Episode 233: How Campaign Cash, City Crime, And Protest Politics Collide In One Wild Week

We celebrate Ella’s golden birthday, then dive into the governor’s race money surge, the Albuquerque mayor debate, and why protest energy without policy goes nowhere. Crime stats, consultant spend, immigration policy, and voter homework anchor the hour.

• small-dollar donor strength versus runaway spending
• digital firms and DC consultant fees draining war chests
• Bregman’s respectable haul but heavy overhead
• Hull’s fundraising gap and missed momentum
• Keller’s tech-and-civilians pitch on crime challenged by outcomes
• sanctuary policy implications for violent offenders and public safety
• practical voter homework: read plans, check sites, vote early
• No Kings protests lacking policy aims against issue polling headwinds
• Fetterman’s warning and intra-party backlash risk
• New Jersey governor race framed by history and math
• mailbag on release schedules, signs, and subscriber tips
• game trail cam: coyotes, bobcat, and a bold buck

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_05 (00:04):
Ella just she comes right out.

SPEAKER_07 (00:06):
I mean you barely sat down and she hit your
camera.

SPEAKER_05 (00:09):
I wasn't even yeah, I wasn't even set and ready to
roll.

SPEAKER_07 (00:12):
She's not taking any any chances today.
She's just gonna roll.

SPEAKER_05 (00:16):
No, agreed.

SPEAKER_07 (00:16):
She's doing what she wants.

SPEAKER_05 (00:18):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 (00:18):
Well she is officially 17, babe.

SPEAKER_05 (00:21):
Oh, goodness.

SPEAKER_07 (00:22):
Yeah, it it was her birthday.
We have to say, happy, happybirthday to our little girl.
I plugged in pictures here,Ella, and I'm making you put
them up.

SPEAKER_05 (00:30):
Yep, there it is.
Oh, there she is inBreckenridge.

SPEAKER_07 (00:32):
Little Scrappy.

SPEAKER_05 (00:33):
One of our favorite spots.

SPEAKER_07 (00:34):
Her uh nickname is Scrappy.
She got that name uh when shewas really tiny because she uh
was very feisty.

SPEAKER_08 (00:40):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (00:41):
And uh she had a very gravelly smokers type
voice.
Yeah.
Like we we I wanted to turn herinto a singer.
Yeah.
I was ready to turn her into asinger.
But keep going.
I've got more pictures in there.

SPEAKER_08 (00:51):
I love that one.

SPEAKER_07 (00:52):
You were very you always picked out your favorite
outfits, and that was one ofyour favorites.

SPEAKER_08 (00:56):
Yep.

SPEAKER_07 (00:56):
Uh with your little red shiny boots and your little
dress and your fake glasses.
You wore fake glasses uh foryears, which I ran into your
preschool teacher not very longago, and she goes, Does she
still wear those fake plasticframes?
I'm like, no, she outgrew that.
She did outgrow that.
So I mean you could show arecent picture.
Go ahead.
Come on.
I feel this one.
Come on, Ella.
I know this is painful for you.
I know.
You could just this is awful,everybody.

(01:18):
It's not awful.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22):
They look great, Ella.

SPEAKER_07 (01:23):
Happy 17th birthday, Ella.

SPEAKER_06 (01:26):
Turning 17th on the 17th.
Her golden birthday.
And I haven't gotten any goldyet.
No gold.
Sorry.
Gold world out there, you know?
I feel really real, real bad.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35):
You got it tough.
There's no doubt about that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:38):
So tell us what we're doing uh on the show
today.
Okay.
Because it's stacked.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41):
Yes, we have finance numbers in for the governor's
race, and they are all at thesame time incredibly um
interesting, incrediblyencouraging, and incredibly
depressing.
So they're they're all that'smixed in.
You're gonna get something andeverything.
I watched the mayor's debate onK O A T, and we pulled sound, so
you don't have to watch it allif you don't want to.

SPEAKER_08 (02:02):
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (02:03):
We pulled some highlights that are amusing, to
say the least.
There's no question about that.
And then we also have the no alittle bit of No Kings
highlights.
There's some funny stuff in theNo Kings stuff.
And then why the No Kingsdoesn't matter, and we'll
explain very much why there aredeeper issues here.
And you can you can have theprotest culture all you want.
You can absolutely do that,encourage it in this country.

(02:26):
But there are reasons why thisis just going to be absolutely
like sands through thehourglass, and no one is going
to be talking about it.
A little bit.

SPEAKER_07 (02:37):
Okay, keep going.

SPEAKER_05 (02:37):
And our favorite Democratic senator is under fire
again, but he continues to spittruth.
So we'll get into that.
We'll get into some of the memevideos, which are rather
amusing.
And then we'll do a little bitof mailbag from you guys and
some of what you had to say.
And then, of course, Sunday isgame day, and we'll have that as

(02:58):
well.

SPEAKER_07 (02:58):
Okay.
Sounds good.
Okay, well, let's start right infirst off.
Some numbers coming in for thegovernor's race, these campaign
finance reports.
They're reported what quarterly?

SPEAKER_05 (03:06):
Yes, they're reported quarterly.
So these really, what we'reabout to show you are kind of
the two-quarter aggregate of allthe numbers, and they are
staggering for Deb Holland.

SPEAKER_07 (03:16):
Yeah, I mean, look at the amount of money that she
has raised.
It's just under$7 million.

SPEAKER_05 (03:22):
It's incredible.

SPEAKER_07 (03:23):
That's I mean, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 (03:25):
Let me just say this about this.
She is going to blow away everyrecord.
So the record that was therebefore was from Michelle in our
race.
That's going to be blown out ofthe water, I think, by Holland
alone, right?
I mean, and so her Republicanopponent, whoever that is, and
we'll see.
There is one person in the racewho we really like.
Greg Hull's a good guy, butthere are real problems there.

(03:46):
So we'll we'll get into that ina second.
But let's go back to DebHolland's numbers because they
they are staggering.
They really are.
$6.9 million raised, okay?
Now, two things here.
Number one, that number isincredibly impressive.
Even when you go look at herindividual donors, she has a ton
of small dollar donors.
That's one of the things weprided ourselves on.
We had a ton of small dollardonors.

(04:09):
She does in spades and reallydeserves a ton of credit for
that.
Okay.
That's a big, big deal.
Because the reason why is thosepeople keep giving.
They keep giving.
None of them give a ton, so theygive a lot.
Okay.
And so that's really important.
And that is, to me, the mostimpressive thing about her
campaign.
No doubt.

(04:29):
And when you see the amount ofmoney she's got going now, I
think she's going to top, shecould top$15 million easy in
what she raises.

SPEAKER_07 (04:35):
And I mean, I remember I was talking with Jay,
you and me and Jay sat down on aconversation over a year ago.
And you guys said once sheannounced she would have a bank,
a bank role like we will neversee in the history of the state.

SPEAKER_05 (04:46):
She does.
Now, let's take a look at thered number on that graphic,
though.
She is wasting money at a ratewhich is without peer.
It is unbelievable.
She spent four million dollars.

SPEAKER_07 (04:58):
Almost five, if you really look at that number,
4.975.
I mean, that's really high.
Oh, sorry.
I thought that was a nine.
It was a zero.
Okay, my bad.

SPEAKER_05 (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But still, it doesn't.
She'll get there.
I promise you.
She'll get to five soon enough.
Okay.
But the problem is with this,that that level of which she's
wasting money, it isunbelievable.
There is no reason to have spent$4 million on this race already.
There's no reason.
She should be stockpiling thismoney to the point where she has
a huge war chest going into thefirst of the year.

(05:26):
But so, so so you start saying,oh my gosh, going to raise all
this money.
She's incredibly irresponsiblewith money.
So if you if you look at whereshe's spending this money, uh,
one of the biggest ones wepulled out of here was her
digital firm.
Middle seat is her digital firm.
Okay.
And they are, they've they'vetuned her up to the to the
number of two plus milliondollars.

(05:47):
All right.
Now, I don't know what they do.
You know, I'm sure they're gonnabe, oh, we put the
infrastructure in place andblah, blah, blah.
But we put a website and it'sthey are rip ripping her off.
Yeah, that's crazy.
There's no way they're notripping her off.
Okay.
She's got all kinds of otherstuff in there, which I'm not
gonna get into because I don'tknow her, the inner workings of
her campaign.
All I can tell you is she'sgetting ripped off.
Yeah, the DC consultant class,they rip you off if you let

(06:10):
them.
Okay.
Every single candidate in thisgovernor's race is getting
ripped off.
Okay, I will tell you, this ishow this works.
These DC consultants come in,they don't own New Mexico.
They, they, they take everydollar they can from you.
Okay.
And so, Deb Holland, while youlook at some of her numbers and
you say, wow, it's reallyimpressive.
I still believe in my heart ofhearts, the way she spends money

(06:32):
and the way she answersquestions and her abilities lead
me to believe there is still anopening that she can be
absolutely beat.
So she will be one of thosepeople that will either cruise
to victory with a ton of money,or she will be an epic collapse
when something develops hereafter the first of the year and
and you get a candidate in therethat can take her out.

(06:53):
I don't think Bregman's gonnatake her out.
I don't, okay?
But let's get to Bregman, right?
And we should look at hisnumbers.
His numbers are not bad at all.

SPEAKER_07 (06:59):
Okay, so he's raised just under 2.5 in two different
quarters.

SPEAKER_05 (07:02):
Yep.

SPEAKER_07 (07:03):
Um, and then his total expenditures, he's already
spent over a million as well.

SPEAKER_05 (07:06):
Absolutely.
So he's got a million dollarsleft, right?
He's got about 1.4 still in hisaccount, but he spent a million
in the past quarter here.
I still think that's way toomuch money.

SPEAKER_07 (07:15):
Yeah, I mean, is it just is it like name ID?
He's trying to get people toknow who he is.

SPEAKER_05 (07:19):
Well, if you look at where his spending is, again,
he's super consultant heavy.
So all these numbers are fromconsultants.
They're all differentconsultants.

SPEAKER_07 (07:27):
Oh, I think that's our new job.
Let's let's start a consultancyfirm.
Oh, it's a we'll just getDemocratic money.
We'll just be the consultantsfor the Democrats and get this.

SPEAKER_05 (07:35):
I'm telling you, they they do the the amount of
money wasted, I think, here isit is staggering.
None of this is local, okay?
Right.
No, I'm sure he's paying hislocal people money, all that,
all that stuff.
But uh J and Z is out of DC,blueprint's out of DC.
So you got people that are outof DC.
This is DC consultants going inthere and just emptying their
bank account.

SPEAKER_07 (07:53):
Oh my gosh, I can't wait.
We're gonna start one and we'regonna start our own firm.
I don't know what our name'sgonna be yet, but let's make
sure that we're do we cheat hima how?
Yeah, let's okay, yeah, exactly.
And let's make ourselvesincorporated out of DC because
somehow people are like, oh,well, DC, they know what's going
on.

SPEAKER_05 (08:08):
They know what's wrong with it.
I'm telling you right now, I seeit with local candidates on the
Republican side all the time.
I'm gonna get my DC consultantin here.
Your DC consultant doesn't knowsquat.
Your DC consultant knows how tocash a check.
That's it.
Okay.
So I will tell you, I think it'sridiculous.
I think Bregman's wasting somemoney, but he's doing a good job
raising money.
It's not, it's not notinconsequential at all.

(08:28):
I think he should, he's it'simpressive, I think, what he's
done when you consider thatCollins raised almost 7 million.
The fact that he's raised 2.4 insix months, not bad at all.
Not bad at all.
Now that's where the Republicansshould be, right around 2.4, 2.5
million over six months.
Okay.
Um, so now uh you look at whereGreg Hull is, and he's the only
announced Republican candidateat this point.

SPEAKER_07 (08:50):
Um he's raised 329,000.

SPEAKER_05 (08:53):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (08:53):
And he has spent 130,000.

SPEAKER_05 (08:56):
In the in this past quarter, he spent 130,000.
So he basically spent what hewhat he raised this past
quarter.
Got it.
But the total number over sixmonths is 329,000.
Uh, this is not this isnon-competitive.
Okay.
So so the the problem right nowis if I'm Greg Hall, what I'm
concerned with is the fact Ijust can't raise money.
And so now the question is why?
Right.
Is the question are or is thenumber one, do you not have the

(09:19):
reach to get some small dollardonors in?
Clearly not.
Okay.
And then not only that, youdon't have big donors that are
coming in in big numbers yet.
So now could this be justbecause they're waiting out to
see who else gets in the race?
Yeah, that's a possibility.

SPEAKER_07 (09:32):
I would think that's probably a very likely reason.
Great.

SPEAKER_05 (09:35):
But the problem you have there then is though,
you're still not, you're notcreating any buzz.
You're not creating any momentumby your own campaign.
And so that's why this is aconcern to me, if if I'm Greg
Hall.
And again, he had this kind ofhalf launch where he won
launched and then kind of said,Well, uh, and then he launched
again this week.
It makes no sense.
I'm not sure why I did that.
Yeah, it's I mean, and again,that's fine and all.

(09:57):
It's just that this is notcompetitive at this point.
So he needs to do somethinghere.
He needs to raise a milliondollars between, I would say,
October and December.
I mean, honestly, I'm you justyou have to get more money in.
If you can't, you're just notgoing to matter.
I don't care what you do, Idon't care who you are or what

(10:19):
you've done.
If you can't raise at least amillion dollars, you know, yeah,
by the end of the year, you gota huge problem here.
Right.
And again, he's spendingbasically what he's raising.
You know, this past uh threemonths, he spent what he raised.
That's that's terrible.
And if you look at his numbersand who he's doing, he's just
this again it's consultants,right?
DC consultant from ConnectDrink, okay?

(10:40):
It's unbelievable.
Again, they're not like they'renot ripping him off to the tune
where, you know, Holland'sgetting ripped off and Bregman's
getting ripped off, but he's notdoing anything either because
they didn't have any money.
Right.
So that is a concern.
So so those are where thenumbers are.
And the reason we talk about thenumbers and the reason we always
talk about fundraising is thereis nothing more important at
this juncture of the campaign.
Nothing.

(11:01):
It is what you do.
Okay, it is what you do.

SPEAKER_07 (11:04):
And I think people don't understand that that is
like the bulk of your time.
It's 90% of your time.
Like it's funny, like you know,joking around with uh your
former fundraiser, uh Jessicaand you and me, and we have
jokes quite often, and justabout the brutality.
Like I call and tell her all thetime, I just need Mark to help
me clean the garage out.
Could you yell at him a littlebit and make him get in there in
the garage and help me cleanthat out?

(11:25):
Because it was, it's a grind.
It was a, you know, you andJessica every day like fighting
it out to get meetings and callsand sit down with people and
travel and you ask people andyou gotta prove yourself and
talk about all of your policiesover and over and over and over
for a hundred dollar check, athousand dollar check, whatever
it is, fifty bucks, whatever itis.

SPEAKER_05 (11:43):
Like yeah, it's everything.
It's everything.
It's everything.

SPEAKER_07 (11:45):
And you are saying the same thing over and over and
over.
I I remember at night for thefirst time ever when you ran,
you would be out of words.
I mean, you're never out ofwords.
You're a guy who likes to talktill one in the morning.

SPEAKER_08 (11:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (11:57):
And when you were running, you like by 10 o'clock,
there were no more words comingout of your mouth.
You were like, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05 (12:03):
I borrowed as much as I could against.

SPEAKER_07 (12:04):
I borrowed all my words today.
I've done it all.

SPEAKER_05 (12:07):
And well, you have to be ultimately, though, you
know, and I have no doubt thatall the candidates are going
through their lists andeverything else, but you have to
be a closer.
Like you've got to be able toclose on donors.
You've got to be able to closeand get big money out of a ton
of donors.
I'm sorry.
That's that's the job.
Holland does it, Bregman doesit.
Right now, uh Hull is strugglingwith it, clearly, judging by the

(12:28):
numbers.
So, and it's hard too becausethere aren't that many
fundraisers in the state.
There's only a few.
You've got to honestly develop afundraiser.
You've got to kind of trainsomeone up to help you.
And what I mean by that is theyget you lists, they they they do
follow-up calls.
So you'll have a great call witha donor, right?
You've like, yeah, I'll supportyou.
All right, sounds good.
You hang up the phone.
You gotta follow up.
You gotta be like, hey, uh, Joe,uh, you know, you had a great

(12:51):
conversation with with mycandidate.
Can can we get you to send thecheck to, you know, da-da-da-da.
Okay, great.
And and then when you're whenyou're doing those calls too,
you're literally having a phonecall if you know you have a big
time donor, you gotta ask for$10plus thousand dollars.
You gotta say it.
Yeah, you gotta say it.
You know, can you max donate tome$10,250 or whatever it is?

(13:12):
And can your wife do it too?
And can your business do it?
Like now, it doesn't alwayswork.
Sometimes they're like, nah, I'mnot, I'm not gonna invest like
that with you yet.
I don't believe in you.
That's what you got.

SPEAKER_07 (13:22):
You sometimes you have to have multiple meetings,
especially for the biggest,yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (13:25):
Yeah, fundraisers for that reason.
Yeah, everything else.
But anyway, this just means thatif you don't raise the money,
you don't have the reach.
You don't.
None of these people, especiallynow, Holland has some name ID,
Bregman doesn't have much, andHull has none.
Right.
Okay, so those things are notnone, but virtually none.
Right.
I mean, that's the problem.
Everybody thinks they're wellknown.

SPEAKER_07 (13:43):
I know.

SPEAKER_05 (13:44):
There are very few people in the state that are
well known.
Very few.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (13:47):
Right?

SPEAKER_05 (13:47):
Okay, well known in your circle.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You just have to get out of thatcircle and you gotta catch fire.
And so what Hull's gotta be ableto do with no one in the race,
if Hull could catch fire, whatwill happen is no one will get
in the race because there's notpeople lined up, right?
Right?
They're not all lined up.

SPEAKER_07 (14:04):
I think people are still waiting to see.

SPEAKER_05 (14:06):
Well, I know I think you're before they announce.

SPEAKER_07 (14:08):
I really believe that we're gonna see more
candidates going in there in therace come January.

SPEAKER_05 (14:13):
Yeah, and I think it's a real possibility.
And and and again, you you may,and again, you could get some
people that either can be wellknown or self-funders or
something like that.
All that stuff could happen.
But but I think right now, Hullis missing an opportunity.
If he can catch fire, though,then it could be something
different.
So we'll see.
Yeah, I guess.
We'll see what ends uphappening.

SPEAKER_07 (14:30):
Okay, so let's get let's shift back real quick to
the a quick recap on the our uhon the mayor debate that
happened this week.
We had Darren White on, he's theRepublican candidate running for
against Keller.
Um, he's believed to be based onall the data we've seen, yeah,
that he has the best chance ofcoming in second place under
Keller, which would lead to arunoff is kind of what is the

(14:50):
anticipation.

SPEAKER_05 (14:52):
You have to have 50%.
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (14:53):
You have to have 50% to win the mayor.
They don't believe that Kellerwill get 50%, so it's gonna be
him plus whoever gets the secondhighest.
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (14:59):
Now, and I will say, I want to thank, we should say
this to our to our peoplewatching the show.
What the numbers that we've seenon this show in the past three
months have been staggering tous.
Yeah, so we're we're on YouTubealone, we're you know, the
Darren White episode got 15,000views and and episodes going
back are in those number ranges.
Those numbers are huge, and weappreciate that because it is

(15:21):
we're seeing this growth, andthen that's not even counting
the podcast.
Right, exactly.
So this is really uh we are sothankful for that.
And your interest in it andpeople kind of diving in.
So thank you.
Keep telling people becausewe're getting numbers now that
you don't get other, you justdon't get in a lot of other
places.
So we are thrilled with that.
But Darren kind of caught caughton there.

SPEAKER_07 (15:42):
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(16:02):
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SPEAKER_05 (16:11):
And we just did a little sales pitch right in the
middle of this.

SPEAKER_07 (16:12):
Sorry, you can't do it.
No, no, no, you're good.
I love it.
And I do have a comment aboutour our email system in just a
minute, but I'll wait till weget to the comments.
Because we actually had acomment about it.
So, okay, let's move on to thisdebate.
A couple of recaps here.
If people did not get to sitdown and watch it.

SPEAKER_05 (16:25):
I was all right, so I sat down the night it happened
and went through it just so youwouldn't be forced to do it.
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (16:31):
I'd love I watch debates, guys.
I know you do, but I know youlove it.

SPEAKER_05 (16:35):
I totally get it, but I wasn't really.
I have my grading card.

SPEAKER_07 (16:37):
I have my grading card and everybody.

SPEAKER_05 (16:38):
Tarky talking directly about you.
I was, I mean you, the you, theviewer.
Um, so but you too, I guess.
But so right out of this, I willtell you, Keller had a couple
things that I think show you howlong he's been mayor.
So we're not we're only gonna doabout four or five clips, but
they're relatively quick, andwe'll move it along pretty
quick.
But it is hilarious that I wantyou to listen.

SPEAKER_07 (16:57):
Or sad.

SPEAKER_05 (16:58):
Or sad.
But I found it to be incrediblyentertaining.
I think Keller is entertainingbecause it's so bad.
Okay, so now he's he puts asmooth veneer on an absolute
horror show.
Yeah, he's very good, right?
He's just like, come on.
So he starts off by talkingabout when he took over the
city, the city was in disarray.
Okay, the police department wasin disarray.

(17:19):
Now, never mind the fact thatthey set records for murderers
under him.
Like it's been like his recordis horrendous.
Like, there's no way around it,right?
You just look at what he said.
No, no, but but he but he makesup a new record, right?
Which is like things werehorrible, but then I took over.
And watch what he says here.
Because he basically says, youknow, we don't really need cops
to do law enforcement.

(17:40):
How about we just get everydayJoes and we get them to handle
how things happen here?
Just listen to this.

SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
It was literally falling apart.
Officers were leaving, they hadlost trust, we were under a DOJ
consent decree, and crime wasgoing up.
Now we've rebuilt APD and wefight crime a different way with
technology and civilians.
That's why I put gunshotdetection and license plate
readers all over the city.
And that's why we created thecommunity safety department to
be civilians that respond tocalls to free up officers so

(18:07):
they can fight violent crime.
So if we keep using technologyand civilians, we have a chance
of fighting crime in the rightway, and also making sure that
we're dealing with theunderlying issues around
fentanyl and things that are thedrivers of crime, including
housing and homelessness.
That's what we need.
It's a complicated answerbecause it's a complicated
question, but we know it'sworking.

SPEAKER_05 (18:26):
No, it's it's not complicated in any way, shape,
or form.
The best part is look, if we canjust get civilians out there to
start handling the crime, we'regonna be just fine.

SPEAKER_07 (18:34):
It ties it into fentanyl.
I'm like, what is it, likevigilante days?
Like, hey, you feel like you'resuperman?
Get out there and get out.
Get out there.
What's it?
You took care of the fentanyl.
Are you Batman?
Put on your Batman suit.
Get out there and get thebattery.
I got the signal.

SPEAKER_05 (18:45):
I got the Bat signal.
Get out there and fight crime.
No, basically, let me just boildown that statement.
Yeah.
You do it, sucker.
I mean, that's what he wasbasically saying.
It's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_07 (18:56):
So we have technology and civilians.
So clean up your homelessnessaround your own buildings, fight
your own gr hire your ownsecurity teams to manage your
businesses.

SPEAKER_05 (19:05):
So, okay, so that's a great point.
So I listed his first one.
I'm like, oh my gosh.
But then he circled back to it.
Oh, he doubles down.
He circles back to it about 20minutes later and is like,
listen, if you suckers didn'tget my point that you need to
fight your own crime, he evendoubles down more and basically
says in the soundbite you'reabout to hear, stop relying on

(19:27):
me and handle it yourself,loser.

SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
The challenge around downtown, I think this is a good
one where at least those of uswho are born and raised here,
uh, downtown has been achallenge for decades.
And part of the problem is thatwe look to mayors and
politicians to fix it.
I do think that's part of theproblem.
I agree with you, that's whatI'm saying.
Yeah, well, that's what you'resaying.
I'm saying with our taxincrement district, they get
their own money and then theycan decide what to do with it.

(19:52):
The actual community, givingpower to the community, I think,
is leadership.
That is something that I'velistened and heard about for
decades, and it's something nopolitician has ever been willing
to do.
Time you're gonna do it.
Yeah, because they have a job.
They have a job, it's your jobto do it, brother.

SPEAKER_05 (20:06):
It's your job to be like, hey, here's how we're
gonna fix this.
Here are the police, here areall the resources that I, as the
mayor, am in charge of and getpaid to administer in these
different areas of the city, andit's my job to help make you
safe.
But you know what?
Why don't you handle it?
That's incredible.
That just shows you he's been inoffice too long, has no clue
what he's saying anymore, and isjust basically like, I give up,

(20:30):
I got no answers, so you solveit yourself.

SPEAKER_07 (20:33):
Yeah, he's like, people look to the mayor, and
that's the problem.
People look to the mayor andthey're their leaders to solve
the problems, and that's wherethe problem lies.
Right now, you're doing aterrible job.
This is like telling a school,like the teachers and the
principal, being like, students,you know, you're in charge of
yourselves now and teachyourselves your own curriculum.
I don't know what you expect usto do.
Test yourselves.

(20:53):
My goodness.
We obviously, I don't know whyyou're looking to the teachers
and the administration to takecare of educating you.
I mean, why would we do that?

SPEAKER_05 (21:01):
We are paid money, so solve it yourself, loser.

SPEAKER_07 (21:03):
We give it to you.
I mean, it's just we give wegive it back to the community.

SPEAKER_05 (21:07):
No, we gotta give it back to the kids in the class.
Kids, what do you think weshould do?
I know.
Shut up! You're the magic.
You're the mayor, you're incharge of the police, you're
literally in charge of billionsof dollars.
And yet you turn around and talkabout tid districts and
everything else.
Like, maybe you should handlethis yourself.
I mean, this guy, he is lost.

(21:28):
I mean, he really, this is whathappens when you're around
people who go touch grass.
Like, go touch grass becauseright now you have no idea what
you're doing.
And the fact that you said that,I would, if I'm Darren, I put
that on an ad.

SPEAKER_07 (21:40):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (21:40):
I put, I save that thing for the runoff.
I clip that and I have himsaying, people rely on the
mayor.
Clip him right there and belike, yeah, we do, Mr.
Mayor.
And under you, the murder ratehas quadrupled.
Quadrupled.
Yeah, we do depend on you, andyou clearly can't handle the
job.
It's unreal.

(22:01):
When I watched that, I startedrolling on the ground laughing
because I was like, this isunreal.
I but I I got respect for himbecause he's incredibly
entertaining when he says this.

SPEAKER_07 (22:10):
Oh, and he's with this little smile and a smirk on
his face.
Oh, he's a smirker.
He's like, Your kids at home.
Do you let your kids at homelike make the rules?
I mean, I feel like as parents,it's kind of our job to guide
the ship.
We give that, we have thebudget.
Can you imagine being like tothe girls?
We're like, yeah, you guys gofigure out groceries, utilities,
time to feed you.
And just, you know, why it'sit's your it's your stomach.

(22:31):
It's your, you know, you pay thebills.
You go figure it out yourself.
You do it.

SPEAKER_05 (22:34):
You do it.
You do it.
That's he's he's he's mayor, youdo it.
I mean, that's what he calledmayor, you do it.
He's the best.
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (22:41):
Okay, so let's move on.

SPEAKER_05 (22:42):
Okay.
So one of the people that wasthought by many to be at least a
contender to end up in therunoff was Luis Sanchez.
He is a city counselor, uhDemocrat who's kind of more of a
centrist than Keller, running tothe right of Keller, former
police officer.
So as I watched him, I have tobe honest, I I think he either
was incredibly nervous orunprepared for what happened.

(23:05):
Because I'm just gonna let youlisten to one of the responses.
Okay, and I want you to tell mewhat in the world he's talking
about.
Okay.
So this is, I will tell you,this is about fighting crime.
Okay, this is crime.
I'll give you that.
And then you try to you try towind your way through this word
salad right here.

SPEAKER_03 (23:24):
He needs 1600 police officers in order to do the job
correctly.
When I came on the policedepartment, there was 500,
almost 500 officers that wereassigned to field services.
That is way more than we havenow.
It's double that 30 years agothan it's been now.
With with the deployment of theNational Guard, that means that

(23:47):
we are in dire straits.
One of the things that I'm upsetabout is that we took the
National Guard officer or theNational Guard out of their out
of their role.
If you're a military person andyou are wearing camels and uh
polo shirt, you're out of yourrole.
Can you imagine if a policeofficer was deployed with a
National Guard who is still inrole and then can go to a

(24:10):
domestic violence?
You just doubled the amount ofpolice officers and doubled
amount of the amount of crimefighting, making sure that they
stayed in their role.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 (24:19):
I'm gonna use this clip in my debate class of what
not to do.
Like, how do you like when youdon't know the answer to the
question or you don't havesomething prepared and you just
ramble, that's what he did.

SPEAKER_05 (24:27):
I think he's nervous.
I I have to say, I so I don'tlike he just starts diving off
into other areas.

SPEAKER_07 (24:34):
You have no idea what he's talking about.

SPEAKER_05 (24:35):
Yeah, you have to really in those debate
situations, first of all, you'remore nervous than you think
you're gonna be.
And you have to be more simpleand streamlined with your
answers.
When you start wandering off,because it really this was very
tightly timed.
It they didn't give enough time,I don't think, enough enough for
these guys to do that.

SPEAKER_07 (24:50):
I think most of these guys had, I think most of
them that I watched was about 30seconds.
You had about 30 seconds toanswer.

SPEAKER_05 (24:54):
Uh to a minute, yeah, it just depends, right?
And so he just really hadtrouble articulating a vision.
And then one of the effectivethings Keller did was the kiss
of death, which was, and Kellerknows this.
And and Keller tells him, Well,you're the one who supported my
Sanctuary City policy.
Yeah.
Because he did.
He was the vote that keptKeller's Sanctuary City policy
in place.

(25:14):
That's like he's done.
Okay, he's done.
So so Louis Sanchez is not goingto be a factor, I don't think,
but he really had trouble.
He struggled.
It's hard.
I mean, it is hard.
Look, being a really goodcarrier of a message is pretty
difficult.
Well, you know, and it's it'sabout being not only good at
connecting with people, but it'salso about being genuine and not

(25:35):
being a slickery slime ball,right?
Yeah, anybody, you got plenty ofslickery slime balls.
In fact, Keller would be inthat, I think in that in that
category.

SPEAKER_07 (25:43):
He's like a we call him uh like a used car salesman
or like a snake, a snake.
And we talk about that actuallyin my public speaking classes
that you actually hurt yourcredibility when you're too
like, hey.

SPEAKER_05 (25:53):
Hey, how you doing?
Hey, no, no, no, you're right.
Even like, yeah, there can besome real genuine.

SPEAKER_07 (25:57):
I'm waiting for him to wink.

SPEAKER_05 (25:58):
Some well, right?
Oh, double guns.
I mean, my gosh.
I he did do everything but thedouble guns.
So anyway, so Louie, you know,pile on him.
I just think he reallystruggled.
And I think that the SanctuaryCity vote was hard.

SPEAKER_07 (26:10):
Yeah, and he's but he's voted for other things that
it show that he is not any sortof conservative mindset
whatsoever.
And so people that are thinking,oh no, he could he'll be more of
a centralist.
No, he won't.

SPEAKER_05 (26:19):
That's just, but I but it won't matter.
So um, okay.

SPEAKER_07 (26:24):
It won't matter.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (26:25):
It won't.
Um, so so then uh we have alittle exchange of fire between
Keller and Darren White.
There wasn't a lot of exchangeof fire, but Darren White was, I
think we've had him on the show.
I I think Darren was prepared,did a good job.
I think he's, you know, Darren'sa good communicator.
I I think like anything, I thinkthere are times when those
moments, you know, you you kindof you can stilt it.

(26:46):
And at times it gets a littlestilted and you're you're not as
smooth as you'd like to be.
But I think Darren did a reallygood job at this.
And so just here's one littleexchange between the two where
Keller says, you're looking allthe way back to 2020 when
hundreds plus people are gettingmurdered.
Uh, you know, that's not whenthat stuff's not happening
anymore.
So listen to this between DarrenWhite and Tim Keller.

SPEAKER_01 (27:07):
Darren's just living in like 2020.
I mean, all of these stats andthings that he quotes, they were
true a couple of years ago.
They're just not anymore.
And I think that's the bigchallenge because when you look
at this issue, you know, thereare deep challenges that we've
had for many years, many ofwhich actually you were you were
a part of when you werecommunity safety department, the
officers during the morale, theDOJ.

(27:30):
These are all problems I've hadto clean up.
You've done a heck of a lot ofwork to actually do that.
And that's what this election'sabout.
It's about the future.
It's not about four years ago.
Time is up.

SPEAKER_09 (27:39):
Mr.
White, 30-second rebuttal.
Thank you.
Yeah, let's go back, MayorKeller.
Let's go back to 2014.
You like to talk about 10 yearsago.
Ten years ago, there were 30murders.
2014.
30 murders in Altrike.
2024, 106.
Three times more.
That's 2022.

(28:00):
Mayor, please, Mayor, please.
Let me finish.
Thank you.
That is not progress.
That is a crisis.

SPEAKER_05 (28:09):
Well done.
Well done.
Just beat him.
Now, Darren may have tweaked ayear or two off those uh
numbers.
Either way, the numbers are farhigher now than they ever were
when he took over.
That's the point.
When he took over, uh he's he'spresided over a staggering
number of murders.
So then what you constantly doin those situations, and Darren
did a good job of it, is just goto the numbers.
Just be very simple.

SPEAKER_08 (28:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (28:30):
And just be like, here's where we were, here's
where we are.
You have presided over the mostdevastating explosion of
violence in the history of thestate of New Mexico.
Congratulations.
And you can't put a bow on that.
You can't put lipstick on thatpig, brother.
You own it.

SPEAKER_07 (28:45):
The one point with Keller that really stood out to
me was when he's talking abouthow he still is collecting
federal funds, but he's got likea sneaky way of not reporting
information about violentillegal people to ICE and to the
federal government.
I thought this just seemed shadyand puts all of us at danger.

(29:05):
So take a listen to this and youlet me know what you think.

SPEAKER_01 (29:11):
When this started, when Trump started separating
children at the border, I stoodup in defiance and I created our
immigrant-friendly policy thatdoes just that.
This is a city that is saferwhen families feel safe to call
our police department.
And by law and by executiveorder, we do not work with ICE.
And that's the right answer, sothat everyone feels safe, no
matter who's in their home or nomatter who's in their family, to

(29:33):
call APD.
But also, we need strongexperienced leadership that
knows how to make sure that wedon't lose federal money.
And that's why our policy alsodoesn't collect any information.
None.
That's why I can say we're infull compliance with every
federal requirement.
We share all the information wehave because we don't collect
any.
That's what strong experiencedleadership is.
I have a long track record onthis issue.

(29:54):
No one is surprised that I willalways fight for immigrant
families.

SPEAKER_05 (29:57):
Okay, hold on.
This is stunning.
To me.
Okay?
Do you see what he does here?
He literally takes pride inbecause we don't collect
anything.
We don't collect that's whatstrong leadership does.
I want to give you an example ofhow dangerous what he just said
was.
Okay?
And it is amazing to me that he,you know, says and is so proud

(30:19):
of this.
This is why this is horrendous.
Look at this headline from theAlbuquerque Journal.
We've talked about this story.
Albuquerque brothers arrestedafter a weekend fatal shooting
on the west side.
Okay?
Listen to the details on thisstory, and then I'll walk you
through it.
Burnleo County deputies arrestedtwo brothers in the fatal
shooting of a man at a partyearly Sunday morning on the mesa

(30:40):
west of Albuquerque.
Don Munoz, 28, is charged withan open count of murder and
tampering with evidence in thedeath of 25-year-old Mikhail
Antonio Torboleta Romero.
Munoz's brother, Andy, AndyPara, 27, is also charged in the
incident with aggravated batterywith a deadly weapon and
negligent use of a deadlyweapon.

(31:01):
Now you say, well, what's thathave to do with this?
More details on this story.
And this is where sharingnothing with ICE cost someone
their life.
Okay?
Here it is.
Munoz is currently on pretrialrelease with an ankle monitor.
On July 13th, the case in whichhe allegedly choked his wife in

(31:22):
front of their child andthreatened to kill both of them
before firing a gun in theparking lot.
Now, had Tim Keller shared theinformation on Munoz right
there, had he shared it withICE, Munoz would have been
shipped out of the country, backto Venezuela.
Okay.
Instead, Mr.
Proud that he doesn't share anyinformation ends up releasing

(31:47):
this guy back out, sharesnothing with ICE.
He then kills someone.
Okay.
So his little cockture proudroutine of not sharing
information with ICE causespeople in our community to die.
So he incorrectly goes out andsays, Well, it's you're much
safer when we don't shareanything with ice.
You're wrong.

(32:08):
And it is, this is the kind ofignorant stupidity that has
infected this city for eightyears.
It's why he has been a failureas a mayor.
And it's one thing to be wrongand fix it.
It's another thing to be wrong,double down on it, get cocky
about it, and think you'resmarter than everybody else in
the room, that they won't gopick out a few stories here and
there when it shows that yourignorance of how to operate as a

(32:30):
mayor actually costs lives.
This is horrible.
And again, I'm saying it again.
It doesn't matter if you're aDemocrat or Republican, who
cares?
When that gun gets pointed atyou by someone who shouldn't be
here and someone who's veryviolent, you're not gonna care
what party you're from.
It doesn't matter.
His policy is bad.

(32:52):
And again, he takes it and justtreats it like, oh, you're too
stupid to realize what I'mreally doing.
He knows about this case.
He doesn't care.

SPEAKER_07 (33:02):
Right.
He doesn't care.
And I mean Louis Sanchez backedSanctuary City policies as well.
Let's keep that in mind.
And again, we did have a onecomment.
I didn't put it in here, but wehad a comment um from one of our
viewers that were saying,listen, Darren did good on the
interview and he did good in thedebate, but I'm still confused
on how what his actual plan is.
My advice is on any candidatethat you're wondering what their
plan is, because we feel like wehave a pretty good grasp on what
Darren's plan is, but it's notmy job to explain his whole plan

(33:24):
to you.
Go to his website and read hisactual policy plan.
That's what you should do forall of these candidates.
And so I know his is DarrenWhite for mayor, but go and
check out all the candidatesthat you're considering voting
for and see where they stand onthese issues.
If they don't have like actualpolicies and plans on their
website, that's a red flag.
That's a huge red flag.
So make sure that you agree withtheir plans and their policies.

(33:46):
Make sure you get to know thecandidates before you go vote
for them.
That's my last appeal for that.
And early voting has started.

SPEAKER_01 (33:52):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (33:52):
So you can vote from 10 to 7, I believe, 10 to 7, at
most locations that do earlyvoting, and that's on Monday
through Saturdays.
So that's actually open now.
So if you want to cast your voteearly, go for that.
We also want to put, I want toput in one little appeal for
Courtney Jackson.
She's up for school boards.

SPEAKER_05 (34:07):
School board, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (34:08):
We school board, and we we love her.
She's done a really good job onthe board, and we would love to
put a little plug out there forCourtney Jackson as well.
Cast a revote for her.

SPEAKER_05 (34:15):
Okay, we're gonna go through these pretty quickly
because we've gone long on thesecouple of stories, but the No
Kings protests, it they happenedall over the country here.
They happened here in theAlbuquerque area.
Uh, there was a solid turnouthere in Albuquerque.
All this, here we go.
You got all the signs.
I always enjoy reading thesigns.
Some of them are interesting andsome of them are are
disappointing in the way theyspell and use grammar, but not
the point.

(34:35):
So uh, but it but you know,again, this happens, you know,
honestly, and these guys herewere funny.
They're from New Mexico State,and they were similar to a guy
I'm about to show you asoundbite from.
Yeah.
Like, oh, you know, what are youhere for?
Well, we don't like kings, man.
I don't want kings.
I don't like kings.
Oh, oh, okay.
Uh, all right, that's fine.
And so, but I want you to hearthis guy from a Colorado

(34:56):
protest.
This is classic.
So you'd see all kinds of thisstuff where they'd ask people,
you know, hey, like, what do youreally have a problem with?
Well, this guy, this guy fromColorado really shed some light
on it.

SPEAKER_09 (35:06):
Trump's a Yeah, why is that?
I don't know.
He's just we don't like him.
That's the word around here.
Any any particular reason whyyou don't like him?
No clue at all.
I'm just going with everybodyelse saying.

SPEAKER_07 (35:18):
I mean, I saw a lot of these where they these like
younger reporters are going outand asking you, so why are we
protesting?
And they're like, Well, webelieve in the power of
protesting.

SPEAKER_05 (35:27):
A lot of them are Republicans too.
They go to conservatives.

SPEAKER_07 (35:30):
Well, but they're asking even older people, not
even just kids like this, butolder people, and they're like,
What are we doing out here?
And they're like, Well, webelieve in the power of
protesting.
We're like, Okay, well, youbelieve in the power of
protesting.
What what is it specificallythat you're here to protest?
Well, we don't want, we don'tlike Trump.
Okay, what about Trump?
Don't you like?
And there this one woman waslike, um, well, how much time do
you have?
And he said, I have a coupleminutes, go for it.
And she's like, Well, uh, forstarters, and there's a long

(35:53):
pause.
And then she's like, you know, Idon't think I should talk about
this right now.
And then because they have noidea.
Most of the people are like, uh,actually, I'm I I just know that
we we got the email.
We're supposed to be here at 10a.m.
for the no kings protest.
So anyway.

SPEAKER_05 (36:07):
You know, you know, and I want to talk about this
because I I think really the nokings protest is meaningless.
I will tell you.
I just think it you what what'sgoing on right now, and I want
to get to Els, I want to get toclip 18 here.
And what I want to show you isthe fact that what you've got
right now, when you have a partywrapped around right now, at
least a portion of theDemocratic Party wrapped around,

(36:28):
the only thing they care aboutis hating Trump.
That's it.
It's it's it's all they careabout.
That's not a plan and it's not apolicy, and it's not gonna win
you an election.
Okay, it's not.
It's not gonna work.
So if you look at the actualnumbers here and where are
people on various issues, who dothey trust?
Okay.
And when you go to crime,Republicans have a 14-point

(36:49):
advantage over Democrats oncrime.
On immigration, Republicans havean 11-point advantage on the
Democrats.
National security, aneight-point advantage.
The economy, a nine-pointadvantage.
Inflation, a four-pointadvantage, gun law is a
three-point advantage.
Now you get to education,there's where you see a little
democratic advantage, but mostpeople don't vote on education
as their main factor and whothey vote for.

(37:11):
And then you've got abortion,congratulations, whatever, uh,
healthcare and climate change.
Okay.
But obviously, the the key sixissues, or really at least the
key five issues, all favored byRepublicans, because you don't
have a plan.
When you don't have a plan andyou just decide we're gonna go
out there and protest, which isfine.
It just doesn't matter.

(37:31):
Yeah, it doesn't matter if youdon't have a plan to help
people.
If someone can't get to the endof the month and your your
response to them is Trump,they're gonna go, what are you
talking about?
All the prices skyrocketed underBiden.
What, like, how are we doingthis?
What's the actual plan?
And believe me, plenty of peopleare frustrated now with Trump,
too.
I said, we've said the realissue with him is gonna be the

(37:52):
economy.

SPEAKER_07 (37:52):
Right, he's gotta fix the economy.

SPEAKER_05 (37:53):
He's gotta fix the economy, he's gotta fix prices,
you gotta start to adjust tothose things.
Interest rates have to comedown, all those things.
But on the other side, theresponse is well, just Trump,
just Trump, just Trump.
Doesn't work.
It doesn't work.

SPEAKER_07 (38:06):
And it's like it's unbelievable.
I mean, you wake up today,there's guess what?
There's not a king in placeagain.
Like there hasn't been a kingoverlording uh our country in a
couple hundred years.
So it's just I I don't actuallyget the it just feels very
ironic to me that this is whatthey've made their whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 (38:22):
Right.
And in the numbers show thatit's it's rough, right?
So initially it looked like,especially through the betting
markets, Democrats are gonnatake over the House.
And now, not so much.
Here's Harry Enton.

SPEAKER_02 (38:34):
So, you know, if you go back six months ago, you go
back to April, Cape Baldwin,what were we looking at?
Well, we were looking at theDemocrats with a very clear shot
of taking control of the U.S.
House of Representativesaccording to the Calci
prediction market odds.
We saw them at an 83% chance.
But those odds have goneplummeting down.
Now we're talking about just a63% chance, while the GOP's

(38:55):
chances up like a rocket, uplike gold, up from 17% to now a
37% chance.
So we'll look like a prettyclear Democrat, likely
Democratic win in the House comenext year has become much closer
to a toss-up at this point,although still slightly leaning
Democratic.

SPEAKER_05 (39:11):
Okay.
So that shows you these numbersare sliding.
And it doesn't the wholesolution of we're gonna base a
party on being opposition, we'rejust gonna oppose Trump.
Whatever he does, we're gonnaoppose him.
We've talked many times aboutthe fact that when you do that,
you end up on the 20 side of an80-20 issue, right?
None of this works.
And so any political party,they're they're bad at
self-analysis.
Republicans are too.

(39:31):
We've sat in plenty of roomswith angry Republicans who say
ridiculous things, right?
And they insult and they'relike, oh, we need to do, you
know, you just hear stuff andyou go, you gotta be kidding.
Come on.

SPEAKER_08 (39:41):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (39:42):
We've got to assess our weaknesses and start to fix
them if you're in a politicalparty, no matter which party
you're in.
And there are always people,excuse me, there are always
people within your own partythat are willing to do that
analysis.
And the question is, what do youdo to those people?
Do you bring them in and say,you know, you're right?
Or do you try to eliminate themand cull them from the party?

(40:05):
And that's what they're doingright now.

SPEAKER_07 (40:06):
That's right.
Your boy Fetterman, fellow guy,fellow hoodie wearing fellow
hoodie guy, definite Democrat,though.
Let's keep that uh perfectlyclear.

SPEAKER_05 (40:15):
Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 (40:16):
Okay, but let's just listen to what he says.
He's talking about how it's likethe biggest challenge right now
for the Democratic Party, one ofthe biggest challenges, is like
earning the trust of white men,and can they get that can they
get that trust back?
And here's what he had to say.
How do Democrats win back whitemen like yourself?

SPEAKER_00 (40:32):
I don't know.
And and truthfully, I'm notsure.
I'm not sure if that's possible,to be honest.
Uh, I I think that's beenseriously eroding for for a
while.
Um, and and in some cases, andin the conversations I've had, a
lot of people, they don't evenwant to say it publicly, but
they just feel like, you know,the the other side seems like
it's it's like men, uh well,that men's the problem, men are

(40:55):
to blame.
Or their their masculinity istoxic.
Or if you unless you're able toconform to our very strict kinds
of definition of what we thinkis appropriate, uh, well then
hey, I'm just gonna I'm gonnafind an alternative, and they've
they've done that.
Uh that's that's that'sabsolutely true.
Uh and and once we've kind ofturned their back on that

(41:16):
demographic, it's gonna bedifficult to re to rebuild and
replace that with with uh withthose voters because I think
that migration has been ongoinguh phenomenon for for several
years, and that was been infront and center, you know, in
part of the election in in 24.

SPEAKER_05 (41:34):
Okay, well said.
And so that comment goes out byFetterman.
Twenty-four hours later, thisarticle appears in Axios.
Scoop Dems plot FettermanOuster.
Get him out.
Get him out.
Okay, so this is what thearticle says, or at least a
couple details on what thearticle says here.

(41:56):
And it says top Democrats inPennsylvania maneuvering to run
against John Fetterman in the2028 primary contest,
threatening to tear the partyapart in one of the biggest
battleground states in thenation.
Okay, and then you've got somewhy it matters and all this
Democrats uh haven't flipped aGOP Senate seat since Fetterman
did that in 2022.
He's still popular inPennsylvania with Pennsylvania

(42:18):
voters, even as Democrats turnon him over the softened
approach toward President Trump.
I want to take a little issuewith that.
John Fetterman is never gonna bea Republican.
He is not, he's not a moderate.
He's not.
He's a strong liberal.
He is 90% of the time he voteswith the Democrats.
He's just willing to say, wait aminute, you have to get in touch

(42:38):
with these voters.
We need to win.
So if you get him out of yourparty, you're crazy.
You're and he's been a surpriseto me.
Like we thought, I remembergoing back to 2022, we looked at
him, we're like, he shouldn't berunning, and then we saw him
come out, and it was just hedidn't seem like he was well.
Obviously, he's recovered, andyou can hear him there.
He still struggles like fromtime to time a little bit, but
you can tell he's with it, knowswhat's going on.

(42:59):
I I think he's somebody that theDemocrats desperately need.
And if you go and push him asideand try to primary him and get
him out, you're gonna lose thatseat.
Let me let me guarantee youthat.
You're going to lose the seat.
So you either get Fetterman, whovotes with you 90% of the time,
or you get a Republican whovotes with you 0% of the time.
But they're gonna go after him.

SPEAKER_07 (43:20):
Wow.
It's interesting to see what howthat will happen.
Okay, but speaking of anotherrace, we've been following the
New Jersey governor's race.
We kind of, you know, it's akind of a we uh correlation to
our state in some ways, justbecause there's similar things
as far as like how many peoplevote for Trump.
It's a it's a blue state for allintents and purposes.
Very much a blue state.
You have a guy, Chittorelli, whothis is his third attempt to run

(43:41):
for governor.
He's come close a couple oftimes before.
Here, you know, we they're kindof going back and forth, Mark.
It looks like to me a little bitthat, you know, they say, watch,
he's he's climbing, he'sclimbing, maybe not so fast,
maybe the hill is just too highstill to get to.
So here's the latest coming outof that race that we wanted to
share with you guys.

SPEAKER_02 (43:58):
Okay, what does history tell us?
We look at the polling datahere, but I think that there's a
key nugget from history tounderstand why Mikey Sharl
should be favoring this race andwhy it's an uphill climb for
Jack Chitterelli.
You go back and you look at whowas the last Republican to win a
gubernatorial race in the greatstate of New Jersey when there
was a Republican president.
You gotta go all the way back.
You gotta go 40 years back toTom Kane, who of course was

(44:20):
massively popular, was themassively popular incumbent in
order to find the last time thatthere was a Republican-elected
governor of New Jersey whenthere was a Republican
president.
The bottom line is this, Mr.
Berman.
The polling right now favorsMikey Sherrill.
The history favors MikeySherrill.
That doesn't mean Jack Citarellican't win, but it certainly
means at this particular pointthat Mikey Sherrill's in the

(44:41):
driver's seat, and of course,she'll make sure that there's a
gas attendant who fills up hercar in New Jersey because they
cannot fill it up themselves.
Back in 1985, as you know, NewJersey was also a red state.
That is exactly right.
It's a red state, and at thisparticular point it is a blue
state, and one at Jack Citarellihas an uphill climb in order to
win come November.

SPEAKER_05 (45:00):
So we'll see, because you know, New Jersey on
I remember election night fouryears ago, Jackie Chitz, as I
call him.
I mean, unbelievable.
I mean, I thought we had a shot,and it didn't look like he had a
shot going into it.
So we'll see what happens.
New Jersey is definitely slidingright again, but it it is still
very much a blue state, andwe'll see what happens.
We'll see if he can close thatgap here in the next couple of
weeks.

(45:20):
But if you're expecting to gointo election night, uh, you
know, the first Tuesday inNovember and win the
governorship in Virginia and thegovernorship in New Jersey.
Uh if we got if you got one ofthe two, you'd be you'd be
thrilled with that.
Right.
But you're not gonna get both, Idon't think.
And we probably won't geteither.

SPEAKER_07 (45:36):
Okay.
All right.
Well, we'll keep our eyes onthat.
All right, we'll let's get to acouple of you guys' comments
before we wrap it up today.
With this one, first one comesin, and I liked the fact that
this person wrote this because Ican help explain a little bit.
Uh, this comes in from Stretch.
Stretch says two.
Stretch.
Stretch.
He says Thursday, it's 5.15, andI just got the email
notification about your Tuesdayshow.
Seems like a really long delay.
I view every episode and wouldlike to be more current.

(45:56):
Does production editing reallytake that long?
Okay, so to answer thatquestion, our show comes out on
Wednesdays, not on Tuesdays.
I think we record sometimes onTuesdays, but we don't ever drop
it on a Wednesday untilWednesday.
We try to record on Wednesdays.
The only time we wouldn't dothat is if there's like a like
we can't be here or something tothat degree.
But we record on Wednesday, wedrop it usually on Wednesday

(46:16):
afternoons, and then uh we sendout an email the following day
on Thursdays.
That's just kind of the the waywe do it.
And then we also drop a show onSunday, usually Sunday late
afternoons, early evening forSundays, and then we put that
email out on Monday.
So that's kind of the plan.
That's how that works.
So no, I don't think you'regetting a really long delayed
email.
But if you want to just go andfind our shows, look for us on
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(46:39):
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Yeah, and go to the our YouTube channel.
You can, they're all listedright there.
And then, of course, our ourshows are listed on our podcast
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They're all listed in order onSpotify.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (46:50):
And if you subscribe on YouTube or on Apple or
Spotify, it automatically goesinto your own feed.
So you should be getting thelatest episodes, regardless of
even if you haven't signed upfor our emails.
Make sure you subscribe and youshould get kicked kicked in.
Okay, this one I put in JackOddfellow.
I just thought it was funny.
This was when we were talkingabout signs.
And uh that, you know, peoplelike we were talking with Darren
White about political signs andall that.

(47:10):
And Jack Odfellow says signsdon't vote.
And uh again, uh, you're in goodcompany with the uh the people
that we used for your campaignthat you know, I kept pushing
for signs, and they were like,signs don't win elections.
So uh Jack uh apparently agreeswith that philosophy.
Uh then we have a couple of wehad a lot of positive remarks
about Darren White, but I justpulled two.
Troy says here, Darren White,vote for common sense change.

(47:32):
And then it says, uh Barbarasays he has my vote, Darren
White.
We need his help and the change.
So thanks you guys for all ofyou that wrote in and took a
little bit of time to tell usyour thoughts on the last couple
of episodes.
We really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_05 (47:42):
Keep those coming.
Okay, all right, we're gonna endwith game day.
Here we go, real quick.
Uh, first off, uh, you know,I've I look, I'm gonna be honest
with you.
I got a little bit of a gamedesert right now.
We we haven't had seen atremendous amount of accident.

SPEAKER_07 (47:54):
Hunting season, guys.
Maybe that's what it is.
Yeah, maybe you're right.

SPEAKER_05 (47:56):
But you can't hunt where we're where we've got
these cameras.

SPEAKER_07 (47:58):
I swear these animals all talk and they know
it's hunting season.

SPEAKER_05 (48:00):
Yeah, they're like we're going to go.
We're gonna go.

SPEAKER_07 (48:02):
And I also think we got a note once that said that
the bears don't hibernate here.
They they leave.
I don't know if that's true ornot, but somebody wrote to me
and said, hey, New Mexico bearsdon't actually hibernate here.
They press out of here.

SPEAKER_05 (48:13):
To where?

SPEAKER_07 (48:14):
I don't, they go to Cancun.
Mexico?
Like, what are you talkingabout?
Are you serious?

SPEAKER_05 (48:18):
Well, where do where would they go?

SPEAKER_07 (48:20):
I you know, I don't I don't hunt bears.
You see the size of these bears.

SPEAKER_05 (48:24):
How far are they gonna go?
They're not gonna make it fromAngel Fire, they're not gonna
make it to Eagle Nest Lakebefore they're gonna be like,
we're at this is too much.

SPEAKER_07 (48:30):
I don't know.
We need to actually find a bearexpert that can tell us that,
but that was one of the Ithere's no way.
I just think that the hunting isgoing on.
You do hear, I mean, I'm surethey all talk.

SPEAKER_05 (48:39):
Yeah, they talk.

SPEAKER_07 (48:39):
And they have like their little meetings and
they're like, listen, the riflesare out, people.
The rifles are out.

SPEAKER_05 (48:43):
Lay low.
Well, okay, well, uh, the coyotebrothers came into town.
I have not seen uh two coyotestogether on our cameras before.
I've seen one coyote comethrough, but this is two coyotes
together.

SPEAKER_07 (48:55):
So it's glowing eyes, it's like a cartoon right
there at the corner.

SPEAKER_05 (48:58):
No, it definitely is.
And it believe me, I've had someexperience in the mountains with
multiple coyotes, and whenthere's a coyote kill, you hear
it like nothing you've everheard before.
It's it's crazy.
All right, we also got uh Bobcatthat came through, good size
Bobcat.
Uh, he kind of works his way onthrough.
He's good sized fella righthere.
Yeah, with his little bob tail.

SPEAKER_07 (49:16):
He pauses for you.
I mean, he he looks like thesize of a llama when you first
look at that.
I was like, it's just not allama just walking through.

SPEAKER_05 (49:23):
Yeah, that wasn't bad.
Now, this last one, I'm sorry.
You talk about hunting season.

SPEAKER_07 (49:27):
I'll just guy hasn't got the message that it's
hunting season.
He's there posing for you.

SPEAKER_05 (49:32):
He is one of the best looking bucks I've seen up
there in at least six months.
Look at him.

SPEAKER_08 (49:37):
Yeah.
He's a sick.

SPEAKER_05 (49:38):
I mean, and then watch, he'll look right at the
camera, like, Mark, what do youneed?
And I'm like, well, I just wantyou to give me a quick turn to
the camera and we're just gonnaget a quick pose.
Thanks, pal.
And then there it is, and helooks good.
I mean, what a gorgeous.
I mean, I I don't want him toget taken down.
I I'm not a hunter, and I canunderstand I'll eat anything
though.
I'm I'm willing to do it.
And you guys want to send somelike wild game meat?
I'm in.

SPEAKER_07 (49:58):
What is what is the animal that Luke killed again or
hunted?
An oryx.
An oryx?
An oryx?
Oryx?

SPEAKER_05 (50:06):
Oryx, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (50:07):
So our friends Melissa and uh Clint, they're
gonna give you some of thatmeat, by the way.
They want you to show you.
Yeah, is that real?
Yeah, it's true.
It's impressive.
And I've seen the picture.
That's a good picture.
We should have gotten pictures.
Yeah, where's the picture?
We should put it in the middleof the page.
None of us have the picture.

SPEAKER_07 (50:23):
Well, we'll ask permission.
Oh, I have the picture in rightnow.

SPEAKER_05 (50:26):
So the picture comes the picture right here.
Okay, there it is.
Good looking oryx, no doubt.
I I'll take the backstrap, thetenderloin.
Let's do it.

SPEAKER_06 (50:34):
It was a big animal.
Oh, that's huge.
They have so much of the meat.
Oh, they're gonna be eating oryxfor like six years.

SPEAKER_07 (50:43):
She said that she's gonna share it with you.
She's like she's got ground beefand some steaks.
I love it.
And I said, Mark, we'll bethrilled to taste it, and you
can give a little review onthat.

SPEAKER_05 (50:50):
Oh, I will absolutely give a review on
that.
I want to try moose too.
I haven't had moose.

SPEAKER_06 (50:55):
Okay.
Gross.
That sounds gamey.
I think that's gonna be.
I don't think it's good.

SPEAKER_05 (50:59):
Who told you it's good?
Uh a lot a lot of people inAlaska eat it.

SPEAKER_07 (51:03):
Oh, people from Alaska calling you Mark and
saying, hey, the moose up hereare real good, real good, real
tasty.

SPEAKER_05 (51:07):
Oh, dude, it's not a good thing.
Uh, shit, shit, shit.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, no, I think it'sfantastic.

SPEAKER_07 (51:11):
I think that I think that you just if there is an
animal that somebody can hunt,you want to try the meat.

SPEAKER_05 (51:15):
I do.

SPEAKER_07 (51:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (51:16):
Yeah.
I don't want to do bear.
I hear bear's pretty gross.

SPEAKER_06 (51:18):
Oh, pretty greasy.
So it's weird that people eatbears.

SPEAKER_05 (51:21):
Bear?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's kind of weird.
You kind of look at the diet.
I'm kind of into the diet.
So if you, if you like bearswill eat anything, right?

SPEAKER_07 (51:27):
And so I'm kind of like berries and fruits.

SPEAKER_05 (51:31):
Well, yeah, they do, but if you leave trash out, the
bears are like, yeah, let's dothis.
All right.
So you got to look a moose who'slike, hey, I'm gonna eat down of
that.
Yeah, that's a I'm gonna eat theoil.

SPEAKER_07 (51:38):
Come on.
You like shrimp, and shrimp arebottom feeders.
Let's get let's be honest here.
You don't care what an animaleats to eat it.
It just has to taste good toyou, and then you'll eat it.
Come on.
I just blew that theory rightout of the water.
We really did.
All right, thanks you guys somuch for spending your Sunday
with us and part of your weekwith us.
We appreciate it.
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Spotify and Apple, and we willsee you back here on Wednesday.
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