Episode 239: Cannabis King To Meet The GOP Gauntlet. It Won't Go Well!

A cannabis mogul says he’s almost in for New Mexico governor—and we dig into why self-funding and name recognition won’t outrun the GOP primary gauntlet. We break down the three real obstacles every outsider faces: proving you actually live where you run, explaining how you made your money when the base is skeptical, and reconciling a donor history that points across the aisle. It’s a case study in credibility, not cash.

From there, we torch a viral claim that defense contractors script the weather forecast. Using real models and the logic of modern meteorology, we show how predictions come from physics and data, not memos and secret calls. Clear thinking beats clickbait, especially when storms—and emotions—run hot.

Cost of living drives the middle stretch. We push past “the economy is great” soundbites to ask what would actually help: easing energy costs, clearing regulatory logjams, and being honest about tariffs’ timing when prices are already sticky. On housing, we contrast a flashy 50-year mortgage with smarter mobility ideas like portable mortgage rates and curbing bulk buys of single-family homes by institutional investors. Affordability isn’t a slogan; it’s a set of decisions.

We close with Senator John Fetterman’s unusual willingness to cross his party on shutdown tactics and Israel—a risky choice that brought a wave of online venom. Whether you agree with him or not, standing on principle in an election year is rare. That’s the thread tying this episode together: credibility earned in tough rooms, facts over theatrics, and policy that remembers who pays the bills.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_10 (00:12):
Happy um Wednesday.
Happy middle of the week.

SPEAKER_03 (00:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (00:18):
We got we got another pack show.
Um I I always feel like we'regonna have enough to talk about.
Or is this gonna be exciting?

SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (00:26):
It never fails to be exciting.

SPEAKER_03 (00:28):
That's true.

SPEAKER_10 (00:28):
I mean, there is stuff that breaks all the time.
So we're just like, okay, likelet's do this.
Let's get talking about it,right?
So right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (00:35):
And we have kind of a standoff where you and I both
have an issue we want todiscuss.
And so we're gonna do it rightoff the top.
And we had a coin flip.
And I won.
And you won.
So you get to start.

SPEAKER_10 (00:48):
I just I win anyway.
Let's just be honest.
Like usually when I'm like, thisis the lead story.
This is what we should beleading with.

SPEAKER_03 (00:55):
Oh, is that is that how it works?

SPEAKER_10 (00:56):
Yeah.
Like into the to your credit,you do 99% of the hard labor for
this for this show.
Oh no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04):
No, no, no, no.
Not really.
I mean, look, it's look, you putyour uh you put your time in,
sir.

SPEAKER_10 (01:08):
I do, but I just will say that I think you have a
very good producer's mind, but Istill feel like my old news days
comes in and I'm like, I thinkthis one is the the leading
story for today.
Okay.
I think I feel like I have agood, a good point.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22):
In fact, you may be right on this.
I just I I I have a story rightafter this that just infuriated
me.

SPEAKER_10 (01:29):
I understand that.
I just I just think that thisone is a little bit more
interesting to start with.

SPEAKER_06 (01:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_10 (01:35):
Um, for the folks in New Mexico.
Then we're gonna dive intostories that definitely deal
with national news.
So we're gonna be covering a lotof national news, sprinkled in
some local stories as well.
So it's a blend today of bothlocal and national.
And obviously, Mark copied myattire today.
We're both in our fall wear.
So you're you're welcome to.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55):
It's pumpkin top day.

SPEAKER_10 (01:56):
It's okay.
Well, okay.
Uh okay.
You're I'm not wearing pumpkin,just so you know.
Mine's coral.

SPEAKER_03 (02:01):
Oh, okay.
Well, mine's pumpkin.

SPEAKER_10 (02:04):
All right, pumpkin.

SPEAKER_03 (02:05):
Okay.
Okay.
You want to start off.

SPEAKER_10 (02:07):
You know, we do have some comments.
We're gonna get to those alittle bit later in the show.
Thanks for writing this.

SPEAKER_03 (02:10):
By the way, our guy is right off the top here.
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_10 (02:15):
Is I mean, is Milan a real person?
Uh we've met every reporter.
Have you ever met Milan?

SPEAKER_03 (02:20):
I've not.

SPEAKER_10 (02:21):
I'm not sure the guy's real.
Okay.
Because I'm like, I have metevery one of these political
reporters in the state.

SPEAKER_06 (02:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (02:26):
Never met Milan.

SPEAKER_06 (02:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (02:28):
So maybe Milan's at places I'm at and we just don't
meet.
I don't know.
But maybe so.
Anyway, okay, so this just cameout.
I had to, this is my story,right?
So this is it.
And I know that you're not asdialed in on this one as you
are, but you're covered in thisstory.
So that could be why you weremore hesitant to lead with this
one.
But to me, this is a leadingstory.
Okay, go for it.
Okay, so uh this is at the SantaFe, New Mexican.
The headline says Republicangubernatorial field likely will

(02:51):
grow to three.
Duke's on deck, everybody, aftermonths spent analyzing his
prospects.
Cannabis entrepreneur DukeRodriguez said Tuesday he is 95%
certain he will enter theRepublican primary for governor.
Rodriguez's company operates 25cannabis stores in New Mexico.
He told me he is prepared tospend up to 2 million of his
personal wealth on the campaign.

(03:13):
On the campaign, though he mightnot have to take that step.
Quote, I have rejected allcontributions offered so far.
I won't take any money until I'mofficially in the race, he said
in an interview.

SPEAKER_06 (03:23):
That's a good idea.

SPEAKER_10 (03:24):
Yeah, probably so.
Well, well thought out there,Duke.
Rodriguez actually registeredhis run with Duke gubernatorial
campaign with the Secretary ofState more than five months ago.
He would become the thirdRepublican candidate for
governor, Rio Rancho Mayor GregHall, and first year Senate
Senator Steve Lanier of Aztecare the others.
The Republicans' best hopeduring their long drought was

(03:45):
former television meteorologistMargon Ketty.
What?
From a standing start, Ron Kettyin 2020 lost the U.S.
Senate election to Democrat BenRay Lujan.
Ron Ketty nonetheless received16,000 more votes in New Mexico
than Donald Trump.
Make sure people listen to that.
You are one of the onlyRepublicans that outpaced Trump.
I just, I'm sorry, I gotta sayit.

(04:05):
Okay, Ron Ketty has made nonoise about a comeback, but he
would become the Republicanfrontrunner for governor if he
did.
He would crush Unknowns linearand hull.
Rodriguez uh would be a strongercompetitor, would he?
But he can't match theweatherman.
I love that they're stillcalling you a the hey Milan,
he's a meter-all just for cryingout loud.

SPEAKER_03 (04:25):
You are on fire today.

SPEAKER_10 (04:26):
For name identification.
If Ronchetti stays on thesidelines doing his podcast, the
cannabis king moves to the frontrunner status for the
Republicans.
So I don't know.
I found this to be uh, I had somany things to say.
And it's sitting, I'm sittinghere going, what can I actually
say on the podcast that um A,Mark won't kill me for, and B, I

(04:47):
don't, I don't know, I don'tjust shoot off my mouth, which
is what half the time I want todo, but I'm trying to really
temper it down.
I am trying to temper it downpeople.
So I guess a couple of thingscome to mind.
Number one, I think what'sinteresting, I mean, the first
thing I found interesting, thenwe're gonna dive into Duke,
because I'm I'm really the mostinterested in Duke Rodriguez of
this whole story.
Yeah, but I do have to say, Ithought it was interesting that
uh it's talking about how MayorHole might actually run for

(05:10):
mayor again at the same time asthe gubernatorial race.
He's contemplating those.
I'm sure it's because he'sgetting a lot of pressure from
Rio Rancho to do that as well,because he's done such a great
job as a mayor office.

SPEAKER_03 (05:20):
I think he has, yeah.
He really has.

SPEAKER_10 (05:21):
And so there's a lot of you know support there for
him to stay on as mayor.
And so, but to run for bothoffices at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 (05:27):
This is wild.

SPEAKER_10 (05:28):
That's a little interesting because running for
governor is a pretty big deal incase he hasn't gotten that memo.
So anyway, uh, it's a huge timeconstraint, I will say that.
And uh it should take 100%, 150%of your attention.

SPEAKER_03 (05:40):
You think?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (05:41):
Uh just from personal experience.
Anyway, so that was one thingthat kind of stood out to me.
Number two, yeah.
Hey, Milan, who uh someday we'llmeet, maybe.
I don't know.
Uh Daniel, maybe Daniel Chav uhDaniel Shacone can introduce us.
I don't know.
No, should ask Shacone becausewe know Shacon pretty well.
Yeah.
Uh he's a meteorologist.
So at some point, you couldactually address Mark as a
meteorologist, not theweatherman.

SPEAKER_03 (06:01):
I would appreciate being addressed by the.

SPEAKER_10 (06:02):
I mean, Mark doesn't have an ego on that, but it's
just it's still so dumb thatpeople say that.
It just bugs me.
Oh, that's fine.
I know it doesn't bug you, butit bugs me.
Okay.
All right, so let's talk aboutRodriguez a little bit because
number one, I think what standsout to me first and foremost,
I'm like, uh, does Milan knowhow the Republican primary
process works in the state ofNew Mexico?

(06:23):
Do you see what this guy has hasbuilt his entire business on?
He's got 25 cannabis shopscurrently operating in the state
of New Mexico, which means I'msure he is rolling in the cash.
I'm sure he is.
I'm sure he's a very wealthyman.
25 pot shots.
I mean, most uh conservativeRepublicans are not loving that

(06:44):
from the stars, especially thoseprimary voters.
I think that's not great.
There's some other stuff aboutthis guy, but I'm gonna, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna pass this offto you first to see what you
have to say about um old Duke.

SPEAKER_03 (06:56):
Well, I think there's a few things if you're
Duke.
Um, I think number one, I thinkthere are three big impediments
to him.
Uh, for Milan saying he'd be thefront runner, I I don't think
that's true at all.
I think it would not.
As a matter of fact, I I thinkif you know how these things
work, I think he's the frontrunner at all.
And if someone's actually beinghonest with him, and they should
have an honest conversation withhim so he knows what he's

(07:17):
getting himself into.

SPEAKER_10 (07:18):
Okay, Mark, let's play pretend for a second.
Okay, let's yeah.
You're having this seriousconversation with old Duke.
What do you say to Duke?
As somebody who has experiencerunning two statewide races as a
Republican, given the fact, Imean, we you're humble enough to
be like, hey, listen, I lost, Idid everything I could, I ran
two solid campaigns.
I'm not coming in here allegotistical, but you have more
knowledge about what it takes torun for a statewide office as a

(07:41):
Republican in New Mexico than Ithink anybody we've seen that's
run lately.

SPEAKER_03 (07:45):
Right.

SPEAKER_10 (07:45):
Um, so you're having a sit-down with old Duke.
What do you what would you tellhim?

SPEAKER_03 (07:49):
Well, the first thing I'd tell him is uh I think
he has three problems.
Okay.
Number one, and this issomething he's gonna have to
figure out ahead of time,because he's a lot of people
would be putting their faith inhim if he gets in this race,
right?
So number one is do you live inthe state of New Mexico?

SPEAKER_06 (08:04):
That's that's the question number one.

SPEAKER_03 (08:05):
Well, okay, so there's some indication,
obviously, he has a home inScottsdale.
Is that where he lives most ofthe time?
I don't know, but but butbelieve me, Maggie Toulouse
Oliver is not looking to do himany favors.
So if Duke Rodriguez does notreally live in the state of New
Mexico and is running forgovernor, he's going to get
bounced.
Okay, so make sure you figurethat one out.
Because I think that's theeasiest hurdle to clear.

(08:26):
I think that figure that out,make sure it's true.
Don't be so arrogant that you'regonna go running into something,
people are gonna support you,and then all of a sudden you're
gonna bail from the race threeor four months in because it's
figured out that you're bouncedin a courtroom because you
really don't live here.
So if you don't live here, don'trun for governor of New Mexico.
Don't do it.
Okay.
That's simple.
Hopefully, he does live here.

(08:46):
I don't know, Duke.
I've never met him.
Uh his reputation uh precedeshim in some ways, but but I
don't know him.
And and so I don't know.
And I can so we'll we'll getinto how much I don't know him
here in just one second.
And number two, okay, you'reright on the marijuana thing.
The marijuana, I think, in manycases, for many Republican
voters, and I would count myselfin one of these groups, which is

(09:07):
marijuana is not a positiveinfluence on the mental health
of the people of the state ofNew Mexico.
And I think it's not been apositive thing for us.
It is not been a positive.
Okay, I don't I don't view itthat way.
I don't pretend to act like Isupport it.
I don't.
Okay.
Now, it's the law of the land,it is what it is, legislature
passes it, whatever, it's done.
Okay, but it has not made NewMexico a better state,

(09:30):
especially for kids andespecially for our mental
health.

SPEAKER_10 (09:33):
I would argue that any state, by the way, that has
made pot illegal is not made thestate a pot a more positive
experience.
Right, right.
Any place.
I mean, I'm from Colorado, andit's not made it better there
either.
Keep going back to back.

SPEAKER_03 (09:43):
No, no, no, you're right.
And I think there wasn't a lotof planning that went into this,
right?
All of a sudden you had allthese pot, all of a sudden
there's a pot shop everywherearound every corner.
Everywhere.
It's on every corner.
Now that's not Duke's fault, butbut it is an issue for
Republican voters.
Believe me, when you go starttalking about people in data.

SPEAKER_10 (10:00):
How you make your money.

SPEAKER_03 (10:02):
Right.
And we talked about, yeah,right.
And you got 20, would you say25?

SPEAKER_10 (10:05):
25 shops currently in New Mexico.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (10:07):
And I get that he's gotten rich off it.
And God bless him for doing wellfinancially.
No problem with that at all.
It's just that when that is howyou did well financially, you
better realize you're gonna walkinto plenty of rooms, Republican
rooms, with Republican primaryvoters that are gonna say, you
made your fortune on the backsof New Mexicans and hurting New
Mexico.
You will have that to somedegree.
You just have to have an answerfor it and be able to talk it

(10:28):
through.
I'm not saying he can't, butthat's hurdle number two.
But those two hurdles uh pale incomparison to his third problem.
And his third problem is whenyou go look at the money that
Duke Rodriguez has donated topolitical parties in the state
of New Mexico, he has donatedmassive amounts of money to the
other party and not toRepublicans.

(10:49):
The reason I don't know DukeRodriguez never gave me a dime,
never supported me not once.
Now, I don't care if you don'tsupport me, but when you give
max donations to people likeRaul Torres, who sued Donald
Trump, when you're the guy whofunds Raul Torres at the expense
of Donald Trump, if you thinkyou can walk into a Republican
primary and win, you're crazy,brother.

(11:11):
Yeah.
And you need to have someoneactually have a real
conversation with you.
He's given tens of thousands ofdollars to the legislature and
especially people like JavierMartinez, who arguably has made
doing business and life in NewMexico very difficult for
Republicans and low-incomevoters across this state.

(11:32):
And so literally, you go look athis donor list that he gives to
Act Blue, which is the theDemocratic arm uh uh in the
state of New Mexico.
I mean, he's given thousands ofdollars.
Has he given thousands ofdollars to Nella D'Iminici when
she ran for Senate?
Did she give thousands ofdollars to me?
Did she give thousands ofdollars to a vet harrell?

(11:54):
Did he give thousands of dollarsto anybody who's run as a
Republican?
Very few.
So the question is, is he reallya Republican?
Well, yeah, exactly right.
All right.
And so that's my my point.
If someone's actually gonna havean honest conversation with Duke
Rodriguez, they should say tohim, Listen, are you kidding me?
Because you're not smarter thanevery Republican voter in this
state.
Here's the thing aboutRepublican voters in New Mexico

(12:15):
they're honest, they'restraightforward, and they hold
to their convictions.
So if you think you can walk in,I don't care whether you have
two million dollars you're gonnaput in, big deal.
Let me tell you something.
There's somebody else whothought they could go get a ton
of Republican votes, and itdidn't happen.
And let me tell you how it wasjust the mayor's race.
Darren White running againstLouis Sanchez, right?

(12:37):
Well, Louis comes in, thinks hecan get a bunch of Republican
votes.
Guess how many mailers it tookto burn Louis down to 6%?
It took two mailers from DarrenWhite, and that was the end of
Louis.
The minute you found out hevoted to keep Sanctuary Cities
in Albuquerque, he was done.
Okay?
The minute you go out, andwhether it's Greg Hull or Steve

(12:58):
Lanier, if I'm either one ofthose guys, I don't care if Duke
gets in this race because all Igot to raise is about a hundred
grand, and I can burn DukeRodriguez to the ground.

SPEAKER_10 (13:09):
You do have to raise a lot more than that.
You absolutely do, but don'tneed to take Duke out.
No.

SPEAKER_03 (13:13):
Don't kid yourself, though.
Okay.
Greg or Steve or anybody, andGreg and Steve are good, good
guys.
I like them both.
I don't know Duke, and I don'thave anything against Duke,
okay?
But I'm just telling you,Republican voters aren't stupid.
So if you're sitting there inScottsdale and you think I'm
gonna run for governor, I'm justgonna run for governor.
I looked over the numbers andI'm gonna win.

(13:34):
Yeah, that was the other thing Idude.
You're gonna get destroyed.

SPEAKER_10 (13:37):
I kind of clipped it out of the article, but like the
analogy was the whole, thewhole, like, well, we flip every
eight years, we flip parties.
That's like uh, okay, that endeduh quite that ended pre-Trump,
really.

SPEAKER_03 (13:50):
So no, no, what you're not accounting for
There's no swing voters.
No, what you're not accountingfor is the fact that who's in
the White House right now?
It's a Republican who was in aWhite House when we flipped to
Susanna.
It was a Democrat.
We flip away from the party inpower.
That's what we end up doing.
Okay, it happens all the time.

(14:12):
And going doing some you know,cursory, well, I counted out
eight years and I counted outanother eight years, and I'm the
greatest.
Okay, that's not, you know, soagain, now let me say this
though, in defense of him.
And the fact is that if no oneelse gets in the race and you
have Greg Hull who goes and endsup, you know, running, going
back to being mayor, and it'sjust Steve Lanier.

(14:32):
I don't know how Steve's gonnado it.
I like Steve a lot, really gooddude.
So I don't know how that's gonnago.
But if no one else gets in therace looking at what's going on
with the environment, could Dukesneak through?
It's possible.
So my argument is for Duke, yourbiggest challenge is the
primary.
It is not the general election.
You'll have a little bettershot, I think, in the general
election.
But I again, I don't know him.

(14:54):
I don't know what he's like.
Okay, I have no idea.
But honestly, anybody of anyconsequence who has two legs, a
heartbeat, and is an actualRepublican.
And is an actual Republican willdestroy you.
And like you, and you can think,oh, just put more money in.
It won't matter.
Your$2 million won't hold up foranything the minute they see

(15:14):
your donor list.

SPEAKER_10 (15:15):
The minute they see it, it's because then it's like
you're like, well, you'replaying both sides and you're
trying to like Oh, you're aliar.
You're not even playing bothsides because you really, you're
not even supporting Republicans,you're just supporting the
crash.
That's the way that donor looks.
Yeah, that's the way that'sright.
And so it's like, well, at thispoint, what why would I believe?
Because you checked a box atvoter registration and that's
why I'm supposed to believe you.
I don't know.
I just find this to be so off.

(15:37):
Like it's off.
And and and no doubt about this.
There's no doubt about this.
This is not the only people thatwill be in this race.
And so Duke better just actuallyeducate himself a little bit, I
think, on the process.

SPEAKER_03 (15:51):
No, you should just have some honest conversations
with real people who actuallyknow what's going on.
Right.
The problem is that as you getready to run, it's so much
easier to listen to people whotell you how great you are and
to tell you, oh my gosh, you'regonna, you're gonna kill.
I mean, my gosh, it's gonna beincredible.
And then you don't realize, youknow, you don't think to ask the
question because I didn't Iremember thinking not to ask
this question either, which was,and I had really good people

(16:13):
like Alexis Darnell, who sat medown and said, here's the thing
you need to know.
The hardest part's the primaryby far.
Like the general is a piece ofcake compared to the primary
because you don't disagree withnecessarily people the way you
do in the in the general, right?
But the primary, New Mexicovoters, New Mexico Republicans
care and they they do not sufferfools.

(16:35):
And and they they'll put youthrough the ringer.
And if you have the donorhistory he has, he better have
an answer for that.
And maybe he does.
But if he's not asking himself,if he's not going through and
saying, what's going on with mydonor history?
How big a deal is it gonna bethat I gave to Raul Torres, the
guy who has made a living out ofsuing Trump.
I I you start to look at him andgo, Who are you, dude?

(16:58):
Like, what do you, you're not,you're not one of us.
Yeah, and so that's gonna bewhat what he's gonna have to
deal with.
So, so I think you're your youryour point is right.
I think Lanier and Hull, eventhose guys, if I'm those guys,
I'm thinking to myself, I can ifit's me and Duke Rodriguez,
right?
If if it's if I'm Steve Laniersitting in Aztec and I'm going,
if it's me and Duke Rodriguez, Iget a couple of good donors and

(17:19):
I like my chances.
A couple of mailers, an ad onFox News, look out.
It's gonna come down on him likea ton of bricks.
And the minute you start goingout and you start seeing people
and they've seen the ad and theyknow the truth, you can't escape
it.
You get two words out of yourmouth and you're screaming at
the people are screaming at you.

SPEAKER_10 (17:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (17:39):
And so that's just the way it goes.

SPEAKER_10 (17:40):
Yeah.
I'm not, I'm not uh, I don't Idon't think I I don't think
Duke's on deck, Milan, as youopened up your article.
I am gonna say Duke's not ondeck.
Duke is gonna get thrownoverboard real quick.
Well, if he gets if he tries totrust it.

SPEAKER_03 (17:54):
No one else gets it, but there's still a lane for
him.
It may not be crazier thingshave happened.

SPEAKER_10 (17:59):
Crazier things have happened.
I'm going to go ahead and put uhI mean, we what we we you and I,
we always have these littleinside bets, right?
People don't know about ourinside bets.
Sometimes they do, sometimesthey don't.

SPEAKER_06 (18:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_10 (18:10):
This is not all that's going to be in on the
Republican side jumping in onthe governor's race.

SPEAKER_03 (18:14):
Okay, that may be true, but I I'm gonna say, I'll
take that bet.
Oh, no, you won't.

SPEAKER_10 (18:21):
No, you won't.
Oh, please.
No, you won't.
Okay, then I'm just gonna win.
I'm gonna win this bet.

SPEAKER_03 (18:26):
Fine.
You win the bet.

SPEAKER_10 (18:27):
I'm gonna win the bet, people.
Okay, let's move on.
Let's go to your story thatbecause you were already fired
up about that one.
This one to me is interesting,um, but it's also just like kind
of nerdly.

SPEAKER_03 (18:38):
I'm gonna go a little nerdy on you.

SPEAKER_10 (18:39):
Yeah, all right, all right.
Hey, weatherman.

SPEAKER_03 (18:41):
I know the weatherman's about to go nerdy.
Weatherman.

SPEAKER_10 (18:43):
Okay, Milan, he's he's showing up now.

SPEAKER_03 (18:45):
Here it comes, yeah.
Tell Milan, tell Milan to payattention.
All right, so Tucker Carlson hasbeen in a bunch of battles over
the past few weeks because ITucker Carlson's doing, you
know, he interviews Nick Fuentesand doesn't press him hard.
When I've seen Tucker Carlsongrill people before, doesn't do
that.
Remember looking back at TuckerCarlson a few years ago at Fox
News?

(19:05):
His show, in a lot of cases forRepublicans, was like must-see
TV, who's interesting and youdidn't always agree with him,
but you kind of go, okay,where's he going?
And he you felt like he was anhonest broker.
I I don't know where he's at nowbecause I'm not gonna talk the
Fuentes stuff.
Nick Fuentes is a scumbag, andI'm not gonna waste any time
talking about him.
Anybody who platforms NickFuentes and doesn't press him

(19:25):
hard should be embarrassedbecause Nick Fuentes is an awful
human being, period.
So I I'm done, I'm not talkingabout that.
I'm talking about a guest namedDane Wiggington.
Okay.
And Tucker had him on to talkabout spring and contrails and
all that stuff, right?
He has him on to discuss thisissue, okay?
Now, I started listening becauseI'm not a huge look,

(19:48):
meteorologically, I the wholecontrails thing, as I look at
things meteorologically, doesn'twork for me.
There are meteorologicalexplanations, very clear ones
for the most part in what we'redealing with here.
Now, could there be other thingsgoing on that I don't know
about?
It's possible that there are.
But but this issue is as ageneral rule, meteorologically,
it makes complete sense why youstart to see these high cirrus

(20:11):
clouds as a plane goes throughat times.
Now, we can get into some ofthat.
That's not the nerdliness I wantto talk about.
Right.
I want you to look at it.

SPEAKER_10 (20:18):
We'll save that nerdiness for another day.

SPEAKER_03 (20:20):
We'll save it for a different day.
So I want you to listen to thisguy and what he said about
meteorologists with TuckerCarlson.
And Tucker Carlson, from what Isaw and from what I saw in the
unedited version, no pushback onthis.
Okay.
And I just want you to listen towhat this Dane Wigginson says.
And I find this to be the mostuninformed, clueless opinion.

(20:43):
And I want to get to a broaderpoint on this.
It's not the contrails point.
I'm not going to get into thatwhole discussion.
Some of you are seriously intoit, some of you think it's
bonkers.
I get it.
But I want to talk to you aboutbuying into something and buying
into someone who says ridiculousthings.
And when they start to sayridiculous things, you have to
be very careful about believingthe perspective that they're

(21:05):
coming from.
So just listen to this.

SPEAKER_05 (21:08):
Meteorologists know seven days in advance that
Hurricane Harvey was going to gowhere it went and sit there for
three days.
How could they possibly knowthat?
These people are readingscripts, Tucker.
They're literally readingscripts passed down to them by
Raytheon, private defensecontractors, Raytheon and
Lockheed Martin, that are neckdeep in climate engineering,
everything.
Patents, operations, everything.

(21:28):
And they literally supply andprovide the quote forecast,
which is the scheduled weather,to the National Weather Service
and NOAA, our nation'sweatherman.
That passes all the way down.
And local meteorologists simplythey know how long their leash
is.
They're protecting theirpaychecks and pensions.
They tow the line as well, justlike the safe and effective in
the medical community.
Everybody just toes the linebecause they don't want to
disrupt their personal paradigm.

(21:48):
These storms are being steeredand manipulated, period.
That's beyond dispute.

SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
Okay.
This guy is a moron.
I mean, just idiotic.
Okay?
I spent 25 years doing this.
There is no basis for what hesays.
Like we all get together at thisspecial resort in New Hampshire
called the Balsams, and theygive us the forecast.
And then we just repeat it inour little year piece.
It's ludicrous.

(22:13):
You go through, and how did theyknow that a hurricane was gonna
stall out?
Because we literally haveweather models from every major
country in the world that welook at to track hurricanes or
to track storms.
And the weather models aregetting better and better and
better.
Are they perfect?
No.
But most times your local TVmeteorologist or your weather

(22:38):
service meteorologist has adecent feel of what's happening
with the weather.
It's not just a guess.
It is because you have data thatyou look at every single day and
you compare the data.
And this guy going out andsaying that that Raytheon and
Lockfeed Martin determine theforecast, it's ludicrous.
It's a lie and it's stupid.

(23:00):
When I hear this stupidity, itmakes me think back to if you
went on on the other side.
When you listen to people ontalk about climate change and
are like, oh my gosh, thisthunderstorm is one of the worst
I've ever seen.
And you look at it and go, Whatare you talking about?
We have thunderstorms like thisall the time.
These hurricanes, they're morebig, strong hurricanes than

(23:22):
we've ever had.
That's not true.
Right?
It's just not true.
And you start seeingthunderstorms, and you see
flooding, and it's like, we'venever had flooding like this.
Oh, actually, yes, we have.
Right?
And and now we're talking aboutcirrus clouds.
Now we gotta talk aboutRepublicans and cirrus clouds
being like, oh, I got too manycirrus clouds here.
No, no, don't fall for thisgarbage.
This guy's full of crap.

(23:43):
Okay.
And so the fact that he had thetemerity to say that he didn't
understand how in the world thatyou could you could do any
forecast and you would how wouldyou know?
How would they know?
Let me just show you how weknow.
Okay.
And here it is, right here.
I just pulled this.
These are the models, some ofthe models that I look at.

(24:05):
They're right here.
Hold on, I get this guy again.
There he is.
Okay.
Here's some of the models thatwe look at.
The GFS, the one there in thetop left corner, that that's a
that's the US model I look atall the time.
That's a US-based model.
GEFS, see the one over there?
That's an ensemble model,actually, even better.
That's more models kind ofpushed into one that help you
get a better idea.
As we keep on going here, theicon, that's a German model.

(24:27):
We look at that one too.
And you look at the UK Met, seethat there?
That UK Met, that is actually aUK model.
Who knew?
That's why they call it the UKMet.
So as you see all these models,there are literally tons of
them.
There are dozens of them.
Okay.
Some of them are more reliablethan others.
There's no question.
But you take these together.

(24:48):
Seriously, get up.

SPEAKER_10 (24:49):
Okay.
Honestly, not.

SPEAKER_03 (24:50):
Are you still talking about we're not cool?
Just stop.
Are we still talking aboutweather?
Yes, we are.
We are talking about weatherstuff.
So hold on.
So you got all these models,right?
I mean, there are tons of them.
Okay.
These are the models that werely on.
But here we go.
I want to just show yousomething because here is a
model that we're going to lookat.
Okay.
And I want you to just take alook right here.
And and this is at a 500millibar model.
Okay.
All what this is is 18,000 feetin the atmosphere, roughly.

(25:13):
Okay.
And what this shows is see thatbig swirling thing off the coast
of California?
That's a storm that has notarrived yet.
I know it's witchcraft.
It has not arrived to thatlocation yet.
Okay.
But turns out throughwitchcraft, we know that it's
going to come into the WestCoast later this week.
It's true.
We're able to look into thefuture with weather models.

(25:33):
It's crazy.
And then we keep on going, andyou can see that storm is going
to come in up and just kind offall apart and skip through
northern New Mexico.
See that?
It just is going to fall apart.
And if you look up at the top,that's roughly going to be late
Sunday, early Monday.
Okay?
And then guess what's going tohappen?
Through witchcraft, we're goingto find out that there's another
storm.
There it is off the coast ofCalifornia.

(25:54):
And here it comes.
And that's going to come intoNew Mexico.
That happens next Saturday.
Next Saturday?
There's no way to know that.
All right.
Yeah, you're right.
There's some things that couldchange back and forth, but
roughly, I guarantee you, latenext week, we're going to get
another system coming through.
And then what's going to happenthen?
Yeah, we could see anothersystem work its way in our
direction as well.

(26:14):
That one's coming down the westcoast right there.
It's in Southern California.
See it right now, Christy?
It's witchcraft.
Yeah, exactly.
You know that song?
It's like a little Frank Sinatrasong.
Exactly.
Frank or DM, whatever.
The witchcraft is crazy.
How could they possibly know?
This guy is a liar.
Okay.
He's a liar about weatherforecasting, clearly.
I don't know what his deal iswith all the contrails and

(26:35):
everything else.
Okay.
But now, not every model showsthis.
Different models show differentthings at different times.
Okay.
But my point to you on this iswhen you start to listen to
people like this and they tellyou what's happening in the sky,
he has absolutely no knowledgeof what's going on.
But he's making stuff up andhe's saying Raytheon is telling
weather forecasters what to do.
Like some call goes out over thebat phone.

(26:57):
Enough of these guys.
Don't be foolish enough tolisten to people like this.
So just make sure when you'regetting information, get it from
people who know what they'retalking about, or if you're
learning stuff you didn't knowabout, cross-source it.
Now, some people talking aboutstuff going on are going to be
right.
I mean, some people are going totalk about things and you'll be
like, I didn't really think ofit that way.
And then you do more researchand figure out they're right.

(27:19):
But if someone goes and sayssomething ridiculous like
Raytheon is giving you yourweather forecast, he's a liar
and he's stupid.
And you shouldn't take himseriously.
I don't know why Tucker Carlsonnow feels the need to do dumb
things like platform guys likethis.
And then notice what Tuckersaid.
Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 (27:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (27:36):
Doesn't push back.
Right.
He's not like, are you kidding?
Are you talking about thousandsof people involved in some
conspiracy when we this guydidn't take five minutes to
realize how weather forecastingis done?
And so it just bugged me beyondbelief.

SPEAKER_10 (27:50):
I can see that.
I can you've gotten very heatedabout that.
Very neat.

SPEAKER_03 (27:54):
I know.
Okay.
All right.
I'm I'm done with it.
I'll cut the rest of it out.
I cut I cut it short for you.

SPEAKER_10 (27:59):
Wow.
That was short?

SPEAKER_03 (28:00):
That was short.

SPEAKER_10 (28:01):
That was the short version?

SPEAKER_03 (28:02):
It was.
I mean, I don't, I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 (28:04):
If I had somebody to bring me some coffee up here so
I could stay awake during allthe weather chitter chatter.
I mean, I know people out therelove the weather, so I love it.
Send the comments in.
It makes Mark feel good becausehe loves to talk about weather.
He knows that you love to talkabout weather.
He just married somebody whodoesn't like to talk about
weather.

SPEAKER_03 (28:22):
No, but I mean, like, even though, by the way, I
should say, on the 500 millibarchart, that that's that's
atmospheric motion.
So we're not talking about likethat wasn't precipitation.
That was not at the surface.
But but anyway, no, but it'sjust, it's I just please stop.
Okay.
All right, move on to thedebate.

SPEAKER_10 (28:36):
Yes, move on.
Let's go.
Okay, let's do this.
Let's talk about the mayor'srace in Albuquerque.
That gets my blood going.
All right.
Let's just talk, let's bringthat on home a little bit.
All right.
So we had a bit, another debatebetween Darren and Keller on, uh
I believe it was on KOB, right?
Channel four.
Um, and basically what we havelearned from this debate is
Keller and Darren are going tohate each other by the end of

(28:59):
this whole thing.
I mean, that's what we we'rebetting on that too, right?
Yeah.
We're both on that team, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So let's just take a littlesnippet from this debate we
wanted to show you.

SPEAKER_08 (29:09):
Nobody believes that.
You have been doing that foryears, especially as you've
gotten closer to this election.
You went out yesterday and yousaid that crime is down in all
categories.
You just said that crime is downfor the first time in 10 years.

SPEAKER_05 (29:22):
It is.
That's what the question said.

SPEAKER_08 (29:25):
Please.
In 2014, there were 30homicides.
In 2024, there were 106.
How can you sit there and lookat these people and tell them
crime is going down?
Let me assure you, they don'tbelieve it for one second
because they see it and theyfeel it with their own eyes.

SPEAKER_03 (29:45):
Okay, so a couple things you can tell in that
clip.
Number one, Darren has forgottenabout the cameras.

SPEAKER_10 (29:51):
Yeah, okay, because it for him now it's personal.
He's like, I'm going afterKeller at this point.
So he's like, I'm my focus is onthis guy.
It is not on the camera.

SPEAKER_03 (29:59):
But remember.
The the focus is on the camerabecause that's the voter.
I know.
So that's who you're talking to,and that's who you got to
connect with.
And so when things, this thinggot heated, they went back and
forth.
You can't let it get like that.
You remember going forward,Darren's got to be focused on
the voter in the camera, not onTim Keller.

(30:19):
It is a pivot.
Darren one-on-one with thevoter.
When you get fiery and when youget angry and you start turning
and you never look at thecamera, and you're just like,
uh, screw this, and then you'rejust going and giving it the
business.
I mean, you are just that youjust I get it.
You get you get fired up.
Darren has been living this fora year.
He looks at what Keller says andit's galling to him because he

(30:41):
listens to what he says.
Yeah, no, no, no.
I totally get it.

SPEAKER_10 (30:43):
It's frustrating when Keller says one thing and
he gives you that phony likepolitician smile and the fake ha
ha ha ha ha laugh.
I'm just like, oh, please stopdoing that.
Please stop doing that.
Like just talk to the people andstop acting that.
But anyway, okay, well, that waskind of a it they are gonna hate
each other in in about oh threeand a half.

SPEAKER_03 (31:01):
Oh, I think it's oh, believe me that no, no, no.
It's it's it's already on yeah,the bell is told.

SPEAKER_10 (31:06):
Okay, it's already done.
Okay, let's dive into a coupleof quick comments and then we're
going back to some more stories.
But the reason I want to pepperin some comments is because some
of the comments actually have todo with some of the stories
we're getting ready to lay in.
So this first one, though, doesnot.
This one just I was literallywaiting for an appointment and I
was going through some of thecomments, and this one made me
laugh out loud.
So I pulled it.
Uh, this is Pan Panzer Division,something like that.

(31:27):
Uh Christy, can I buy you a newchair?
I don't think that Mark will letyou buy one for yourself.

SPEAKER_03 (31:32):
We run a tight operation here, Panzer.

SPEAKER_10 (31:34):
Okay, we do run a tight operation, duct tape at
all costs.
And honestly, in Mark's defense,I am more strict on the budget
at home than you are.
You're very uh you are like, wedon't need the heat on, so why
would we spend the money onthat?
That's where you get frugal.
On anything to do withfurniture, that comes under my
domain, and I'm pretty frugal onthat.

(31:56):
So honestly, the chairs are myare my fault.

SPEAKER_03 (31:58):
Plus, it's a character thing now.
It's like you guys talk aboutthe chairs all the time.
We're not getting rid of thechairs.
We are talking about redoing thestreet.

SPEAKER_10 (32:04):
Because now listen to this.
Now my ch now my chair doesn'teven go up and down anymore.
So that part's even the lever'sbroken now.
So I'm gonna be like two inchestall in the so I might I might
have to invest in a chair.

SPEAKER_03 (32:15):
No, I get it.

SPEAKER_10 (32:16):
And I think But I love this person just wrote
anything.

SPEAKER_03 (32:18):
No, it we've talked about redoing the studio,
though, because we uh believeme, your your support has been
helpful.
And uh we're thinking about theres the studio.
We'll see.

SPEAKER_10 (32:25):
We'll we'll see.
Okay.
So here's one from Ken.
Ken says Keller wants to place,this is back to the Keller uh
Darren White race, obviously.
Keller wants to place most ofthe security responsibility on
the small business owners.
If you think Keller is going todefend you if you hurt or kill
someone while they're robbing orburglarizing your business, you
better think again.
Keller wants to place a civilliability on the business owners

(32:46):
so the city doesn't have to paythe judgments.
And you see that all overTwitter from business owners,
actually, that are having to dothat.
Okay, loved my soul dog.
Uh, this was uh regarding the webroke down the filibuster in the
last episode, and this is thisone, this comment coming in from
that.
Need to end the filibuster toget any laws passed, I think is
what they meant, laws passed inthe next three years.
Trump and Vance are right.

(33:06):
The leftists are threatening anyremaining moderate senators and
will end it the first chancethey get in order to deliver
results and fix the economy thatBiden destroyed.

SPEAKER_03 (33:16):
Yeah, and that's uh just a quick thing on that.
We're gonna have something on onthe you know, moderate Democrat
senators who could be anendangered species here shortly.

SPEAKER_10 (33:24):
Yeah, very shortly.
Um, and then this last one alsocame in from Love My Soul Dog.
I clipped both of thesecomments, but um, because it
tied into what we were talkingabout here.
Mark, you keep saying Trumpneeds to fix the economy, but I
don't hear you say what he needsto do.
Um, I do think we talk about itquite a bit, but why don't you
go ahead and address thatbecause it ties into some of our
next stories.
And thanks, by the way, forthose of you who did write in.
Yeah, keep those commentscoming.
Please drop us one here on theNo Doubt About It Podcast on the

(33:47):
YouTube channel.
I get those.
If you want to write in, do itto um info at no
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And if you want to sign up foremails, please do that on our
website, no doubt aboutitpodcast.com.
Thanks so much, you guys.

SPEAKER_03 (33:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (33:57):
No, uh so talk about this trump at the economy.

SPEAKER_03 (33:59):
I have a few things.
First of all, a lot of this isfocused, right?
So messaging.
We've talked about the factthat, and we'll we'll get into
this in a second.
Trump can't stand up and say theeconomy is doing great.
I don't know what you're talkingabout.
Biden did that and it didn'twork.
It got him blown out of office.
It'll do the same thing to Trumpand will hurt Republicans in
2026 if people don't feel likeyou understand what they're
going through.

(34:19):
Okay, so it doesn't necessarilymean you need all these sweeping
policies that maybe even aspresident, you can't always
deliver, right?
So there has to be someunderstanding that number one,
you understand the problem.
And then number two, there arethings he can do.
Obviously, you've got to pushdown energy prices.
You do need, if you can, to getlower interest rates as well.
And then you've got to do asmuch to remove impediments and

(34:39):
government regulation aspossible to keep the economy
going here and to keep thingsmoving.
The thing that Trump doesn't getcredit for, and this is part of
the problem, is he passed a billand the big, beautiful bill that
kept tax rates low.
They would have skyrocketed hadthe bill not passed.
And you would have felt that.
You would have felt it huge, butyou can't prove a negative,
right?
Yeah.
So you didn't lose that.

(35:00):
And so therefore, people don'ttotally understand that.
So there's a lot of things Ithink Trump is doing well with,
but at the same time, he's tonedeaf right now, and he better
watch it.
So, one other thing here, justto get Soul Dog and get to his
point a little more deeply aswell.
We did pull a quick clip, andScott Jennings on CNN did a
pretty good job of explainingexactly what this path looks

(35:20):
like as well.
So it's not only my thoughts,but he has some as well, which I
think were pretty wise.
Uh, several things can be true.

SPEAKER_13 (35:26):
A, he did inherit a mess, and anytime you're
messaging on the economy, triedand true, blame your
predecessor.
Obama did it for eight years,and it worked pretty well for
him.
Number, and it in this casewould be true.
Number two, you cannot talkpeople out of their lived
experience.
I mean, Biden learned this thehard way, and that's a true
story.
And though I think Trump doeshave a good story to tell on

(35:47):
getting the tax ratespermanently lowered, and uh, I
think some stimulation of themanufacturing economy through
the tariffs is absolutely true.
Um, people are still feelinglike they're having trouble
keeping their nose above waterwhen it comes to cost of living.
You can't talk people out oftheir lived experience.
But he's only been in office forless than a year.
He's got an economic programthat is not a bunch of simple

(36:08):
quick fixes.
It's a long-term reordering ofthe U.S.
economy, and that's what he hasto sell.
More than anything, I think it'sjust a question of focus.
Do people believe that he isthinking about what they're
dealing with on a daily basis,or is he dealing with the 40
other problems that he is tryingto solve at any given time?
So I think when you're headinginto an election year, you know,
getting a little bit more focuson the domestic stuff,

(36:30):
particularly the economy, asopposed to a lot of the foreign
policy wins that he's had,probably is in order.

SPEAKER_10 (36:37):
Yeah, I think I think that it's exactly right.
It's talking about, you know,obviously Trump trying to fix
the Biden economy in such ashort amount of time is
impossible for anybody.
I don't care who took, if itwasn't Trump, if it had been,
let's say it would have beenJ.D.
Vance that had gotten thenomination and he'd been in
there, he couldn't have fixedit.
Or if it was DeSantis, hecouldn't have fixed it either in
this short amount of time.

(36:57):
However, it is.
It's all about the messagingnow.
It's about looking and talkingabout it and being really
realistic and saying, listen, Iknow it's still tight at home.
I understand it's in, it'sgetting, you know, it's hard,
and there's things that havebeen dropping, like energy
prices.
But let me tell you what we'redoing to keep prices coming
down.
And I think that's really what'sthe missing link is that Trump's

(37:18):
forgetting to come back aroundto that and hit that really hard
back at home and be focusedreally on domestic policies.
He's been so focused on foreignpolicies, which is great and
it's necessary, but he does haveto spend a lot more time, I
think, talking about theeconomy.

SPEAKER_03 (37:33):
Yeah, and because of that, the the numbers are uh
have collapsed to a point thatthat should really alarm the
White House.
So here's Harry entonces on whatnumbers uh should be most
concerning to everybody at 1600Pennsylvania Avenue.

SPEAKER_12 (37:47):
Real problem because take a look here.
Americans on inflation.
Yo, you go back to October of2024.
Who did Americans trust more ininflation?
Kamala Harris or Donald Trump?
They trusted Donald Trump bynine points on average.
You jump over to this side ofthe screen, those same exact
polls have them way, way, wayunderwater.
26 points underwater in his netapproval on inflation.
So it's not that the polls arefake, it's that the American

(38:09):
people have turned against you,Mr.
President.
You've gone from bleeding bynine points in inflation to
being 26 points underwater.
You're doing something verywrong in the minds of the
American public.

SPEAKER_03 (38:18):
I mean, negative 26.
That's a problem.
Um, it is a problem.
There's no date in there.

SPEAKER_10 (38:24):
I was sure I was floored when I saw that number.

SPEAKER_03 (38:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 (38:27):
I mean, that's a pretty significant change in a
short amount of time.
So I think he's got to kind ofkeep that going.

SPEAKER_03 (38:33):
But uh But but the messaging, right?
It which you mentioned, themessaging is a huge issue.
So Trump sits down with LauraIngram and has a very
interesting interview, and Igive Laura Ingram a lot of
credit because this was aninteresting interview she did.
I cannot stand what when youhear people go and and interview
someone of their own politicalparty and they just shine them

(38:55):
up, and it's irritating becauseyou learn nothing, right?
You should be pressing uh theseuh elected officials, no matter
what party you're in, right?
Just get some answers forpeople.
It's important.
And I think, you know, I I don'twatch a ton of Laura Ingram, but
I will tell you, I think she dida really good job in this
interview.
And we have a few differentclips from her where she talks
about this.
So she asked him about theeconomy, and she asked exactly

(39:18):
the way we would have asked it,which is okay, you got a problem
here.
What's the deal?
When when Trump, I think, offmessage says things are great.
She says, Well, people don'tthink they're great.
And so here's what Laura Ingramsaid.

SPEAKER_00 (39:29):
Even with interest rates up, the economy is the
strongest it's ever been.
You know, you asked me, just togo back to the beginning of your
question, you talked aboutpresses with down on energy,
we're down on interest rates.
You know, interest rates aredown despite the Fed.
Now, if the Fed, if we had anormal person that the Fed would
have really low interest rates,and we will soon have that.
We'll have somebody that's avery important thing to do.

SPEAKER_11 (39:48):
And why are people saying they're anxious about the
economy?
Why are they saying that?

SPEAKER_00 (39:51):
I don't know that they are saying I think polls
are fake.
We have the greatest economywe've ever had.
We have uh cl we will have over$20 trillion come into our
economy, and it's largelybecause of my election, but it's
also largely because of tariffs.

SPEAKER_03 (40:06):
Okay, a couple things.
The whole it's fake won't work.
Greatest economy ever won'twork.
Okay?
He definitely had a a strongclaim on the economy in his
first term, there's no doubt.
But right now, strongest economyever will not work.
It's not the same country thathe took over in 2016.
And he isn't at the point thathe was when he ended his
presidency in 2020.

(40:27):
You're talking about goingeverywhere where everything is
more money.
And so for now, and to look atthis and to say things are good,
fake news, you can't do that.
It's terrible messaging and he'sgotta stop.
And I think that the trickypoint for him is that I
understand the point on tryingto do tariffs.
I do get that.
But talking about another issuehere is trying to do tariffs

(40:50):
when prices are already high isa problem.
Because it's not that tariffsalone have shot prices way up.
That didn't turn out to be true.
But it's definitely a situationwhere if we didn't have some of
the tariff pressure, it's it'slikely we could see costs down a
little bit more.
Now, on the other side, we aretaking in quite a bit of income
into the country here.

(41:10):
But this is a difference betweenmaking a smart business decision
for the country, which tariffsmay or may not be, but there's a
real case to be made that it isa smart move in some ways.
But for everybody sitting athome, tariffs aren't a benefit
to them right now.
They're not seeing it.
So this is tricky.
So you've got a uh a short-termproblem with prices, or at least

(41:31):
a near-term problem with prices,and then you've got a reordering
of the economy going forwardwith trying to get tariffs and
more money into the country thatwill bring down the deficit and
the debt and will help us, youknow, going forward.
But those two things don't fittogether very well.
And so Trump needs to understandthat.
And that's why I would say, youknow, getting back to some of
our viewer email, you know, whatcan you do?

(41:53):
Well, it may have been made moresense to wait on the tariffs a
little bit longer till theeconomy started to recover more
and prices came down a littlebit.
So that's some of what I thinkwe're dealing with here.
But his messaging is terribleright now.

SPEAKER_10 (42:04):
Yeah, I would say that you know, the the problem
is it's an easy hook for theopposing side to be like, the
reason things are so costlyright now and the reason food
prices haven't gone down, thereason everything's expensive is
just blaming the tariff plan.
And I think in general, mostAmericans, I'd say in general,
don't understand the tariffplan.
They think of it like a taxthat's coming back on consumers,

(42:26):
and that's not what it is.
But most people don't reallyhave the time to figure out what
the tariff is and what it'sgonna do to you.
So it's an easy get for theother side to say the reason
everything's so expensive isbecause of tariffs, instead of
saying, hey, you know, actuallywe're coming off a really crap
economy under Biden, and he'sonly had so much time to
actually get this back andhaving him directly tell the

(42:47):
camera and tell the viewers, I'mworking on this.
Here's what I'm doing to work onthis at home.
Things that will impact you athome.
And I think that's really whatmatters.
And one thing that I think a lotof people would appreciate is
the fact that we know now a lotof folks can't afford to buy a
home, especially youngerhomebuyers are really those

(43:08):
dreams of owning a home aregetting pushed farther and
farther down the road.
And that's a problem, I think,for Trump when you think about
things like that.

SPEAKER_03 (43:14):
And in fact, right now, the average home buyer is
59 years old.
59 years old, crazy high.
Yeah, and it's a real problemfor people.
And we get it, and that's whathe's got to understand.
Now, now, so so I want to jumpinto this another clip from the
Lori Ingram interview whereTrump is.

SPEAKER_10 (43:33):
And for viewers at home that are people that are
just listening, this is a thisis a realtor magazine cover um
that swapped younger couples forseniors um for the average home
buyer, just to kind of show someof the differences.
So if you're not watching us,that's what this clip is that
must be.
Yeah, sorry, I forgot to dothat.

SPEAKER_03 (43:49):
Everybody listening is like, what is he talking
about?

SPEAKER_10 (43:51):
Yeah, what are they talking about?

SPEAKER_03 (43:52):
Yeah, so that's so that's nuts, right?
So then, so then Laura Ingramasks him, you know, hey, wait a
minute, your own base does notlike the 50-year mortgage.

SPEAKER_10 (44:00):
Yeah, I mean, as somebody that like I, you know,
my mom, uh, a single mom, wholike you think of like your
mortgage, you want to get thatmortgage paid off as quickly as
you possibly can, right?
It's like the whole same reasonthat she never leased a car, she
never rented anything, isbecause in her mind, it was like
no debt, you need to get thingstaken care of.
And maybe, you know, there'sthere's some economic value in

(44:20):
sometimes having debt and youknow, accruing some debt so you
can build on your financialplan.
That makes sense, right?
But when you hear the words a50-year mortgage, my mom is not
here anymore.
But my goodness, my mom wouldbe, my mom would pass out on
that number if she actuallyheard that.
So let's take a listen to whathappened when Laura Ingram
actually called Trump out on thesame.

SPEAKER_11 (44:44):
So a significant MAGA uh backlash, calling it a
giveaway to the banks and simplyprolonging uh the time it would
take for Americans to own a homeoutright.
Is that really a good idea?

SPEAKER_00 (44:56):
It's not even a big deal.
I mean, you know, you go from 40to 50 years, and what it means
is you pay you pay somethingless from 30.
That some people had a 40, andthen that now they have a 50.
All it means is you pay less permonth, you pay it over a longer
period of time.
It's not like a big factor.
It might help a little bit, butthe problem was that Biden did

(45:16):
this, he increased the interestrates, and I have a lousy Fed
person who's gonna be gone in afew months.

SPEAKER_03 (45:22):
Okay, so just a quick couple quick things here.
So, what would the benefits beof this?
You you lose about 15 to 20percent of your monthly payment
would be deferred, basically,okay, if you stretched it out to
50 years, okay?
You'd you uh increaseaffordability maybe nominally
and be easier to qualify.
But the interest paid basicallywould double uh on your on your
mortgage.

(45:42):
So, for example, if you had likea$400,000 home, by the time
you're all said and done, you'dpay something like$750,000 an
hour.
Well, and I'm sorry.
Crazy.
And by the way, slower equitybuildup, right?
You just it would take youforever to start paying
principal on this thing.
And then the supply and priceinflation could become an issue
as well.
But really, the the biggestissue here is paying so much

(46:03):
more in interest.

SPEAKER_10 (46:04):
Well, and also think about okay, think about the
people that really supportTrump, right?
A lot of those folks are DaveRamsey fans, right?
Well, Dave Ramsey's wholethought process is right, is to
get out of debt, right?
To get your house paid offpretty as quickly as you can.
If you can do a 15-year, which alot of people can't do 15 years,
but if you can, you try to dothat, things like things of
those that nature.

(46:25):
So the thought of like, okay,let's just think the average
home buyer, because I've heardalso 49 is another uh is another
age bracket of buying homes, 49,59, all those are kind of coming
in together.
Think about that, Mark.
You're 49 or you're 59 when youare able to buy a house and you
have a 50-year mortgage, you'rea hundred by the time you own
that house.
I mean, that makes me break outinto hives personally.

SPEAKER_03 (46:46):
Well, yeah, no, I agree.
And I think that look, I thinkTrump has to do some things.
And I and I do think one of themcould be this, which is a better
idea to me, which is portablemortgage rates.
In other words, if you're inyour home right now and you have
a pretty good mortgage rate,okay, you could then take that
and go to a different home withthat rate.

SPEAKER_10 (47:04):
I I love that.
We've loved that idea.

SPEAKER_03 (47:06):
That's a great idea.
Now, it you maintain your rate,you'd avoid penalties from the
early payoff, and you getgreater flexibility when moving.
Not a bad idea there.
Now, there our system is not setup for that.
It is not right now.
However, there are countriesthat do it.
I think Canada does it, a coupleother countries do it.
Oh, and so now not that we wantto copy Canada and everything,
but but it but it is somethingto think about, right?

(47:26):
And that is there are some ofthose things we can do.
And also, I don't think bigbuyers, uh big hedge funds,
people like that should bebuying single family homes.
I I don't think we can allowthem to I think it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_10 (47:38):
Yeah, I think if you but they're buying out those
home buyers that are tryingdesperately to go in and buy a
house.
Like then then they find outthey have a deal and they and
then something swoops in, andand the that that's exactly
what's happening.
And some of these big companiesare buying out these single
family homes.

SPEAKER_03 (47:54):
Indeed, they are.
And sorry, I lost my place.
Um, okay, I was hoping you keepgoing.
Uh so uh one more thing on theLaura Ingram.
I want to hit this one morething because I think it's kind
of interesting.
The H1B visas, which are thewhen you bring in people into
the country, certain educationlevels and things like that to
do certain, fill certain jobsthat we need more people to do.
Some of them are programming,computer jobs, a variety of

(48:16):
other highly skilled jobs.
Okay.
Uh there's an interesting backand forth here between Ingram
and Trump on the necessity forthis.
And I can see both sides onthis, and I think it's worth
having this discussion.

SPEAKER_11 (48:30):
Because if you want to raise wages for American
workers, you can't flood thecountry with tens of thousands
or hundreds of thousands offoreign workers.

SPEAKER_00 (48:39):
Well, we have plenty of talented people.
No, you don't.
No, you don't.
We don't have talented peoplenow.
No, you don't have you don'thave certain talents, and you
have to people have to learn.
You can't take people off anunemployment like an
unemployment line and say, I'mgonna put you into a factory,
we're gonna make missiles.

SPEAKER_07 (48:54):
Where do you stand, Mr.
Secretary?
Uh for Brian, for years, 20, 30years, we have offshore
precision manufacturing jobs.
And the president's point hereis we again, we can't snap our
fingers and say, you're gonnalearn how to build ships
overnight.
We want to bring semiconductorindustry back to the U.S.
There are gonna be bigfacilities in Arizona.

(49:17):
So I think the president'svision here is to bring in
overseas workers where thesejobs went.
Who have skills?
Who have the skills, three,five, seven years to train the
U.S.
workers, then they can go home,the U.S.
workers fully take over.

SPEAKER_04 (49:33):
So do you want to do you have the do you want to
understand the concern thatpeople have?
Hey, an American can have thatjob, why you give it to a but an
American can have that job.

SPEAKER_07 (49:42):
So it's specific skills.
Because we haven't built shipsin the U.S.
for years.
We haven't built semiconductors.
So, you know, that this idea ofoverseas partners coming in,
teaching American workers, thenreturning home, that's a home
run.

SPEAKER_03 (49:56):
Okay, it makes some sense, right?
But but it's a tough message forTrump.
And and that clip wenteverywhere because people were
saying, Well, what are youtalking about?
We don't have the people in thiscountry.
And I think we absolutely do,but it does make some sense that
as you reshore things back tothis country, which we knew we
had to do after COVID, right?
We knew that had to happen.
And it's happening now, right?
It's starting somewhat to happennow, although some of it's just

(50:19):
shifting to other countries andnot China, right?
But but still, we are bringingsome of it back.
Some of this can be a painfultransition, and it's not all or
nothing.
It is not, you know, add a bunchof of visa, you know,
possibilities here or don't haveany.
It's gonna be somewhere in themiddle, and Trump's gotta
navigate that.
But there are a lot of peoplewho are pretty upset about that
comment.

SPEAKER_10 (50:39):
Well, I just think in general, too, you look at
Trump, going even back to thatmortgage idea, right?
You go back to the mortgageidea, you go to this idea, you
can see that Trump, I mean, thisis speaking the obvious, but
that Trump is like thebusinessman.
Like he really is a businessguy.
This is why his how his brainthinks.
And so a 50-year mortgage, likethis is a guy that you build
wealth sometimes by having debt,right?

(51:00):
That that would be his argumentis if we if you can afford more
now and you have to carry debt alittle longer, but it doesn't
sink your ship, then you shoulddo it.
I think that that's his logicbehind that 50-year mortgage,
even though it makes my heartrate go up, right?
He's looking at this and he'ssaying, listen, our our country
is not capable of building allthe of having all these jobs
just based in America right nowwithout the help of people

(51:22):
who've been doing this industry.
So let's bring these folks in,help them train up.
So you just see his mind, and tome, it's all about the business.
It's all about how do you helooks at America like running a
business.
And for better or for worse,some people don't understand
that.
Like sometimes me.
Sometimes I'm like, whoa, whoa,whoa, this seems kind of weird.
But but he's a good businessman.

SPEAKER_03 (51:41):
So it's and I think Scott Bessant did a good job
following up his commentssaying, hey, here's kind of what
we're thinking.
So again, that ends up somewherein the middle.
I know politics is much morealigned for black and white, and
never will the two shall meet,but this is a gray area issue
where you do need some workers,there's no doubt.
And and so I think they'retrying to navigate that.
I I want to end with talkingabout John Fetterman in

(52:03):
Pennsylvania.
Because we we've said some nicethings about Fed.
You've been a little more, youknow, restrained.

SPEAKER_10 (52:10):
I'm not restrained.
I just think, you know,Fetterman is an interesting
character because I neverthought in a million years we'd
be saying, like, well, he's theDemocratic uh senator that has
the most common sense.
But I mean, who knew that that'swhat we were gonna have to say?

SPEAKER_03 (52:22):
Well, no, no, no.
There's no doubt we're there.
I I I'm going somewhere else.
I'm saying he could well be themost honorable senator in the
U.S.
Senate right now.
The reason I say that is becausehe's standing up against his
party to say, wait a minute,this is nuts.
And I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_06 (52:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (52:40):
And think about how many people on both sides you
sit there and go, are they gonnastand up for what's right?
And and believe me, there areplenty of Republicans who do it
too.
But but you know, you see thisgovernment shutdown and they all
line up and just keep peoplefrom getting paychecks.
You're like, what are you doing?
Right.
And you know they know theyshouldn't be doing this, but
they're doing it anyway.

(53:01):
They're using people as a pawn,and it's infuriating.
Well, I would argue that JohnFetterman right now is standing
up for morality and what hetruly believes, which I think is
a lot harder than people givehim credit for.
So I want to go with twodifferent sound bites from him,
but here is the first one, andjust to kind of listen to where
he's kind of evolved to, andthen we're gonna get to some of
the threats that he's facedbecause of it.

(53:23):
So here's John Fetterman.

SPEAKER_14 (53:26):
My heart breaks for what the Jewish communities
suffered, um, especially after10-7.
I've had the honor of meeting,you know, members of the
hostage, the hostages, formerpeople that were kept
underground for 500 days, uh,500 days.
I mean, those are heroes.
I've met with widows, theirhusbands were lost in the Gaza

(53:46):
War, and they have eightchildren, raising eight children
by their own.
That's a hero for for all of it.
Um, so so for me, it'sheartbreaking.
And and that's been what's sodifficult for me is is like
being devotion to Israelbecoming increasingly
incompatible with being a proudDemocrat now, too.
And that's put me at odds.

(54:07):
Um, and the things that put meat odds have all converged at
the same time.
You know, the Gaza war, thepeace deal, and then we move
right into a shutdown.
You know, like now Democratsmight not be allowed to hold
these views.

SPEAKER_03 (54:21):
I mean, I he's right.
I mean, and back to back hestood up on the Israel issue and
on the shutdown issue.
And uh, there are just very fewpeople in Washington who matter,
especially in the Senate,really.
I mean, the House has some moreinteresting eclectic people,
right?
Because that's a much biggerbody and it's much more chaotic.

(54:43):
But the Senate means more thanthe House as far as opinion
makers go.
And John Fettervan, to me, themore I watch him, and you'll see
in this next soundbite, the moreI watch him, uh, the more
inspiring I think the guy is.
Even though I disagree with himon most everything, not Israel,
clearly, we agree, and and onthe shutdown, we agree, but a

(55:03):
lot of other things.
He's he's he's a very much a manof the left, there's no doubt.
But he's also somebody ofprinciple.
And I think that meanssomething.
And I think it's kind ofinspiring when you see where he
came from and how the kind ofshape he was in when he was
running and how difficult thingswere, and then you see where he
is now.
I I have an incredible amount ofrespect for him.

SPEAKER_10 (55:23):
Okay, uh, can we just I don't want you to play
the clip, but can you freeze theclip for me?
I know this is a uh this isalmost childish for me to say
this, but uh, it's because Ihave two teenage daughters, and
this is what they would saybased on that clip.
Can you uh can you just even isit even possible to show that
clip?

SPEAKER_03 (55:37):
I can uh you want to don't play it.

SPEAKER_10 (55:39):
Just just it has nothing to do with what he said.
What is it behind him?
I'm sorry, I'm so distracted bylooking at this AI generated
room.

SPEAKER_03 (55:49):
Oh, sentiments?

SPEAKER_10 (55:50):
I mean, what's happening?
Sentiments?
Just I I don't even know what itis.
It's I is it That's the word onthe wall.
Okay, but if it's an it's an AI.
Is that a bed behind him?
Yes, with an unmade bed.
I mean, that's a messy bedbehind him.
It's AI.
If you're gonna do AI, maybe youshould have like You sure that's
AI?
Yeah, look at the door and lookat the carpet.

SPEAKER_02 (56:07):
It's a hotel door.

SPEAKER_10 (56:07):
Yeah, it's not though.
I don't think that's a realroom.

SPEAKER_02 (56:10):
That's a hotel room.

SPEAKER_10 (56:11):
No way is that a real hotel room.
That look at the carpet guy.
That's AI.

SPEAKER_06 (56:15):
Okay.

SPEAKER_10 (56:15):
And it's a messy room.
Okay, or if it is his hotelroom, why is he doing that in a
hotel room with a messy bed?

SPEAKER_06 (56:21):
Sorry.

SPEAKER_10 (56:22):
I know this has nothing to do with what he said,
but it's a podcast, so this iswhat we do sometimes.
Is I'm like, okay, I'm sorry.
I just I had to bring that up.
No, no, no.
I thought it was sentiment.

SPEAKER_03 (56:30):
The word above him is sentiment.

SPEAKER_10 (56:32):
Yeah, the wallpaper, the I I really believe it's an
AI background because if youlook at the door, it looks like
it's AI generated.
It it's just none of it makesany sense to me.

SPEAKER_03 (56:40):
George, it's the George Hotel.

SPEAKER_10 (56:42):
Yeah, but look at the door.

SPEAKER_03 (56:43):
It says George on it.

SPEAKER_10 (56:45):
Yeah, I just it's probably something maybe they I
don't know.
I could be wrong.
I just think it looks weird andit's distracting.
Okay.
Now I'm distracting from thestory.
So let's move on.
Let's go back to let's talkabout this uh Atlantic journal
constitution poll, uh, becauseit ties into the other clip
about Fetterman that you have.

SPEAKER_03 (57:01):
Yeah, well, yeah.
And if you look at the poll,this is from the HAC, and it was
just a poll in Atlanta, and itdoesn't mean anything in and of
itself, most of the the pollresults.
But it says, What do Democraticvoters care most about?
What is most important to them?
Their number one issue with 20%support is opposing Donald
Trump.
Okay.

(57:22):
So that's so what that tells meis people like John Fetterman
could be an endangered speciesbecause that isn't Fetterman's
number one priority.
His number one priority, and notthat he doesn't oppose Trump, he
very he guaranteed he didn'tvote for the big beautiful bill.
He didn't support any of that.
Right.
So, but he also has not made hisnumber one priority opposing
Trump.
He didn't support shutting downthe government because he didn't

(57:43):
like Trump, right?
Right.
I mean, so so you look at thosenumbers, you say, wow.
Okay.
And then what what he what hegets into, and this is I think
it was, I think it was CNN, iswho he ended up talking to after
the clip we just showed youabout the AI generated
background.
Um, and he had an interestinginterview with Dana Bash.
Okay.

(58:04):
And I want to play that for you.
I'm sorry, I just jumped the gunon it, but I want to I want to
play that for you.
It's a little longer, it's acouple minutes long, but it's
heartbreaking.
It's absolutely heartbreakingwhen you listen to him describe
what it is like to be him.
Just listen to this.

SPEAKER_09 (58:20):
I've drunk deeply of the venom of both the left and
the right.
As a connoisseur, I can confirmthat the most poisonous, the
bitterest, is from the far left.
That is pretty remarkable tohear you say that as an elected
Democrat.
Why?

SPEAKER_14 (58:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
Um, you know, it's been it'sjust been my personal experience
on this thing.
Um and when I I asked my digitalteam, I said, you know, you're
we're on all the platforms.
You know, really, what's what'skind of the harshest, what's
kind of the most personal?
And the answer was immediate.
He said, Oh, blue sky, it's bluesky.

(58:59):
Um and the difference is, Imean, uh, the right would say
really rough things and names.
You know, some names I won'trepeat, I won't repeat on on TV,
but but but the the on the left,it was like they want me to die,
or that we're cheering for yournext stroke, or that's terrible,
that depression one is a whitecoat and a depression one.

(59:20):
Um, and and I hope your kidsfind you.
Uh, and then um they even havelike the graphic gift where they
have like a stroke, you know, inyou know, in your head and
you're cheering it.
Yeah, and and they said that uhI remember one I they claimed,
oh the doctor let us down, andwhy did they have to save his

(59:43):
life?
Um I mean, just really like Ijust can't imagine.
People are are are wishing, youknow, you I wish he dies or I
want him to die, you know,literally cheering for for a
stroke.
Um and I don't know what thekind of a place where that comes
from.
I mean, that's that's much too.
Different than just calling me aname.
Um, you know, that and that'sthat's really been consistent,

(01:00:05):
you know, in that communityonline.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:08):
And so I don't know.
I it just struck me today as Isaw that stuff.
And I think there are very fewpeople who stick to their guns
in this day and age politically,even when they end up at odds
with their party.
And I think those people deserverespect.
And and so I think he justdeserves respect.

SPEAKER_10 (01:00:27):
Yeah, and I think that even when people disagree
with us uh pol you knowpolitically, they're still a
human being.
And it's it's I can't imagine, Imean, I can because you know,
I've we've been called somethings, you know, very much so.
Um, Mark has definitely beencalled a lot of things, but it's
interesting to say he's like, Idon't know where that comes
from.
And to me, the first thing thatcomes to mind is it comes from a

(01:00:47):
godless individual.
It comes to it comes fromsomebody who has no faith in
God.
Because I think at that point,when you can be that cruel
towards a fellow human, um, justfor the the way they they
believe about somethingpolitically, that you can go on
the attack so badly on apersonal level and wish somebody
to be dead or to have anotherstroke.

(01:01:09):
I mean, I just I don't know howyou get there unless you you are
like literally removed from agod-like conscious.
I just, I don't know.
I just think that you lose someof your humanity.
And I I pray for our countrythat we don't lose our humanity.
And I, even on our side, even onthe conservative side, I always
want us, you know, to be in whatwe told the girls.

(01:01:32):
We may not agree with peoplepolitically.
We may have differences.
I have a lot of friends on theother side, and we can go back
and forth on policy all daylong.
But I still love those peopleand I still respect those people
and I want them to, you know,to, you know, still know that
they I've got their back as afriend.
So anyway, okay, Mark's givingme the wrap-up because of course
I've gone on a tangent.

(01:01:52):
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