time, magically,no matter what these people did,
the metric told them, the Arnoldtool told them release them.
(05:41):
So they'd release them.
And the and the Arnold tool wasactually something that some
financial guy came up with.
It was a disaster, right?
So they're just turning peopleright back out on the street,
right back out on the street.
The recidivum recidivism ratesare incredibly high.
As you know, Sheriff, when wetalk about these sorts of
things, you get this small cadreof people that commit an
inordinate amount of the crime.
(06:02):
Yeah.
Well, we've just turned themback out on the street with
this.
And everybody in the state ofNew Mexico got something that
they did not bargain for.
That's right.
And that is a skyrocket in theviolent crime across the state
of New Mexico.
It is made us now, and this isvery clear, and there's no way
to deny it, it is made us themost violent state in the
country.
That day in 2016 sealed ourfate.
(06:23):
And exactly what you're saying.
Until we do something about it,that fate's gonna stay right on
that same array.
SPEAKER_01 (06:28):
There's so much that goes into that.
The the judges, our SupremeCourt could change that now,
because it's a different makeupon the Supreme Court.
They could change that byoverruling that.
But they won't.
Um and so we have to, you know,we we talked about our
representatives, or ourrepresentatives are outnumbered,
our senators are outnumbered,right?
Um, and nobody wants to goagainst the base.
But here's what we can do (06:48):
we can go to each and every city
and have city town town hallmeetings and get every city
councilman, every commissioner,every municipal league, um the
association of counties, andevery sheriff, ask them
directly, put them on record.
Don't you want to lower thecrime rate?
Let's change this now.
(07:09):
Let's go back to let the bailbondsmen control the criminals
instead of letting them runfree.
SPEAKER_06 (07:13):
Well, and it's one of the things we talked about
when we ran for governors.
That was our number onepriority, which would have been
we would have gone around toevery county in the state and
said, we're not moving a singlepiece of legislation through the
legislature.
I'm not gonna sign a thing untilwe change the cashless bail
system in the state of NewMexico, until we make people
safer, until we hold people toaccount.
(07:34):
And the problem is we have, bythe way, we have Democrats in
the legislature that will dothis.
They will get on board, but youhave a far-left contingent which
seems hellbent on continuingthis process, which is
devastating.
So we can get to more of that injust a little bit.
SPEAKER_04 (07:49):
It still doesn't make any sense to me.
SPEAKER_06 (07:50):
Yeah, it's it's crazy.
It's crazy.
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (07:52):
Okay, well, let's dive into a little bit of the
national stuff that's going onbecause we can't, I mean, it
it's amazing that this stuffjust keeps every day.
There's more and more and morecontent.
We could, I mean, we could havekeep you here all day to talk
about this, but we we just chosea few things.
The biggest one that we've beentalking about in the last couple
of shows is Portland and howPortland is just erupting.
Um, and really the theprotesting and the violent
(08:14):
behavior is aimed directly atICE and federal officials that
are trying to do their job.
And so uh, you know, we we talkabout how the leaders in that
state keep saying there'snothing to see here.
There's nothing to see.
SPEAKER_06 (08:30):
Because as a sheriff of a county, right, you and the
governor don't always see eye toeye, for example, right?
Absolutely.
Right.
And and that that can definitelyhappen.
And and so in this particularcase, I think I want to touch on
first, I want you to listen tothe head of ICE in Portland who
is who talks about the mayor ofPortland and what the Portland
(08:52):
City Council has done.
And there's no one better totalk about this than you.
And that is the fact that whenyou have leaders who don't want
to do their job, they create apermission structure for chaos.
And that's exactly what'shappening.
So this is a story from BillMelugin, and here is the head of
ICE in Portland talking aboutwhat the leaders in Portland are
(09:15):
doing.
SPEAKER_05 (09:17):
ICE's Portland director, Kamala Wamsley, told
me she's extremely frustratedwith Portland police.
She says the Portland mayor andcity council largely block
police from responding to anyviolence at ICE's building.
Take a listen.
SPEAKER_03 (09:34):
Um, there have been folks that have been assaulted
right down here on the street,even across the street, and it
it takes Portland police a whileto respond, or sometimes they
don't respond at all.
SPEAKER_05 (09:47):
Is that frustrating?
SPEAKER_03 (09:48):
It is frustrating.
It's frustrating for us to watchpeople be attacked on the street
and know that we don't have theauthority to be able to really
step in unless there's somenexus to federal law.
That's frustrating for us.
SPEAKER_06 (10:03):
Okay.
I appreciate the dreamy BillMeludin.
SPEAKER_04 (10:06):
Yeah, well, he's very he's very attractive.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, no, no, no, it's okay.
I understand.
Anytime we can put a clip inwith Bill, we do it.
unknown (10:12):
We do it.
SPEAKER_06 (10:12):
Well, somebody does it.
Uh so just let's touch on thatfor a second.
And then I want to give you anexample of of what this
dereliction of duty from themayor ends up resulting in.
Okay.
But when you hear this sort ofthing as law enforcement, it can
you imagine, for example, if ifyou were told, now now sheriffs
are different because sheriffshave much more autonomy.
(10:33):
You are an elected official.
This is a different deal.
You are the most importantelected official, I would argue,
in San Juan County.
Okay.
That's right.
You know, and you have moreautonomy, right?
That than like, say, the policechief of Farmington does, right?
SPEAKER_01 (10:46):
That's right.
Because the police chiefs workedfor the council and the mayor.
Yep.
And the city manager.
Yep.
The the sheriff of any county inNew Mexico works for the people
of that county, period.
SPEAKER_06 (10:55):
Yeah.
But but still, but you stillhave a good perspective on this
in the respect that when you seeleaders do this sort of thing,
what does it do?
What do you think the morale islike for cops in Portland?
SPEAKER_01 (11:05):
Well, most of the cops are are embarrassed.
Yeah.
Uh it should, it's a shameful.
Um this is the kind of thingthat fostered Antifa to begin
with.
Antifa's been there and and thisis their hotbed, and they've
done nothing to do anything todeter them.
They've allowed them to do this.
The police are told not to takeuh not to arrest them.
(11:27):
And and the ones they do arrestare let out almost immediately,
and there's no prosecution.
Uh so this is this is astatewide deal.
Uh, it needs to come down hard.
I I believe that Trump's doingthe right thing.
Send federal troops in, protectthe uh men and women of ICE and
Homeland Security and and BorderPatrol and their in their
duties, let them round up theseillegal criminals.
(11:48):
Um, and and the police ought tobe in there helping.
It would be so much easier.
They wouldn't have to go to uhto other places and and make
these raids if they could justget them out of the jail.
Yeah.
But these sanctuary states andcities have absolutely destroyed
that.
SPEAKER_06 (12:02):
Yep.
And that's uh Albuquerque is oneof those.
SPEAKER_04 (12:04):
Yeah, I mean, and I I mean, I'm sure we're all
sitting here dumbfounded bythis, but do you have any
insight on why do you thinkleaders like mayors say, uh,
don't, you know, tell the cops,do not respond to this.
If they, you know, do not go andhelp these people, do not help
any ICE officers.
Why why do you think I mean itseems so backwards to me?
SPEAKER_01 (12:24):
Well, I'll tell you right now, they're scared of
Antifa.
They're spineless people, theyshouldn't be in office.
They're absolutely afraid ofAntifa and the far left.
Those people are the ones thatare driving this.
They don't want to oppose them.
Um, they want to let them runfree.
Yeah, and it's it's absolutelysad.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (12:43):
Um, but they shouldn't be there to begin
with.
Okay, so let's talk about this.
Let's let's go to fight night.
Okay, it's fight night inPortland, and we're gonna show
you this video.
This is what happens when thepolice don't step in.
So, and we have evidence of allthis, which we'll show you.
So, this is a confrontationbetween an Antifa member,
allegedly, who is uh the guywho's bald in this particular
deal, and a guy he's fighting.
(13:04):
So the the police in Portlandare literally watching off to
the side, and we're going to putthis uh video in motion here.
And Elsie can bring the sound uhslightly up, but not much, if
you don't mind.
So look at this.
So these guys are, you know,this guy, uh the guy with the
freedom shirt, it had enough ofAntifa.
The Antifa guy was going afterhim, you know, challenging him,
challenging him.
So again, nobody's stepping inhere.
(13:25):
Cops step in here and stop this,fine, but you don't see him do
it.
And then eventually what happenshere is freedom uh lands a shot
to the jaw of Antifa.
There we go, and he's down.
Okay.
And I do believe they ended upin another fight after this, and
the Antifa guy was laid out.
Okay.
So then take a look at this.
Here is a picture from that veryfight.
(13:47):
As you look off into the back ofthe picture here, and within the
red circle, those are thePortland police.
Okay.
And after another, anothertussle, that that's the Antifa
guy laid out on the ground.
Now, look, I couldn't, you know,disagree more with Antifa, but I
don't want to see one of theseguys on the ground, and he could
have been serious, he was notseriously hurt, apparently.
SPEAKER_04 (14:10):
Well, look at the next video.
I think the the issue here isjust that it just says, hey,
this is okay.
You can do this on our streets.
You know, that's kind of thememo that they're putting out
there.
You've got ICE officers nowtrying to clean up this mess
while Portland police stay, youknow, or have been told to stay
back.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (14:27):
And so he's yeah, he's laid out.
So I think there was anotherfight after that one.
Okay, which is not, I mean,again, uh, we couldn't disagree
more with the Antifa, but Idon't nobody wants to see this
kind of violence.
SPEAKER_01 (14:38):
And it should never have been allowed to get that
far.
Yeah.
They should have stepped inimmediately.
There's no reason for the Antifaand all these protesters to be
right there at the gates andharassing these people.
They should block it off.
SPEAKER_06 (14:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:49):
Uh, and anybody who makes a small violation should
be arrested.
SPEAKER_06 (14:52):
Yep.
Period.
Well, and that isn't that isn'tICE's job, by the way.
No, no.
But you just saw, you know, yousaw the the the head of ICE in
in Portland say, hey, we have tobe a nexus here.
Well, if if Portland policewon't do their job, well, ICE
can't sit there and watch someguy get laid out on the on the
pavement where he could have abrain bleed.
So they ended up having to takehim off to get treatment.
(15:14):
And so you're seeing them justuh absolutely not stand up to
their to their job here.
And so here's another piece ofvideo, right?
We so you you've got a situationwhere what you start to run into
here is you see people thateffectively start thinking they
can do whatever they want.
And then they find out, oops,no, I can't.
(15:35):
So check this out.
We'll just run this video foryou.
And you got a girl mouthing offtwo ICE officers right in front
of the building here.
She's challenging them.
And then they told her, hey,back off, get away.
Again, this gets back to ourpoint, not listening, and then
bang, she takes a pepper sprayright to the face.
Okay, and by the way, as thisvideo keeps going, else you can
(15:57):
bring up the sound just a littlebit.
Uh, you'll hear she uh reacts uhunfavorably to what happened,
right?
But but again, if this stuff,you know, is allowed to
continue, the result is peopleget hurt.
Absolutely.
And so the cowardly nature ofthe mayor, I just it doesn't
make you see her screaming.
I can imagine.
I bet pepper spray right in themug hurts.
(16:19):
It does burn.
You can officially vouch forthat.
Oh, yeah.
Happened to me too.
Yeah, so so where you know,where do you where do you see
things going here in this typeof conflict?
SPEAKER_01 (16:32):
Well, it it's gonna continue to get worse as long as
we have cowards running thecities and states.
And and that goes for the policechiefs, too.
Shame on him.
Resign, walk away.
If you can't do your job, walkaway.
Do not put these men and womenthat took an oath to do their
jobs, uh, do not put them in ain a position where they have to
watch this kind of nonsensehappen.
SPEAKER_04 (16:52):
Yeah, it's it's just it, it just I feel like it
you're not safe.
Like that's the whole thing.
I was talking to a friend ofmine, she lives up in Minnesota
actually, and she just wastalking about how she's just
trying to go to the grocerystore.
And now she had to stay in thegrocery store because there's
just fights going on outside,like grown people on heavily on
drugs.
And she's like, What happens?
Like, this is my neighborhoodgrocery store.
(17:12):
And now that we we're waiting tosee do cops show up?
Are they gonna do anything oncethey get there?
It creates a community of chaosand it makes you nervous as just
an everyday citizen.
Where can I go?
It makes us nervous to send ourkids out, you know, and not to
be fear-mongering, but justthere's a reality check that if
you don't manage small things,small criminal behavior, it
(17:33):
escalates.
SPEAKER_01 (17:34):
And we said that perfectly.
If if you don't take care ofeveryone small, and here's the
deal you build cases on people,these are repeat offenders that
keep doing this over and overagain.
Um if we would have beenarresting them from the
beginning, Antifa wouldn't bethere.
Um because they would have a rapsheet and getting more severe
punishment each time theyre-offended.
(17:54):
Uh and and repeat offenders arethat's a problem in New Mexico.
We're flooded with repeatoffenders.
And until we start putting themin prison in in our jails, it's
gonna continue to to blossom.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (18:07):
So I want to ask you about the mentality of um sort
of people, I guess you'd saythat that and I wonder if you
can see this.
And it is a lot of these peoplethink they're tough guys until
something goes down, untilthey're dealt with.
And and this is sort of abehavior correction, I wonder
about.
Because I especially in thingslike this, and I'm not talking
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about necessarily hardcore, youknow, criminals and and people
that have, you know, gangmembers or whatever that is.
This this to me is a littledifferent.
To me, Antifa can be a littledifferent because it's such a
broad umbrella.
And sometimes it includes peoplethat that that think they're one
thing, and then once they get inthe middle of a conflict, they
turn into something else.
SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
Oh, absolutely.
And most of them do.
Yeah.
Because when when it gets real,a lot of those people uh uh
decide they didn't really wantto play this game, but it's too
late at that point.
Okay, so let's let's take avideo of that.
Your guy is back.
SPEAKER_04 (19:03):
Yeah, Bill's back with this guy.
Uh, this is an interesting onewhere uh, you know, he comes off
as one thing, has this, youknow, great move.
Hold on, one second.
And then um he's changing histune.
Yeah, yeah, when he uh shows upat the police station.
SPEAKER_06 (19:15):
Yeah, we'll listen to this.
SPEAKER_05 (19:16):
We did see agents make this target uh this
targeted arrest of a protesterlast night.
They said they had to be out onthe lookout for after the feds
say he was involved with uhdumping red paint on the federal
property on Tuesday night.
Take a look at this picturehere.
Federal agents showed us thisphoto of that same protest from
Tuesday, which they say is thesame guy covered in red paint
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and flipping up double middlefingers at the agents on the
roof.
Then this was him last night inthe intake area, though.
We witnessed him visibly shakingand appearing terrified as we
watched federal agents processhim after his arrest.
He was pleading with agentssaying he is just a social media
influencer.
So, okay, so hold on.
SPEAKER_01 (19:55):
What is going on here?
Might as well just ask formommy, too.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (20:00):
Yeah, do you know do you notice like and is that
something that's important inlaw enforcement when you're
dealing with some of thesethings, knowing the kind of
person you're dealing with?
SPEAKER_01 (20:08):
Well, you know, you never know who you're dealing
with, and that's the thing.
But a lot of times people wantto step up and and say something
or do something, they thinkthey're gonna get away with it
and be in a um some kind of acharacter.
But when it gets real, when it'stime to put the handcuffs on and
get taken to the ground, uh theychange their tune rather
quickly.
And I've had many of people cryall the way to jail um and
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begging me to release them.
Yeah.
And and but that point's toolate.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (20:34):
And they haven't thought about the consequences,
really.
You know?
SPEAKER_06 (20:37):
No, no question.
No doubt.
Okay.
So one other thing on thisPortland thing before we get to
some other stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (20:42):
Okay.
SPEAKER_06 (20:42):
Um I last night and the night before, finally you
started to see something change.
And and maybe it's because I Ithink uh the country a bit has
changed.
And so when you see this stuffin Portland go on night after
night, a couple of years ago,had you seen this, the response
would have been, wow, that'scrazy what's going on in
Portland.
SPEAKER_04 (21:01):
But now the response is No, I think you would have
seen the crowds get bigger,bonfire start, uh, building K on
fire.
I mean, honestly, I think itwould have escalated even worse.
SPEAKER_06 (21:09):
But another peaceful peaceful protest.
Another peaceful protest.
Yes.
But now you're starting to see apushback that I think you
haven't necessarily always seenbefore.
And people are feeling feelingmore emboldened to say, wait a
minute, we want our countryback.
And so listen to what happenedlast night and what the crowd
started doing outside the icefacility.
unknown (21:28):
You want to say it.
You want to say it.
You want to say it.
SPEAKER_06 (21:33):
So they're just chanting USA and it to the ICE,
you know, officials there, andthey drown out what was going on
with Antifa folks.
What does that tell you?
SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
Well, I think we're we're turning things around, and
it's because of our leadershipin Washington.
That's Trump.
SPEAKER_06 (21:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:49):
Um, and and Charlie Kirk, um, people like this that
have that have stood up in theface of all this nonsense and
and said these things that wehave to stop.
Uh we have to get our ourcountry back, our state back,
our cities and counties back.
Um we can't do this.
We're we shouldn't be afraid ofthe cancel culture and the woke
BS that happens all the time.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (22:11):
Well, I want to ask you about another guy who uh I I
found this soundbite as it cameacross and I I couldn't believe
it.
SPEAKER_04 (22:19):
Oh, I can.
I mean, number one, it's fromSeattle, and he's the mayor of
Seattle.
So I don't know how this shocksyou.
But uh I I mean, honestly, Iwould love to see I mean, I'm
not I shouldn't say that Kellerwould be similar, but you have
to have this kind of mentalityif you support Sanctuary City
and you exp and you say catchand release is no big deal.
If you are of that mindset, Ithink you're very familiar you
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have to be in line with this thesame this mayor that this guy's
talking about.
SPEAKER_06 (22:44):
I mean, so the mayor is Bruce Harrell, and and we
it's good, it's a relativelyquick soundbite, but he talks
about uh law enforcement and theway to maybe get to a safer
point in your city.
And I I would term this uh Ithink as a variety of people
have suicidal empathy.
SPEAKER_08 (23:02):
Listen to this.
Let me lead with that.
So when this person iscommitting six or seven crimes,
I don't know his or her story.
I don't know, maybe they wereabused as a child, maybe they're
hungry.
So my my remedy is to find theirlife story to see how we could
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help first.
I have no desire to put them injail.
But I need to protect you, andthat's the calibration that we
have.
SPEAKER_01 (23:32):
He's an idiot.
Unbelievable.
An idiot.
Um you want to find out how theywere raised and if they were
hungry or not?
I'm sorry.
I listened to this last nightand I I was shocked.
Um this is a mayor of Seattle.
Yeah um it's unbelievable.
So what do you think?
SPEAKER_04 (23:49):
He's not a therapist, by the way.
I mean, last time I checked, themayor shouldn't be there like,
and let me just sit down andlisten to the this kid's woes.
Like, and I I I would beoffended if I'm a member of the
black and brown communities,which is he is what he's talking
about.
The black and brown communitieswant to be safe too.
They want safe neighborhoods,they want safe streets, they
want to go to the grocery storewithout risk of getting
carjacked or robbed or anythingelse that's been happening on
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nationally.
So I just think it's it's again,it's playing down to this, like,
I don't know, this idealism thatthese poor, poor people, that's
why they're committing thesecrimes.
No, these poor, poor people keepcommitting crimes because of
what we just talked about, thatthere's been no real consequence
for them up to this date.
And just like parenting, you canfeel sorry for your kid, but if
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you uh spare the rod or spareany sort of consequence when
they misbehave, all they'regoing to do is can come just
keep committing those things.
Absolutely and keep misbehavingand seeing how far they can push
a boundary.
That's even parenting 101.
SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
So and I hope that our country turns around, you
know, enough that we get rid ofpeople like this.
That's insane.
He's not the one on the frontline.
He's not the one out there, he'snot a victim uh of one of these
crimes.
I don't matter what the crimeis, I I can care less uh how he
was raised or if he was hungryor not when he when he committed
a murder or robbery or rape or aburglary and broke into your
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home.
Why why would we care that?
We can talk about that later asa senating.
Um his attorney's gonna bring itup.
Why don't we just get therefirst?
Yeah.
Uh and let the judge decide.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (25:17):
It reminds me of that legisl legislator that was
talking about how we need to letthe drug, uh, the drug, the
people selling drugs carry theirguns and that we shouldn't
really come back on them becauseselling drugs is a really
dangerous job.
It's a dangerous thing.
Do you remember she said that inour state legislature?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (25:31):
It is a dangerous job.
SPEAKER_04 (25:32):
Yeah, it turns out selling drugs, pretty dangerous.
So yeah.
But like it's that it's thatcommitment to the criminal
versus keeping people safe.
And I just don't, I have zeroability to understand that.
SPEAKER_06 (25:42):
Well, and I do think it's eating itself in a way,
right?
And so those philosophies thatthat have taken hold in places
like San Francisco and Seattleand Portland have eroded the
quality of life in those citiesto such a degree that it is
impossible to make the case thatit works.
It's impossible to be able tosay we're making progress
because you're not.
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Albuquerque is another greatexample.
I mean, this is a city now thatwhere crime has raged out of
control for so long that thatyou can't possibly make the case
that they have a feel for it orthat they're solving anything.
And so we'll see what happenswith this.
But I do think what you saw inthe 2024 election, and I think
it's interesting going forward,as we look at all the numbers,
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2026 may be sort of a stalematetype of year.
And what I mean by that is thatbecause of it being a Trump
midterm, naturally that usuallypushes the country in the other
direction.
It's just the way it alwaysworks.
However, that comes up againstthe fact of policies like we saw
from Bruce Harrell.
And too many on the left aresaying, yeah, we we believe in
those policies.
And so therefore, more and morepeople are going, this doesn't
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work.
And Democrats have been sheddingvoters because of it.
And they have no plan behind itto be able to say, okay, you're
right, that didn't work.
We're recalibrating.
They're not doing any of that.
So I do think it could be alittle bit of a stalemate in 26
because of those twocontravening, you know, pieces
of information.
And then 28 will be verydifficult for Democrats if they
don't find a message to be ableto say, we're going to keep you
(27:07):
safe.
If they won't keep you safe,what do they have?
SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
Well, and and I think it's starting to, I think
it's going to go a little bitfurther to the left before it
gets back to the right.
Yeah.
Look what's happening in NewYork.
Um, you've got a socialist,communist, whatever, a Marxist,
whatever you want to call him.
He's uh leading the race and forthe mayor's race.
SPEAKER_06 (27:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
Yep.
Yeah.
And and this is uh it's kind ofscary, but uh sometimes it's
look it's good to let them havetheir way for a little while and
so everybody can see what itreally is.
SPEAKER_04 (27:35):
What what do you think?
Like when you hear Keller here,the mayor of Albuquerque saying
getting up and making thesestatements that crime is down
and you know our homelessness isreally we're really, you know,
solving those issues.
You're not a fool to any ofthis, right?
So what do you think when yousee leadership getting up there
and basically trying to pull thewool over people's eyes, which I
(27:55):
think that ship has sailed, butit's still people will buy into
what he's saying.
SPEAKER_01 (27:58):
Well, I I I think it's time for someone to stand
up, call him out for what it is.
We we need a good candidate todo that.
I'm not sure that we have one inthis this race, um, but it needs
to happen because it's nonsense.
Crime's not going down, it'sgoing up.
Um and and our governor's nothelping.
Um they've sent uh for differentthings, the National Guard into
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Espanola and Albuquerque fordifferent events and things.
SPEAKER_06 (28:22):
Um to to do the type of clerical work that is
completely unhelpful.
SPEAKER_01 (28:28):
And and you know, and there's so many things we
can do to help law enforcement.
It's not just a number of cops,it's the support services that
help them.
Um crime scene techs and all thetechnology that goes with that.
Um we need a lot, a lot more oftechnology, but goodness
gracious, killer's a fool andand he's just a liar.
SPEAKER_06 (28:48):
Yeah.
No, it's it's been brutal.
It's been brutal.
All right, I want to turn ourfocus to the legislature, New
Mexico State Legislature.
Oh boy.
And and some of the rhetoric.
You mentioned the Charlie Kirkshooting.
Uh, you know, the rhetoric hasbeen over the top in this state
from the far left.
It's it it really has beenbrutal.
And Eleanor Chavez is a uh she'sa representative from
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Albuquerque.
Okay, and I want you to listento her comments here and what
she said about ICE and the kindof overheated rhetoric that she
brought to the table about 10days ago.
SPEAKER_00 (29:23):
And I'm gonna call it what it is.
It's fascism, and ICE is actinglike the KKK.
And we've got to stop our localpolice, our state police, we've
got to stop those employees whoare collaborating with us.
We've got to stop them, andwe've got to make our laws
(29:44):
stronger so that we pretendourselves because when they're
done coming after our immigrantcommunity, they're gonna start
picking everybody else off aswell, and we need to understand
that.
So the time to stand up is now.
It's not.
Time to stand down.
Thank you, Mr.
Chair.
SPEAKER_06 (30:02):
Okay.
That that is those are the wordsof a complete ignorant fool who
has no business representinganybody with life.
I mean, it really is when youhear that, it it's incredibly
inflammatory, and and it iscatnip for people who are on the
edge of their own personal Ithink sanity.
(30:24):
In other words, I was gonna saymental illness.
Yeah.
And that gives them the the theabsolute push to be able to say,
take up arms.
Yep.
Take up arms because they'regonna quote pick us off.
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
Yep.
Well I'm sorry, what does thatlanguage mean?
Well, you know, it and when shesays that, once they get the
illegals, the criminals out,then they're coming after us.
Well, that would only mean thatshe's a criminal.
Um because we we don't arrestanybody that's not a criminal.
Uh I mean, or at least suspectedof being a criminal, alleged.
And and then there's dueprocess.
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So she just bouncing this uh,I'm gonna say it's crap.
Yeah.
Um, and she says that, andhopefully she gets some support
from Albuquerque, but uh mostpeople are seeing the the truth.
It's it's not happening.
SPEAKER_06 (31:10):
Well, but it is so irresponsible to do that, and
that's the problem we have rightnow, is we have a, and I don't
think people always grasp it.
I think you get a lot of peoplein this state who vote for their
own legislator, whoever that is,and and they don't realize we
have a collection of extremistsin the New Mexico legislature,
which really put people at risk.
And and and it is devastating.
Now, they're not all that way,they're not.
(31:32):
You definitely have some thatthere are plenty that that are
that that are much moreresponsible than this.
But this is crazy that she wouldsay this.
We ran this on one of our priorshows.
And then following up with this,which is somebody you know, and
that is the the head of thepolice department in farming.
SPEAKER_04 (31:48):
I mean, before you get to that clip, I just want to
add here that meaning again, sheit's been less than a year since
somebody firebombed theRepublican headquarters and
wrote ICE equals KKK, spraypainted that all over with the
firebomb.
So to be able to go after thatwith what she's saying here just
seems incredibly irresponsible.
I mean, I teach a publicspeaking class to high schoolers
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and say, don't use fearmongering, like don't be a
fearmonger, which is what she'sdoing.
And then she's manipulating theargument there by trying to
compare these two things.
I think what's interesting, andI know we're gonna dive into
more of this on uh a later show,but uh it bothers me that this
then the state legislator getstogether um in their special
session and they talk about howwe're not going to condone
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political violence, right?
How flat that falls when youhave Eleanor Chavez saying these
same these words just last week,right?
That it's just like they'retalking out of both sides of
their mouth.
And that really bothers me aswell.
I don't see any sort of we standtogether against political
violence.
Give me a break.
(32:54):
I think it falls flat.
I think that if you're gonna saythat, then act that way all the
way through in everything thatyou say.
So anyway, sorry, now we can goto the Farmington police.
SPEAKER_06 (33:02):
No, no, no, no, it's it's a really good point.
And that's exactly what they'vedone, though.
You're right.
I mean, in the and this is onething we've talked about as
well.
The extremist language, theextremism, is now being adopted
by the rank and filelegislators.
SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
Well, I mean, and it's crazy.
And all there's a whole bunch ofelected leaders throughout the
country doing the same thing,the exact same thing.
Uh Governor of Illinois.
Yeah.
Uh just it goes on and on,calling them jack booted thugs.
Yeah.
Um, and and it's just Nazis andand uh Trump Hitler.
I mean, we gotta stop this.
SPEAKER_06 (33:35):
Yeah.
Um and so then when somebody youknow again, Chief Heavy, is it,
uh the Farmington PoliceDepartment, he's he's head of
the police chiefs of New Mexico.
Um, and and he heard thesecomments, and and we played
these before too, but I wantedto get your reaction to what he
said.
So here's what he said last weekas well.
SPEAKER_07 (33:53):
In summary, I'm calling on Representative Chavez
to apologize to the policeofficers across this state who
daily are committed to keepingus safe and who are not
collaborationists with the KuKlux Klan in any way.
I also call on RepresentativeChavez if she has video proof,
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then she should contact theAnthony Police Department and
provide that so that they can doa proper investigation and find
out what happened.
But I know of no agency in NewMexico that actively goes out of
its way to enforce immigrationlaws.
We understand that is thefederal government's
responsibility.
If Representative Chavez oranyone else has video evidence
(34:37):
of what occurred in Anthony, Iask them to contact the chief
down there and provide that.
But I don't believe it exists.
And I want to remind everyone,especially our elected leaders,
that as leaders words haveconsequences.
SPEAKER_01 (34:54):
So what do you make of what he said?
Well, first of all, I like thathe stood up.
Um when we see very littlechiefs and sheriffs standing up,
I I appreciate him standing up.
But there there's always a butif, you know.
But why aren't we standing upall the time?
What about the city council thatthat hired him?
How about the the mayor?
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Where are they?
Why aren't they sayingsomething?
How come our uh representativesand senators aren't saying
something and and and demandingan apology?
Um this has got to stop.
We gotta quit being quiet andsitting on our haunches and and
waiting for somebody else to dosomething.
I appreciate that, but um dolet's do something about it.
(35:35):
Uh let's let's just quit talkingabout it and and quit condemning
it and let's go after them.
Um let's let's change the lawsand and and get rid of those
people that talk that way.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (35:47):
Vote them out.
I mean, I keep saying I couldn'tsay it more on this show as
being paying attention to whatyour state legislat, what your
rep that you have the power tovote in and out.
What do they stand for?
Are they these trial attorneysfor one?
Check that box.
Right.
Um, and then what have they saidin meetings and in these
committee meetings?
Do they represent what you feeland what you think?
And I just think people need topay more attention.
(36:09):
I know it's tough.
People have a lot of things todo and they think, oh, this
person's upstanding.
I do think that they've gottensome hitback from the Republican
senators who I've seen kind ofgo after um Eleanor on this
particular uh statement that shemade.
We do have some that are tryingvery, very hard to be voted on.
SPEAKER_06 (36:26):
Yeah, they just don't have a they don't have a
megaphone to do it.
I mean, realistically, uh themedia in this state's never
gonna give them uh their fairshake.
They're they're never gonna givethem a voice to be able to say,
wait a minute.
I mean, every news station inthe state should have been all
over this story.
It's like, what are you doing?
How are you?
I mean, but there's noaccountability on that side.
(36:47):
And if you don't have a mediastructure who forces
accountability, then thebehavior of the edge of the
party or the edge of anypolitical movement just goes off
the rails.
SPEAKER_01 (36:57):
Well, I'll take it a step further from what Hebbe
said.
Why isn't those policedepartments helping ICE?
Right.
Why aren't they helping?
SPEAKER_06 (37:04):
Well, no, and I agree with so that's one thing
I'd uh I want to ask you becausehe he did, he took this sort of
dovish approach, which was,well, we we don't ever help.
Why not?
If they need your help, juststep in and and and provide help
to keep people safe.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
You know, and it going back to 2015 when I was in
office, um, and and I don't knowwhy I was selected, but I was
one of three thousand and eightyor three thousand and eight, I
can't remember how many sheriffsin the country that received the
partnership award from ICE andHomeland Security uh
investigations.
Um I was very proud of thatbecause I helped them all the
(37:40):
time.
I gave them office space.
Um when they needed backup, wesent it.
Um if they needed something ininvestigation, we helped.
That's what we have to do.
All police departments andsheriff's offices in the state
need to be helping them.
Let's get these illegalcriminals out of our country,
period.
SPEAKER_06 (37:57):
Yeah.
And and I want to just touch onone other story, and that is
that not only does Albuquerqueand especially the leaders in
Albuquerque not want to help,but they literally have a phone
line dedicated to people callingin and being able to be alerted
if ICE is at work in their area.
And and there have been a bunchof stories on this.
(38:18):
But so what is it, what doesthis mean?
You know, as a law enforcementofficial, what what does this
tell you and what kind of riskdoes this put your people at if
this is the policy that's beingenacted in the city of
Albuquerque?
SPEAKER_01 (38:33):
Listen, I'll just tell you right now that it puts
every if you go out and you'rehelping or you're working with
ICE for just for the ICEofficers alone, for them to know
you're coming is a bad day.
unknown (38:46):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (38:47):
Because they could set up an ambush.
There's police officers that getambushed every single day.
We read about it and we see iton the news, dead officers
everywhere.
Um, and we can't have that.
Um, they need to be investigatedand stopped.
Um I don't care if it's federalcharges or state charges.
If we had an attorney generalfor the state that had any
huevos, then he would do it.
SPEAKER_06 (39:09):
And you you do see it, because and we've seen the
the ice ambushes.
I mean, we saw one last week.
SPEAKER_01 (39:14):
Yeah, you know Dallas, right in their their own
office.
SPEAKER_06 (39:18):
Yeah, and it what does it kill?
It kills two what two migrantswho were who were in a who were
in a van and wounded a third.
Yeah.
I mean, it it's craziness.
SPEAKER_04 (39:26):
I just think it's um it's unbelievable that you have
police.
I mean, this is the police ofAlbuquerque.
I'm sure they're beinginstructed by the mayor and
being instructed by their policechief to do this, to set up this
hotline, you know, where you cancall and find out where ice, if
ice are coming into yourneighborhood.
It just seems like it goesagainst everything that law
enforcement is a should bestanding on.
And I think that's what's soconfusing to me is how, again,
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we do this.
I mean, KUNM does this littlestory on this, but are the rest
of the media coming to the toMayor Keller and saying, why in
the world would you put officersat risk?
Whether they're federal officersor our own officers, why would
you be putting them at risk bygiving a tip sheet and letting
people call in?
SPEAKER_01 (40:05):
Because they don't view them as the good guys.
No, that's that's right.
That's it.
If I was the chief inAlbuquerque, I wouldn't uh ever
answer one of those calls.
I would make sure that phoneline was dead.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (40:16):
Yeah.
I just, it's unbelievable.
Fire me.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (40:18):
Right, right.
Well, all right.
So let's wrap with uh, you know,your your race and and what
you're hoping to do.
You got four opponents.
And now, by the way, at leastSan Juan County.
Perhaps one one of my it is agreat county in the state of New
Mexico.
It really is.
It's the it's this little thislittle ruby red county in
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northwestern New Mexico.
It's one of the big prizes.
If you're a Republican in thestate of New Mexico, it's a
county you you've got to havegreat turnout in.
And the people in San JuanCounty are are great.
But as these things go, uh, andit was one thing we've talked
about a lot on this show, thatwhen you run in a primary,
that's the that's the worst ofit, by the way.
(41:01):
Forget the general.
The general election is alwaysmore fun because you are taking
on somebody that has a verydifferent value set than you do.
It's very easy to draw the thebright lines and the
differences.
But when you're in the middle ofa primary, it's a little
tougher.
So, how do you look at thisprimary?
And what do you do to make surepeople know look, trust me, it's
(41:25):
time for a steady hand again totake over.
SPEAKER_01 (41:27):
Well, and glad you said trust me, because um what
my motto is trust your future toa proven past.
Uh listen, I was very successfuluh in my eight years as sheriff.
We we made a lot of changes, wereduced crime, we we targeted
repeat offenders, we did thosethings that we talked about, and
it was successful.
Imagine that that things youknow change.
(41:49):
Um it was it was really nice.
DWIs were way down.
Um we we set up programs like uhGirls with Grit.
It actually came from a a uh aprogram in Albuquerque PD had,
Women Against Crime.
But there was some kind of a umnot a patent, but um copyright
technical infringement for thename, so we changed it to Girls
(42:13):
with Grit.
Um we started that.
We started a foundation which isfunds all of our volunteer
programs through donations andand activities.
SPEAKER_06 (42:21):
What's the biggest challenge in San Juan County
with that job?
What do you what keeps you up atnight as sheriff when you're
like, we got an issue herebecause whether it be you know
uh how things shake out withtopography or where people end
up or or other neighboringcounties, how is there something
in particular that San JuanCounty like this is our big
challenge, and this is what wehave to get our arms around?
SPEAKER_01 (42:42):
Well, drugs have always been a big issue, but I
think that's gonna diminish overthe next two or three years
because of what's happening onour border.
In the past, we've had openborders and all the things that
go on.
The catch and release thing is abig thing.
Um but overall, uh we're reallyblessed in San Juan County.
We have a great community andthey're very supportive of law
(43:03):
enforcement in general.
Um now we do have, you know,occasionally we have some bad
cops that that need to be takencare of, but and but that always
happens.
But as far as any big majorproblems, they're not.
Um I think right now the catchand release is the biggest thing
because it's created the amountof shootings that we talked
about.
We've had over 30 shootings, andlet me put that in perspective.
(43:26):
In 2017, when that person diedin that gunfight with law
enforcement, that was the firsttime that the San Juan County
Sheriff's Office in probably 50years had killed anyone.
Okay.
Now we'd shot a few people, butthey survived and and everything
was fine.
Well, as as fine as they can bewhen you get shot.
Sure.
(43:46):
But since then, uh 30 policeshootings.
This is just in 17.
SPEAKER_06 (43:52):
Jeez.
SPEAKER_01 (43:53):
Oh this is this is crazy.
SPEAKER_06 (43:55):
And you put that on the the change in mentality of
people that interact with lawenforcement?
SPEAKER_01 (43:59):
Absolutely.
That's all from catch andrelease and then reducing the
qualified immunity for policeofficers and the the the battle
that our representatives and andother politicians have against
law enforcement, um blaming themfor everything that goes wrong.
Listen, law enforcement thingsgo bad because you're you're
forced to make split decisions,uh, and sometimes they're life
(44:22):
or death.
And that's the way it is.
And you can hope for the best,but you can't have a perfect
outcome every time.
Um I wish it was true because itwould be nice, but it's not.
SPEAKER_04 (44:34):
Do you have any insight into recruitment?
Like, how do you like how do werebuild this?
I mean, you know, mybackground's in PR and
marketing, right?
So I I help brands I for yearsand years and years.
How do you, you know, if theycame out of like a negative
message on their brand, forinstance, which I feel like law
enforcement took some serioushits during defund the police,
(44:54):
right?
Right.
And so you saw officersretiring, you saw officers
saying, peace out, I'm done,recruitment dropping.
Um, the, you know, you talkabout qualified immunity, the ch
the changes there and how thatimpacted.
What do we do to get recruitmentnumbers back up?
Do you have any ideas there?
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
Well, first, qualified immunity.
Um, they have to know thatthey're protected, that their
assets, their family, theirtheir retirement is protected.
Um, that's number one.
But there also has to be anenvironment in these agencies.
And we've you know, I talk toofficers all the time, and they
feel like they're under suchpressure all the time to do
everything perfect.
(45:31):
The amount of cameras andrecordings and things, and uh if
you grab someone by the wristand and you know, tell them,
hey, don't go there or you'reunder arrest, that's a use of
force.
And then they start a whole newpaperwork.
The paperwork has gotten out ofcontrol.
We're just and and they'reafraid to do their jobs.
We got to make it easier forthem to do their jobs.
(45:53):
Take some of the onus off.
We're blaming police officersfor all the crime and and
everything that happens.
Um let them do their job.
You know, here's another deal.
They talk about communitypolicing.
Most people, it's like Keller.
I listened to him when he wasrunning, talked about community
policing.
He's an idiot.
Let the police do their job.
That's number one.
(46:13):
That's community policing.
Solving crime is a is communitypolicing.
It's not a special program.
You don't have to have peoplewalking around doing nothing.
You need more cops on the roadinvestigating crimes.
It doesn't matter what it is,investigate it and solve it.
SPEAKER_06 (46:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, uh, it's it's unrealbecause now I think what you've
seen is to your point, up isdown and down is up.
Right is wrong and wrong isright.
And when that happens, that's athat's biblical.
Like when when you get thatconfusion, Satan loves the
confusion, loves it.
Make it all gray area, make itall, make, make, make the good
(46:48):
guy the bad guy, and the bad guythe good guy.
And and it's tough.
And thank you for what you'redoing.
No, thanks for.
I mean, we're huge fans.
Obviously, we want to see yousucceed.
Uh, you are hugely helpful tous, and I wanted to return that
favor and also let people knowwhat they can do to support you.
SPEAKER_01 (47:06):
Well, um they can contact um uh either myself or
or Hector Rangell um in in theFarmington area.
Yeah.
And and um most people know howto how to get a hold of me or or
Hector.
Um financial support's alwaysgood.
Yeah.
Um races ain't cheap, are they?
No, no, they're not.
But not as not as expensive asyours.
(47:28):
No, no, that's uh good point.
You don't want that.
That's that's the truth.
That's uh that was a little thatwas crazy.
SPEAKER_06 (47:34):
Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (47:36):
No, I I appreciate it.
Um we're we're gonna be fine.
Uh we've got some great peoplein San Juan County, and and I
got a lot of support, so thankyou.
That's great.
SPEAKER_04 (47:44):
And your primary's in June.
June.
In June.
Okay, so good luck there.
People could you I'm sure youcould use some volunteers
though.
SPEAKER_01 (47:50):
And always use volunteers.
SPEAKER_04 (47:52):
A few dollars if you got it in your pocket, doesn't
hurt to support you as well.
SPEAKER_01 (47:55):
So that's correct.
SPEAKER_04 (47:56):
Well, we appreciate you stopping by today.
SPEAKER_01 (47:57):
And thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_04 (47:59):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Thanks you guys for spending alittle bit of your day with us.
We'll be back here um on Sunday.
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