Episode 234: NM Judge DEFIES Supreme Court – Homeless Ruling SPARKS CHAOS

A single claim on a debate stage can snowball fast. We open with a charged Albuquerque mayoral moment, a televised fact-check, and a deeper question about access: when homelessness consumes a city’s attention and budget, who gets to see what’s really happening inside the shelters we fund? From there we trace how a New Mexico judge’s reading of the state constitution could collide with the U.S. Supreme Court’s Grants Pass ruling, reshaping encampment enforcement, due process, and the daily life of residents and businesses—especially where drug use and pedestrian risk already run high.

Zooming out, we follow the incentives behind a grinding federal shutdown. Why would one party press for a clean continuing resolution and the other resist it despite the pressure from unpaid workers? We unpack the polling, the blame game, and why modern presidents lean on executive orders when Congress stalls—creating a cycle where rules swing every few years and cities struggle to plan. We also challenge a viral political ad that blames tariffs for $25 fair food, contrasting it with retailer data showing holiday basket prices returning toward 2019 levels. The real drivers behind sticky grocery inflation aren’t as simple as a slogan.

Along the way, we scrutinize a proposed ICE tracker that could endanger agents amid rising attacks, debate how to balance enforcement with treatment and shelter capacity, and call for basic transparency: public bed counts, performance dashboards, and access with privacy safeguards. It’s a candid tour through local politics, constitutional law, shutdown strategy, and the economics shaping your daily life.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_07 (00:06):
Alright, happy Wednesday, everybody.
Thank you for joining us.
Um my studio, our studio,freezing.
It's freezing cold.

SPEAKER_03 (00:14):
Overstated.

SPEAKER_07 (00:15):
Not overstated guy.
I have so I have Raynauds, asyou know, in my hands and my
feet.
Which means if I get cold, theseguys, they don't work.

SPEAKER_02 (00:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (00:22):
So I'm gonna, what am I gonna be doing?
I'm gonna be like, my friendTerry, she gave me heated gloves
for Christmas last year.
Yeah.
I might have to start wearingthose on site.
Or here's an idea.

SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (00:33):
It's a new one.
Yeah.
It's called put the heat on.

SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
Oh.

SPEAKER_07 (00:36):
I live with a guy that's like, nope, we're not
putting that heat on until likethe first snow or maybe the
second snow or the third snow.
We're fine.
Put a coat on.
That's the guy I live with.

SPEAKER_03 (00:46):
No, because that's how I grew up when I was a kid.
We didn't turn the heat on ever.

SPEAKER_07 (00:49):
Neither did I.

SPEAKER_03 (00:50):
My mom was like, listen, either throw, throw a
log in the wood stove or getover it.

SPEAKER_07 (00:55):
Okay, we don't have a wood stove for starters,
number one.
No, we don't.
I grew up hard scrabble mom,too.
Don't get don't are you reallygonna have a hard scrabble
contest between our mothers?
My mom was like Your mom'sharder scrabble.
Not only did we put wood on thefire, we had to go cut our own
wood to put on the fire.
We've had that conversation.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10):
You grew up in Colorado, which believe me,
Vermont's a lot colder thanColorado.
Let me just say that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15):
Please.
I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16):
Don't oh please me.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17):
Here's the best part.
The best part is we can actuallyafford a little bit of heat.
I'm just saying, I'm not askingto cook it in here.
Can I get it to like 65 in here?
That'd be great.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25):
65?

SPEAKER_07 (01:26):
Six or seven?

SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
Okay, we're just getting it.
Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29):
I had to do it.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30):
Please, please don't.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30):
Please don't.
Okay, real quick, a quick appealto viewers, really fast, a
personal favor I'm asking.
If you happen to have been atour election night party, it was
at the Hotel Albuquerque onNovember 8th, 2022.
That was the governor's race, itwas election night, and you
happen to have recorded any partof Mark's concession speech.
Would you reach out to me atinfo at no doubtabout at

(01:51):
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That's again info at nodoubtabout at podcast.com.
I am working on a little videoproject, and I really would love
to talk to you if you happen tohave any video clips that you
personally took, not news clips.
I'm not looking for those.
I'm looking for individualpeople that were there.
A lot of people had theircameras out that night, and I'm
putting a project together.
So if you were there and youtook any any portion of Mark

(02:13):
speaking that night, pleasereach out to me and let me know.
Okay, thanks so much.
Okay, now tell us what's on theshow today.

SPEAKER_03 (02:18):
Okay, well, we've got an interesting show.
Number one, we're gonna go backto the Albuquerque mayor's
debate for one quick secondbecause one of the candidates
told the other candidate what hesaid wasn't true and that
channel seven should fact-checkit.
And channel seven said, okay, sothey fact-checked it.
One of the candidates iscompletely wrong and was exposed
for that.
So we'll we'll get to what'sgoing on with that.

(02:38):
Number two, in the state of NewMexico, we have part of the
judiciary, and there are, again,there are some great judges in
the state, and there are somewho are devastating to the
state.
We all know this.
We see people get turned out onthe street constantly.
It affects everybody of allstripes.
And what we're seeing right nowis this is all kind of coming
around with the homelessdecision.
And it's gonna be something thatif you're watching outside the

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state of New Mexico, it's worthtalking about too, because it's
likely to affect you, especiallyif you live in a blue state,
which is do people have theright to sleep on the streets?
Do they?
The Supreme Court said, no, theydon't.
And you have someone in thestate of New Mexico who's like,
wait a minute, maybe they do.
And it's a judge.
So we're gonna get into that.
It was in the journal onWednesday, and we'll touch on

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that particular issue as well.
We're also gonna talk about thegovernment shutdown, which is
now reaching epic levels 22days.
And counting.
Yes, we're gonna check in withone Democratic senator who's
putting Americans first, anotherDemocratic senator from this
state who says, wait a minute, Iwant this thing to keep going
for whatever reason.
So we'll get into details onthat.

(03:41):
Excuse me, there is a new ICEhotline out there that is being
set up so that you can knowwhere IC is gonna be nationwide.
Okay.
We're gonna pair that with thefact that are we seeing more
attacks on ice?
Are we seeing more violencetoward ice?
And will this make it worse?
Well, I think you probably knowthe answer, and we'll give it to
you as well.
We're also gonna talk aboutwhat's going on politically, not

(04:03):
only with the shutdown here, butwe're also gonna talk about
what's going on here withpresidents taking the reins away
from Congress and deciding thatthey're going to basically sign
everything through executiveorder.
You're seeing a lot of it withTrump.
Okay, you saw a lot of it withBiden, a ton of it with Obama.
Okay.
And so why are they doing this?
And we actually have the numbersto show why they're doing it in

(04:25):
some cases and why it's probablynot great for the country, no
matter what side you're on, thatyou want more of this to go
through Congress, because thoseare your elected
representatives, and they'regoing to be closer to the people
necessarily than just signingthings on an executive order.
And then there is a candidatefor Senate in Texas who put out
a one-minute ad, which I amloving.

(04:46):
I mean, it is so ridiculous thatwe have to talk about it.
And it is, it's actually comicalwhat this ad is, and it's
ridiculous as well.
And of course, we'll touch onthat.

SPEAKER_07 (04:56):
Okay.
So we're gonna start though,talking a little bit.
I mean, we're going back to thismayor's debate because something
sparked at the mayor's debate uhthat has now led to another
story.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (05:07):
So Alex Ubaez went in, he's he's running to the
left of Tim Keller in theAlbuquerque mayoral.
Actually, like it is very hardto believe, but he's doing it.
And so Ubaez said during thedebate, hey, I got a tour of the
West Side Homeless Shelter,because homelessness in
Albuquerque is a massive issue,as it is for many places across
the country.
It's it's off the charts bad.

(05:28):
And so Ubayas went to do a tour.
He got a tour.
Well, he says that the head ofthat facility was fired for
giving him a tour.
Tim Keller stands up and says,That's not true.
That's not true.
Channel seven, you shouldinvestigate.
So channel seven investigated.
Well, let's check in on thestory that channel seven did on
this investigation, and thenwe'll find out who's telling the

(05:50):
truth and who's not, and whatthe result was.

SPEAKER_05 (05:54):
That shows that you haven't been there and you don't
know that much about it.
You know I've been to the WestSide shelter.
You know because I set it up tothe director.
The director who you fired forletting me take a tour.
She's not the director, and Ididn't find it.
She is now no longer thedirector.
That is correct.

SPEAKER_14 (06:09):
Fact check.
Channel 7 later.
So we are, and we learned thatsomeone was fired for giving you
bias a tour.
Although Keller said he was notinvolved with that.
The person terminated was notthe homeless shelter director.
Instead, she was the seniordirector and oversaw multiple
facilities, including GatewayWest.

SPEAKER_04 (06:28):
The exchange that we had had actually, I think, goes
to really the fundamental issuesof this campaign.
We're talking abouthomelessness.

SPEAKER_14 (06:34):
The shelter is managed by a nonprofit, Shikanos
Portalakhausa, which took overmanagement of it in 2024,
following reports of poorconditions.
They have a contract with thecity, but it's the city that
owns the shelter.

SPEAKER_04 (06:46):
Tim said I'd never been to the West Side shelter.
Which was surprising to me,because I knew that he knew that
I'd been there.

SPEAKER_14 (06:53):
Ubayas said he was asked by a homeless advocate if
he wanted a tour of thefacility.
He said he also knew someone whoworked at the shelter who
supported his campaign.

SPEAKER_04 (07:02):
So after the tour, I learned that the person who
arranged the tour was wasdismissed from the agency who
runs the gateway system.

SPEAKER_14 (07:09):
We obtained this document that was delivered to
the employee.
It's from the nonprofit,informing her that she was being
terminated for providing, quote,an unauthorized tour of their
premises to the mayoralcandidate that she supports
without notifying the leadershipteam.

SPEAKER_04 (07:23):
I think citizens have a right to see how their
public facilities are beingused, their public dollars are
being used.

SPEAKER_14 (07:28):
The document goes on to state that, quote, due to the
seriousness and possibleimplications of this incident
may cause, such as jeopardizingfunding, termination of
employment was warranted.

SPEAKER_03 (07:38):
Hold on, we reached out jeopardizing funding.
What does that mean?
That would mean the city comesback and says, we're pulling
your money because you gave hima tour.

SPEAKER_00 (07:46):
Which is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 (07:47):
This is ridiculous.
So we're not going to go throughthe rest of the story.
I mean, the rest of the storybasically says that, you know,
hey, look, and I want to saythis first off about Ubias.
We we've hit him a few times tosay, you know, what's going on
here?
You know, he needs to run a morefull-throated campaign.
I will say, in his defense, thisis the issue for him.
Like, this is his big issue.
This is really what he caresabout.
Okay.

(08:08):
And to his credit, he he haspushed very hard.
Now, I think his approach wouldlead to an explosion of
homelessness in the city and bedevastating.
Okay.
But he's a true believer whostands up for what he thinks.
And he has every right to get atour.
He has every right.
And I think what happens is youget these ham-fisted politicians

(08:28):
who have been in power for solong, they think that they don't
have to give a tour.
They don't have to do anything.

SPEAKER_07 (08:32):
Well, if you, you know, the rest of the story they
were talking about, the factthat, oh, it was a security
issue or showing, uh, you know,keep protection of the people
that are there and things ofthat nature.
And I'm like, he wasn't going inthere with cameras.
It's one thing if you're like amedia member who wants to go in
and see the facilities, that tome makes more sense.
As somebody who's been on PR fora long time and I would take
requests for filming things ofmy of my clients' brands, there

(08:55):
are certain circumstances whereyou're like, yeah,
unfortunately, you cannot comein here and film this right now.
That makes sense.
But he's just trying to get atour without cameras or filming
people with him.
That makes very little sense tome.

SPEAKER_03 (09:07):
And the fact that Keller stands up and says, Yeah,
let's investigate this, and thenhe's completely wrong.

SPEAKER_07 (09:12):
Yeah, he looks like a tool.

SPEAKER_03 (09:13):
It's crazy, right?
So this election's coming downto the wire.
I think this gets down to thisfact of things are not working
the way they're happening rightnow.
And so when you have mayoralcandidates, no matter where
they're from on the politicalspectrum, and they want to dig
into what's going on to be ableto make comments and talk about
these things, and you're exactlyright, not necessarily filming

(09:34):
in there.
I can understand where thatwould be an issue.
Yeah.
Clearly, I haven't seen a thingthat you buy as has put out a
video in there showing all sortsof things.
Now it could be wrong, maybe hedid, but I don't think he did.
And so I just think this is agreat example when you have
arrogance and leadership, whobasically says, no, you don't
get to look at this.
Well, you know what?
We're all suffering under this,including the people on the

(09:57):
streets.
So, how about we have an opendiscussion about this and a real
exchange of ideas?
And so this was just a reallygood example of what's happening
in this race, where I think thisis going to come down to, as
we've said before, Darren Whiteand Tim Keller in a runoff.
We'll see.
I don't think you're gonna be inthe runoff.
I don't think he's distinguishedhimself enough apart from

(10:17):
Keller.
The whole approach of I'll doKeller better is not a way to
run a campaign.
Yeah, no.
Okay, it just doesn't work.
But but I but I will say I thinkthat he is somebody who
genuinely does care about theissue.
And I think wanted to get moreinformation so he could try to,
in his campaign, address it.
And of course, now you see whathappens in those debates.

(10:38):
So that's one of the interestingthings that can happen in these
debates.
Usually there's not like agotcha line or something that
changes everything, all right?
But there are things that leakout over time that can end up
pushing the electorate a littlebit.
I don't think it's gonna pushmuch in regard to Ubaias
necessarily getting a ton morevotes, but we'll see.
I don't think the solution tohomelessness is making sure that

(10:59):
we, you know, add morehomelessness, because I think
that's what's gonna happen withwhat he's suggesting.

SPEAKER_07 (11:03):
Yeah.
Well, and just to keep a quickreminder early voting is already
happening 10 to 7 at most uhearly voting locations, Monday
through Saturday.
So make sure you get out thereand cast your vote.
And again, we're gonna tell youCourtney Jackson for students
for school board.
We want to make sure we did nothave in her district.
If you lived in her district,yeah, absolutely.
So and Renee Grout and Dan Lewisare up on the ballots as well
for city council, yeah, in theirdistricts.

(11:24):
And of course, we support bothof those guys as well on city
council.
So if you happen to get thoseballots, that's what we would
tell you to vote for, as well asDarren White.
So, okay, let's move on then,because this homelessness issue
is obviously now it's taking ona different legal issue.

SPEAKER_03 (11:40):
Right.
And so this is Wednesday in theAlbuquerque Journal.
Now, the story's a little bitconvoluted here, so I'll try to
explain it the best I can, andthen we're gonna pull some
quotes for you so you can sortof understand what's happening
here.
But it says the New MexicoSupreme Court won't reverse
homeless ruling.
So, what homeless ruling arethey talking about?
Well, there is a judge inAlbuquerque who stood up and

(12:02):
basically said, Look, uh there'sa case in front of him, and he
basically said, I think it'spossible that removing people
from the streets, you know, notallowing people to camp on the
street could be against theEighth Amendment or excuse me,
yeah, the Eighth Amendment tothe Constitution.
Okay?
Cruel and unusual punishment iswhat he's saying.

(12:24):
Okay, so now this is one ofthose issues.
Now, the reason I wanted tobring this issue up is because
this is one of those issues thatI think ends up affecting
everybody.
And it is something when youhave a rogue judge, it can end
up being a huge issue.
We always ask ourselves, who inthe world would turn these
criminals back out on thestreet?
Whoever, I'm not talking aboutthe homelessness thing.

(12:45):
I'm just talking about somebodywho commits a crime and then
they get turned back out on thestreet.
You say, who would possibly dothat?
Well, we have some judges whosupport chaos for whatever
reason.
And so what ended up happeningwas the city of Albuquerque,
heck, Sam Bregman, comes out andsays, wait a minute, we need to
be able to take people off thestreet in conjunction with what

(13:06):
the US Supreme Court said andget them off the street.
They don't have a right to sleepon the street.
And this judge says, Well, uh,they might.
So this judge still has to hearthe case.
He hasn't heard the case yet.
But at this point, he's startingto give indications.
Hey, I I maybe end up end upsaying here that these people do
have a right to sleep on thestreet.
And so that was brought up tothe you to the uh New Mexico

(13:28):
Supreme Court, and and andbasically the city of
Albuquerque says, bounce thisguy's decision.
It's ridiculous.
It's very clear people don'thave a right to sleep on a
sidewalk day in and day out.
And the New Mexico SupremeCourt, again, a very, very far
left court, said, We're nottouching it.
We're gonna leave it.
We're gonna leave it.
So therefore, this case justkeeps on going.

(13:49):
So we'll see.
It's gonna be heard in 2026.
So that's the basic background.
I want to explain that a bitbecause some of these things
that Christy's about to read area little difficult to follow
unless you know the basics onthis.
But but here's here's where wesit here.
So now let's talk the backgroundand what the story is.
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (14:05):
And when we say uh when we say Allison, that is the
judge here.
So that's what we're talkingabout.
It's Judge Joshua Allison.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (14:11):
Joshua Allison is the judge.
That's right.
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (14:13):
So it says the ruling, the ruling that spurred
the city's emergency request tothe Supreme Court was Allison's
decision earlier this year topermit attorneys for the
unhoused to argue at a futuretrial that the city's policy
violates the Eighth Amendment'sprohibition against cruel and
unusual punishment when thehomeless person has no place
else to stay.
The plaintiffs and thousands ofother people exist outdoors with

(14:34):
their belongings on publicproperty in Albuquerque because
they have no means to pay forhousing, and the city of
Albuquerque lacks adequate,sufficient shelter, stated the
plaintiff's response to theSupreme Court.
They go on.
It says, uh, quote, the cityorders people to move from place
to place, threatening to destroytheir life-sustaining
belongings, wheelchairs, tents,blankets, food, water, and

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clothing without a warrant oradequate notice of a pre- or
post-deprivation hearing or anopportunity to reclaim what is
theirs, the response stated.
The city of Albuquerque askedthe Supreme Court to reverse
Judge Allison's ruling, in whichhe denied the city's motion to
dismiss the cruel and unusualpunishment claim from the
lawsuit.
Now the city goes on again andsays, if allowed to stand, the

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district court's decision willleave the city of Albuquerque
and cities and towns throughoutNew Mexico with no means to
prevent the proliferation ofencampments within their
borders.
Because the district court'sopinion is egregiously flawed
and will result in significantand immediate harm, the city
asks this court to exercise itspower to take superintendent

(15:40):
control over this matter.
That's the stit that was thecity's request, by the way.
Bernalillo County DistrictAttorney Sam Bregman's office
filed a response supporting thecity of Albuquerque, as did the
city of Rio Rancho.

SPEAKER_03 (15:52):
So that gives you an idea.
And then just one other littlequote from this that I want you
to read, because this kind ofties things back into what's
going on nationally.

SPEAKER_07 (16:00):
They contended Allison aired last March in
agreeing with the lawyers forthe unhoused that a 2024 U.S.
Supreme Court ruling, which isgrants pass, Oregon versus
Johnson, was flawed inconcluding that local
governments could enforce use ofspace ordinances against the
unhoused without violating theirEighth Amendment's cruel and

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unusual punishment protections.
That ruling was lauded by citiesand other municipalities around
the country.
But Allison found that NewMexico's state constitution
provides for greater protectionagainst cruel and unusual
punishment, claims that wasconsidered by the U.S.
Supreme Court.

SPEAKER_03 (16:37):
Okay.
This is this is what we mean byjudges who step in and so chaos.
I mean, this is a great example.
If this is allowed to gothrough, and and I think
eventually it won't be, okay.

SPEAKER_07 (16:50):
But still, but they're still not gonna this is
not gonna go to court till 2026.

SPEAKER_03 (16:54):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_07 (16:55):
So until now and then, like, what happens?

SPEAKER_03 (16:57):
Well, I think that's that's the real question.
And you're gonna see more andmore issues of these things and
more and more lawsuits.
Like you have groups like theACLU who come in and they
basically their whole goal is tocreate chaos so that people
sleep on the streets.
Look, this is very simple.
You're not helping the unhousedby allowing them to sleep on the
street.
You're not, because thatlifestyle ends one way.

(17:20):
It's a progressive disease thatends in death.
That's how it works.
Okay.
And they don't want help in alot of cases.
But we have to provide themhelp.
We have to give them the helpthat they need and they can't
sleep on the streets.
If you allow them to sleep onthe streets and Judge Allison
gets his way, or it looks likemaybe he's leaning that way,
we'll see.
But if he gets his way, you'regoing to have chaos.

(17:42):
You're going to have chaos andyou're going to have unlivable
streets and you're going to havepeople leave the city in even
higher numbers than we alreadyhave.
It's devastating.
Well, it's absolutelydevastating.

SPEAKER_07 (17:51):
It's so crazy.
Just last night, we were at avolleyball game for our
daughters, and I was talking toone of the fathers who was
trying to get there, and he hadto reroute because he was just
trying to go down first in I-40,where that meets up.
He said that the homelessnesshad taken over the street.
Like they were in the street atthat area where they had to re
had to be rerouted because hecouldn't even get around them.
Like it's this massive takeoverof whatever they want to do,

(18:16):
drugs, have sex.
We talked about that in the lastepisode, defecate, whatever they
feel like doing around otherbusinesses, whether there's
children near those businessesor in those businesses, it
doesn't matter.
So you've got drugparaphernalia, you have condoms,
you have a ton of stuff that'sjust just you have human waste.
It's disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 (18:34):
No, it's you're destroying the you're destroying
the way of life in your city.
The quality of life goes away.
We've watched it deteriorate.
And so when you have judges whowant to keep that going, it
affects everybody.
And that's why it matters.
And that's why accountabilitymatters.
This the New Mexico SupremeCourt, there's it's one party
ruled.
Every single position is is allDemocrats.

(18:54):
Now, you got some people therewho just will not stand up for
simple rule of law.
And it affects everybody.
So that's why this is such adevastating decision when things
like this start to happen andyou wonder, how could this
happen in this city?
How could how could this happenin this state?
Why are so many people who areviolent out on the streets?

(19:16):
Why are there so many people onevery street corner that may not
be violent, but they can't sleepthere?
You can't do that.
You've watched every corner ofAlbuquerque turn into an area
where everyone's begging formoney on every corner.
And it's decisions like thisthat make living in this city
nearly impossible.
And you will, you'll drumeverybody out.
You will, it will work.

(19:37):
I promise.
You'll you'll be successful ingetting everybody out of this
city if you keep doing this.
And again, if we don't step upon both sides of the aisle and
say, we can't have this.

SPEAKER_07 (19:47):
And again, the other thing that drives me crazy about
this whole situation is how muchmoney that the city has actually
already collected and the statehas already collected to help
homelessness.
I share that with the mayor tomake sure that the the homeless
shelters and these the gatewaycenter are well funded.
Right.
And some of those places areempty.
They have empty beds.
I mean, I'm not saying thatthey're always empty, but I have

(20:07):
friends that volunteer at thoselocations and tell come back to
me and say, listen, they haveplenty of beds.
And but that's just not theoption.
That's not where some peoplewant to go.
And so again, it's like, howmuch more money are we going to
funnel at this and not actuallyjust protect the laws and the
citizens that live here and thetaxpayers that are paying for
those facilities?

SPEAKER_03 (20:23):
No, and you have to treat people with respect.
But at the same time, these, youknow, we should create a party.
It's like, you know, the theCSP, the common sense party.
Because it's just, it doesn't,very common sense.
If you allow people to sleep onthe streets, they will.
They don't want the treatment inmany cases.
But you have to get them intotreatment.
You don't have a choice.
It's not that you don't careabout them or that you that they

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don't have value as humanbeings.
They do.
In God's eyes, they're asvaluable as anybody else.
And I believe that too.
But we got to get them to help.
And they can't sleep on thestreet.
It's just the rules.
That's the way the rules go.
Kids can't have candy bars tobreakfast.
It's just the rules.
I'm sorry.
It doesn't make sense.
You can say, oh, a kid wants acandy bar.
Yeah, I'm sure they do.
Okay.
I'm sure they do.
And there are all sorts ofthings I'd like to be able to do

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that I can't do.
It's just the way it is.
And so it doesn't mean you don'tcare.
It means you care abouteverybody that lives in your
city more than you care aboutcreating and sowing chaos.
Because this ends one way.
It does.
It's people on the streets.
We've seen it.
We've seen people, you know, onTrank and Fentanyl and they're
bent over and everything.
Oh, it's terrible.

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Or you watch them die becauseyou don't care.
And that to me is where we'reat.
Because I think this decision,they can say, well, uh, you
know, we we we care about them.
Yeah, sure.
If you care about them, youdon't want them on the street
dead.

SPEAKER_07 (21:42):
Yeah.
Or, I mean, really risking otherpeople's lives that are driving,
like our teenagers that drivethe streets, and these guys jump
out and they walk out in frontof the car.
I mean, just think about that ifthat would happen to an
inexperienced driver and whatmight happen and how that would
impact their life and everybodyelse's life.

SPEAKER_03 (21:57):
We have one of the highest rates of pedestrian
accidents in the country.
I know.
For that exact reason.

SPEAKER_07 (22:03):
Yeah.
And it's like it's we you justhave it's manic.
And I don't know why we don'thave a system that we can just
enforce the laws, put the lawsdown, enforce the laws.
That's why having a mayor whodoesn't just throw back and say,
I'm gonna let it up to be up tothe citizens to decide how
they're gonna handle this.
It's not my job as the mayor,which we recorded and re and
played on our last show.

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So if you miss that, go back andlisten to that those parts of
the debate because they wererich.
But anyway, yeah, I just thinkwe need real change.
Okay, speaking of we need somechange.

SPEAKER_03 (22:31):
Well, actually, let me jump in.
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
The the the change that you'retalking about here is there's
another ice hotline, okay?
And and I want to get to thatand then we're gonna get to the
shutdown.
Okay.
Okay, because I miss stacked theshow.
So that congressman inCalifornia has come out and
said, wait a minute, we have anice hotline nationwide that you

(22:52):
can call.
Okay.
So I want you to just listen toRobert Garcia, he's a Democrat
from California, and and thereason we're bringing this up is
the violence issues that we'reseeing against law enforcement
in this country.
And it's this type of decisionfrom Garcia and his ilk that are
gonna lead that's gonna lead tomore violence.

SPEAKER_11 (23:12):
I shared this with the mayor.
Over the course of the nextcouple of weeks, uh the
oversight committee will belaunching on their website a
master ice tracker where we canwe're we're gonna be essentially
tracking every single instancethat we can verify that the
community will send be able tosend us information on.

SPEAKER_03 (23:30):
So track ice.
Okay.
So I decided to put a fewnumbers together.
So this whole track ice thing.
Let's call them out, let's let'slet's get this going.
We know about the shooting inDallas, killing two migrants
because someone thought theywere shooting into an ice van
and they were gonna kill iceofficers.

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Instead, they killed twoinnocent people, right?
Okay, so here's what's happenedwith attacks on ice over the
past year.
In 2024, there were 10.
Now we're seeing a 400, 500,700-fold increase in what's
happening, a percent increase inwhat's happening with violence
against ice in this sort ofthing is why.

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And we cannot continue to sithere and watch this.
And if you look at the overallnumbers, if you combine them
all, a thousand percent increaseon attacks on ICE officers.
We cannot have leaders step upand say, basically, offering a
permission structure to attacklaw enforcement.
I mean, this sort of thing.

SPEAKER_07 (24:35):
This is the new defund the police to me.
That's what this is.
This is the new defund thepolice campaign.
Like we didn't learn enough forhow painful that situation was,
and we lost officers and sawcrime in in it, you know,
uptick.
That's what this feels like tome.
It's just let's repeat what wejust went through and just make
things unsafe for our federalagents who are trying to just, I

(24:56):
mean, honestly, and I go back tothis.
I said this a couple of episodesago, actually, a few episodes
ago, really good friend that'san FBI agent.
And he honestly doesn't, I'll behonest, I don't think he's some
diehard Trump fan, quitefrankly.
But he said, listen, they gaveus the number one directive as
FBI officers are to get the mostviolent offenders that are here
illegally off of our streets.
And he said, they are some ofthe worst people you could

(25:18):
imagine that you want nowherenear your families or loved
loved ones or your businesses.
And that's what we're trying todo is to get these people out of
the country because they don'tbelong here to start with.
And so he said, if peopleactually knew the people we're
going after, I don't think thatthey would be doing this as much
as they are, you know, fightingagainst it as much as they are.

SPEAKER_03 (25:37):
And this is where the media problem is.
This is where we get to a mediawho would much rather sow
discord between ICE, between theTrump administration, and the
people of this country.
They're just not honest brokers.
And if they were and they reallylooked at these and started
telling these stories, peoplewould realize that.
I understand there are someconcerns out there, but but this
is craziness.

(25:58):
This is just leading to more andmore violence.
And it's gonna, we're gonna getmore shootings, it's gonna
happen again.
It's by the way, every night inPortland, it keeps happening.
You know, you keep seeing teargas, you keep seeing people
battling back and forth.
And again, this is chaos.
And you're exactly right.
It's a super interesting pointfrom the FBI agent because it's
it's really, you know, we werewe went when we went down on the

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border and and we stopped andtalked to a border patrol that
were that were sitting right atthe Juarez port of entry.
And we said, What's going on?
Here goes, you wouldn't believethe people we see coming
through.
You you don't want anything todo with any of them.
Trust and so, you know, this isthis is where we are.
Now we have leaders standing upsaying we're gonna track these
guys so you can go after them.
That's the permission structure.
The permission structure ishere's where they are, go get

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them.
And that is devastating.
So, okay.

SPEAKER_07 (26:46):
I can't even crawl in the mind of these, like this
this guy.
What's he running for, Senate?
Or is he a senator?

SPEAKER_03 (26:51):
No, he's a he's a congressman from California.

SPEAKER_07 (26:53):
Yeah, I don't, I can't even crawl inside his
brain and say, why would youthink this is a great idea?
Yeah.
Like why in the why in the worldwould you think this is a
solution to fix any whateveryour problem is with
immigration?
Like, this isn't it.

SPEAKER_00 (27:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (27:03):
Okay, so what's continuing to go on?
We're setting records here.
22-day government shutdown isnow the second longest in U.S.
history.

SPEAKER_03 (27:09):
Yes, it is indeed.

SPEAKER_07 (27:10):
Uh, the ongoing government shutdown became the
second longest in U.S.
history Wednesday, surpassingthe 1995-96 lapse in federal
funding as it dragged into day22 with no end in sight.
Senate Democrats have blockedRepublican attempts to reopen
the government 11 times sinceOctober 1st, when all but three
members of the caucus votedagainst moving forward with a

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House passed measure to keepfederal departments and agencies
funded at current levels throughNovember 21st.
Now, this is kind ofinteresting.
Jeffries wants to sit down withTrump.
Well, this is what it says here.
House Minority Leader HakeemJeffries and I reached out to
the president today.
And this is from uh Senate, thisis a quote coming from Senate
Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.
He says, House minority leaderHakeem Jeffries and I reached

(27:53):
out to the president today andurged him to sit down and
negotiate with us to resolve thehealth care crisis, address it,
and end the Trump shutdown.
I love that Schumer's callingthis the Trump shutdown when
it's the Schumer shutdown, inall honesty.
I was like, wow, look at that,trying to rebrand it.
Uh he goes on to say, we urgedhim to meet with us and we said

(28:13):
we'll set up an appointment withhim anytime, any place before he
leaves.

SPEAKER_03 (28:18):
Okay, so why is Donald Trump not jumping out in
the middle of this?
He gets in the middle ofeverything, right?
He's in the Middle East, he'strying to solve that, he's
trying to solve the Ukraine war.
He's Trump, you can accuse himof a lot of things, but not
being involved isn't one ofthem.
Right.
Right?
So the question is, why is Trumpnot running to address this
issue?
And Harry Enton, who we have alot of stuff from Harry Enton at

(28:39):
the back half of this show rightnow.
And the reason why is becauseTrump has no incentive to do
that.
Listen to this.

SPEAKER_13 (28:46):
Take a look here.
You know, we speak about DonaldTrump shutdowns, net approval
rating.
We're talking 20 days into it.
In 2018 slash 2019, DonaldTrump's net approval rating was
already falling.
The shutdown was eating into hispopular support.
It was down three points alreadyat this particular point and
would fall considerably more.
It was very much on the decline.
You come over to this side ofthe screen, this shutdown hasn't

(29:09):
eaten into Donald Trump'ssupport at all.
His net approval rating isactually up a point in terms of
in terms of his popular support.
So the bottom line is this thefirst shutdown during Trump's
first term, 2018-2019, washurting Donald Trump.
This one is not hurting him atall.
There's no real reason DonaldTrump might say, at least when
it comes to popular support, Iwant to get out of the shutdown.

SPEAKER_06 (29:30):
What about the question of blame?

SPEAKER_13 (29:31):
Yeah, okay, what about the question of blame?
Okay, you see here, you seeDonald Trump's net approval
rating was down 2018 to 2019.
You talk about 2025 as netapproval rating is up.
It comes down to the blame game,a game I love to play when I was
younger.
Blame Trump for the shutdown agreat deal.
In 2018 slash 2019, 61% morethan three in five Americans
blame Trump a great deal forthat particular shutdown.

(29:53):
You come over to this side ofthe screen, look at this.
So it's more than three and fiveback in twenty eighteen slash
twenty nineteen.
It's less than half a drop ofthirteen points.
Again, it's no real wonder thatDonald Trump at this point
looking at the shutdown says,you know what, it's not actually

(30:13):
harming me politically.
And Lark's a little bit of aOkay.

SPEAKER_03 (30:16):
May not be harming him politically, but Trump does
want to solve the shutdown.
That's why they have a cleanwhat we call CR.
That's why they're willing tospend money at Biden levels to
get the government back.
That's very, very clear.
So you see something.

SPEAKER_07 (30:27):
He just isn't interested in adding more money,
which is what the Democrats areasking for, by the way.
Which is uh I think it's a goodthing.

SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
Well, it's a separate, it's a separate
negotiation, right?

SPEAKER_07 (30:35):
Yeah, it's a it's a completely separate negotiation.
So for them to say, I'm gonnahold the country hostage until
you guys give us even more moneythat we can't afford to spend,
it just seems weird.
It's like a again, it's likejust could you just get back to
work and see if you guys caneven negotiate on the original
budget before you start askingfor even more money?

SPEAKER_03 (30:53):
Well, so that's what Scott Jennings talked about on
CNN, uh, is he says basicallythat the American people are
being used as pawns.

SPEAKER_12 (31:07):
They could easily walk in there tonight, pass the
CR, give us seven weeks, thepresident brings everybody
together.
And my strong belief is thatthey would wind up negotiating
on a number of issues, and theywould come to an agreement.
The president doesn't want tonegotiate under duress.
In the Hill today, a Democratsenator anonymously said none of
us want to vote to open thegovernment because, quote, we'd

(31:27):
face the guillotine.
That's their words from ourbase.

SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
Yeah, that's why look, I think you just made a
very impressive.
Okay.
They would so this is so they'reworried about their re-election.

SPEAKER_07 (31:36):
Is that what you're doing?

SPEAKER_03 (31:37):
No, no, they're worried about their base, right?
They're they're worried abouttheir base coming, yeah, to some
degree re-election, but reallytheir base going crazy saying
you're not doing enough to stopTrump.
And they view shutting down thegovernment is doing that.
Okay, so you've got you've gotpeople that are, you know, right
now not getting paychecks.
Right.
And one of the people constantlyvoting to keep the government

(31:58):
shut down is Martin Heinrich,our senator here in New Mexico.
And remember, just to be clearabout this again, here's here
are the dividing lines.
That what you have fromRepublicans is they have stepped
up and said, listen, we willkeep funding exactly where it's
been.
We're not going to touch it.
We're going to move forward.
Let's get seven weeks in andthen we can renegotiate a
permanent deal, basically.
Okay.

(32:19):
Democrats are saying, no, we'renot doing that.
Now, now they have done thatcountless times, 13 different
times they've supported it andsigned what you call a CR, a
continuing resolution.
That's the continuing funding.
Now remember, in the continuingresolution, this is Biden level
funding.
You've got crazy fundingpriorities in here, by the way.
They that would drive you crazy.

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But Republicans are like, forgetit.
We just want to keep thingsmoving and keep people getting
paid.
So you talk about the pressurethat is on Democrats.
We pulled this from MartinHeinrich, who was on CNN, who
now, what you're going to noticein Wolf Blitzer's question is
it's an incredibly disingenuousquestion.
Wolf Blitzer is incrediblybiased when he asks this.
What he should say is there's acontinuing resolution in front

(33:02):
of the Senate that keeps fundinglevels exactly where they were.
Why will you not support this?
What is the problem withsupporting continuing funding
the government and then hash outthe issues you have in the
meantime?
That's what the question shouldbe.
But he's going to listen to howhe asked the question in the
most biased way possible, in thesoftest landing possible for

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Martin Heinrich, and then you'llhear Heinrich's response.

SPEAKER_08 (33:28):
Some Republican senator have pushed a bill that
would pay government workers whohave not been furloughed as part
of the government shutdown.
Those who have been furloughedwould still be without pay.
Is this something you wouldsupport?

SPEAKER_09 (33:41):
I'm not going to pit some of my government employees
against other governmentemployees.
I think that just gives thepresident more leverage to
really make the situation worseand treat some government
employees with incredibledisdain.
We've already seen a lot ofgovernment employees fired
during the shutdown who didn'tneed to be fired.

(34:01):
Uh, this is an administrationthat's very hostile to
government employees.
I have a lot of those folks inmy state, and I'm not going to
turn my back on any of that.

SPEAKER_03 (34:10):
In fact, you have though, because all those
people, government workers inthis state that are not
collecting a paycheck, aren'tcollecting it because you won't
let them.
It's that simple.
You could absolutely sign on tothe CR and they could get a
paycheck.
But you are putting politics andyour own base ahead of people.
It's that simple.
It's that easy.

SPEAKER_07 (34:31):
Maybe we should take away the paycheck from the
Congress people.

SPEAKER_03 (34:33):
Oh, of course not.
You can't do that.

SPEAKER_07 (34:34):
I mean, heaven for you.

SPEAKER_03 (34:35):
I know.
No, I totally agree.

SPEAKER_07 (34:36):
So they keep it closed.
They're not doing anythingexcept keeping it closed and
getting paid.

SPEAKER_03 (34:41):
Yes.
They're getting paid.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And so now you would say toyourself, okay, are there are is
there anybody that that's doingthis the right way?
And I think there is.
Our guy, John Fetterman.
He's not my guy.
Okay, all right.
He's not your guy.

SPEAKER_07 (34:57):
He's not my guy either, but he's only your guy
in the fact that he wears ahoodie like you.

SPEAKER_03 (35:02):
He wears a hoodie, and he's an honest broker on
this.
So what has he said from thebeginning?
Sign the continuing resolution,give people a paycheck.
That's that's here is how youhandle things when you put the
country before politics.

SPEAKER_00 (35:23):
Does that surprise you?

SPEAKER_15 (35:24):
Yeah, it's it's groundhog day.
You know, and I'm just saying,and it and it's not
entertaining.
It's like now real damage isgonna are now touching the lives
of of regular Americans, and weall lose, and it's embarrassing.

SPEAKER_03 (35:40):
Yeah, I mean, and he's right.
He's exactly right.
It's exactly what you should bedoing as someone who cares about
the people of your state and ofthis country, sign the deal and
then get it going.
But yet we continue to be inthis spot because we have
politicians who who playpolitics before they they're
leaders.
We don't have leaders anymore.
That's the problem.
And I give Fetterman credit forbeing a leader because that's

(36:02):
what he's doing.
He's leading right now.
Guys like Heinrich and Lujan andacross the board here who would
rather shut things down becausethey're afraid of their
political base.
It's just cowardly.
Stand up and fund thegovernment, and then we'll get
things going and get thingsfixed going down the road and
then reach an agreement fromthere.

SPEAKER_07 (36:20):
Well, I think what's interesting is when you actually
look back historically, what isis Congress when they're
actually in session, how arethey doing?
Are they passing those bills?
Are they getting things acrossthe line?
Are they making the real changeand the real difference?
Not really.
Not not so much.

SPEAKER_13 (36:39):
Scholar Billy Preston, nothing from nothing
leaves nothing.
What are we talking about here?
Well, nothing's getting done inCongress, but the truth is if
you look back at Congresses atthis point in a presidency, we
were already dealing with ahistorically unpopular Congress
anyway.
At this point in a presidency,we are only gotten this get this
just 36, just 36 laws actuallysigned, 36 bills signing the

(37:02):
law.
That is the fewest, the fewestat this point in any presidency
dating back since 1953, way lessthan the median of 87.
And so the bottom line isnothing's getting done in
Congress right now, but nothingwas getting done in Congress
right now.
So what difference does it makeanyway, I think, in the minds of
a lot of the American people.

SPEAKER_07 (37:20):
But that's so I mean, honestly, they're not
getting a whole lot done rightnow when they're in session.
So the big concern, I would say,honestly, is getting those
paychecks, getting people paid.
That's why you keep Congressopen.
But it's still also frustratingto watch how much they don't
actually accomplish because ofthe division, right?
They can't seem to come togetheron things and get things, you

(37:42):
know, across the uh across theaisle and signed and and helping
people out, right?
We can't seem to figure thisout.
And so now you take a listen andyou're wondering this kind of
what you were leading to at thebeginning of the show is so what
do presidents do when Congressis not willing to work around
with them?
I think it's this whole thing weto started talking about this a
couple of weeks ago or a coupleof months ago during the uh the

(38:02):
beginning of the election of howmany executive orders get
signed, not only by Trump, butby Biden and by Obama.
So take a listen to this.
This is kind of a a little lookback about this executive order
situation.

SPEAKER_13 (38:17):
Yes, exactly right.
You know, we talk about DonaldTrump, and you say, okay, he
wants to be a consequential,influential president.
Well, if the legislative processis basically freezed up, you
know, on Capitol Hill, you maysay, well, then he can't
actually get legislationthrough.
But that's not how Trump isgoverning in this term.
We've spoken about this over andover and over again.
He's using his pen, he's usingexecutive orders.

(38:38):
Trump executive orders at thispoint in the presidency.
In 2017, it was just 50.
Look at this.
Already 210 executive orderssigned by Donald Trump during
this presidency.
That is the most in a year.
You have to go all the way backsince Franklin Delano Roosevelt
to find a president who signedmore executive orders in a year
than Donald Trump has alreadysigned this time around.

(38:59):
And remember, John Burman, westill have two months to go in
this year, so it wouldn't besurprising to me if he signs
even more.

SPEAKER_03 (39:04):
Yeah, it seems to be saying, Congress, you don't want
to do something about this wholething.
And that is that when you have apresident of the party you
support in the White House,you're like, let him sign away.
Let him sign away.
But you're not gonna like itwhen a president of another
party gets in and does this.
And I and I also understand thatthe thought of Congress passing

(39:26):
less less laws, not necessarilya bad thing, right?
We don't need Congress passing amillion laws all the time.
However, what's happened isCongress has just been removed.
They've just been removed fromthe process.
And the president comes in anddoes these things.
And and again, I think a lot ofwhat Trump is doing, I think has
been good in in many cases.

(39:46):
But it it the price of all ofthis is that the more you take
Congress out of the mix, themore you elect people that once
you elect that president, boy,for that four years, they just
blast ahead.
And I remember the comment fromObama hey, I have a I have a
telephone and a pen.
I can do what I need to do.
I'll I'll do it without you.
And that's what we've seen justget bigger and bigger and

(40:08):
bigger.
And that's what's happeningright now.

SPEAKER_07 (40:10):
Yeah, just this explosion of power, which I I
mean, we were we were shocked athow many um executive orders
Biden did just on day one.
I mean, I remember us coveringthat and talking about that, and
that was really um overwhelming.
And so you're right, I this isobviously not great
representation of the of thepeople when we vote to people
put people in there to go to batfor us and go to bat for what we

(40:31):
want them to talk about and todeal with.
Having a president just signaway things and just say, okay,
because then again, you got fouryears of that, and then if
they're replaced, then whathappens to those executive
orders that you may have liked.

SPEAKER_03 (40:42):
You roll every single one of them back, right?

SPEAKER_07 (40:43):
And so it's just like this ping-pong game that
you go back and forth and you'replaying, and it's not a real
assessment of taking care of theAmerican public long term.

SPEAKER_03 (40:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (40:51):
And so I just think this seems like it's not a great
solution.

SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
Yeah.
Okay, one more check-in uh withHarry Enton on where are the
numbers for what's going on withthe election in 2026.
And for people, I think even inthis state thinking about
running, this is what givespeople pause if you're
Republican.
If you're Republican thinkingabout running in this
environment.

SPEAKER_13 (41:15):
Do you identify as a Democrat or as a Republican?
And traditionally speaking, thisis a metric that has been quite
telling of elections, and we'llget into that a little bit.
Party ID margin Dem versusRepublicans.
Specifically, I'm talking aboutGallup.
Back in quarter one of 2025, itwas a tie.
Look at how much Democrats havegained on this metric, according
to Gallup.
Their latest metric, Democratsare ahead by seven points.

(41:37):
That is a seven-point movementto the left.
I looked at some other polstersas well to see if there was a
similar movement amongQuinipiac.
It was plus one Republican.
And you can see again, movementto the left.
Democrats plus three.
You know, last year going intothe 2024 presidential election,
that was the rare time in whichRepublicans actually held a lead
in Gallup's party ID measure.
That Republican lead is no moreadios amigos eliminated.

(42:00):
Now Democrats ahead by sevenpoints, at least, according to
Gallup.

SPEAKER_03 (42:03):
Okay, so it's one poll, but it does show you could
there be some movement to theleft?
Maybe.
I mean, we just don't totallyknow at this point.
But if you're looking atrunning, this is why it's always
tricky in a midterm with a partythat is in power trying to hold
on to the house, it's alwaystricky.
And so that's why you look atthose numbers and go, you know,
should you be concerned?

(42:24):
Yeah, if you're thinking aboutrunning, you're looking at this
and things continue to slidejust because they happen to do
that usually.
That's one of the things thatreally leads people to say,
gotta take a pause and figureout what to do.
So if you're a Republicancandidate thinking about
running, you see those numbersand you kind of go, uh, although
the trend in New Mexico stilllooks better, it still looks
like it is this the state islikely swinging a little further

(42:45):
to the right, pretty, you know,steadily here with voter
registration.
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (42:50):
Well, voter registration is definitely up.
We're definitely seeing anincrease in in those numbers.

SPEAKER_03 (42:54):
So right, and you're seeing an increase too that that
numbers are or people areleaving the Democratic Party
going into independence as well.
So those are two of the numbersthat are going up.
Republicans are going up some,independents are going up more,
and that's usually what happens.
You see people kind of shift tothe middle and go, wait a
second, I need to reassess.

SPEAKER_07 (43:11):
Right.
Okay.
Well, let's talk about you.
Wanted to pull this ad from thisTexas, this Texas senator.

SPEAKER_03 (43:15):
Oh my gosh, this guy.
Okay, this is James Tallerico.
Okay.
He is a member, I think he wasthe state in the state senate in
in Texas.
Okay.
And everybody was very excitedabout him.
And he decided to put out an ad.
He went to the Texas State Fair,okay?
And he decided to put out an adtalking about prices at the

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Texas State Fair and why theyare going up.
And the hilarity ensues when youjust start to figure out what
he's talking about.
Okay.
He's talking about tariffs, andthen you listen to some of the
products, which he's veryconcerned with, the tariffs are
hitting hard on these products.
And you tell me what the problemwith this ad is.

SPEAKER_01 (44:18):
Life shouldn't just be about scraping by with bills
and groceries.
The state fair is one of thosethings that makes life worth
living.
But this year feels different.
Thanks to tariffs, everythingcosts more.
A lot more.
These deep-fried Oreos cost$14.
They used to cost six.
This funnel cake chickensandwich used to be$9.

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Now it's$15.
These fried alligator bites are$23.
The Big Tech's turkey leg is$25.
Tariffs drive up the price ofingredients, so if small
businesses like these vendorswant to stay in business, they
have to pass that cost along tous.
I don't blame the state fair.
I blame the DC politicians whoare pushing tariffs and raising

(45:01):
the cost of everything.
So when you walk into the votingbooth next November, remember
this$25 turkey leg.

SPEAKER_03 (45:10):
All right, listen, discount better.
I this guy's killing me.
Okay.
Does he even know how tariffswork?
So in other words, are weshipping in those turkey legs
from China?
Is that what's going on?
You have the Chinese turkey leg?

SPEAKER_07 (45:24):
Or the alligators, it must be coming from like, I
don't know where.

SPEAKER_03 (45:27):
Some place really clear.
Oreos, unbelievable.
You can't do it.
I'm with that.
Tariffs are killing Oreos.
You've got to be kidding me.
He either thinks his voters arecomplete morons or he has no
idea what he's talking about.
I mean, it's one thing if he'slike, hey, look, see this phone?
What see this?
See that?
What comes look, I get it.
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (45:46):
But talk about like cars, maybe, or um, I don't
know, some other kind ofsomething that you actually
import that to get a tarifffrom.

SPEAKER_03 (45:55):
Right.
Not food from Texas, which bythe way, the reason all that
food went up is because of theinflation under Biden.
You know, so that's whathappened.
So he goes and does this, andit's just so ham-fisted and
ridiculous.

SPEAKER_07 (46:08):
Well, I mean, we we even hear people talking about
how travel numbers are downbecause of the tariffs.
And I'm like, travel numbers areprobably down because the
economy, because things are moreexpensive.

SPEAKER_03 (46:18):
And we've said from the beginning, this is Trump's
big challenge.
Yeah, he's got to fix that.

SPEAKER_07 (46:31):
Well, I I swear Angel Fire is the best place to
get gas right now.
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (46:34):
If you're in the area, go go fill it.

SPEAKER_07 (46:36):
Yeah, go fill it up in Angel Fire because it's
cheaper than any place I filledup my car in the fire.

SPEAKER_03 (46:39):
I agree, even than Vegas, even in Las Vegas, it's
cheaper.
But so that's some of the stuffwe understand.
Like Trump has to address that.
Interest rates have to comedown.
A lot of things have to be.

SPEAKER_07 (46:48):
You have to stop blaming everything on the
tariffs because it makes peoplesound dumb.
Well, it's stupid.
Like even I told you about I wasin the grocery store line, and
the lady in front of me is like,oh, things are so expensive now
because of those Trump tariffs.
And this was even before theTrump tariffs had even like gone
into action.
Right.
And I was like, um, I I don'tthink the products you're
getting are actually coming fromout of side of our country.

SPEAKER_03 (47:07):
I know it's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 (47:09):
The six things you have on the counter, they're all
from here.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (47:11):
So um, no, they're like, well, it's a cascading
effect.
Oh, give me a break.
Okay.
Give me a break.
All right.
So anyway, I just to nail thispoint home that he's full of
garbage.
Okay.
Yesterday on Good MorningAmerica, the CEO of Walmart came
on.
And this is this, by the way, Idon't know if they did an ad
with GMA.

(47:32):
This sounds like an ad, but it'sactually an interview.

SPEAKER_07 (47:34):
It could be like a sponsor thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (47:35):
It sure, it sure does.
And Lil George was doing theinterview, okay?
He asked him a question, andthen listen to what the CEO of
Walmart says about food pricescoming up for this Thanksgiving.
And I'm pretty sure, let mecarry the one.
Yes, uh, turkey is a big part ofthat.
So the turkey leg that this thatthis Joker was holding up,

(47:56):
right?
That's a huge part of what he'stalking about right here.
Just listen to prices that areheaded our way this
Thanksgiving.
I'm sure because of the tariffs,you're about to see a massive
increase in all of these prices,okay?
I'm sure that's what you'reabout to hear.
Yeah.
The Chinese turkeys on the way.
I mean, here they come.
They say Peking duck, no way,baby.
This is Chinese turkeys.
Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_06 (48:17):
We started putting together this idea of having the
entire basket easy to purchase,easy to assemble back in 2022.
And this year, we will have thebest prices on this basket we've
had since the program started.
We're we're down about 25% fromlast year, down about$14 for the
basket.
Impossible.
Which puts us in a positionwhere this basket is just under

(48:38):
$4 a person when serving 10people.
So we have a great basket thathas a mix of our great brands,
like Butterball Turkeys.
Our turkey prices, George, areall the way back to what they
were in 2019 at 97 cents apound.
So we're really excited aboutthe progress.
I was really impressed when theteam brought me this.
It was better than I expected.
So we're looking forward to agreat holiday season and we want

(49:00):
to help people celebrate any waythey want and do it at a great
Walmart price.

SPEAKER_03 (49:06):
Okay, Beijing turkey is not gonna be what's gonna be
on your table, it turns out.

SPEAKER_07 (49:10):
Thank goodness.

SPEAKER_03 (49:11):
I mean just unbelievable.

SPEAKER_07 (49:12):
Or the alligator that's coming in for what's
another high like what's aGermany?
Do we have like tariffs?
On cars, right?
It's like the car thing.
Yes.
Right.
Yeah.
So they're the alligator legsalso that are being sold at the
state fair from Germany.

SPEAKER_03 (49:25):
From Germany are just brutal.
I mean, it's just brutal.

SPEAKER_07 (49:28):
I I you know, just this is blaming everything on
the tariffs is shows people tome, it shows people that they
don't understand how the tariffsactually work and they are not
understanding like the breakdownand how that actually does end
up helping our economy in thelong run, that food prices and
inflation have somethingcompletely to are very different
than what the the tariffsituation is.

SPEAKER_03 (49:46):
So there's no doubt.
I mean, I I just think it's it'sdisingenuous, it's ridiculous.
It's, you know, but again, thisis what happens when you have
people who who don't actuallyjust tackle real issues in a
real way.

SPEAKER_07 (49:58):
Well, Mark, the thing is, is they know that they
like if they can confuse theissue.
We've talked about this a lot oftimes, right?
If you can muddy the waters, ifyou're in a campaign, you can
muddy the water.
Oh, people are seeing that thatprice is a is very expensive for
that turkey leg at the statefair, right?
And I mean, our own kids went toour state fair and said, we
couldn't afford to get any ofthe food, it was so expensive
this time.
Right.
I mean, that's exactly what Ellacame home and said, right?

(50:18):
Her friends could not buyanything with their$25 in at the
state fair.

SPEAKER_00 (50:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (50:22):
So she said it was so crazy, it was so expensive.
If you have somebody out theresaying this is because it's
Trump's fault, or this isbecause it's X person's fault
that's in Congress right now,it's their fault because they
approved a tariff.
People don't know tariffs, sothey go, oh, well, everything's
so expensive because of thetariffs.
That's all that's happening.

SPEAKER_03 (50:41):
No, and and what we've seen is since everything
increased in 2021, it has notcome back down.

SPEAKER_07 (50:46):
Right.
That's the that's what mostbusiness insiders talk about is
it's very difficult when you puta price point on like milk or
cheese or meat or whatever tosee those to start to come down.
Energy prices are different.
You can act, you see thoseelevate up and down.
Food is very difficult once theyraise it and people still buy
it.
It's hard to get those companiesto lower that pricing.

SPEAKER_03 (51:09):
Because it tends to stick around.
So tough.
Okay.

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